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GeoffB
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6 hours ago, Thoth001 said:
ACTUAL ISOLATION MEANS THE VIRUS EXISTS. INABILITY TO ISOLATE IT MEANS THERE IS NO PROOF THE VIRUS EXISTS.
Measles, flu, the common cold and all other viruses have never been isolated or purified but it doesn't mean they don't exist.
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9 hours ago, Thoth001 said:
And I am sure you think Dr. Fauci and Jen Psaki are reliable sources.
Of course I don't.
Reliable sources are the millions of medical professionals around the world who have seen the peculiar symptoms of Covid-19 which are different to anything they have seen before in flu and pneumonia cases in hospital.
Something caused Covid-19 and the most likely culprit is a new virus possibly created in a lab which escaped by accident or by design.
People in the alternative media stating that ALL viruses do not exist is a diversion and they are letting the global elite responsible for this "plandemic" off the hook.
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On 8/7/2021 at 11:19 AM, Thoth001 said:
This guy has been struck off from being a doctor and is now an unlicensed health coach.
Hardly a reliable source.
https://calmatters.org/health/2021/02/conspiracy-theory-doctor-surrenders-medical-license/
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1 hour ago, Thoth001 said:
Both in law and in science, the virus does NOT exist.
I have said many times that I know it hasn't been isolated or purified but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
No virus including measles has never been isolated or purified but it doesn't mean the measles virus doesn't exist.
David Icke has shown how easy it is to lead people up the garden path with his mantra from a few other outliers that Terrain Theory is viable.
They are doing the anti-lockdown movement harm with this very, very fringe view as they bring derision upon themselves.
This is measles. You can see the evidence. If viruses do not exist what is causing the measles rash which can lead to blindness?
(I do not agree with vaccinations before you ask).
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10 hours ago, Beaujangles said:
They have been named many times in these forums
Then it should be easy for you to name them here now.
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2 hours ago, Thoth001 said:
Not to mention, not everybody is right 100% of the time
I too have had to research about viruses from October 2019 when the hysterical media started to mis-report what was happening in Wuhan and then Italy.
David Icke originally said back then that Covid19 was caused by 5G.
He has now been seduced by a handful of people like Stefan Lanka, David Crowe, Andrew Kaufman, Thomas Cowan, Sally Fallon Morell, Sam Bailey, etc. who all have books to sell (some of whom have no virus expertise) that ALL viruses don't exist due to Terrain Theory over Germ Theory.
This is such a very, very fringe view.
They are saying that all the tens of thousands of highly qualified virologists in the world don't know what they are doing.
They are saying that the hundreds of bio-labs around the world are working on viruses which don't exist.
They are saying that "Gain of Function" can't happen because viruses don't exist.
They are saying that the US military, spooks and the Dr Strangeloves who work for them are all misguided in wanting to weaponize viruses because "viruses don't exist".
You're right, David Icke is not right 100% of the time.
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13 hours ago, Beaujangles said:
There are multiple virologists, immunologists and doctors who are speaking out about this being a very unlikely `virus`
Name them.
Many Covid patients who go on a ventilator are suffering from Hypoxia and I have already quoted Dr Cameron Kyle-Sidell.
Way back in May 2020 writing in The New York Times, Dr. Levitan, with 30 years of emergency medicine experience, notes “A vast majority of Covid pneumonia patients I met had remarkably low oxygen saturations at triage" ie Hypoxia.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7397783/
I'm not the slightest bit interested if David Icke agrees with me or not, my concern is that he is harming the anti-lockdown movement and alienating the general public who we need to persuade that this so-called pandemic is nowhere near as bad as governments are saying it is by holding his very, very fringe view that all viruses don't exist.
We could have more of the public on board if David Icke acknowledged that the virus is real and manufactured in a lab.
I agree with 99% of what David says but his fundamental point of the SARS-CoV-2 virus and all other viruses like measles, flu and the common cold do not exist is failing to engage the publics imagination and support.
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2 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said:
Don't get me wrong, I believe that some people have been getting sick with 'something', but I am inclined to believe that a lot of deaths have been caused unneccessarily due to the eagerness amongst medical workers to 'misdiagnose' every illness and ailment as 'Covid'.
