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Australia records its worst ever score on anti-corruption index after decline to match Hungary’s:
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2 minutes ago, Macnamara said:
so even if we take that as true then we can still ask if kipling's use of kabbalah was of pure intent or if it feeds into the wider conspiracy which is what i'm trying to ask
This is a question worth asking but I think we already discussed this earlier in the thread...
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2 minutes ago, Macnamara said:
Consider the concept of the 'overton window' which is the idea that the corporate media set the parameters of what is acceptable discourse for example if the mainstream radio were to have a discussion about the covid jabs they would have a discussion about whether or not to wait a certain amount of time before having your second jab
What they would not discuss is whether or not you should have the jab at all! So they create a window within which they are tricking people to believe the discussion must take place
But the same thing can be done with popular culture by creating peoples perceptions about the big questions in life such as about good and evil and creation itself
In one of my threads i looked at how a marxist spy was put in charge of the courtauld institute where he was then able to dictate to british society what would be considered 'art' for the second half of the century and in another one of my threads i looked at how a member of the hermetic order of the golden dawn was not only a university professor but was in a position within publishing whereby he was able to decide what would be read by academia
So time and time again we have these people that are part of certain agendas being in gatekeeper positions and also creating the 'art' that then shapes our perceptions as a society and i'm asking on a deeper level what their goal with that is
This is still too vague and general. How does what you're saying specifically relate the story of The Jungle Book and the morals and the lessons of the story?
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Governments around the world used Covid to erode human rights – report
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Just now, Macnamara said:
but that's my point!
So with this in mind, when we consider kiplings general behaviour (judge a tree by its fruit) and his propagandising on the behalf of the roundtable group, should we not then be cautious about what he is trying to sow into the public consciousness?
But the Kabbalah is not bad or evil in and of itself. What can be evil is the intention behind its use. Without the Kabbalah, none of use would be alive. It's the engine that moves life forwards and supports life and creativity.
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As the police investigate No 10 parties, Boris Johnson may already be damned in the court of public opinion...
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7 hours ago, Velma said:
But that's Kissinger's hobby (like the Cambodia and Ugandan genocides,)
But it will just have to be exposed.
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9 minutes ago, Macnamara said:
when does art stop being art and start being propaganda?
What propaganda?
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7 minutes ago, Macnamara said:
not when viewed alongside everything else i have said to you in the course of our discussions ranging across a number of threads now
there REALLY is a conspiracy rob and what i'm talking about is what it is trying to achieve
What you've written now is even more general and vague!
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4 minutes ago, Macnamara said:
i know a thing or two about interpreting artwork
There are different ways to interprete art. often with art there is a level of ambiguity and when the artist is asked what they meant they will say that they want to leave it upto the experiencer to make of it what they will
So that is one form of interpretation which is to say your own subjective interpretation. For example i shared a clip of a guy giving what he said was a 'jungian' interpretation which is that the cartoon represents the process of graduating out of childhood but would jung have said the same thing? We can only speculate
Then there is the interpretation of the author themselves and that is more what i'm interested in because as i explained above i look at all of these things through the lens of the conspiracy and within the context of the conspiracy
There are several reasons i do this. Firstly i want to know what's really going on in the world and secondly with the conspiracy now being very advanced and arguably in its final stages it has very real impacts on my and everyone elses lives and knowing what is going on is actually becoming a matter of life and death eg with the covid jabs
Then there is the spiritual aspect to all of this and christians would argue that your eternal soul is on the line so this is potentially a high stakes game!
I understand what you're saying but the structure of what Kipling shared, in his novel, "The Jungle Book", shares patterns and truths from the Kabbalah. The elements of his story are therefore also recognisable in religion and theology. I agree that art is about personal interpretation but how can interpretations be given, if the work is dismissed even before any interpretation can start. That's why I'm now talking about throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
"Art saves the spirit of religion by recognizing the figurative value of the mythic symbols which the former would have us believe in their literal sense." (Richard Wagner)
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6 hours ago, skitzorat said:
This is not an feelz-good rainbow glitter sparkles forum.
This is a conspiracy forum.
Conspiracies are nefarious.
Why do you feel the need to judge posters who don't "celebrate" culture art and creativity in here? Especially whilst we discuss the conspiracy that's currently destroying what we hold dear.
I wasn't judging anyone, simply making an observation that without culture, art and creativity, there would be no truths with which to maintain a meaningful and purposeful sense of human community. If only the negative is focused on, then what difference is there between that and outright nihilism? So yes, there are conspiracies and they can be nefarious and evil but that doesn't and shouldn't mean that one should throw the rainbow and the baby out with the bathwater because if one does, you're is only helping the cabal and the dark forces of Satan.
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25 minutes ago, skitzorat said:
I didn't watch that video, but there's nothing to discuss... this was your comment
And I provided an answer...(albeit I didn't realize that info was already in the thread)
That's all the information Tolkien gave for what happened to Shelob in the end... not sure what else your trying to find out.
