Do you feel lonely being a "free thinker"?

[lostinstrangeworld]

I do.

I've come this far by myself.
I've had no-one to share this path with, apart from a few online friends, though not intimate ones.

[lottie]

Oh sweetheart, boy have i been where you are and i sympathise! i know its lonely when you know all this stuff, are you in the Uk? maybe you can join us for one of our meets? although im lucky in that i have Lookfar to chat to (she's only across the water and on the end of the phone!!) but i only met her through the forum! i have made some excellent friends through this forum my only gripe is that they are all so far away!! It is lonely and when im away from my friends from here im still having to engage in the 'normal/mainstream world' at work etc etc, its almost like a treat these days to find someone who's open minded enough to chat to about this stuff- they are certainly few and far between! If you wanna chat over msn or on the phone- give me a pm...you gotta start somewhere!!:) chin up lovely! :)

[frank1974]

I've been feeling more despair this past week or two in particular. If I try to find a kindred spirit amongst friends I end up becoming more isolated.

Even when for years I've been telling friends and family about the dangers of artificial additives in our food and drink, and then just last week after a study was in the media, the government are going to give pregnant mothers £120 to help in the cost of eating organic foods with no additives as it was proved to harm the baby, particularly the area of the brain that gives us the ability to empaphise or have compassion. And this money has to come from the nhs. A phone in vote(think it was gmtv) was massively in favour of a total ban on all artificial sweeteners and msg, yet where is it?

They still don't believe it, as the media spun it at every chance, onto artificial colours and beetles. I would've thought this episode would have rang some alarm bells in people, but no, all you get is dumb comments like, 'well I'm not pregnant am I?'. The herd continues to baa baa aimlessly in ignorance.

Maybe the reason we feel so alone is because to see the world and ourselves in an uncorrupt way, we need to be alone or dettached for a time, to digest our experiences, to evolve our subconscious, as this is what tells us is right or wrong. The herd are too busy to think. The past 15 years i've been alone for 14 of them, and earning money away from the rat race of 9 to 5 with art and music all my life, and going ever so slightly mad mind you. People just don't accept eccentrics anymore unless they're on a stage like performing monkeys. Once the performance is over, they take gratification before locking you away in a soundproof cage until the next time they let you out.

Sorry about the ranting, but your post has roused my spirit, especially with never knowing what it was you wanted to do. I've always felt the same, like the reason for my existence has never had a purpose. But now I feel its this feeling that is a very special ingredient. I believe its this feeling that enables mankind to evolve spiritually, to look for the truth in ourselves and society. As we're a rare breed that can learn from history long past and not make the same mistakes again.

[celtic isis]

I do.

I've come this far by myself.
I've had no-one to share this path with, apart from a few online friends, though not intimate ones.



huge hugs to you lostinstrangeworld :)

don't worry my friend, i'd feel lonely too if i was still in ireland, and i did spend many many years lonely, particularly as a teenager going through some rough times so i know what it feels like...i expected to be alone all my life in fact.

Don't ever give up on your twin flame. I never ever thought i would meet mine but i did and he was the beginning of my life.:) He still is 3 years later!

I'm sorry to hear of your situation right now, you're a beautiful true soul and you'll be attracting the things you need into your life, just stay open, be happy in yourself cause i don't know you personally but you have a very special "vibe" about you from your posts. I can see why you are here. :)

I think, as lottie was saying too, we all experience this with people we know, work with, our families etc...it's like hitting a brick wall. I grew up in a small narrowminded town too boy do i know your frustration!

You've choosen or been choosen to go his way, follow this path for a reason, i firmly believe that with all my heart. Looking back on the struggles i've survived over the years it's the only way to make sense of them, they make us stronger and we all have our own crosses to bear, they are what makes us interesting.

Just know you're fine the way you are, and we're all on this journey together.

I was thinking yesterday omg we're so lucky to have this forum, where we can meet, hook up and just feel like we belong, that there are others who understand. People we don't have to defend or explain ourselves too cause we're all in on the truth here...or different views of it but we are all on the way to knowing what the game is all about here. Though the spiritual aspect is more important and you have a natural understanding of that by the bucket load only you don't seem to realise it!

You've got your children, they will always love you no matter what and will go with you on this path if you choose to take them in on it. You have them.

I'd feel crap if i didn't have my oh, it's cause of him i found out about all this and began this journey, well i'd probably already begun it from when i was a child but still i had no clue as to what was really going on! I'm lucky he shares this journey with me though we do it in different ways. I'd be lost without you guys!

we're all here for you lostinstrangeworld :)

[worried]

I can't believe I have found this thread today! What timing!

My son, who is 26 and is highly intelligent and a high achiever is, at the moment, the loneliest person on this earth.

He is so desperately down and feels so alone due to knowing what he knows and not having anyone he can converse with, that two nights ago he left home and I haven't seen him since. I am desperately worried!

He has text me, but says that he is no more alone now than he was at home, as none of us understand. I have tried to understand and I do listen, but obviously not enough.

I'm sure I could convince my son to come home if he had someone he could talk to who understands.

We are based in the South East of England. Are there any group meetings? Or is there anyone from here in or around our area.

I'm desperately worried that he may do something silly.

I would love to hear from like-minded people that I could put him in touch with.

[celtic isis]

your kindred spirits are here! :)

i know it's damn hard to find someone you connect with in that special "unspoken" way you're talking about...it doesn't happen very often an di think these people come into your life just to teach you what you needed to be taught and then go again, and then may come back into your life again yeas down the line...that's what i've found anyway.

just be open, be yourself and they will come to you. :)

as regards your mum too...my mam was th eonly one who really accepted me and loved me just for who i am (things are different now) and she passed away a year ago on sunday so i lost the only one who was always understanding, it's hard to put into words, that acceptance a mother has for her child...hard to give advice to you about your mum, i'd say concentrate on finding yourself first and then work on your mum when you feel in a better place...

when people are blinded by religion like this, it can be impossible to make them wake up, my own mam was the same one time.

I have the same probs with my family too, i would just make yourself happy, your boys and sod the rest!

[lostinstrangeworld]

Thank you all, for being so understanding ;)

I'm in the South West of England, but I don't drive.

[eternal_spirit]

I can't believe I have found this thread today! What timing!

My son, who is 26 and is highly intelligent and a high achiever is, at the moment, the loneliest person on this earth.

He is so desperately down and feels so alone due to knowing what he knows and not having anyone he can converse with, that two nights ago he left home and I haven't seen him since. I am desperately worried!

He has text me, but says that he is no more alone now than he was at home, as none of us understand. I have tried to understand and I do listen, but obviously not enough.

I'm sure I could convince my son to come home if he had someone he could talk to who understands.

We are based in the South East of England. Are there any group meetings? Or is there anyone from here in or around our area.

I'm desperately worried that he may do something silly.

I would love to hear from like-minded people that I could put him in touch with.
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Give him sometime, he may come home when he's ready. Or let you know where he is so you can go visit him. I put my mother through the same when I was younger not getting in touch for weeks. He'll realize that you care and are on his side ( if that's an issue he has) if he's a sensitive soul he may find it impossible or uncomfortable to be around so many brainwashed, robotic types who have little empathy for the sensitive kind.

Sorry I'm up North.

[horus21]

I do.

I've come this far by myself.
I've had no-one to share this path with, apart from a few online friends, though not intimate ones.




FUCK THE WORLD

excuse the french.
I know what cha mean cos the assholes feel d same, this world is too fucked up to trust in, only thing which is worth trusting in is how even more fucked up its gona get. and eventually we is gona die, so then wat. I couldnt really give a fuck cos this is some pretty fucked up shit, and I aint depressed

I know this because I have experienced lifes bullshit, TOO MUCH
I was on the toilet today thats when i thought about it... its fuckin unbelievable.. like a fucked up dream what has happend when mapped out.;.. Thats why ... Cos everybody goes through it. And if everybody goes through it then the world is automatically fucked isnt it.

I meet good people, I see the beauty in life. Today im pissed off on a completely different level.

Every where I look, Loved ones I see, motherfuckin authorities, the FUCKIN WARS, THE FUCKIN DRUGS, FUCKKKKKKKIN

I dont care anymore, all I have is my balls, dignaty and brain which Nobody will get the best of ever again... and yeh. Fuck the world

[eternal_spirit]

Everyone I know thinks I'm crazy when I try explain some of the stuff I research. My Family have pleaded with me many times to go see a doctor ( to sort out my head )

I had another hearing test recently to try and prove to the docs that my hearing is better than it was. I'm almost certain I done well in the test ( I feel they lied and said I didn't do well they rigged the results)

Anyway this is the point, they said we can do an operation which may have a 2% success or you can have a hearing aid ( i don't think I need either) I think they wan't to micro chip me! I've read articles about how they have implanted micro chips into hearing aids:eek::mad:

When I explained this to my family they laughed at my theory and said why would they wan't to chip someone like me and won't consider it's possible.:rolleyes:


The girl I lived with for 13 years left me for a totally, conformed, robotic kind of guy so I've been alone almost 4 years. She said she wanted to be normal, like other people are and had had enough of Conspiracy.

But she may have my child even though she usually insists he's the father, and I've been threatened she'll have solicitors and Police on to me if i go round to their home..... I've never done anything to them except ask for a DNA test, but because she owns the home I live in I get threatened with eviction when I ask about DNA tests. Sorry if this is off subject
and I'm not looking for sympathy votes ( well maybe sub consciously I don't know )

It seems like everyone I knew turned on me....I tried suicide I was so lonely then tried again the day after( 3 years ago) I have many issues I feel I can't solve and may loose my home soon. I haven't even got the confidence to go to college, the vibes from the place and some of the people are so strange, I dropped out last time I was there.

See you can become so lonley and feel alienated, different than most people from doing this research you feel like giving up with it. But it's as though once you know so much you become a changed person and maybe past the point of no return ( to so called normality )

I have one friend who believes much of what I research, but don't see him often. He's the only visitor I've had in the past six months:rolleyes: Other people I know aren't welcome here for the shit they have tried to do to me in the past. I give people a second/third chance, but when I'm threatened with something bad I have to draw the line somewhere and they would laugh at my research anyway.

I have no money to socialise or go on a date and there isn't any where that would appeal to me at the moment. A dinner date would be nice. :) with a girl who could teach me something about what I research.

maybe I'm just crazy....

[horus21]

Everyone I know thinks I'm crazy when I try explain some of the stuff I research. My Family have pleaded with me many times to go see a doctor ( to sort out my head )

I had another hearing test recently to try and prove to the docs that my hearing is better than it was. I'm almost certain I done well in the test ( I feel they lied and said I didn't do well they rigged the results)

Anyway this is the point, they said we can do an operation which may have a 2% success or you can have a hearing aid ( i don't think I need either) I think they wan't to micro chip me! I've read articles about how they have implanted micro chips into hearing aids:eek::mad:

When I explained this to my family they laughed at my theory and said why would they wan't to chip someone like me and won't consider it's possible.:rolleyes:


The girl I lived with for 13 years left me for a totally, conformed, robotic kind of guy so I've been alone almost 4 years. She said she wanted to be normal, like other people are and had had enough of Conspiracy.

But she may have my child even though she usually insists he's the father, and I've been threatened she'll have solicitors and Police on to me if i go round to their home..... I've never done anything to them except ask for a DNA test, but because she owns the home I live in I get threatened with eviction when I ask about DNA tests. Sorry if this is off subject
and I'm not looking for sympathy votes ( well maybe sub consciously I don't know )

It seems like everyone I knew turned on me....I tried suicide I was so lonely then tried again the day after( 3 years ago) I have many issues I feel I can't solve and may loose my home soon. I haven't even got the confidence to go to college, the vibes from the place and some of the people are so strange, I dropped out last time I was there.

See you can become so lonley and feel alienated, different than most people from doing this research you feel like giving up with it. But it's as though once you know so much you become a changed person and maybe past the point of no return ( to so called normality )

I have one friend who believes much of what I research, but don't see him often. He's the only visitor I've had in the past six months:rolleyes: Other people I know aren't welcome here for the shit they have tried to do to me in the past. I give people a second/third chance, but when I'm threatened with something bad I have to draw the line somewhere and they would laugh at my research anyway.

I have no money to socialise or go on a date and there isn't any where that would appeal to me at the moment. A dinner date would be nice. :) with a girl who could teach me something about what I research.

maybe I'm just crazy....


Bro u may not wana hear this but
You just gota cut loose
Your not crazy, your human, and humans are many things one of them being thinkers. A completley natural trait which is being attacked by the system in many ways for a thought conditioning which would be injected as a norm mindframe in society. Some people have crazy thoughts but its something which actually put them there, it can be even more complicated with a large problem to overcome so, dont worry theres probly no other way u could have done it.

Cut your losses, get your money together and make a move. Start a new life.

[lostinstrangeworld]

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x268/AmelieJolie7/infinitelove.jpg

[lostinstrangeworld]

I believe in the basic theme of this short film on Youtube :)

Lightworkers...unite! - YouTube

[horus21]

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x268/AmelieJolie7/infinitelove.jpg

then wat?
live in la la land? lol

[eternal_spirit]

Bro u may not wana hear this but
You just gota cut loose
Your not crazy, your human, and humans are many things one of them being thinkers. A completley natural trait which is being attacked by the system in many ways for a thought conditioning which would be injected as a norm mindframe in society. Some people have crazy thoughts but its something which actually put them there, it can be even more complicated with a large problem to overcome so, dont worry theres probly no other way u could have done it.

Cut your losses, get your money together and make a move. Start a new life.
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Yes I was one for drifting off and day dreaming at school ( thinking my own thoughts) Even when i tried to unders
tand, some of the stuff they taught seems like utter bollocks.

I've had the lot visions, spirits.. hearing stuff, being touched when there's no one there. thought I was going mad, or under attack from evil spirits, which is a possibility, but I'm glad to have found out about the machines they use against us, mind programming techniques etc. So I know it's sometimes an external force and not me.

Some issues are so deep, complicated and have various theories, it's not easy explaining to anyone new to these subjects.

Time out is needed from research do something you enjoy, even if it's the so called norm. A basic convo not conspiracy related can seem boring, but other times can be a good thing.

[lostinstrangeworld]

I would like to move into a commune made of 'Earthships' :)

Earthships 101 part I - YouTube

[lostinstrangeworld]

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Yes I was one for drifting off and day dreaming at school ( thinking my own thoughts) Even when i tried to unders
tand, some of the stuff they taught seems like utter bollocks.

I've had the lot visions, spirits.. hearing stuff, being touched when there's no one there. thought I was going mad, or under attack from evil spirits, which is a possibility, but I'm glad to have found out about the machines they use against us, mind programming techniques etc. So I know it's sometimes an external force and not me.

Some issues are so deep, complicated and have various theories, it's not easy explaining to anyone new to these subjects.

Time out is needed from research do something you enjoy, even if it's the so called norm. A basic convo not conspiracy related can seem boring, but other times can be a good thing.

I feel strongly that our mind is a powerful tool in creating/ influencing our reality, although it takes energy, effort and focus within this 'dense' reality.

