Severe Depression / Suicidal Thoughts

[timelord]

Been suffering from severe depression since last January, in August last year I was admitted to a psychiatric ward for 2.5 months and put on Trazodone.
This is effective to a degree, but I still have suicidal thoughts and indeed in November attempted to kill myself.
Any hints, tips, ideas to get me through this black hole that my mind is in?

[burial]

ive dealt with those feelings for around a decade...you need an outlet. Idrew and wrote a lot in the first few years...also something agressive works like hitting things but not living things of course...invest in a punching bag. :D

Also with the medicine, if youre going to take it then NEVER stop! Starting/stopping meds like this over and over can mess your mind up even worse.

[mauviene]

Yea..

Go watch some comedy..

go to the bar ..

go have some sex

something that is a part of your bodies needs or wants is not being fulfilled because your trapped in a storm of negative thinking

or maybe its a suppressed homosexual drive?

[sofa king]

Been suffering from severe depression since last January, in August last year I was admitted to a psychiatric ward for 2.5 months and put on Trazodone.
This is effective to a degree, but I still have suicidal thoughts and indeed in November attempted to kill myself.
Any hints, tips, ideas to get me through this black hole that my mind is in?


are you still on Trazodone?

If so tell your Doc immediately! You need to have your meds changed or adjusted ASAP!

And please do not do anything without talking to a friend first.

[picha]

I found st johns wort helped to brighten my mood somewhat. Might be enough to stop u going over the edge.

[tracker]

Been suffering from severe depression since last January, in August last year I was admitted to a psychiatric ward for 2.5 months and put on Trazodone.
This is effective to a degree, but I still have suicidal thoughts and indeed in November attempted to kill myself.
Any hints, tips, ideas to get me through this black hole that my mind is in?

i had thoughts and actions like this in my early 20s .

I look back and now what made me depressed can never do again .

I wonder why you hate your life that much ?

depression is also an adiction !

the chemicals released during depression can make you become familiar with them , you accept them , and then they occure more often . After a prlonged period of depression the brain becomes addicted to the chemicals released during bouts of depression .

so please understand that it can be adictive .

once you know this , it should be easier to fight .

because thoughts can be controlled by feelings , but the facts are that thoughts are seperate from feelings .
thus
when you feel depressed , use it !
use it with thai Chi , stretching and self defence .learning to channel this energy into the etha through physical expressions can actually give you an edge over the average joe , and also make you a very unpredictable formidable foe should you have to defend your self . above all though I mentioned this because of its benifits . ( not for violence or fights lol ) negative energy is just what it says on the tin ------energy ----and there is a lot of it in this world , harnes that , and you've got one hell of a plentiful supply .

you'd be surprised just how much energy can come from depression and how far it can allow you to express in these activities .

learn this also
you dont need others to justify your life !

it is all yours , and there is so much out there that can do with some one like you to improve things , just remember that please .

:)

[zenith82]

yea..

Go watch some comedy..

Go to the bar ..

Go have some sex

something that is a part of your bodies needs or wants is not being fulfilled because your trapped in a storm of negative thinking

or maybe its a suppressed homosexual drive?

wtf?

[enga]

Been suffering from severe depression since last January, in August last year I was admitted to a psychiatric ward for 2.5 months and put on Trazodone.
This is effective to a degree, but I still have suicidal thoughts and indeed in November attempted to kill myself.
Any hints, tips, ideas to get me through this black hole that my mind is in?


For me it helps to walk and try to take care of myself foodwise and appearance wise. Staying up instead of sleeping - definite no. No caffeine. Previously being depressed it gets real easy not to wash or look after yourself but really it just aggravates the condition and makes it worse. Try to think if some circumstance which can be changed in your life can rid you of it. Remember moods are all temporary and in 12 months you're head will probably be completely different. I know it's cliche but controlling your thoughts in positive fashion helps and stopping negative thought patterns escalating. Keep the environment around you tidy and clutter free if possible. Try to do some pleasurable things.

I'll be sending loads of positive energy your way.

