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The link between Kundry, the Mother of the Matrix, and the association between Parsifal and Frodo in Tolkien's "Lord of the Rings". I came across the following in an old theatre program of an English National Opera production of Wagner's Parsifal that I saw, at the Coliseum, in London, in 2011: "Act II takes place in his [Klingsor's] Magic Garden, initially dominated by a gauzy front-cloth depicting a giant pelvis, in the centre of which, like a spider patiently poised in his web, sits the magician Klingsor, summoning up Kundry to attempt to seduce him [Parsifal], as she once did Amfortas." Like Frodo, Parsifal escaped Kundry's seduction and embrace. Frodo experienced serious injury, so did Parsifal experience any injury in his encounter with the Mother of the Matrix? Wagner's libretto doesn't say a great deal in answer to that question. All that's known is something Parsifal mentions, after many years of wandering through the labyrinthine paths of the world, and his mind, he finds himself back at the domain of the Grail, on Good Friday morning. At first, Gurnemanz doesn't recognise the stranger, dressed in dark warrior's apparel because it's been like half a life-time since he last encountered Parsifal - the wild boy who killed a swan with his bow and arrow. When he recognises Parsifal, Gurnemanz asks, "To whom sought you the way?" Parsifal answers: "To him, whose deep laments I once heard in foolish wonder, to bring him salvation I presume to think myself ordained. But - oh! - not finding the way of salvation, I strayed from the path, driven off course by a savage curse; countless dangers, battles and conflicts forced me from the path, even when I thought I knew it well. Then I began to doubt that I could save the holy relic; in its defence, many times, I let myself be wounded; while I never dared to bear it in combat; unprofaned I kept it at my side, that which I now bring home, gleaming before you bright and noble; the Grail's holy spear." Parsifal says nothing about having been wounded by Kundry, or Klingsor, in his castle, but he does mention that he was cursed by Kundry. The curse would've been most intense at the time when Kundry first cursed him, but as he draws closer to the Grail, the curse loses it's power and effect. Parsifal also mentions that he was wounded in his subsequent wanderings in the world. No doubt, he encountered and was attacked by lost knights who tried to prevent him from fulfilling his mission. But Parsifal has the Holy Spear that he took from Klingsor, and with it he has the power to heal. Once Amfortas is healed, the sterile land is rejuvenated. Parsifal's mission is to restore the King, and make his lands fertile again. Creativity and life will once again abundantly flow throughout the kingdom. In the Lord of the Rings, Frodo and Sam were able to combat Shelob with a special sword ("Sting"), and a special light from the Phial of Galadriel. Parsifal has the Holy Spear and the light from from the Grail. What power does the Grail have? The best description of the power of the Grail comes from Lohengrin: In a far-off land, inaccessible to your steps, there is a castle by the name of Montsalvat; a light-filled temple stands within it, more beautiful than anything on earth; therein is a vessel of wondrous blessing that is watched over as a sacred relic: that the purest of men might guard it... It was brought down by a host of angels; every year a dove descends from Heaven to fortify its wondrous power: it is called the Grail, and the purest, most blessed faith is imparted through it to the Brotherhood of Knights. Whosoever is chosen to serve the Grail is armed by it with heavenly power; the darts of evil prove powerless against him, once he has seen it, the shadow of death flees him. Even he who is sent by it to a distant land, appointed as a champion of virtue, will not be robbed of its holy power. Because the world has strayed so far from the light of the Divine, Shelob's dark cosmic fibres and strands are causing a thick black fog of corruption and confusion to fall upon the world, but anyone, and Everyperson, has the potential to keep the light of the Grail alive, and burning bright within. Eventually, the evil will be totally banished from the world. I could be wrong, but belief can be a very powerful thing. Tolkien's Lord of the Rings was published in 1954, but the idea of the mother of the matrix being a spider has been around for a long time. Below is a photo of Kingsor's magical fortress, in a production of Parsifal, directed by Wieland Wagner, from the Bayreuth Festival Theatre, in 1951. It shows Kundry in the foreground with Parsifal in the centre of a web...

