GeoffB

They use a microscope to give people like you a pretty picture to look at. I have given you links on how gene sequencing is carried out which you obviously didn't read. It is impossible to totally isolate a virus because a virus is only evident when attached to another cell. Viruses exist.

Viruses existing is beyond scientific doubt. Some of you seem to need to believe that viruses don't exist for your own personal wellbeing. I am giving you the information that shows viruses exist. Some highly qualified people in the alternative media like Judy Mikovits know that viruses exist. The scam is that many virologists, epidemiologists, scientists and doctors have persuaded governments that SARS-CoV-2 and Covid-19 are more dangerous that they really are giving them the excuse to bring in unnecessary draconian measures which harms the human race. We can only speculate where the virus came from and why they are doing it. It just maybe a scam by Big Pharma to make more money or it might be population reduction. We await to find out. It would be easier to persuade the general public to fight these measures if some didn't have the crazy idea that "viruses don't exist".

Most viruses are benign. Some viruses are contagious. A healthy immune system will prevent serious illness and death. I despise Big Pharma and always have done. Viruses have been shown to exist by modern gene sequencing. Viruses and exosomes are similar but different as explained in this article. WHY VIRUSES ARE NOT EXOSOMES http://www.integralworld.net/visser171.html

We believe the virus is real but we don't believe it is dangerous or particularly contagious.

Can you name me a virologist retired or otherwise (other than Stefan Lanka) who agrees that "viruses do not exist"?

EM's are done just so there is a photo for people to see what the virus looks like. "In the most simple of terms: a virus test works by targeting specific viral material in a sample (say sputum or lung fluid), and multiplying that material so it can be made visible by fluorescence techniques. This doesn't mean that everybody will test positive if enough multiplications are done; if you don't have the viral material present, no multiplication will help you. You will never get a false positive. Building the whole viral genome is done by producing and detecting small segments of the genome in huge quantities (so not only the segments that are unique to that virus, but all of them, the whole string of bases), and then "assembling" these again on a computer, which can be done because these snippets show overlaps on both sides." "Alt-medics such as Kaufman and Lanka often suggest these whole genomes are useless artefacts, because they are based on snippets of RNA that first get multiplied and then arbitrarily "stitched together" with the help of advanced computers to form a digital whole genome sequence, which might as well be related to normal human cell material. This shows a complete lack of understanding of how digital genome assembly works." All explained in this article. THE SUBTLE SCIENCE OF WHOLE GENOME SEQUENCING http://www.integralworld.net/visser174.html

You don't have a very good memory do you? You posted ..... "Let's see ; you are a "front line worker"( ohh, that sounds so "heroic"), and your wife is "a nurse". You've got a HUGE vested interest in this scam." The "we" I refer to is my wife and I that you accused of having a HUGE vested interest in this scam.

You didn't read it very well because SHE clearly states "And before they pivot to yelling about human exosomes, these aren’t the smoking gun either. Yes, exosomes (more commonly referred to as vesicles) are small particles that can be separated from samples by centrifugation. The important distinction here is that they are bits of our cells that bud off and generally require huge volumes of material to isolate them from. The same processes just can’t be applied to a small sample of cells from someone’s nasal swab." If you want a more detailed explanation why exosomes and viruses are similar but totally different try this article. http://www.integralworld.net/visser171.html

No they don't, most use gene sequencing. I don't need to ask them as NO retired virologist has ever stated that "viruses don't exist". I gave you the link to the book. I don't think books are dangerous, it was Amazon UK who banned it. I don't agree with censorship. Books are there to be critically assessed and dismissed if they don't hold water. As there is only one virologist Stefan Lanka who is saying that "viruses do not exist" all other virologists in the world must number in the tens of thousands so maybe 99.99% is an underestimate. Viruses don't really need to be isolated because there are "vast amounts of genomic data currently available, that leave us in no doubt as to their existence." http://www.integralworld.net/visser197.html