In the Credo Mutwa radio interview, David was asked why no harm had come to him. He answered, in basic words, that it has to do with our thoughts.

There are evil influences in this world, but if we ask for help/ protection, we may receive it.

I know that some of the things I personally have endured are because of my own thought patterns. I have been "locked in a prison" of my "own device"- lyrics by The Doors- Unhappy Girl, Strange Days album

[eternal_spirit]

I feel strongly that our mind is a powerful tool in creating/ influencing our reality, although it takes energy, effort and focus within this 'dense' reality.

In the Credo Mutwa radio interview, David was asked why no harm had come to him. He answered, in basic words, that it has to do with our thoughts.

There are evil influences in this world, but if we ask for help/ protection, we may receive it.

I know that some of the things I personally have endured are because of my own thought patterns. I have been "locked in a prison" of my "own device"- lyrics by The Doors- Unhappy Girl, Strange Days album
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I agree with that to a certain extent and do feel I'm protected at times and I'm amazed and thankful to be in one piece, with some of the things that have happened over the years. My family are optomists.

But there are some things other people and external forces that really are beyond you're control and there is nothing you can do to stop some things happening. Although sometimes miracles/magic, divine intervention the hand of God lol whatever can happen.

I think Icke said on a radio interview if people have a lot of light in their being the darker evil forces can only do so much to you.

[lostinstrangeworld]

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I agree with that to a certain extent and do feel I'm protected at times and I'm amazed and thankful to be in one piece, with some of the things that have happened over the years. My family are optomists.

But there are some things other people and external forces that really are beyond you're control and there is nothing you can do to stop some things happening. Although sometimes miracles/magic, divine intervention the hand of God lol whatever can happen.

I think Icke said on a radio interview if people have a lot of light in their being the darker evil forces can only do so much to you.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[lostinstrangeworld]

then wat?
live in la la land? lol

Listen carefully to this part of the radio interview.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

The problem with the world is it is out of balance right now. We have forgotten who we truly are.

[lostinstrangeworld]

But all that is coming to an end soon. The cycle is coming to an end as reflected in the Mayan calendar. As above, so below. It is a cosmic clock.

This isn't 'negative'.

(Part 1) Indigenous Native American Prophecy (Elders Speak part 1) - YouTube

[lilly555]

Answering the thread title's question. Yes I do get lonely. I don't relate to "normal" people that much. It doesn't bother me though. Do I wish that I had a circle of friends that I could talk to this about, yeah sure. That would be ideal. My father was the one who intrduced me to Icke so we talk about stuff a lot. Every now and then I wish a had more peers my own age to chat with. I could see how it would be hard if you had no human contact with this sort of thing.

[adzboarder]

It's hard work being a free-thinker but empowering.

For me I have a group of best friends who are always up for talking about some of this stuff and other 'what ifs' and 'how big is the universe' kind of things so we can bounce around off each other and discuss stuff. We also watch media together and discuss as it goes along and we also tear up newspapers and rubbish all the "news" in them. It's fun and we are all at a certain level in our understanding.

Weed helps.

You do need to draw a line between all this "stuff" and ensure you spend enough time with friends and family and do things you like, for me that's play games, go boarding (snow or mountain, I care not) or watch films, you need to just forget it all for a while and just chill.

For me, brilliantly, I work in a team of 7 people, and even the hardened christian among us can grasp the idea that things aren't as they seem and for the most part all of them have started to wake up over the last year or so which means I can have proper discussions with folks who can read between the lines at both work and home and this helps you deal with what is fast becoming a crisis.

It's hard to raise some of this stuff to the sheeple, they immediately reject it so you need to be clever, give them the facts and encourage them to go look for themselves. When they come back and say "holy shit AdZ - you were right - what else are these fuckers up to?" then that can only be seen as a positive step towards waking up yet another sleeper.

So in closing, spend time researching and playing in equal measures. Keep those who matter close, discard the rest. Look after your family, work hard to stop yourself from going crazy and sow seeds for the disbelievers.

Love and luck to all.

PS: I'm in Kent, a busy boy though most of the time but if anyone wants my MSN for a chat with someone who knows then let me know.

[eternal_spirit]

Listen carefully to this part of the radio interview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEBANTPpDBM

The problem with the world is it is out of balance right now. We have forgotten who we truly are.
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Thanks, I've listened to him before and watched his videos. Some is Interesting. Is there a point to this interview you'd like to focus on?

[soglad]

I feel incredibly lonely at times. Even though, in terms of human companionship, I've lots of great friends...so....I'm not SOCIALLY lonely. I just crave love. I'm lonely for love. And not really the crappy manufactured "being in love" type of love, regarding the oposite gender. I'm talking about everyone just loving everyone else, unconditionally, like we do our pets, and all living together in self sufficiency. That's what I crave!!

[lostinstrangeworld]

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Thanks, I've listened to him before and watched his videos. Some is Interesting. Is there a point to this interview you'd like to focus on?

He talks about how things were "before"...before "they" came.

But all that is going to change soon :) This cycle is coming to an end. Their dominion is coming to an end.

[lostinstrangeworld]

Levellers - The Likes Of You And I

Do you ever stop to think from time to time
About the way the world's been left behind
In another place, another time
We could maybe change the way we think
Take the blinkers from our eyes

Do you think that maybe she was not alone
Do you think there's someone out there
Do you think that they might know
And if they don't do you think
They should be told
Cos she's living in a nightmare
Burning out of her control

Take the rope
Take the blindfold from your eyes
Take the rope from around your neck
And the blindfold from your eyes

And you'll never be surprised
When they tell you that they love you
While they're eating you alive

Do you think you have the strength to carry on
Or has the black cat got your tongue
Don't worry now the world will be alright
Cos the land has been here longer
Than the likes of you and I

[lapis]

Being a "free thinker" is hard even in the old lower world that worships the intellect above everything else! Being a person who lives and simply is energetically free is a whole different story; a whole different level of this issue.

First is the "thinking" or intellectual aspect of this process of pulling oneself up out of the accepted box of reality. Second is the phase of deep emotional desire to be increasingly free from the limitations that that box really is. And thirdly one reaches the phase where they actually are emotionally and energetically living outside of the accepted box of reality and feel tremendously isolated and alone because of it. "Realities within realities" and there's steps or levels to this as well. Many many people are at this point right now. Welcome to the beginning of your real freedom. Welcome to your ascension/evolution out of all that the old box and your limited intellect really was.

Be strong, keep you eyes and Heart on your goal because its easier to reach now than it ever has been on this planet or entire system before. Ever! But there's one big trick to reaching and remaining in our newly found and increasing freedom and that is.....let go of the old lower everything. To reach the next rung on the ladder, we must let go of the rung we're standing on now. And like I said, the whole cosmic everything is and will continue to make this an easy choice with the energetic Way clearly lit. Step away from the old lower vibrating insanity and manifest and maintain your highest most pure desire from within your Heart and Soul. Be it, radiate it, love it, don't just think it, and that will greatly assist you to cross the gap of realities and reconnect with like-energy Family and Friends at the next rung. ;)

[lostinstrangeworld]

Thank you, lapis.

I think all I need is to be in the right places here I can find those people.

I think we all need a balance of mind, body and soul.

[freedomnonfighter]

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Aw I'm sorry some of ya'll don't really have anyone personally to share your experiences / knowledge with on a mutual level :(

To answer your question of what it's like:

I've been lucky enough to have gone through my entire Awakening with another soul... most of our biggest life-changing experiences have been together :)

And we've woken up many of our friends; it's a lot easier with two people!

We're always thinking the same things (somewhat of a telepathic connection), always noticing the same absurdities and laughing at them, having perfectly timed synchronicities / deja vu's... it's wonderful. And even those that are experienced separately, we can still talk about it and relate to it and laugh about it.

It's great to always have someone who you can just "omg lol I know me too... *high five*!"

Outside of those friends, oh it is certainly and gravely difficult to function in this psychopathic and schizophrenic society when you're actually sane.

At work especially. "DO THIS ITS THE WAY THINGS ARE DONE AND ITS THE WAY THINGS ARE" - What? Haven't you realized Impermanence? Who said? For what? Why? No! This is stupid! We aren't supposed to be living and slaving away like this can't you see?!?!

A great phrase as far as expression of ideas and the reactions you get for them:
"Those who matter don't mind and those who mind don't matter."
Not to say they don't matter at all, but don't let 'em get to ya!

And like someone said above, "Weed helps"
Certainly!!! Big fan of Nature right here :D

Cheer up all, we will all be together someday in the near future!
Looking back and laughing, all of us.

And we are already One, always have been and always will be :) :D

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/1456/compuetr2iy8.gif

[freedomnonfighter]

John Lennon - Watching the Wheels ;)
..and Strange Days :)

[john67]

Lonely, definately.

I started with the NWO and 'conspiracies' around 3 yrs ago. My wife, (of 17 yrs), daughter and friends think i am a nutcase. I dare not even mention things like aliens, 2012 and reality. The only people i talk to are 'strangers' on forums, (and i have only recently started that).

So i spend 6 hours every morning reading alternative news sites and forums, then after 12:00 i get drunk and smoke weed with my 'friends' pretending i am 'normal' whilst constantly watching and observing how indoctrinated they are.

It's a sad f**king life, but i'm hoping there is only just over 5yrs to go :cool:

John
North West England
900 ft above sea level and next to an underground reservoir (just in case) :o

[orgo knight]

My dad is pretty hardcore into this stuff so I talk to him about this stuff sometimes.
I come here to learn and explore with like minded folk. And it's all good!!
woo hoo !!!!

BTW......They are losing:)

[lostinstrangeworld]

Freedomfighter, just out of curiousity is this friend of yours a "Twin Flame" or Soul Mate? (Plutonic or non-plutonic).

[equinox]

Hi Lostinastrangeworld,
I know how you feel, the people who are openminded enough to take on board what david Icke is saying can seem to be few and far between.
One thing I have found helpful on my journey though is 'Theta Healing',I did a basic, and an advanced course,these really helped me offload alot of baggage from past lives,etc,the website I would recommend is drsangeetasahi.com, I don't agree with everything she says, but she has a great perspective, having been a doctor and a surgeon, with a degree in business administration too, very grounded.
I think this has given me more strength in dealing with people, i lent my mother 'the biggest secret', she raed the bit about Diana, but i don't think she has properly understood it or taken it on board, my brother is very skeptical just says'bollocks' to anything like this, i lent the 'freedom or fascism'DVD to my sister and nephew, they're are more open minded than i thought, which has pleased me
neilslade.com is another interesting site, this is about 'clicking the amygdala', imagine a feather going into both temples on the side of your head, going in about an inch, and tickling your amygdala, which is walnut shaped apparently, it governs emotions, and brings energy from the more basic areas of the brain, into the frontal lobes, for more creativity, ESP, intelligence, etc, I've been doing this for about 6 years now, and i quite often get waves of pleasure through my whole body, ESP,creative ideas.
I hope i have given you some stugff to think about.
Take it easy, and keep trudging the path!

[freedomnonfighter]

Freedomfighter, just out of curiousity is this friend of yours a "Twin Flame" or Soul Mate? (Plutonic or non-plutonic).

Lol, I dunno about him necessarily being my Soul Mate or anything like that, as he is a dude and I am a dude and we're not into that whole dude-dude thing ;)

I'm still looking for that :)

We're just very connected and on the same wavelength, though I'm sure we have some past-life connections of some sort.

[lizzy]

Yes, I am with each and every one of you. I Really do feel lonely in my quest for Truth. I am 57, (an old Hippie who married a yank who I thought was an altewrnative thinker but actually voted for Reagan, I was appualed) and came to live in Seattle in 1980. It was a hard marriage he was bi-polar and ans alcoholic. I should have felt and brought the children back to the UK but I did'nt , so here I must stay, for I will not forsake my children who are now 24 and 26 and the joys of being a Grandma one day. But Oh how I fear for their future. My daughter, Claire is an 'old soul' and looks forward to Motherhood and I have told her 'bad times are a coming'....I an looking for a couple of acreas now, with well , we still have good water in the NW, live live near the Canadian border and trees for a wood burning stove.
Anyway that's the quick bio, but my moving here really severed my moorings and I will never feel complete or at home, layer the bonified conspirarcy theorist on this and you basically have one very lonely , fragmented person.
But I try to stay 'alive' within myself but this passion for this Truth we know has consumed me now and the Dark Age that we must go through to evolve during the 2000 Aquarian years, we will witness Global enslavement for the masses, the canibalizing of our own countries, our personal right reduced to nothing....'(Thankyou for only tasering me one time, please i promise I won't ask for my rights again') ....
I Luv you All....I am So Glad (soglad, I do like him, LOL) I have found this site. I saw David here in the US recently, his presentation was a but subdued, he does'nt want to find himself on the no-fly list either.
But what I have found here recently is the gob smacking underdtanding that to get through any more of this I have got to put more empthise on my spiritual growth and members here have already pointed me in a very solid direction. For a start I am going to start growing magic mushrooms, LOL
I hope this page is a start for those of us who need that extra support . luv and encouragement , cus I know I need it.
Oh Man , I sixties and the 70's in London were really great, we had a real feeling that we were gunna change something. Geez,...and WHO said...we won't get fooled again. LOL.
lizzy

[lizzy]

PS.....most of you are very computer savvy.....I luv your inserts and pics.
I will have to find out how to do that.......I am so happy . I joined a couple of months ago but only started to blog in the last few days.

[ladyjane]

big hugs to everyone on this thread!

Yes, it is a very lonely path, but we are the pioneers! Without us leading the way the world would not be moving into the state of awakened consciousness that it is. I too feel alienated, surrounded as we all are by so many sleeping sheeple, but when I look at the world and see it for what it really is now that the veil of illusion is lifting I take solace in knowing that I have been truely blessed with the knowledge that I have.

I know it's desparate isn't it to watch people sleep walking through their daily lives!

I guess I'm slightly luckier than some of you folks as I have a couple of close friends who know what I know but as far as family and work colleagues are concerned they would consider me mad enough to be certifiable.

Remember, dear, dear friends:

The lone wolf does not play with a pack of dogs. And the eagle does not fly with the flock but soars high in the heavens alone.

[lostinstrangeworld]

Remember, dear, dear friends:

The lone wolf does not play with a pack of dogs. And the eagle does not fly with the flock but soars high in the heavens alone.

:)

These words are lovely, ladyjane.


Lizzy,

I really would love to go back to that era and just party with everyone!
However, I would have to do it in a teetotal sort of way!

I'm afraid drugs are not my cup of "tea", lol (Brazilian 'Waska' tea sounds interesting). :D

I just love music from that era though.

I actually manage to get high in other ways.
My moods are always kind of deep and abstract, hence I don't drive! :D

Music I love makes me go into a trance.


I feel for you when you say you miss England, where you feel you are 'home'.

When I see Native American people and your tall majestic trees......I too get that feeling.... a sort of longing.

But it's true that home is where the heart is.
Where we belong can be wherever we imagine.

It's not easy, but I do feel is more about who you are with than where.
Finding kindred souls.

