What is One's Correct Name?

[antipharisee]

If you're asked, "What is your name?"
is this a correct response?:

"My Common Law name is John-Peter: of the family Smith".
Or is it better to say:
"My Common Law name is John-Peter.

I thought maybe the very word "Name" could be a
"joinder" so that's why I thought it would be a good idea
to say, "My Common Law name is..." rather than, "My name is..."
Because when they say "name" they may mean "Legal Name".
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Wikipedia has:

given name
surname
family name
legal name
name at birth
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I found this too:

Common Law Name,
A person has the right to adopt, assume, or use any name they want as long as it isn't defrauding or hurting anyone else, many states allow a person, including a child, to change his or her name by using the common law rule.
Under the common law rule, all you have to do is use your new name "consistently, openly and non-fraudulently, without interfering with other people’s rights."
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Kind Regards

[yozhik]

Look to the OLD movies for a good clue ... :)

Something like 'Shane' or similar.
Those old cowboys knew a thing or two.
When asked who they were, a common response might have been; "I go by Shane" ... or "my friends call me Shane" ... or "you can call me Shane".


Incidentally ... I thought this was extremely relevant and ironic.
Looked in the first legal dictionary [UK] to hand; it had the following ...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=552&pictureid=6287

:D

[somethinganonymous]

If a peace officer asks you for your name, then hit him back with a question. For if you answer, even if you say 'my firends call me Shane' then you've entered into the peace officers jurisdiction and he will then proceed to enter into his role as a police officer. First you establish yourself as a man by having the peace officer enter your jurisdiction by having him be the first to answer ANY question. Then you can say you name is whatever, doesn't matter.

So, again, claim jurisdiction first, then answer his requests out of politeness to the man who attempts and works to keep the peace.

[number_6]

Sorry if this has been done before, but when did the colon start to feature in the FOTL movement for one's name, and what is the background of why it was decided to use it?

[yozhik]

Sorry if this has been done before, but when did the colon start to feature in the FOTL movement for one's name, and what is the background of why it was decided to use it?

As explained by : David-Wynn:Miller

"The reason I use a full colon and a hyphen in my name, the first full colon, which is full colon David, it means for the David hyphen Wynn. That's my given name, and it's also a noun, because it uses a prepositional phrase. ... Because I use prepositional phrases, through punctuation, which is classified as hieroglyphics, which makes me a life, l-i-f-e. Now, when you don't punctuate your name ... David is an adjective, Wynn is an adjective, Miller is a pronoun. Two adjectives are a condition of modification, opinion, presumption, which modifies the pronoun, pro means no on noun. So therefore, I'm not a fact. I'm a fiction."

In summary; it defines you as a man rather than a fiction by use of punctuation.

[danster82]

There is no such thing as a correct way one of the points about freeman and common law is that the law is not codified, therefore you need not worry about any definition if you are acting purely from common law.

If someone asks your name they either want to identify you on system or they want a label they can call you by.

So I would just say "Im Dan" I dont need to sound like someone who doesnt live in todays modern world by saying things like Im of the clan or whatever.

The idea about creating joinder is not true contract is misunderstood as in it is not mearly contract by signing a bit of paper but more by deed, what actions are you performing, did he register? does he pay tax? does he claim any benefits? if the answers are yes you are in contract by default as if you act like a law merchant then you are one and everyone acts like one.

[girlgye]

This is the importance of due dilligence and ultimately going and testing this idea for yourself as already in this thread there is misleading information.
The problem with forums is you never know the true motives of every single poster.

The question to you the OP is what will you have to say when a judge says he won't accept either of your propositions. Are you going to accept what he says or are you going to be so steeped in knowledge that you are aware that some of what he says is pure fantasy designed to point score and win rather than base it in point of law.

The anti terrorist is Britains best export and I would go to his sticky. The man knows what he is talking about and I have tested his hypothesis time and time again as others have and it works. Read their testimonies here too. There are improvements to be made as there a gaps in it as they become even more sleight in dealing with us and I will put one out one day myself. For now stick to what the leading others do and you won't go wrong. Despite what others come on and say to the contrary.

