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True enough. But when I think back to my younger days, the main thing which put me off religion was the church itself. Totally stuck in a rut and incapable of giving me a convincing experience of God or the sacred. Also in complete denial about modern Biblical scholarship and historical knowledge for at least 200years. Anyway, that's looking backwards. Looking at where we are now, I can't see many public institutions which are any help. This is a time of a great testing for us Brits. If the cabal is helping to destroy our now ineffective churches (which they foisted onto us 1500 years ago), there's a window of opportunity for us to seize the chance to create something better before the technocracy takes over.

Mac, I can follow your theory to some extent but get a bit stuck. If the sabbateans running the conspiracy are Zionists but not Jews, then what in a nutshell is their philosophy? It's clear to me that organised religion has been used throughout history to either unify or divide people and countries, depending on the agenda. Christianity in the west has been declining for generations, to some extent that's due to people's desire for freedom of choice not just agitation from conspirators. And now the white churches hardly bother to fight back and have been used as the butt of jokes in so many comedies that they aren't taken seriously, unlike the religions which do stand their ground such as Islam and orthodox Jews. Have you considered the possibility that our western European Christianity is too used to turning the other cheek and isn't up to the job of defending our civilisation against cabals and other threats? Do you think our survival depends on us reforming and returning to some form of Christian church? Or should we look to other ways of anchoring and organising our shared culture? Some versions of the conspiracy say that the introduction of Christianity was itself a plot to bring the territory of the Roman empire and beyond into the Abrahamic system and Noahide law as a form of mind control. If so, then aren't we better off either without it, or at least relegating it to just one religion no better than any other. It's the religion of the monarchy and aristocracy after all.

It's all part of the anti-white agenda. There's a phrase 'black churches' (which has even made it into wiki), which have no problem identifying with one racial group without being demonised. "White churches" would of course be immediately pilloried for racism, and told to actively seek diversification. See also on wiki and mainstream useage: Black power is a political slogan and a name which is given to various associated ideologies which aim to achieve self-determination for black people. White power redirects to: White supremacy or white supremacism is the belief that white people are superior to those of other races and thus should dominate them.

And if something's a big story in the msm it's likely we're being manipulated, and the truth is not what we're being shown.

It's better to ask for forgiveness than for permission.

Good fences make good neighbours. (And good borders make good countries).

When you consider what life was like under the Weimar Republic it's not so surprising they ended up with a populist hard man as leader, plenty of other countries have followed the same pattern. From what I understand it could just as easily have gone the other way with a communist revolution. After losing WW1 Germany was hammered by the other powerful countries so it was action & reaction. It's predictable with hindsight, almost as if there was a conspiracy behind it ...

Thanks for the link EW. I've seen him on GB News and a few other places and like most of what he says. However, this bit caught my eye; at first glance it looks like a simple statement of ethno-nationalism. If your parents' family come from England you're ethnically English, if they come from Jamaica you're ethnically Afro-Caribbean. That's it. Nothing about these countries being multicultural melting pots with lots of citizens who swear allegiance to some other place in their censuses. Your ethnicity is based purely on which nation your parents' family comes from. Ethno-nationalism. But then later on he says: " My issue here isn’t exclusively with the Left, either. There are many on the far-Right – “ethnonats” – who would say I have no business in this debate, as I am not English." So now he's distancing himself from ethno-nationalism and claiming it belongs to the far right. So I'm a bit confused. But it's a complex subject, ethnicity and race are defined in a variety of ways such as genetics, culture, geography, religion. And "comes from" is ambiguous too: does it mean where you live now, where you grew up or were born? If it's your birthplace then his father isn't Afro-Caribbean but Nigerian. I'm on a journey with all this, trying to understand and navigate my way round it. I try to go back to basics and work it out from square one if possible, but it's tricky. Any suggestions for further reading?

I don't understand the issue so I'll leave it. But I would just say that I haven't yet seen a convincing proof that any morality or religion is Absolute. They may be internally consistent, they may even be experienced by the believer as absolute, but as soon as they put it into words it becomes relative. "The common thread with people like Blavatsky is that they wanted "unlimited freedoms" for themselves, which obviously flies in the face of what the Abrahamic religions mandate." Playing devil's advocate for a moment, this is only a problem imo if the unlimited freedom is limited to a few narcissistic individuals like Blavatsky. Which sounds like a contradiction anyway. If everyone has unlimited freedom equally, then it's not a problem because the rest of us will use our freedom collectively to club together and create a justice system which prevents or punishes people like that from breaking our rules. It won't be perfect because most people are a mixture of selfishness and cooperation with which to use their free will. Oh hang on, that sounds rather like the world we live in already!

