U.S. Military Weapons Inscribed With Secret 'Jesus

[jiffy]

As Bush said...It's a crusade......Christian Religious Nut Jobs

Coded references to New Testament Bible passages about Jesus Christ are inscribed on high-powered rifle sights provided to the United States military by a Michigan company, an ABC News investigation has found.

The sights are used by U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and in the training of Iraqi and Afghan soldiers. The maker of the sights, Trijicon, has a $660 million multi-year contract to provide up to 800,000 sights to the Marine Corps, and additional contracts to provide sights to the U.S. Army.

U.S. military rules specifically prohibit the proselytizing of any religion in Iraq or Afghanistan and were drawn up in order to prevent criticism that the U.S. was embarked on a religious "Crusade" in its war against al Qaeda and Iraqi insurgents.

One of the citations on the gun sights, 2COR4:6, is an apparent reference to Second Corinthians 4:6 of the New Testament, which reads: "For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ."

Other references include citations from the books of Revelation, Matthew and John dealing with Jesus as "the light of the world." John 8:12, referred to on the gun sights as JN8:12, reads, "Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."

Trijicon confirmed to ABCNews.com that it adds the biblical codes to the sights sold to the U.S. military. Tom Munson, director of sales and marketing for Trijicon, which is based in Wixom, Michigan, said the inscriptions "have always been there" and said there was nothing wrong or illegal with adding them. Munson said the issue was being raised by a group that is "not Christian." The company has said the practice began under its founder, Glyn Bindon, a devout Christian from South Africa who was killed in a 2003 plane crash.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/us-military-weapons-inscribed-secret-jesus-bible-codes/story?id=9575794

[tinyint]

As Bush said...It's a crusade......Christian Religious Nut Jobs

Coded references to New Testament Bible passages about Jesus Christ are inscribed on high-powered rifle sights provided to the United States military by a Michigan company, an ABC News investigation has found.

The sights are used by U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and in the training of Iraqi and Afghan soldiers. The maker of the sights, Trijicon, has a $660 million multi-year contract to provide up to 800,000 sights to the Marine Corps, and additional contracts to provide sights to the U.S. Army.

U.S. military rules specifically prohibit the proselytizing of any religion in Iraq or Afghanistan and were drawn up in order to prevent criticism that the U.S. was embarked on a religious "Crusade" in its war against al Qaeda and Iraqi insurgents.

One of the citations on the gun sights, 2COR4:6, is an apparent reference to Second Corinthians 4:6 of the New Testament, which reads: "For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ."

Other references include citations from the books of Revelation, Matthew and John dealing with Jesus as "the light of the world." John 8:12, referred to on the gun sights as JN8:12, reads, "Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."

Trijicon confirmed to ABCNews.com that it adds the biblical codes to the sights sold to the U.S. military. Tom Munson, director of sales and marketing for Trijicon, which is based in Wixom, Michigan, said the inscriptions "have always been there" and said there was nothing wrong or illegal with adding them. Munson said the issue was being raised by a group that is "not Christian." The company has said the practice began under its founder, Glyn Bindon, a devout Christian from South Africa who was killed in a 2003 plane crash.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/us-military-weapons-inscribed-secret-jesus-bible-codes/story?id=9575794

Where do I know that from... just a sec... ah Wehrmacht and SS.

http://nobeliefs.com/mementoes/buckle.jpeg
It says... "God with us"

[konik]

http://alpha-tango.com/images/trijicon-logo-large.jpg

[mikey mikey]

Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.

[drhemp]

BBC a bit slow on the uptake, still good to see them reporting something right

Fucking Christians I despise their evil brainwashing conditioning...

Ha ha ... what a bunch of cunts..... :-)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8468981.stm

[mikey mikey]

Fucking Christians I despise their evil brainwashing conditioning...[/url]

Not Christians in the true sense. Pseudo Christian psycopaths.

[kitler]

References are to light and illumination.
Which finger on the hidden hand is preoccupied with such things?

[icarus]

the irony of a sniperscope manufacturer pushing the jesus message in wars started by zionists

[davew]

... does anyone else fail to see the link between "For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ." and blowing someone's brains out from 1/4 mile away?

[drhemp]

If they're that Christian then why don't they inscribe one of the 10 Commandments, like er, 'thou shalt not kill' ?

