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  1. Brits Who Post “False Information” About Vaccines Could Be Jailed For Two Years People in the UK who post “false information” about vaccines online could face two years in prison under a new law. Yes, really. The Online Safety Bill, described as “the flagship legislation to combat abuse and hatred on the internet” has faced fierce criticism from civil liberties groups for its broad overreach. The law would create a “knowingly false communication” offence which, according to the Times, “will criminalise those who send or post a message they know to be false with the intention to cause emotional, psychological, or physical harm to the likely audience”. Government sources gave the example of antivaxers spreading false information that they know to be untrue.” Given that authorities have deemed all kinds of information about the pandemic and vaccines “false” that later turned out to be true, this is a chilling prospect. For example, claims that vaccines are not fully effective in stopping the spread of COVID-19 would have once been deemed “false,” but that position is now a proven fact. The bill would also change the current stricter standard of “indecent” or “grossly offensive” content to the much broader definition of “harmful effect” when deciding if a post or a message is criminal. This is more in line with UK hate speech laws that determine whether an act of hate speech or a “hate incident” has been committed not on the basis of whether or not it actually happened, but on the basis of the supposed victim feeling like they’ve been targeted. “The new offences will include sol-called “pile-ons” where a number of individuals join others in sending harassing messages to a victim on social media,” reports the Times. And if you think that will stop those of a certain political leaning who routinely form “pile-ons” against conservatives for expressing dissenting opinions, think again. It will be selectively enforced against people who criticize or make fun of those deemed “oppressed minorities,” despite such groups having the full backing of the state and every cultural institution (the alphabet people). The Online Harms Bill is being amplified with the help of relentless propaganda about black football players being abused online, despite the fact that most of the abuse originates abroad, mainly from Middle Eastern countries.
  2. What makes you think we aren't getting organised? Do you think we'd post such information on a public forum?
  3. I wouldnt mind seeing a plane go down on certain historic buildings in Westminster. Many, many more lives would be saved than lost.
  4. Get this ... From an article posted on TCW Defending Freedom ... Link: https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/the-professor-the-government-should-be-listening-to/ Now that paints a different story, doesn't it, and it's the one I'm inclined to believe.
  5. Tell me, are you against a foetal cell line being produced by cutting organs from LIVE, healthy, supposedly 'aborted' babies, WITHOUT ANAESTHETIC? If so, then there's your answer ... decline on religious, conscientious, ethical grounds. Don't crawl to them and ASK for an exemption though just wait until they try to force it on you.
  6. Look, there are two sides to any argument: YOUR side and THE RIGHT side! Post us some figures and scientific papers that support your point of view, don't just bang on about everyone else being wrong.
  7. You do realise that you have signed yourself up to a lifetime of 'booster' shots, don't you? Otherwise you'll be labelled an anti-vaxxer if you stop taking them. As for saying the evidence is not credible, IT'S THE GOVERNMENT'S OWN DATA! Still, each to their own and I bear you no ill will. Everyone must lie (die?) in the bed they make.
  8. From 'Letters to the Editor,' TCW Defending Freedom site ... Where has the common cold gone? Dear Editor In a world of mass hypochondria, where has the common cold gone? Nowhere is the answer. According to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention the average adult has 2 or 3 colds per year. Children more. We know this already. The common cold can lead to pneumonia and other complications, especially in the vulnerable. Recognise anything? It is incurable, as we all know. We can ease symptoms and ride it out but we all have to live with it. So have we cured it? It has strangely disappeared along with many other mild complaints we live with. In a nation paralysed with fear, every cough, sneeze, fever or headache means only one thing. Covid-19! Tests Tests Tests! The only symptom unique to Covid, however, is suffering terrifying flashbacks of horror. Images of the ‘dying’ and now an unshiftable belief in mass media lies, graphs and images. Sage, Government and the mass media wove their hysterical narrative into our minds over many months – a brilliant and highly effective medicine. In the real world of an autumn in England kids are sneezing and coughing as normal. It’s always been the way as they build up their lifelong immunity. Except that this time the world around them has lost all reason. Diane Roche
  9. You can, of course, but you can't eat gold. Would you swap your precious food for a useless bag of gold once the system has collapsed and we are all trying our best to survive? Gold may well serve as a means of barter between the elites but it will have zero value to a family with dwindling foodstocks. The only sensible barters would be food, medicine, or weapons for other food, or medicine, or weapons. That's just my opinion. No one knows for sure how this is all going to pan out in the end.