Yes that has been happening a lot but the sheer number of hypercania and hypoxia cases are, as you say, caused by something.
In 2009 David Icke said that the global elite would release a "manufactured virus".
Now he is saying that no viruses including measles and the common cold exist.
In his recent speech at Trafalgar Square David praised Piers Corbyn. Piers Corbyn believes the virus exists but the hysteria around this virus which is only as deadly as a bad flu season is a "hoax".
This is a much more believable position.
A new coronavirus "manufactured" in a lab from which it escaped or (more likely) deliberately released.
Hysterical media reports.
Over reporting of deaths caused by this new virus.
Brainwashing the public to believe it is a lot worse than it is.
Bring in draconian measures to "reset" society.
A huge wealth surge towards the greedy 1% at the expense of the rest.
Experimental injections and boosters for the future of mankind with unknown harms.
And yet David clings to the very, very fringe view of Terrain Theory over Germ Theory that no viruses exist not even measles or the common cold.
I just wish he would revert back to his more believable and original prophesy that a "manufactured virus" would be deliberately released by the global elite.
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20 hours ago, Beaujangles said:
Not sure what it's gonna take for you to bite the bullet and admit defeat...BUT
Are you a doctor?
This guy is ......
There was the famous video by Dr Cameron Kyle-Sidell early on where he described COVID-19 as “a disease that does not make sense to us — a disease for which our usual treatment does not work.”
“Some are questioning whether this is a lung disease causing blood problems or a blood disease causing lung problems,” he said.
“I don’t know what it is, but I know that I have never seen it before. People are dying of a disease we don’t understand,.”
Kyle-Sidell has also said that “COVID-19 lung disease, as far as I can see, is not a pneumonia” but seems to be “some kind of viral-induced disease most resembling high altitude sickness.”Millions of health professionals around the world are treating patients with symptoms that they have not seen before.
I would rather believe them than a handful of fringe commentators who all have books to sell and the gullible people who follow them.
Therefore the virus is real and new.
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On todays Dot Connector once again David Icke repeats his claim that the SARS-CoV-2 virus does not exist. He asks the question “what are people dying from?” and he states it is from the flu and other comorbidities NOT Covid19.
However, many of the Covid deaths are down to hypercania and hypoxia which are unusual and specific symptoms to Covid which doctors who are actually treating the patients have noted.
Perhaps David Icke should explain his thoughts on what caused these people to die from hypercania and hypoxia if the virus doesn’t exist?
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Just now, Grumpy Owl said:
Well they would do of course.
A plumber is not likely to get much work if they don't believe that water exists...
So you think millions of virologists, scientist, epidemiologists and doctors around the world believe that viruses do NOT exist but they are just pretending they do to remain in work? LOL
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Just now, Basket Case said:
Did your fake virus cross over to the West..?Was the article you provided correct ?
As I just said they didn't think it would cross over to the West but it did.
The article is more plausible than there being no virus.
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26 minutes ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:
Geoff hasn't been having any more joy convincing people in the OffGuardian comments section about there being a deadly virus on the loose, nor about the lab-leak theory.
https://off-guardian.org/2021/06/20/what-i-know-and-dont-know-about-sars-cov-2/
As you have shown some of the numpties on here unfortunately also frequent OffGuardian.
I haven't been saying it's a overly deadly virus I am saying that the deaths it has caused proves it's existence.
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1 hour ago, Basket Case said:
Why.....? Because releasing a real virus would be dangerous for the Global Cult. They wouldn't be able to control it..
And talking of control......they don't need anything to make it 'easier to control the media'.
They OWN the Media , lock, stock and barrel.
If you had bothered reading the link it stated that the Dr Strangeloves in the US assumed it would be like SARS and not cross over to the West.
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1 hour ago, Basket Case said:
A high tech bioweapon that is as dangerous as Flu ???????
It caused great harm to the people of China and their economy.
