Credo Mutwa - not impressed

[trev1]

I just finished watching Ickes 6hr 30mins interview with Credo Mutwa.
I have to say I am not impressed. Sure, he tells a good story, but after listening with an open mind I felt there was something not quite right with it. I don't know why but it is just my gut feeling or intuition that told me. Two things more than most did not add up:
1. He describes been abducted in 1959 by aliens (the Greys) and some other
strange looking entities. They took him onboard their craft and tortured the life out of him, sticking things up his nose and in his leg while on some kind of operating table. He describes at one stage blood filling his mouth and him screaming in pain. Then remarkably another female being enters (that is well endowed seemingly) and
makes love to him. Now I don't know about you but if I was tortured like he described it would take me probably several weeks to 'get it up' so to speak (lol). Yet know problem to him at all away he goes! I'm sorry this story does not add up if you use logic.
2. He says that the Grey aliens are like workers for the reptiles and that both of them are actually not 'alien' but from the earth. But later on he seems to contradict himself by saying they came from another planet and the reptiles actually lived in the sea?

I'm suprised Icke didn't cop on to this - a bit gullable if you ask me. Also throughout the interview you were just crying out for Icke to ask him, where do these being reside exactly?
But he never asked that question.

He also describes 'the chitahouri' as being 11 foot tall and some of them having a middle eye (like the cyclops), and some of them horns. Also that the main leader (who is supposedly still alive) who had his eyes sown together by a jealous wife? First of all for all Davids talk of these things
'shapeshifting' .ell would that be impossible if the things are 11 ft tall? Secondly whey would these being need a middle eye at all and the wife sowing them shut sounded like a domestic that I couldn't
see higher intellegent beings having to be honest :)

Any other opinon on this>?

[darkrue]

I just finished watching Ickes 6hr 30mins interview with Credo Mutwa.
I have to say I am not impressed. Sure, he tells a good story, but after listening with an open mind I felt there was something not quite right with it. I don't know why but it is just my gut feeling or intuition that told me. Two things more than most did not add up:
1. He describes been abducted in 1959 by aliens (the Greys) and some other
strange looking entities. They took him onboard their craft and tortured the life out of him, sticking things up his nose and in his leg while on some kind of operating table. He describes at one stage blood filling his mouth and him screaming in pain. Then remarkably another female being enters (that is well endowed seemingly) and
makes love to him. Now I don't know about you but if I was tortured like he described it would take me probably several weeks to 'get it up' so to speak (lol). Yet know problem to him at all away he goes! I'm sorry this story does not add up if you use logic.
2. He says that the Grey aliens are like workers for the reptiles and that both of them are actually not 'alien' but from the earth. But later on he seems to contradict himself by saying they came from another planet and the reptiles actually lived in the sea?

I'm suprised Icke didn't cop on to this - a bit gullable if you ask me. Also throughout the interview you were just crying out for Icke to ask him, where do these being reside exactly?
But he never asked that question.

He also describes 'the chitahouri' as being 11 foot tall and some of them having a middle eye (like the cyclops), and some of them horns. Also that the main leader (who is supposedly still alive) who had his eyes sown together by a jealous wife? First of all for all Davids talk of these things
'shapeshifting' .ell would that be impossible if the things are 11 ft tall? Secondly whey would these being need a middle eye at all and the wife sowing them shut sounded like a domestic that I couldn't
see higher intellegent beings having to be honest :)

Any other opinon on this>?

I saw that too, and I agree with you in that the literal descriptions he gave don't logically add up. I don't believe he was lying in anyway, but perhaps his experience was for his understanding alone, and that was merely his interpretation of his experience....something that *his* soul understood.

I could be wrong with my interpretation, but I agree that his experience didn't seem to add up completely for me either. I think it all comes down to how an individual interprets their own spiritual awareness, and not everyone is going to view things the same way.

[elo_zorn]

I tried posting a thread on this topic before and my thread was immediately tossed into the "conspiratainment forum". He was accused of being a fraud in this book-> http://www.usask.ca/relst/jrpc/br15-authenticfakes.html

Although I haven't read the book myself and wouldn't convict anyone of anything based on a single book, I find it rather odd that the one "Zulu" shaman that spills the beans on our supposed reptilian overlords happens to be one that's already been accused of spiritual fraud be his own people. Also, if this is part of Zulu tradition/history, why is he the only "Zulu" saying so?

[architectorion]

I understand where you are coming from, but I don't discount him 100%, it just seems he comes from a more superstitous mindset than we are used to where myth and fact blur in ways that seem incredulous to us.

The part that really made me roll my eyes was when he talked about thier 'test' to discover a reptile hybrid.... where they dig a hole, fill it with milk then force the person under suspicion to jump over the hole. If they are a reptile, they say, a tail will unfurl from thier bodies and try to drink the milk, and this is, obviously, bullshit.

[thefreedomagenda]

I have seen the first two hours of it on google, one thing I remember Mutwa saying is that they ate a piece of a God and it made himself and the guy with him chronicly sick, hallucinating and other things, do you remember him saying this or have I just misunderstood him.

[trev1]

I have seen the first two hours of it on google, one thing I remember Mutwa saying is that they ate a piece of a God and it made himself and the guy with him chronicly sick, hallucinating and other things, do you remember him saying this or have I just misunderstood him.

no your right he said that !

[white horse]

I've watched soem but not all of this.

It is possible that it is a cultural/language difference. Credo is saying that he is privvy to secret information, secret history, which is why you wont find it in mainstream Zulu lore.

go to any indiginous peoples and try to translate their creation stories and other myths into English prose, it does not scan very well. Try a Mayan or Azteca Shaman and try to logically piece together what is said, it is very very tricky and is full of contradiction and incredulous events.

African cultures are notoripus for this as well; their histories are told in deeply woven allegorical stories. The story is designed to be memorable so that it can be remembered. It is like a fable, a metaphor, so that the Shaman can remember it ( a bit like the memory tricks we use in business and personal development in teh west - you can remenber a whole string of random objects very easily but weaving them into a fantastical story that make sno logical sense, but is instantly memeorable).