[picha]

This is the importance of due dilligence and ultimately going and testing this idea for yourself as already in this thread there is misleading information.
The problem with forums is you never know the true motives of every single poster.

The question to you the OP is what will you have to say when a judge says he won't accept either of your propositions. Are you going to accept what he says or are you going to be so steeped in knowledge that you are aware that some of what he says is pure fantasy designed to point score and win rather than base it in point of law.

The anti terrorist is Britains best export and I would go to his sticky. The man knows what he is talking about and I have tested his hypothesis time and time again as others have and it works. Read their testimonies here too. There are improvements to be made as there a gaps in it as they become even more sleight in dealing with us and I will put one out one day myself. For now stick to what the leading others do and you won't go wrong. Despite what others come on and say to the contrary.

I am quite suspicious of anti terorrist, he told the toothpick story exactly how it was in mary crofts book like it happened to one of his friends.

[girlgye]

The AT has been to court. He knows all the leading Freemen in the UK and vica versa. He always cites his sources at the end and refers you to them and I believe he does so in his book too. :)

[picha]

The AT has been to court. He knows all the leading Freemen in the UK and vica versa. He always cites his sources at the end and refers you to them and I believe he does so in his book too. :)

Yes he does but read the mary croft book, the toothpick story is exactly the same one as he says happened to his friend.

[malandro]

Yes he does but read the mary croft book, the toothpick story is exactly the same one as he says happened to his friend.

Maybe they've met?

[asky]

AT is a bullshit artist who plants subliminal messages in his videos to try and brainwash his viewers.

you will find the same stories all over the web with diffrent people swearing that these things happened to them or their friend.

You see most of the time they are speaking to the converted or desperate to belive anything types.

Thats why Rob Menard can cut and paste a block of text without any references and everyone bows down and believes, yet if someone doubts they are jumped up and down on even though they provide concrete evidence to the contrary.

Just go through Robs posts and try and find anything that he substantiates with proof and not just an amusing anecdote.

asky

[yozhik]

hey asky ... why don't you tell us how you REALLY feel?

:D

[eustacekidd]

If a peace officer asks you for your name, then hit him back with a question. For if you answer, even if you say 'my firends call me Shane' then you've entered into the peace officers jurisdiction and he will then proceed to enter into his role as a police officer. First you establish yourself as a man by having the peace officer enter your jurisdiction by having him be the first to answer ANY question. Then you can say you name is whatever, doesn't matter.

So, again, claim jurisdiction first, then answer his requests out of politeness to the man who attempts and works to keep the peace.

What kind of question should you ask?

[asky]

Hello Officer is there anything I may help you with?

Its a question and its polite and its likely to get you a lot further than being an arse

asky

[picha]

If you're asked, "What is your name?"
is this a correct response?:

"My Common Law name is John-Peter: of the family Smith".
Or is it better to say:
"My Common Law name is John-Peter.

I thought maybe the very word "Name" could be a
"joinder" so that's why I thought it would be a good idea
to say, "My Common Law name is..." rather than, "My name is..."
Because when they say "name" they may mean "Legal Name".
------------------
Wikipedia has:

given name
surname
family name
legal name
name at birth
------------------
I found this too:

Common Law Name,
A person has the right to adopt, assume, or use any name they want as long as it isn't defrauding or hurting anyone else, many states allow a person, including a child, to change his or her name by using the common law rule.
Under the common law rule, all you have to do is use your new name "consistently, openly and non-fraudulently, without interfering with other people’s rights."
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Kind Regards

You could answer 'Do you mean the name of a person'? If he says 'yes', then you can say 'I am a man not a person so I cant answer that question'.
I think the golden rule to a question like that is never give a straight answer to that question.

[asky]

asky wrote
its likely to get you a lot further than being an arse

See below for a perfect example

picha wrote
You could answer 'Do you mean the name of a person'? If he says 'yes', then you can say 'I am a man not a person so I cant answer that question'.


asky

[tom bombadil]

Hello Officer is there anything I may help you with?

Its a question and its polite and its likely to get you a lot further than being an arse

asky

Polite yes, but only the cop thinks that you are an arse, incorrectley so!

