Clubbers are 'turning to new legal high mephedrone

[take it easy]

Clubbers are 'turning to new legal high mephedrone'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/health/newsid_10000000/newsid_10004300/10004366.stm

The powerful legal high mephedrone is becoming much more widely used on the British club scene, a survey suggests.

One in three readers of dance magazine Mixmag polled for an academic study have used the powder in the last month.

The results make mephedrone the fourth most popular substance in the survey.

"Mephedrone has gone from nowhere to the mainstream in under two years," said Dr Adam Winstock from the National Addiction Centre, who led the research.

"For a drug that's been around for a relatively short amount of time, mephedrone has certainly made a big impact on the dance drug scene."

The Home Office has said it is now a "priority" to find out more about the dangers of mephedrone use.

Its team of scientific advisors had been expected to produce a report in early 2010 that could recommend banning the substance.

But Newsbeat understands that little progress has been made since a political row last November led to the sacking of the committee's chairman Professor David Nutt. more... (http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/health/newsid_10000000/newsid_10004300/10004366.stm)

Luckily if your plants are in desperate need of food - there is an emergency 30-90 minutes delivery service in London - wtf!!!

www.plantfood2u.com (http://www.plantfood2u.com)

[anthony1965]

Why do they do it? :confused:

The results of the survey were based on an online poll of 2,222 readers of the clubbing magazine Mixmag carried out by researchers at the National Addiction Centre at Kings College, London.

51% of mephedrone users in the study said they suffered from headaches; 43% from heart palpitations; 27% from nausea; and a further 15% from cold or blue fingers.

"The first thing I noticed was that I couldn't urinate at all," said Danny, 24, from Colchester. "My heart was beating really fast and I was sweating badly.

"It's very moreish and you constantly want to re-dose. I ended up buying five grams and went on a two-day bender on it.

"It's a worry because it's probably putting a lot of stress on my heart and other organs. You can definitely develop a habit from doing it."

Other anecdotal reports suggest heavy use can lead to paranoia, hallucinations and serious panic attacks.

Almost nothing is known about the long-term effects of taking the drug.

[the nine]

Why do they do it? :confused:

The results of the survey were based on an online poll of 2,222 readers of the clubbing magazine Mixmag carried out by researchers at the National Addiction Centre at Kings College, London.

51% of mephedrone users in the study said they suffered from headaches; 43% from heart palpitations; 27% from nausea; and a further 15% from cold or blue fingers.

"The first thing I noticed was that I couldn't urinate at all," said Danny, 24, from Colchester. "My heart was beating really fast and I was sweating badly.

"It's very moreish and you constantly want to re-dose. I ended up buying five grams and went on a two-day bender on it.

"It's a worry because it's probably putting a lot of stress on my heart and other organs. You can definitely develop a habit from doing it."

Other anecdotal reports suggest heavy use can lead to paranoia, hallucinations and serious panic attacks.

Almost nothing is known about the long-term effects of taking the drug.

does this sound like a clubber ant'?
but the sheeeple will lap it up :rolleyes:

[1eyeopen]

Wanna solution?

LEGALISE REAL DRUGS.

CANNABIS, EXTASY, COCAIN, HEROIN, LSD

They have had 1000'S OF YEARS OF HUMAN TESTING, the dangers are kown.

YOU ARE NOT GOING TO STOP DRUG USE

PEOPLE LIKE GETTING OUT OF THEIR HEADS.

[hugolast]

i did it for the last three months on a weekend and it really started taking it's toll. I ended up with what i thought were feelings of persecusion and delusions about stuff and i thought everything was aimed at me.
Unless it was of course! lol

Really paranoid stuff that i didnt get from absolutely hammering other drugs

Feeling better now i've stopped for three weeks but it's still with me but fading. In my opinion it's very dangerous - much more that pills and coke:eek:

[anthony1965]

i did it for the last three months on a weekend and it really started taking it's toll. I ended up with what i thought were feelings of persecusion and delusions about stuff and i thought everything was aimed at me.
Unless it was of course! lol

Really paranoid stuff that i didnt get from absolutely hammering other drugs

Feeling better now i've stopped for three weeks but it's still with me but fading. In my opinion it's very dangerous - much more that pills and coke:eek:

Sorry to sound sound like an old codger... but I'm closer to that than I am to being a clubber... :o

What was the attraction?