Then the trick of the Shaman is to know the keys of the story and how that translate into the story of the people in reality; maybe not a literal reality like we are used to in recorded western history by detailing the minutae of events; but by forming stepping stones in a generic story of the history.

It's a tactic that is used in oral traditions around the world, from Ireland to Australia. Non of the stories make any sense; they aren't supposed to, it is deliberate to a) hide the real truth to initiates only and b) make it easier to remember verbally.


I will try to watch the rest at some point to judge furhter...

[yass]

I understand where you are coming from, but I don't discount him 100%, it just seems he comes from a more superstitous mindset than we are used to where myth and fact blur in ways that seem incredulous to us.

The part that really made me roll my eyes was when he talked about thier 'test' to discover a reptile hybrid.... where they dig a hole, fill it with milk then force the person under suspicion to jump over the hole. If they are a reptile, they say, a tail will unfurl from thier bodies and try to drink the milk, and this is, obviously, bullshit.

I didn't see any video, but I have sure read the story :)

Every school child in South Africa, sir, knows about the story of a princess called Khombecansini. Khombecansini was to have married a handsome Prince called Kakaka, a name which means “the enlightened one”. Now, one day while Khombecansini was gathering firewood in the bush, she met a creature called an Imbulu. And this Imbulu was a lizard which has the body and the limbs of a human being, but a long tail. And this lizard spoke to Princess Khombecansini, “Oh, how beautiful you are, girl, I wish I could be like you. I wish I could look like you. Can I come close to you?” said the Imbulu lizard woman to the princess.

And the princess said, “Yes, you can.”

And as the lizard, which was a taller one, came close to the girl, she spat into the girl’s eyes and she began to change. That is, the lizard suddenly changed into a human shape and this lizard began to look more and more and more and more like the girl, with the exception of her long, pointed tail. And then, with her sudden burst of violence, the lizard woman sealed the princess and removed all her bangles and her beads and her wedding skirt off her, and she put them on. Thus, the lizard became the princess.

Now there were two identical women in the bush, the shape-shifted lizard woman and the original woman. And the lizard woman said to the original woman, “Now you are my slave. Now you are going to accompany me to the marriage. I will be you and you will be my slave, come-on!” She took a stick and started beating up the poor princess. And then she went, accompanied by other girls who were bride’s maids, according to Zulu custom, and she arrived at Prince Kakaka’s village. But, before they reached the village she had to do something about her tail, that is, the shape-shifting woman had, somehow, to hide the tail. So, she forced the princess to weave a net out of fiber and she tucked the tail in and she tied it tight to herself. She now looked like a Zulu woman with attractive, very big buttocks, when seen from outside.

And then, when she arrived and she became the wife of the prince, a strange thing started happening in the village. All of the milk started disappearing because each night the shape-shifting princess, the false princess, used to release her tail, which used to suck in all of the sour milk through a hole at the tip of the tail. And the mother-in-law said, “What is this? Why is the milk disappearing?” Then, she said, “No, I see, there is an Imbulu amongst us.”

The mother-in-law, who was a clever old lady, said, “A hole must be dug in the front of the village and it must be filled with milk.” And this was done. And then, all of the girls who had come with the false princess were told to jump over this hole. One after the other one, they jumped. And when the shape-shifter was forced, at spear-point, to jump as well, as she jumped her long tail burst out of the net under her skirt and started slurping the milk through the hole, and the warriors killed the shape-shifter. And thus, the real Princess Khombecansini became the wife of the king-of King Kakaka.

Now, sir, this story has got many versions in it. Throughout South Africa, amongst many tribes, you’ll find stories of these amazing creatures who are capable of changing from reptile to human being, and from reptile to any other animal of their choice. And these creatures, sir, do really exist. No matter where you go throughout Southern, Eastern, Western, and Central Africa, you’ll find that the description of these creatures is the same. Even amongst tribes which never, throughout their long history, had contact with each other at all.

http://www.metatech.org/credo_mutwa.html

[yass]

I have seen the first two hours of it on google, one thing I remember Mutwa saying is that they ate a piece of a God and it made himself and the guy with him chronicly sick, hallucinating and other things, do you remember him saying this or have I just misunderstood him.

And, this story...


Far too many people fall into the temptation of looking upon these “aliens” as supernatural creatures. They are just solid creatures, sir. They are like us; and, furthermore, I’m going to make a statement here which will come as a surprise: the Grey aliens, sir, are edible. Surprised?

Martin: Please continue.

Credo Mutwa: I said, sir, the Grey aliens are edible.

Martin: Yes, I heard that and I’m anxious to....

Credo Mutwa: Their flesh is protein, just as animal flesh on Earth is, but, anyone who ingests Grey alien flesh comes very, very close to death. I nearly did.

You see, in Lesotho there is a mountain called Laribe; it is called the Crying Stone mountain. On several occasions, in the last 50 years or so, alien craft have crashed against this mountain.

And one last incident was reported in the newspapers not so long ago. An African who believes that these creatures are gods, when they find the corpse of a dead Grey alien, they take it, put it in a bag, and drag it into the bush, where they dismember it and ritually eat it. But some of them die as a result of ingesting that thing.

About a year before I had the experience from the Inyangani Mountains, I had been given, by a friend of mine in Lesotho, flesh from what he called a sky god. I was skeptical.

He gave me a small lump of grey, rather dry stuff, which he said was the flesh. And he and I and his wife ritually ate this thing, one night. After we had eaten this thing, sir, on the following day, exactly, our bodies erupted into a rash which was like nothing I had experienced in my life before.

Our bodies were so full of the rash and urticaria, it was as if we had small pox. We itched, the itching was horrible, especially under the arm-pits and between the legs, and the buttocks. Our tongues began to swell. We could not breathe. And for a number of days, my friend, his wife and I were totally helpless, secretly attended by initiates who were studying under my friend, who was a shaman.

I came very close to death. There was bleeding from nearly every orifice in our body. We passed blood, much blood when we went to the toilet. We could barely walk, barely breathe. And after about 4 or 5 days, the rash subsided, then the pealing of the skin took its place now. Our skins began to peal, in scales like that of a snake shedding it’s skin.

