Evil capitalism. Watch this.

[mikey mikey]

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/01082010/watch.html

[romas]

nice, thanks.

[zero1]

nice, thanks.

+1 Good video.

Those gentlemen can sit there all day talking about how the con worked to collapse the economy, how Goldman Sachs and the rest of the bunch doing 'God's work' raped the working class and saved capitalism from them, but where self-interest rules and drinking the seawater of money only makes you thirsty for more, do they have efficate solutions to this crazy, maladaptive & destructive addiction of the West?

'Raise taxes', 'more regulation', 'greater transparency' etc. Po-faced political answers to a problem which long ago outgrew politics and overtook government.

Haven't we heard it all before? When does the same old song get old? Time to call a spade a spade when it comes to 'Capitalism', I think.

[rodin]

Haven't time to watch but see my sig...

Fascism and Communism are the same thing

monopoly pyramid control

and we don't need to take it but first we need a good % woken up so they are motivated to change

[veritasvoice]

One more time...

THIS IS CORPORATISM, NOT CAPITALISM.

A barter system is capitalism! Capitalism does not require money to work. Capitalism flourishes WITHOUT government.

Corporatism REQUIRES government to work "as intended"...it's the complicit partnership between corporations and governments. When governments alter legislation to make it easier for corporations to generate profits, that's corporatism in action.

Free enterprise is capitalism - the mutual beneficial exchange of goods and services, and the private ownership of the means of production.

The "free trade" you see on the news is not capitalism - it is corporatism.

Capitalism is NOT an economic system, it is a social system based on the private ownership of the means of production. It is possible to have a capitalist economy (based on free enterprise), a socialist economy (based on nationalization), a communist economy (based on monopolies) and a fascist economy (based on corporatism).

TOOLS are not the means of production. RESOURCES are not the means of production. The human mind is the means of production - that that is something you SHOULD "own" yourself - your mind is not a resource for a collective, a corporation or a state to own!

When corporatists get up on TV and say that "capitalism is to blame" and "capitalism has gone too far", what do you think they are trying to do? Atone for their crimes? Not likely!

They are spreading disinfo aimed at destroying the only competing system that functions for free individuals! Remember...problem, reaction, solution...if they generate public consent for capitalism to be outlawed or forbidden by government, that leaves ONLY corporatism!

And sick of hearing "money is evil" as well...money is just how humans exchange value. If we used peanuts or cat litter as currency, these bastards would screw you over to get more of it...because they are evil bastards who do not have the moral compass to prevent them from dominating free humans, not because the money somehow magically tempts them to do it.

[veritasvoice]

Haven't time to watch but see my sig...

Fascism and Communism are the same thing

monopoly pyramid control

and we don't need to take it but first we need a good % woken up so they are motivated to change

I agree with you. Fascism, communism, socialism, imperialism, colonialism...all different labels for the same thing; totalitarianism, the raising up of the state above the individual, and the suppression of individual rights.

[romas]

One more time...

THIS IS CORPORATISM, NOT CAPITALISM.

A barter system is capitalism! Capitalism does not require money to work. Capitalism flourishes WITHOUT government.

Corporatism REQUIRES government to work "as intended"...it's the complicit partnership between corporations and governments.

Free enterprise is capitalism - the mutual beneficial exchange of goods and services, and the private ownership of the means of production.

The "free trade" you see on the news is not capitalism - it is corporatism.

Capitalism is NOT an economic system, it is a social system based on the private ownership of the means of production. It is possible to have a capitalist economy (based on free enterprise), a socialist economy (based on nationalization), a communist economy (based on monopolies) and a fascist economy (based on corporatism).

TOOLS are not the means of production. RESOURCES are not the means of production. The human mind is the means of production - that that is something you SHOULD "own" yourself - your mind is not a resource for a collective, a corporation or a state to own!

When corporatists get up on TV and say that "capitalism is to blame" and "capitalism has gone too far", what do you think they are trying to do? Atone for their crimes? Not likely!

They are spreading disinfo aimed at destroying the only competing system that functions for free individuals! Remember...problem, reaction, solution...if they generate public consent for capitalism to be outlawed or forbidden by government, that leaves ONLY corporatism!

And sick of hearing "money is evil" as well...money is just how humans exchange value. If we used peanuts or cat litter as currency, these bastards would screw you over to get more of it...because they are evil bastards who do not have the moral compass to prevent them from dominating free humans, not because the money somehow magically tempts them to do it.





Problem is that corporatism rose from capitalism.

[turningback1605]

Problem is that corporatism rose from capitalism.


Corporatism is more a mechanism of socialism than capitalism.

[kappy0405]

I see people are still confusing Communism with Socialism. :rolleyes:

[motleyhoo]

Problem is that corporatism rose from capitalism.

And it always will because it is in the nature of the meek to let the criminals and con men take over, which they always will. In any free capitalist society the wealthiest will always buy favor with the politicians and then poison the entire system because the corruptive power of money increases as it grows.

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[hadabusa]

And it always will because it is in the nature of the meek to let the criminals and con men take over, which they always will. In any free capitalist society the wealthiest will always buy favor with the politicians and then poison the entire system because the corruptive power of money increases as it grows.

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solution?

anarch communism?

or is there a less radical solution?

[kappy0405]

A free market might work (without evolving into Corporatism) if government policy was operated under direct Democracy. Then everybody would be responsible for keeping business out of government. There would be no special interest because everyone would have an equal say.

But in an oligarchy, obviously greed will go unchecked because the vast majority of the population is powerless... hence the system we have now.

[romas]

Corporatism is more a mechanism of socialism than capitalism.





I do not agree, sorry.

Unless you mean socialism for very few and fuck all for the rest, but that's not socialism, that's feudalism masking itself as fascism.

[romas]

And it always will because it is in the nature of the meek to let the criminals and con men take over, which they always will. In any free capitalist society the wealthiest will always buy favor with the politicians and then poison the entire system because the corruptive power of money increases as it grows.

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So a solution without major revolution is to grow the government to the point where it can challenge any corporation. Similar to USA just bigger, more intelligence agencies, watching each other and corporations/fat cats.

Corporate media is working great at reminding people about dangers of big government, but they never warn of big corporations who own them.