Parsifal and the redeemer By Dieter Borchmeyer (an excerpt from the Royal Opera Guide on "Parsifal") The analogy between Christ and Parsifal should be drawn only ‘with a good deal of caution’, Wagner stressed. He later opposed Hans von Wolzogen’s view that Parsifal was a reflection of the Saviour: ‘I didn’t give the Redeemer a thought when I wrote it’, he is said to have told Cosima on October 20, 1878. Wagner himself, then, clearly stated that he had never for a moment thought of regarding Parsifal as God or of making him a figure of redemption. There is not a single passage where a reference to the ‘Redeemer’ could mean anyone other than Christ. Parsifal is plainly conscious of the distance that separates him, as a sinner, from his Saviour: ‘Redeemer! Saviour! Lord of Grace! Can I my sinful crime efface?’ The closing formula, ‘Redeemed the Redeemer’, can in no sense be interpreted to mean that the new redeemer Parsifal has superseded the old one, in the way that each new Grail king replaces the previous one. If Parsifal participates in the redemptive acts of God, it is in the manner of a Christian saint, rescuing the Saviour, who is immanent within the Grail, from the guilt-tainted hands of Amfortas. This closing formula, which is in no sense enigmatic, in spite of speculative attempts to inflate its meaning, can be easily interpreted on the basis of the text itself, and specifically of the so- called ‘Saviour’s lament’ in the second act: ‘Redeem me, rescue me from hands defiled and guilty!’ Having placed himself in mortal hands in the shape of the Grail and having assumed material form as a sacred object, which itself now stands apart from all action, Jesus needs a pure individual to redeem Him. This act of redemption is a restitutio in integrum which finds visual expression in the reunification of two objects that had become separated, namely the Spear and the Grail — the weapon which had wounded Jesus in the side and the vessel into which His blood had flowed. The ending marks the return to a beginning whose intensified recurrence is the restoration of a perfect primordial state. The blood that now flows from the Spear is no longer that of a sinner but of the Redeemer; Spear and Grail become a single entity in this sacred blood, and Amfortas’s wound is healed when touched by the same Spear that had earlier caused it; the Grail fellowship is restored; Klingsor’s alternative world is exorcised, and Nature returns to her paradisal innocence (Good Friday magic). It is a Christian Utopia which goes back to the late classical idea whereby all things are restored at the end of time.

It's no secret that Tolkien was familiar with secret society knowledge that this knowledge is evident in his novels, and you haven't posted any facts to back up your claim that Tolkien was a Freemason, which is off-topic subject anyway. If you want to discuss other aspects of The Lord of the Rings, like Moriah or Tolkien's background, etc., start your own thread but don't troll this thread. Hopefully, this thread can return to topic and a moderator can delete the off-topic posts. Thank you.

You're off topic. Now stop trolling this thread and preventing others from discussing the topic, thanks.

It doesn't prove Tolkien was a Freemason, all it shows is that he was familiar Brotherhood symbolism, which is no secret. Anyhow, it's now in the hands of the moderators.

This doesn't prove Tolkien is a Freemasonry, it has nothing to do with the subject of this thread, and I've reported you to the mods for blatantly trolling.

You keep making that point and I don't disagree with that. And you're welcome to disagree with the other point, which we're not agreed on. So please stop, thanks.

Could be!

Fritzmeier failed to see the significance of using animals as an allegory in understanding the animal part of human nature, but you've made your point, so do you mind stop trolling this thread.

All it proves is that he was familiar with secret society symbolism, which is no secret, and what you've posted does not prove that Tolkien was a Freemason. I hope you're not going to start trolling this thread like you're trolling the other thread.

I think it does explain why animals can be an ideal metaphor for explaining human behaviour, which is why George Orwell also used animals in Animal Farm, and I haven't denied that books can be used for mind control, but that's not the fault of any book. You keep going round in circles, nit picking and trolling. You are trolling.

I disagreed about Springmeier's opinion because he wasn't taking into account the much observed reality that, thanks to our reptilian brain, we have an animal aspect to our being and we also have a higher spiritual nature, which explains what going on in the story of the Jungle Book. You said Tolkien was a Freemason but you're still unable to give any evidence that he was, but this and the other false claim you mention aren't the subject of this thread, which is just more evidence that your motive to be in this thread is just to troll.

You're point is noted and you're entitled to your opinion, but I disagree.

What claims have I invalidated? Why are you persisting in trolling this thread?

Why are you asking me about your problems?

All you've done so far is disrupt this thread.

You've got your own issues.

I left the JW's as soon as I was old enough to make my own decisions. Nothing I've posted in the thread supports the Freemasons or the Jehovah's witnesses. A few weeks ago , you hinted that you could destroy me. In this post you wrote, "I don't want to destroy you". About a week ago, we all found out how you thought you might destroy me, but you're attempt backfired and failed. You're a troublemaker on this forum, and I'm glad it's been noted by others.

It's a novel. Let me know when you have evidence that Tolkien was a Freemason.

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Anyone reading through this thread will see that you're trolling

Still no evidence that Tolkien was a Mason. All it shows is that he was familiar with secret societies, which is no secret! Still waiting for your evidence that Tolkien was Freemason.

That you're trolling

You're just looking for an argument

There's no need for you to suggest what I should concentrate on. Why don't you concentrate on trolling someone else's thread?