RobSS

Wagner wasn't a Freemason and you don't need to become a Freemason to overcome animal drives, so I still don't see what Freemasonry has to do with it.

The Templars though saw themselves as guardians of a grail bloodline and the divine right to rule. Their interest was power and wealth. The "holy blood, holy grail" bloodline is a travesty of what the Grail actually is. There is a tightrope, but there is a promise of eventual salvation through Jesus Christ, so the more one overcomes, the skills learned should make resisting temptations easier. If that does feel like being the case, then it's a question of trying to find out why that isn't happening.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. What's the significance of what you're saying?

Are there any ramifications in what you're saying?

Why did you make the post in the first place if you weren't prepared to follow it though? Don't blame me for your reaction. Take self-responsibility.

Freemasonry is a distraction. Not all these stories were written by Freemasons. Wagner wasn't a Freemason, and he even wrote it into the score that the character. Parsifal, isn't one of the Brothers, but you do mention something interesting. I agree that the initiatory experience itself doesn't amount to any panacea becayse overcoming the lower nature requires a constant conscious effort. Psychedelics can't do it for you. The overcoming has to come from within, and it's a lifetime challenge... a never ending story.

The motive wasn't to show you up. I posted it again because I took the trouble to reply and you ignored it. If you hadn't posted what you did, all these feeeelings wouldn't be swirling around!

It's one aspect of what they believed soul was... a vital part.

Kaa is a Kundry archetype, and like Parsifal, Mowgli isn't seduced by Kaa, so Mowgli overcame his lower nature, which enables him to proceed towards becoming more awakened. Shere Khan is a Klingsor archetype.

What you're really saying is that you've got nothing much to say and nothing to show that Orwell was a bad person with bad motives.

You're starting to go off-topic again.

The Tree of Life is the Kabbalah and Jesus Christ said that those with "an ear to hear" may eat its fruit, so it's not as black and white as you make out and it must be something to do with how the subject is approached. I've already said that the wrong approach is to take the teaching found in the Kabbalah and take them as truth, like the occultists do because those so-called "truths" will be inversions of the truth and white will become black, up will become down, and evil will become good. I'm not promoting that, but when you dismiss the whole thing as evil, you are dismissing what Jesus Christ said about the fruit of the Tree of Life, so you're missing something.

I don't know where you are, but there is a relaxing of restrictions here in the UK, and people are getting back to how things were before the restrictions were implemented, but I didn't say the overall agenda is coming to an end.

Crowley's connections don't have any resemblance to what Wagner wrote in the music score. He leaves what happened open, with the implication that he went off to fight Amfortas, but got seduced by Kundry, and in neglecting his office, Klingsor, who was poised nearby, made off the Spear and wounded Amfortas in the side as he left the scene. It is all symbolic, and the usual explanation is that he failed to master his animal urges.

I've never read it and it's not the subject of this thread, but there will always be supremacism in these things because the one who inspires the doctrines is Satan who sees himself as being higher than God.

He may have been curious about Freemasonry at some point, but there's no evidence of him joining an Masonic Lodge, not even a whisper of it anywhere. I don't think it would've been congruent with his nature though because his main protagonist says: “If you want to keep a secret, you must also hide it from yourself.” Also his loathing of Big Brother.

That's a general summary. I did a post on the subject which contains a couple detailed explanations for Amfortas's wound: https://forum.davidicke.com/index.php?/topic/23037-roger-scruton/&do=findComment&comment=378717

Just in case this gets forgotten... How about George Orwell, for example? He wasn't a member of any secret society. Orwell wrote, in "Why I Write": "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it." And? But Orwell also often challenged the status quo! And? He didn't like totalitarians and authoritarians. He wanted people to have freedom and he wanted to help his fellow British folk not to be defeated and killed by the Nazis, so he used his abilities for some propaganda. There are worse things he could've done! In any event, George Orwell left the BBC in 1943 because he was fed up with its control freakery, and later described his time with the BBC as two wasted years of his life, so he would probably have loathed what the BBC has become today! So what? And? How long was he member for? Did he leave after finding out about the conspiracy, and did his experience inspire him to write 1984 as a heartfelt warning against the aims of the Fabian Society? Perhaps he became disillusioned with the Fabian Society, like he did with the BBC. Just questions... So what? He was also one of the harshest critics of H.G. Wells.