What was this stuff supposed to achieve?

Were you aware of the nasty side effects?

*** An observation to everyone: Doesn't drug use always seem to be encouraged by making it seem terribly naughty.

Don't do drugs always seem to end up meaning Do drugs.

The more publicity this gets, the more likely those groovy young people will want to try it out...

Oh you hip cats! Can't you see that the daddios are leading you astray!

Cliff says it's not cool to be naughty!

http://www.virginmedia.com/images/cliff_richard-gal-couch.jpg

[djhooker]

sounds like a shit drug to me, might stick to what i know (the good ones hehe)

[cpfc12]

does this sound like a clubber ant'?
but the sheeeple will lap it up :rolleyes:

Surely its the sheeple who go to clubs to spunk out loads of money on drugs and drink ?

[lewi]

Kids Taking Drugs - YouTube

[positivity]

If it says not fit for human consumption on the packet then you should take notice of that.I think because its cheap and readily available its becoming popular.Ive been offered it at partys but i didnt want to take the risk someone had a fit in the club i was in they had taken the drug.


I would rather stick to mdma even though its expensive ;)

[cpfc12]

I would rather stick to mdma even though its expensive ;)

haha

[size_of_light]

*** An observation to everyone: Doesn't drug use always seem to be encouraged by making it seem terribly naughty.

;)

[tb303]

Did this stuff a couple of weeks ago just to see why all the kids around here are looking more like robots than usual.

It's pure shit.

[positivity]

[QUOTE=tb303;1058550484]Did this stuff a couple of weeks ago just to see why all the kids around here are looking more like robots than usual.

It's pure shit.[/QUOTE

How bad was the comedown? ive seen people the next day they look like death warmed up!!:eek::eek:

[tb303]

How bad was the comedown? ive seen people the next day they look like death warmed up!!:eek::eek:

I had about 3 or 4 lines...comedown of each line very rapid...next day - nothing untoward, however I have been drinking rather a lot lately ;)

A friend of mine has reported the usual seratonin depletion problems similar to E a few days later...depression, crying etc.

[tb303]

But seriously, stay clear of this shit, unless of course you think acting like a robot is cool.

[positivity]

I had about 3 or 4 lines...comedown of each line very rapid...next day - nothing untoward, however I have been drinking rather a lot lately ;)

A friend of mine has reported the usual seratonin depletion problems similar to E a few days later...depression, crying etc.

yeah im similair when taking ecstacy but mdma doesnt give me a comedown at all i feel ok the next day.I just make sure i have a few glasses of water when the party's over!!:D:D;)

[positivity]

But seriously, stay clear of this shit, unless of course you think acting like a robot is cool.

i dont want to try and ive been telling people to steer well clear of it!!

[tb303]

Cliff says it's not cool to be naughty!

http://www.virginmedia.com/images/cliff_richard-gal-couch.jpg

Probably urban myth #666, but wasn't Cliff Richard a smack head and his youthfull looks put down to being able to afford the good stuff?

Yep, remember kids, just say no, unless it's Nancy Reagan telling you.

