GeoffB

No we don't trust Big Pharma. That doesn't mean viruses do not exist.

1. I don't have a "favourite" scientific paper. What I can provide is a scientific paper chosen by a scientist, who uses cell culture every day, to refute the claims of Lanka. He stated “Lanka is either really bad at culturing cells himself and is too stupid to realize what he is doing wrong, or he is lying for clout. Either way, debunked.” The scientific paper he chose to debunk Lanka https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-17796-z 2. As for photographs there are some in the above paper Fig. 3. "Different stages of the SARS-CoV-2 life cycle in secretory cells were detected". 3. Modern gene sequencing proves the existence of viruses. Here is an article explaining it to you with some more photographs. https://integralworld.net/visser174.html

Lanka's so-called control experiment has been totally debunked. https://integralworld.net/visser211.html

There are thousands of scientific papers proving viral germ theory. There are thousands of photographs of viral particles proving viral germ theory. There are millions of whole gene sequences proving viral germ theory.

It has been proved many, many times by experiments showing that a single human cell infected with a virus from a sick patient will infect a similar but different healthy cell. Humans who are sick caused by a virus infect other humans who are well. Why do you find it so difficult to accept that it is a virus that caused it? Why do you choose to believe discredited people like Lanka, Kaufman, Cowan, Bailey etc. who have no proof whatsoever that "viruses do not exist"? Why don't you believe the highly qualified people who are fighting against the tyranny of the Covid lies and dangerous experimental jabs like Judy Mikovits, Mike Yeadon, Andrew Wakefield etc?

As I thought. You have no evidence of your bogus claims.

Hilarious. "Well supported and evidenced claims" that viruses do not exist. Please provide as many as you like (good luck as there aren't any). There are a few bogus claims and they have all been totally debunked.

Yes the general public have been deceived by the Global Elite when it comes to Covid. And many people on here have been deceived by Lanka, Kaufman, Cowan and Bailey with their ridiculous claims that "viruses do not exist".

So not only do we have people on here that think "viruses do not exist" we also have people on here that think the human immune system does not exist. And people wonder why David Icke and his followers are irrelevant.

You are quite correct. All these things lower the bodies immunity allowing viruses to take hold. Happy Yuletide.

The only official narrative that is real is that viruses exist. The rest is all lies and propaganda which becomes more difficult to fight against with a few "useful idiots" dividing the rebellion against this tyranny with their ridiculous belief that "viruses do not exist". Happy Yuletide.

You can bask in your ignorance that "viruses do not exist". I didn't say SARS-CoV-2 was a bioweapon to kill off lots of people. It was most likely an "economic bio-weapon" to cause harm to the Chinese economy and unlike it's cousin SARS it unexpectantly spread worldwide and as you say it killed off some old people who were about to die anyway but was used as an excuse for a "Great Reset". Ron Unz has an excellent series of articles explaining the most likely course of events accusing rogue elements of the US Deep State of releasing the virus. https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-covid-epidemic-as-lab-leak-or-biowarfare/

I'm glad you agree viruses exist. They have also been isolated in the scientific sense. Some cause disease, most don't. SARS-CoV-2 virus causes a mild disease Covid which has been blown out of all proportion by the Global Elite to bring in draconian powers of control.

Your need to be in a tiny group of people who "have" to believe in something which has been proved to be wrong speaks volumes about you. The rest of us who know that SARS-CoV-2 is real, probably created in a lab and probably deliberately released on humankind are left to fight this Covid hoax and tyranny whilst you and the rest of the "viruses do not exist" zealots disappear up your own backsides and become irrelevant and an embarrassment to those of us trying to put a stop to this power grab by the Global Elite.

Well there was no point giving you articles or papers by "real" scientists as you would just dismiss them as being corrupted by money from Big Pharma. Julie Beal is an independent English activist of 20 plus years, writing articles for Activist Post about Agenda21 and the Global Elite's plans against humankind. She is one of us, and like me she has researched the whole Corona scam and has come to the conclusion, with references, that the virus and all other viruses are real. Here is a list of the articles she has written showing her credentials as a "conspiracy realist" something of which I am happy to call myself. https://www.activistpost.com/tag/julie-beal

This article from yesterday neatly explains why viruses exist and why it is important that people in the "alternative media" start to accept the fact. https://www.activistpost.com/2021/12/nobody-can-prove-the-nonexistence-of-viruses.html

Lanka has been totally discredited. https://integralworld.net/visser175.html Koch's Postulates are ancient history and have been modified in recent years to accept the discovery of viruses. https://integralworld.net/visser184.html Exosomes are similar but different to viruses. It has been shown that shed exosomes carry viral particles. https://integralworld.net/visser171.html

It's not a "theoretical hypothesis" that viruses exist, it is a fact. You're afraid to argue because you don't want your delusions and theoretical hypothesis that "viruses do not exist" shattered.