Sir, it was one of the most terrible experiences I had undergone. In fact, when I began to feel better, I think that my being abducted by the Mantindane was the direct result of my having ingested flesh from one of these creatures. I had not believed that what my friend was giving me was flesh from a creature. I assumed it was some kind of root or herb or whatever. But, afterwards, I recalled the taste of the thing. It had a coppery taste, and had the same type of smell that I was to encounter in 1959.

And, after the rash went down-while I was still peeling and we were smeared from head to foot with coconut oil by the initiates, every day-a strange change came over us, sir, which I am asking all people of knowledge who would read this in your country to try and explain to me. We went crazy, sir, utterly crazy.

We started laughing like real loony tunes. It was ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha, day after day-for the slightest things we started laughing our heads off, for hours, until you were nearly exhausted.

And then the laughing went away; and then a strange thing happened, a thing which my friend said was the goal which those who ate the flesh of a Mantindane wanted to achieve.

It was as if we had ingested a strange substance, a drug, a drug like no other on this Earth. Suddenly, our feelings were heightened.

When you drank water, it was as if you had drunk a wine of some kind. Water became as delicious as a man-made drink. Food began to taste amazingly. Every feeling was heightened, and it’s indescribable-it was as if I was one with the very heart of the universe. I cannot describe it any other way.

And this feeling of amazing intensity of feeling lasted for over 2 months. When I listened to music, it was as if there was music behind the music, behind the music. When I painted pictures-which is what I do for a living-and when I was holding a particular color on the tip of my brush, it was as if there were other colors in that color. It was an indescribable thing, sir. Even now I cannot describe it. But let me now, sir, go to something else.

http://www.metatech.org/credo_mutwa.html

[fairyelfdog]

I tried posting a thread on this topic before and my thread was immediately tossed into the "conspiratainment forum". He was accused of being a fraud in this book-> http://www.usask.ca/relst/jrpc/br15-authenticfakes.html

Although I haven't read the book myself and wouldn't convict anyone of anything based on a single book, I find it rather odd that the one "Zulu" shaman that spills the beans on our supposed reptilian overlords happens to be one that's already been accused of spiritual fraud be his own people. Also, if this is part of Zulu tradition/history, why is he the only "Zulu" saying so?

I found parts of the book you are referring to here:

http://books.google.se/books?id=96AoZ5lcMFsC&pg=PA69&lpg=PA69&dq=credo+mutwa+necklace&source=bl&ots=zsZix8Oc3_&sig=snbmy6ESBdDpYNh4sfDAPb8MhkQ&hl=sv&ei=w5FRS56hGpbsmwOi-MydCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CCQQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=credo%20mutwa%20necklace&f=false

It doesn't look good for Credo. Unless this text is a complete lie, it seems Credo is a fake. I'll copy-paste some quotes.

Edit: Well, I can't seem to use copy-paste for this one but I recommend reading it. It really puts things in a different light. Could you link me to the thread you made, elo?

[size_of_light]

Remember when he said he was building a sentient robot out of junk and spare parts around his house?

Whatever happened to that.

[fairyelfdog]

Remember when he said he was building a sentient robot out of junk and spare parts around his house?

Whatever happened to that.

Hm. What a strange thing to say. :rolleyes: :confused:

[childofthetao]

Does anyone find it strange how David seems so passive and timid and quiet around Credo during the interviews?

I don't know what to make of that.

Thoughts anyone?

Peace
Child of the Tao

[size_of_light]

Hm. What a strange thing to say. :rolleyes: :confused:

lol..no, I'm serious!

He did say this. I'll try to dig up the text of the interview for you.

[chattanova]

Credo Mutwa claims the grey's are reptilians in a spacesuit, but then he also claims he have eaten a grey (which gave him some trip ) but no mention of eating a reptilian which he then would have done :confused:
He's been on herbs for too long IMO

[size_of_light]

Hm. What a strange thing to say. :rolleyes: :confused:

lol..no, I'm serious!

He did say this. I'll try to dig up the text of the interview for you.

OK, I got the sentient bit wrong but here's what he said:

I make engines, rocket engines that actually work. I make guns, of any type I wish, and all people who know me will tell you this and, Mr. David Icke, sir, might show you pictures of what I’ve done around my new home. I have made large robots out of scrap iron, and some of these robots are going to work. I don’t know where I acquired this knowledge from.

http://www.librarising.com/conspiracy/CM1.html

[thefreedomagenda]

Thanks for thst post Yass, I am not sure what to make of Credo, he or david have said that he is often targeted by agents, but how can a 80 odd year old man avoid highly trained agents/assassins unless he has some sort of protection beyond human eyesight, doesnt David claim to have some sort of protector.

[eternal_spirit]

What about the hand? Some kind of initiation ritual when he was younger. His elder teachers dug up a corpse from a graveyard, cut off a hand, then cooked it on the fire. Then asked Credo, "would you do anything for knowledge?"
He said "yes". He was told to eat the cooked hand, and claimed he ate it!, all of it. Seems like weird Voodoo.

[velma]

Metaphor and allegory in mythology which describes geophysical and astronomical events is being translated as factual accounts of history.

Bullsh*t IMHO!

[noewhan]

He describes at one stage blood filling his mouth and him screaming in pain. Then remarkably another female being enters (that is well endowed seemingly) and
makes love to him. Now I don't know about you but if I was tortured like he described it would take me probably several weeks to 'get it up' so to speak (lol). Yet know problem to him at all away he goes! I'm sorry this story does not add up if you use logic.
2. He says that the Grey aliens are like workers for the reptiles and that both of them are actually not 'alien' but from the earth. But later on he seems to contradict himself by saying they came from another planet and the reptiles actually lived in the sea?


Well, the greys / reps could have the technology to get you up, even if you're in any altered state of consciousness.

And, it's a possibility, that the greys & reptilians evolved on Earth, left then retuned many years later. Just my 2 cents.
Credo Mutwa claims the grey's are reptilians in a spacesuit, but then he also claims he have eaten a grey (which gave him some trip ) but no mention of eating a reptilian which he then would have done :confused:
He's been on herbs for too long IMO

Apparently Whitley Strieber would agree with that (debunked?). In the movie 'Communion', you see a Grey's (or in that films case, orange, with other little blue men) skin come off, and underneath it's green / scaly.