I hope to find some too, with my involvement in holistic therapies and such, which has only just began.
But it won't happen overnight.
I guess I just get a little impatient. ;)


And that's wonderful you got to meet David.
I'll tell you something really funny.
I think I'm in love with him! :D

:p

[celtic isis]

I can't believe I have found this thread today! What timing!

My son, who is 26 and is highly intelligent and a high achiever is, at the moment, the loneliest person on this earth.

He is so desperately down and feels so alone due to knowing what he knows and not having anyone he can converse with, that two nights ago he left home and I haven't seen him since. I am desperately worried!

He has text me, but says that he is no more alone now than he was at home, as none of us understand. I have tried to understand and I do listen, but obviously not enough.

I'm sure I could convince my son to come home if he had someone he could talk to who understands.

We are based in the South East of England. Are there any group meetings? Or is there anyone from here in or around our area.

I'm desperately worried that he may do something silly.

I would love to hear from like-minded people that I could put him in touch with.

omg i hope everything works out for you and your son worried :)

sorry i don't know of any groups etc in your area, i'm sure someone on here will though.

[celtic isis]

Everyone I know thinks I'm crazy when I try explain some of the stuff I research. My Family have pleaded with me many times to go see a doctor ( to sort out my head )

I had another hearing test recently to try and prove to the docs that my hearing is better than it was. I'm almost certain I done well in the test ( I feel they lied and said I didn't do well they rigged the results)

Anyway this is the point, they said we can do an operation which may have a 2% success or you can have a hearing aid ( i don't think I need either) I think they wan't to micro chip me! I've read articles about how they have implanted micro chips into hearing aids:eek::mad:

When I explained this to my family they laughed at my theory and said why would they wan't to chip someone like me and won't consider it's possible.:rolleyes:


The girl I lived with for 13 years left me for a totally, conformed, robotic kind of guy so I've been alone almost 4 years. She said she wanted to be normal, like other people are and had had enough of Conspiracy.

But she may have my child even though she usually insists he's the father, and I've been threatened she'll have solicitors and Police on to me if i go round to their home..... I've never done anything to them except ask for a DNA test, but because she owns the home I live in I get threatened with eviction when I ask about DNA tests. Sorry if this is off subject
and I'm not looking for sympathy votes ( well maybe sub consciously I don't know )

It seems like everyone I knew turned on me....I tried suicide I was so lonely then tried again the day after( 3 years ago) I have many issues I feel I can't solve and may loose my home soon. I haven't even got the confidence to go to college, the vibes from the place and some of the people are so strange, I dropped out last time I was there.

See you can become so lonley and feel alienated, different than most people from doing this research you feel like giving up with it. But it's as though once you know so much you become a changed person and maybe past the point of no return ( to so called normality )

I have one friend who believes much of what I research, but don't see him often. He's the only visitor I've had in the past six months:rolleyes: Other people I know aren't welcome here for the shit they have tried to do to me in the past. I give people a second/third chance, but when I'm threatened with something bad I have to draw the line somewhere and they would laugh at my research anyway.

I have no money to socialise or go on a date and there isn't any where that would appeal to me at the moment. A dinner date would be nice. :) with a girl who could teach me something about what I research.

maybe I'm just crazy....


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[celtic isis]

My dad is pretty hardcore into this stuff so I talk to him about this stuff sometimes.
I come here to learn and explore with like minded folk. And it's all good!!
woo hoo !!!!

BTW......They are losing:)

YAAAAAAAAAAY that's the spirit! my dad is into this stuff too now! :D

[soglad]

YAAAAAAAAAAY that's the spirit! my dad is into this stuff too now! :D

I left a bunch of conspiracy DVDs that I got from Fantana in Glastonbury in the table in the living room....my Mam calls me and asks me what type of films are these? I said "They're true story films, you'll like them!".....so she puts on Terrorstorm! AHHAHA

She watched it all last night....and she agrees with it all! :D

Awesomeness!

I'm going to hand out these DVDs to loads of people! ;)

I shall send one to my father, who's a tad bit closed-minded with this stuff!

[celtic isis]

I left a bunch of conspiracy DVDs that I got from Fantana in Glastonbury in the table in the living room....my Mam calls me and asks me what type of films are these? I said "They're true story films, you'll like them!".....so she puts on Terrorstorm! AHHAHA

She watched it all last night....and she agrees with it all! :D

Awesomeness!

I'm going to hand out these DVDs to loads of people! ;)

I shall send one to my father, who's a tad bit closed-minded with this stuff!

you said it all there soglad AWESOMENESS!

i'm so proud of you! good on ya! yay! :D

i'm going to do the same when i get my hand on some dvds, it's th eonly way isn't it ;)

haha "true story" films! lol :D hahahaha

[celtic isis]

I left a bunch of conspiracy DVDs that I got from Fantana in Glastonbury in the table in the living room....my Mam calls me and asks me what type of films are these? I said "They're true story films, you'll like them!".....so she puts on Terrorstorm! AHHAHA

She watched it all last night....and she agrees with it all! :D

Awesomeness!

I'm going to hand out these DVDs to loads of people! ;)

I shall send one to my father, who's a tad bit closed-minded with this stuff!


haha she was probably also relieved they weren't porn! :D

[soglad]

haha "true story" films! lol :D hahahaha

Yeah! I went the sneaky way about it! HAHAHA :D:D;);)

[soglad]

haha she was probably also relieved they weren't porn! :D

9/11 porn????

HAHAHAHAHAHHAA

:D:D:D:D:D

[lostinstrangeworld]

Worried,
I have been thinking about you too.

Please don't blame yourself. We all need our own space, no matter how wonderful our parents may be.....And no parent can be perfect. I wanted to be a perfect mum to my son the minute I first laid my eyes on him- this soon proved to be impossible!

He has to work things out by himself.
I sincerely hope he manages to find his inner strength.
That can keep one going through anything.

I left home at age 17 and have been through an awful lot, but something always kept me going (I came back to stay with my mum temporarily at the age of 22).

All you can do is offer your love and advice.
Accept he has to make his own decisions. He is responsible for himself.
Just always be there for him and I'm sure he'll appreciate that even if he doesn't show it. :)

Much love to you both.

And strength.

Life is just a journey.
It isn't easy.

Ask for guidance.


LOVE

[celtic isis]

9/11 porn????

HAHAHAHAHAHHAA

:D:D:D:D:D

haha! :eek:

no but she saw this whole pile of dvds...:D

LMAO

[lizzy]

Hi Guys ,just reading through this thead. I wamt to gibe a BIG Thanks to ''lost ina strangeworld' for their (her and hims') kind words of acknowledgement. I rally have found the last 17yrs in the US hard........like now what in the hel did i do in a past life'', LOL
I also have a 27 yr old son who is having a difficult time, for some reason his gorlfriends' don't stay long, he is in his secong year of lawschool ( I hope he works for a non-profit or something , I would hate to see the system eat him up, he is very bright but had lousy teachers and good a poor footing in sciemce and is not an artist. But a really nice human being , too nice for law but it was his choice.
lastly , the Terrorstorm vid, LOL. soglas she enjoyed it. I have bought all the Alex Jones , Aaron Russo, ect. Alex is a real McCoy as an activisit.. I luv him.
I am hurting now with all the real world happenings, that Cathy O'Brian vid hit me hard.
I am going to try to push myself harder in the other direction now. Into our altered states enviroment . Soglad's vids are so inspiring. I also like Micheal Tsarion , he puts his work across really well.
I am so happy to be here. The chat site did'nt open up a for a few minutes and I thought perhaps it had been nacked and I freaked, LOL.
Also , yes if I had the 70;s in London back again , I wish I would be young snough to do exactly what I did again, LOL. Lennon was with us then, anything was possible.
I Love you guys, living in the NW . I can really stay for now,......solong and thanks for all the fish, LOL
Lizzy

[lizzy]

Must learn to use "preview post,......

[notaslave]

Being single, on occasion I guess I do but it goes quickly, when you actually observe how people treat each other in relationships and I was married a long time too so I know how mind numbingly predictable that can be after so many years. Also I have a lot of single friends male and female so I dont feel lonely long. None of my friends are into this stuff, though a few have their doubts about the official story on 9/11, others are political and some are totally asleep. So I can talk to one or two about 9/11 and others about "who is really running the show" and others only about mundane things.

I'm far too out of the normal to be in a relationship being an older feminist (ie I dont need "protected" thanks, I can fix my own pc and can probably put up shelves better than than the protector lol) and into this stuff and also I really dont want to date a work slave. So it's very much needle in haystack if I even bothered to look... which I dont anymore.

This forum is good cos you can talk about what you like. It isnt a case of "Oh I cant mention that subject" to this person, cos this forum isnt closed minded.

[lostinstrangeworld]

I've been listening to this song lately. I think the lyrics describe my feelings about life well.


Far away
This ship has taken me far away
Far away from the memories
Of the people who care if I live or die

Starlight
I will be chasing a starlight
Until the end of my life
I don't know if it's worth it anymore

Hold you in my arms
I just wanted to hold
You in my arms

My life
You electrify my life
Lets conspire to ignite
All the souls that would die just to feel alive

I'll never let you go
If you promise not to fade away
Never fade away

Our hopes and expectations
Black holes and revelations

Our hopes and expectations
Black holes and revelations

Hold you in my arms
I just wanted to hold
You here in my arms

Far away
This ship has taken me far away
Far away from the memories
Of the people who care if I live or die

I'll never let you go
If you promise not to fade away
Never fade away

Our hopes and expectations
Black holes and revelations
Our hopes and expectations
Black holes and revelations

Hold you in my arms
I just wanted to hold
You in my arms
I just wanted to hold

[mr marvellous]

Jon - know exactly what you mean, i'm married been into conspiracy stuff for 2 years but don't really know where to go with it. I spend most evenings from midnight to 2-3 am reading/ watching online videos on this stuff. But without people to talk to its so frustrating plus am unsure where to go with it.

[popeye11]

As David or Bill would say, "this is just a ride, like an amusement park" get what you can out of it and when one begins to wake up and see how absolutely ridiculous it is, one can not expect that everyone else is also waking up. Other people can feel that there is something different about you even if you did not utter a word and it might seem threatening to them, but they do not know why. (thus the feelings of rejection)
When you have truly had enough of this reality or non reality, you will be able to leave this dream or nightmare, (your choice) without using violence against yourself.

Love

Popeye

[lostinstrangeworld]

As David or Bill would say, "this is just a ride, like an amusement park" get what you can out of it and when one begins to wake up and see how absolutely ridiculous it is, one can not expect that everyone else is also waking up. Other people can feel that there is something different about you even if you did not utter a word and it might seem threatening to them, but they do not know why. (thus the feelings of rejection)
When you have truly had enough of this reality or non reality, you will be able to leave this dream or nightmare, (your choice) without using violence against yourself.

Love

Popeye

:)

[freedomnonfighter]

http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/2/3D_emoticon_255.gif

Indeed :D

Nothing wrong with hopping in the front row of the rollercoaster by yourself

There's still a whole load people on the same traincar on the same ride

And even more people just waiting to get on, too :)

Some puke http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/2/3D_emoticon_142.gif and go home http://members.shaw.ca/wenpigsfly/smileys/marsa37.gif,
and some just keep on riding it again and again
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Lol.. did I take that too far?

[lostinstrangeworld]

:D

[lostinstrangeworld]

Eperdu Galactic Dreams - YouTube

[lostinstrangeworld]

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=8222732533828803056&q=Michael+Tsarion&total=242&start=20&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2

Michael Tsarion Remix by God's Other Devil.

What is said in the film about us feeling estranged from 'others'.....is how it is, I think.

[lightbeing]

I know exactly how you feel, felt very lonely for most of this month, got in a bit of a 'dark hole', but managed to climb out and view things from a different perspective:) Maybe like what David is now doing, seeing things from 'out there' looking back..........:)


I do.

I've come this far by myself.
I've had no-one to share this path with, apart from a few online friends, though not intimate ones.

[lostinstrangeworld]

"Life's a piece of shit, when you look at it".

[de_shit]

The best thing to cure depression is to just sit back, drink a Coca Cola, and listen to your favorite music in a darkened room. I suggest Soundgarden as the artist of choice, they make music about depression and that you shouldn't let it keep you down in a shit hole. Just listen to what the music of your choice says and relate to it.

[de_shit]

I have always been an outsider in groups, I think of myself as higher than them all of the time. I guess since I'm a free thinker I am above them, but they are still me, the part of me that doesn't know about free thinking. The only thing that fixed my depression was Ickes book Infinite Love. I related to what he says so thats why the depression ended.

[lizzy]

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=8222732533828803056&q=Michael+Tsarion&total=242&start=20&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2

Michael Tsarion Remix by God's Other Devil.

What is said in the film about us feeling estranged from 'others'.....is how it is, I think.

For me your statement is true.
I am sane enough to seee the insanity. Everything IS backwards.
And I join you in your loneliness.
Micheal Tsarion is one of my absolute favourites along with Alan Watt.
love,lizzy

[lostinstrangeworld]

That's cool you like him to Lizzy, and love to you.

I really want to create my own reality, but how does this work when all I really long for is a family and a sense of belonging?

It's a bit difficult.....I don't get on with my family, who live in different places. I am not originally from the area where I live. I hated school, which I rarely attended. I fell in love with someone who has never wanted to fully commit with anyone, ended up getting pregnant which I didn't plan, but I decided not to have an abortion. Lived between his house and my mother's, but had a lot of arguments at my mother's. So I tried living at his house but it was a nightmare. Eventually settled down and got my own place near the end of last year. Find it difficult to feel I fit in as a single mum in this area. I can't get a part-time job because there is no-one to help look after the children. The government only help with child care if you work full-time and I'm not leaving my boys with a stranger all that time.

I'm really depressed because I feel so lonely and I struggle with my boys because I find them so demanding. Their Dad helps look after them a lot though.

Money is a big restriction.

I started a course but their Dad said he wasn't going to give me lifts any more when I made it clear we both need to go our own separate ways now. I don't drive.

But I really want to create my own reality........somehow.

I think I am going to have to cut back on the weekly shopping, which is going to be a struggle....to try and get some money together to pay for driving lessons. I'll try and get a part-time job, on a day when their Dad can have them.

[oceanwave]

I do.

I've come this far by myself.
I've had no-one to share this path with, apart from a few online friends, though not intimate ones.



no, not really...

...only that you find yourself scarce..confusing?..of course

it is nice to share (have confirmation)

but it is better to *know* in your own heart of hearts....and that is the greatest challenge anyone of us can face upon our lifetime here

to know thine own self

it seems to me you are doing well and you know it not...

...physician heal thyself...

:)

[lostinstrangeworld]

Not too sure about that. The truth is I feel so tired of being me, in the restrictions of this biological computer body and this life. If I could have anything I could ask for right now, then it would be a support network of family and friends....or even just to meet my "Twin Flame"

"All I wanted was a little love to take the pain away, growing strong today"- (line from Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating In Space- Spiritualized.

I'm stuck in this feeling of ennui, it's as if this isolation is suffocating my soul, stifling me. It's like feeling partly dead inside.