  10. Fiat, crypto, gold, silver, .............................. None of this will buy essential foods or medicines when we have to survive in the wild. Barter or murder will be the only forms of exchange. Just saying.
  11. Meanwhile, back in the real world ... HUNDREDS of patients in Glasgow are having face-to-face hospital appointments cancelled or rescheduled in a bid to reduce road traffic during COP26 https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19665001.cop26-glasgow-face-to-face-doctors-appointments-reduced/
  12. Would you by a flame-grilled burger from a chef with no eyebrows?
  13. The elites have always controlled the plebs by having a system where all new money is created by debt. You can bet your life that any 'new' system will also have populace control built in, no matter what this system is based on. Apologies for continuing this off-topic conversation.
  14. You have a lot more faith in this than I do Hell, it's nigh on 120 years since the car windscreen wiper was invented and still there's nothing to replace it. AI may be able to play a cracking game of chess, or automatically remove the background from an image in Photoshop, but it's nowhere near replacing, or exceeding, human intelligence (apart from the thick twats in government).
  15. To be honest, I think the cabal have made a huge error in their hopes of relying on AI. I don't believe AI is as advanced as they think, there are still many problems with it.
  16. Please bookmark the original article I provided in the link above for future reference. You never know when you might need this information.
  17. Ok guys, I make no apologies for this long post as I believe it ESSENTIAL that everyone reads this important article in its entirety. Please pass on to everyone you know. Thank you. Warning: some upsetting, but nevertheless vitally important facts are presented here. Link to original article: https://www.cbruk.org/what_the_hek What the HEK?! FEB 09, 2021 | CHRISTIAN HACKING What is HEK 293? HEK 293 is a human cell line created using a kidney from a dissected unborn baby in the Netherlands between 1972 and 1973. It is the second most common cell line and is used extensively in “pharmaceutical and biomedical research”. It is also used in vaccine creation and cancer research. How is it used in Covid vaccines? HEK 293 was used in the production of all three Covid vaccines currently available in the UK, in one of three ways: It was used, along with other human cell lines, to develop a genetically engineered spike protein (that the mRNA vaccine codes for) in the original development stage of the vaccine.1 The ‘new technology’ Pfizer vaccine and the Moderna Vaccine were tested on HEK 293 before they began human trials. This testing is ongoing for all new batches.2 Finally the ‘old technology’ Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine grew a weakened viral strain in HEK 293 cell culture, which was then sifted and refined before use, leaving only tiny cell components and DNA debris.3 What does HEK 293 stand for? Its name has two components. Firstly, the HEK stands for “Human Embryonic Kidney”. The kidney in question was dissected from a healthy Dutch baby girl of unknown origin by the team at Leiden University in the Netherlands in 1972. Despite the inclusion of the term “embryonic” in the title, the baby in question was probably 12-13 weeks old when she was killed so as to secure functioning kidney cells.4 The man in charge of the research was named Alex Jan Van der Eb; he is still alive and still based in Holland. When questioned on the matter by the FDA in 2001, Dr Van der Eb confirmed it was an intentional abortion of a ‘fetus’ but gave a hazy details of the exact experiments. “So the kidney material, the fetal kidney material was as follows: the kidney of the fetus was, with an unknown family history, obtained in 1972 probably. The precise date is not known anymore. The fetus, as far as I can remember, was completely normal. Nothing was wrong. The reasons for the abortion were unknown to me. I probably knew it at that time, but it got lost, all this information”.5 He also confirmed doing the dissection personally stating: “Both cell lines [HEK 293 and PER.C6] were made in my lab, and also the cells, the starting material, was prepared by myself at the University of Leiden”.6 The 293 stands for the number of experiments it took another researcher, a Canadian named Frank Graham, to genetically engineer the cells to grow indefinitely in an artificial environment. He did this using a novel method known as the “calcium technique”. The cell line that resulted was robust, fast growing, easy to transect with foreign DNA and able to produce large amounts of recombinant protein. The final characteristic made it highly desirable in vaccine production.7 How were the HEK cells originally obtained? Due to the conveniently