[marpat]

Credo Mutwa claims the grey's are reptilians in a spacesuit, but then he also claims he have eaten a grey (which gave him some trip ) but no mention of eating a reptilian which he then would have done :confused:
He's been on herbs for too long IMO

He did confess to digging up a corpse and eating the hand to gain occult knowledge though, which I think is totally unnecessary.

[nutrition]

I have seen the first two hours of it on google, one thing I remember Mutwa saying is that they ate a piece of a God and it made himself and the guy with him chronicly sick, hallucinating and other things, do you remember him saying this or have I just misunderstood him.

i believe he was referring to the 'grey aliens'.

[nutrition]

Also throughout the interview you were just crying out for Icke to ask him, where do these being reside exactly?
But he never asked that question.



...actually Credo did point out a couple specific places in which those beings (reptilians and greys) still reside, being beneath the Matobo Hills (Matopo or Madobo) in Zimbabwe as well as another mountain just east of Zimbabwe.


it seems that a few of the question you have asked seem to skip over things that were mentioned, and you have to remember that a large portion of what he says was passed down through Zulu initiations and stories - he is just repeating those stories as he heard them, which means that some things probably would contradict his personal story slightly. He is actually a very respected man in southern Africa, THE official historian of the Zulu nation.

oh, and the last thing I wanted to point out was about his sexual encounter after being examined/tortured by the beings. you mentioned that he wouldn't be able to have sex, but this wasn't sex for pleasure with him humping the hell out of the alien doggy-style, he was basically aroused and raped - a common theme in encounter/abductions with both men and women. obviously some genetic and reproductive motives there, not pleasure....

anyway, i'll let you know if i think of anything else i forgot to mention...


....oh yeah, he wasn't taken aboard a craft, he was taken underground into the Matobo hills, to an underground base - which he identifies as being not just there, but all over the world.

[noobcybot]

1. He describes been abducted in 1959 by aliens (the Greys) and some other
strange looking entities. They took him onboard their craft and tortured the life out of him, sticking things up his nose and in his leg while on some kind of operating table. He describes at one stage blood filling his mouth and him screaming in pain. Then remarkably another female being enters (that is well endowed seemingly) and
makes love to him. Now I don't know about you but if I was tortured like he described it would take me probably several weeks to 'get it up' so to speak (lol). Yet know problem to him at all away he goes! I'm sorry this story does not add up if you use logic.

It seems however this experience he described is goes pretty much hand in hand with human interaction with aliens or more perhaps correctly metaphysical beings.

For example cave paintings show men who look like they have been injured with many spears (along with ufo like depictions, shapeshifting/anthropamorphic animals, bug people ie greys, the "silver line" described so often in obe). We also have the stories of the flaming swords angels carry. That certain saints describe being stabbed by befere "going" to see God.

And in the present day we have the surgical style testing described by people who claim to have been abducted by aliens.


2. He says that the Grey aliens are like workers for the reptiles and that both of them are actually not 'alien' but from the earth. But later on he seems to contradict himself by saying they came from another planet and the reptiles actually lived in the sea?

This did seem pretty suspect I agree. I guess it could mean they came to Earth and from another planet, resided here for a while and then they hid the fact they were ever here before as best they could. Or it could be some strange metaphysical jive. But I agree, this should have been expanded on.


I'm suprised Icke didn't cop on to this - a bit gullable if you ask me. Also throughout the interview you were just crying out for Icke to ask him, where do these being reside exactly?
But he never asked that question.

Totally.

He also describes 'the chitahouri' as being 11 foot tall and some of them having a middle eye (like the cyclops), and some of them horns. Also that the main leader (who is supposedly still alive) who had his eyes sown together by a jealous wife? First of all for all Davids talk of these things
'shapeshifting' .ell would that be impossible if the things are 11 ft tall? Secondly whey would these being need a middle eye at all and the wife sowing them shut sounded like a domestic that I couldn't
see higher intellegent beings having to be honest :)

Any other opinon on this>?

The idea of a horn in relation to spiritual knowledge is touched on here.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92137&page=145

I think the wife sowing husbands eyes shut story is some kind of allagory for the third eye etc.... the story kind of reminds me of the Greek gods and the way they were said to go about things.

I think the Voodoo style is one of the most alien and "backward" looking to our Western eyes.

The story about eating the hand reminded me of the Aghori who try to reach spiritual enlightment by breaking taboos (like some Satanists are said to do) and meditating on death.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[nutrition]

I tried posting a thread on this topic before and my thread was immediately tossed into the "conspiratainment forum". He was accused of being a fraud in this book-> http://www.usask.ca/relst/jrpc/br15-authenticfakes.html

Although I haven't read the book myself and wouldn't convict anyone of anything based on a single book, I find it rather odd that the one "Zulu" shaman that spills the beans on our supposed reptilian overlords happens to be one that's already been accused of spiritual fraud be his own people. Also, if this is part of Zulu tradition/history, why is he the only "Zulu" saying so?

it seems that this book was written by a man from south africa, randomly attacking credo based on no actual evidence other than what some other africans have said about it.

i'm going to take a wild stab at it and guess that his talks of extraterrestrials would probably envoke much contraversy amongst anyone who has no knowledge of such things (especially since it seems like he went through a lot of trouble and initiation to gain such knowledge), and is now being visciously attacked by the ones who don't understand, don't believe or just want to discredit him.

the same could be said about david icke or anyone involved in such talks... and you'd think that more people would be trying to expose him as a fraud rather than just one author who is hell-bent on writing books that discredit 'religious fakery'. i wouldn't give much credit to the author and his claims without exponential evidence... and from what i've read from other Africans concerning Credo Mutwa, he is a highly respected man.

“I’d like to sit with the Dalai Lama and Sir Richard Branson, and spend more time with Madiba. I wish I could have met Mother Teresa. I’d also love to meet Michelle Obama and Credo Mutwa [the Zulu shaman]. -Thami Ngubeni (South African actress, presenter, writer, editor, radio personality and producer)

[white horse]

It seems however this experience he described is goes pretty much hand in hand with human interaction with aliens or more perhaps correctly metaphysical beings.

