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14 hours ago, kilowon said:
go there https://lrbw-juris-de.translate.goog/cgi-bin/laender_rechtsprechung/document.py?Gericht=bw&GerichtAuswahl=Oberlandesgerichte&Art=en&sid=46bf3db2df690aba6e4874acafaf45b6&nr=20705&pos=0&anz=1&_x_tr_sch=http&_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=nui for the court document that you claim does not exist. The article, a hit peice on Thomas cowan, said he surrendered his license in California. Not that he was disbarred. And the fact that you would resort to such a hit piece as your proof says a lot about you. I have look everywhere and this is the only article that claimed that Dr Cowan has been disbarred. Even Wickedpedia does not claimed he was disbarred but only put on probation. BTW, there are no real virus scientist as virus does not exist and Kaufmann and Cowan have never refused any public debate. In fact, Kaufmann had a very public debate with Mirkovits. Again, tell me a few things that Icke says that you agree with. Be specific.
You haven't understood your own link to the Lanka court case.
It clearly shows that it was a legal technicality.
This article will help you understand it better where they say "the higher regional court judges in Stuttgart, where Lanka filed his appeal in 2016, did not doubt the existence of the virus."
https://africacheck.org/fact-checks/fbchecks/no-german-supreme-court-didnt-rule-measles-doesnt-exist
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7 minutes ago, kilowon said:
what about the part that none of the rest of the household got sick?
Some people have better immune systems than others for a variety of reasons.
Natural immunity is preferable to the experimental jab.
Memory B and T Cell immunity can last a lifetime.
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7 hours ago, kilowon said:
Once again, you have to resort to insulting those who disagree with the mainstream narrative. No matter how many time you claim Lanka has not disproved measles, it does not make it so, as unlike your claim, there are legal documents which shows that Lanka did indeed disproved measles. So much so that Virology.net has taken down the so called photos of the measles virus. Cowan Is retired and even if as you claimed he was disbarred, that would in no way proved that he was a bad doctor. In fact, it would probably prove the opposite. And please provide evidence to show he was disbarred. Btw, at once time , people like Tesla,and many other famous scientists which are now revered, were laughing stock. People laughing at you does in no way proved you are wrong. At this point, I think it is clear you are a troll, I would guess 77th, cause there is no way someone who disagree with everything Icke and people on this forum stand for would spend this much time arguing with them on the forum of a guy you totally disagree with. No one has that kind of time.
There are NO legal documents that Lanka proved the measles virus does not exist.
Lanka lost his case in court and had it overturned on appeal on a legal technicality.
The judges agreed that it did not prove that viruses do not exist.
Re Thomas Cowan...... "Conspiracy theory doctor surrenders medical license".
https://calmatters.org/health/2021/02/conspiracy-theory-doctor-surrenders-medical-license/
I don't disagree with "everything Icke stands for" I agree with 99% of what David says BUT he has been seduced by people like Lanka, Kaufman and Cowan that viruses do not exist.
These people refuse to debate with "real" virus scientists as they would be torn to pieces.
Sceptical climate change scientists are imploring the climate change science zealots to debate with them in public because they know they have a strong argument. With Lanka, Kaufman, Cowan etc. it's the other way round.
They only appear on uncritical alternative media sites and keep quoting each other to try to hoodwink the public in believing their very fringe views.
Someone close to David Icke needs to have a word with him as he is losing the publics support by banging on about viruses not existing.
If we are to defeat the global elite who are using Covid to bring in draconian measures for nefarious means we need the public on our side.
Spouting nonsense in an echo chamber of similarly seduced people that viruses do not exist when it can be clearly shown by modern virology that viruses do exist is not going to further our cause.
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18 hours ago, kilowon said:
BTW, my double vaxxed partner, supposedly got covid a few weeks ago. I nursed her back to health using natural remedies, slept next to her and bathe her. Yet me, my son and my stepson friend, all unvaxxed, never caught this so called dreaded disease despite no social distancing, no mask etc. As i have said many times before, this virus seemed to only affect those who believe in it. I am part of a freedom group in my country, and guess what, none of us has ever gotten this dreaded disease. As for my partner, i am convinced her illness was vaccine injuries.
Yes it probably was vaccine induced and that is why I am against them.
