Haiti: 10,000 US soldiers due as violence on the s

[real6]

10,000 US soldiers due as violence on the streets intensifies

Around 10,000 US soldiers are due to arrive in Haiti to restore order to the streets as desperate earthquake survivors resort to looting and violence while aid struggles to reach them.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centralamericaandthecaribbean/haiti/7012413/Haiti-earthquake-10000-US-soldiers-due-as-violence-on-the-streets-intensifies.html

Vast queues formed at distribution points where the UN World Food Programme handed out high-energy food which had been delivered under armed guard Photo: AP
A Haitian policeman watches as looters retreat after police fired shots: Haiti earthquake: 10,000 American troops due as violence on the streets intensifies
Police opened fire on a group of looters, killing at least one of them, as hundreds of rioters ransacked a supermarket Photo: EPA

Chaos and fear reigned on the streets of the capital Port-au-Prince on Sunday, as many were still waiting for food, water and medicine five days after the disaster decimated the area.

Police opened fire on a group of looters, killing at least one of them, as hundreds of rioters ransacked a supermarket.

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One, a man in his 30s, was killed outright by bullets to the head as the crowd grabbed produce in the Marche Hyppolite.

Another quickly snatched the rucksack off the dead man's back as clashes continued and police reinforcements descended on the area armed with pump-action shotguns and assault rifles.

Residents in the Delmas area caught two suspected looters, tied them together, beat them and dragged them through the streets. Both were eventually dumped, motionless.

Gangs of men on Boulevard Jean-Jacques Dessalines, their faces covered with bandannas to mask both their identity and the smell of decaying bodies, brandished machetes and sharpened planks of wood as they ran from shop to shop stealing shoes, rolls of carpet and cooking pots

Despite being outnumbered, officers tried to disperse the violence, shouting at passers-by to leave the area. Elsewhere there were reports of officers stepping aside to allow vigilantes to deal with looters.

"Haitians are partly taking things into their own hands. There are no jails, the criminals are running free, there are no authorities controlling this," said Eddy Toussaint, who witnessed the violence.

It is hoped that armed American troops will quell the unrest when they arrive, but it is unclear exactly when that will be. Canada has also promised to send 1,000 troops to support the relief effort, in addition to the 500 already there.

Trickles of aid are managing to get through, but much of the relief effort is being hampered by the logistical problems of transporting it from the small and damaged airport and onto the town.

Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) said that a cargo plane carrying an inflatable field hospital with the capacity to hold more than 100 patients was denied permission to land and had to be re-routed through the Dominican Republic, creating a 24-hour delay.

Alain Joyandet, French co-operation minister, protested to Washington about the US military’s management of the airport after a French medical aid flight was turned away.

The US Army is working to open a critical port in Haiti to help the flow of aid, and helicopters have been drafted in to distribute supplies.

So far they have delivered over 70,000 bottles of water and 130,000 food rations, "and we're going to be able to increase that every day," Lieutenant General PK Keen, deputy commander of US southern Command said.

"But, clearly, this is a disaster of epic proportions, and we've got a lot of work ahead of us."

Vast queues formed at distribution points where the UN World Food Programme handed out high-energy food which had been delivered under armed guard.

Florence Louis, 29, seven months pregnant with two children, was one of thousands of Haitians who gathered at a gate at the Cite Soleil slum.

Clutching four packs of biscuits, she said: "It is enough because I didn't have anything at all."

On another street in Port-au-Prince, six young men ripped water pipes off walls to suck out the few drops inside.

"This is very, very bad, but I am too thirsty," said Pierre Louis Delmar.

It is also understood that two Dominicans were shot and seriously wounded as they handed out aid.

Carlos Gatas and Milton Matos struggled back to the Dominican Republic embassy with gunshot wounds after the apparent attack.

There were also reports of a crowd of starving Haitians fighting each other with machetes over small packages of food dropped into a stadium by a helicopter.

The UN said increasing numbers of Haitians were trying to cross the border into the Dominican Republic, on the eastern side of Hispaniola island, and reported a surge of quake survivors fleeing to northern cities.

UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon, who visited Haiti yesterday, called the earthquake "one of the most serious crises in decades.

"The damage, destruction and loss of life are just overwhelming," he added.