I would say ''May I help you?''

If following the 'letter of the law' then the cop cant ask you your name and expect an answer unless they, the individual, think that you have done something wrong. So to answer ''may I help'' is all that is required. Afterall, you might have done something that you, the new freeman, had not realised.

If a cop that is just a 'policy enforcer' asks you a quizzer then the same answer applies.

In both cases you gave the response that the 'I' in can I help you?' was the you and not the person as the person is never the 'I'.

The above is not freeman-ary but simple word of law (and statute) stuff that is used in the courts all of the time!


Nelly.

[antipharisee]

I have another thread that I just posted
on this Freeman-On-The-Land section entitled:
"Reverse Miranda Cop Warning".

I was wondering if it would be a good idea to,
as soon as you are approached by police and
asked any question or they make any comment, including them asking
for your name, to just immediately
read a Reverse Miranda Cop Warning to them?

[yozhik]

Hello Officer is there anything I may help you with?

Its a question and its polite and its likely to get you a lot further than being an arse

asky

Can't argue with this.

But do you think the same respect and courtesy could come from the other side?
Rather than;
"what are you doing here ... give me your ID"

[merlincove]

Look to the OLD movies for a good clue ... :)

Something like 'Shane' or similar.
Those old cowboys knew a thing or two.
When asked who they were, a common response might have been; "I go by Shane" ... or "my friends call me Shane" ... or "you can call me Shane".


Incidentally ... I thought this was extremely relevant and ironic.
Looked in the first legal dictionary [UK] to hand; it had the following ...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=552&pictureid=6287

:D

i always thought the way the cowboys introduced themselves in those old cowboy films' had a touch of something very real about it......

It took me till a few years ago to understand where they were coming from.

Quotted because i couldn't see the link too ;)

i introduce my Self as Lee, and if asked my surname i usually reply with 'oh i haven't got one of those......'

And that's if i even tell anyone who asks my name, i usually as k if i'm obliged to tell them, 100% of the time i ask, it turns out i'm not obliged at all ;)

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=552&pictureid=6287

EDOT: and still can't see the link......

[yozhik]

its a bit like those damn forms that ask for 'title' - especally the online dropdown variety - that don't allow you to proceed unless you select 'Mr' or 'Mrs', etc.

Forms to be completed in handwriting are easy - a simple cross out and an addition of 'none' with your own box is the solution, but those drop down ones are a real pain in the ass.

:D

[merlincove]

i had a similar issue with Comet who wont let you proceded at the checkout unless you give them the details as per the input body on their checkout terminal, postcode, house number, name etc.

There is a way round that one, but those drop down menus's yeah, they are a pain. i often just put anything in there, and very rarely put my right dob etc in, i go for the 1st of the 1st and then the oldest date they have: i don't think anyone ever reads what's been input into those collumns, but my guess is that for every ten correctly filled out ones there are 3 or so that have been filled in by people bucking the system of it.....

[yozhik]

i had a similar issue with Comet who wont let you proceded at the checkout unless you give them the details as per the input body on their checkout terminal, postcode, house number, name etc.


Decline their offer.
Can't remember where exactly, but there is a post somewhere on this forum regarding one of the main electrical stores and this obsession with collecting data at the checkout - was somewhere like Curry's or Dixon's.

Anway ...

Customer refused to give postcode, etc.
Checkout operator didn't know how to proceed.
Manager was called over.
Manager input the store postcode and address to proceed with the transaction.

Look ... the thing is ... do they want the sale or not?
Are they prepared for you to walk out and take your custom elsewhere?
With the 'financial crisis' and sales critical to the success of ANY business, they are NOT going to let a postcode prevent them from increasing turnover.


'Computer says no' doesn't cut it in a consumer world.
'Consumer says no' needs to become the new catch phrase.

It was suggested that this data mining is also from whence the TV Licence Nazis kidnap your info, to terrorise you through their fraudulent system of harrassment.

Another very good reason not to do it!

'Consumer says no' ...

