GeoffB

My exact words were "Cowan is no longer a doctor as he has been struck off." The Medical Board of California complained about Cowan and told him to surrender his license as there was a disciplinary action against him where they were revoking his license and being put on probation for 5 years. Another words he was "struck off". https://www2.mbc.ca.gov/BreezePDL/document.aspx?path=\DIDOCS\20210128\DMRAAAHL7\&did=AAAHL210129202932167.DID

You haven't understood your own link to the Lanka court case. It clearly shows that it was a legal technicality. This article will help you understand it better where they say "the higher regional court judges in Stuttgart, where Lanka filed his appeal in 2016, did not doubt the existence of the virus." https://africacheck.org/fact-checks/fbchecks/no-german-supreme-court-didnt-rule-measles-doesnt-exist

Some people have better immune systems than others for a variety of reasons. Natural immunity is preferable to the experimental jab. Memory B and T Cell immunity can last a lifetime.

There are NO legal documents that Lanka proved the measles virus does not exist. Lanka lost his case in court and had it overturned on appeal on a legal technicality. The judges agreed that it did not prove that viruses do not exist. Re Thomas Cowan...... "Conspiracy theory doctor surrenders medical license". https://calmatters.org/health/2021/02/conspiracy-theory-doctor-surrenders-medical-license/ I don't disagree with "everything Icke stands for" I agree with 99% of what David says BUT he has been seduced by people like Lanka, Kaufman and Cowan that viruses do not exist. These people refuse to debate with "real" virus scientists as they would be torn to pieces. Sceptical climate change scientists are imploring the climate change science zealots to debate with them in public because they know they have a strong argument. With Lanka, Kaufman, Cowan etc. it's the other way round. They only appear on uncritical alternative media sites and keep quoting each other to try to hoodwink the public in believing their very fringe views. Someone close to David Icke needs to have a word with him as he is losing the publics support by banging on about viruses not existing. If we are to defeat the global elite who are using Covid to bring in draconian measures for nefarious means we need the public on our side. Spouting nonsense in an echo chamber of similarly seduced people that viruses do not exist when it can be clearly shown by modern virology that viruses do exist is not going to further our cause.

Yes it probably was vaccine induced and that is why I am against them.

I have been following David Icke for 20 years and agree with most of what he says. You and I probably agree on many things. What I can't agree with you and David Icke is that viruses do not exist.

The quote from MarcusOMouse "This is a so called virus whose average age of fatality is above the average age of life expectancy. That is an indisputable fact." And I agree with it. Cowan is no longer a doctor as he has been struck off. Lanka did not prove measles did not exist and is a laughing stock. Again you are living in the past going back to the 1950's. Modern virology has advanced so much even in the last 10 years.

"Virus-infected cells release exosomes that are implicated in infection through transferring viral components such as viral-derived miRNAs and proteins." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7293471/

I agree with your indisputable fact AND that the vast majority of people that died had comorbidities. It is also an indisputable fact from the whole of the scientific community that the virus is real and it is NOT an exosome. Lanka (a marine biologist), Kaufman (a psychiatrist) and Cowan (an unlicensed health coach) have made a career out of this nonsense and David Icke has backed himself into a corner by been seduced by their pseudo-science.

Viruses and exosomes are similar but different as understood by the vast majority of scientists. A virus can attach itself to an exosome which is shed and infect another cell and this perhaps is where many in the alternative media have become confused as they also look similar to each other but they are totally different.

Viruses are complex entities smaller than the wavelength of visible light (400-700nm) which are only evident when they attach to another cell and therefore virologists have always known they cannot be "isolated" in the dictionary sense of the word. Partial computer generated sequencing was done early on but since then the full 30,000 bases of SARS-CoV-2 have been laboriously "whole gene sequenced" many times around the world. To date virologists have taken over 4 million human samples of the virus (not from PCR Tests), gene sequenced them in labs using different types of machines and uploaded the results, which are the same gene sequence as the original computer enhanced ones (apart from the variants) to the GISAID Initiative. https://www.gisaid.org/ If you have a million human cells without a virus and one human cell with a virus then Virologists are happy that they have “isolated” the virus. It may not satisfy the dictionary sense of the word and satisfy people with little understanding of virology but the virus in scientific terms has been isolated. When the “whole” gene sequence of the healthy cell is known and the “whole” gene sequence of the virus is known they are again two separate entities. The original Corman-Drosten et al PCR test paper had been criticized by some people. “A consortium of over forty life scientists has petitioned for the withdrawal of the paper, writing a lengthy report detailing 10 major errors in the paper’s methodology.” On February 4, 2021, Eurosurveillance (who first published the paper) published its long-awaited response to the Corman-Drosten Review Report, after a two-month period of review by five external experts. Within one week of the receipt of the Report, and after a discussion with the editorial board members, it was decided that scientific misconduct or conflicts of interest were a non-issue. They were also happy with the peer review. https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2021.26.5.2102041 The Review Report and the Addendum on the Borger-Kämmerer team against the Corman-Drosten et al paper was criticised by people like Prof. Andreas Beyer who states …. “The Borger-Kämmerer text is pseudoscience, it is full of misconceptions, errors and flaws. Therefore it is ignored by experts for good reason. The impact it had in public consciousness, however, is fatal. Borger reported on Twitter more than 30 Million views of his “Report” (March 2021) [now 50 million]. Hence I ask all colleagues please to spread this essay for at least a little bit of counterbalance.” https://www.researchgate.net/publication/351286220_Borger_Kammerer_Corona_qPCR_Pseudoscience_Conspiracy_Theory_Revisited_-_an_Analytical_Essay_-

Dr Bruce Linton is probably right. He is also correct when he says that viruses exist "if you have ever had a cold or flu in your life, odds are that it was the result of a coronavirus infection. Yes, coronaviruses cause colds."