[oneup]

EFFECTS LIST #
POSITIVE

* stimulation (mental and physical)
* euphoria, mood lift
* feelings of empathy, openness
* increase in sociability, desire to talk with others
* pleasurable rushing
* sense of being sped up

NEUTRAL

* reduced appetite
* pupil dilation
* unusual body sensations (facial flushing, chills, goosebumps, body energy)
* change in body temperature regulation
* sweating
* increase in heart rate and blood pressure

NEGATIVE

(likelihood of negative side effects increases with higher doses)
* strong desire to redose, craving to recapture initial euphoric rush
* uncomfortable changes in body temperature (sweating/chills)
* heart palpitations, sense of racing heart
* impaired short term memory
* insomnia
* tightened jaw muscles, grinding teeth (trismus and bruxia)
* muscle twitching
* nystagmus
* dizziness, light headedness, vertigo
* a couple of reports include serious vasoconstriction
* when insufflated: pain and swelling in nose and throat, sinusitis
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/4_methylmethcathinone/4_methylmethcathinone.shtml

The 'negative' list is much larger than the 'positive' list, says it all.

[kanz]

Sorry to sound sound like an old codger... but I'm closer to that than I am to being a clubber... :o

What was the attraction?

What was this stuff supposed to achieve?

Were you aware of the nasty side effects?

*** An observation to everyone: Doesn't drug use always seem to be encouraged by making it seem terribly naughty.

Don't do drugs always seem to end up meaning Do drugs.

The more publicity this gets, the more likely those groovy young people will want to try it out...

Oh you hip cats! Can't you see that the daddios are leading you astray!

Cliff says it's not cool to be naughty!

http://www.virginmedia.com/images/cliff_richard-gal-couch.jpg

Sorta a forbiden fruit effect. Or like telling someone "Don't push that big red buton" , now all they want to do is push it :p.

[oneup]

Another interesting quote from the same site:

Chemicals marked on Erowid by our Research Chemical Symbol should be considered experimental chemicals. Although some people are willing to ingest these chemicals for their effects, it is not reasonable to assume that these chemicals are in any way 'safe' to use recreationally. Although all psychoactive use involves risk, this class of chemicals has undergone virtually no human or animal toxicity studies and there is little to no data on possible long term problems, addiction potential, allergic reactions, or acute overdoses.

Publication of information by Erowid about human use of these chemicals is not intended to endorse their non-laboratory use. It is important to remember that reactions to psychoactives vary dramatically from person to person. Extrapolating anything from any single person's experience with a chemical is inappropriate and may result in dangerous and possibly fatal abreactions.

Some reports of use may include extremely glowing "wow"-type experiences. Reports of this nature should not be misunderstood to suggest that they are common or typical of those who ingest the substance, or that the effects will be pleasant or desirable.

People should consider carefully before choosing to use these substances.

[oneup]

It's some really, really horrible stuff:

Seems to have corrosive effects on certain materials

Insufflating this drug will wear on your nostrils quite a bit.
I've found it painful to breathe through my nose in cold weather after using large amounts over a short period of time.

Don't use cards that are important to you while portioning (i.e. credit cards, driving license etc.). They will get damaged and stop working. If you get any on your skin, wash it away as fast as possible, just to be on the safe side.

And last, but not least, keep in mind that you might smell weird the day after using. If you want to avoid questions, shower as soon as possible. Depending on how much you use, you might also notice that your sweat smells differently several days after, at least I did.

Some have also reported red rashes that cause burning sensation. Maybe mephedrone causes these burns as it is perspired through the skin? Scrubbing and maintaining your hygiene extra carefully might also be a good thing to do after you've used.

Don’t be naive like I was, legal does absolutely NOT equal safe. Mephedrone is the perfect example for this. Legal substances often have little or no research at all performed on them. Use caution and read a lot about it before you decide to try it out.

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=76345

[ricko]

Government's answer to people having fun:
BAN BAN BAN BAN

Well how about this, BAN you Government, you bunch of Nazi wankers - Fuck off. :)

[creamfields usa]

Little kiddies do not need to be around excess methanphetamine. Stay away from the stuff and go for a ride on Democrats.org. It will get you to other websites that have the same effect.

Moving forward to 2010. The Democratic party in the USA has so much to offer situations like the one you describe.