There's not a lot I can do about that. Even getting a full-time job and leaving my kids with some stranger wouldn't necessarily bring me that feeling of true friendship and belonging I painfully long for.

"La tristesse durera".

[aventurine]

Ohh lostinastrangeworld, how I empathise with you! (hugs) I have been through so many similar situations to yourself.

I get a strong feeling that things are progressing nicely with you though - keep up the good work :)

[lostinstrangeworld]

The thing is, I think I would be fine if I could just find myself a family of some sort......the internet isn't the same as real life.

[demiurge]

just don t think about it that way, because if you do you only create negative energy around your self and become like a isolation catalisator(couldn t think of a better word), but trust me, the more you stop thinking about it in that sense the better for you and your surrounding. focus more on the positive things. ask for it and it will be given ;)

[lizzy]

The thing is, I think I would be fine if I could just find myself a family of some sort......the internet isn't the same as real life.

But we ca start a 'family ' here for those of us who need the extra comfort of other lonely enlightened souls. ??????

[mr_moon]

The thing is, I think I would be fine if I could just find myself a family of some sort......the internet isn't the same as real life.

Hello!

I've been reading your posts my love and i would just like to say a few things:

We are all 'alone' in this Universe but we are 'alone' together...! The word 'lonely' has been mixed up and confused by society for eons and it isn't the same. To feel lonely, you must feel that you are missing something or someone. You may feel that this is a part of you... and you would be right.

That part of you that is missing is your acknowledgement that YOU are amazing and the complete creation of your SELF! Nothing is really 'missing'... you are just missing your self!! Acknowledge this, appreciate it and love who you are.

It sounds like there are fears in you (as there are in us all) and it is those fears that need to be faced. Fill your head with Courage, like a light filling it up and send it into your heart. When you do this, pay attention to the Fears that may arise and then you will know where and what you need to do, in order to overcome them.

When you tackle these things head on with great courage, you can then allow yourself to witness just how perfect and beautiful your life is in this moment. You can bring your attention to the little things that occur, allowing your reality to manifest in exactly the way you are focusing...

...if you 'feel' alone-then you make yourself 'alone'. If you feel Joy, then things will come along to enhance and help that experience. Do you see?

We do not need other people because we are perfect as we are. They do not need us either. We need nothing but we want quite a lot...

So my advice to you is to ask questions to your self as to why you may feel the way you do. Question what makes you believe this mere 'thought' and look to your heart. There are thoughts in the heart too but we forget about listening to those because it takes courage to do that...

...but things are never as bad as they appear. EVER.

Lots of Love to you
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[lostinstrangeworld]

Hello!

I've been reading your posts my love and i would just like to say a few things:

We are all 'alone' in this Universe but we are 'alone' together...! The word 'lonely' has been mixed up and confused by society for eons and it isn't the same. To feel lonely, you must feel that you are missing something or someone. You may feel that this is a part of you... and you would be right.

That part of you that is missing is your acknowledgement that YOU are amazing and the complete creation of your SELF! Nothing is really 'missing'... you are just missing your self!! Acknowledge this, appreciate it and love who you are.

It sounds like there are fears in you (as there are in us all) and it is those fears that need to be faced. Fill your head with Courage, like a light filling it up and send it into your heart. When you do this, pay attention to the Fears that may arise and then you will know where and what you need to do, in order to overcome them.

When you tackle these things head on with great courage, you can then allow yourself to witness just how perfect and beautiful your life is in this moment. You can bring your attention to the little things that occur, allowing your reality to manifest in exactly the way you are focusing...

...if you 'feel' alone-then you make yourself 'alone'. If you feel Joy, then things will come along to enhance and help that experience. Do you see?

We do not need other people because we are perfect as we are. They do not need us either. We need nothing but we want quite a lot...

So my advice to you is to ask questions to your self as to why you may feel the way you do. Question what makes you believe this mere 'thought' and look to your heart. There are thoughts in the heart too but we forget about listening to those because it takes courage to do that...

...but things are never as bad as they appear. EVER.

Lots of Love to you
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Your words are beautiful.

Thanks. :)

[mr_moon]

Your words are beautiful.

Thanks. :)

:)

You actually inspired me to finish a piece of art i've been working on:

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f273/jaystansfield/The-Walls-We-Build_1000x713.jpg
"The Walls we Build for Ourselves" Real ink & Digital Ink.2007.

[freedomnonfighter]

Hehe :D

Awesome piece, Moon :cool:

[chandrakavi]

:)

You actually inspired me to finish a piece of art i've been working on:

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f273/jaystansfield/The-Walls-We-Build_1000x713.jpg
"The Walls we Build for Ourselves" Real ink & Digital Ink.2007.


The meaning of the word F.E.A.R.:D

F. FALSE
E. EXPECTATION
A. OF APPARENT
R. REALITY

[lizzy]

:)

These words are lovely, ladyjane.


Lizzy,

I really would love to go back to that era and just party with everyone!
However, I would have to do it in a teetotal sort of way!

I'm afraid drugs are not my cup of "tea", lol (Brazilian 'Waska' tea sounds interesting). :D

I just love music from that era though.

I actually manage to get high in other ways.
My moods are always kind of deep and abstract, hence I don't drive! :D

Music I love makes me go into a trance.


I feel for you when you say you miss England, where you feel you are 'home'.

When I see Native American people and your tall majestic trees......I too get that feeling.... a sort of longing.

But it's true that home is where the heart is.
Where we belong can be wherever we imagine.

It's not easy, but I do feel is more about who you are with than where.
Finding kindred souls.

I hope to find some too, with my involvement in holistic therapies and such, which has only just began.
But it won't happen overnight.
I guess I just get a little impatient. ;)


And that's wonderful you got to meet David.
I'll tell you something really funny.
I think I'm in love with him! :D

:p

ThankYou LISL..I just read your lovely reply. Yes, we have to make our homes sometimes where our hearts' are not. That makes it all the more challenging to create intimate friendships. i have learnt not to trust Americans to quickly. Ihave learnt that Bon Homie is only skin deep.
I work from home so my isolation goes deeper. We are after all social animals.
Take Care. I am trying to track down Alex Jones' , Endgame right now and give that a couple of hours.
Yours in Empathy and love,..lizzy

[chandrakavi]

WORRY
W. WITHOUT
O. ON
R. REAL
R. REALITY
Y for YOUr yearning


DOUBTS

D. DIVISION
O. OF
U. UNITY
B. BINDS
T. TRUE
S. SORROWS

[celtic isis]

hey all :) i think i already posted onthis thread i can't be arsed to look lol :D

hope you're feeling better lostinstrangeworld :)

was thinking about this the last few days...basically i think i'm going to have to bite my tongue when it comes to what's left of my family now (except my dad and my aunt) cause all the rest are conditioned sheeple to the core...this includes my friends also...i just cannot relate to any of them anymore...my cousins too...they just all have their heads in the sand, it's just too much for me to handle! talking to them i think i could just about explode my head lol :D:mad::eek:

omg...if i couldn't come on here with you fine people (most of ;)) i don't know what i'd do! thank the ONE for my OH too who brought me into all this in the first place and who is with me on this journey...otherwise i'd surely go nuts!

omg my dad is into icke now cause i gave him tales from the time loop to read...so that's brilliant...dad said he'd give it to my brother and my brother took a leaf through it and said he didn't want it. You little fooker anyway! that's right you just stick to being the brainwashed sheeple soldier that you are then. ( i should explain i've had plenty of falling outs with my brother for being a bastard to me for no reason which is why i talk about him like this now!) he married a "woman" who gave him a personality labotomy lol...but yeah i feel really sad that i'm having to really just ignore them all now cause they just won't stick up for anything...they're too busy, my other brother said you should just use the net to make money for yourself and screw everyone else cause we can't stop it anyway, even if it is true...jesus, we're all busy lol that's no excuse! it's just downright selfish is what it is!

omg :eek: get me out of here! lol

sorry no positive comments of love and it'll be ok from me today lol :D

i'm premenstrual...

[lizzy]

hey all :) i think i already posted onthis thread i can't be arsed to look lol :D

hope you're feeling better lostinstrangeworld :)

was thinking about this the last few days...basically i think i'm going to have to bite my tongue when it comes to what's left of my family now (except my dad and my aunt) cause all the rest are conditioned sheeple to the core...this includes my friends also...i just cannot relate to any of them anymore...my cousins too...they just all have their heads in the sand, it's just too much for me to handle! talking to them i think i could just about explode my head lol :D:mad::eek:

omg...if i couldn't come on here with you fine people (most of ;)) i don't know what i'd do! thank the ONE for my OH too who brought me into all this in the first place and who is with me on this journey...otherwise i'd surely go nuts!

omg my dad is into icke now cause i gave him tales from the time loop to read...so that's brilliant...dad said he'd give it to my brother and my brother took a leaf through it and said he didn't want it. You little fooker anyway! that's right you just stick to being the brainwashed sheeple soldier that you are then. ( i should explain i've had plenty of falling outs with my brother for being a bastard to me for no reason which is why i talk about him like this now!) he married a "woman" who gave him a personality labotomy lol...but yeah i feel really sad that i'm having to really just ignore them all now cause they just won't stick up for anything...they're too busy, my other brother said you should just use the net to make money for yourself and screw everyone else cause we can't stop it anyway, even if it is true...jesus, we're all busy lol that's no excuse! it's just downright selfish is what it is!

omg :eek: get me out of here! lol

sorry no positive comments of love and it'll be ok from me today lol :D

i'm premenstrual...
I understand. I have a similar thing going. This is quick post. love, lizzy

[freedomnonfighter]

was thinking about this the last few days...basically i think i'm going to have to bite my tongue when it comes to what's left of my family now (except my dad and my aunt) cause all the rest are conditioned sheeple to the core...this includes my friends also...i just cannot relate to any of them anymore...my cousins too...they just all have their heads in the sand, it's just too much for me to handle! talking to them i think i could just about explode my head lol :D:mad::eek:

Ahh, I'm going through quite a similar process as well. I haven't spoken to my dad since the end of June (my birthday, ironically). I just can't stand it anymore... interacting with him is like playing that arcade game where you smash the weasels with a hammer... cuz you know what he's going to say and what hole it's going to come out of... lol. Aggh. I want to want to see him... but I just don't... he's not really his own person at all, so he has nothing to offer in terms of being his own self. He's the most brainwashed person I know. He wants to nuke the entire middle east. Wtf? :eek::rolleyes::confused: Enough is enough and has been enough for me.. :o

[celtic isis]

I understand. I have a similar thing going. This is quick post. love, lizzy

hehe :D

that alone cheered me up!

cheers lizzy love to you too :)

[celtic isis]

Ahh, I'm going through quite a similar process as well. I haven't spoken to my dad since the end of June (my birthday, ironically). I just can't stand it anymore... interacting with him is like playing that arcade game where you smash the weasels with a hammer... cuz you know what he's going to say and what hole it's going to come out of... lol. Aggh. I want to want to see him... but I just don't... he's not really his own person at all, so he has nothing to offer in terms of being his own self. He's the most brainwashed person I know. He wants to nuke the entire middle east. Wtf? :eek::rolleyes::confused: Enough is enough and has been enough for me.. :o

oh no :eek:

hugs to you freedomnonfighter :)

i know, i'm lucky with my dad, quarter sheeple minded/ 3 quarters open minded, i don't mean that in a bad way for my poor dad but he follows a bit just to not stick out like a sore thumb, he knew all about the NWO etc though from years ago...but at least i can talk to him about it.

You poor thing, it's hard isn't it, i have the same probs with my bros and with really the whole rest of the family lol.

I guess my advice to you would be to see your dad, he's your dad after all...i still try and keep talking with my brothers but it's really like gut wrenchingly frustrating lol :mad::D

I guess we all have to stick together on places like this, and find people in life we can relate to and understand what's really going on in the world and how things got to be like this.

Otherwise it can feel like you're the only one awake in a place full of sleepwalkers!

I guess your dad would never consider reading an icke book? I wasn't expecting my dad to love the one i gave him but he did and wants more! While the rest...well you know :rolleyes:

we have to keep on trucking don't we, i feel better you guys understand!

[lostinstrangeworld]

Hey all! :)

Why don't we set up our own village somewhere?

What do you think?

We could party all the time too.

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/love.gif

[lizzy]

Hey all! :)

Why don't we set up our own village somewhere?

What do you think?

We could party all the time too.

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/love.gif

great idea....can we start by picking a country?
love, lizzy

[freedomnonfighter]

"People will do anything, no matter how absurd, to stop from facing their souls."
-Carl G Jung

oh no :eek:

hugs to you freedomnonfighter :)

i know, i'm lucky with my dad, quarter sheeple minded/ 3 quarters open minded, i don't mean that in a bad way for my poor dad but he follows a bit just to not stick out like a sore thumb, he knew all about the NWO etc though from years ago...but at least i can talk to him about it.

You poor thing, it's hard isn't it, i have the same probs with my bros and with really the whole rest of the family lol.

I guess my advice to you would be to see your dad, he's your dad after all...i still try and keep talking with my brothers but it's really like gut wrenchingly frustrating lol :mad::D

I guess we all have to stick together on places like this, and find people in life we can relate to and understand what's really going on in the world and how things got to be like this.

Otherwise it can feel like you're the only one awake in a place full of sleepwalkers!

I guess your dad would never consider reading an icke book? I wasn't expecting my dad to love the one i gave him but he did and wants more! While the rest...well you know :rolleyes:

we have to keep on trucking don't we, i feel better you guys understand!

Hugs to you as well :D

Meh. I gave my dad Alice in Wonderland and the WTC Disaster... spent 30 bucks on a copy just for him. Did he read it? Of course not. He glanced at it, read the back.. and then laughed and told me not to believe everything I read and that 'these people just do this for money'. He then proceeded to repeat, as he is nothing but a repeater in the purest sense, that "the towers collapsed due to pancaking." Laughable, really. I said "straight down, at freefall speed? you really believe that?" "Well, it's true!" blahblah.

Since then I've had a few "discussions" with him about 9/11 & the like.. and it always ends up with me just sitting there quietly, smiling, because I know it's useless.

I've also given him a book on Indigos, and told him that reading that would help him in understanding me and 'my views' - but he can't be bothered apparently.

He's made millions selling big pharma for Smith Kline and retired at 50. He'll do anything possible to "keep" everything he has - from his conditioned beliefs to his moneys.

It blows my mind to see such older people with no concept whatsoever of Impermanence.


I guess my advice to you would be to see your dad, he's your dad after all...

I dunno.. cuz I'm increasingly becoming detached from this grande idea of "Family" - so, my mom and dad had sex and produced the body that "I" inhabited/inhabit - what's that got to do with my being bound to these people?

I honestly have no desire to see 'my father' at all. He has no respect for "free-thinking" / open-mindedness (as it threatens his ego) or individuality in any sense. He thinks everybody should go to school, go to college, not drink or do any drugs (even though he sold the worst kinds), have short hair, work work work work and work some more, yadda yadda yadda.

He has what I call the "System Perpetuator" mentality - the biggest I can imagine.