;)

[yozhik]

There is a way round that one, but those drop down menus's yeah, they are a pain. i often just put anything in there, and very rarely put my right dob etc in, i go for the 1st of the 1st and then the oldest date they have: i don't think anyone ever reads what's been input into those collumns, but my guess is that for every ten correctly filled out ones there are 3 or so that have been filled in by people bucking the system of it.....

I think the last time I filled one in, I was Dr Yozhik Not Applicable

:D

[merlincove]

^^^ it was me, yozhik, i did that ;)

it was comet (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66341) :D

i went in there today to buy a sandwish toaster, and then thought it was more trouble than it was worth, so bought one from the coop, no hassle and straight transaction :D

I think the last time I filled one in, I was Dr Yozhik Not Applicable

:D

i'm often Dr Freeman, or some such :D



'Consumer says no' ...

;)

that is an excellent moto, maybe i'll get it printed onto business cards and hand em out :D

[yozhik]

^^^ it was me, yozhik, i did that ;)

it was comet (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66341) :D

i went in there today to buy a sandwish toaster, and then thought it was more trouble than it was worth, so bought one from the coop, no hassle and straight transaction :D

Then my memory still serves me well :)
I assume I summarised the story accurately, with minimal 'poetic licence'?

:rolleyes:

[merlincove]

Then my memory still serves me well :)
I assume I summarised the story accurately, with minimal 'poetic licence'?

:rolleyes:

spot on sir, long story cut short to good effect :D

The best bit, though, for me at least, was whan i asked to see the managers manager :D

it was amusing watching the 'manager's' face change from smug, none compliance when he realised this wasn't going to go away :D

[yozhik]

The best bit, though, for me at least, was whan i asked to see the managers manager :D

it was amusing watching the 'manager's' face change from smug, none compliance when he realised this wasn't going to go away :D

This, for me anyway, is the heart of the beast.
We seem to have allowed ourselves to be consumed by the doctrine of procedure, and have have abandoned all common sense and the exercising of discretion.

I truly can not comprehend it.

In my past life as an ... errrrr ... advisor :rolleyes: ... it was the biggest hurdle I would repeatedly come across.
People in positions of authority and responsibility who were stuck in the moment, with no ability to focus on the end goal.

"No ... you can't do that" was their default response.

Took forever to get them to stop and think about;
"what is the outcome I desire here and which response is going to expediate the journey to that point?"

<sigh>

Those were the days ... :cool:

[sygyt]

AT is a bullshit artist who plants subliminal messages in his videos to try and brainwash his viewers.

you will find the same stories all over the web with diffrent people swearing that these things happened to them or their friend.

You see most of the time they are speaking to the converted or desperate to belive anything types.

Thats why Rob Menard can cut and paste a block of text without any references and everyone bows down and believes, yet if someone doubts they are jumped up and down on even though they provide concrete evidence to the contrary.

Just go through Robs posts and try and find anything that he substantiates with proof and not just an amusing anecdote.

asky

Freemen and women always end up losing in court,they may tie things up for a while,but they always lose.

[sygyt]

The David Icke forums continue to be a hilarious look into the FOTL woo movement. Someone just posted something that - finally - summarizes how FOTL woos are supposed to act in the court room in order to be free of all statute law. So nice to know everything you have to do all in one place:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=97326

Since its long, here is a summary:
1) You cannot give your name. Even though you are asked for your name, this is a devious plot to get you to admit that you are your corporate strawman. You must simply say that you are a interested third party.
2) You cannot go inside a court room without standing outside and telling the judge that you reserve all inalienable rights.
3) You must stand* at all times, because if you sit then you "under-stand" the law and become under the admiralty court.
*...EXCEPT
3a) You are to sit when the court says ALL RISE, because this way you show them that you are not under their corporation. If asked to stand out of respect for the office of the judge you are to tell them that you only stand before GOD and not CORPORATIONS. After doing all this, FOTL woo says that the court room is now YOURS. You control it.
4) If asked to state your name and address - DON'T DO IT! This is a evil diabolical attempt to get you to submit to their jurisdiction.
4a) If at any time the court uses a courtesy title for you (Mr, Mrs, etc.) you must correct them by telling them that you are not a corporation and do not have a title.
5) Tell the court when they use your name to address you that you are not a corporation. Because names are for corporations.
6) Demand that the judge tell you their oath. If they don't remember it on command, it proves they are a shill for a corporate government.
6a) When he doesn't give his oath you can tell the judge that you have fired him and that he can leave the court.
7) Although the judge will clearly cower before your power now, he may still "threaten" your sovereign person with contempt of court. You can feel free to tell the judge that he can't hold you in contempt because you don't consent to contract.
8) Since this is all a secret plot to get you to submit to admiralty law, you cannot pass the bar (because that would be getting on their ship!) and you cannot accept any "dockets" because docks are for ships!