For example cave paintings show men who look like they have been injured with many spears (along with ufo like depictions, shapeshifting/anthropamorphic animals, bug people ie greys, the "silver line" described so often in obe). We also have the stories of the flaming swords angels carry. That certain saints describe being stabbed by befere "going" to see God.



I think you're right - in the enourmous pantheon of abduction stories from all cultures it is very common to find people subject to some form of medical exam followed by making love/mating with an EBE.

[noobcybot]

I think you're right - in the enourmous pantheon of abduction stories from all cultures it is very common to find people subject to some form of medical exam followed by making love/mating with an EBE.


For real WH, I actually forgot about the sexual aspect there (often following the surgery/torture). It seems abduction cases seem to centre around certain genotypes, they seem to want small males and females.

Some females are impregnated and sometimes in the real describe phantom pregnancy. Some women are abductd and used as carers of some kind for the hybrid babies. Things get really absurd at this point but there are plenty of folklore tales of "elves swapping human babies with changlings".

[john connor]

Ok I'm glad I found this thread, I've not watched this video but I did read a Credo interview with a guy called Rick Martin. I don't want to comment too much on the interview itself, as i am new to the Rep theory, I wanted to ask those of you that have done more research a few Q's.

If these Reps have always been here, why do you think that our technology has only really advanced at a massive rate in the last 60+ years? is it because a 3rd party entered the equation then?

Are these reps also known as the Annunaki?

My own belief is that we are an engineered species, there is something above the New World Order controlling their actions - something not human as we know it

[noobcybot]

If these Reps have always been here, why do you think that our technology has only really advanced at a massive rate in the last 60+ years? is it because a 3rd party entered the equation then?


It is becoming clear that there was has been a lot of technological knowledge "gone missing". It seems there has been some effort to destroy hidden knowledge.

This technology though might be differant to our concept in that it wasnt based on Western science and mechanics and is more based on sacred geometry etc....

The other theory is that our technology is our attempt to gain powers we already had in terms of telekinesis(telephones) etc....

For example the Pyramids and Stone Henge might have been build using a technique whereby preiests hum and chant and these vibrations change the physical makeup of the stones used, making them lighter and more easy to move then they are to us.

So they might have had "knowledge" that didnt exactly require physical engineering.

Are these reps also known as the Annunaki?


Its a tough one. They might be a differant race altogether. There are some posters who seem to have a good grasp on this so I will also wait on the answer.

My own belief is that we are an engineered species, there is something above the New World Order controlling their actions - something not human as we know it

I concur, be it physcial or metaphysical, any deep research into the agenda indicates a hidden and great power that is non-human.

[john connor]

It is becoming clear that there was has been a lot of technological knowledge "gone missing". It seems there has been some effort to destroy hidden knowledge.

This technology though might be differant to our concept in that it wasnt based on Western science and mechanics and is more based on sacred geometry etc....

The other theory is that our technology is our attempt to gain powers we already had in terms of telekinesis(telephones) etc....

For example the Pyramids and Stone Henge might have been build using a technique whereby preiests hum and chant and these vibrations change the physical makeup of the stones used, making them lighter and more easy to move then they are to us.

So they might have had "knowledge" that didnt exactly require physical engineering.




Its a tough one. They might be a differant race altogether. There are some posters who seem to have a good grasp on this so I will also wait on the answer.



I concur, be it physcial or metaphysical, any deep research into the agenda indicates a hidden and great power that is non-human.

Thanks for the reply...It's the one Q I can't come to a conclusion that satisfies me, I have no doubt we are not alone, I think the 'Gods' of mythology were indeed an advanced Alien Race, the description of Reps living underground with huge fires to keep warm...er well that sounds familiar doesn't it :-) The 12 strands of DNA have been a puzzle, ie..we have either lost abilities or are yet to gain them, according to the interview I read, we did indeed once have 'psychic abilities, I think for some reason some of us are starting to get them back in small doses, things have happened to me over the last few years that defy 'logical' explanation. Its the technology Q that really bothers me...either they lost all of it in some kind of ancient massive global war/disaster or this is from a 3rd party...even if they lost the 'equipment' wouldn't the knowledge have been retained? why would it have taken them 1000's of years to get back to this level of Technology?

A non human control of our greedy / insane Elite (sic) makes perfect sense to me, they may well be 'bloodlines' but still not the real power, I don't want to get into a religious debate, I do believe in good and evil, light and dark..just not a God on a cloud, a universal conscious is another matter

[noobcybot]

Its the technology Q that really bothers me...either they lost all of it in some kind of ancient massive global war/disaster or this is from a 3rd party...even if they lost the 'equipment' wouldn't the knowledge have been retained? why would it have taken them 1000's of years to get back to this level of Technology?


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11442

But if the people controllng the world didnt want the knowledge to be retained they might do things like burn down libraries and universities. Its suggested a lot of The Crusades and even the modern day crusades in Iraq have been an effort to keep things hidden.

So all the controller would have to do to keep it hidden is set up a new technological timeline that is more based of physical science than anything spiritual. Its often said there is hardly a differance between technology and magic. Drip feeding it to us so we slowly gain and they can make max profit and energy from it and also it gives them a lever for world events.

I think for example, if we think we have only just gained the ability to go in space, we are unlikely to believe there has ever been a connection between humanity and extraterrestrials before this.

[elo_zorn]

Nutrition-

Pardon me, but have you actually read this book? What exactly are you implying by saying the book is "randomly attacking credo based on no actual evidence other than what some other africans have said about it." ???

"Other Africans" ? You mean the people belonging to the communities he lived in, and the Zulu culture he claims to be a leader of? This is one of best sources for this info to come from if you ask me, the people who know him best; his roots!

You also imply that his ET claims may be the reason for why he's come under fire...why would his own people accuse him of spiritual fraud over their own supposed Zulu beliefs? Why is he the only one talking about this stuff? Why aren't his supposed teachers that passed down his info accused of the same frauds? Why is he so well versed in pop culture to reference his stories to while at the same time he's toted as more reliable because of the lack of 1st world/pop culture influence?

