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1 minute ago, DaleP said:

 

That doesn't work due to normies under hypnosis, thus no point in hacking like that. We've had enough stories to tell in this forum.

How's that, has it been tried?

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4 minutes ago, DaleP said:

 

So you have a superior solution. Show it to us then. ?

 

If you must know, we influence, manipulate people all the time. All the fucking time.

If you were to go for a job interview, you'd probably dress appropriately to impress, you won't be going there with your dirty jeans..... You even influence your family and friends.

Anyway, if you feel importance is being righteous, that is your thing. I know that mind control has to be undone with counter mind control that's all.

 

9 minutes ago, Looney tune said:

Wouldn't it be better to hack the airwaves and simply lay out the truth to people? Imagine everyone watching the 6 o'clock news or 10 o'clock and then something else breaks there readings and then you lay out truth and back it up with facts. I presume you would get more of a response out of it.

You could even hack live streams reaching the ones who don't watch TV. You wouldn't be tricking just putting out truths

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1 minute ago, DaleP said:

 

So you have a superior solution. Show it to us then. ?

 

If you must know, we influence, manipulate people all the time. All the fucking time.

If you were to go for a job interview, you'd probably dress appropriately to impress, you won't be going there with your dirty jeans..... You even influence your family and friends.

Anyway, if you feel importance is being righteous, that is your thing. I know that mind control has to be undone with counter mind control that's all.

Go back to my last post

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44 minutes ago, BossCrow said:

And also the repetition on TV news, etc. I think has a big effect.

Wouldn't it be better to hack the airwaves and simply lay out the truth to people? Imagine everyone watching the 6 o'clock news or 10 o'clock and then something else breaks there readings and then you lay out truth and back it up with facts. I presume you would get more of a response out of it.

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11 minutes ago, DaleP said:

 

Well that's the whole point of this discussion.

It's not a question of better than them. It is about achieving to wake them up from the hypnosis.

If you think telling them that "this jab is no good" is no better than the elites telling normies "to have a jab".... I'd still think it's worthwhile trying. There is no time to be proud. In a war situation, if I find an open storage of the enemy which contains all kinds of amo, I'd steal and use it against them. We've got to sling everything we can and see which sticks. If this was 5 years ago, we could put in on a back burner but there is no such luxury anymore.

 

If you have other idea to wake them up from this mass hypnosis. Tell us.

 

Now that I've watched a few video, I'd put a few skulls in a syringe but would that make them take 'death' even more?!?

I need to sleep on this. Idea will come.

 

Is that 'cherry and cream' structure still in Trafalgar sq? That's got to be a sex thing, isn't it.

As seen in this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09LGpNMYNjw

 

I would disagree about it being better than them. Would you really follow people who trick and deceive you from the outset. It's not a good precedent to start out with and makes you no better than them. Your doing it for your agenda just like them. I watch TV,  go to the supermarket and still see through there agenda. Unfortunately it takes a personal experience of some kind that makes you wake up and enter the rabbit hole. Watching subliminal hits won't do it, it's generally something on a bigger scale than that. 

Just out of curiosity, how long do you think the powers that be have been in power? 10, 50, 100, 1000, 10000 years, more? Has anyone been able to challange them? Or do they just rebranded themselves as something else and carry on leading? How many times has a society been remade? There's enough outs at the moment meaning you don't need to take a jab. They've never mandated one single jab for me to take? And there will always be ways of exemption. Idiots unfortunately will never awaken even if you gave them unrefutable proof but they will be the ones that fall by the wayside while the smart survive and in all honesty it's not my buisness to decide how someone else should think, that's there free will and they will live and die by it. 

If it's more about a technocracy I'm sorry to say we've all been asleep for far to long to prevent it. Your never gonna wake enough people quick enough to stop it no matter how much you try. So that only leaves war fighting in the streets to stop it which will play right into there hands as we would be killing eachover. I know people say rothchilds gates etc but do you think you will ever find the people that give them there orders? They've infected everything and you would never truly know who to trust.

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1 minute ago, BossCrow said:

Yeah, I agree with you on that. But it may be worth researching the techniques they use so you can warn others about it. Better to trick people into learning in more overt ways probably-

 

I get where your coming from but tricking and deceitful behaviour will never make you on the right side of anything. Im all for changing peoples perspectives only in a honest way. 2 wrongs will never make a right. But I realise your prob doing it from good intentions.