As I have said countless times I AM NOT TAKING THE EXPERIMENTAL JAB AND HAVEN'T HAD A VACCINE FOR OVER 40 YEARS. I agree with you that most doctors and scientists are wrong to promote the jab. That is why I would rather believe all those scientists like Mike Yeadon, Judy Mikovits etc. etc. that know the virus exists and that Covid-19 is real but blown out of all proportion. David Icke and his acolytes are wrong to say that viruses do not exist but they are welcome to that view. SARS-CoV-2 has been shown to exist over 4 million times by "whole gene sequencing" of human cells infected with the virus and in scientific terms (not the dictionary definition) has been "isolated" many times. The criticism of the Corman-Drosten et al PCR Test has been totally rejected by the scientific community point by point.

Yes 5G may be harmful to health. Yes the misuse of ventilators caused some deaths of people who were in Intensive Care with a virus. Yes the elderly died because of mistreatment. These things all happened before a Covid vaccine came on the scene and Yes these vaccines are now killing people. The blip in the excess deaths shows it was most likely caused by a virus contrary to the above video by Sam Bailey who has a book to sell and a website to finance for the gullible and who is ridiculed by the scientific community. Yes you CAN prove a virus exists by “Whole Gene Sequencing”. Viruses and Exosomes are two different entities. Virologist have often proved our "viral" diseases are caused by an alleged virus with an “adequately-controlled experiment”. If you have a million human cells without a virus and one human cell with a virus then Virologists are happy that they have “isolated” the virus. It may not satisfy the dictionary sense of the word and satisfy people with little understanding of virology but the virus in scientific terms has been isolated. When the “whole” gene sequence of the healthy cell is known and the “whole” gene sequence of the virus is known they are again two separate entities. (“Whole” gene sequence means that all of the 30,000 bases of SARS-CoV-2 have been laboriously gene sequenced and NOT, as was done in the early cases, just the end bases and the rest computer generated.) “Whole gene sequencing” of this virus and it’s thousands of variants has been done thousands of times by highly skilled virologists all round the world. That virus can then be shown to infect another person in many cases. “Viruses and contagious diseases are mythical constructs” to you and some others who don’t understand modern virology but in the real world it doesn’t mean they do not exist. Vaccines offer some protection but at a risk of vaccine damage and that is why I haven’t had a vaccine for over 35 years even though I am in an at risk group because of my age. Yes there is a Covid scamdemic and possibly even a plandemic but to suggest that viruses do not exist is barking up the wrong tree and deflecting from the perpetrators of this Global Elite money and power grab and dividing the alternative media against them.

In 2020 the Age Standardised Mortality was the highest it had been for 12 years after year on year decline. In the whole scheme of things it was a blip but something caused those deaths even if the average age was 82 and the most likely cause was a new virus which has been shown to exist many, many times by modern gene sequencing. Suggesting distinguished people in the alternative media and elsewhere are "mentally retarded" says more about you than it does them.

Because I am polite I have answered all your questions and pleased to hear you are going to "move on" and not ask any more.

There is actually a third group which keep asking me questions that deny the very existence of ALL viruses like flu, measles and the common cold. The rest of your post is spot on other than the US maybe behind a deliberate virus leak.

Anyone who believes in Lanka or Kaufman is gullible because they are snake oil salesmen with dodgy products to sell because they want to make money and achieve fame which they haven't been able to do as a marine biologist and as a psychiatrist. I am not in the slightest bit interested in analysing their hokum products just to satisfy you. Anyone else who has a different opinion to me I have NOT called gullible.

Going back to 1800 now. Please keep up with modern virology. I have said on here countless times that viruses can NOT be isolated in the true sense of the word. However, they can be proved to exist via modern gene sequencing.

I also find your worldview of virology perverse for the reasons and repetitive questions you keep bothering me with.

Bardens was a trainee student doctor at the time and the 6 papers he chose was proof enough for the first trial but a technicality on appeal meant Lanka didn't have to pay out on his bet. The verdict doesn't change the fact that viruses exist.

The decision said nothing about the existence or non-existence of the measles virus, emphasized judge Oleschkewitz. The Chamber could not judge that at all. "It's a purely legal decision," he said. The only sticking point is the formulation of the claim. The three judges did not doubt the existence of the virus, but in the opinion of the court, the six studies presented did not comply with the claim. Lanka had asked for work to prove the existence and size of the measles virus. “Bardens did not present this one piece of work,” writes the Schwäbische Zeitung in its live reporting. Formally, it was not about a bet or a competition, but about an advertisement, according to the judges in their reasoning. The organizer alone can determine the rules - and decide when the criteria are met. https://www.deutsche-apotheker-zeitung.de/news/artikel/2016/02/16/erfolg-fur-impfgegner-bei-masern-wette

Dictionary definition of perverse = "contrary to the accepted or expected standard or practice."

There you go again living in the past. Enders was born in 1897. I didn't say viruses can "only" be identified by gene sequencing, that's what they do now. In Enders day propagation of the virus was successively achieved in human kidney cells, human amnion cells, embryonated hens' eggs, and finally chick embryo cell cultures.

It appears you agree with whatever Lanka says even though it is nonsense. There are many gullible people out there willing to part with their money to a charlatan. Gullible people may benefit from the placebo effect.