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  1. 20 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

     

    Whose "facts" though?

     

    I do seriously note with interest that this particular thread is the only one you ever participate in, despite being someone who supposedly has followed David Icke and believes/supports much of what he has previously said/written.

     

    Despite what you insist, you're coming across like a gatekeeper to me. Prove me wrong, or be gone from here.

    Virology is an exact science.

    Viruses existing is a provable fact.

    I'm quite happy to believe in abstract concepts and theories and that is why I've been following David Icke for 20 years.

    I'll send you a photograph of all his books I have if you like and a photo of my Wembley ticket.

    With all the questions I have to answer on this thread doesn't give me much time to contribute on any other thread.

    As I agree with 99% of what David Icke says I cannot add much to the debate as David has said it all.

    I am constantly backing David on other forums that are hostile to him.

    Pointing out David's mistake of listening to Kaufman a self confessed Natural Healing Consultant and Psychiatrist for an important subject of the existence of viruses during a "Plandemic" and a Global Elite hoax doesn't make me a gatekeeper.

    He has admitted the existence of viruses previously in his books and videos but now he has changed his mind that they no longer exist.

    If he wanted some advice on viruses he should listen instead to people like Judy Mikovits, Mike Yeadon and Andrew Wakefield.

  2. 1 hour ago, kilowon said:

    Na Zhu et al. (NEJM): “[We show] an image of sedimented virus particles, not purified ones”                           Wan Beom Park et al. (Journal of Korean Medical Science): “We did not obtain an electron micrograph showing the degree of purification”

    Myung-Guk Han et al. (Osong Public Health and Research Perspectives): “We could not estimate the degree of purification because we do not purify and concentrate the virus cultured in cells

    Leo L. M. Poon; Malik Peiris (Nature Medicine): “The image is the virus budding from an infected cell. It is not purified virus

    Sharon R. Lewin et al. (The Medical Journal of Australia): ““The nucleic acid extraction was performed on isolate material recovered from infected cells. This material was not centrifuged, so was not purified through sucrose gradient to have a density band as such. The EM images were obtained directly from cell culture material

    All these quotes come from the first papers that claimed to have discovered the sarscov2. Even the virologist themselves are admitting that their processes for discovering the virus, were at the very least, incomplete.

    There are literally tens of thousands of scientific papers which confirm the original findings of the very first Zhu rushed paper.

    Lanka has NO paper describing his fringe view and so-called experiment.

  3. 29 minutes ago, Nobby Noboddy said:

    I don't think Lanka is a fraud. He invested his own time effort and money to provide a verifiable proof that the very process to 'isolate' a virus creates what they identify as a virus - DOH!

    Where does Lanka get his money from?

    He publishes a monthly magazine, runs a website with advertising revenue, sells books and offers pills, lotions and potions all to the gullible.

    He can afford top lawyers to appeal a court decision where he had to cough up 100,000 euros to a lowly poor medical student who proved to the court that the measles virus exists. Lanka got off on a legal technicality.

    Lanka has no written verifiable proof that viruses do not exist because he knows it will be torn to shreds by people who understand viruses.

    Lanka is a fraud.

  4. 1 hour ago, Grumpy Owl said:

     

    And I go back to what I have said previously, in that 'all these people' with their 'virology knowledge' are never going to turn round and admit that viruses don't exist, because then they would lose any credibility they ever had.

     

    If you've ever really followed or read any of David Icke's work, you should know what he means when he talks about "The System". People heaviliy ingrained into, or invested in, The System, rarely break ranks.

     

    People like Kaufman, Lanka and Cowan that you keep mentioning may well be frauds, I don't know.

     

    But you are never going to get any support for their theories from 'system experts', who have their own vested interests in maintaining the status quo.

     

    Like I said, it all comes down to what you yourself believe. You can choose to believe that David Icke is wrong and that viruses exist, because 'virologists say they do'.

     

    It's like saying that someone is wrong when they say that 'God doesn't exist', because 'thousands of vicars and priests' believe that God does exist.

     

    Well, "they would say that".

    Modern virology is a highly complex discipline with it's own terminology.

    Because it is difficult to understand it is easy for charlatans to make outrageous claims which sound appealing to those who haven't researched the undisputed facts.

    Every claim that Lanka, Kaufman, Cowan and their proxies have made have been countered by facts.

    Not one scientist or medic involved in exposing the Covid scam supports the fringe view that viruses do not exist.