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32 minutes ago, kilowon said:
Make you wonder why this guy is here on this forum when he thinks we are all wrong and anyone who disagree with the official narrative is wrong. hmmm
I have been following David Icke for 20 years and agree with most of what he says.
You and I probably agree on many things.
What I can't agree with you and David Icke is that viruses do not exist.
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29 minutes ago, kilowon said:
Indisputable fact? So why are we having this arguments if it is indisputable? BTW, all psychiatrist have to be a medical doctor first. Cowan is also a doctor. As we can see with how many doctor that recommended cigarette and other poison to patients in the past, a license does not means that you are not a quack. As for Lanka, he has more credibility that every virologist that have ever existed. He proves measles did not exist and he has done the control experiment that no virologist do when they claimed to have isolated viruses throughout history. The only guy who did those control experiment once, the father of modern vaccine, himself admit that the control proved that you did not need a virus to cause the samples to show the same cytopathic effect associate with viruses. So technically, he disproved virology even then in the 50's
The quote from MarcusOMouse
"This is a so called virus whose average age of fatality is above the average age of life expectancy.
That is an indisputable fact."
And I agree with it.
Cowan is no longer a doctor as he has been struck off.
Lanka did not prove measles did not exist and is a laughing stock.
Again you are living in the past going back to the 1950's.
Modern virology has advanced so much even in the last 10 years.
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42 minutes ago, kilowon said:
Care to provide the paper where viruses where seen attaching themselves to exosomes?
"Virus-infected cells release exosomes that are implicated in infection through transferring viral components such as viral-derived miRNAs and proteins." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7293471/
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17 hours ago, MarcusOmouse said:
Let's remind ourselves of some facts here.
This is a so called virus whose average age of fatality is above the average age of life expectancy.
That is an indisputable fact.
Almost the entirety of the "infected " usually have a host of co-morbities, ranging from cancer to heart disease, diabetes etc.
Should it therefore surprise you, or anyone who can think logically that a biomorphic exosome, conveniently labelled as a killer virus should be found within those who perish??
Or, given their true function as a signalling defence for our immune system, might that be better explained by biomorphic exosomes being present at the site of such diseases ?
I agree with your indisputable fact AND that the vast majority of people that died had comorbidities.
It is also an indisputable fact from the whole of the scientific community that the virus is real and it is NOT an exosome.
Lanka (a marine biologist), Kaufman (a psychiatrist) and Cowan (an unlicensed health coach) have made a career out of this nonsense and David Icke has backed himself into a corner by been seduced by their pseudo-science.
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45 minutes ago, MarcusOmouse said:
That would be an interesting thought experiment around here and elsewhere.
Replace the word virus with the term biomorphic exosome.
Trying to explain what a "virus" really is - a biomorphic exosome - is the hard bit
Viruses and exosomes are similar but different as understood by the vast majority of scientists.
A virus can attach itself to an exosome which is shed and infect another cell and this perhaps is where many in the alternative media have become confused as they also look similar to each other but they are totally different.
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1 hour ago, kilowon said:
Do not say in scientific term. Only in virology does isolation not mean isolation. In all other science, such as biology, isolation means to separate something from everything else. Geoffb is wrong to say that viruses exist since to this day no one have been able to show proof that such a thing exist as a thing outside of a computer program. The criticism of corman-drosten et al was made by scientists and to this day have not been debunked. There is no such thing as a scientific community.
Viruses are complex entities smaller than the wavelength of visible light (400-700nm) which are only evident when they attach to another cell and therefore virologists have always known they cannot be "isolated" in the dictionary sense of the word.
Partial computer generated sequencing was done early on but since then the full 30,000 bases of SARS-CoV-2 have been laboriously "whole gene sequenced" many times around the world. To date virologists have taken over 4 million human samples of the virus (not from PCR Tests), gene sequenced them in labs using different types of machines and uploaded the results, which are the same gene sequence as the original computer enhanced ones (apart from the variants) to the GISAID Initiative. https://www.gisaid.org/
If you have a million human cells without a virus and one human cell with a virus then Virologists are happy that they have “isolated” the virus. It may not satisfy the dictionary sense of the word and satisfy people with little understanding of virology but the virus in scientific terms has been isolated.
When the “whole” gene sequence of the healthy cell is known and the “whole” gene sequence of the virus is known they are again two separate entities.