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22 minutes ago, Basket Case said:
Where do you think this 'new' virus came from ?As I have said many times the new virus has probably come from gain of function research at a bio weapons lab, possibly Fort Detrick in the US and used against China and Iran as described in this article. https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/the-covid-bioweapon-made-in-the-usa-aimed-at-china/
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2 hours ago, Beaujangles said:
And still you keep going without anything to back your claim. At least with the ones saying no virus they show why they believe it... You just state it as fact - yet it is clear it has not been isolated - there are no more deaths and the symptoms are no different to the flu at best...which has miraculously disappeared... why keep going? Come back when you can prove your point! ( I wont hold my breath)
Millions of virologists, scientist, epidemiologists and doctors around the world believe viruses exist.
A handful of individuals with books to sell say viruses do not exist and you choose the latter.
No viruses have been truly isolated but it doesn't mean the common cold virus doesn't exist.
The statistics clearly show there has been more deaths than usual.
Doctors have said they haven't seen these symptoms before.
Flu has been subsumed by the more virulent SARS-CoV-2 virus as I have already explained twice before with a link to the article.
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2 hours ago, Basket Case said:
You believe this is new and not re-labeled ?
And you believe this is worse than normal yearly Flu ?
It's new and has a similar mortality rate to a very bad flu season.
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5 minutes ago, Basket Case said:
Can you be clear by what you mean by this.
A virus ?
THE virus ?
New virus ?
Existing virus re-labeled ?Thanks..
SARS-CoV-2
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2 hours ago, Daithi said:
For me, the death "spike" in 2020 is completely explained by the covid-19 care pathway including Midazolam. The disease outbreak is shrouded in bullshit but in amongst it is failure of immune systems to cope with the 5G rollout amping up the radiation of 21st century toxins and lifestyle stresses we are drowning in day after shitty day.
A simpler explanation is a virus as David Icke predicted in 2009 before he was seduced by Kaufman with his fringe theory that there is no such thing as a virus of any type including measles, flu and the common cold.
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1 hour ago, Mr H said:
I did also hear (but didn't check for myself) that 2019 had a relatively low flu death rate and 2020 there was an expected "catch up" of mortalities expected.
If you believe that the flu virus exists then you believe that viruses are real.
Many on here don't believe ANY virus exists.
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2 hours ago, Basket Case said:
No.
Complete and utter bollox.
All decided by the bullshit PCR test which is totally being misused..?
You think the PCR can identify the Covid19 that you think is real, when you admit that the virus (in your case - covid19) hasn't been isolated properly . (lt's just a computer model)
And masks cannot and do not stop microscopic pieces of 'bio-mass' - flu or the so called 'new virus' from escaping....they just spead other respiratory diseases, like pneumonia.I agree the PCR test is useless and masks don't work.
That has nothing to do with whether the virus exists or not.
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6 minutes ago, Basket Case said:
Do you realise just how daft that sounds ?
:O)No viruses have ever been isolated including measles, flu and every other virus.
No viruses adhere to Koch's Postulates which was written before viruses were discovered and before Germ Theory was written.
This doesn't mean viruses do not exist.
Measles exist, flu exists etc. etc.
SARS-CoV-2 exists.
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29 minutes ago, Basket Case said:
The virus ?
A virus ?
Which virus ?
lf there are viruses, then where has the Flu gone ?
When saying 'no virus' l believe it's a statement along the lines of --->
" There is no new virus - no Wuhan released bioweapon - no virus that has now been given the name XYZ - it's this years Flu "
If you admit the existence of flu which is a virus then you are admitting that viruses exist.
The flu virus has temporarily disappeared because the more dominant Sars-Cov-2 has subsumed it within itself as explained in this article. https://medium.com/illumination-curated/the-unexpected-case-of-the-disappearing-flu-64fd1fa5e909
David Icke's claim that 'there is no virus'?
in David Icke Discussion
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Fake news.
"Alberta did not drop COVID-19 restrictions due to a rejected subpoena that asked for proof the virus had been isolated. The province still has some COVID-19 restrictions in place."
"Alberta dropped mandatory quarantine requirements for close contacts of COVID-19 cases on July 28, 2021. Hinshaw told a news conference the province needed to scale back the focus on COVID-19 so resources can be deployed to tackle other respiratory illnesses that are likely to climb in the fall"
It was nothing to do with this Canadian man's court case.
Although Reuters have ties to Big Pharma the truth of that case is shown in this article although they are wrong to say the virus has been isolated.
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-alberta-case-idUSL1N2PE0EX