[zennor]

But seriously, stay clear of this shit, unless of course you think acting like a robot is cool.

haha couldn't help thinking of kids doing robotic dancing to some oldskool electro lol...

as been said before.. i'll stick to the real stuff thanks :)

[take it easy]

no-ones mentioned the exciting plant food 2 u link yet

www.plantfood2u.com

isn't this a funny old way of selling drugs, almost unprecedented? sorry plant food not drugs...

[allure]

I liked it for a while but I don't plan on touching it again.

At the beginning the buzz was nice (but not a patch on proper mdma), and the comedown and next day were very manageable, but each use got progressively less fun as the weeks went on.

The last time I took it was new years eve and new years day, and I had the worst comedown ever.

All was fine enough until I eventually went home to bed (having been up an ungodly length of time). That article said it can cause serious panic attacks, well thats what I had.

I had what could have been an extreme case of panic attack, its only for the fact that I'm well versed in taking various substances that I didn't require a trip to the hospital.

I lay in bed, convinced I was in a serious condition and close to death, until I caught a grip of myself, controlled my breathing and tried to relax, telling myself I was actually fine and I was on top of it.

My heartrate eventually slowed and after a very uncomfortable and worrying few hours I eventually fell asleep. Was pretty much ok when I awoke.

I'd taken a cocktail of substances and a lot of alcohol which I'm sure compounded the nasty comedown effect but it was the 'drone' that was the main cause, for sure.

Ah well. Alls well that ends well.

And for those who ask why do it? Fun.

All in the name of god damn fun! :rolleyes:

[skyfish]

Don't touch this stuff!!!! Before I became a respectable member of society *ahem* I got hooked on BZP which used to be legal and was also sold as 'plant food.' At first I really loved the stuff, but then the more I took it, the more I needed, the shittier I felt more quickly. Come downs got longer and highs got shorter, paranoid delusions started to set in, muscle spasms, depression, smelly sweat. God just remembering it makes me cringe at what a mess I turned into And this stuff was 'legal.'

The only good thing I can say about drugs is that my first time doing them was the moment something clicked in my brain which helped me to wake up. If you could stop at just doing psychoactive drugs once to switch on that dark place then leave it at that, drugs would be fine. That's why the Shamans and medicine women control the supply of such substances in other old and tribal cultures. The doctors are our supposed 'shamans' but the drugs they give us poison rather than awaken.

[dreamweaver]

Mephedrone (aka "meow") has been a popular drug on the club scene for the past couple of years. It has effects similar to E, speed and coke rolled into one, hence its popularity.

I know from someone who knows a Home Office bod that they are already working on it being one of the next banned substances.

Hence the inevitable appearance of "scare stories" in the MSM. It's all part of the process.

[seercirra]

some people got the good shit
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

technoviking dances to wham, techntonic and cher
Techno Viking does Wham, Technotronic and Cher - YouTube
captioned
TECHNOVIKING! (Captioned) - YouTube

[tb303]

some people got the good shit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIwLWNEZtbc

technoviking dances to wham, techntonic and cher
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lILXUjM6ppE
captioned
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwsntHcWiy4

That is some of the funniest shit I think I've ever fucking seen. Thanks!

Who said white men can't dance?

LMFAO!

Now, imagine an army of him marauding through ya quiet Saxon village...an army of Viking robots :eek:

[take it easy]

yeah but what about the link www.plantfood2u.com (http://www.plantfood2u.com) no thoughts anyone?

[take it easy]

yeah but what about the link www.plantfood2u.com (http://www.plantfood2u.com) no thoughts anyone?

bit feckin shifty and swervy if you ask me... which you haven't

[tb303]

yeah but what about the link www.plantfood2u.com (http://www.plantfood2u.com) no thoughts anyone?

Dunno, I'm not a plant.