The original Corman-Drosten et al PCR test paper had been criticized by some people. “A consortium of over forty life scientists has petitioned for the withdrawal of the paper, writing a lengthy report detailing 10 major errors in the paper’s methodology.”
On February 4, 2021, Eurosurveillance (who first published the paper) published its long-awaited response to the Corman-Drosten Review Report, after a two-month period of review by five external experts.
Within one week of the receipt of the Report, and after a discussion with the editorial board members, it was decided that scientific misconduct or conflicts of interest were a non-issue.
They were also happy with the peer review.
https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2021.26.5.2102041
The Review Report and the Addendum on the Borger-Kämmerer team against the Corman-Drosten et al paper was criticised by people like Prof. Andreas Beyer who states ….
“The Borger-Kämmerer text is pseudoscience, it is full of misconceptions, errors and flaws. Therefore it is ignored by experts for good reason. The impact it had in public consciousness, however, is fatal. Borger reported on Twitter more than 30 Million views of his “Report” (March 2021) [now 50 million]. Hence I ask all colleagues please to spread this essay for at least a little bit of counterbalance.”
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/351286220_Borger_Kammerer_Corona_qPCR_Pseudoscience_Conspiracy_Theory_Revisited_-_an_Analytical_Essay_-
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18 hours ago, MarcusOmouse said:
Well here is where we need to go biomorphic, so to speak.
As such we need to define a virus as what it really is.
As I understand it, that which mass murdering big pharma label a virus ( or strain thereof ) is actually a biomorphic exosome,.. This is a warning frequency issued to those cells at risk of infections caused by real-world toxins in our food, water, atmosphere et cetera.
They subsequently show up in and around the cells that are in danger of exposure to such threats.
According to Dr Bruce Lipton, they actually do this in advance of the problem manifesting itself.
Dr Lipton explains this in far more detail than my summary here. Whats more this requires people who are prepared to accept, as I am, that we are far more than just our physical boides.
This is cutting edge science, the understanding of which is very dangerous to the existing sickos.
Dr Bruce Linton is probably right.
He is also correct when he says that viruses exist "if you have ever had a cold or flu in your life, odds are that it was the result of a coronavirus infection. Yes, coronaviruses cause colds."
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On 10/15/2021 at 10:28 PM, skyeman said:
You mean the millions of doctors and scientists who are recommending we take the deadly vaccine that we don't need and that doesn't work? I'm afraid Icke's word carries more weight than the medical establishment at this point. Whether he is right or not.
As I have said countless times I AM NOT TAKING THE EXPERIMENTAL JAB AND HAVEN'T HAD A VACCINE FOR OVER 40 YEARS.
I agree with you that most doctors and scientists are wrong to promote the jab.
That is why I would rather believe all those scientists like Mike Yeadon, Judy Mikovits etc. etc. that know the virus exists and that Covid-19 is real but blown out of all proportion.
David Icke and his acolytes are wrong to say that viruses do not exist but they are welcome to that view.
SARS-CoV-2 has been shown to exist over 4 million times by "whole gene sequencing" of human cells infected with the virus and in scientific terms (not the dictionary definition) has been "isolated" many times.
The criticism of the Corman-Drosten et al PCR Test has been totally rejected by the scientific community point by point.
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On 8/30/2021 at 6:04 PM, scowie said:
There was certainly a death surplus. Governments caused those deaths. They were homicides. Their weapons of choice were 5G + ventilators/Remdesivir, and euthanasia of the elderly by midazolam & opioids plus dehydration/starvation or via the vaccines.
You can't prove a virus exists with gene sequencing. You can prove an exosome exists that way. The word "virus" means poison so it is only appropriate to call a thing a virus if you can prove that it is able to cause disease — something that has never been properly done. No virologist has ever proven any of our "viral" diseases to be caused by an alleged virus with an adequately-controlled experiment. This is one where the control is made up in the same way the virus sample was, only you start with taking a biological specimen from a healthy person rather than a sick one. This is to ensure that the control contains the same toxins the virus sample does so that you can't go and blame a "virus" for disease caused by the toxins (with sars-cov2, for example, the viral transport medium contains the toxins Gentamicin sulfate + Amphotericin B).
Viruses and contagious diseases are mythical constructs. Belief in these things and that vaccines can protect you from them is essentially the worlds most widely-held religious belief.
Yes 5G may be harmful to health.
Yes the misuse of ventilators caused some deaths of people who were in Intensive Care with a virus.