    Mike Yeadon, Judy Mikovits, Andrew Wakefied et al have nothing else to lose as their careers have already been ruined by "the system".

    So it's not just "system" scientists it's also scientists outside the "system" who don't agree with Lanka, Kaufman, Cowan et al.

    David Icke is wrong not because of my belief system but because of the indisputable facts.

  5. 2 hours ago, ink said:

     

    Sorry but I did stop reading your post at that point!

     

    They have their whole life's belief system to lose!

     

    They would, literally, need to determine that all they had thought 'true' has been and was a lie .... very much to lose in my opinion .... in essence, their entire consideration of their life!

    Many retired medical professionals are now questioning the whole Covid narrative now they are not worried about being sacked.

    Many retired climate scientists are now speaking out about the whole Global Warming narrative.

    Not one retired scientist has questioned whether viruses exist because they know it is bunkum.

  6. 2 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said:

     

    We have other topics for people to discuss these subjects in more detail:

     

     

    Also, as an alternative, have a look into German New Medicine:

     

    I don't see any further purpose to this thread, which like others is just going round in circles, regurgitating the same arguments over and over.

     

    Many people are questioning 'big pharma' and the aims of the 'health industry', thus it is only natural that some will become sceptical when it comes to viruses.

     

    As I pointed out earlier in this thread, 'expert virologists' will never turn around and admit they are wrong, after all their livelihood and their career is all based around their belief, or what they have been educated (programmed) to believe.

     

    I'm no doctor or scientist, but it is my belief that they could all be wrong about such things.

     

    David Icke believes there are no viruses, as do others, and equally there are many people who do believe viruses exist.

    No one with an ounce of modern virology knowledge,  including thousands of retired scientists with nothing to lose, believes that viruses do not exist.

    Even alternative scientists like Rupert Sheldrake has conventional views on Covid.

    Hardly any scientist bothers to counter Lanka, Kaufman and Cowan because their ideas are so ridiculous they are not worth the effort.

    I'm quite happy to have alternative views on any subject but when those views can be easily countered by facts and science it is time to abandon them for the bunk that they are.

    It's a shame that charlatans like Lanka, Kaufman and Cowan have seduced people in the alternative media like David Icke, Jon Rappaport, Mike Adams et al with their nonsense.

    I'm beginning to believe that Kaufman with his Svengali like influence using his psychiatrist skills and NLP has deliberately divided the alternative media and is the one who is a shill.

    Either that, or just like the rest of them, he is just in it to make money off of the gullible.

  7. 8 minutes ago, kilowon said:

    I know exactly where you got that wall of text from. Do you ever post anything that is your own opinion or based on your own research? Bot like behaviour. And what exactly is a proper scientist. Is it someone who work at the behest of big pharma? Is it someone taking grant money from Bill gates and the likes? So are we saying now that virus can be infected by bacteria? How does that even work? And how is fetal cow serum or dye benign. Now about the controls for the zhou et al paper since you said they are always done

     

    One small paragraph is from someone else the rest is mine.

    Lanka is a fraud.

    The Zhou paper was the very first where they were rushed to get it published as the world was facing a pandemic of unknown proportions. We have since learnt it's not much of a pandemic.

    Thousands of other papers have been published since showing their protocols and the results were the same as Zhou.

    Lanka has produced nothing.

  8. 13 hours ago, kilowon said:

    I have already post the video where Lanka showed his experiment.

    Lanka can't even produce a paper for proper scientists to read and try to replicate to see if they come up with the same results. 

    Stefan Lanka's much hyped CPE CONTROL EXPERIMENT itself lacks a positive control, ignores that mock-infected cells do show specific damage over time, and that controls are used properly in science. That in no way implies the non-existence of viruses.

    A typical viral experiment in simple terms involves a living cell with a virus of interest attached (viruses can NOT be isolated and purified in the dictionary sense of the words and this has always been known by virologists).
    This is in a suspension of benign nutrients to keep the cell and the virus alive and antibiotics to alleviate the possibility of bacterial infection.
    This is exposed to another cell which does not have a virus attached and if that cell shows a particular degree of degradation then they know that the virus has jumped to the other cell and has infected it.
    A control is done via “mock-Infection” whereby the same experiment is done with the exact same ingredients apart from the fact that the cell used does NOT have a virus attached.
    Any degradation of the exposed cell will be different to that of the original cell to a trained eye so they know that the first experiment involved a viral attack of the introduced cell and the control “mock-infection” is natural degradation over time.
     