The United Nations was feeding 40,000 people a day and hoped to increase that to 1 million within two weeks, he said. "The challenge at this time is how to co-ordinate all of this outpouring of assistance."

It is not yet known how many died in Tuesday's 7.0-magnitude earthquake, as, helped by international rescue workers, survivors still emerge from the rubble against the odds and many remain unaccounted for.

Haiti's government alone has already recovered 20,000 bodies — not counting those recovered by independent agencies or relatives themselves, Jean-Max Bellerive, the Prime Minister of Haiti, said.

The Pan American Health Organization now says 50,000 to 100,000 people perished in the quake, although American military sources have suggested it could exceed 200,000.

The Haitian government has also estimated that 1.5 million have been left homeless, and face another night without shelter.

[jadeinjapan]

It breaks my heart. There are so many wrongs in the situation. Why must people always be their own worst enemies?

[rodin]

10,000 US soldiers due as violence on the streets intensifies

US bringing democracy to Haiti

[darkman]

and what would happen in this country if the worst was to happen all hell would break lose and then that would be a nation under shear fear and mass hysteria ... imagine no electric no fuel food running out .. the worse than mechete gangs would appear rape and piliging would be on mass as this nation fears alot . us who would survive somtihng of this scale would have to run top the hills to avoid such mass hysteria

[decim]

Halliburton & KBR will be rubbing their hands.

[keithm]

add to the fact that the CIA will flood haiti with opium from afghanistan.

[slaneysider]

:eek:
WTF!
YOU CAN BET YOUR BOTTOM DOLLAR THEY WONT BE SHORT OF WATER OR
FOOD WHILE THEY ARE THERE.

[entrangermercenary]

:eek:
WTF!
YOU CAN BET YOUR BOTTOM DOLLAR THEY WONT BE SHORT OF WATER OR
FOOD WHILE THEY ARE THERE.

How old are you?? So let them arrive then ( the yanks) without any food or water for themselves. Im sure they can beg and borrow off the locals while trying to help them:rolleyes:

Of course they will have food and water for themselves ffs how will they operate without it !!

Will they help while dehydrated and starving then ?? Once out of the towns and in the rural areas ration packs will be the order of the day, would that be okay for you ??

Fucking grow up

[duckandcover]

The effin` yanks are at it again :mad: Shooting people that are looting supermarkets for food! FFS these people are starving , let them take the food or distribute it between them.

[real6]

Obama mobilizes military reservists to reinforce Haiti aid

http://rawstory.com/2010/01/obama-mobilizes-military-reservists-reinforce-haiti-aide/

Obama mobilizes military reservists to reinforce Haiti aid

By Agence France-Presse
Sunday, January 17th, 2010 -- 5:38 pm
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ustroopshaiti2010 Obama mobilizes military reservists to reinforce Haiti aidUS President Barack Obama Sunday mobilized military reserves to help quake-hit Haiti, particularly medical staff to work on hospital ships and Coast Guard staff to secure the ports.

In a presidential order, Obama wrote it was "necessary to augment the active Armed Forces of the United States for the effective conduct of operational missions, including those involving humanitarian assistance, related to relief efforts in Haiti."

He said he was authorizing Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano to order to active duty any units of the reserve as needed.

The order would help both departments to support the massive US aid operation in Haiti, devastated by a 7.0-magnitude quake on Tuesday.

"It will be used on a limited basis, principally to support targeted functions associated with this humanitarian mission," the White House stressed in a statement.
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"For instance, it will allow for the call-up of reserve medical personnel to replace those deployed on the hospital ship Comfort and it will allow for the deployment of a Coast Guard unit that will help provide port security."

Obama also sent a letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi informing Congress of the move.

[cpfc12]

How old are you?? So let them arrive then ( the yanks) without any food or water for themselves. Im sure they can beg and borrow off the locals while trying to help them:rolleyes:

Of course they will have food and water for themselves ffs how will they operate without it !!

Will they help while dehydrated and starving then ?? Once out of the towns and in the rural areas ration packs will be the order of the day, would that be okay for you ??

Fucking grow up

Or they could wait til they starve and die themselves, and feed their own bodies to the hatians, so they can canibalise them, it would be the more humane thing to do for these haitians

[entrangermercenary]

The effin` yanks are at it again :mad: Shooting people that are looting supermarkets for food! FFS these people are starving , let them take the food or distribute it between them.