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5 minutes ago, DaleP said:

 

I used to smoke that brand.

Isn't all this talk of subliminal messaging just as bad as the subliminal messaging being pumped our way? If you take all the subtle messaging they have done with covid has anyone here actually been jabbed? You could look at the brands of fags with messaging as looking to make you sick. It would be more worth while de programming the minds as opposed to being deceitful and tricking there minds it's no better than them

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1 minute ago, SimonTV said:

Someone made an interesting point on Telegram about how we don't see any so called covid deaths outside of the hospital. We do see a lot of deaths from vaccines outside of hospital which are blamed on covid and also the misallocation of deaths from other causes on covid. But actual covid deaths outside of hospital have been pretty much non existent.

I'd imagine it's because it only exsist in medical profession. Out in the real world it's known as convid

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7 minutes ago, DaleP said:

 

If you don't know it yet, you don't know.

Not really interested in pp thought it was the other kind, it was in reference to what the fox post was saying thought for a minute that subliminal messaging of the other kind was illegal and that was what my post was referencing

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2 minutes ago, whatthefoxhat said:

I think perhaps you are confusing subliminal messaging with product placement,pp is in your face and is on screen for multiple amounts of seconds whereas sub mssaging is one single frame inserted randomly,it happens so fast your eyes dont register it into your consciousness but your mind 'sees' it

 

Hard to describe but if you go to the likes of youtube and look for some examples you'll see what i mean

I get both pp and subliminal, just got confused on your post when you mentioned subliminal messaging, didn't realise you was talking products. My bad

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26 minutes ago, whatthefoxhat said:

Subliminal messaging is actually illegal on tv in the UK and the last time i remember it being done was in episodes of the young ones,many many moons ago and when videos were still betamax or vhs ( the frog,the dove etc) i told my daughter about them about 10 years ago when she was just discovring the young ones and she spent hours tying to freze frame them ! .Not sure about in video via online platforms and the legality but if its advertising i would have thought its the same but private videos ?....

But how does someone determine what is subliminal messaging? In most TV programs and films there's generally tuns of stuff in posters in the background hidden away.(in reference to being illegal)

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2 hours ago, skitzorat said:

 

It's in the pipeline....Recent Aussie papers..

 

and be warned... according the the WHO your child being in attendance at school on the jab day is "implied consent"

https://www.who.int/immunization/programmes_systems/policies_strategies/consent_note_en.pdf

Mine will be off for a few days as well as no one the form

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With the inevitable role out of jabs for 12 to 15s in uk I was wondering if 11 year olds would end up getting it. I ask this because my 11 year old started secondary school and in there introductory letter regarding masks they said they see all secondary school children as over 12 and insisted on year 7 wearing masks. So I'm presuming when the roll out happens they will state they see every one as over 12 and be offering the jab to 11 year olds. Would that be legal?

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1 hour ago, ar55 said:

The U-turn on passports just shows that there’s far less people jabbed than claimed.

 

Not sure if it is a u turn. Politicians in pockets do as there instructed to. This seems more likely a type of conditioning in a sense that it shows there thinking how there trying to keep you safe whilst reinforcing the fact convids real pantomine. There still rolling out be jabbed to go to work scenarios which is passport all but in name.schools also are about to be hit with be jabbed. If ever a u turn should be played it's that as it doesn't have medical backing.

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2 hours ago, Sharisteg said:

access to basic needs and animal welfare.

Wasn't these vaccines tested on animals? Bet your a vegan who eats meat.

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26 minutes ago, zArk said:

 

I still disagree. The elites may pay for sophisticated campaigns (either news stories, reports or ads) but people can take it or leave it.

The elites do not control western society. They may bribe politicians, they may blackmail others but in no way does the capitalist system have provisions for elites to rule. However, communism does. Communism has clear distinction between citizens and 'important people'.

 

Elites sit pretty in both systems but their direct influence will be felt in communism whereas in capitalism they are reliant upon an agreeable public to consume, purchase, create

 

hence why the 'great reset' because western culture aint buying the climate change solution , aint buying the cashless society, aint buying the electric cars and prefer the economic system of money creation as it is.