You inverted what I wrote. In this post, you wrote: "You're understanding is back to front. The "world" isn't mirror-reflected, its The Kabbalah doctrine and its occult practitioners the likes of Sabbatai Zevi and Jacob Frank (Sabbatean Frankists) through using the Kabbalistic magic is what strives to forcibly turn our world on its head and 6uild 6ack 6etter, Novus ordo seclorum, tikkun olam, their new age from the ashes." That is actually an inversion of what I said in the post you replied to. In the post you replied to, I didn't say that the world was mirror-reflected, I said that the Kabbalah, as used by occultists is a "mirror-reflected-world", and I went on to say that, "everything gets inverted and reversed, so black becomes white, up becomes down, and good becomes bad, which is why Jesus Christ accused the religious leaders of his day of being from their father devil because they placed the interpretations of man above the open exoteric words of the Torah." Ive already explained that the Kabbalah in and of itself already existed in the Bible and in the cosmos before the Jewish mystics and occultists got their hands on it. I don't know what else to call it because there is no other label, which is why I've used the word in quotation marks and have explained that it is something that existed before the word "Kabbalah" even existed, but you aren't reading what I wrote, or your completely ignoring what I write, which is why you're coming to a false conclusion that it's evil. It's not evil. What is evil is the way it's been used by occultists. You're like a workman who blames the tool for the poor job when it was the hand of the workman that was responsible. A tool can do nothing until it's used by a man. The same is the case with what has now become known as "the Kabbalah". It's not a snarky or sneaky retort. If you throw away whatever the word "Kabbalah" is referring to, you are also throwing away the bible because whatever "it" (the "Kabbalah") is, it is integral to the Bible and cut be cut away without ripping out everything else. Because there's no other convenient term, but that doesn't detract from the obvious point that the phenomenon of what the Kabbalah actually, existed before the word "Kabbalah" was invented. I did explain very clearly how I was using the label "Kabbalah" and I said you condemn it too much because you're throwing everything out, including the baby, which is the Tree of Life. Instead of condemning the Kabbalah as evil, you should asking what it is that's evil about it, and what's about it is, not what it is, but how it's used. Yes, that's what Jesus Christ was critical of, but you illustrate my point. It's what they did that was evil, not the thing that was originally there. The Kabbalah is the Tree of Life, and even Wikipedia will tell you that, so you claiming the Tree of Life is evil, and you're going against what the Bible teaches. Instead of reading what the Bible says, you're just following what most other people say about the Kabbalah and because you've heard it so many times, you think it's true, but there were two trees in the Garden... the occultists conflate the two, and derive knowledge from the negative aspect of the Tree of knowledge of good and evil. Christ taught and preached from the Torah and from the Prophets of the Old Testament, otherwise, what on earth did he preach from? He even quoted the Old Testament to the Pharisees and Sadducees, by saying, "Is it not written?" In no way did he refer to the OT as "fairy tales". These are the passages in the New Testament that refer to the Tree of Life, which the occultists refer to as the Kabbalah. Jesus Christ said: "Let anyone who has an ear listen to what the Spirit is saying to the assemblies. To everyone who conquers, I will give permission to eat from the tree of life that is in the paradise of God." (Revelation 2:7) "Through the middle of the street of the city. On either side of the river is the tree of life with its twelve kinds of fruit, producing its fruit each month; and the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations." (Revelation 22:2) "Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they will have the right to the tree of life and may enter the city by the gates." (Revelation 22:14) But I've already said that it's wrong to use the "Kabbalah", for want of a better word, in that way, but you only listen to yourself, obviously, but in order to understand, you have to have ears to hear. I don't mind a bit of sarcasm.... they say it's the lowest form of wit. I don't agree though, but it's heretical to call the Tree of life, evil, which essentially is what the "Kabbalah" is. The problem isn't the phenomenon, whether you want to call it the Kabbalah or the Tree of Life, or whatever, it's how it's used and the motive that creates the evil, otherwise, Christ wouldn't offer it's fruit for anyone to eat.