missing records it is impossible to say exactly how the HEK cells were originally obtained or how many unborn baby “specimens” were required in total. However this does not mean nothing is known. On 27th October 2003, ethicist Alvin Wong wrote to Dr Van der Eb by email, seeking to clarify the matter. Dr Van der Eb confirmed the records had been lost, consistent with the FDA above statement but also admitted to working with tissue from both induced abortion and spontaneous abortion.8 Using this information many have assumed the best of the HEK line, suggesting that it could have been from a natural miscarriage however a more careful assessment of fetal tissue procurement techniques for other fetal cell lines, makes this a blindly optimistic reading. This is because extracting and growing living cells is incredibly difficult. In order to give oneself the best chance of success you need to ensure the child is healthy, fresh, intact and sterile. As one embryologist and Emeritus Professor of Anatomy confirms: "In order to sustain 95% of the cells, the live tissue would need to be preserved within 5 minutes of the abortion. Within an hour the cells would continue to deteriorate, rendering the specimens useless."9 WI-38 Another common cell line, used in the MMR vaccine, is WI-38. Like HEK 293, the title tells us a lot about its origins. WI stands for the Wistar Institute, a research facility in Pennsylvania. 38 denotes the number of experiments that were conducted on unborn babies in order to create it. Its creation gives us a revealing insight into the process used. According to the WI-38 Wikipedia page, the mother did not give consent before the baby was used. Unborn babies chosen specifically for this purpose The first thing to note is that these abortions were planned. While it is possible that the corpse of miscarried babies may have been dissected by Dr Van der Eb, it is highly unlikely their body parts were helpful in the production of HEK 293 because miscarried babies are less likely to be healthy and you cannot predict when they will be birthed. This becomes clear when assessing WI-38. Answering questions about WI-38, the lead researcher in the US, Leonard Hayflick, confirmed his colleague in Sweden, Dr Sven Gard, had carefully chosen the unborn baby based on its health. Writing in a medical Q and A paper he stated: “This fetus was chosen by Dr Sven Gard, specifically for this purpose. Both parents are known, and unfortunately for the story, they are married to each other, still alive and well, and living in Stockholm, presumably. The abortion was done because they felt they had too many children. There were no familial diseases in the history of either parent, and no history of cancer specifically in the families."10 More recent cell lines like the WalVax 2, confirm the practice to be on going. In the paper accompanying the cell line it stated [emphasis added]: "We obtained 9 fetuses through rigorous screening based on carefully specified inclusion criteria" Unborn babies dissected under specialised conditions Following on from selection, the research team then needs to coordinate the abortionist and technicians to procure intact organs that are alive and sterile. In order for the organs to be at ‘optimal viability’, the child needs to be dissected and organs extracted within 5 minutes of delivery. Anaesthetic also cannot be used so as to not change the cellular activity of the organs the researcher wants to obtain.11 Nature reported, Meredith Wadman casts some ambiguity on these events when she states the “female, 20 centimetres long” was “wrapped in a sterile green cloth” and delivered to the Karolinska Institute in northwest Stockholm”. What she doesn’t specify is there is a large university hospital adjacent to the institute meaning the “delivery” could have taken place in a matter of minutes. Other authoritative testimonies attest this fact. Acclaimed Doctor, Ian Donald, the pioneer of the ultrasound scanner, also claims to have witnessed the WI-38 dissections, conducted at the Karolinska Institute, he described them such: "Experiments were being performed on near-term alive aborted babies who were not even afforded the mercy of anesthetic as they writhed and cried in agony, and when their usefulness had expired, they were executed and discarded as garbage."12 In his dense book "The Foetus As Transplant Donor the Scientific, Social, and Ethical Perspectives", immunologist Dr Peter McCullagh relays detailed descriptions of the methods used on dozens of “fetal tissue donors” from the 1970’s onward, including the deaths of babies between 7 and 26 weeks gestation by decapitations, exposure, dissection and drug testing.13 Gynaecologist and ex-abortionist Dr Bernard Nathanson, relaying his own understanding of abortion, and citing McCullagh’s book claims the Swedish experiments took place thus: “...in Sweden