...And they wonder why they get thrown in to jail after pulling all these shenanigans. Its all so comical that these people really believe that the judicial system is nothing more than a kids game where everyone is trying to secretly plot against you to submit to their admiralty ship - and if you don't - you can do whatever you want!

[yozhik]

Totally off topic.
Nicely trolled sir.


Why not post this reply from whence your quoted link came?
Would make a hell of a lot more sense!!

[Ian2day]

The real slim shady.

[yozhik]

Its all so comical that these people really believe [...] you can do whatever you want!

The only thing 'comical' is your complete and utter lack of comprehension.

:rolleyes:

[merlincove]

The David Icke forums continue to be a hilarious look into the FOTL woo movement. Blah blah blah.......

Sygt, obviously you have no issue giving up you inalienable rights as a human being, your equality and your ability to control your own destiny.

Obviously you have no issue with being a slave to a system that controls not only what you say, think, do and feel but also how you interact with others.

Obviously you feel that treading a road of another’s devise is the best way forward for you.

Obviously you feel that remaining a sleep while your brothers and sisters fight for their rights is preferable than fighting for your own.

If you choose one day to remove the self imposed blinkers that you wear, given to you by the nanny state, if you chose to claim your right to freedom, your right to equality, your right to stand under your own morality and your right to live peaceably and without let, licence or hindrance you will find the answers in that which you choose to degrade. Until that day, I wish you well on your journey through the matrix because while you accept the false laws of society, condone such with every fibre of your being, you will never be free of the matrix.

In the mean time understand that every hour that you work you feed the system: the matrix has you. Every step and every breath that you take, in upholding a false sense of law, the false sense of reality of matrix has you.

It takes a braver man to take the stick away from the school yard bully, than he who cowers and hands over his dinner money.


;)

[girlgye]

Lee this is Jeff the racist from oldham just bringing it down to the lowest common denominator. He is that sad that there is no one to talk to at TPUC he has invented all the characters on the stage. He has been given warning before and he is here purely to troll me after completely slagging off this board to such an extent the thread was pulled. He has no other motive except to cause trouble and this forum is going to hell in a hand casket because of it.

I cannot bear the man. Neither can I bear those that simply seem to enjoy encouraging him and endorsing what he does.

[phildee3]

Monty Python - Bruce - YouTube

[asky]

girlgye ranted
Lee this is Jeff the racist from oldham just bringing it down to the lowest common denominator. He is that sad that there is no one to talk to at TPUC he has invented all the characters on the stage. He has been given warning before and he is here purely to troll me after completely slagging off this board to such an extent the thread was pulled. He has no other motive except to cause trouble and this forum is going to hell in a hand casket because of it.

I cannot bear the man. Neither can I bear those that simply seem to enjoy encouraging him and endorsing what he does.

asky is jeff and Im not from Oldham and Im not anyone else
I was Jargon Buster on TPUC but not any more

I wont be here much longer as Im winding down

asky

[merlincove]

Lee this is Jeff the racist from oldham just bringing it down to the lowest common denominator. He is that sad that there is no one to talk to at TPUC he has invented all the characters on the stage. He has been given warning before and he is here purely to troll me after completely slagging off this board to such an extent the thread was pulled. He has no other motive except to cause trouble and this forum is going to hell in a hand casket because of it.

I cannot bear the man. Neither can I bear those that simply seem to enjoy encouraging him and endorsing what he does.

We've seen it before GG, and we'll see it again.