My seeing him only works when I pretend to care about all the crap that spews out of his mouth - and I'm done pretending to be something, let alone something I'm not. He can't accept me for who I am, he's always trying to change me into another version of him... so no thanks. :)

You just can't talk to him at all. Like I said earlier, he's not his own person in the slightest - completely vacant and empty.

But oh well, I chose all this as to learn, and that's what I'm doing :)

Lessons on the Crazy Planet ;)

[scar]

^ I feel ya.

i cant seem to stand normal conversation with people anymore. nothing seems to interest me, not to sound snobish, but I just don't know what to say to them ya know? It's like my mind is totally on a differnt plane. i guess i've always been like that, but ever since i've "awakened" it's gotten worse. i just wish i could find a way to not feel like an asshole to people for ignoring them heh.

bleeeh

[celtic isis]

great idea....can we start by picking a country?
love, lizzy

hehe yep kool idea, and lizzy can chill out cause she's always flying around the place :)

[celtic isis]

"People will do anything, no matter how absurd, to stop from facing their souls."
-Carl G Jung



Hugs to you as well :D

Meh. I gave my dad Alice in Wonderland and the WTC Disaster... spent 30 bucks on a copy just for him. Did he read it? Of course not. He glanced at it, read the back.. and then laughed and told me not to believe everything I read and that 'these people just do this for money'. He then proceeded to repeat, as he is nothing but a repeater in the purest sense, that "the towers collapsed due to pancaking." Laughable, really. I said "straight down, at freefall speed? you really believe that?" "Well, it's true!" blahblah.

Since then I've had a few "discussions" with him about 9/11 & the like.. and it always ends up with me just sitting there quietly, smiling, because I know it's useless.

I've also given him a book on Indigos, and told him that reading that would help him in understanding me and 'my views' - but he can't be bothered apparently.

He's made millions selling big pharma for Smith Kline and retired at 50. He'll do anything possible to "keep" everything he has - from his conditioned beliefs to his moneys.
It blows my mind to see such older people with no concept whatsoever of Impermanence.



I dunno.. cuz I'm increasingly becoming detached from this grande idea of "Family" - so, my mom and dad had sex and produced the body that "I" inhabited/inhabit - what's that got to do with my being bound to these people?

I honestly have no desire to see 'my father' at all. He has no respect for "free-thinking" / open-mindedness (as it threatens his ego) or individuality in any sense. He thinks everybody should go to school, go to college, not drink or do any drugs (even though he sold the worst kinds), have short hair, work work work work and work some more, yadda yadda yadda.

He has what I call the "System Perpetuator" mentality - the biggest I can imagine.

My seeing him only works when I pretend to care about all the crap that spews out of his mouth - and I'm done pretending to be something, let alone something I'm not. He can't accept me for who I am, he's always trying to change me into another version of him... so no thanks. :)

You just can't talk to him at all. Like I said earlier, he's not his own person in the slightest - completely vacant and empty.
But oh well, I chose all this as to learn, and that's what I'm doing :)

Lessons on the Crazy Planet ;)

what a fantastic post freedomnonfighter! :)

hehe i did losts of highlighting...well your dad sounds like both my brothers to be honest...i know it's so disappointing and like it makes you lose all your passion just being around people like that...

My dad is moving back to a village (since losing my mother last year) and well, this village is basically made up completely of people like that - people who run to block the prison gate everything someone finds a way out...i was one of those people...:)

it fills me with dread him going back there but he wants to, it's his home and he needs it to move on now that he's alone. But at least my dad is open to what is really going on with the world and that it is nowhere near to how it's portrayed to be.

Ah, it does make me feel sad to think of your dad like this with you, it's the same with me and my brothers but it's different when it's your dad.

Well, to me you sound like a fantastic person, you know your own mind, and what you want to experience here, i say stuff everyone else! I'm doing the same now. It's the only way of keeping sanity!

We're all here to live our own lives,and well hey, you're on the "special" journey here that all of us awakened ones lol are on. I know though it is so hard, i go up and down all the while with it!

You know what, NWO or not, i can't wait until the day i can say "I-TOLD-YOU-SO" :)

Those sweet 4 words...even if i'm being carried away to a bloody labour camp lol at least i'll be able to say it, and that i tried, even in a little way like we all do to stop it.

Yeah, maybe give your dad a miss if it doesn't make things too hard for you freedomnonfighter, i mean, now i've lost my mam (who was with me on all this) i see now family is more important, and when you lose them, they're really gone, but, if they spoil your life, and make you unhappy by judging you etc and not respecting you most importantly, then SCREW THEM.

:)

infinite love to you my friend.

[freespark]

What an awsome post! Hi missy. :)

[celtic isis]

What an awsome post! Hi missy. :)

hahaha you even posted! ;):D

hi sparky :D thank you tonnes my friend ;)

xxx

[seanx]

Celtic isle wrote
You know what, NWO or not, i can't wait until the day i can say "I-TOLD-YOU-SO"

Those sweet 4 words...even if i'm being carried away to a bloody labour camp lol at least i'll be able to say it, and that i tried, even in a little way like we all do to stop it. Absolutely hilarious!!

Best thing I read all day.

And that was a mighty post, freedomfrighter.

I just wonder, from your father's view-point - his terror might
come from his fear that if you take away the successful, rich,
businessman ( which are all great achievements) reality
or self-image he has of himself - he may feel he is nothing.
Worthless.

You'd be surprised.

Remember reading recently of a very successful Irish businessman
- and this guy made millions from retailing - but with remarkable
honesty, he said he dreaded losing all his success/momey- because,
without it be believed, he was worthless - and no-one would bother
with him.

Beneath all the bravado - and outer image of success, he felt
'not good enough'

He clung to this way of life ( and attacked anybody who threatened it)
- because- without it - he felt he'd be an ordinary nobody.

A lot of the resistance to your ideas may come from that.

it may be a possibility.

[lizzy]

hehe yep kool idea, and lizzy can chill out cause she's always flying around the place :)
hi celtic isis.........your right i sure do.......it has been so very interesting seeing the diversity here. Sometimes frustrating, when I joined recently I thought i would find just those who believed in David but that has'nt been the case but have found far more positive and engaging posts and links to persue and well worth it.
love,lizzy

[freedomnonfighter]

what a fantastic post freedomnonfighter! :)

hehe i did losts of highlighting...well your dad sounds like both my brothers to be honest...i know it's so disappointing and like it makes you lose all your passion just being around people like that...

My dad is moving back to a village (since losing my mother last year) and well, this village is basically made up completely of people like that - people who run to block the prison gate everything someone finds a way out...i was one of those people...:)

it fills me with dread him going back there but he wants to, it's his home and he needs it to move on now that he's alone. But at least my dad is open to what is really going on with the world and that it is nowhere near to how it's portrayed to be.

Ah, it does make me feel sad to think of your dad like this with you, it's the same with me and my brothers but it's different when it's your dad.

Well, to me you sound like a fantastic person, you know your own mind, and what you want to experience here, i say stuff everyone else! I'm doing the same now. It's the only way of keeping sanity!

We're all here to live our own lives,and well hey, you're on the "special" journey here that all of us awakened ones lol are on. I know though it is so hard, i go up and down all the while with it!

You know what, NWO or not, i can't wait until the day i can say "I-TOLD-YOU-SO" :)

Those sweet 4 words...even if i'm being carried away to a bloody labour camp lol at least i'll be able to say it, and that i tried, even in a little way like we all do to stop it.

Yeah, maybe give your dad a miss if it doesn't make things too hard for you freedomnonfighter, i mean, now i've lost my mam (who was with me on all this) i see now family is more important, and when you lose them, they're really gone, but, if they spoil your life, and make you unhappy by judging you etc and not respecting you most importantly, then SCREW THEM.

:)

infinite love to you my friend.

Yes, being around people like that really can 'suck the life' and energy out of you... weird how that works.

Hehe, I call those days the same, the I told ya so days :p And they are coming soon :)

Those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind ;)

Celtic isle wrote
[/B]Absolutely hilarious!!

Best thing I read all day.

And that was a mighty post, freedomfrighter.

I just wonder, from your father's view-point - his terror might
come from his fear that if you take away the successful, rich,
businessman ( which are all great achievements) reality
or self-image he has of himself - he may feel he is nothing.
Worthless.

You'd be surprised.

Remember reading recently of a very successful Irish businessman
- and this guy made millions from retailing - but with remarkable
honesty, he said he dreaded losing all his success/momey- because,
without it be believed, he was worthless - and no-one would bother
with him.

Beneath all the bravado - and outer image of success, he felt
'not good enough'

He clung to this way of life ( and attacked anybody who threatened it)
- because- without it - he felt he'd be an ordinary nobody.

A lot of the resistance to your ideas may come from that.

it may be a possibility.

Not a possibility, but a reality, as that's one of the main factors determining his "sense of self" - which really, is no sense of self at all.

A sense of worth. As if there is something to compare one to, something external to judge the 'value' of a Being... absurd.

I know the reasons:
why he is the way he is
why he thinks he is the way he is
what he values in life and why
what how and why he thinks what he thinks
many reasons for all the pain that he covers up with his system "success"
etc etc

But I can't just outright tell him these things, y'know?

It's like he has a truth block / filter in his mind, hence the Carl Jung quote I posted previously.

I've tried to help him with all this because I love him... but what is one to do when help is warded off everytime it is tried to be given?? This is my dilemma.

Even growing up as a kid I knew he was vain. But I was just a kid, so I still wanted Things and still had fun with him - but it was always at a superficial level, and I knew that, but I was okay with it.

He taught me more about being a father than any other father could have, I believe. Honestly. He was a near opposite to a "true" father - and through this he showed me and taught me what to value and hold as important in life and in family. So, round 14 I realized that, and promised myself to be a better father than the one I had... so for everything I am grateful.

Often we learn the most from 'the hard times' :)

[lateral_v]

hey freedomfighter, my experiance with my "dad" (only found out he was my stepdad when I was 21) was very similiar......Everything your father puts you through along with lotsof heartache, redicule and emotional abuse......all beoz HE believed he was doing the right thing. You gotta realise that most of these people don't have a clue, and the mere thought of any of any of this to be true, probably set alasms off, and scare them shitless. I've gotta tell you though not all hope is lost, my dad(step "I never knew my biological father) is actually to my amazement starting to come around, I' sent him a male in which I challenged his theories and beliefs, showing him video clips confirming alien life and alot of research that I've been doing, and well, for the first time ever he was quiet and let me do all the talking, he is so into research himself that he cannot wait for my visit this holiday.

I know it's hard sometimes, I look at people around me in their tick tock daily whereabouts, and it seems I wanna jump on the roof and start shouting out loud, yet though I know there's no time to waist their is always hope and a time in which the truth will present itself to all. :p

Don't for one minute feel inadequate about any of this, embrace it, this is what makes you a messenger of light.....:)

And that is a blessing

xxxxx

[celtic isis]

hi celtic isis.........your right i sure do.......it has been so very interesting seeing the diversity here. Sometimes frustrating, when I joined recently I thought i would find just those who believed in David but that has'nt been the case but have found far more positive and engaging posts and links to persue and well worth it.
love,lizzy


hahaha that's what i thought too when i first joined! :D

[celtic isis]

Celtic isle wrote
[/B]Absolutely hilarious!!

Best thing I read all day.

And that was a mighty post, freedomfrighter.

I just wonder, from your father's view-point - his terror might
come from his fear that if you take away the successful, rich,
businessman ( which are all great achievements) reality
or self-image he has of himself - he may feel he is nothing.
Worthless.

You'd be surprised.

Remember reading recently of a very successful Irish businessman
- and this guy made millions from retailing - but with remarkable
honesty, he said he dreaded losing all his success/momey- because,
without it be believed, he was worthless - and no-one would bother
with him.

Beneath all the bravado - and outer image of success, he felt
'not good enough'

He clung to this way of life ( and attacked anybody who threatened it)
- because- without it - he felt he'd be an ordinary nobody.

A lot of the resistance to your ideas may come from that.

it may be a possibility.

:D sweet words is right!

and what an insightful post too, seanx, you're not a psychologist are you? i tell ya you'd make a bloody good one!

Isn't it sad that people need success and money, status etc to feel important, and give them their purpose in life? Jeez i don't feel like that now, i love me lol i want to be successful of course but that doesn't dictate who i am...

hehe i've put on a bit of weight lol i'm now called celtic isle :D

so funny!

[celtic isis]

hey freedomfighter, my experiance with my "dad" (only found out he was my stepdad when I was 21) was very similiar......Everything your father puts you through along with lotsof heartache, redicule and emotional abuse......all beoz HE believed he was doing the right thing. You gotta realise that most of these people don't have a clue, and the mere thought of any of any of this to be true, probably set alasms off, and scare them shitless. I've gotta tell you though not all hope is lost, my dad(step "I never knew my biological father) is actually to my amazement starting to come around, I' sent him a male in which I challenged his theories and beliefs, showing him video clips confirming alien life and alot of research that I've been doing, and well, for the first time ever he was quiet and let me do all the talking, he is so into research himself that he cannot wait for my visit this holiday.

I know it's hard sometimes, I look at people around me in their tick tock daily whereabouts, and it seems I wanna jump on the roof and start shouting out loud, yet though I know there's no time to waist their is always hope and a time in which the truth will present itself to all. :p

Don't for one minute feel inadequate about any of this, embrace it, this is what makes you a messenger of light.....:)

And that is a blessing

xxxxx

omg so beautiful, funny, true! :) wise wise wise words lateral_v :) it sure gives me hope what you said!

[shane]

Oh I was lonely at first, boy was I lonely.... The ONLY thing that keeps you going and keeps you sane is a sense of humour.

I've got some nice friends who I have a real laugh with, they don't know a lot of the stuff that I do, but they know where I stand on current affairs and they respect it.

I quote Bill Hicks alot, if you can make people laugh you can make them think

[lostinstrangeworld]

Welcome!

[seanx]

hehe i've put on a bit of weight lol i'm now called celtic isle

To Celtic 'Isis'!

I wrote it midweek- just before the Celtic Football game.

My mind must have been elsewhere!

For us Irish posters, you'll always be Celtic Isis!

[popeye11]

It is extremely helpful to come on sites like this and see that you are not totally alone. My whole family rejected me. I still love my kids, but they see me as eccentric at best. I have gotten so I don't care to be around people much, have given up on my old friends because I get so tired and bored of hearing the same old BS and if I bring up something that I know or am interested in, I am looked at as if I have lost my mind. I live in a place where thinking for oneself is not acceptable at all and since I don't have the charisma of some, I just have to try not to get tarred and feathered. The things that help me are a sense of humor, meditation, nature, (what's left of it here) studies of this sort and reading & a few hobbies.

I'm with you, for what it's worth,

Popeye

[celtic isis]

Oh I was lonely at first, boy was I lonely.... The ONLY thing that keeps you going and keeps you sane is a sense of humour.

I've got some nice friends who I have a real laugh with, they don't know a lot of the stuff that I do, but they know where I stand on current affairs and they respect it.