they have been puncturing the sac of a pregnant woman at let us say 14 to 16 weeks, and then they put a clamp on the head of the baby, pull the head down into the neck of the womb, drill a hole into the baby’s head, and then put a suction machine into the brain and suck out the brain cells….. Healthy human fetuses from 7 to 21 weeks from legal abortions were used. This is in Sweden. The conception age was estimated from crown rump length and so on. Fetal liver and kidney were rapidly removed and weighed. Now at 21 weeks, what they were doing, or 18 weeks, or 16 weeks, was what is called prostaglandin abortions. They would inject a substance into the womb. The woman would then go into mini-labor and pass this baby. 50% of the time, the baby would be born alive, but that didn’t stop them. They would just simply open up the abdomen of the baby with no anesthesia, and take out the liver and kidneys, etc.” A research paper from the University of Toronto from June 1952 commenting on the method of their experiments suggests that these techniques were universal with researchers working in close proximity to the abortions. "No macerated specimens were used and in many of the embryos the heart was still beating at the time of receipt in the virus laboratory." Unborn babies delivered by C-section to prevent contamination The third thing to note in the extraction process is sterility. The most skilled abortionists can achieve this to some degree using surgical abortion techniques, however it is thought delivery by caesarean section or hysterectomy to be the abortion “par excellence” for fetal tissue harvesting.14 According to Gonzalo Herranz, former head of the Committee of Medical Ethics of Spanish doctors, the best way to prevent “contamination by microorganisms” is to deliver the child by caesarean section or the removal of the uterus.15 A 1982 review of a history of tissue donation affirms this, and much of the above evidence: "Fetal tissue for transplantation must be 'harvested' within a few minutes of delivery. Ideally this is by hysterectomy, with the fetus delivered in utero. Drugs which reduce fetal physiological activity need to be avoided. The fetus is therefore in as alive and aware a state as possible when being opened." More modern methods, like in the creation of cell line WalVax 2 in 2015 in China, involved inducing a birth and keeping the baby in its own amniotic sac or ‘water bag’ until the moment of dissection. Thirteen years after Dr Alex Van der Eb (working with Dr Graham) created HEK 293, he created a separate cell line named PER.C6 out of a separate unborn child intentionally killed in a social abortion at 18 weeks old. These three factors of parental screening, intact extraction and sterility are inferred in his description of the experiment to the FDA. He states [emphasis added]: “So I isolated the retina from a fetus, from a healthy fetus as far as could be seen, of eighteen weeks old. There was nothing special with the family history or the pregnancy was completely normal up to the eighteen weeks, and it turned out to be a socially indicated abortus—abortus provocatus, and that was simply because the woman wanted to get rid of the fetus”16 The cells in question were isolated, and frozen in liquid nitrogen until 1995, at which point they were thawed “for the generation of the PER.C6 cells”.17 Therefore by examining the creation of other better documented cell lines and by assessing Dr Van der Eb’s own description of a subsequent experiment, it becomes increasingly implausible to suggest that HEK 293 was obtained by ethical means. In his book "The Ethics of HEK 293" Alvin Wong concludes that although there cannot be “moral certainty” around HEK 293: "...it seems more likely that the tissue would be from an induced abortion. The convenience of getting tissue from routine, elective abortions compared to waiting for an unforeseen miscarriage supports this likelihood." How many babies' organs did Dr Van der Eb harvest before the baby girl whose kidney was used to make HEK-293? In the absence of documentation it is not clear how many fresh samples of fetal tissue were required by Frank Graham (and supplied by Alex Van der Eb) in order to achieve his ground breaking cell line. While it is unlikely that 293 unborn babies were dissected in the production of HEK 293, some experts suggest it was over 100.18 While in the absence of hard facts, there can be cause to assume the best, we urge readers instead to consider carefully the implications of other experiments of this nature. We know that in the creation of WI-38, 32 babies were killed and dissected.19 Add in the additional experiments to get the rubella virus and subsequent experiments to test it, and the total comes to 99 unborn babies killed. We also know that at least 5 babies were killed in the production of MRC-5 in 1970 and 9 babies in the production