Err wtf do you think it is a boy scout camp.
Bloke 1...
Come here form an orderly Que and ill give you some of the stuff ive just looted.

Bloke 2..
Thanks very much... but BANG shoots the geezer and takes the gear himself.

[marpat]

The effin` yanks are at it again :mad: Shooting people that are looting supermarkets for food! FFS these people are starving , let them take the food or distribute it between them.

And is that really happening? do US soldiers have legal power to act in such a way? perhaps their weapons are for their own protection against locals who may otherwise overpower them to get to aid before it can be handed out.

You are truly naive. You really think that they will sort things out if you just give them the food? you dont think that some people may try and control that, selling it or using it as bribes?

[trix]

Shooting people who are just trying to find food? What? That is fuckin absurd.... this can't be serious. :mad:

[marpat]

Or they could wait til they starve and die themselves, and feed their own bodies to the hatians, so they can canibalise them, it would be the more humane thing to do for these haitians

Perhaps you would prefer it if the US did not go there an help out? are they doing any harm by being there?

You people are cynical to the point of being sick. You see people taking aid into a country and criticise their efforts just because you have issues with anybody acting with the authority of a western government. Once you see some harm coming to that country because of aid efforts then start acting like bitches but until then perhaps you should have a little more support for people helping others.

[entrangermercenary]

And is that really happening? do US soldiers have legal power to act in such a way? perhaps their weapons are for their own protection against locals who may otherwise overpower them to get to aid before it can be handed out.

You are truly naive. You really think that they will sort things out if you just give them the food? you dont think that some people may try and control that, selling it or using it as bribes?

Sometimes Marpat its like retard city on here :mad:

[marpat]

Shooting people who are just trying to find food? What? That is fuckin absurd.... this can't be serious. :mad:

Are US soldiers doing that and if so under whose authority? I have seen the haitian police using extreme violence to deal with looters.

[marpat]

Sometimes Marpat its like retard city on here :mad:

I know and the worst thing is they think they are somehow onto something bigger. They are quick to condemn but they are not quick to help.

[clachan]

I dont know about all the theories surrounding this earth quake,but it seems rather odd that the US has deployed Marines and Paratroopers.
I mean,these are front line troops especially trained to fight/attack,surely if it was law and order that was priority then im sure the US has plenty of less aggresive troops that can do the job.

It does not make sense.

[cpfc12]

Perhaps you would prefer it if the US did not go there an help out? are they doing any harm by being there?

You people are cynical to the point of being sick. You see people taking aid into a country and criticise their efforts just because you have issues with anybody acting with the authority of a western government. Once you see some harm coming to that country because of aid efforts then start acting like bitches but until then perhaps you should have a little more support for people helping others.

woaah chill man ! i was being sarcastic !

[marpat]

I dont know about all the theories surrounding this earth quake,but it seems rather odd that the US has deployed Marines and Paratroopers.
I mean,these are front line troops especially trained to fight/attack,surely if it was law and order that was priority then im sure the US has plenty of less aggresive troops that can do the job.

It does not make sense.

As a former soldier you will recognise that these are often first into any situation for their toughness and rapid deployability. Pretty essential really.

Not only that but you have to consider what they have available at any period of time

[cpfc12]

Shooting people who are just trying to find food? What? That is fuckin absurd.... this can't be serious. :mad:

I don't believe its that black an white, but then again if it was like that, i doubt we would hear about it. But putting that aside, you having a situation that is going to be chaotic with armed people running all over the place, along with civillians, bad fatal mistakes can happen

[danster82]

This hasnt got anything to do with starving they are just looting for some easy cash, this is one example where the U.S army are actually doing an operation which is worthy.

Haiti has a real chance of completely breaking down and being no more and it would be because of no one else but the people of Haiti. There response has been to loot rather than work together as a people and organise, its typical lack of responsibility.

[brainfreeze]

This hasnt got anything to do with starving they are just looting for some easy cash, this is one example where the U.S army are actually doing an operation which is worthy.

Haiti has a real chance of completely breaking down and being no more and it would be because of no one else but the people of Haiti. There response has been to loot rather than work together as a people and organise, its typical lack of responsibility.