What was her nationality? The quote above gives three versions: American, Palestinian and Palestinian-American. Possibly a typo but it would make a difference. If she's Palestinian, then the US could claim it's not their jurisdiction to investigate. I can't open the rt.com link, maybe since the Ukraine war it's censored in the UK like their TV station is.

As I recall the Queen asked this very question about the 'credit crunch' recession (more politely of course). I'm not an economist but my understanding is that the international economy is a vortex of money, goods and services, kept spinning by human greed & fear. There's lots of people trying to get rich quick, and afraid of losing their stashes of cash. So when we're in the upcycle (bull market), lots of money gets borrowed and invested in shares & other assets, pushing prices up until they're way above the actual value of the underlying real commodities (shoes or whatever). The greed frenzy overshoots and asset prices keep going up (this stage is when it's all advertised as a good time for growth in the MSM) until a few intelligent investors realise there's a bubble, too much debt and high share prices (look into p/e ratios) and interest rates, so decide to cash in and invest in safer assets like gold. When the regular folks run out of spare cash to invest, the 'bottom falls out' and greed turns to fear. Everyone starts rushing to the exit door, which is shrinking because there's fewer buyers. This is the bear market, and those also overshoot because the victims of the pyramid scheme are depressed and don't want to start investing again when the market's down and cheap. So you're quite right, it's not about real things like regular folks making things and using them in their lives, but more about the effects of unreal money and people trying to get rich on its terms. Remember the dot-com bubble and crash of the late 90s / early 00s, there was a lot of speculative investing happening with share prices rising but not much profit being made by many of those internet startups.

I used to think that British politics is basically run for the benefit of big business and banking, who control the money and jobs of the ordinary people. The right and left both being under the thumbs of globalist business with its need for a plentiful, compliant and materialistic workforce. Both main parties have wings which speak for traditional communities of either white working-class (old Labour) or little England entrepreneurs (Conservative right) who suck in lots of voters but are never allowed to be in charge. The voting system means that smaller parties are kept down so we become cynical and demoralised about politics changing anything, and give up. While there's still some truth in that analysis, it doesn't go far enough to explain the issues you've listed, and others like the climate emergency hoax. I can see there's other agendas and levels of control above business interests in the global pyramid, to explain why we're being moved towards either replacement or enslavement.

Most relativists are well-meaning people trying to respect the diversity we find ourselves in. To some extent it's a good thing, however in excess relativism is corrosive of the cultural foundations which bind us together in a cohesive society. Which is why it's being heavily promoted by the Illuminati. At first it seems attractive because it provides new experiences, perspectives and freedoms; but this is addictive and leads to us losing our roots. Also there's plenty of absolutists outside the Abrahamic religions: I know plenty of atheists who use rationalism as an absolute for example. I'd say it tends to be people who mix belief systems together who need to relativise, to reconcile them.

Wikihow has more spiritual techniques these days: https://www.wikihow.com/Access-Akashic-Records I tried it once but didn't manage it, probably I need more practice; similarly with their instructions for astral projection.

I'm not sure if these are family or Yorkshire sayings but here goes. Where there's a will there's a way, and where there's a will there's a relative. You must think I'm going up on the down train. (When someone's trying to pull the wool over my eyes). Don't spoil the ship for a ha'p'orth of tar. She's not backwards in coming forwards. (She's assertive and confident). Better late than never, better never late. A place for everything and everything in its place.

Also a similar quote is in Tao Te Ching - Lao Tzu - chapter 56 . I wonder if there's a connection or if it's just a coincidence. Those who know do not talk. Those who talk do not know.

This is the point when the agenda goes public, the government, police, justice system, media, sports and even the military have been made 'woke' so they calculated when to start putting the boot in traditional culture without having a mass uprising. @Truthblast The new pseudo-religion has progressed to this stage now, although it's not all down to Mme Blavatsky and Henry Olcott's Theosophical Society. The move to religious pluralism and relativism has many branches. I just saw an interesting version of Theosophy's logo (in wiki) incorporating various symbols from east and west, the serpent surrounding the star of David, but not including the Christian crucifix: There's the Egyptian Ankh at the centre, perhaps a reference to where they thought these other religions came from: Egyptian mystery schools.