[icarus]

From these creature's website:

"For decades, Trijicon’s Brilliant Aiming Solutions™ have been trusted by those who defend America; like the Marines, Army Special Forces, Navy Seals and FBI. Which is just another reason elite firearms manufacturers such as Glock, Smith & Wesson, Beretta and Springfield, among others, continue to offer Trijicon as original equipment on their firearms — more than any other illuminated system in the world". ;)

[bradstone]

BBC a bit slow on the uptake, still good to see them reporting something right

Fucking Christians I despise their evil brainwashing conditioning...

Ha ha ... what a bunch of cunts..... :-)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8468981.stm

What a weird thing to say.

[drhemp]

What a weird thing to say.

hrm, I find inscribing coded references to New Testament Bible passages about Jesus Christ into the sights of high-powered rifles a weird and also obscene thing to do.

[icarus]

Fucking Christians I despise their evil brainwashing conditioning...

Ha ha ... what a bunch of cunts..... :-)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8468981.stm

i would tend to agree, but with this proviso

fucking christians, jews, muslims etc..I despise their evil brainwashing conditioning...

why do people still have to live their lives according to the various tenets of old men written ages ago, in a very different time, with very different moral and ethical standards?

just look at stephen baldwin on big brother. what a prize tosser

[mikey mikey]

hrm, I find inscribing coded references to New Testament Bible passages about Jesus Christ into the sights of high-powered rifles a weird and also obscene thing to do.

I agree 100%

[duckandcover]

Theyve admitted about the bible text on the weapons sights and are removing them because of concerns of other countries !

Biblical Texts To Be Removed From Rifles
1:03pm UK, Friday January 22, 2010

Josh Halliday, Sky News Online

A company which supplies rifle sights to British forces says it will remove the "potentially inflammatory" Biblical references inscribed on its products.


US soldier testing out a Trijicon sight


Trijicon has supplied religiously-inscribed equipment to military forces for two decades, but has now offered to remove the markings after a number of countries raised concerns.

The Ministry of Defence is now reviewing its position with the US-based supplier after ordering 400 of the controversial gun sights - which are being used by forces in Afghanistan - without realising the significance of their references.


They cause the same problems as putting slogans on bombs.

New Zealand's Defence Minister, Wayne Mapp.
Trijicon's sight-finding equipment routinely bears lettering such as "JN8:12", an apparent reference to chapter eight, verse 12 in the Gospel According to John.

This reads: "Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life."

The New Zealand Defence Force, which has 260 of the rifle sights, has moved quickly to distance itself from the Biblical inscriptions.

"They cause the same problems as putting slogans on bombs," New Zealand's Defence Minister Wayne Mapp said.

"We should not be doing anything that might give opponents any propaganda leverage.

"The markings are completely inappropriate and the Defence Force will be looking at ways to get rid of them, now and for future deliveries."

Australia's defence minister John Faulkner said the military had been unaware of the meaning of the letters and numbers etched into around 1,050 of its gun sights.

"I have asked Defence to examine the options available to deal with this matter without compromising the safety of our troops and critically important capabilities," he said.

Trijicon president Stephen Bindon, whose late father, Glyn Bindon, founded the firm and introduced the references, said: "Trijicon has proudly served the US military for more than two decades, and our decision to offer to voluntarily remove these references is both prudent and appropriate.

"We want to thank the Department of Defence for the opportunity to work with them and will move as quickly as possible to provide the modification kits for deployment overseas."

When it emerged that the equipment was marked with Biblical references, there were fears it could lead to allegations that the presence of foreign troops in Afghanistan is linked to religion.

[marpat]

Maybe it should have read 'he who lives by the bomb dies by the bomb'

[marpat]

Where do I know that from... just a sec... ah Wehrmacht and SS.

http://nobeliefs.com/mementoes/buckle.jpeg
It says... "God with us"

Do SS buckles say that? they do not!! old Wermacht ones do though

This is a picture of an SS buckle. The buckle says 'My honour is loyalty'

http://militaria-net.co.uk/oscommerce/catalog/images/SSbuckle.jpg

[marpat]

... does anyone else fail to see the link between "For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ." and blowing someone's brains out from 1/4 mile away?