I hate to say this, but I saw a news clip and had to switch off to change my mind set. I didn't like the way my brain interpreted the Haiti man's words, but he asked, what are you going to do for me? Not for us? He was distraught but not injured.

I don't know, I know all nationalities have some people who are self obsesses but with all the chaos around him I thought, I hope the whole nation is not like that, and if they are is it due to the massive aid Haiti and other poorer countries like it so often get from the west?

[revealerofsecrets]

And is that really happening? do US soldiers have legal power to act in such a way? perhaps their weapons are for their own protection against locals who may otherwise overpower them to get to aid before it can be handed out.

You are truly naive. You really think that they will sort things out if you just give them the food? you dont think that some people may try and control that, selling it or using it as bribes?

The UN gave itself athority to act in any way it deems neccesary in a scenario like this. It already has the power to arm itself protect itself and pay for and provide needed supplies to itself in a disaster like this. Remmeber they are preparing for one world government. And so it begins You may be next on the list.

[brainfreeze]

The UN gave itself athority to act in any way it deems neccesary in a scenario like this. It already has the power to arm itself protect itself and pay for and provide needed supplies to itself in a disaster like this. Remmeber they are preparing for one world government. And so it begins You may be next on the list.

So, if something drastic happens to the UK say, it's ok for the UN to send in China with guns to control the people from looting and corrupting a system China has no say in to begin with?

[duckandcover]

The UN gave itself athority to act in any way it deems neccesary in a scenario like this. It already has the power to arm itself protect itself and pay for and provide needed supplies to itself in a disaster like this. Remmeber they are preparing for one world government. And so it begins You may be next on the list.

Nah , he works for them ;) :D

The UN have been there since 2004 when the US `removed` Aristide in a coup.

[decim]

UN 'Police'

Additional troops arrive in Haiti - YouTube

[brainfreeze]

Oops...wrong thread

[marpat]

The UN gave itself athority to act in any way it deems neccesary in a scenario like this. It already has the power to arm itself protect itself and pay for and provide needed supplies to itself in a disaster like this. Remmeber they are preparing for one world government. And so it begins You may be next on the list.

Really? funny how UN peacekeepers often get blown up by hostile groups because they are put in positions where they can not fight back. Perhaps you should read up on it

I am in the armed forces so I doubt I will be next on the list

[leemondo]

UN 'Police'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn96yGbqBBQ

The reporter said that the Haitians were taking out their anger on the UN police. Certainly didn't look like it to me. Quite the opposite in fact.

[marpat]

The reporter said that the Haitians were taking out their anger on the UN police. Certainly didn't look like it to me. Quite the opposite in fact.

You dont even know what those people were doing five minutes before that video was shot. They could have been cutting people up or anything. Have you seen the footage of lynch mobs? why try and nmake out the UN are doing something wrong when all you are going on is a few seconds of video that shows no conext or background. It is hardly enough to make some sort of judgement on

[cpfc12]

To be honest how can we behind our computers know anything ? we have only been given a selection of images, is it far too soon to be judging ?

[marpat]

To be honest how can we behind our computers know anything ? we have only been given a selection of images, is it far too soon to be judging ?

Exactly

[sofa king]

Nah , he works for them ;) :D

The UN have been there since 2004 when the US `removed` Aristide in a coup.



Haiti is a nasty little country. Nasty politics. Crime. Chaos.

Not a nice place to be on a good day.

[leemondo]

You dont even know what those people were doing five minutes before that video was shot. They could have been cutting people up or anything. Have you seen the footage of lynch mobs? why try and nmake out the UN are doing something wrong when all you are going on is a few seconds of video that shows no conext or background. It is hardly enough to make some sort of judgement on

Marpat, what is your problem? I am not making any kind of judgement, I am merely commenting on the report footage of UN troops clearly harrassing HAITIANS in that clip. Do you not agree that the footage contradicts the reporter's voice over, "Haitians are taking their anger out on UN troops"??
Obviously I don't know what happened before OR after this clip was edited, I was just making an observational comment.

The way I saw it was a good example of BAD reporting.

[frase]

It is like hell on earth, truly I have never seen anything like it....
I think the troops have to be there......
Order is needed......This place is fucked quite honestly....no government, no power, no water....jeez,
It doesn't bear thinking about....
Those who ar eon these boards calling for anarchy should really have a long hard think about what they wish for.....
Its hellish, the like of which the world has never seen before....