 

as trudeau was caught saying  and posted recently he loves communism because it can make changes to the economy that capitalism doesnt allow

 

 

But when you say the west isn't buying into the climate, withe forever rises in costs of living and fuel most seem happy enough with switching there only sticking point is fuel charging points once that's done they'll gladly do it, most people have always gone along with the changes implemented, even when people found out there separated rubbish goes back into the same pile at the tip they never refused to do it, 2 weekly collection of food was excepted because they was told to even tho the rat and maggot problem came to there door step. When they stopped cleaning out the storm drains and allowed them to block before flooding people didn't care there taxes was being wasted and now people go I can't believe global warming is making my city flood. In the west it doesn't take much to allow any change they want, just the suggestion and a few stooges saying we must and then it's implemented. Looking across the politicians I don't see any of them that ain't paid up members to the elite. Your right by one does what it wants and one suggests what you need but they both enforce what they want no matter how much someone sugar coats it. I would disagree about the elites don't control the west the politicians, judges cult groups are just there front. However I will respect your views as everyone has there own opinions and this probably should be in a different thread but personally I don't see much they don't control.

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3 hours ago, zArk said:

Property is my body and kids

 

Communism claims ownership of my body and kids.

 

Magna carts and common law is incompatible with communism

 

My point wasn't the specifics of the two sets, merely the elites control both and as much as you have distinctions between the two they both serve the ruling hands. We have common law yes but if you have gone against the grain then corrupt judges will do what they do and you would end up potless in legal fees fighting it, as well as corrupt police bringing false charges which again will lead you into poverty fighting to clear your name, or you would just be eliminated by state. Yes you may own your own body and kids in law, but that law is so perverse that it doesent matter. If you don't own your body and kids but do as your told your fine, if you own your body and kids and do as told your fine, but on both scenarios if you rub the ruling class the wrong way it's the same outcome. 

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4 hours ago, zArk said:

Simply not true.

Elites have had the education and knowledge to manage the State

Now the common folk are educated

 

The law supports people who claim their rights. Citizens are subject to it

 

1215 at Runnymede changed everything. 

 

 

 

 

Whilet you may own your home it can still be taken off you under compulsory purchase orders for what ever price they set

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4 hours ago, zArk said:

Simply not true.

Elites have had the education and knowledge to manage the State

Now the common folk are educated

 

The law supports people who claim their rights. Citizens are subject to it

 

1215 at Runnymede changed everything. 

 

 

 

 

Common folk can get educated your right,(but anything to do with history is a bit skewed) but only if you sit in within the parameters of there running the show. WMD dossier man was well educated but look what happened to him when he went to challange the state narrative. If assange isn't a op look what happened to him after revelations. How many pop up political groups get branded as illegal. They run the agenda and only allow people to progress if you go along with it. They have snide ways of running you down tI'll you lose everything. You go against the way it's run you face a lifetime battle to keep what you have which in turn is a waste of life. Commies do the same but don't let you get educated for it.

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36 minutes ago, zArk said:

ah but thats right its Uber Communism being installed as a way to control and manipulate

Theres no doubt in Russia, North Korea and China theres a 1% elite that exist in a capitalist system of their own. They have privacy and property.

The 99% live in communism with no property and no rights only privileges.

Communism is slavery. It is a system whereby the citizens are subject to the 1% under the guise of the State being for the people.

 

Rothschilds, Rockerfellas, Royal families  and Gates lot are eugenicists who believe they are superior beings.

 

In our current system the State (especially in Common Law countries) recognises that man is above the State. The State serves man. Man is sovereign. 

 

this is what communism is attempting to usurp. this is what the Roths, Rockers, Royalty, Gates is trying to stop... the people/

they do not like it that the common law States consider everyone sovereign

there is no sovereign beings in communist states. Only slaves

 

Both versions are for the same goal, your right about commies, but believing that capitalism was built with common law of man bigger than state is tosh. The elites have always been where they are and the rest have always been under there boot. If man gets out of his station the state cracks down on that individual. Whether you own your home or state owns your home you do as the elites of both say or else you face reprocussions. It's the same game re branded.

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9 hours ago, Covidiot said:

I'm hoping that the covid saga is aimed at getting rid of foreign travel and not much else. TBH I can live without jetting all over the world it never realy appealed to me anyway. Hell I could even be down with sterilisation of a significant proportion of the sheep. So long as genocide is off the cards and freedom can be maintained in the uk.