Its typical American hardcore christian bullshit. Its not meant to make sense

[romas]

Capitalism + Evangelism = WTF!?

Nacism + Spirituality = WTF?!

but

Nacism + Spirituality =/= Capitalism + Evangelism

[cpfc12]

if they're that christian then why don't they inscribe one of the 10 commandments, like er, 'thou shalt not kill' ?

lol ^^

[tinyint]

Do SS buckles say that? they do not!! old Wermacht ones do though

This is a picture of an SS buckle. The buckle says 'My honour is loyalty'

http://militaria-net.co.uk/oscommerce/catalog/images/SSbuckle.jpg

"My honour says fidelity" it reads, thx.

Please forgive oh master, besides a priest used to bliss the arms and troops, no matter SS or wehrmacht.
I think the point was clear enough.

[marpat]

"My honour says fidelity" it reads, thx.

Please forgive oh master, besides a priest used to bliss the arms and troops, no matter SS or wehrmacht.
I think the point was clear enough.

You were wrong but you are now making excuses. The SS and wermacht were two competing services and followed differing ideologies.

What you claim it says does not make any sense



SS members wore uniforms that helped cloak them in a dark aura of fearlessness: black uniform, black cap, death's head badge, death's head "ring of honor," and officer's dagger, which was engraved with the SS's motto: "Loyalty is My Honor



http://www.answers.com/topic/ss-454

[steve1964]

If they're that Christian then why don't they inscribe one of the 10 Commandments, like er, 'thou shalt not kill' ?

Yeah was thinking the same thing myself, but wouldn't that give them a conscience.

[oioioi]

And oddly this is one of only a few threads that the bible thumpers seem to be avoiding posting on.

[tinyint]

You were wrong but you are now making excuses. The SS and wermacht were two competing services and followed differing ideologies.

What you claim it says does not make any sense



SS members wore uniforms that helped cloak them in a dark aura of fearlessness: black uniform, black cap, death's head badge, death's head "ring of honor," and officer's dagger, which was engraved with the SS's motto: "Loyalty is My Honor



http://www.answers.com/topic/ss-454

As you say master. :rolleyes:

http://www.diggerhistory.info/images/uniforms4/Waffen-SS.jpg

http://www.allmystery.de/dateien/pr53928,1241816682,80033-2.jpg

I do not feel the urgent need to discuss the command structure with you right now.

[marpat]

As you say master. :rolleyes:

http://www.diggerhistory.info/images/uniforms4/Waffen-SS.jpg

http://www.allmystery.de/dateien/pr53928,1241816682,80033-2.jpg

I do not feel the urgent need to discuss the command structure with you right now.

So why are you posting pictures of SS action figures? is there any point in that? none of those are wermacht figures

[tinyint]

So why are you posting pictures of SS action figures? is there any point in that? none of those are wermacht figures

Well :rolleyes:

You said SS wore black uniforms... that is obviously only partly true, you mean "Totenkopf" unit.

That much as for your excellent knowledge base on 3rd reich.

And no, SS and wehrmacht fought also together, hand in hand, obeying to OKH.
Though the SS were even better equipped and fanatics, and had sub command structure.

http://translate.google.de/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zweiter-wk.de%2FDownload%2FSchlachtordnung_Heer_1945.html&sl=de&tl=en

The OKH(Oberkommando des Heeres) were most of the time in charge.

[oioioi]

You do know you are both engaging in a public dick waving contest about who knows their nazi uniforms best?

[tinyint]

You do know you are both engaging in a public dick waving contest about who knows their nazi uniforms best?

Yes, that is true. But I have not shown mine yet :D

I just have not figured out yet why he is picking on that, since my point was a different in that history seems to always repeat.

[tinyint]

Ok, cards on the table ... here it is...please look away, if you easily feel offended :D

http://www.planetdan.net/pics/misc/lemurpenis.jpg

[clachan]

BBC a bit slow on the uptake, still good to see them reporting something right

Fucking Christians I despise their evil brainwashing conditioning...

Ha ha ... what a bunch of cunts..... :-)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8468981.stm

I think you,d better wrap up a stiff one man,you sound like your about to explode:D

[oioioi]

Ok, cards on the table ... here it is...please look away, if you easily feel offended :D

http://www.planetdan.net/pics/misc/lemurpenis.jpg

:eek::D

[clachan]

And oddly this is one of only a few threads that the bible thumpers seem to be avoiding posting on.