[oioioi]

It is like hell on earth, truly I have never seen anything like it....
I think the troops have to be there......
Order is needed......This place is fucked quite honestly....no government, no power, no water....jeez,
It doesn't bear thinking about....
Those who ar eon these boards calling for anarchy should really have a long hard think about what they wish for.....
Its hellish, the like of which the world has never seen before....

Chaos is not anarchy.

[paolo]

Chaos is not anarchy.
And Anarchy is not chaos as long as it's mutually organised.
In a hierarchical dictatorial society, if you pull out all the underpinnings, you're bound to have chaos.
Haiti has remained remarkably calm given the gang cultures that thrive in no-hoper burros and ghettos
The stories of looting are media and authority driven crap
If you're starving and thirsty, and have no money and no nothing, and there are collapsed stores and supermarkets you'll seek to take what you need for your friends and family. That's not looting, that's rational behaviour towards survival

[michael_mac]

To be honest how can we behind our computers know anything ? we have only been given a selection of images, is it far too soon to be judging ?

It was on the news tonight (Monday 18th) people at the gates of the airport, in which are piles of food, yet the UN peacekeepers/Army were using force to keep them at bay. How bonkers is that! Instead why weren't they dishing out the goods to these people who are starving? I can't work out why the UN/Americans aren't giving out the the goods at the gates? Surely they arn't allowing unrest to fester? Doesn't seem to make sense:confused:

[marpat]

It was on the news tonight (Monday 18th) people at the gates of the airport, in which are piles of food, yet the UN peacekeepers/Army were using force to keep them at bay. How bonkers is that! Instead why weren't they dishing out the goods to these people who are starving? I can't work out why the UN/Americans aren't giving out the the goods at the gates? Surely they arn't allowing unrest to fester? Doesn't seem to make sense:confused:

Maybe when you become an expert in disaster relief management you can give them some tips

If they give food out at the gates what stops local gangs taking the food off people as soon as they move out of protected areas?

[entrangermercenary]

It was on the news tonight (Monday 18th) people at the gates of the airport, in which are piles of food, yet the UN peacekeepers/Army were using force to keep them at bay. How bonkers is that! Instead why weren't they dishing out the goods to these people who are starving? I can't work out why the UN/Americans aren't giving out the the goods at the gates? Surely they arn't allowing unrest to fester? Doesn't seem to make sense:confused:

So you feed them at the gates !! First time fine. In a few hours the place will be mobbed so that then no vehicles with any supplies would be able to leave except by helicopter :rolleyes:

A secure depot(s) will be set up , with armed guards to make sure distribution is orderly. The same for emergency medics/supplies

[velma]

Saw the Marines touch down on the lawn of the ruined Presidential Palace, disembarking from a helicopter, brandishing machine-guns... who are they planning to shoot? Starving people? It's all so predictable, Blackwater will take control, we saw it all before in New Orleans, still showing no signs of reconstruction. The response makes it seem pre-meditated, with the Uss Carl Vinson standing by.

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/7470/cvn70front.jpg (http://img695.imageshack.us/i/cvn70front.jpg/)

[entrangermercenary]

Saw the Marines touch down on the lawn of the ruined Presidential Palace, disembarking from a helicopter, brandishing machine-guns... who are they planning to shoot? Starving people? It's all so predictable, Blackwater will take control, we saw it all before in New Orleans, still showing no signs of reconstruction. The response makes it seem pre-meditated, with the Uss Carl Vinson standing by.

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/7470/cvn70front.jpg (http://img695.imageshack.us/i/cvn70front.jpg/)

Err what are they sposed to arrive with. Dont you know soldiers have big fucking guns (and small ones ):eek:

Have you ever heard of self protection :rolleyes: Haiti wasnt a picnic at the best of times. GO watch A James bond film lol :)

[revealerofsecrets]

Really? funny how UN peacekeepers often get blown up by hostile groups because they are put in positions where they can not fight back. Perhaps you should read up on it

I am in the armed forces so I doubt I will be next on the list

Perhaps you should read up on it cause I know what I'm talking about.