I almost feel sorry for the Church. After struggling for so long to try and catch up with feminism, they've had the rug pulled from under their feet with the trans agenda. The church has lost its way, given up on its own beliefs and is in a state of perpetual catch-up with society's trend-setters in its attempt to attract the younger generations back in. "A Nottingham church decided to cancel the screening of a feminist film due to 'its impact upon members of the trans community'. The screening of the Adult Human Female film was due to take place at the Sherwood Methodist Church on Sunday, November 27. But the screening of the film was eventually cancelled after 80 trans activists gathered outside the church on Devon Drive in a 'peaceful protest'. Although the screening had been cancelled, around 60 participants to the event were let inside the church for a talk with the film directors and women featured in the documentary, including writer and activist Julie Bindel who participated via Zoom. Film co-director Michael Wayne, who is a Professor in Media and Film Studies at Brunel University, told Nottinghamshire Live: "None of them [protesters] have seen the film. So they have already called it and persuaded the Minister that the film [was] hateful, even though they have not seen it." https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/nottingham-church-cancels-film-screening-after-backlash-from-trans-activists/ar-AA14F0Qm

What's your advice to keep them away? (Not a problem for me at the moment but asking just in case).

What I meant by a phoney war (perhaps civil war is a better name for it) is illustrated in the first article by the fact that the attack on Christianity is coming from within the heart of the Church establishment. The Church hierarchy is already infiltrated by occultists who are using their techniques of inversion and cognitive dissonance against the ordinary lay congregations, who are so shocked because they didn't know that this corruption has already occurred. Their idea of fighting back is to go to the mainstream newspapers, another stronghold of the same cultists, who gleefully publish the bewildering story to cast their spell wider still onto the public at large. The second story is interesting, not only that the justice system is overrun with social justice warriors, (also pawns of the same cult). But that here it is Christianity which is being attacked on the surface, however looking at the Biblical quotes in the article they are all from the Old Testament and as I recall, the OT doesn't apply as a whole to Christianity, Whereas it does to Judaism, but the effect of the story (ie the spell) is to demoralise Christians instead. The two stories also demonstrate another use of the pincer movement I referred to. The first one is essentially attacking Christians with relativism: it's fair game to use the today's ideology of trans rights to reinterpret ancient Mediaeval artworks on trans terms, rather than looking at history through eyes of those Mediaeval peoples themselves. It's acceptable for the Church to offend its own members in order to promote this relatvistic freedom of expression. The second story sttacks with absolutism; causing harassment, alarm or distress is so bad that we must have censorship to stop it. Even censorship of the Bible, and free expression cannot go so far as to offend or challenge Equality. Clearly there's a contradiction in these two attacks. The Christians are prosecuted for offending others but have to accept the offence against themselves. In principle the same strategy could be used against the trans activists, if they outlive their usefulness which I guess the Christians now have. If only they knew who is behind their current success they may have second thoughts

It's not only transexuals who are being promoted. When I join up the dots looking at trans, LGBT, endocrine blocking chemicals, financial pressures on young people, mass immigration, war on traditional marriage and family values, easy abortion and contraception to name a few, the thing they all have in common is promoting reduced fertility amongst the western nation-based civilisation and its replacement by a globalised multicultural melting pot which is controlled by a centralised group of world organisations such as the UN, World Bank, WHO etc.

Do you think this is a real war against Christianity or a phoney war, because by now surely they have also infiltrated the mainstream religions and are playing both sides off against each other from within. So it's not just Christendom which is being remoulded but also atheistic socialism (which Annie Besant also belonged to in the National Secular Society before performing an intellectual somersault by joining the Theosophists); in a classic military pincer movement on our freedom loving society.

Pan-theism = everything is God. Mind you, "everything" is as difficult a word to understand as "God". I feel more alive when I'm doubting myself and searching for the truth than when I think I've arrived. This brings me back to prayer, because prayer (such as the Lord's Prayer in the subject of this thread) is verbalisation and when the thinking stops I can't do self-inquiry because the story of the self stops. But maybe that's the whole point of prayer, to use words to get beyond them.

Are you a pantheist? It's the only type of theism which appeals to me (apart from atheism which is the same destination reached from a different direction). Or perhaps a nondualist/monist: everything is X and you can substitute anything for X as long as its oneness. Everything is God. Everything is Love. Everything is Consciousness. Everything is Matter. Everything is Prayer. In fact if Everything is Prayer, then life is one big celebration of God praying to himself and why shouldn't he do that? "I and the Father are One". "I am the way the truth and the life" --> self-inquiry?

It's only an inversion of the mask.