I've still got a few things to add about that. I'm not saying that I'm going to contradict the wonderful Tolkien in any way shape or form, but I do have a few little thoughts on the subject.
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2 minutes ago, bobb said:
I take a different view here to say it like this:
the Ka ba la were originally CONCEALED by none other Satan the devil
It was revealed to those who were prepared to worship the devil, and then they concealed the secrets with the aim of creating a pyramid scheme because if a group has a secret, it becomes a great temptation that can be used to draw more cult members, but the price of that is one's soul. If they keep and perpetuate secrets, they have to forfeit their soul.
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Just now, Macnamara said:
Its really about taking europeans away from christianity whilst creating a new outer order of navel gazing passive people who will then be ruled over by a kabbalist, sabbatean elite
Your comment is too vague and general to mean anything specific and substantial.
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1 minute ago, Macnamara said:
If you are talking about the book then you have to consider kipling
if you are looking at the cartoon then you have to consider walt disney, korda and perhaps kipling too
I see all of them as involved in the conspiracy in one way or another
I'm talking about Mowgli and what Mowgli represents. That's what you're throwing away. You're whole thrust is actually anti-art, anti-culture anti-creativity and anti-life.
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13 minutes ago, bobb said:
Indeed the 'New Age Movement' was according to Jordan Maxwell a Masonic attempt at creating a new religion for the Aquarian age, and my understanding of this was to ensure that they still had control and sway over the masses, but if I interpret the meaning of Aquarius with a new ruler Uranus and not Saturn to me at least it means that systems of control will always break down, and it is this they are so desperately trying to avoid to keep themselves in the kind of god like existence that they enjoy so much, but unfortunately for them they are just going to have to get their hands dirty like the rest of us pigs in shit, but it also begs the question that if Aquarius has a new ruler then how many times have we been here before, I personally am hoping, earnestly praying that this time is different indeed!
The New Age movement is a trap for all those that want the benefits of Freemasonry but without all the padding and restrictive structure.
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2 minutes ago, Macnamara said:
do you see the freemasons as in the lineage of nimrod?
do you see kabbalah as having been revealed to the freemasons by the angel raziel?
do you see raziel as a fallen angel or as one of Gods agents?
Of course Nimrod is in the line of Cain. They are all part of the lineage of the Builders of civilisation and the secrets of the Kabbalah were originally revealed by none other Satan the devil.
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4 hours ago, Macnamara said:
That is what i'm exploring here and as rob keeps posting up stuff from these freemasons it is providing an opportunity for the forum to explore that whole rabbit hole
No, what you're doing is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
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4 hours ago, Macnamara said:
The point i was intending to make was that according to Manley p hall the entire universe is a lodge and therefore a person doesn't need to be a signed up member of a lodge to be a freemason
A person could essentially be an acting freemason for example they could perform their own rituals. Crowley for example was initiated in a non official lodge eg his AA system encourages individual work albeit with a single mentor to oversee a persons progress
So there is the occult initiation aspect but there is also the belief aspect and agenda aspect where a person could be pursuing the goals of freemasonry without being a signed up member of the lodge
I still think you're reading too much in the quote and your effort is superfluous anyone because it's already blatantly obvious you don't need to be a Freemason to be involved in the occult and believe in the Great Architect of the Universe and the NWO, etc.
What Manly P. Hall actually meant by his quote regarding the cosmos being a Lodge is that the Kabbalah underpins all life and creation, and this is understood through the Divine art of astrology. Without the Kabbalah you wouldn't be alive, so we owe our existence and survival to it's reality. It's the engine which drives things and is related to the two Trees of the Garden of Eden.
The Kabbala is also integral to the structure of Freemasonry, which is why it's such an enduring and powerful organisation. However, the Kabbalah also contains the fundamental secrets of the material world and the human condition. Those that learn its secrets can use it for nefarious purposes and that's the problem I have with Freemasonry. They take ideas from this mirror-reflected-world and make them doctrine and dogma, and in so doing, everything gets inverted and reversed, so black becomes white, up becomes down, and good becomes bad, which is why Jesus Christ accused the religious leaders of his day of being from their father devil because they placed the interpretations of man above the open exoteric words of the Torah.
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6 hours ago, skitzorat said:
timestamped:
I posted the video which has the same information at the start of this thread, so I'm aware of the info where you timestamped the video from, but I'll discuss this later...
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Piss up in a brewery
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A few more I remember...
naff
Right on
Dream on
scarper
Bagsie (to make a claim for something)
bonkers
skidaddle
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In the next instalment, we'll try to find out what possibly happened to Shelob, in the end.
The Jungle Book as an allegory for political society & the conflicts between man & nature
in Politics & Social Engineering
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I don't wish to be vague, but I mean the story in general. All the artistic interpretations seem to have their own merits and insights. My favourite is the Zoltan Korda interpretation because of its depiction of Shere Khan as Cain, but there are also many other life affirming fascinating insights in that particular film too.