But you didn't read my original post properly, instead you falsely stated things which I do not believe. If you'd have read what I wrote, you wouldn't have come to the wrong conclusions but you had a strong preconception and you went with that, rather than taking more care. I mentioned earlier in this thread, here: https://forum.davidicke.com/index.php?/topic/25220-the-jungle-book-as-an-allegory-for-political-society-the-conflicts-between-man-nature/&do=findComment&comment=380839 I was very clear. I couldn't be clearer. I said that it will lead to an inversion of the truth, but you conveniently ignored that or you just didn't bother reading and I suspect the latter. But I'm not saying the Kabbalah is anything. Don't understand what the expression, "It is what it is", means? It means that it's just something that exists. It a phenomenon and a very real one. Which I have done... Because of the tendency to throw the baby out with the bathwater. If you'd have properly read what I wrote, it would've been patently obvious that I was expressing an alternative way of looking at what "it" is. I used the word "Kabbalah" because it's a helpful label and when it's used, it's immediately clear what's being referred to and discussed, but I did go on to explain that the label is irrelevant and that what "it" is, existed long before the word was invented, so I've already explained all that. I think it should all be clear now, but just to give a pictorial illustration with Eliphas Levi's depiction of the hexagram, and the metaphor of the mansion, I used earlier, in which I described the double nature of "the Kabbalah", when the same mansion has a reflection in the lake. The mirror reflection Occultists and Freemasons go astray because they gain knowledge from the reverse of reality, the reflection in the mirror: The "Kabbalah" (I put it in quotation marks to indicate that I'm not promoting the occultists view of how it should be viewed) is made up of two realities. A primary reality, and a reflected, mirror reality. Adam and Eve ate from the forbidden Tree of Knowledge of Good and Bad, which is the negative, inverse or mirror reflection of what's now known as the "Kabbalah". After being expelled from the Garden for eating from the wrong Tree, Adam and Eve, and future generations, were barred from eating fruit from the Tree of Life that give everlasting life. To prevent their return to the Tree of Life, an angel, with a flaming sword, was placed at the east end of the Garden to guard the way back to the Tree of Life. On the long journey through the Jungle (to borrow a simile from the subject of this thread), we're now coming to the end of that "book" or journey, and it was prophesied in the Bible that in the end times, the secrets would be revealed, and this is what's happening now, in the Apocalypse. The Bible also says that we can once again have access to the Tree of Life, and we're being prepared for having access to that Tree if we have an ear to hear what the message is, which implies that not everyone will get or understand what the message is, so it's really up to each person to make the effort, and to decide.

Please read fully before replying! LOL The Kabbalah existed long before the word “Kabbalah” was even invented, or any word that was used to describe the Kabbalah. In fact, what is known as the “Kabbalah” existed long before humans were even created! The Kabbalah in and of itself, is not evil, it just is, what it is and it's knowledge should not be taken as truth because it's merely a mirror reflection of reality, like a mansion with its reflection in a lake. If you enter the mansion that's the mirror reflection in the lake, you will only get an upside down view of reality and possibly even learn or become corrupted by evil! The problem is you don't read my posts properly. You had a preconceived and therefore mistaken idea of what I believe.

