[UK Census - 21 March 2021]

On 4/22/2021 at 7:08 AM, Anise said:

This is a really curious point. So am I correct to think that actually sending something in with false or missed information could be more problematic because the very act of doing so has created a document? So for example, if someone returned it unsigned with the house number and postcode on squared brackets and simply filled in as "the householder," would they be deemed as "breaking the law" because in doing so, they would perceive it as the individual understanding the dictate that it "has to be filled in" and apparently deliberately perverting it- even without a name?

 

You're right I think Anise. Don't complete it with false information as you've then entered into a 'contract' with 'them'. Just continue to note that there is no expiry date, it says this in large bold letters on the front page "...as soon as possible after...", so really that's when it's possible for you to do so... that could be next Christmas couldn't it!?

 

You can argue you are not refusing to complete it... just not yet, you're not breaking a law or contravening anything as you've said you'll complete it, when it is convenient for you to do so. In fact I don't understand why there isn't a completion date... it would have been easier for 'them'!?

 

SO THERE MUST BE SOME REASON WHY THEY HAVEN'T DONE THAT, ANY SOLICITORS ON HERE WHO CAN ANSWER THAT? Would be really interesting to know that 'they' don't seem to be able to use 'the law' to have an expiry date for completion.

 

DOES THIS ALSO IMPLY that you cannot be forced or tricked into completing it with the threat of a SUPPOSED FINE? Can anyone help with this perspective?

 

Take care Anise.

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On 4/18/2021 at 9:31 PM, Mr Chinnery said:

 

CommonSense101 has only posted in this thread and only about the census.

 

Looks like a paid government shill. Joined the day after the deadline.

Spot on!

 

Exactly what I thought!

 

I'm now assuming they'll hack the website and trace us all back via our provided details to sign up... probably an offence on their behalf, but it seems the authorities don't respect their own laws... of course a 'law' might not be a 'legality'... that's another story! :-)

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On 4/22/2021 at 8:19 PM, anonymous228 said:

 

And I was thinking I might be in the lead. I've only had four visits. A total of five letters and four leaflets, now in a little pile near the front door. The next visitor might be able to see them all through the frosted glass.

 

Interestingly it's been a different person each time. I'm curious how they're assigning these calls and when they plan to throw the towel in.

 

On a side note, I recommend everyone register their birth certificate details with the common law court if you haven't already done so and obtain ownership of your legal fiction name too. www.commonlawcourt.com

Excellent points, completely agree. Especially the Common Law registration. If people do complete the Census Form, then they are entering into a contract with the State/Government as you've effectively consented to engage and share your requested information with them, again a Statute contract only.

 

People should have a think first. I wouldn't mind so much if it were just confirming a name and occupants, but so many of the questions are completely irrelevant and personal to 'planning local services' as they say.

 

Plus, they can actually get and already have access to many of these questions via your Council Tax, Electoral Register and National Insurance records, so why is so much effort being put into this! It's all a bit odd I think and especially at a time of supposed emergency in our country!

 

Strange they can be so 'efficient' with this, but not with Covid Statistics being flawed and thousands not get cancer treatments etc., etc.

 

Take care yourself.

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On 4/14/2021 at 12:13 PM, CommonSense101 said:

Legal relevance of 'census 2021' being in lowercase - none.

 

Contract made by filling it in - none.

 

Deadline for filling in the Census - 21st March 2021. You can get fined after that but it looks like they are trying to avoid that with the door knockers, getting people to complete.

 

What isn't mentioned is that completing it online is cheaper than paper. But not everyone can do it online.

 

Who gets to see the details collected. Nobody outside the Census, that's the law. Nobody. Nada. Zilch. Zippo. Until 2121 when it will be published.

 

I appreciate most folks here may disagree with me but I'm the sort of bod that likes facts. You can't fix cars without them! So I checked.

 

Re: "Deadline for filling in the Census - 21st March 2021. You can get fined after that but it looks like they are trying to avoid that with the door knockers, getting people to complete."

 

You CANNOT GET FINED, as the form says it is to completed as soon as possible after the March date, THERE IS NO EXPIRY DATE FOR COMPLETION, that's a fact - look at the form - So, I'm completing mine on a rainy Sunday in 2027!

 

Also, the 'Law' statement threatening a fine is not legal statement and is not found in statute law - e.g. there is no legal requirement to complete a census of any kind. It is a perception of penalty (fearmongering again!) if you do not complete the form.

 

It is worth pointing out that the 2021 Census Form (& previous census forms) have the Crown motif displayed on them. This is an illegal and fraudulent use of the Queens Arms as the Census is not a crown commissioned document.

 

Another false perception being perpetrated to fool people into a fear of not completing it!

 

So, to round up 'CommonSense101', if you do trade in facts and attempt to belittled others well founded fears, then check out your facts first... the 'Fine' is the best example from what you have previously contributed.

 

Have a good day and read around a bit - take care.