Yes the elderly died because of mistreatment.
These things all happened before a Covid vaccine came on the scene and Yes these vaccines are now killing people.
The blip in the excess deaths shows it was most likely caused by a virus contrary to the above video by Sam Bailey who has a book to sell and a website to finance for the gullible and who is ridiculed by the scientific community.
Yes you CAN prove a virus exists by “Whole Gene Sequencing”.
Viruses and Exosomes are two different entities.
Virologist have often proved our "viral" diseases are caused by an alleged virus with an “adequately-controlled experiment”.
If you have a million human cells without a virus and one human cell with a virus then Virologists are happy that they have “isolated” the virus. It may not satisfy the dictionary sense of the word and satisfy people with little understanding of virology but the virus in scientific terms has been isolated.
When the “whole” gene sequence of the healthy cell is known and the “whole” gene sequence of the virus is known they are again two separate entities.
(“Whole” gene sequence means that all of the 30,000 bases of SARS-CoV-2 have been laboriously gene sequenced and NOT, as was done in the early cases, just the end bases and the rest computer generated.)
“Whole gene sequencing” of this virus and it’s thousands of variants has been done thousands of times by highly skilled virologists all round the world.
That virus can then be shown to infect another person in many cases.
“Viruses and contagious diseases are mythical constructs” to you and some others who don’t understand modern virology but in the real world it doesn’t mean they do not exist.
Vaccines offer some protection but at a risk of vaccine damage and that is why I haven’t had a vaccine for over 35 years even though I am in an at risk group because of my age.
Yes there is a Covid scamdemic and possibly even a plandemic but to suggest that viruses do not exist is barking up the wrong tree and deflecting from the perpetrators of this Global Elite money and power grab and dividing the alternative media against them.
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1 hour ago, DarianF said:
Where are all the dead bodies? Show me all the funeral directors that are overwhelmed. Show me the extra graveyard space for all these supposed excess covid deaths. Fuck, there must be a massive wood shortage for all the extra coffins for this supposed deadly virus.
Believing there's a virus, you would have to be mentally retarded.
In 2020 the Age Standardised Mortality was the highest it had been for 12 years after year on year decline.
In the whole scheme of things it was a blip but something caused those deaths even if the average age was 82 and the most likely cause was a new virus which has been shown to exist many, many times by modern gene sequencing.
Suggesting distinguished people in the alternative media and elsewhere are "mentally retarded" says more about you than it does them.
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1 hour ago, kilowon said:
if you are bothered why do you keep answering? Just admit that you do not have the answers to those question and move on. And this is what I am going to do. Move on. You are not going to ever be able to convinced me that virus exist and clearly I will not convince you. So it is a waste of time to argue.
Because I am polite I have answered all your questions and pleased to hear you are going to "move on" and not ask any more.
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12 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said:
There are those researchers who would like us all to believe that this Covid-19 coronavirus is real, and that it is all the fault of China, whether it is a 'bioweapon', or released deliberately or accidentally.
Then there are those that this coronavirus doesn't exist, and this is all just a really bad flu season, with the 'reaction' being over-exaggerated as an excuse to bring in more authoritarian control of the population.
There is actually a third group which keep asking me questions that deny the very existence of ALL viruses like flu, measles and the common cold.
The rest of your post is spot on other than the US maybe behind a deliberate virus leak.
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1 hour ago, kilowon said:
WOW. It must make you feel so much better about your life to call others who have differing opinion from you gullible. After all, you are all knowing. Funnily enough, i discover Lanka well after i sussed out germ theory. But you do know better right? Also i noticed you avoiding posting your scientific evidences that shows his products are snake oil. Still waiting on that one. Get to it.
Anyone who believes in Lanka or Kaufman is gullible because they are snake oil salesmen with dodgy products to sell because they want to make money and achieve fame which they haven't been able to do as a marine biologist and as a psychiatrist.
I am not in the slightest bit interested in analysing their hokum products just to satisfy you.
Anyone else who has a different opinion to me I have NOT called gullible.
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1 hour ago, kilowon said:
So can we isolated virus or not? Make up your mind. You do realized that the whole basis of virology comes from the 1800. Also i did not ask about propagation. I ask about isolation. So how did Enders isolate viruses before gene sequencing?
Going back to 1800 now.
Please keep up with modern virology.