GLC in Pro Celebrity Name That Drug:

GLC in Pro Celebrity Name That Drug - YouTube

[seercirra]

bit feckin shifty and swervy if you ask me... which you haven't

lol. im not sure what to say. yeah it sucks.
it doesnt shock me at all though, theyve been selling synthetic highs packaged as plant food for years.

all major vendors have an eye as their major logo.

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http://amsterdamhighsco.com/acatalog/

[tb303]

haha couldn't help thinking of kids doing robotic dancing to some oldskool electro lol...



At least they had soul ;)

[marc_o]

I took a gram of this stuff on new years.

It fucked me up totally, to the point now where I've quit all drugs, including weed.

It was fun, rather similar to the effects of MDMA. Later in the night it made me delusional, paranoid and downright f**ked up.

Kinda good in a way, weed was holding me back. Im a lot more motivated now.


If you are considering doing this drug, seriously, just leave it.

[anthony1965]

seercirra:

Those reptilian eye logos are very interesting.

From what I've read on this thread so far, the effects of this drug seem to fit nicely with the ongoing death cult of skulls, vampires, zombies, satanism etc.

Join this cult with the contaminated food, water and air, including electrosmog, nanoparticles, RF chips etc. etfuckingcetera and you can see where all this is supposed to be heading.

Control.

By whom?

And for what purpose?

[mrs houdini]

Hello Friend's
I was talking to my son Darryn about the rave sceen he is a D.J. and travel's all over Britain and Europe to do his set's he is 27 anyway I was told by him that this type of music was the only one banned by the police and now it is underground ie playing in cave's and field's what was wrong with youngster's enjoying them self's I dont advocate people taking drug's but our younster's are a lot more clued up than we where oh I sound like my mother lol does any one know why the rave sceen was sent undergroung or am I showing my age by not knowing lol

Love Eternal,
Linda :p

[tb303]

does any one know why the rave sceen was sent undergroung or am I showing my age by not knowing lol



Because the best free outdoor festivals were more like shamanic gatherings.

'New Age Travellers' and E were demonised in the press so they could bring in The Criminal Justice Bill and after that shit, souless, sterile 'dance' music, clubs and drugs were heavily hyped.

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/4443/jiltedgeneration.jpg (http://img109.imageshack.us/i/jiltedgeneration.jpg/)

[yozhik]

The Home Office has said it is now a "priority" to find out more about the dangers of mephedrone use.

Its team of scientific advisors had been expected to produce a report in early 2010 that could recommend banning the substance.


Translation:
The Home office has prioritised finding yet more ways to stop people enjoying themselves and to continue waging their asphyxiating campaign of terror.

[hugolast]

I took a gram of this stuff on new years.

It fucked me up totally, to the point now where I've quit all drugs, including weed.

It was fun, rather similar to the effects of MDMA. Later in the night it made me delusional, paranoid and downright f**ked up.

Kinda good in a way, weed was holding me back. Im a lot more motivated now.


If you are considering doing this drug, seriously, just leave it.

i did it for the last eight weeks and lost it completely on boxing day and i'm completely off drugs now, it has made me fear them for the first time:mad:

[marc_o]

i did it for the last eight weeks and lost it completely on boxing day and i'm completely off drugs now, it has made me fear them for the first time:mad:

I know it kinda sucks. I have ADHD and really need weed to stop me being off the wall and scatty. I imagine I'll get back into it, but not so habitually next time.

I dont like fearing a bong. Bongs rule!!

[energi]

Meph is (at least for the time being) filth, existing only to fill the gap for amphetamine/cocaine.

Taking RC's is like playing russian roulette with your well-being. Such is the nature of them, which is why I'd like to see the big drugs that are well researched become legal instead of having a hundred of replacements to choose from.

Parallell to alcohol consumption:

Would you drink brand Vodka (with a history of good production and quality) or "home-made vodka imitation mixed with window cleaners and thinner"?