Microscopes are old technology these days as DNA sequencing is so far more advanced. Viruses are totally different to exosomes/vesicle/virions. However, as Dr James E. K. Hildreth states "retroviruses exploit a cell-encoded pathway of intercellular vesicle traffic, exosome exchange, for both the biogenesis of retroviral particles and a low-efficiency but mechanistically important mode of infection." Andrew Kaufman has totally misunderstood Hildreth. Virologists are aware that exomes do look similar to some viruses. This article DEBUNKING ANDREW KAUFMAN'S VIRUS EQUALS EXOSOME HYPOTHESIS explains it. http://www.integralworld.net/visser169.html There is no difference at all. Retired virologists have no funding or career to lose and the reason they do not come out with "viruses do not exist" is because they know it is nonsense. Covid19 does exist but one virologist states that SARS-CoV-2 doesn't exist compared to 99.99% of all the other virologists in the world who say the virus is real. I wouldn't let the Covid-19 experimental jab anywhere near me. Amazon banned his books in the UK and US because they are dangerous but they are still available in Germany for £20. https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/3937342222/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_taft_p1_i0

But you didn't answer my question of why there isn't a swathe of retired virologists who no longer are worried about funding or their careers coming out in support of "no viruses exist"? I suggest there aren't any because no other virologist than Stefan Lanka who has a book to sell actually believe in the notion that "viruses do not exist". So anyone who doesn't believe in the very, very fringe theory that "viruses do not exist" are being instructed to say so and are "controlled opposition"? Your comment shows how divisive this crazy theory has become.

Exosomes are not the smoking gun as you suggest as explained by this highly qualified virologist. https://www.auckland.ac.nz/en/news/2020/11/16/kochs-postulates-covid-and-misinformation-rabbit-holes.html SARS-CoV-2 and Covid-19 were around for a year before the first experimental jab was given so it can't have been the jabs that caused it. Having said that as a 66 year old I wouldn't let these or any other vaccine near me. The last time I had a vaccine was for tetanus over 35 years ago after cutting my head playing football in a semi-final before I knew how toxic vaccines were and are.

Laughable. We both know it's a scam. We also know that the virus is real but blown out of all proportion.

Water droplets from humans filled with cells that the virus attaches to. It is not pure distilled water. This highly trained virologist explains. https://www.auckland.ac.nz/en/news/2020/11/16/kochs-postulates-covid-and-misinformation-rabbit-holes.html

Of course there is "self censorship" but that hasn't stopped hundreds of climate experts and thousands of scientists signing petitions and writing articles and scientific papers to refute catastrophic anthropological global warming. Where are the people with PhD's in virology coming out in support of "no viruses exist"? Where are the retired scientists who no longer worry about funding or their careers coming out in support of "no viruses exist"? Name me someone alive today qualified in virology other than Stefan Lanka who supports "no viruses exist".

Highly qualified virologists are fully aware of exosomes and they are not the cause of Covid. https://www.auckland.ac.nz/en/news/2020/11/16/kochs-postulates-covid-and-misinformation-rabbit-holes.html I wouldn't let one of these experimental jabs anywhere near me.

In 2020 the Age Standardised Mortality for England was the highest it had been for 12 years. The vast, vast majority of virologists, epidemiologists, scientists, medical professionals and many in the alternative media say this was caused by a new virus SARS-CoV-2 released from a bioweapons lab either accidently or deliberately or it was a zoonotic natural virus. Lockdowns, DNR's and drugging the elderly will have killed some but not all. Therefore the statistics point to a virus causing most of these excess deaths. A handful of unqualified people in the alternative media think viruses don't exist and some have twisted themselves in knots by saying that viruses don't exist but these people died of the flu which is caused by a virus. A novel virus is the most likely cause of these unexplained deaths where the symptoms of Hypercania and Hypoxia are different to most other respiratory diseases.