Thats probably because the US military and those that manufacture their weapons are nothing to do with Christ.....simple.

[jiffy]

Ok, cards on the table ... here it is...please look away, if you easily feel offended :D

http://www.planetdan.net/pics/misc/lemurpenis.jpg

I have to say for a small fella that is an impressive sack;)

[tinyint]

I have to say for a small fella that is an impressive sack;)

I am proud, you acknowledge that :D

[jiffy]

I am proud, you acknowledge that :D


ROFL, why is it a self portrait :eek:

[tinyint]

ROFL, why is it a self portrait :eek:

Judging the facial expression, no. He does not look too exalted.
Do you like being photographed, when doing 'business'? :D

[hadabusa]

You were wrong but you are now making excuses. The SS and wermacht were two competing services and followed differing ideologies.

What you claim it says does not make any sense



SS members wore uniforms that helped cloak them in a dark aura of fearlessness: black uniform, black cap, death's head badge, death's head "ring of honor," and officer's dagger, which was engraved with the SS's motto: "Loyalty is My Honor



http://www.answers.com/topic/ss-454

youre pretty ignorant trying to teach a german guy derman history.

[marpat]

I never said they wore only black uniforms, it was a quote I was using to describe the beltbuckle!! I am fully aware of what uniforms they wore, with patters such as dot 44, oakleaf, etc, etc. You might find the tank troops also wore black as well, even wermacht ones, often leading to accusations that they were SS

This is all about that buckle quote and how you made a mistake though. I was just highlighting that the SS did not have any reference to god on their buckle.

Next time perhaps you should read quotations as not being the posters work or ideas

Well :rolleyes:

You said SS wore black uniforms... that is obviously only partly true, you mean "Totenkopf" unit.

That much as for your excellent knowledge base on 3rd reich.

And no, SS and wehrmacht fought also together, hand in hand, obeying to OKH.
Though the SS were even better equipped and fanatics, and had sub command structure.

http://translate.google.de/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zweiter-wk.de%2FDownload%2FSchlachtordnung_Heer_1945.html&sl=de&tl=en

The OKH(Oberkommando des Heeres) were most of the time in charge.

[marpat]

youre pretty ignorant trying to teach a german guy derman history.

Yet he seems pretty ignorant of his own history. Do you know anything on German military history? I have some knowledge which is why I knew his remarks about army and SS buckles was wrong. You dont have to be German to know something of their history

[garyhartill]

10 out of 10 for the the funniest :D & the most bitching thread of the week :rolleyes: WELL DONE PEOPLE LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL:p
makes a change from all the probs of the world cheers:cool:

[jiffy]

Judging the facial expression, no. He does not look too exalted.
Do you like being photographed, when doing 'business'? :D

Is that not what web cams are for:eek: Damn!!

[bowtiedaddy]

This story is a distraction. Do you think a dead person is more dead if they're shot with a gun that has a bible verse on it?


As for me, I want my genocides of millions of innocent people born in the wrong country to be devoid of religious connotations! Seperation of church and state, right? After all, this is the most pressing issue of the day! After all... there are no wars *cough money cough* fought *cough resources cough* for any other *cough racketeering cough* reason than *cough depopulation cough* religion. . . .

Come now, people.

[tinyint]

Yet he seems pretty ignorant of his own history. Do you know anything on German military history? I have some knowledge which is why I knew his remarks about army and SS buckles was wrong. You dont have to be German to know something of their history

Lol

Learn to read man. You picked a thing out of context, to start a flame war.
As I said, my point was a different one, in that the troops fought for 'god', which is irony in itself.
Never mind oh master, I am not worth discussing with you.
You showed your vast and superior knowledge in the german anthem thread already :rolleyes:

Can we move on now?

[rodin]

If they're that Christian then why don't they inscribe one of the 10 Commandments, like er, 'thou shalt not kill' ?

exactly

everything is adulterated

[drhemp]

And oddly this is one of only a few threads that the bible thumpers seem to be avoiding posting on.

:confused:

[oioioi]

:confused:

It doesn't usually take much to stir them, I'd of thought a thread relating to bible quotes would be reason enough. Apparently not.