  9. 1 hour ago, kilowon said:

    No they do not. Why are you lying?

    Why would I lie?

    Scientists always do a control.

    They also write up their experiments in scientific papers so that other scientists can replicate their work to see if they achieve the same results.

    The papers are also peer reviewed.

    Unlike Lanka, Kaufman and Cowan and those in the alternative media who have been hoodwinked by their nonsense.

    I'm still waiting for you to show me the scientific experiment that you said Lanka has supposed to have done to refute Germ Theory???????

  10. 27 minutes ago, kilowon said:

    It is dishonest to say that virologist use zero or minimum amount of contaminants when you know very well that this is not the case. They use antibiotics, fetal calf serum, milk and about every other chemical you can think of when running their experiment and almost never do any control. 

    They use the minimum amount of substrates to achieve a meaningful result and ALWAYS use a control.

  11. 1 hour ago, zArk said:

    Hold on, I am not saying that scientists using very technical tools and methodologies can't produce a result that can be theoretically extrapolated but I am saying that all these tests and experiments use processes and chemicals that interfere and create the results. 

     

    Dealing with dead tissue has its own problems before it is processed

     

     

     

     

    Scientists use zero or the minimum amount of contaminants possible to achieve a true result otherwise they would end up with a false result which is of no use to anyone.

    Unless of course you think that millions of scientists all over the world are falsifying every result just to perpetuate your perceived myth that viruses do not exist.

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  12. 49 minutes ago, zArk said:

     

    The entire procedure used to prove infection and contagion is designed to create the end result i,e

     

    using a serum combined with antifungals and added antibiotics they add it to kidney cells.

     

    to make it worse they use specific antibiotics gentamicin and amphotericin which are known to damage kidneys.

     

    so , yes, they create poison concoction but claim 'its the virus' that destroys the kidney cells

     

    what a joke

    You don't need to add all those items to prove infection and contagion.

    A single cell with an attached viral particle can be shown to infect another single cell.

  13. 10 minutes ago, zArk said:

    only with use of added poison which caused cellular deterioration. prior attempts without added poison produced zero results

     

    not once, ever, has the contagion/ infection theory been proven for a virus

     

    pollution and toxins however have been proven to cause poisoning, cell death and illness

    Define poison?

    It is common knowledge that viruses can only exist on a cell.

    Therefore to infect a different healthy cell with a virus that virus has to be attached to another cell.

    Why is the cell the virus is attached to a poison?

  14. 5 hours ago, whatastrangegame said:

    Wow, this has really turned into a shouting match. I hope all involved do see that no one is even close to convincing the other?

     

    But I must say that the most important part is overlooked. I guess everyone can agree that there I something microscopic that can be found, call it virus or exosome, that doesn't matter. The question is if this "thing" is moved from one individual to another, does the other individual get sick in the same way as the first? From what I have understood they did some experiments long ago where sick people coughed and sneezed och healthy people, and they even injected pus from the sick into the healthy, but they were unable to make them sick? I don't know if this experiment has been done again, but wouldn't that be the proof that is needed for the virus-theory to be correct?

    Some people shout others use reasoned debate.

    It's not just about convincing someone who has a cult like religious zealotry towards a particular opinion it is also about refuting totally bogus claims with "facts".

    I am happy to change my opinion when new indisputable "facts" become available.

    I watched the two hour David Icke interview on London Real all those months and months ago and what he said was believable to those who do not understand modern virology.

    I realised there was little substance to what he was saying and he had been hoodwinked by Lanka, Kaufman and Cowan who are using a quirk of nature (viruses can not be isolated) to self promote and sell their books, fund their websites and sell their dubious pills, lotions and potions.

    However, David Icke was right when he said in that interview that 5G may be a cause of Covid. I believe exposure to 5G may lower ones immune system but is not the main cause of Covid.

    He was also right when he said that people with or dying of flu are being misdiagnosed with Covid. I disagree that it is everyone being misdiagnosed but it has happened in some cases.

    Viruses are similar but different to exosomes.

    Cells with viruses have been shown to infect other cells millions of times.

    It doesn't happen every time but it shows that viruses can move from one person to another depending on their immune system.

    People with Covid are infecting some other people who end up with the same symptoms depending on their immune system.

    Viruses exist.

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  15. 3 hours ago, zArk said:

    pleomorphic organisms are discovered in live blood. Bacteria, fungus, virus  are interchangeable cellular forms

     

    Allopathic medicine compartmentalises and categorises disease and illness. There are hidden, ignored and not recognised overlap between illnesses.