Your Talking about rules of engagement. I'm talking about authority to act. This resolution was passed about 2 years ago right before the outbreak of violence in Palistine. If you paid attention and I did. The Un was able to react immediately without going back to the security council to get Authority. So they had troops on the ground in just a few days and they were international peacekeepers. which stopped the violence in a few weeks. So they have already passed this resolution giving them permanent authority to act to keep the peace. It signed off on by the Nations.

After all I am the revealer of secrets LOL

[anthony1965]

Err what are they sposed to arrive with. Dont you know soldiers have big fucking guns (and small ones ):eek:

Have you ever heard of self protection :rolleyes: Haiti wasnt a picnic at the best of times. GO watch A James bond film lol :)

Maybe you've watched too many?

The quake couldn't stop the luxury cruise liners from docking as planned:

http://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/18/cruise-ship-docks-at.html

But the US military can turn away planes full of medical supplies...

http://doctorswithoutborders.org/press/release.cfm?id=4176&cat=press-release

Doctors Without Borders Plane with Lifesaving Medical Supplies Diverted Again from Landing in Haiti
Patients in Dire Need of Emergency Care Dying from Delays in Arrival of Medical Supplies

Port-au-Prince, January 19, 2010 – A Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) cargo plane carrying 12 tons of medical equipment, including drugs, surgical supplies and two dialysis machines, was turned away three times from Port-au-Prince airport since Sunday night despite repeated assurances of its ability to land there. This 12-ton cargo was part of the contents of an earlier plane carrying a total of 40 tons of supplies that was blocked from landing on Sunday morning. Since January 14, MSF has had five planes diverted from the original destination of Port-au-Prince to the Dominican Republic. These planes carried a total of 85 tons of medical and relief supplies.

“We have had five patients in Martissant health center die for lack of the medical supplies that this plane was carrying,” said Loris de Filippi, emergency coordinator for the MSF’s Choscal Hospital in Cite Soleil. “I have never seen anything like this. Any time I leave the operating theater I see lots of people desperately asking to be taken for surgery. Today, there are 12 people who need lifesaving amputations at Choscal Hospital. We were forced to buy a saw in the market to continue amputations. We are running against time here.”

More than 500 patients in need of surgery have been transferred from MSF health center in the Martissant neighborhood to Choscal Hospital with more than 230 operated on since Thursday. MSF teams have been working since the first hours after the earthquake and these cargo shipments are vital to continue their ability to provide essential medical care to victims of the disaster. In five different locations in the city, MSF has given primary care to an estimated 3,000 people in the capital and performed more than 400 surgeries.

“It is like working in a war situation,” said Rosa Crestani, MSF medical coordinator for Choscal Hospital. “We don’t have any more morphine to manage pain for our patients. We cannot accept that planes carrying lifesaving medical supplies and equipment continue to be turned away while our patients die. Priority must be given to medical supplies entering the country.”

Many of the patients have been pulled from the rubble of collapsed buildings are at grave risk of death from septicemia and the consequences of “crush syndrome,” a condition where damaged muscle tissue releases toxins into the bloodstream and can lead to death from kidney failure. Dialysis machines are vital to keeping patients alive with this condition.

Another two planes carrying a total of 26 MSF aid workers were diverted to Dominican Republic. MSF has successfully landed five planes with a total of 135 tons of supplies into Port-au-Prince. Another 195 tons of supplies will need to be granted permission to land in the airport in the coming days in order to continue MSF’s scale up of its medical relief operation in Haiti.

More than 700 MSF staff are working to provide emergency medical care to earthquake survivors in and around Port-au-Prince. MSF teams are currently working in Choscal Hospital, Martissant Health Center, Trinite Hospital, Carrefour hospital, Jacmel Hospital, and are establishing a 100-bed inflatable hospital in the Delmas area. They are running exploratory assessment missions to other locations outside the capital as well.

[velma]

Err what are they sposed to arrive with. Dont you know soldiers have big fucking guns (and small ones ):eek:

Have you ever heard of self protection :rolleyes: Haiti wasnt a picnic at the best of times. GO watch A James bond film lol :)

They could have brought a hospital ship instead of a battleship!

This is not a war zone or a James Bond film, it is a disaster area. It is unlikely that Haitians had the energy or inclination to attack their rescuers.