 

 

Dude I think you need to chill out a bit, mass sterilisation is walking hand in hand with genocide and you shouldn't be down with that. Not jetting about isn't actually freedom nor will the rest of the implementations that will come

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7 minutes ago, Ed8 said:

Yes, good points. 

 

At the time, some people were saying there would be a world war, nuclear attacks, groups of Muslim militia on the streets of Europe etc but none of those doomsday type situations came to pass (unless you were a citizen of Iraq or Afghanistan).

 

Agree there will be a number of long-lasting changes. Just unsure of whether a doomsday type situation will happen.

The fear mungering is just to push the changes they want to implement (possibly change some leaders who don't follow there wishes aswell). I don't see a doomsday scenario yet on this, just changes in how we obey. More people will probably be dependent on big pharma, a small percentage of casualties as a result of vax,but more likely teeing up for something else to come down the road. Has anyone herd of if it makes people sterile yet?

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26 minutes ago, Ed8 said:

 

Just try to enjoy life and ignore media.

 

A lot of nutcases have sadly jumped on our bandwagon and as a result, arguments against lockdown and vax are sounding increasingly deranged, rather that the measured logic they used to be. In local telegram groups, a few of the most vocal anti-vaxxers are nutcases into Q crap, they post old and patently false info from discredited sources, they have the same psychological biases as the sheep and are hostile when you point facts out to them. 

 

There seems to be a dearth of factual analysis recently. I used to follow Bhakdi and other doctors regularly, but I'm slowly losing confidence in them and their doomsday predictions, the longer things go on and the majority are totally fine (although I acknowledge a lot of people have severe vax side effects). His most recent letter was just a rehash of things he'd previously said, with citations from doctors reporting rare severe side effects https://doctors4covidethics.org/leaky-blood-vessels-an-unknown-danger-of-covid-19-vaccination/ so what?

 

I certainly won't be getting the vax and I continue to resist. However, where I previously felt there must be a bigger agenda behind getting everyone injected with the toxic gene jabs (likely depopulation), I'm also increasingly feeling it might just all be a bunch of stuff that's happening with no great grand plan. Look at 9/11, the various other terrorist attacks and the "war on terror", the resulting war campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan and relentless fear and media coverage - what was the real point in it all? A bunch of oil money, flexing political/military muscles, some backhanders for mates. No real point to it all. The wars fizzled out. No one held to account. Blair, Bush, Rumsfeld never saw a court. 

 

Maybe all this covid shite could just fizzle out too. Some remnants of it will remain, maybe vax passports for overseas travel. Got to remain open to all possibilities, both good, bad and indifferent.

 

 

Not sure if there was no real point to it as the amount of laws that came along with the war on terror now allows them to have access to everything and anything they deem fit, can put any individual on any type of list they want, put you infront of secret courts, hold you for long periods with no charge. Covid will go the same way with rafts of changes to the way you live, vax passports, digital social credit scores, more than likely forced isolation, removing children from anyone they seem against their way of running things. It will likely fizzle out but the changes will be long lasting I think.

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49 minutes ago, Liberty said:

The true awakening comes from realising that you can’t control everything and everyone. Sometimes. Most times it’s better to let the chips fall. NATURALLY. You don’t even realise you are doing a disservice and will keep pushing to rule the world. Like everyone else. 
 

You are becoming what you fight. Don’t do that. 
 

Im sure you would encourage me to be the same but I’m not going to be. You do need to get over yourself. You have knowledge but so do others and yours isn’t superior as you seem to want to get across. You crave leadership. I would not let you lead me. 

A couple of things, I've been reading this spat and Macnamara answered a question then it's been jumped on by repetitive questions, he never said he would be a leader just answered what his solution might be to the overall problem. You might not have liked his response but it's what he thinks is best. I thought this was a thread about covid not arguing over the use of smart phones. Unfortunately letting the chips fall is going to change nothing as the chips are manipulated to fall where they want them to fall. If you take the covid figures for vaccines as true they have the masses sewn up and will do whatever they like without push back. (95% around me have had vaccines so I see some truth in the percentages being bound about) at least by not using smart tech you taking provisions against harmful blasts. Every little thing you can do to protect yourself goes a long in this world.

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2 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

i've heard it said they can scan your hard drive in about 10 seconds flat

 

they probably won't find my family photos very interesting

Apart from iris scans etc