[tracker]

changing ones reality .:)

I made these threads for people to learn from basicly what is the lessons I learned the hard way , very much depressed and wanting to end it all .:(

now the titles of these threads are hard hitting and are supposed to be that way because some people feel that way . But at no time are any of these threads directed at you in anyway , they are invitations . as you will soon see , I had many a hard

time learning these lessons and hope that you too will see that like many out there with so much despare that you know

YOU ARE NOT ALONE !:cool:

If you have a bad past , you can change it .
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67667

Misfits / society rejects / is this you ?
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46282

WHY is it always me/you ? because you are the ONE!
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47889

Our own philosophies that can hold us down
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46414

philosophies that can make us FAIL !
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46436

Own philosphies hold us back 3 .
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46569


HERE are a few listening threads , to ease the mind and help channel some of that energy .

enjoy .

Trackers cuts . negative vibes for energy feel >
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=90364

trackers cuts . The night walk .
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=93712

trackers cuts/change your self/make it real .music
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92920

Trackers cuts 1. blissful dreams .
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=68096

:)

[ufochick]

Depression happens when we turn our anger at others back towards ourselves. That makes us feel unworthy, useless and like no one would miss us.

Depression is easier in many ways than dealing with the anger we feel for those we supposedly "love" or at situations that we can do nothing about.

Situational depression I think is the cause for most depression that is happening right now. People are so overwhelmed at the world around them, the world that tells us we are worthless unless we "have" all the things that make us important and have the "rank" (job) that makes us important. It's all silliness.

We are all beautiful souls you included. Try to find the source of your sadness and feelings of being "worthless" because those feeling may be strong but they are incorrect.

You don't deserve to have anger turned inward.. be kind to yourself, see the part of you that you are proud of, the little things. We all have things we are good at and those we stink at. Focus on the things you do well. Realize that you can nurture yourself and mostly realize you are a very important part of this world.

Every day you have a chance to change the world in little ways that will make it better, for you and for others.

Doctors don't give us the one thing that we need to help recover from depression and that is a different view of ourselves as the wonderful Beings that we are You are needed and important. You helped me just in making your post. It reminded me that I need to refocus a bit myself. :)

Thank you!

Dana

[tracker]

Depression happens when we turn our anger at others back towards ourselves. That makes us feel unworthy, useless and like no one would miss us.

Depression is easier in many ways than dealing with the anger we feel for those we supposedly "love" or at situations that we can do nothing about.

Situational depression I think is the cause for most depression that is happening right now. People are so overwhelmed at the world around them, the world that tells us we are worthless unless we "have" all the things that make us important and have the "rank" (job) that makes us important. It's all silliness.

We are all beautiful souls you included. Try to find the source of your sadness and feelings of being "worthless" because those feeling may be strong but they are incorrect.

You don't deserve to have anger turned inward.. be kind to yourself, see the part of you that you are proud of, the little things. We all have things we are good at and those we stink at. Focus on the things you do well. Realize that you can nurture yourself and mostly realize you are a very important part of this world.

Every day you have a chance to change the world in little ways that will make it better, for you and for others.

Doctors don't give us the one thing that we need to help recover from depression and that is a different view of ourselves as the wonderful Beings that we are You are needed and important. You helped me just in making your post. It reminded me that I need to refocus a bit myself. :)

Thank you!

Dana

very nicely put and very true indeed .

:)

[hurr]

You could try creative writing.
I don't have any talent for writing but I have not given up. And now my novel is nearly finished. I hope that it will be published. If not then I will improve it or write another in different style.

Writing has helped me enormously because it has given hope and that is what keeps depression away.
In any case try to do something useful with your life.
Perhaps you could help others with suicidal thoughts since you now have the experience. You understand their thought patterns.

This world IS depressing but never give up. Let's both stay alive so we can try to make it better.

[tracker]

You could try creative writing.
I don't have any talent for writing but I have not given up. And now my novel is nearly finished. I hope that it will be published. If not then I will improve it or write another in different style.

Writing has helped me enormously because it has given hope and that is what keeps depression away.
In any case try to do something useful with your life.
Perhaps you could help others with suicidal thoughts since you now have the experience. You understand their thought patterns.