Claiming he has had secret tradition passed down to him, and then putting it all on videos to be mass distributed seems a little contradictory don't you think? Your comment about the author was a little overboard as well...writing the guy off for producing such a book. Icke's books are all based on "frauds" as well, need I remind you.

Also, the opinion of one South African actress does not make him a "well respected" African at all...especially an opinion that ranks Michelle Obama alongside Mother Teresa and the Dalai Lama hahaha...oh man. The only people chewing on Credu's stories without a generous grain of salt are people that don't know his background; might I add again that it's his roots that are accusing him of his frauds. Leaving his communities behind with his tail between his legs, and making friends in his new pop culture role is hardly a reason to add any weight to his claims and it certainly doesn't denote respect.

[john connor]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11442

But if the people controllng the world didnt want the knowledge to be retained they might do things like burn down libraries and universities. Its suggested a lot of The Crusades and even the modern day crusades in Iraq have been an effort to keep things hidden.

So all the controller would have to do to keep it hidden is set up a new technological timeline that is more based of physical science than anything spiritual. Its often said there is hardly a differance between technology and magic. Drip feeding it to us so we slowly gain and they can make max profit and energy from it and also it gives them a lever for world events.

I think for example, if we think we have only just gained the ability to go in space, we are unlikely to believe there has ever been a connection between humanity and extraterrestrials before this.

I hear what your saying...I don't doubt evidence has been destroyed, hidden, what I can't get my head around is why IF they have always been here have they waited so long, unless time is relative, what I mean, for arguments sake, is their lifespans are infinitely longer than ours and what is 2000 years to us is nothing to them. I think there is ample evidence to support the existence of the 'Grey s', abductions, cattle mutilations, the sheer number of people who go missing each year, Hollywood - always seems to be Greys that are the ET....I wouldn't be shocked to see Obama announce (disclosure) the ET presence sometime in the next 2 years - I would wager it would be the Greys and they are hardly here for the benefit of humanity, to my way of thinking, whatever ET presence is here, is in league with the NWO

[white horse]

I hear what your saying...I don't doubt evidence has been destroyed, hidden, what I can't get my head around is why IF they have always been here have they waited so long, unless time is relative, what I mean, for arguments sake, is their lifespans are infinitely longer than ours and what is 2000 years to us is nothing to them. I think there is ample evidence to support the existence of the 'Grey s', abductions, cattle mutilations, the sheer number of people who go missing each year, Hollywood - always seems to be Greys that are the ET....I wouldn't be shocked to see Obama announce (disclosure) the ET presence sometime in the next 2 years - I would wager it would be the Greys and they are hardly here for the benefit of humanity, to my way of thinking, whatever ET presence is here, is in league with the NWO

Think about it, it is only in the last century that communications have meant that infomation can be shared easily, and only in the last decade or two that it has become accessible to pretty much everyone on the planet.

Just think how easily it would be to prevent this info getting to a working class British man in his home in the 50s. Easy. What would he know about Sumer/Babylon that was not in his school 11+ history books or the Daily Express or his local Public Library?? Nothing.

Think the same now... his son might come downstairs and tell him all about these things he has seen on the internet - gets dad thinking... *bingo* you're into hundred-monkey syndrome... Dad goes upsatirs - son shows him pictures that are not available in mainstream knowledge from ancient Babylon... etc etc etc - where is the control over the Modern Orthodoxy? Rememebr as well that we hear a lot about what an enourmous struggle it is for the nwo/ptb to control this stuff... they are apparantly on the verge of panic in keeping information down. easire to destroy it at all sources.

[john connor]

Think about it, it is only in the last century that communications have meant that infomation can be shared easily, and only in the last decade or two that it has become accessible to pretty much everyone on the planet.

Just think how easily it would be to prevent this info getting to a working class British man in his home in the 50s. Easy. What would he know about Sumer/Babylon that was not in his school 11+ history books or the Daily Express or his local Public Library?? Nothing.

Think the same now... his son might come downstairs and tell him all about these things he has seen on the internet - gets dad thinking... *bingo* you're into hundred-monkey syndrome... Dad goes upsatirs - son shows him pictures that are not available in mainstream knowledge from ancient Babylon... etc etc etc - where is the control over the Modern Orthodoxy? Rememebr as well that we hear a lot about what an enourmous struggle it is for the nwo/ptb to control this stuff... they are apparantly on the verge of panic in keeping information down. easire to destroy it at all sources.

Its true what you say...I never learned anything like that at school..mind you that was in the days of chalk and slates lol.....they may well be panicking ..they may also not be bothered now as maybe their plans are too far advanced....I really think a lot of Q's will be answered in the next few years

[nutrition]

Ok I'm glad I found this thread, I've not watched this video but I did read a Credo interview with a guy called Rick Martin. I don't want to comment too much on the interview itself, as i am new to the Rep theory, I wanted to ask those of you that have done more research a few Q's.

If these Reps have always been here, why do you think that our technology has only really advanced at a massive rate in the last 60+ years? is it because a 3rd party entered the equation then?

Are these reps also known as the Annunaki?

My own belief is that we are an engineered species, there is something above the New World Order controlling their actions - something not human as we know it

yes, the reps are also known as the anunnaki among other things. there is also nordic/aryan bloodlines mixed in with some of them.

also, our technology has advanced incredibly in the last 60 years partially due to the dissemination of information, as well as other means... plus the global awakening probably has something to do with it as well (as far as free energy and similar technologies go). you have to remember that the egyptians and other ancient civilizations were using batteries, computers, and even had sculptures/depictions of airplanes, helicopters, and spacecraft galore. check out the history channel documentary 'Ancient Aliens' for some basic straightforward info on that (surprisingly they did a great job with it)

[john connor]

yes, the reps are also known as the anunnaki among other things. there is also nordic/aryan bloodlines mixed in with some of them.

also, our technology has advanced incredibly in the last 60 years partially due to the dissemination of information, as well as other means... plus the global awakening probably has something to do with it as well (as far as free energy and similar technologies go). you have to remember that the egyptians and other ancient civilizations were using batteries, computers, and even had sculptures/depictions of airplanes, helicopters, and spacecraft galore. check out the history channel documentary 'Ancient Aliens' for some basic straightforward info on that (surprisingly they did a great job with it)

Thanks for the reply...the names may change then but the 'song remains the same'..ie Gods/Reps/Annunaki......