You seem to have a problem comprehending or you didn't bother to read my post fully. I'm not promoting occultists and neither am I promoting the idea that the Kabbalah should a source of information, which is why I said that the problem of the Kabbalah is that it inverts the truth. You don't read my posts properly, so I'll quote the bit you should've read in large type, so that you can't miss it: Those that learn its secrets can use it for nefarious purposes and that's the problem I have with Freemasonry and occultists. They take ideas from this mirror-reflected-world and make them doctrine and dogma, and in so doing, everything gets inverted and reversed, so black becomes white, up becomes down, and good becomes bad, which is why Jesus Christ accused the religious leaders of his day of being from their father devil because they placed the interpretations of man above the open exoteric words of the Torah. The Kabbalah, like the engine of a car, is what it is and should be left alone, but it's neutral and is not evil in and of itself. It only man that does evil with it. Left alone to be what ii is, it can't harm anyone.

You're getting far too excited in your condemnation of the Kabbalah, but the Kabbalah is integral to the Bible and inseparable, so if the Kabbalah is evil, by your logic, so is the Bible, but that would be an absurd conclusion to come to. As I said to Mac, earlier in the thread, without the Kabbalah you wouldn't be alive, so we owe our existence and survival to it's reality. It's the engine which drives material reality and is related to the two Trees of the Garden of Eden. The Kabbalah is also integral to the structure of Freemasonry, which is why it's such an enduring and powerful organisation. However, the Kabbalah also contains the fundamental secrets of the material world and the human condition. Those that learn its secrets can use it for nefarious purposes and that's the problem I have with Freemasonry and occultists. They take ideas from this mirror-reflected-world and make them doctrine and dogma, and in so doing, everything gets inverted and reversed, so black becomes white, up becomes down, and good becomes bad, which is why Jesus Christ accused the religious leaders of his day of being from their father devil because they placed the interpretations of man above the open exoteric words of the Torah.

A lot of movies reveal the cabal's hidden agenda, and the true nature of our make-believe world, but relatively few do so in a way that's beneficial to the viewer... in a way that's spiritually uplifting, inspiring and confidence building. For uplifting films I'd recommend films made for children, but ones that are also made with adult satisfaction in mind. Fairy tales contain a lot of positive information. Books are the ideal medium, but every so often, a director comes along who adds insights to a classic tale that are unique and full of value. Of course, there are also many stories and films that come somewhere in the middle. Fairy tales were originally much darker than the ones most people have come to know through writers such as Hans Christian Anderson, and the Brothers Grimm. A lot of artists over the past century and a half have taken very old ideas and reworked the essence of these stories in such a way so as to create an almost original appearing story, and in some cases they no longer even appear to be simple fairy tales, but they still have a lot of the essential information embedded in them that are seeds for growth, and new ideas. Why are stories made for children that also satisfy adults, the best places to find information? It's the last place a conceited person with the wrong attitude would look. In order to find inner revelation, the heart needs to be open, and the intellect needs to be at the service of the spirit. Proud people who value their intellects and academic knowledge, above anything else, are too busy concerning themselves with how to impress others with their cleverness and status. "That's all part of the dream world, only suitable for children, and dreamers", they say, and so they look down on such things from a position of superiority, as they believe their brain's intellect is far superior to the spirit that comes from the heart.

Reposting this as it got buried in the thread... I strongly identify with Mowgli. He was brought up by wolves and animals who taught him the ropes and the secrets of the jungle clan. I grew up close to the street with wild skinheads and subsequently had many encounters along the way, similar to Mowgli with his encounter with Shere Khan. I also identify with Milo, Frodo, Pinocchio, Gulliver, Jack, and Aladdin, who was also a street urchin, but I'm going to start a new thread on this in order to explore the topic more fully and see if other people feel the same about these Everyperson stories. I say 'person' because there are also Alice and Dorothy, two tourists of the astral realm who shouldn't be neglected or forgotten, and sometimes they come as a pair, like Hansel and Gretel, who had an encounter with a witch.