I quote Bill Hicks alot, if you can make people laugh you can make them think

that's a good point shane :)


you're right, ity's really important to keep a sense of humour...i do laugh about this stuff and just the craziness that people can't see what's going on right under their noses...it's just the reaction of sheeple i find it hard to swallow lol cause i take it to heart...but after i laugh about it :D

It shows though on this forum i think, we all have a laugh about stuff and it's better not to get bogged down with arguing amongst eachother...took me awhile to get this but i hope i have now :o

this is our haven, and who knows how long we'll have it for.

[celtic isis]

It is extremely helpful to come on sites like this and see that you are not totally alone. My whole family rejected me. I still love my kids, but they see me as eccentric at best. I have gotten so I don't care to be around people much, have given up on my old friends because I get so tired and bored of hearing the same old BS and if I bring up something that I know or am interested in, I am looked at as if I have lost my mind. I live in a place where thinking for oneself is not acceptable at all and since I don't have the charisma of some, I just have to try not to get tarred and feathered. The things that help me are a sense of humor, meditation, nature, (what's left of it here) studies of this sort and reading & a few hobbies.

I'm with you, for what it's worth,

Popeye

aww what a lovely message popeye :)

this truth seeking path is not an easy one is it, i hope it is rewarding for you in other ways, particularly in your interests you mentioned above. :)

It's hard though when living in a place where people are like sheep, i used to live in a little village and it was like that, what a hell lol. You do what makes you happy and don't give a toss what others think; if they care about what you do or say it's only cause they have nothing better to do themselves and they're not at a level to understand, they're just conditioned into ignorance. And it's painful to observe as we all know!

You know you're your own person, you've been blessed and choosen too to find all this stuff out and be put on this path. So many people live their entire lives just thinking there is nothing to do in life but survive, have babies, travel a bit maybe etc etc then one day you die and it's all over...few of them ever bother to search for anything: they just accept everything as it is given in front of them as truth when of course it is anything but and it answers nothing.

When i first found all this stuff out almost 2 years ago now it was just incredible, like i had been living on this planet for 23 years yet nothing was really how i had always accepted and like was secure in the knowledge that that is the way it is...then to find out that we've had much of our heritage taken away from us, where we came from etc and the esoteric truths of nature blocked out, and then the real reason for war for all the suffering of the world, that it is by design and not by sheer accident...well this smilie sums it up :eek: And all the rest that follows as you research more and more.

We all want everyone in on this; cause it's life changing stuff but not in a "doom and gloom" way. I would never change what i know now, what i've learnt and how happy i am now even though i know all of the crap that's been done to humanity, i feel privilaged to know for sure that there is so much more and this is not ALL THERE IS. :)

People think that "conspiracy" stuff (ooh don't you just hate that word) is all doom and gloom but it's not, it's freeing!

Popeye, one day your kids will know you were right. Everyone will know. Until then i hope that people who share your interests and views will drift into your life and of course you have us all here too. :) And be secure in the knowledge that you are not the one who is insane, the ones who look at you as if you're insane ARE!

infinite love and respect to you :)

[lostinstrangeworld]

Most people are lonely, even within families and among a crowd, because they leave behind their real self to act out the fake self, the face they put to the world because the world demands it. This fake self can become so powerful as our alter-persona that most people, not least because of insecurity, even demand of it themselves.

:)

[rossus]

:)
who said that sentence you quoted?
i tried to find, but couldn't.

can someone perhaps link me to the original post in a private message,
because tomorrow i'll probably forget about this thread.




back ontopic:

i don't feel lonely, ever.
i don't need anyone but myself.
i am love. :)

[popeye11]

You guys/gals are as nice as can be. I appreciate it more than you know. It is late here so I don't have a lot to say right now, but I wanted to get this post to you.

Wishing you the best,

Popeye

[freedomnonfighter]

who said that sentence you quoted?
i tried to find, but couldn't.

can someone perhaps link me to the original post in a private message,
because tomorrow i'll probably forget about this thread.


That was in Icke's newest newsletter :)

[lostinstrangeworld]

That was in Icke's newest newsletter :)

Yeah, I know....wonderful words.....I hope it's ok to share them?

[equinox]

Hi all,
Yeah i can relate to alot of this alienation stuff, at the moment I am unemployed, which I am quite happy about.

A few months ago I left the call centre where I was working with work related stress. It was really alienating being surrounded by such unconciousness every day.

Now I know the right job wil come along, and I am happy to wait, I feel like I have finally let go of the need for success - in the conventional way that they continually push onto us.

I have few friends, no girlfriend, I go to AA 4 times a week, and some of the people there are very open minded, I can talk about this stuff to them, some of it anyway.

Although they don't seem to agree with it, it's nice to know that there are people who are open minded enoughto listen, and at least respect others opinions.

At the moment I have had this flu thing thats been around, although I realise that it may be part of my awakening. I hope so.

I just take each day as it comes, I don't worry about the future.

I can't be bothered to 'go out there' and socialise at all. I don't see any point in mixing with people I have nothing in common with.

It's great to read others experiences too.

Wishing you all all the best on your journeys!!

May the source be with you!

[thorleyart]

I've had a curiosity for knowledge since i was born, 27 now. Always reading some weird book or another, great thing is my brother who is three years older than me is the same, so i've always got someone to talk to about stuff, I got into David Icke about a year or two after 9/11, i read his book about it, totally blew my head off....

There's a few others in the circle of friends who know about this stuff, then i've got other friends that i've given up talking to about this stuff long ago.

I got into the whole creating your own reality stuff, with Abraham hicks, just recently i've been looking into the mayan calander and 2012, I think there's some good stuff on the horizon, Have a look at ian lungolds presentations on google video...

lostinstrangeworld you have good taste in music! and you're cute too..

[thorleyart]

I left a bunch of conspiracy DVDs that I got from Fantana in Glastonbury in the table in the living room....my Mam calls me and asks me what type of films are these? I said "They're true story films, you'll like them!".....so she puts on Terrorstorm! AHHAHA

She watched it all last night....and she agrees with it all! :D

That's hilarious, well done!

[thorleyart]

'Please God, heal my perception, so that I may percieve only truth'

Lonelness? yeah sometimes, I just feel really, really tired of things being as they are... It wears you down, you've got to follow your heart though, and do what you want to do, go after what you want in life, no matter what..

I would recommend downloading some abraham hicks material :)

www.abraham-hicks.com

[holly_ocean]

there was something Terence Mckenna said that went something like this 'When the truth is explained in a way that it can be understood it will be believed.'

The more we link up the clearer our understanding will be be, the more effectively we can explain it and eventually it will be believed - breaking through conditioning - including our own - is one of the hardest things we do.

[celtic isis]

You guys/gals are as nice as can be. I appreciate it more than you know. It is late here so I don't have a lot to say right now, but I wanted to get this post to you.

Wishing you the best,

Popeye

:) thank you popeye

xx

[hevlina]

I have only just joined this site but have followed David Icke since he started.
I also feel lonely with the knowledge I have gained over the years. Recently I seem to be withdrawing more and more as I find it hard to deal with society and the sheep mentality.
I long to meet people that are 'awake' and really care about what is happening to the world. I am just pulling myself out of a depression and have such a strong urge to surrond myself with like minded people, I want to be involved and make a difference. I want to talk and discuss matters that are important to me and unfortunately i have the 'small town experience' and when in the past i have tried to talk about these issues to friends and family i have been ridiculed and dismissed as 'losing it' ! I have kept quiet for a couple of years and tried to conform to the system but I began to feel like my spirit was dying, whilst watching everything David Icke had said coming to the fore.
Finding this site has been a great blessing and would so like to actively get involved in some way. Any ideas anyone???

Oh by the way i live in South East England

[ichi wa zen]

I dont feel lonely for i have found this forum and know there are more who know The Truth :D

I am a "buddhist" and meditate daily, i already knew about "The Universal Matrix" and found Infinite Love. This alone makes me very content.

Then i found out about this "Little Matrix" here on Earth. I cried. Many tears. Not for myself, but for all those people that are just living their lives to their best ability not knowing what destiny possibly awaits them (possibly, we will take control of our own destiny im sure and stop "them"!).

I have promised myself for every single tear ive shed i will awake a person, so basically i have to awaken 204.933 people ;) This is a promise i have made to myself!

Dont feel lonely, there are more who know and only more people will start to know. Slowly but surely there will be a time where everyone is wide awake and we end this SHIT :D Just remember that you are a special person to already be awake, we need to stop whining and set the chain of awakening in motion!

Just believe in Love!

[the infinite one]

lostinstrangeworld

Don't worry! I feel like the same as you do! When I got into this stuff I couldn't believe what was going on, but something inside of me was saying this info makes alot of sense.

At times I feel like there's a war with my ego and heart and the mind never shuts the hell up.

It will all work out in the "end".

If you ever need a chat, you can PM or email me.

with infinite love,

Narinder

[kweli]

Hi all,
Yeah i can relate to alot of this alienation stuff, at the moment I am unemployed, which I am quite happy about.

A few months ago I left the call centre where I was working with work related stress. It was really alienating being surrounded by such unconciousness every day.

Now I know the right job wil come along, and I am happy to wait, I feel like I have finally let go of the need for success - in the conventional way that they continually push onto us.

I have few friends, no girlfriend, I go to AA 4 times a week, and some of the people there are very open minded, I can talk about this stuff to them, some of it anyway.

Although they don't seem to agree with it, it's nice to know that there are people who are open minded enoughto listen, and at least respect others opinions.

At the moment I have had this flu thing thats been around, although I realise that it may be part of my awakening. I hope so.

I just take each day as it comes, I don't worry about the future.

I can't be bothered to 'go out there' and socialise at all. I don't see any point in mixing with people I have nothing in common with.

It's great to read others experiences too.

Wishing you all all the best on your journeys!!

May the source be with you!

Hello,

If you're not already really into the AA 'PROGRAM' then you may find some useful stuff via this link: http://www.aadeprogramming.org/reclaim/index_content_reclaim.html

[helloperator]

I think I'm a free thinker, but really I'm far from a free thinker

[angeldust]

Hey all, i thought it was just my husband and i that felt like this (how silly) now i have come to realise that it's not and i'm so glad that we joined this forum. It's so good to be connected to so many like minded people!! :D:)

[siscid]

LOL! A few days ago I was just thinking:

"Man.. I feel really lonely as a free thinker. I really hope someone else feels like this." (Not exact words but whatever.) Then I come across this thread! Woohoo!

I have to say I feel exactly the same. Its the whole "Outside looking in" Feeling when you see so much unconsciousness circulating around your life. But all I can say is to stay strong! Keep going on your path and don't worry what other people think. (It's SO easy to say that but IMO I believe it to be one of the many truths that will help you:)). Also just keep working on yourself and gaining more awareness in your life in all the areas you can, you will eventually attract the people in that match to you. :)

[neil]

Your asking the question about being lonely shows how far you've journeyed already. Many people never get to the point of reflecting on their position, let alone questioning it.

For what it's worth, from my experience of coming to understand and appreciate my free-thinking self and my difference from others, even if you're feeling isolated, it's important to be thoughtful in your responses to situations and not to treat people 'out there' as the unreachable other in opposition to your questioning or enlightened self. We're all journeying together, albeit at a different pace from one another.

It's never easy positioning yourself in opposition to the accepted view of things. I sometimes feel browbeaten when talking with others, even though I'm an outgoing, naturally talkative person. For example, I was drawn into an argument at work the other day with some otherwise interesting and engaged colleagues who ridiculed - rather too aggressively, I thought - my suggestion that climate change caused solely by humans is not yet proved and that previous temperature highs many thousands of years ago were achieved without carbon from fossil fuels, etc.

People faced with uncertainty will generally take the path of least social resistance and will often try to belittle those with different views. It's not pleasant facing surprise, ridicule and sometimes contempt just for questioning the accepted world view promoted through media. But keep listening to your heart and trust in your intuition.

[celtic isis]

Hey all, i thought it was just my husband and i that felt like this (how silly) now i have come to realise that it's not and i'm so glad that we joined this forum. It's so good to be connected to so many like minded people!! :D:)

welcome angeldust :)

and to everyone who has posted recently on this thread, you've all been choosen you know. (Or you have choosen it without being aware of it).

It's really special to have this awakening process...so many people are wandering around, they can't make head nor tail of the world. I've been on this journey for 2 years now, i was only 23 when i found out and well it was a SHOCK! And led to tonnes of mad research after...now i'm in a place where i understand the world now, both the wonders of nature and consciousness, infinite possibility is this world of ours and also the cruel system engineered by the elite, for the elite and to the elite's dream ending of a NWO.

As i was reading in icke's new book last night once you being to look at the world from a different angle, everything that once confused you finally makes sense and fits together just naturally! It's true, but you can't really know about this angle until you stumble on a book or whatever that shows you it, an turns everything you ever thought was concrete upside down and inside out.

Don't worry anyone feeling nuts sometimes, and like your ead's goign to explode with all this rush of info etc, changes within yourself too that this all brings. We've all been there, it's worth it in the end cause you do actually feel your brain working more, it's like being more alive...i can't explain it but i've never be so passionate in all my life since i found all this out!



It is hard being awake when most of the population around - our brothers and sisters, parents, friends, collegues etc are all in their ignorant slumber...they haven't been choosen to wake up, it's not their time...you have been choosen, it's a pain in the arse and a gift/blessing at the same time, i wouldn't change it though. :)

take care everyone and best of luck on your individual journeys of discovery. :) We're all in it together :)

[celtic isis]

LOL! A few days ago I was just thinking:

"Man.. I feel really lonely as a free thinker. I really hope someone else feels like this." (Not exact words but whatever.) Then I come across this thread! Woohoo!

I have to say I feel exactly the same. Its the whole "Outside looking in" Feeling when you see so much unconsciousness circulating around your life. But all I can say is to stay strong! Keep going on your path and don't worry what other people think. (It's SO easy to say that but IMO I believe it to be one of the many truths that will help you:)). Also just keep working on yourself and gaining more awareness in your life in all the areas you can, you will eventually attract the people in that match to you. :)

well said beautiful post siscid :) you're exactly right, KEEP STRONG!

[celtic isis]

Your asking the question about being lonely shows how far you've journeyed already. Many people never get to the point of reflecting on their position, let alone questioning it.

For what it's worth, from my experience of coming to understand and appreciate my free-thinking self and my difference from others, even if you're feeling isolated, it's important to be thoughtful in your responses to situations and not to treat people 'out there' as the unreachable other in opposition to your questioning or enlightened self. We're all journeying together, albeit at a different pace from one another.

It's never easy positioning yourself in opposition to the accepted view of things. I sometimes feel browbeaten when talking with others, even though I'm an outgoing, naturally talkative person. For example, I was drawn into an argument at work the other day with some otherwise interesting and engaged colleagues who ridiculed - rather too aggressively, I thought - my suggestion that climate change caused solely by humans is not yet proved and that previous temperature highs many thousands of years ago were achieved without carbon from fossil fuels, etc.

