How does Credo Mutwa view animal sacrifice? [Archive]

lostinstrangeworld

20-09-2007, 02:07 PM

Does anybody know the answer to this question?

h1s_l0rdsh1p

20-09-2007, 02:10 PM

Well, he did say in one video, that we didn't have to use to hunt. And old animal would give it's life for us so we could eat.

albie

20-09-2007, 02:29 PM

Rubbish of course.

h1s_l0rdsh1p

20-09-2007, 02:31 PM

Rubbish of course.

You're rubbish.

BE GONE, YE OLE' TROLL!

soglad

20-09-2007, 02:32 PM

You're rubbish.

BE GONE, YE OLE' TROLL!

HAHAHAHAH

:D

lostinstrangeworld

20-09-2007, 02:32 PM

I find that difficult to believe; it would make more sense that people didn't have to hunt because they had a vegetarian diet and knew where to find appropriate foods for sustenance......

I feel that animals and humans only began to eat flesh after 'the fall'......whatever that exactly was.

Perhaps people in his country once chose to eat only the meat of older animals so as to preserve the life ahead of the young.....

auron

20-09-2007, 02:33 PM

:)

h1s_l0rdsh1p

20-09-2007, 02:49 PM

NOW I GET WHY HE ASKED!

Look up Credo Mutwa on wikipedia, and you'll see they call him a sangoma. Now, read up on wikipedia what a sangoma is, and you'll read the following:

At times in the training, and for the graduation, a ritual sacrifice of an animal is performed (usually a chicken, a goat or a cow). The spilling of this blood is meant to seal the bond between the ancestors and the sangoma

Well, it depends, because it's "at times", but not always.

lumukanda

20-09-2007, 05:06 PM

I find that difficult to believe; it would make more sense that people didn't have to hunt because they had a vegetarian diet and knew where to find appropriate foods for sustenance......

I feel that animals and humans only began to eat flesh after 'the fall'......whatever that exactly was.

Perhaps people in his country once chose to eat only the meat of older animals so as to preserve the life ahead of the young.....

the tonga-ile, who lived in what was once the kariba gorge (now the kariba-bassa dam) are said to be able to communicate with animals telepathically, perhaps thats what he was referring to.

synergy777

20-09-2007, 05:21 PM

to kill anything for ritual/sacrifice is giving power to parasitic lifeforms, eg demons. if anything is to be used, i say just use incense/candles and prayer. its the death cult mentality that gives rise to evil rituals of death. dead animals, bread/wine = body/flesh, cananibals/eucharist.

lostinstrangeworld

21-09-2007, 04:06 PM

to kill anything for ritual/sacrifice is giving power to parasitic lifeforms, eg demons. if anything is to be used, i say just use incense/candles and prayer. its the death cult mentality that gives rise to evil rituals of death. dead animals, bread/wine = body/flesh, cananibals/eucharist.

Spot on, Synergy777.

I'm going to have to do some more research about this.

I have a friend who has been to his village where animal sacrifices take place and she said she felt bad vibes. She is very interested in Credo, but he wasn't there any longer, he had either left or had gone to stay somewhere, so she didn't get to meet him.

lostinstrangeworld

22-09-2007, 09:02 AM

If anyone knows anything about the topic of this thread, please let me know.

cheesedanish

22-09-2007, 09:27 AM

I dont know about Credo Mutwa but I do know he is a Zulu and
found this link (http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0029-5973(199309)40:3%3C293:AGAZSR%3E2.0.CO;2-V)Ancient Greek and Zulu Sacrificial Ritual: A Comparative Analysis
Michael Lambert - sorry in rush so dont have time read or check if
relevant - just some links I googled :
Sacrifices to Ancestors (http://www.sorat.ukzn.ac.za/sinomlando/publications/Publications-Religionbydayandreligionbynight-Pamphlet3.doc)
Life in African Religion (http://etd.unisa.ac.za/ETD-db/theses/available/etd-04292005-153119/unrestricted/01dissertation.pdf)

cheesedanish

22-09-2007, 09:31 AM

More interesting reading - not sure if you know this story (http://www.sundaytimes.co.za/Columnists/FredKhumalo/Article.aspx?id=375622) - caused a huge stir - Furore over slaughtering shows how little we know each other

lumukanda

22-09-2007, 09:31 AM

remember that credo was 'excommunicated' from the zulu nation for revealing their secret stories in 'indaba, my children' many years ago.

lostinstrangeworld

22-09-2007, 09:33 AM

Yes, that's why I was wondering whether he is opposed to the conventional tradition of sacrificing animals. Or not.

?

lumukanda

22-09-2007, 09:37 AM

couldn't tell you offhand, i'm inclined to say yes, but at the same time, he has spoken at length about the true nature of things, so if he understands that, he'd understand that killing animals in sacrifice is wrong too.
i'll have to read through his books again i'm, afraid, the last time i did, i was looking for something else, i'm sure he must speak about it in zulu shaman, or indaba.

lostinstrangeworld

22-09-2007, 10:21 AM

Lumukanda, have you read " Zulu Shaman: Dreams, Prophecies, and Mysteries"?

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/5164GW9Y72L._AA240_.jpg

If so, is it good?

I have a friend who knows how to contact Credo. I might just have to ask him my question myself! :)

lumukanda

22-09-2007, 10:39 AM

i read it ages ago, it was good, but i'm sketchy on the details, but i have a copy of indaba, my children, which is a brilliant read.

if you can get the question to him, that's the best way, i have heard that it is very hard to get hold of him (i've tried too).

father ted

22-09-2007, 12:35 PM

Can't you just take a trip through the plains?

Swerdlow has the same view on how the animals choose who is going to be given up for food. I'm not sure if there's a ritual involved when this happens or just a simple killing.

albie

22-09-2007, 03:49 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by h1s_l0rdsh1p
You're rubbish.

BE GONE, YE OLE' TROLL!

HAHAHAHAH

See how the mods are biased. If I'd have said that i would have been warned.

This forum has nothing to do with love and such.

It's another ego bank.

marpat

26-12-2008, 02:05 PM

I have read that the zulu sacrifice animals to their 'ancestors'. Im sure David Icke would say that they are feeding reptilians but as it is his friends tribe they might be able to make an exception.

lucyfire

03-01-2009, 10:06 AM

I find that difficult to believe; it would make more sense that people didn't have to hunt because they had a vegetarian diet and knew where to find appropriate foods for sustenance......

I feel that animals and humans only began to eat flesh after 'the fall'......whatever that exactly was.

Perhaps people in his country once chose to eat only the meat of older animals so as to preserve the life ahead of the young.....

http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/characteristics.html