When a similar calamity strikes your neighbourhood, will you be pleased to see gun-toting blue berets from Bolivia and Sri Lanka (foreigners, as Haitians call them) thrusting a machine-gun in your face for scavenging for food to feed your starving children?

[dynamicwiseman]

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[dynamicwiseman]

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[icarus]

fascists up to their usual tricks

whether they caused this quake or not, they're making the most of it to occupy real estate on venezuelas doorstep

[anthony1965]

They could have brought a hospital ship instead of a battleship!

This is not a war zone or a James Bond film, it is a disaster area. It is unlikely that Haitians had the energy or inclination to attack their rescuers.

When a similar calamity strikes your neighbourhood, will you be pleased to see gun-toting blue berets from Bolivia and Sri Lanka (foreigners, as Haitians call them) thrusting a machine-gun in your face for scavenging for food to feed your starving children?

There were 7000 UN troops already in place.

Various teams of foreign nationals, Cubans, French and others were either already there or able to start work straight away.

A luxury cruise liner was able to put in at the north of the island and treat it's passengers to barbeques on the beach.

Reports of "starving" Haitians were being posted incredibly soon after the quake. They certainly weren't starving then, but if the Americans keep on fucking up the relief efforts then they eventually will be.

And remember that Haiti is part of an island that also includes the Dominican Republic.

Why not establish relief camps at different locations?

The Americans are not there to help anyone but themselves. As usual.

[velma]

There were 7000 UN troops already in place.

Various teams of foreign nationals, Cubans, French and others were either already there or able to start work straight away.

A luxury cruise liner was able to put in at the north of the island and treat it's passengers to barbeques on the beach.

Reports of "starving" Haitians were being posted incredibly soon after the quake. They certainly weren't starving then, but if the Americans keep on fucking up the relief efforts then they eventually will be.

And remember that Haiti is part of an island that also includes the Dominican Republic.

Why not establish relief camps at different locations?

The Americans are not there to help anyone but themselves. As usual.

After eight desperate days without food and water, I'd be starving! Food riots are anticipated by Friday, if it all goes according to the orchestrated plan. Then the troops and mercenaries can start using their guns in earnest.

[marpat]

After eight desperate days without food and water, I'd be starving! Food riots are anticipated by Friday, if it all goes according to the orchestrated plan. Then the troops and mercenaries can start using their guns in earnest.

Looks to me that you are itching for such a thing to happen so that you can then say 'told you so'

Maybe you would have preferred them to not turn up at all. Military intervention is common at such time and considering Haiti is a very poor country the chances of them having a lot of resources to hand are very slim, let alone a real means to contain any trouble

I wasnt under the impression that mercenaries tend to get used in relief operations. Why pay private military contractors a huge amount of money to do the same thing as a soldier?

[real6]

After eight desperate days without food and water, I'd be starving! Food riots are anticipated by Friday, if it all goes according to the orchestrated plan. Then the troops and mercenaries can start using their guns in earnest.

CNN's Kiran Chetry discusses claims by some aid organizations that they can't get aid to the streets of Haiti!!!

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2010/01/20/intv.keen.holmes.cnn?hpt=T1

Sounds like another Palestine!!!

[velma]

Looks to me that you are itching for such a thing to happen so that you can then say 'told you so'

Maybe you would have preferred them to not turn up at all. Military intervention is common at such time and considering Haiti is a very poor country the chances of them having a lot of resources to hand are very slim, let alone a real means to contain any trouble

I wasnt under the impression that mercenaries tend to get used in relief operations. Why pay private military contractors a huge amount of money to do the same thing as a soldier?

I'd much rather be wrong... about EVERYTHING... sadly, it's all too predictable.

[cpfc12]

Come on lets be open minded about this, yeah it could be an invasion, but at the same time if the troops are really helping, then its out of order for us to sit back and cynically tear them apart, in the end we are not doing anything to help, typing behind our computer screens.

[sardonicus]

Paulo: If you're starving and thirsty, and have no money and no nothing, and there are collapsed stores and supermarkets you'll seek to take what you need for your friends and family. That's not looting, that's rational behaviour towards survival

Exactly! - and an excellent point!!