People faced with uncertainty will generally take the path of least social resistance and will often try to belittle those with different views. It's not pleasant facing surprise, ridicule and sometimes contempt just for questioning the accepted world view promoted through media. But keep listening to your heart and trust in your intuition.

great post neil, god what you said to your colleagues wasn't exactly controversial and they react like that!

it is soooooo frustrating :(

You've got the right attitude/insight though so don't let it bother you.

We are all awakening at different paces but those of us who are already awakened, we, it seems to me anyway, were always people who were more sensitive than others? I don't know i've always felt "different" even when i was a little kid, like a different spark i had or feeling about things...i could never just go through normal daily life without feeling it was part of a more magic bigger picture (sounds silly)...i guess i grew up away from the normal yokel town's folk for the first 7 years of my life, i grew up in the country so was really close to nature...and saw the magic :)

I think some people are just put on earth just to be drones sadly, they would never reach the heights of spiritual enlightenment that we are on our way to attaining.

:p <--- to those people blaaaaaaaahhh stay in your prisons of your own making!

sorry i know that's very childish and 5 sense of me but who cares, sheeple are so annoying. And if they didn't exist, the world would be a better place cause it would only be made up of people who are aware of the bigger picture and not the closed off to everything one.

:D

[siscid]

I don't know i've always felt "different" even when i was a little kid, like a different spark i had or feeling about things...i could never just go through normal daily life without feeling it was part of a more magic bigger picture (sounds silly)

That's OK, your not the only one there :)

[alice1111]

I can truly relate to this thread. I used to love going out and being around people and for about five years or so, I have found myself wanting to just stay home with my dogs. If I dare to say something by accident that doesn't fit into the accepted view of reality, goodness me, look out. I don't consider myself a victim or paranoid, but sometimes I get the feeling this place is trying to kick me out. I was the type that made friends easily and am sometimes now feeling overwhelmed. I will have people actually turning their backs to me when I have said nothing and I think what the heck is going on? So I listen to music and watch some movies that interest me or get into expanding my conciousness. Sometimes I have even tried to go back to being a robot, it was a lot easier that way, but I can't do it because once you know, you know and it cannot ever be the same. No going back, but then would I really want to? NO! However, it can be very lonely.

My heart goes out to you people,

Alice

[alice1111]

Bumping for jp13.

[wolfchild]

I Totaly understand where you are coming from!
a bit like the MATRIX' (The scene where one guy contacted AGENT SMITH' and wanted to be put back into the matrix!)
But your right' there is no going back when you have awoken up and read all david's books and DVD'S (especialy FREEDOM OR FASCISM DVD).
It does get lonely and there has been times where i wished i had never read or come across david icke but'
i was ment to be here'' i have read that there is people who have purposely been born into this time to help break the spell and set mankind free! (I BELIEVE DAVID IS ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE).
Your defo not alone' as you have us who are also going through this with you.
(THIS IS TO WHY YOU ARE ON THIS SITE)
xxxxx:)big hugs & kisses xxxxx:)

[beldazar]

Hi Alice, thankyou for leading me onto this thread, I have ALWAYS felt different, ever since I was a child but I became addicted to cannabis resin and spent over 17 years of my life getting stoned, amongst other drugs but pot was my drug of choice. To break free of this I joined a joined a 12 step spiritual group for 5 years, feeling 'different' was a very common theme there, and also I found that lots of drug addicts also come from a catholic upbringing surprisingly enough, although I am not, am I onto something here? Love to All! xxxxxxx

[alice1111]

Welcome beldazar,

Join the crowd. Feeling different is something that I can certainly identify with. It has been like a feeling of being dropped into a world where I have not felt I belonged.
Naturally it is where I belong for now, I guess, but I am still trying to figure it out. Waking up can feel like being in a lucid dream where you know it isn't real and yet here you are just the same. For me it has NOT been a matter of one day I am a robot and the next day, I am perfectly content. It has been a matter of learning a little more at a time so I don't go into shock, I think. There are many, many differences in opinions here as to what to believe so if some one's belief system does not work for you, then move along because there will certainly be others that think the way you do. This is one of the things I like most about this site is that you are not made to fit into anyone elses dogmas or beliefs. We have the freedom to express and be who we are.

Love,

Alice:)

[alice1111]

Hi Wolfchild,

My sentiments also. Waking up can be very challenging at times, but I would not trade it for anything this world has to offer. It can also be extremely rewarding.
That is a good take on the Matrix. Love that movie!

Love,

Alice

[celtic isis]

hugs to all of you, lovely posts just been reading them :)

i know what you mean alice, particularly about withdrawing from the social scene (it's all BS really)...just cause it's impossible ot have to try and pretend to be a robot just like all the other little robots! i know the feeling! like acting like 'normal', talking about 'normal' things... i guess we all know that feeling! do what makes you happy and what you need to do :)

i'm glad you got over that hard time beldazar good on you and we're happy to have you here now :) i guess that was part of your learning process too...i know i've been through heaps of crap that led me to where i am now, i wouldn't change any of it looking back if i could cause it led me to here. I see the purpose of it all now.

well said wolfchild, i totally identify with your post too :) we all wish this sometimes, that it would be better to just be like the rest of the sheeple, ut it's better to know, as much of a pain it is, it's a blessing too :) our world is too kool now, it has infinite possibility, all all the others are running around lost, they can't make head no tail of things like world events etc whereas, we're all on a higher awareness now, if you're not there yet don't worry (for the newbies) you'll get there really quick!

i better get my non sheeple ass off to bed now, night night and hugs and respect :)

[ronaldl79]

Wow.

I'll have to read this entire thread, but the first page said enough about how I feel as well. I have phases of loneliness, sadness, depression and frustration. Just recently, I confirmed my mom's concerns about my being unhappy with this:

"I am unhappy because I'm saddened by the things I see that most people don't."

It's highly frustrating to be "aware" when most of all people around you are drones. Every year, I try and reach out to people about things I know are untrue, such as race, religion and so on. Instead, I encounter those who wish to tell me who they think I am because of what they've been told all their lives, or how my views are wrong and unfounded.

There's been many times where the thought of suicide sneaked into my conscience, because I know the life that I lead is not popular with the masses. There are periods where I feel completely isolated, unmotivated, etc. It's a drain to be this way, however, I realize I wasn't born to be "normal." My existence has been crying for understanding and an opportunity to be surrounded by those who see the "parallel society" and everything I know is right.

Perhaps being a member of this site is a step toward encountering people like myself.

[emanuel]

Hi Ronaldl79, those negative feelings will pass in time, just understand no two people agree on everything! Not everybody will listen to what you have to say, most wont because they're programmed not to have such awareness. They are progammed to focus on the next blockbuster movie or how many points kobe will get in the next laker game lol

Just count yourself luckly you slipped through the net of control, now just go with the flow.

[celtic isis]

Wow.

I'll have to read this entire thread, but the first page said enough about how I feel as well. I have phases of loneliness, sadness, depression and frustration. Just recently, I confirmed my mom's concerns about my being unhappy with this:

"I am unhappy because I'm saddened by the things I see that most people don't."

It's highly frustrating to be "aware" when most of all people around you are drones. Every year, I try and reach out to people about things I know are untrue, such as race, religion and so on. Instead, I encounter those who wish to tell me who they think I am because of what they've been told all their lives, or how my views are wrong and unfounded.

There's been many times where the thought of suicide sneaked into my conscience, because I know the life that I lead is not popular with the masses. There are periods where I feel completely isolated, unmotivated, etc. It's a drain to be this way, however, I realize I wasn't born to be "normal." My existence has been crying for understanding and an opportunity to be surrounded by those who see the "parallel society" and everything I know is right.

Perhaps being a member of this site is a step toward encountering people like myself.

welcome ronaldl :)

don't worry, we've all felt like that, i still do from time to time...even thoughts of not wanting to be here anymore, really it's true.

i know it's so hard when as you said, most people are just drones. It is SOOO HARD. We're awake and they're all sleepwalking through life, doing normal sheeple things...and they're so damn stubborn/selfish/scared too, they just don't want to know what's really going on.

A book that could help yuo now that you're feeling down and i'd say drained too, cause the awakening process or even just knowing/being aware of all this is so exhausting sometimes (when you have to hide it in daily life at times, i waste no opportunity ti wake people but like you can't do it 24/7 lol) read the book: You Can Be Happy No Matter What by Ricahrd Carlson. Crap title i know...but it is the most beautiful book, a little gem that changed my whole life really, it will help so much i'm sure and i read this book and it led me on to icke who says really the same things as Carlson. Sadly Carlson died a year ago, he was a real messenger sent here to give humanity its tools back, and in a matter of fact way, it's so simply written so airy fair crap.

I hope it helps you, don't put so much pressure on yourself either, humanity has to get itself out of this mess, do you bit in the world but don't kill yourself over it stressing. I'm trying to be kooler now too cause they won't thank you for it you know, humanity is stupid and low.

you're a beautiful human being and we appreciate you being here :) your spirit will get higher, it's worth it in the end.

take care, celtic :)

[celtic isis]

Hi Ronaldl79, those negative feelings will pass in time, just understand no two people agree on everything! Not everybody will listen to what you have to say, most wont because they're programmed not to have such awareness. They are progammed to focus on the next blockbuster movie or how many points kobe will get in the next laker game lol

Just count yourself luckly you slipped through the net of control, now just go with the flow.

well said emanuel, that's exactly it. unfortunately lol

[danster82]

Pretty much the same boat, dont know a single soul whos "on the same level"
I give up caring about going out on nights out and with friends along time ago.
I dont feel attached to people in anyway, in a sense they are already dead to me in that theres never any real communcation happening so to never see someone I have known for years doesnt mean anything to me.

I just play the role they want for the path of least resistance, my personal problem now is learning about this stuff has come to end there is nothing to learn and there is nothing to do either Im not in any pursuit for material gain or status like the majority so im left with this total lack of motivation.

What to do...

[cl2008]

I dont care whether I'm alone or not.

I am not afraid of being unpopular and totally alone!!!

Why? What difference will it make? Who cares what people think of me? When all throughout my life I was the school outcast and family outcast all packed into one big package. :cool:

That is why I state my views and I do not care if I get laughed at or not.

[cytro]

Believe me I know exactly how everyone feels :-( It get's extremely hard sometimes and I even ask myself "Why - Why do I have to know all of this - Can't I just go back to that false reality?" then I get hit w/ loads of things telling me that it's just not meant for me. I accept it. The town I live is a religion based oilfield everybody knows your name type town :-( It's ROUGH!!!!! HaHa I am seriously known as the "weird girl" around here but whatever I don't care. Anyhow you are not alone and you know guys one day we'll all see each other and meet again :-) Love Love Love Love!!!!!!!!!

[enlightenme]

i consider myself a free thinker though only because i am not the norm and dont fit into any so called box. i dont have to have the newest shoes/bag, i dont agree with people just to fit in & my parents still wonder if i'm theirs :)......the list is endless. sure when my transformation begun i was looked strangely at and not understood and sure i felt alittle alienated though i soon joined meditation & yoga groups and was instantly awaken. there were people out there like me! back in the 90's, being 'spiritual' was usually met with 'hippie' comments. no-one has called me that in many years because now is is 'fashionable' to be at one with yourself & the world....go figure

once your at one with yourself you can never be lonely....you dont allow it. your mind and body is your friend and you can trust it 100%. you begin to love life and 'kindered spirits' will find you...just dont look so hard.

if you mean you feel alienated because talk of conspiracy theories makes people cringe....then sites like this can be your outage. some people just dont want to know...thats fine, accept it....move on. it's like religious groups who try and push their beleifs onto you...most people dont like it yeah?....well then its wrong to assume people want to here that 9/11 was a farce for eg.

anyhow, i am sure many people are lonely for many reasons and i pray that they'll find peace. we take family and friends for granted sometimes because we assume they dont understand us, or they dont pay enough attention to us, well you know what...we should prob get a grip and grow up. like Gandi says 'you must be the change you want to see in the world' and this is the phrase i now live by. you are your own existance. :)

[cyberdaemon]

Let me ask you people a question : does it make you a free thinker just because you are talking about supposed conspiracies ?

[freedomnonfighter]

Not everyone here is into so-called conspiracies :)

[wolfchild]

It makes me sad to hear you guys are so cut off from the outside world!
Im a very popular guy and have been all my life.
I do have a presence that people seem to reconize but thats just down to my looks which can be misleading aswell.
The Thing is even though the norm are so programmed it does not mean that you cannot still enjoy your life and go out partying.
I mean this is our planet and we came to this reality to explore it, live it and to play it.
I know its been hijacked from these so called banking elite familys' but fuck them!
You see i can still mix in with the norm as i have awoken and they simply have not!
You can call this an upgrade if you like.
To me i look at life a bit like the MATRIX where neo goes back into the matrix but the rest of the population who see him have no idea the powers that he has or how he can maniuplate the system as he is apart of that system.
It very difficult trying to wake up our familys & friends as i now personly think that i was born of this awareness and COULD be the majority of people are not, i asked questions to my mum for the age 6 so she says' and i've been known all my life as the wierdo in my family.
You guys are so lucky you have this awareness but at the same time its like living in a nightmare as most who have awoken feel so alone as there is no one they can really turn too apart from us on this website & few other sites.
But please dont let this prison you. get out there and party again, it's not other peoples fault they were not born more aware or the people that have are only sheeple because there easy mislead and victims of the elites poisons like flouride & aspartame and brainwashed by the media.
This is your planet and many other souls will enter it through us by giving birth things will change for the better.
If you want to wake people up just hand out DAVID ICKE'S
FREEDOM OR FASCISM'
I tell you i no longer try and speak to people to awaken them.
i have handed this DVD out to 4 people so far and now they are awake and more people are coming forward wanting to be AWOKEN so they say and see the DVD.

:)

[armoured_amazon]

Let me ask you people a question : does it make you a free thinker just because you are talking about supposed conspiracies ?

Sometimes it just means people like conspiracy theories. Or are mentally ill. Or are sent to lead others away from the path. There is so much disinfo, self-importance and confusion in the conspiracy field it is impossible to sort the wheat from the chaff. That will happen in it's own time with no interference from us.

[alice34]

I can't believe I have found this thread today! What timing!

My son, who is 26 and is highly intelligent and a high achiever is, at the moment, the loneliest person on this earth.

He is so desperately down and feels so alone due to knowing what he knows and not having anyone he can converse with, that two nights ago he left home and I haven't seen him since. I am desperately worried!

He has text me, but says that he is no more alone now than he was at home, as none of us understand. I have tried to understand and I do listen, but obviously not enough.

I'm sure I could convince my son to come home if he had someone he could talk to who understands.

We are based in the South East of England. Are there any group meetings? Or is there anyone from here in or around our area.

I'm desperately worried that he may do something silly.

I would love to hear from like-minded people that I could put him in touch with.

Hey worried, I havent read this entire thread, but I think the aloneness that comes from the awakening is very real, but is not necessarily something that cannot be coped with.

Many years ago I went through a similar shakey period , and the best anti-dote to help with that alienation, is to connect with others who are also going through it or have gone through it.