;)

[kingmob]

lol. im not sure what to say. yeah it sucks.
it doesnt shock me at all though, theyve been selling synthetic highs packaged as plant food for years.

all major vendors have an eye as their major logo.

http://spike99.com/Pictures/spike_58x60_ultra.jpg
http://spike99.com/Pictures/Spicey_XXX_original_large.jpg
http://www.anaboliclabs.co.uk/ekmps/shops/anaboliclabs/images/ex-ses-platinum-3g-225-p.gif
http://secure-credit-card-payments.co.uk/spike99/acatalog/spice_gold1.jpg
http://secure-credit-card-payments.co.uk/spike99/acatalog/spike_58x60_original.jpg

http://amsterdamhighsco.com/acatalog/

The packaging is fucking scary. I won't be touching this shit, I'm scared silly by the reptilian eye imagery :eek:

BTW, they are making references to Spice, which is a reference to Dune. Dune is a very interesting book in relation to truth research.

[theoneeyedman]

Mephodrone is fucking vile. I tried some and it kept me up all night in a cold sweat with my heart racing thinking i was going to die. It's the only drug i've tried that i will NEVER try again.

[dmt head]

I took a gram of this stuff on new years.

It fucked me up totally, to the point now where I've quit all drugs, including weed.

It was fun, rather similar to the effects of MDMA. Later in the night it made me delusional, paranoid and downright f**ked up.

Kinda good in a way, weed was holding me back. Im a lot more motivated now.


If you are considering doing this drug, seriously, just leave it.

Every cloud n that, but why take a whole gram? :confused:


BTW, they are making references to Spice, which is a reference to Dune. Dune is a very interesting book in relation to truth research.

Im half way through this book atm, bloody amazing!

I snorted some mephedrone last tuesday, only a few lines, its shite but no more shite than cocaine imo its ok to have a few social lines before going to a club, all the naysayers on this thread seem to be taking large amounts? I agree its total shite and I wont buy it again but lots here seem to be quite hysterical :rolleyes:

First time I tried it I mixed 130mg with 130mg of methylone, it was fucking amazing, just like the old es just too good, but then tried it again three weeks later and the magic was gone, same thing with mdma, your only supposed to take them 3-4 times a year tops, or the magic goes. Rc's are pretty good but, 4-aco-dmt is fucking amazing, i also like 2ci.

Also someone said they say not for human consumption so it must be bad, thats just a disclaimer. if you buy ayahuasaca it says not for human consumtion, everything you buy from ehtno vendors says that.

[pinkgrapefruit]

Clubbers are 'turning to new legal high mephedrone'

Thanks to a new State Sponsored Advertising Campaign!

[unusual_suspect]

Sorry to sound sound like an old codger... but I'm closer to that than I am to being a clubber... :o

What was the attraction?

What was this stuff supposed to achieve?

Were you aware of the nasty side effects?

*** An observation to everyone: Doesn't drug use always seem to be encouraged by making it seem terribly naughty.

Don't do drugs always seem to end up meaning Do drugs.

The more publicity this gets, the more likely those groovy young people will want to try it out...

Oh you hip cats! Can't you see that the daddios are leading you astray!

Cliff says it's not cool to be naughty!

http://www.virginmedia.com/images/cliff_richard-gal-couch.jpg

Hehe, that gave me a giggle, so true.

As far as drugs go, Iv'e done my fair share plus a few other peoples, been there, done that and got the dvd box set. Contrary to popular belief drugs are not cool, they just turn you in to a sad hippy. (like me)

No matter what people say, sustained use of any recreational drug will cripple the strong and break the weak. Besides, there is a time and a place for everything and it's called college :D

Acid is by far the worse, I just can't handle what it does to your dress sense :eek:

[dmt head]

Hehe, that gave me a giggle, so true.