I have said on here countless times that viruses can NOT be isolated in the true sense of the word.
However, they can be proved to exist via modern gene sequencing.
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50 minutes ago, kilowon said:
Again, you have not answer my question. I did not ask you for a definition. I asked you what is it that you find perverse in Hillman worldview of virology. Since you have read his books you surely can point me to what in his work that is perverse. So i assumed you believe people like Alfred Wegener, Tesla, semmelweis, bolzmann etc views were all perverse, right?
I also find your worldview of virology perverse for the reasons and repetitive questions you keep bothering me with.
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41 minutes ago, kilowon said:
Again, go and read the court transcript. The Judges belief in the germ theory was not on trial there and is thus immaterial. It was whether Bardens provided proof of the existence of the measles virus. He could not. And certainly virology.net took the judgement seriously as they remove the picture of the measles virus from their database after the judgement was rendered.
Bardens was a trainee student doctor at the time and the 6 papers he chose was proof enough for the first trial but a technicality on appeal meant Lanka didn't have to pay out on his bet.
The verdict doesn't change the fact that viruses exist.
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1 hour ago, kilowon said:
Nope. go and read up the case and the court transcript. Why do you just parrot what the MSM say. On a David Icke forum no less. If you had read the court transcript then you would have seen that he asked the Robert Koch institute, the German CDC, to run the control experiment to prove the existence of the measles virus. Seeing how that could lead to the virology house of cards tumbling down, they quickly settled. BTW, Lanka is currently running those controlled experiment and has already published his preliminary finding. You are not going to like it. Here is the court transcript in English. Read it and weep. https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Flrbw.juris.de%2Fcgi-bin%2Flaender_rechtsprechung%2Fdocument.py%3FGericht%3Dbw%26GerichtAuswahl%3DOberlandesgerichte%26Art%3Den%26sid%3D46bf3db2df690aba6e4874acafaf45b6%26nr%3D20705%26pos%3D0%26anz%3D1&sandbox=1
The decision said nothing about the existence or non-existence of the measles virus, emphasized judge Oleschkewitz. The Chamber could not judge that at all. "It's a purely legal decision," he said. The only sticking point is the formulation of the claim.
The three judges did not doubt the existence of the virus, but in the opinion of the court, the six studies presented did not comply with the claim. Lanka had asked for work to prove the existence and size of the measles virus. “Bardens did not present this one piece of work,” writes the Schwäbische Zeitung in its live reporting.
Formally, it was not about a bet or a competition, but about an advertisement, according to the judges in their reasoning. The organizer alone can determine the rules - and decide when the criteria are met.
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33 minutes ago, kilowon said:
Again, which of those are perverse views? Elaborate. And how can any views be destructive to science? Some say that Mirkovits views is destructive to virology. Do you think her views are perverse? BTW, they never called Harold Hillman views perverse, you did. So explain how his disagreement with others is perverse.
Dictionary definition of perverse = "contrary to the accepted or expected standard or practice."
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1 hour ago, kilowon said:
You keep repeating the same thing. Address what I have ask you. If virus can only by identified by gene sequencing then how did Enders and his ilk discovered virus before the advent of gene sequencing technology. I await your answer with bated breathe.
There you go again living in the past. Enders was born in 1897.
I didn't say viruses can "only" be identified by gene sequencing, that's what they do now.
In Enders day propagation of the virus was successively achieved in human kidney cells, human amnion cells, embryonated hens' eggs, and finally chick embryo cell cultures.
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1 hour ago, kilowon said:
Why would he need to do that? He said his product work and I assumed if people keep buying them they are satisfied customers. You make an accusation that his product dose not work, it is up to you to prove this. Else you are talking cow dung. Put up or shut up
It appears you agree with whatever Lanka says even though it is nonsense.
There are many gullible people out there willing to part with their money to a charlatan.
Gullible people may benefit from the placebo effect.
David Icke's claim that 'there is no virus'?
in David Icke Discussion
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My exact words were "Cowan is no longer a doctor as he has been struck off."
The Medical Board of California complained about Cowan and told him to surrender his license as there was a disciplinary action against him where they were revoking his license and being put on probation for 5 years.
Another words he was "struck off".
https://www2.mbc.ca.gov/BreezePDL/document.aspx?path=\DIDOCS\20210128\DMRAAAHL7\&did=AAAHL210129202932167.DID