I think it's pretty amazing you've found your way to this board, and in essence it's actually something he may need to do himself- not necessarily this board, but just to interact with others on the same trip.

I think the moment you reach out and connect with others it takes alot of the weight off, because you cannot help but see you have company - even if it's through a little web board.

I remember joining a local peace group many years ago, and it was a massive step for me to go from sitting infront of my pc, being ignored or not understood by 99% of the people around me, to suddenly walking into an environment that truly understood.

Suddenly my feelings were not just something I had to struggle with alone.

To me it sounds like your son may need to do something like this.

I think its admirable that as a parent you are making the effort to understand what your son is looking at. Most parents dont, or turn a blind eye in my experience. I gave up talkling to my parents about all this along time ago.

Thanks for having the empathy to do so for your son. I'd take a little heart in that.

Peace and good luck

x frog :):):)

[kingdavid]

im in the same boat ur not alone

[asentinel]

later you will bump into someone who will understand you. Sometimes it is tiresome to meet with discouraging attitudes and shallow values, of family and friends. Just keep speaking up, you never know how many seeds you may quietly plant and the people you may strengthen by showing them how to be authentic. Try not to feel the pressure of their disdain, ridicule, and be really grateful for how far you have come to understand and validate yourself. Only you can know what resides in your heart. Try not to let others impinge with their lack of awareness and maturity.

I hope everyone has experienced at least one smile today! :p

[amethyst]

It's difficult when those around you are living a parallel universe.

It's like a chasm that they can't cross over to you and you can't cross over to them.

[gordonfreeman]

Furries are one of the awaken ones too. They are more open-minded then the average sheeple. I have known to talk of one of them from the fandom. They are positive, nice, and cool. They help people and even strangers. I am tired and sick of the anomalous humans who deny, ridicule, hate, and ignorantly call them "Furfags! or Yiff in hell, furfags! I hate that and I want to see it change. All this hate and negativity on something that is different gets old.

I know everyone is not into the furry fandom. But there is an anthropomorphic genre. The furry war is not over yet. Those anti-furs will learn. Those who think that they have a animal form or anthro animal form call themselves Therians and the Otherkin. I think there soul didn't originally came from this Earth, but somewhere across from this galaxy and the universe. They seem to remember most of themselves. Their inner soul and animal. I still see most people accept furries and I am glad of that. Anthropomorphism have existed since the dawn of mankind. Perhaps some aliens are more animal-like. Like the wolf/human hybrid called the Kanis from the Dogstar galaxy. Mentioned from a person from Open-minds forum.

Sorry, guys I just have to put this out.

[coshh]

Worse, I feel lonely being a sheeple.

[asentinel]

It's difficult when those around you are living a parallel universe.

It's like a chasm that they can't cross over to you and you can't cross over to them.

hope is the template to build the bridge....

It is easier for you to cross over to them, because you are seeing from a higher vantage point.

You will communicate with the more subtle part of them first, and eventually that MAY work it's way down into their consciousness and awareness on this plane of existence.

Perhaps it will take until the last minute before they leave before they see your point, a minute to midnight? Perhaps beyond.

No intention to love is ever wasted. There is hope. But don't wait for evidence.....

:p

[asentinel]

Furries are one of the awaken ones too. They are more open-minded then the average sheeple. I have known to talk of one of them from the fandom. They are positive, nice, and cool. They help people and even strangers. I am tired and sick of the anomalous humans who deny, ridicule, hate, and ignorantly call them "Furfags! or Yiff in hell, furfags! I hate that and I want to see it change. All this hate and negativity on something that is different gets old.

I know everyone is not into the furry fandom. But there is an anthropomorphic genre. The furry war is not over yet. Those anti-furs will learn. Those who think that they have a animal form or anthro animal form call themselves Therians and the Otherkin. I think there soul didn't originally came from this Earth, but somewhere across from this galaxy and the universe. They seem to remember most of themselves. Their inner soul and animal. I still see most people accept furries and I am glad of that. Anthropomorphism have existed since the dawn of mankind. Perhaps some aliens are more animal-like. Like the wolf/human hybrid called the Kanis from the Dogstar galaxy. Mentioned from a person from Open-minds forum.

Sorry, guys I just have to put this out.

of what you speak.???

Have you seen the movie The Golden Compass, where every person has a daemon, represented by an animal, in fact it is their soul walking along side of them. They are able to communicate and see each other's pain or pleasure. Is it a bit like that??

Perhaps such a place exists somewhere in some Universe?

If it is any consolation, I don't think my soul came from this place either!!

Never deny what you see with your own eyes, never be afraid to speak about it. Once the backslide starts, after a time you will not see what you see any more! You will be looking but not seeing. This is the problem we have here, on this little rock. We have self-sensored away our own reality and along with it our discernment, and along with that our ability to have empathy.

:p

[gordonfreeman]

of what you speak.???

Have you seen the movie The Golden Compass, where every person has a daemon, represented by an animal, in fact it is their soul walking along side of them. They are able to communicate and see each other's pain or pleasure. Is it a bit like that??

Perhaps such a place exists somewhere in some Universe?

Are you kidding. One Furry, he told that he sees himself as a purple fox with angel wings and he is not lying. Not physical, but his soul is. He talked to him online briefly, he is not one of the crazy. He complained about humans treating him badly. He feels angry, sad, tired, and suicidal, but brave at the same time.

I calmed him down.

I don't know him in person, but I do know his real name. I don't think the person that I talked to is crazy. The purple furry is bisexual. But on the other hand, it is not a mental illness. Or is it?

[cyberdaemon]

hope is the template to build the bridge....

It is easier for you to cross over to them, because you are seeing from a higher vantage point.

You will communicate with the more subtle part of them first, and eventually that MAY work it's way down into their consciousness and awareness on this plane of existence.

Perhaps it will take until the last minute before they leave before they see your point, a minute to midnight? Perhaps beyond.

No intention to love is ever wasted. There is hope. But don't wait for evidence.....

:p

thats a damn good point... In this universe , why can we and cant do things depends on consensus reality.Your consiousness may do everything "right"
in order to get the "miracle" (what is just different way for happening things) , but it doesnt happen , because million other consiousnesses jump on you and drag you down.Its eventually too strong opposition to just break trough and thats why you never get "magic" to work.All the appearances of all the science fiction stuff comes in "symbolic" , never the same way as represented in the movie/story.You neither arent never powerful enough to make it real as it is in the movie.Its like talking about star wars clone troopers and in the end getting just one human clone that isnt worth of getting to be soldier and turns out to be waker.But idea of "clone army" needs millions of these and if the movie says they were built in weeks/mounths from scratch , without surrogate mothers , you know "this" cant be allowed , because... (here comes endless list of "why it is impossible")

[elysiumfire]

Hi There,

For as long as I can remember I have always had a 'aloof' side to me, one into which I would withdraw and pursue my own thoughts and thinking. I am single now, and have been so for the last 11 years, and although I would like to meet someone there is a part of me that doubts I ever will.

Kindricity will be an important factor, as my 'ex' could not keep up with my 'lay' science and philosophy, and my delving into subjects that quite frankly, served no purpose to her eyes. I am alone, but I am not lonely, yet also, feel the lacuna in that part of my 'self' which is defined by the sharing of love. There is a part in each of us - as individuals, that achieves a sense of fulfillment from the 'giving' and the 'sharing' found in the intimacy of a loving relationship, and I suppose, therefore, on that issue, I am something of a mis-fit, and unfulfilled. It is a regret I sense in me all the time, but I will not allow that regret to be me.

As for being 'awake', I probably came into a self-consciousness expansion of awe and wonder at an early age, and because of that awe and wonder and the curiosity that followed from it, I have in a sense opened my own eyes and understanding without the need to listen to, or follow others. I have my own philosophy of spirit and consciousness, which provides me with enough plausibility to accept post-mortem consciousness as a high probability, even though there is not one shred of empirical data that currently supports it...but neither is there any to disprove it. If there were, I would not accept it.

I am not easily fooled, and have exceptional discerning ability, along with an acute intuitive perceiving (almost to a point of being 'psychic'...but I am not), which is why I do not accept the more outlandish claims that Icke utters, but support him in his more realistic and grounded effusings. I do not think I am alone being this way, I accept there to be many others whom can be found on sites like this, and have noticed a burgeoning naturalness of spirituality, naked and unadorned by any requirement of a uniform or indeed, of any ritual, that provide intuitionally a way by which to live. Where once it was well-hidden, today the sun is being allowed to shine upon its face. Through the internet, such natural spirits are finding each other, and although we may be divided by culture and race, we are slowly diluting and dissolving those differences. In effect, we are now seeing behind the masks of culture and race, and recognising each other as we truly are...spirits of one humanity.

No matter how many times one is told that fact, it will not act upon you to effect inner change until you cognise it for yourself...until you empathise with it...then, and only then, will one awaken.

Best wishes

[cafetimes1991]

It's difficult in Ireland... as a teenager... with bad posture... to try to wake people up to the NWO etc.

[lostinstrangeworld]

:o

[therealknockoff]

Everyone reading this should reaad the book of proverbs, it will you really help you understand the difference between foolishness and wisdom.

[lostinstrangeworld]

Everyone reading this should reaad the book of proverbs, it will you really help you understand the difference between foolishness and wisdom.

Can you explain what you mean by that?

[hey_jude]

Everyone reading this should reaad the book of proverbs, it will you really help you understand the difference between foolishness and wisdom.

I know what you mean - its grounding for me!

When replying to my "religious cult" brother's 9 page rant [usually in green ink] I always quote the bible back at him - he has a real problem with me and our mother because we won't do as he says.

He says he's a born again christian and I and our mother catch him lying and frankly sh*t stirring. He and his wife are church counsellers and they tell anyone who'll listen the private details of the problems they hear. Its a disgrace!

I quote to my brother
Titus 1:16
"they profess to know God, but in works they deny HIM, being abominable, disobedient and disqualified for every good work"

most famous proverb of all time......
"it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven"

thats my bet ....any takers lol

[nwoexposer]

Loneliness is bullshit and is an illusion. I've spent many years of my young life already being so concerned about being lonely when I was the one creating that reality! I turned down invitations (including to birthday parties) and wouldn't talk to people if they talked to me.

Loneliness can't be anything but an illusion if everything is the One Consciousness.

If you want friends, talk to people, even if the circumstances seem to be in conflict with social norms. Go and hang out with someone you know, even if you don't normally hang out with them or even if you used to hang out with them. Don't let preconceived ideas of "I haven't seen or talked to him in ages", "What if they're busy these days?" or "He may be mad at me for not keeping in contact with him" stop you from establishing or reestablishing social contacts. Don't be afraid to try new things and remember that they only key to successful interpersonal relationships and making new friends is a 13 letter word called COMMUNICATION.

[iloveyou]

You're all so beautiful. Thanks for sharing. And thanks for the great songs! They're bringing happy little tears of recognition as they resonate.

I think that for the past two years, I was supposed to be alone...to reconnect with myself and Source or God or The Universe...whatever word you like. There was a lot of illusion I had to see through.

Of course, I'm still going through this process, but now it feels like I'm supposed to be more in the world--to connect with my tribe, at this resonance. It's exciting. At age 36, I feel like I'll actually know my soul-mate when he shows up.

For those of you who are struggling, please please please read David's writings about love, and apply them to your life. They're not just nice words, nice ideas. They're the answer. It's the most important work he has done.

I've been "studying" love "formally" since 2001, and even though I've read bookcases of books on the subject, no one is going to find the answers reading. You find the answers when you quieten your mind and let go. The more you can open and surrender, the lighter you are. When you're strong in love, the heavy stuff can't get you down.

By doing this for years, I have an amazing life now in which I feel connected to everything. When I was thirteen years old, and was asked what I wanted to be when I grew up, I said, "happy." I sought and struggled for many years, but now I'm happy beyond my wildest dreams of happiness. I am blessed with experiences that I realize not many people have, and I'm grateful. It keeps getting better and better.

Hugs and love,
Sharon

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6929/1420/1600/star.0.jpg

The word, "love" in morse code (a star, maybe).

[lostinstrangeworld]

I recommend "The Power Of Now" by Ekhart Tolle and the lecture on google of Nassim Haramein at the Rogue Valley Library of Metaphysics

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6151699791256390335&ei=7jEUSfzBPKf22gLky9iCDQ&q=Nassim+Haramein

[lostinstrangeworld]

For those of you who are struggling, please please please read David's writings about love, and apply them to your life. They're not just nice words, nice ideas. They're the answer. It's the most important work he has done.

I've been "studying" love "formally" since 2001, and even though I've read bookcases of books on the subject, no one is going to find the answers reading. You find the answers when you quieten your mind and let go. The more you can open and surrender, the lighter you are. When you're strong in love, the heavy stuff can't get you down.

By doing this for years, I have an amazing life now in which I feel connected to everything. When I was thirteen years old, and was asked what I wanted to be when I grew up, I said, "happy." I sought and struggled for many years, but now I'm happy beyond my wildest dreams of happiness. I am blessed with experiences that I realize not many people have, and I'm grateful. It keeps getting better and better.

Hugs and love,
Sharon

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6929/1420/1600/star.0.jpg

The word, "love" in morse code (a star, maybe).

:)

[ayomide]

It would really be a very eternal thing if I can find a man who shares the same respect regarding conspiracy but importantly in truth and love!

But most people I know just laugh at you, shut you up and are to shallow, materialistic, highly superficial and indoctrinated with vile rubbish! I see people losing that spark in thier eyes and the warmth from thier smiles.:(

I want you all to- smile and make eye contact with people you encounter in the street, train or anywhere - spread warmth and love through a simple smile and ignite peoples spirit.

[lostinstrangeworld]

I want you all to- smile and make eye contact with people you encounter in the street, train or anywhere - spread warmth and love through a simple smile and ignite peoples spirit.


:)

[abaddon]

I want you all to- smile and make eye contact with people you encounter in the street, train or anywhere - spread warmth and love through a simple smile and ignite peoples spirit.


I've never been any different, and it's rubbed off onto a few friends who find themselves unable to resist saying 'hello' to randoms on the street for a positive reply. I generally find the greater the population and money revenue in a built up area, the greater the chance someone you say hello to is in a below-neutral mood, or on a timeframe (ie running late) and thus will kinda ignore/grunt. Same can be said for the amount of cars in a higherdensity population, you're bound to notice more shit drivers than in a smaller city ^^
I'm a pessimist, taking to heart the worst case scenario, and yet that's what drives me to learn more, communicate positively, say hello for that random smile, brainstorm so I don't drive meself crazy with unexpressed ideas:p

Do you feel lonely being a "free thinker"?

if I can find who shares the same respect regarding conspiracy

Yes; usually because I can't find someone to bounce ideas off! If anything, it's disheartening to find out that, most people just don't give a thought/2 shits about ... well anything 'important' really. Other than societal norms, money, gossip etc. Some people are so fucking lazy, they can't even be bothered to try ponder about 'stuff'. Other than societal norms, money etc. I'm one person, in one place, with my own opinions, but I like to think I'm not alone :D

hmm Now I'm not sure if I meant disheartening, or incredibly frustrating :p