As far as drugs go, Iv'e done my fair share plus a few other peoples, been there, done that and got the dvd box set. Contrary to popular belief drugs are not cool, they just turn you in to a sad hippy. (like me)

No matter what people say, sustained use of any recreational drug will cripple the strong and break the weak. Besides, there is a time and a place for everything and it's called college :D

Acid is by far the worse, I just can't handle what it does to your dress sense :eek:

Why do you always get old people going oh ive done them, their bad. :rolleyes: albert hoffman was still taking acid right up till he died. i think some folks can handle them, adn some like you kid on you could handle them and act as if you know what your talking about. I am kinda obsessed with my entheogens, not shite like mephedrone. I will be drinking ayahuasca and smoking dmt for a very long time, im not a hippy I use them for self improvement, which they really do help with. your attitude of oh its something you do at college is completely missing the healing benefits of these scaraments, a lot of people use them in this way, then you get a lot of people like you patronising them folks. it isnt recreation its serious hard work sometimes and not always enjoyable and good fun. Its scary stuff sometimes working with these entheogens, shamens around the world dont use them for recreation, their for healing and growth, you missed that point at college but didnt you?!

[haman]

Wanna solution?

LEGALISE REAL DRUGS.

CANNABIS, EXTASY, COCAIN, HEROIN, LSD

They have had 1000'S OF YEARS OF HUMAN TESTING, the dangers are kown.

YOU ARE NOT GOING TO STOP DRUG USE

PEOPLE LIKE GETTING OUT OF THEIR HEADS.

i have a better idea : they should stop giving people reasons to get out of their heads.

[farros]

I love how the media throws the word "DEADLY" around this drug like its taking a gamble with your life if you take it.

3 people is the official death statistic on this stuff.. so its been mainstream for a year with thousands taking it each week exponentially.... not really deadly when you think about it. Alcohol and cigs though.... :rolleyes:

drugs are optional.. if people want to take them let them.. we're all responsible for ourselfs and getting over a heavy addiction can teach you valuable life long lessons in discipline.

[unusual_suspect]

Why do you always get old people going oh ive done them, their bad. :rolleyes: albert hoffman was still taking acid right up till he died. i think some folks can handle them, adn some like you kid on you could handle them and act as if you know what your talking about. I am kinda obsessed with my entheogens, not shite like mephedrone. I will be drinking ayahuasca and smoking dmt for a very long time, im not a hippy I use them for self improvement, which they really do help with. your attitude of oh its something you do at college is completely missing the healing benefits of these scaraments, a lot of people use them in this way, then you get a lot of people like you patronising them folks. it isnt recreation its serious hard work sometimes and not always enjoyable and good fun. Its scary stuff sometimes working with these entheogens, shamens around the world dont use them for recreation, their for healing and growth, you missed that point at college but didnt you?!

Hmm, maybe being toungue in cheek doesn't translate well across the net!

You seem to know a lot about me, but maybe you actually missed the point. Ayahuasca, salvia, liberty caps are medicines.

Drugs are substances like cocaine, speed, acid, crack, scag, E, if anyone thinks they are expanding their minds with those they are sadly deluded! Actually, I do think that if you are in your 30's like I am, with kids and a full time job, a house of my own it is deeply sad to be taking loads of coke, speed etc and carrying on like you are still an 18 year old.

Why don't you actually try reading peoples posts before pointing your finger at people and telling them that they are patronising, if anything your post was pretty condescending.

Edit, maybe you need to ask yourself why you jumped on me for slating the use of ethneogens when I never mentioned them and clearly meant coke, E and the likes of methedrone. Why are you trying to justify your use of these? Why would it matter to anyone on this forum?

[merde]

still can't be arsed.

[dmt head]

Hmm, maybe being toungue in cheek doesn't translate well across the net!

You seem to know a lot about me, but maybe you actually missed the point. Ayahuasca, salvia, liberty caps are medicines.