     

    COVID19 overlaps with Flu, the common cold and 'silent hypoxia'. 

     

    100+ years have yet to produce scientific evidence of contagion or infection.

     

    https://khn.org/morning-breakout/dr00017448/

     

    not one AIDS patient (immune deficient) was infected wtih SARS (highly contagious)

     

    they do try to prove their theories using people as lab experiemtns

     

     

     

     

     

    Covid-19, the flu and the common cold may have similar symptoms but many who are hospitalized with Covid have hypoxia and hypercania which is more of a blood/oxygen problem not seen so much or in the same numbers as those hospitalized by flu and rarely seen in the common cold.

    Also, the 3 different viruses that cause Covid-19, flu and the common cold each have totally different gene sequences.

    Viruses have been shown to infect other cells countless times ie "scientific evidence of contagion or infection" but not 100% of the time. Some people get infected, some don't. It depends on each individual persons immune system.

    Viruses exist.

  16. 1 hour ago, zArk said:

    immunity is a big con. disease and germ theory is guff

     

    the body breakdowns and cells become toxic due to environment, chemical, emotional, physical stress. The body repairs itself constantly. Sometimes the repairs require the massive expulsion of dead body material resulting in what is called symptoms.

     

     

     

    Environment, chemical, emotional, physical stress lowers the body's immunity allowing viruses to take hold.

     

  17. 1 hour ago, MarcusOmouse said:

    Having read pages and pages of this back and forth stuff, It is clear to me that viruses do exist.

     

    If only iInsofaras  that is  their mainstream label

     

    How do we better describe a biological defence system which the psychopathic, lying, mass murdering pharmaceutical industry define  as a  poison in order to give you very real poisons in the name of a cure ?

     

     

     

    Yes viruses exist and the Covid experimental jab may be one of the greatest crimes against humanity.

  18. Just now, kilowon said:

    Read again: 

    The defendant submitted in the first instance that

    the publications submitted did not meet the requirements set by the claim. The existence of the measles virus must be proven by a publication by the R ...- K ...- Institute (hereinafter: RKI), which is responsible for this in accordance with Section 4 of the Infection Protection Act (IfSG). This already results from the fact that with regard to the claim made in Germany, the rules of the IfSG specially created here for the demonstration in the area of infectious diseases should be applied. From the context of the award, its purpose clearly emerges to the effect that it should be clarified whether a documentation of the RKI corresponding to K ... 's postulate of the isolation of the pathogen is available.

    That is a resume of Lanka's submission.

    It is NOT a judgement.

  19. 1 minute ago, kilowon said:

    read the court document and you will see that that was not the only defence that Lanka was ready to challenge the court with. One part of his defence was to have RKI run control experiment to show the reality or not of virus. Once the court realized what that could mean for Rockefeller's medicine they caved. They wanted rid of him as quickly as possible. 

    The Judges decided in Lanka's favour due to a legal technicality and the judges admitted that viruses exist.

    There is nothing to stop Lanka paying to have that experiment done.

    I wonder why he doesn't.

     

  20. 18 minutes ago, kilowon said:

    Mirkovits is another big pharma shill, typical of virologist and their made up science, she used lots of big sciency words to try and confused her opponent. And Kaufmann was having none of it. If you understand what you are talking about, it should be easy for you to explained what you do to a layman without resorting to specialist term which you know your audience are unlikely to understand in the most. That practice is usually the sign of someone lying or having no clue what they are talking about. BTW, i have been a terrain theory proponent for a while now. I studied the likes of Bechamps/Bernard and Lanka. Cowan and Kaufmann themselves will be the first to admit that they are newcomers to the concept that virus do not exist. Hell, even Mirkovits does not believe sarscov2 has ever been isolated. So if virus cannot be isolated then why keep using the word isolation? So all the so called virions floating about in droplets only exist within a cell? Virologist have never isolate any viruses as they do not exist and the only way you can isolate anything is to seperate it from everything else, otherwise it is not isolation. The fact that virology have to constantly change dictionary meaning of words should tell you all you need to know about this made up and extremely lucrative psuedoscience

     

    As Mikovits says and as I have been saying since Page one of this thread you cannot separate a virus from a cell, viruses only exist in cells.

    Kaufman admitted he didn't understand the virological language so how on earth can he state that viruses don't exist if he doesn't understand modern virology.

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