Of course, there will always be the shithead, lowlife, criminal element who wants to steal and hoard food from the collapsed shops and supermarkets - and rip off people by selling the food at inflated prices... people will pay anything when its a life or death / eat or starve situation.

Perhaps if aid from the International community was got in quicker and more efficiently; and there was a sound International Contigency Plan in place ready for terrible events like this; then there wouldnt be the need for 10,000 US troops to be sent in. Haiti has a lot of gun crime and no doubt US soldiers will be fired upon in certain situations with possible US deaths.

[anthony1965]

Come on lets be open minded about this, yeah it could be an invasion, but at the same time if the troops are really helping, then its out of order for us to sit back and cynically tear them apart, in the end we are not doing anything to help, typing behind our computer screens.

This is an internet forum.

We are here to discuss all aspects of what is going on.

This is not a rah rah rally to support the US of A.

The United States has been criticized by many sources for hampering rather than helping the aid action in Haiti.

And quite rightly.

[oioioi]

How many days was it before assistance arrived in New Orleans?
How many days did it take to get to Haiti?

[sofa king]

How many days was it before assistance arrived in New Orleans?
How many days did it take to get to Haiti?

bad example.

the US constitution FORBIDS federal troops from entering any state and engaging in any operation without approval of that states governor!

That is the law.

Go back and re-read the Katrina history. It was the governor of Louisiana that F-ed up. And the mayor of New Orleans. The troops were in stand by waiting for word to begin. The governor and mayor waffled for 3 days before giving the OK for federal troops to enter.

The president of Haiti asked for assisance the minute the earthquake hit. Not 3 days later.

[elysiansix]

Haiti in symbolism speak spells "HINT"

This is a foretaste of the future - the takeover and communisation of the whole world by the back door - introduce the military and totalitarianism to respond to a 'national' or 'natural'.........(if you exclude nuclear devices to instigate Tsunamis, earthquakes, etc.) disaster.

Who wins?? Insurers, bankers, politicians and the Destroy-Rebuild Freemasons-Zionists-Illuminati.

Can always tell if the disasters have the numbers 281 or 2001 - or 2010 in them: the birthdate of their Spiritual Cripple, the Zionist Messiah. Plus those very special numbers - 9 and 11, in any form/order.

There are going to be a lot of so called disasters using the above numbers, this year. Including Terrorism.

[anthony1965]

How many days was it before assistance arrived in New Orleans?
How many days did it take to get to Haiti?

And what crimes were committed amidst the chaos of Katrina?

I hope that the international presence can restrain the worst of Uncle Sam's brutality.

There are more eyes on them in Haiti that in their own backyard.

[real6]

If you're starving and thirsty, and have no money and no nothing, and there are collapsed stores and supermarkets you'll seek to take what you need for your friends and family. That's not looting, that's rational behaviour towards survival


Dude, that's the best fucking quote i've heard in a very long time!!!

[john connor]

Dude, that's the best fucking quote i've heard in a very long time!!!

+1

[velma]

The US is sending another 4,000 sailors and marines to Haiti for the earthquake relief effort, diverting them from deployments in the Gulf and Africa.

The 24th Marine Expeditionary Unit and USS Nassau Amphibious Ready Group would "significantly" increase the ability to quickly provide aid, the navy said.

The move will increase the number of US troops involved to around 16,000.

A mass exodus in tiny boats began yesterday - fuelling fears thousands could perish in the seas around Haiti.

Other refugees boarded a giant freighter that did set sail - as Haiti's ambassador in Washington begged the boat people to turn back.

Raymond Joseph warned: "If you think you will reach the US and all the doors will be wide open to you, that's not at all the case.

"They will intercept you right on the water and send you back home."

[pi3141]

Originally Posted by paolo
If you're starving and thirsty, and have no money and no nothing, and there are collapsed stores and supermarkets you'll seek to take what you need for your friends and family. That's not looting, that's rational behaviour towards survival

Originally Posted by real6
Dude, that's the best fucking quote i've heard in a very long time!!!


+1

+2

I'm sitting here at work downlinking the 'Hope for Haiti' program with all the American 'talent' all dressed in black, singing their hearts out and pleading for donations for aid but the American soldiers in Haiti have refused to allow aid planes from France to land - this is so messed up. Whats the point in giving money if the aid won't get there, do the people on this program know that aid planes have been refused to land.