of WalVax 2 in 2015. In light of these facts, small figures seem increasingly unlikely. At the very least we must concede that the notion that the Covid vaccine has arisen in part from “one tragic abortion” is false and can only be held in intentional ignorance to the facts. Footnotes Taken from Children of God for life website: “This US patent describes how they made RNA molecules encoding fusion proteins (like the spike protein) and tested them in development. They used a variety of cell lines, HEK293 among them, but do not specify which cell line they used for the COVID-19 vaccine.” The FDA guidance specifies “that each batch of medication will meet quality standards so they are safe and effective”- by implication this means each new batch will be tested on human cells before dispatch. Deisher et al, 2015, Epidemiologic and Molecular relationship between vaccine Manufacture and Autism Spectrum Disorder Prevalence, examines the possible impact of DNA fragments left in old technology vaccines after centrifuge. Embryo had a slightly different meaning in the 60’s-70’s and wasn’t reserved to only very young fetuses. FDA 2001, Vaccine and Related Biological Product Advisory Committee. P81, [14-22] It has been taken down from their website but an unedited copy can be found here. FDA 2001, Vaccine and Related Biological Product Advisory Committee. P77, [11-12]. It has been taken down from their website but an unedited copy can be found here. The initial experiment can be read here A paper by Dr Alvin Wong, who claims to have communicated with Van der Eb via email in 2003, this is recorded in his paper "The Ethics of HEK293" available here. P475 Dr C Ward Kischer, embryologist and Emeritus Professor of Anatomy; specialist in Human Embryology, University of Arizona College of Medicine (Tucson, Arizona) Personal interview with Debra Vinnedge 7-02, ALL Conference G Sven, S Plotkin, K McCarthy, Gamma Globulin Prophylaxis; Inactivated Rubella Virus; Production and Biological Control of Live Attenuated Rubella Virus Vaccines; Amer J Dis Child Vol, available here “Drugs which reduce fetal physiological activity need to be avoided. The fetus is therefore in as alive and aware a state as possible when being opened” quoted Alderson, Prescilla (footnote 14). Dr Ian Donald described the experiments he had personally witnessed at Karolinska - all in the name of science 1988-06-01; Marx, Paul; Confessions of a Pro-Life Missionary; https://www.amazon.com/dp/155922021X McCullagh, Peter, "The Foetus as Transplant Donor - Scientific, Social and Ethical Perspectives" (1987) p106 1986-04-26; Herranz, Gonzalo; Il Sabato, no 15; A reply to a previous article in the same journal by Paolo Cucchiarelli and Marina Ricci FDA 2001 Vaccine and Related Biological Product Advisory Committee. P 91. It has been taken down from their website but an unedited copy can be found here FDA 2001 Vaccine and Related Biological Product Advisory Committee. P 92. It has been taken down from their website but an unedited copy can be found here Acker, Pamela, Vaccines: A Catholic Perspective (2020). This figure is reached by assessing the methodology of two experiment papers written by Hayflick. The first co-authored with Moore head in 1961 found here, the second in 1964 found here Va CBR UK's purpose is never to condemn anyone for past abortions but to protect children and mothers from future abortions. CBR UK condemns all violence against those who perform, procure or promote abortion and refuses to work or be associated with any group or individual who refuses to condemn such violence us Join with us to educate society on the humanity of the unborn child and the reality of abortion. © 2019 CBR UK | Company number 07216999. Registered Office: Centre For Bio-Ethical Reform UK, 23 New Broadway, Tarring Road, Worthing, West Sussex, BN11 4HP |
  18. Do yourself, and us, a favour by putting the troll on IGNORE. You are just wasting your own valuable time making posts that will undoubtedly be deleted by the Mods.
  19. Some interesting ideas there. Another one may be that they (gov) just don't know of, or understand, the risks to themselves. Only Gates and the upper echelons know the full story. Governments are only being used as interim measures in the rollout of the NWO. They could well find themselves as dispensible as the rest of us.
  20. This is what puzzles me: If deadly prions can spread widely amongst the populace, how do the cabal protect themselves from the same risk?
  21. Latest article from Jon Rappaport. WARNING: May be upsetting to some ... New evidence for infanticide in the creation of the fetal cell line used for COVID vaccine testing https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2021/10/20/infanticide-in-creation-of-fetal-cell-line-used-for-covid-vaccine-testing/#comments Oct20
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