I believe there was ancient tech..I don't doubt they had it...what I wonder is why it took until the last century to start returning??? IF they were always here why didn't they replicate it? why didn't ET call home.....did the Gods have a ancient war that made the above impossible...'war of the gods'..that I can imagine as it would explain (in my mind) the basis of religion, God / satan..mythology etc....what I cant quite grasp is - did a third party (or more) enter this little equation in the last century? if so...then wouldn't it be safe to say they are all in league with each other? Annunaki/Reps, NWO and third party.....to me that would explain our history (dna manipulation etc) our recent past - (great leaps in known tech - emphasis on known) and our current situation the ever more open NWO...I may not be explaining this that well...

[noewhan]

He did confess to digging up a corpse and eating the hand to gain occult knowledge though, which I think is totally unnecessary.

Just because he said it, didn't mean he did it, right marpat?

I hate to bring up Crowley again, but hey.

At least it was a corpse, not someone who was alive. Plus, just because 'you think' it wasn't necessary for his initiation, to them it's obviously important. Plus, Mutwa was surprised too. Its not as if he wanted to eat it. He was presented a choice.

Not that I'd eat a hand of a corpse.

[zmanforever]

He was also raped by an alien in the desert which also made him go bi-sexual.

[johnthejedi24]

......What!? Where the heck is this from? I did not hear this in the interview.:confused: It made him bisexual...(did he like it:eek:)was it a male alien, and what species?

[nutrition]

Nutrition-

Pardon me, but have you actually read this book? What exactly are you implying by saying the book is "randomly attacking credo based on no actual evidence other than what some other africans have said about it." ???

"Other Africans" ? You mean the people belonging to the communities he lived in, and the Zulu culture he claims to be a leader of? This is one of best sources for this info to come from if you ask me, the people who know him best; his roots!

You also imply that his ET claims may be the reason for why he's come under fire...why would his own people accuse him of spiritual fraud over their own supposed Zulu beliefs? Why is he the only one talking about this stuff? Why aren't his supposed teachers that passed down his info accused of the same frauds? Why is he so well versed in pop culture to reference his stories to while at the same time he's toted as more reliable because of the lack of 1st world/pop culture influence?

Claiming he has had secret tradition passed down to him, and then putting it all on videos to be mass distributed seems a little contradictory don't you think? Your comment about the author was a little overboard as well...writing the guy off for producing such a book. Icke's books are all based on "frauds" as well, need I remind you.

Also, the opinion of one South African actress does not make him a "well respected" African at all...especially an opinion that ranks Michelle Obama alongside Mother Teresa and the Dalai Lama hahaha...oh man. The only people chewing on Credu's stories without a generous grain of salt are people that don't know his background; might I add again that it's his roots that are accusing him of his frauds. Leaving his communities behind with his tail between his legs, and making friends in his new pop culture role is hardly a reason to add any weight to his claims and it certainly doesn't denote respect.


once again, who from his 'roots' have accused him? and again - i'd think anyone talking about this information would obviously recieve backlash.

also, his knowledge of pop-culture was not that great - he named off Star Wars without knowing the actual titles of the films, and Stargate, which he mentioned was shown to him by a student.

being that credo is somewhere in his 80's or 90's - i'd say that his teachers are all dead (which is why they aren't talking about it) ;)

you're right, the opinion of one south african doesn't mean that he is repected by all, but she's a pretty famous person - and if he were a fraud, i doubt she'd be so interested in meeting him (and would know if he were a fraud).

you sound really defensive for the author of the book.

name some people from his roots that have claimed him to be a fraud - then prove that their claims are backed up. you seem hell bent (like the author) on disproving credo.

do you really think he carved all of those things and artifacts, and painted those large paintings to go along with david's research? you're weaving around topics, info and artifacts.

[nutrition]

Nutrition-

Claiming he has had secret tradition passed down to him, and then putting it all on videos to be mass distributed seems a little contradictory don't you think? Your comment about the author was a little overboard as well...writing the guy off for producing such a book. Icke's books are all based on "frauds" as well, need I remind you.



no, i don't think it's contradictory if he believes the information to be important enough to reveal, especially at his old age... i doubt he cares about the preservation of secrets which harbor evil alien criminals from being exposed.

but yes, maybe i did overreact a bit about the author - i was just pointing out that credo mutwa seemed to be a very off-topic and random person to be mentioning alongside of the other topics in his book... as if someone had asked him to write a book dealing with religious fraud, and including credo in order to purposefully discredit him. (what better way than to get another south african)

obviously someone would attack his credibility, just like david icke and others who mention this information.

you've not looked enough into either claim to get so upset about it.

[elo_zorn]

once again, who from his 'roots' have accused him? and again - i'd think anyone talking about this information would obviously recieve backlash.

From the book excerpt: "Chidester’s study takes a transatlantic turn with his examination of shamanism and the complex career of South African, Vusamazulu Credo Mutwa. Beginning in the 1950s, Mutwa claimed to be a genuine receiver of Zulu tradition. During the following decades, he oversaw a series of South African cultural villages, all the while flaunting his credentials as a witchdoctor and healer.While popular with tourists, fellow South Africans labeled Mutwa a spiritual fraud. His final cultural village closed in 1994. But in the following years, TheAfrican.com and Credomutwa.com gave Mutwa a new building space and a new audience. In the United States, the supposed shaman has earned the approval of New Age enthusiasts, environmentalists, animal-rights activists, and extra-terrestrial conspiracy theorists (Mutwa claims to have had alien encounters). With a hint of irony, Chidester concludes that Mutwa has “achieved a greater aura of authenticity in cyberspace than in Africa” (188).

also, his knowledge of pop-culture was not that great - he named off Star Wars without knowing the actual titles of the films, and Stargate, which he mentioned was shown to him by a student.