I have a wealth of links to counter any claim by those who still cling to the fringe belief that "viruses do not exist". As before I am happy to answer any questions or provide proof that "viruses exist". I am happy to correct any misconceptions on viruses. Here is my revised and condensed version of my arguments as requested. I am happy to expand on every point. The facts showing that viruses exist …… Viruses are a quirk of nature and there is scientific debate on whether they are living organisms or not. It has always been known that it is impossible to “isolate” a virus in the dictionary sense. (A similar concept to the quirk of nature in Quantum Mechanics whereby light can be a particle or a waveform). Viruses have been proved to exist by modern virology through experiments with a living isolated single human cell infected with a virus and shown to infect a different living healthy human cell without the virus. (Modern Virologists have always known that viruses cannot be “isolated” or “purified” in the dictionary sense of the word as viruses are only evident when attached to a living cell). Mock controls are done in almost every case using the same known liquid suspension or substrate. The experiment is written up in a scientific paper for peer review. Just search the internet for “virus cell culture paper” for thousands of these papers. No paper has had to be retracted. Viruses have been proved to exist via modern electron microscopy and photographed showing the virus which is similar but different to an exosome. Just search the internet for “virus cell culture paper”, Images. Again no paper has been retracted. Viruses have been proved to exist via modern whole gene sequencing (which is the preferred method of identification) of all of the base pairs. SARS-CoV-2 and it’s variants have 29,903 base pairs which have been laboriously whole gene sequenced (it takes 4 to 5 days and NOT computer generated) and uploaded to the GISAID Initiative over 6 million times. Again no paper has been retracted. Viruses have been proved to exist via PCR tests which are highly specific and accurate in detecting a unique long gene sequence fragment of the virus you want to detect. It is not so good at diagnosing infection as the virus detected maybe dead fragments and not viable which can only be done by cell culture in a wet lab. However, the CT rate if low is an indication of infectability. (Although PCR tests are incredibly accurate it all depends on the Quality Control measures in the labs. The Lighthouse labs for mass testing in the UK have poor Quality Control and produce many “false positives”). Again no paper has been retracted. Viruses have been proved to exist in the German courts in the infamous Lanka v Bardens case where all the judges and experts agreed that the measles virus was real. (Lanka weaseled himself out of paying the 100,000euro bet by persuading the court that it was proved by “six” scientific papers and not “one” that he had asked for). There has been no scientific paper, even a pre-print or one not peer reviewed, that has ever suggested that viruses do not exist. Unlike thousands of sceptical climate scientists questioning man made global warming there has been no retired virologist or otherwise with nothing to lose in coming forward with any doubts about “viruses existing”. There have been no death bed confessions from modern virologists. There have been no scientific papers suggesting viruses do not exist. This indicates that viruses are real and do exist as has been proved by the methods already stated. The US has over 200 bioweapons labs around the world, there are many others. They are all working on viruses. If there is a biological accident or attack your semi-religious belief that “viruses do not exist” will not save you from sickness and/or death. Some Charlatans with a failed scientific/medical background with books to sell, websites to fund and pills, lotions and potions to sell to the gullible have seen the profit potential of abandoning mainstream medicine in favour of the 19th century Terrain Theory and “viruses do not exist” quackery. People like Stefan Lanka, Andrew Kaufman, Tom Cowan, Sam Bailey etc. These people have seduced others in the alternative media without a medical or scientific background but who also have books to sell and websites to fund to support their spurious 19th century claims and that “viruses do not exist”. People like David Icke, Jon Rappaport, Mike Adams etc. They keep appearing on each others platforms, including Alex Jones Infowars, and keep quoting each other and operate in an echo chamber of lies and deceit to illicit money from the gullible. ALL their claims about “viruses not existing” have been debunked. Facts are facts and viruses have been proved to exist. These people may be right when they say Covid, lockdowns, masks, vaccines, global warming, controlling the masses and many other subjects are a scam but on “viruses not existing” they are totally wrong, out of date and have been proved to be wrong. You may be a follower of these people and want to believe they are right 100% of the time but on “viruses not existing” they are just plain wrong, out of date and have been proved to be wrong. I have supported David Icke for the last 20 years, bought most of his books, paid a monthly subscription to him, watched him live at Wembley for 10 hours, donated money to The Peoples Voice and can’t think of one subject where I have disagreed with him, until now. VIRUSES EXIST.

I despise Big Pharma. I despise even more discredited and disbarred ex-biologists and medics who are trying to part the gullible from their hard earned money by selling books, pills lotions and potions on a false premise that "viruses do not exist".

I proved beyond doubt that viruses exists with 224 posts on the main thread "David Icke's Claim That Viruses Do Not Exist". I doubt the moderators on here will tolerate a repeat.

We have all been exposed to a parasite. It's name is Stefan Lanka and it's variants are called Andrew Kaufman, Tom Cowan and Samantha Bailey..

That statement proves you know nothing about modern virology.

Yes it does mean that. If you think a scientific paper would say that the pathogenesis and transmission of known viruses are obscure and poorly understood then you're more deluded than I thought. They were talking about a "new unknown" virus. I despise all those people you mention as I am active in exposing the global elites lies and propaganda around a new virus which is no worse than a bad flu or for Omicron akin to a common cold. However, I'm also active exposing the idiots on here and elsewhere who keep spouting the nonsense that "viruses do not exist" and I don't care if I hurt their feelings as they need to educate themselves in modern virology.

You are misinterpreting the quotes you are referring to. The paper was published 6th August 2020 just months after the new virus had been discovered and it was saying that as far as SARS-CoV-2 is concerned "The underlying pathogenesis and transmission of viral infection remain obscure." Meaning that the pathogenesis and transmission of SARS-Cov-2 remain obscure and "the underlying morphogenesis and pathogenesis (of SARS-CoV-2) remain poorly understood" because it is a new virus which requires further investigation hence the experiment written up in the said scientific paper and all the experiments after which shows the virus is real and infects other healthy cells. Your lack of understanding of modern virology and scientific papers shows you are not in a position to suggest that "viruses do not exist".