GeoffB

Lanka can't even produce a paper for proper scientists to read and try to replicate to see if they come up with the same results. Stefan Lanka's much hyped CPE CONTROL EXPERIMENT itself lacks a positive control, ignores that mock-infected cells do show specific damage over time, and that controls are used properly in science. That in no way implies the non-existence of viruses. A typical viral experiment in simple terms involves a living cell with a virus of interest attached (viruses can NOT be isolated and purified in the dictionary sense of the words and this has always been known by virologists). This is in a suspension of benign nutrients to keep the cell and the virus alive and antibiotics to alleviate the possibility of bacterial infection. This is exposed to another cell which does not have a virus attached and if that cell shows a particular degree of degradation then they know that the virus has jumped to the other cell and has infected it. A control is done via “mock-Infection” whereby the same experiment is done with the exact same ingredients apart from the fact that the cell used does NOT have a virus attached. Any degradation of the exposed cell will be different to that of the original cell to a trained eye so they know that the first experiment involved a viral attack of the introduced cell and the control “mock-infection” is natural degradation over time.

Why would I lie? Scientists always do a control. They also write up their experiments in scientific papers so that other scientists can replicate their work to see if they achieve the same results. The papers are also peer reviewed. Unlike Lanka, Kaufman and Cowan and those in the alternative media who have been hoodwinked by their nonsense. I'm still waiting for you to show me the scientific experiment that you said Lanka has supposed to have done to refute Germ Theory???????

They use the minimum amount of substrates to achieve a meaningful result and ALWAYS use a control.

Scientists use zero or the minimum amount of contaminants possible to achieve a true result otherwise they would end up with a false result which is of no use to anyone. Unless of course you think that millions of scientists all over the world are falsifying every result just to perpetuate your perceived myth that viruses do not exist.

You don't need to add all those items to prove infection and contagion. A single cell with an attached viral particle can be shown to infect another single cell.

Define poison? It is common knowledge that viruses can only exist on a cell. Therefore to infect a different healthy cell with a virus that virus has to be attached to another cell. Why is the cell the virus is attached to a poison?

Some people shout others use reasoned debate. It's not just about convincing someone who has a cult like religious zealotry towards a particular opinion it is also about refuting totally bogus claims with "facts". I am happy to change my opinion when new indisputable "facts" become available. I watched the two hour David Icke interview on London Real all those months and months ago and what he said was believable to those who do not understand modern virology. I realised there was little substance to what he was saying and he had been hoodwinked by Lanka, Kaufman and Cowan who are using a quirk of nature (viruses can not be isolated) to self promote and sell their books, fund their websites and sell their dubious pills, lotions and potions. However, David Icke was right when he said in that interview that 5G may be a cause of Covid. I believe exposure to 5G may lower ones immune system but is not the main cause of Covid. He was also right when he said that people with or dying of flu are being misdiagnosed with Covid. I disagree that it is everyone being misdiagnosed but it has happened in some cases. Viruses are similar but different to exosomes. Cells with viruses have been shown to infect other cells millions of times. It doesn't happen every time but it shows that viruses can move from one person to another depending on their immune system. People with Covid are infecting some other people who end up with the same symptoms depending on their immune system. Viruses exist.

Covid-19, the flu and the common cold may have similar symptoms but many who are hospitalized with Covid have hypoxia and hypercania which is more of a blood/oxygen problem not seen so much or in the same numbers as those hospitalized by flu and rarely seen in the common cold. Also, the 3 different viruses that cause Covid-19, flu and the common cold each have totally different gene sequences. Viruses have been shown to infect other cells countless times ie "scientific evidence of contagion or infection" but not 100% of the time. Some people get infected, some don't. It depends on each individual persons immune system. Viruses exist.

Environment, chemical, emotional, physical stress lowers the body's immunity allowing viruses to take hold.

Yes viruses exist and the Covid experimental jab may be one of the greatest crimes against humanity.

There you go living in the past again. I don't suppose there was a scientific paper?

In your opinion which I have shown is not based on knowledge of modern virology but in a religious cult like belief.

Show me the link to his peer reviewed paper.

That is a resume of Lanka's submission. It is NOT a judgement.

The Judges decided in Lanka's favour due to a legal technicality and the judges admitted that viruses exist. There is nothing to stop Lanka paying to have that experiment done. I wonder why he doesn't.

Yes it is possible you have immunity but not everyone produces antibodies or Memory B and T Cells.

Many of them are. One woman was shown to have natural immunity to the Spanish Flu 80 years later.

As Mikovits says and as I have been saying since Page one of this thread you cannot separate a virus from a cell, viruses only exist in cells. Kaufman admitted he didn't understand the virological language so how on earth can he state that viruses don't exist if he doesn't understand modern virology.

I have an understanding of quantum physics, X Theory and M Theory and the scientific notion of alternative reality so yes Reptilian Entities from a parallel universe is a possibility. I'm also fully signed up to the notion that the Rockefellers have been a malign force in medicine and everything else they have touched. However, due to my understanding of modern virology I cannot accept that viruses do not exist.

The Medical Board of California complained about Cowan for giving an unlicensed drug to a cancer patient without seeing them or reading their notes in 2017 and told Cowan to either surrender his license as there was a disciplinary action against him or be put on probation for 5 years with extra training and banning him from treating cancer patients. In other words he was "struck off". https://quackwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/33/2021/02/cowan_license_surrender_2021.pdf ""Doctor" Thomas Cowan, who claimed that 5G caused the coronavirus, isn't surrendering his medical license because he's learned his lesson. Instead, he's watched how other quacks have become millionaires and plans to follow in their footsteps." https://www.acsh.org/news/2021/02/10/how-quacks-become-millionaires-5g-covid-doctor-will-sell-supplements-15336

The court document says no such thing.

Read the court document and you will see it has nothing to do with deciding if viruses exist or not. The judges decided that as Lanka set the parameters of the bet and the medical student hadn't delivered them on time then Lanka was not liable to pay out the 100,000 euro bet.

I have seen the video of Kaufman and Dr Judy Mikovits and Kaufman was a complete and utter disgrace. It was hardly a discussion or a debate and Mikovits did well not to get any more angry at the slurs from Kaufman. The Zoom meeting was supposed to be about the danger of the Covid experimental jabs. Kaufman hijacked the meeting to self publicise his ridiculous belief that viruses do not exist. Mikovits assumed Kaufman has some knowledge of virology and that is why she was using technical terms which Kaufman admitted on video that he did not understand. As anyone with an ounce of virology knowledge can testify viruses cannot be isolated in the dictionary sense of the word because they are only evident when they are attached to a cell. Kaufman should know this. It is like someone who doesn’t understand science asking for a photograph of gravity to prove it exists. Virologists have “isolated” viruses millions of times by showing them in a single living cell. Viruses cannot exist without that cell. Kaufman is a psychiatrist and is very good at persuading people that black is white. Even David Icke, who should know better, has fallen for it.

Many countries that were exposed to the similar virus to SARS-CoV-2 ie SARS and SARS-CoV-1 up to 18 years ago may have had the virus without symptoms and they have Memory B and T Cell natural immunity.

As I have said many times I have been following David Icke for 20 years, bought and read most of his books, paid him a monthly subscription and seen him live at Wembley giving a 10 hour presentation. I agree with almost everything he says so it is a lot easier to tell you what I don't agree with of his and that is that viruses do not exist.