People will attack what they fear the most, it's a prime controling programme of society, because society doesn't wasnt anyone rocking the boats. Rocking the boats worries people lol.

it's also a good indicator that the movement is doing something right, when such baseless arguements as given by a number of people on the board, are being propergated in an attempt to muddy the waters (to mix metaphors lol).

The more they talk, the more the dissenters sound like broken records trolling out the same old same old.

:D

[yozhik]

I wont be here much longer as Im winding down

asky

:eek:

You're the eveready bunny??????
No way ...

:eek:

[merlincove]

asky is jeff and Im not from Oldham and Im not anyone else
I was Jargon Buster on TPUC but not any more

I wont be here much longer as Im winding down

asky

i'll miss our debates :rolleyes:

[asky]

You probably will

You will strengthen your resolve and committment to the cause by debating with people like me.

you wont learn anything from people who always agree with you;)

asky

[yozhik]

You probably will

You will strengthen your resolve and committment to the cause by debating with people like me.

you wont learn anything from people who always agree with you ;)

asky

asky ... we have seldom agreed ... maybe a couple of times, but not often.
On this comment, you get my unadulterated, full blown, standing ovation, wink wink nudge nudge, boom shaka laka, thats the dogs bollocks, two thumbs up agreement.

[merlincove]

asky one time agreed with me that if you don't own a TV you don't need to have a TV licence, if you don't have a car then you don't need to pay road tax.

Now asky, just further those concepts into a much wider arena :D

[asky]

merlincove wrote
Now asky, just further those concepts into a much wider arena

OK we can take it to its furthest extreme.

If you dont have anything you wont need to worry about TPTB wanting anything from you.

Thats freedom isnt it?

asky

[yozhik]

merlincove wrote


OK we can take it to its furthest extreme.

If you dont have anything you wont need to worry about TPTB wanting anything from you.

Thats freedom isnt it?

asky

Not if as soon as you have something, they want something from you.
:rolleyes:

[merlincove]

merlincove wrote


OK we can take it to its furthest extreme.

If you dont have anything you wont need to worry about TPTB wanting anything from you.

Thats freedom isnt it?

asky

But any One will always have something, they have their Self, liberty and their freedom, so there is an inherent worry that figureheads of oppression will try and take these things from us.

The freeman way of standing is to address the rights of the human being to strengthen a resolve that no one has the right to take theses things from us if we have not committed a crime against another human being.

Where equality rules there can be no other law than Common Law, a set of finite and prime considerations arising for the premise that All are Equal.

Addressing ones name, in this instance, is a consideration that without proper knowledge and standing, people give up their claims to sovereignty over Self and lose the very essence of their being, Self, liberty and freedom.

To me the whole accountability of taxes is a side show for these considerations, but again, why can one tax another if the field of play has Equality as a requisite?

Equality is the key to all freeman concepts.

And the trap is to force a condition of acceptance by the few over the many, until all bow to the acceptance and readily tailor it into their lives as a factual consideration of living in society.

So much so that people react to the questions asked of them unthinkingly and without regard to what is being surrendered. People surrender to questions readily because it has become accepted.

Phone calls: can we ask you security questions?

Do people ever ask why? Not often, for the most part they blindly go along with the questions.

Stores: can you verify your postcode / give your details?

Again why don’t people rebut these requests?

Police officer: What is you name?

People surrender to the badge, through indoctrination. Rather than ask, ‘am I obliged to answer your question / have I done anything wrong…..?’ people blindly open themselves up.

Council officials, coming to my home, asking me who I am? Am I in any way obliged to comply?

Same with TV licensing…

We live in a very backward society where equality has been imprisoned and is the want of but a few, and it is a fact that those few see the members of society as being beneath them.

And it is that, that we are rebutting. Because we did not consent to it.

[asky]

But any One will always have something, they have their Self, liberty and their freedom, so there is an inherent worry that figureheads of oppression will tray and take these things from us.

What on earth would they want that for?

Its all about paying off the debts to the world bank isnt it?

If you have no finances or means of income they will leave you alone you can be sure of that.

Tramps smash shop windows for a bed for the night.

Dont end up in court all that often though.

asky