Drugs are substances like cocaine, speed, acid, crack, scag, E, if anyone thinks they are expanding their minds with those they are sadly deluded! Actually, I do think that if you are in your 30's like I am, with kids and a full time job, a house of my own it is deeply sad to be taking loads of coke, speed etc and carrying on like you are still an 18 year old.

Why don't you actually try reading peoples posts before pointing your finger at people and telling them that they are patronising, if anything your post was pretty condescending.

Edit, maybe you need to ask yourself why you jumped on me for slating the use of ethneogens when I never mentioned them and clearly meant coke, E and the likes of methedrone. Why are you trying to justify your use of these? Why would it matter to anyone on this forum?

The way you said what you said came across as if all drugs are bad mkay, i should know I done them in college, you didnt differentiate. sorry if I seemed condescending just you seemed patronising. also Im not trying to justify my use of anything, I dont have to justify myself to anyone, and I really dont care what people on a forum think of me.

[geezer661]

Just more fucking bullshit War on legal highs.

Its the present media narrative to demonise legal highs.

So few ppl have died. More people die from fucking Asprin. They dont fucking ban tht bullshit

[unusual_suspect]

The way you said what you said came across as if all drugs are bad mkay, i should know I done them in college, you didnt differentiate. sorry if I seemed condescending just you seemed patronising. also Im not trying to justify my use of anything, I dont have to justify myself to anyone, and I really dont care what people on a forum think of me.

No probs, got nothing against the sacred herbs, or even experimenting, that has it's place. The point I was trying to make is that recreational drug use needs to be approached sensibly.

Example, I was a raver when I fell pregnant, I stopped doing E, coke, speed, acid etc as I had a bun in the oven. A friend of mine fell pregnant at the same time and she carried on partying. She gave birth prematurely, her daughter had health problems, she carried on taking drugs, lost custody of her daughter. Last time I saw her she was living in a squat, had a crack habit and had been in and out of the loony bin for the last couple of years :(

She is not the only person I know who ended up ruining her life like this. That is the thing about taking these recreational party drugs, it is all to easy to end up going down the dangerous road and realising this when it is too late. I know people who have taken these legal highs also, and the blokes said they got really bad bollock ache and kidney pains, not nice really.

Reality is pretty cool and we create our own, life is good. I do not need chemicals to have a good time :) I am glad you don't care what people think, that is a good way to be!

[freeyourmind85]

sounds like a shit drug to me, might stick to what i know (the good ones hehe)

Yeah, me too ;)

[griffinman]

what's its LD 50 range?
http://www.erowid.org/culture/characters/mckenna_terence/images/mckenna_terence1_med.jpg

[passing]

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/4443/jiltedgeneration.jpg (http://img109.imageshack.us/i/jiltedgeneration.jpg/)

That looks like a Les Edwards. I've always admired his paintings, without liking them a lot... :confused:

Thanks marc_o, you've put me off being curious enough to try the plant food :D

[bobbydiva]

Surely there's better legal highs? Why do people always go for synthetic crap? I mean who got the ball rolling on this substance? Makes you wonder.

[passing]

who got the ball rolling on this substance? Makes you wonder.

Hmm yeah, good point,

[paolo]

On the whole the original whole herb ingested in the traditional manner is far safer and proven than the synthesised derivitive
Therefore chewing khat is far safer than snorting mephedrome
Equivalent to raw opium v natural and synthetic opioids, and coca leaf v crack cocaine

[dmt head]

Hmm yeah, good point,

Yes bit of a weird coincidence that all these rc's appear when the mdma drys up, a lot of precursors were destroyed in china and cambodia then when people are looking for something these untested unkown chems appear, all legal, well dodgy!

On the whole the original whole herb ingested in the traditional manner is far safer and proven than the synthesised derivitive
Therefore chewing khat is far safer than snorting mephedrome
Equivalent to raw opium v natural and synthetic opioids, and coca leaf v crack cocaine

Yes id rather chew khat than take mephedrone, khats great very similiar to cactus!