The question asked to these institutions was worded in a particular way asking for proof that viruses have been purified and isolated without any other particles. Viruses do not work that way, they are only active when attacking another cell so it is impossible to "isolate" a virus without another cell being present. Virologists know this but it doesn't stop them agreeing that viruses exist. The people who worded the question are using semantics to try to prove that viruses don't exist and not science.

Of course they will but that hasn't stopped hundreds of climate experts and thousands of scientists signing petitions and writing articles and scientific papers to refute catastrophic anthropological global warming. Where are the people with PhD's in virology coming out in support of "no viruses exist"? Where are the retired scientists who no longer worry about funding or their careers coming out in support of "no viruses exist"? Name me someone alive today qualified in virology other than Stefan Lanka who supports "no viruses exist".

Precisely, but not people who have very little understanding of viruses. You and I probably agree on many, many things. I agree with David Icke 99% of the time particularly that Global Warming is a scam. I have been following David for the last 20 years and have researched Global Warming. There are hundreds of climate experts and thousands of scientists who disagree with the IPCC. The ratio maybe as a guesstimate 80:20 in favour of the IPCC but nowhere near the mythical 97% consensus that Global Warming is catastrophic. I have followed these hundreds of climate experts and thousands of scientists and they make a compelling case. However, when we come to the fringe view that viruses do not exist the ratio appears to be about 99.99:0.01. There is just not currently hundreds of virus experts and thousands of scientists who are saying that viruses do not exist. You have a psychiatrist Andrew Kaufman and nutritionists saying it and a few medics but there is just not the expert research you can go to check the veracity of their claim. There is only one biologist/virologist and that is Stefan Lanka who admits he speaks to Kaufman on a regular basis and ALL of them have books to sell. Therefore I am not in the least bit swayed by the "viruses do not exist" argument because I have done the research and there is just not enough information or data from a large number of experts to suggest that viruses do not exist. If and when more virologists join the “viruses do not exist” camp then there may be a case to answer. Covid has been blown out of all proportion and I wouldn’t go anywhere near one of the PCR/LF tests or vaccines. It would be helpful if those in the alternative media could speak with one voice to force governments to rethink their approach. Most of what they say is correct but coming out with the very, very fringe view that viruses do not exist is a distraction which is not going to garner support from the general public.

On the basis of the vast numbers of highly qualified virologists, epidemiologists, scientists and doctors who subscribe to Germ Theory versus the handful of people like Stefan Lanka, David Crowe, Andrew Kaufman, Thomas Cowan, Sally Fallon Morell, Sam Bailey, David Icke etc. who all have books to sell (some of whom have no virus expertise) who are advocates of Terrain Theory.

You didn't answer my 2 simple questions. I know all about Terrain Theory and it denies the existence of viruses you are confusing them with germs. I agree that Covid deaths have been overhyped and I know that Age Adjusted Mortality is less than previous years and I have never denied it. But deaths have been the highest for 12 years and were caused by something ie a new virus. Of course I have heard of exosomes but they are not the cause of Covid which that psychiatrist Andrew Kaufman has been spouting. I know all about The Contagion Myth which is written by another 2 quacks Thomas Cowan and Sally Fallon Morell who want the gullible to buy their book. Another simple question for you. If you are in a lift with someone with a streaming cold who happens to sneeze on you the chances are that you will come down with that same cold in a few days regardless of how fit and healthy your immune system is. If viruses don't exist what is the cause of you catching this same cold?

Anything is possible but Terrain Theory over Germ Theory is highly unlikely.

Two simple questions for you and other people latching on to Terrain Theory that viruses do not exist. If Covid19 is just relabelled flu why is Covid19 causing hospitalisations and deaths outside of cold and flu seasons? How can the virus SARS-CoV-2 which supposedly doesn't exist be attributed to flu (which is supposed to be a virus) when flu viruses and all other viruses don't exist?

No, I'm going by the overwhelming expertise and knowledge of the worlds medical and scientific professions over the last 150 years who have been dealing with germs and viruses. Not a couple of quacks like Thomas Cowan and Sally Fallon Morell who have a book to sell to the gullible.