*My point was that he was certainly influenced by pop culture (ie movies, modern et/ufo info), and therefore it would play a role bleeding into his personal anecdotes.

being that credo is somewhere in his 80's or 90's - i'd say that his teachers are all dead (which is why they aren't talking about it) ;)

*Good point.

you're right, the opinion of one south african doesn't mean that he is repected by all, but she's a pretty famous person - and if he were a fraud, i doubt she'd be so interested in meeting him (and would know if he were a fraud).

*Is there some special book of secrets that famous persons receive? Fraudsters generally try to keep this type of thing on the low down...

you sound really defensive for the author of the book.

*I didn't comment about the author in any way other than cross comparing him to Icke in the relation that he writes books centering on "frauds". My rebuttals mostly had to do with your hasty opinions on the book.

name some people from his roots that have claimed him to be a fraud - then prove that their claims are backed up. you seem hell bent (like the author) on disproving credo.

*Again, I was refering to the bold text in the quote above. I'm hell bent on using my gut feelings coupled with logic to digest my world, that's it...neither the former nor latter are helping Credu's cause at this point.

do you really think he carved all of those things and artifacts, and painted those large paintings to go along with david's research? you're weaving around topics, info and artifacts.

*Honestly, that wouldn't be much of a feat; having artifacts to back your story would be must if he were a fraud...I'm not weaving around anything.

no, i don't think it's contradictory if he believes the information to be important enough to reveal, especially at his old age... i doubt he cares about the preservation of secrets which harbor evil alien criminals from being exposed.

*I've actually read that he admits to breaking a secrecy oath, but that it was more important to get the info out now. It was "time" so to speak. So he is acting contradictory to his oath, but in the case that he is genuine I can understand his logic and morale behind his actions.

but yes, maybe i did overreact a bit about the author - i was just pointing out that credo mutwa seemed to be a very off-topic and random person to be mentioning alongside of the other topics in his book... as if someone had asked him to write a book dealing with religious fraud, and including credo in order to purposefully discredit him. (what better way than to get another south african)

How is he off topic? His own people accused him of spiritual fraud long before he spoke of ETs/Reptilians...completely on topic, and again please read the bold print in the book excerpt above to clarify the chronology and accusations presented.

obviously someone would attack his credibility, just like david icke and others who mention this information.

I agree, but you'd figure that if he was genuine that he'd have a lot more than one virtually unknown book trying to discredit him.

you've not looked enough into either claim to get so upset about it.

I've watched his interview with Icke and many others online, I have one of his books, I've browsed his websites and postings and I've looked into the arguements and variables that negate that he is genuine. It seems that it is you who hasn't looked at all the angles, nor do you seem open to the idea (at least in the case of negative views and evidence).

All in all I want to make it clear that I'm not claiming to have the be-all end-all on Credu, I just know how he's weighing out for me personally so I threw my two cents in. I have no animosity towards you, just a different view...so no hard feelings my friend.

[nutrition]

From the book excerpt: "Chidester’s study takes a transatlantic turn with his examination of shamanism and the complex career of South African, Vusamazulu Credo Mutwa. Beginning in the 1950s, Mutwa claimed to be a genuine receiver of Zulu tradition. During the following decades, he oversaw a series of South African cultural villages, all the while flaunting his credentials as a witchdoctor and healer.While popular with tourists, fellow South Africans labeled Mutwa a spiritual fraud. His final cultural village closed in 1994. But in the following years, TheAfrican.com and Credomutwa.com gave Mutwa a new building space and a new audience. In the United States, the supposed shaman has earned the approval of New Age enthusiasts, environmentalists, animal-rights activists, and extra-terrestrial conspiracy theorists (Mutwa claims to have had alien encounters). With a hint of irony, Chidester concludes that Mutwa has “achieved a greater aura of authenticity in cyberspace than in Africa” (188).



*My point was that he was certainly influenced by pop culture (ie movies, modern et/ufo info), and therefore it would play a role bleeding into his personal anecdotes.



*Good point.



*Is there some special book of secrets that famous persons receive? Fraudsters generally try to keep this type of thing on the low down...



*I didn't comment about the author in any way other than cross comparing him to Icke in the relation that he writes books centering on "frauds". My rebuttals mostly had to do with your hasty opinions on the book.



*Again, I was refering to the bold text in the quote above. I'm hell bent on using my gut feelings coupled with logic to digest my world, that's it...neither the former nor latter are helping Credu's cause at this point.



*Honestly, that wouldn't be much of a feat; having artifacts to back your story would be must if he were a fraud...I'm not weaving around anything.



*I've actually read that he admits to breaking a secrecy oath, but that it was more important to get the info out now. It was "time" so to speak. So he is acting contradictory to his oath, but in the case that he is genuine I can understand his logic and morale behind his actions.



How is he off topic? His own people accused him of spiritual fraud long before he spoke of ETs/Reptilians...completely on topic, and again please read the bold print in the book excerpt above to clarify the chronology and accusations presented.



I agree, but you'd figure that if he was genuine that he'd have a lot more than one virtually unknown book trying to discredit him.



I've watched his interview with Icke and many others online, I have one of his books, I've browsed his websites and postings and I've looked into the arguements and variables that negate that he is genuine. It seems that it is you who hasn't looked at all the angles, nor do you seem open to the idea (at least in the case of negative views and evidence).

All in all I want to make it clear that I'm not claiming to have the be-all end-all on Credu, I just know how he's weighing out for me personally so I threw my two cents in. I have no animosity towards you, just a different view...so no hard feelings my friend.

none taken. no hard feelings either.

[camreeno]

Well the guy is about as old as Yoda so I wouldn't expect him to repeat his stories with accuracy. It could just be that he's senile a having trouble recalling his stories. Not only that but he said that his English wasn't very good, so maybe he just had a few "moments" when he was describing the reptilians?

Honestly I believe most of what he said. A lot of what he said is also agreed upon by others in the area of reptilians, Illuminati, among the other topics, so I have little reason to believe he's some sort of disimformant or just some guy who's partially right but not good with his facts as a whole.

[slapdash]

The grey aliens are edible... then the description. Sounds like shrooms or peyote or some opiate to me, right down to the allergic reaction some people have. ( the physical description of the edible sounds like shrooms ) So the greys are psychedelic....good to know :D