This world IS depressing but never give up. Let's both stay alive so we can try to make it better.

^^^^^^^^^^^^ I am also doing creative writings , part ( only part ) of that is in my links .:cool:

lessons learned from experiences lol.:cool:

[diamond dogs]

And please do not do anything without talking to a friend first.

+1 try to talk with friends..

I read I am me I am free and that for me changed my whole conception of 'reality' and the whole scam of the pharneceutical industry,,,try different things to self motivate..if you can hold on to the times when you don't feel so low and try to eat (I know you may not have an appetite) healthily..

[enga]

Another thing that helps when you are wallowing a bit is to try really hard not to think of yourself or your problems and to go help someone or take an interest externally because depression tends to suck you in internally and getting your focus away can alleviate if you are up to it.

[hollo]

i used to get depression quite bad and the drugs the doctor gives you
dosent cure it - they just dope you up!

it will pass and you wont notice its past :)

1. go for a bike ride or walk to somewhere youve never been before
pref in the country/ along a beach and see where it leads too

2. use it to create poetry/art - great things flow from a troubled mind
not reasuring i know!!!

maybe reading some inspiring poetry would help?

Do not stand at my grave and weep - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
charge of the goddess (http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/deercreek/248/101/charge1.html)

[pythaem]

Been suffering from severe depression since last January, in August last year I was admitted to a psychiatric ward for 2.5 months and put on Trazodone.
This is effective to a degree, but I still have suicidal thoughts and indeed in November attempted to kill myself.
Any hints, tips, ideas to get me through this black hole that my mind is in?


I've been there man. The book "Feeling Good" by David Burns really helped me, that and Wellbutrin.

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Also, individual therapy is a must if you have access to it.

Main thing to keep in mind is you are in control. If you want to be happy, you can be happy. You are the master of your existence!

[jammasterj13]

Try Emotional Freedom Technique.

An excellent tool for clearing negative emotions and energy.

http://www.emofree.com/

http://eftcommunity.emofree.com/forums/

Overcoming Depression with Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT)

Overcoming Depression with Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT) - YouTube

You can use the technique for any negative emotion, also great for affirming the positive. Once you've learned the basic recipe its always with you.

Hang in there, you are far more powerful than you can possibly imagine.

[tracker]

it helps sometimes timelord that you return to threads of this nature .

:)

[21_12_2012]

Sorry to hear it timelord.
I recommend:-

Watching comedy DVD's/funny websites/anything to make you laugh initially.

Also, St John's wort (maybe a tincture or organic powder/capsule form)

Also, there's a plant called Brahmi which does wonders for mood and general brain health, try it out for a couple of days, it worked wonders for me, i have attention/focus problems, and it totally alleviated it and allowed me to focus and be happy. It may help.

Most of all, keep laughing, and not pondering on the past or worrying about the future. Concentrate on the NOW.

[tracker]

Sorry to hear it timelord.
I recommend:-

Watching comedy DVD's/funny websites/anything to make you laugh initially.

Also, St John's wort (maybe a tincture or organic powder/capsule form)

Also, there's a plant called Brahmi which does wonders for mood and general brain health, try it out for a couple of days, it worked wonders for me, i have attention/focus problems, and it totally alleviated it and allowed me to focus and be happy. It may help.

Most of all, keep laughing, and not pondering on the past or worrying about the future. Concentrate on the NOW.

defo that one , watching funny vids is good for this .

I watched reddwarf and lol , very funny .

black adder , red dwarf , chubby brown , any eddie murphy , jacky chan etc .

:D

[21_12_2012]

defo that one , watching funny vids is good for this .

I watched reddwarf and lol , very funny .

black adder , red dwarf , chubby brown , any eddie murphy , jacky chan etc .

:D

I've always been a big comedy fan. I do love stuff like Bo Selecta, Lee Evans, Fonejacker, Mike Strutter, Dennis Pennis, Tom Green, Jackass, Dirty Sanchez, Bernard Manning, Peter Kay, even stuff like "you've been framed", Laurel and Hardy (got the full collection)

Most of it is available for free online even on youtube.

I don't watch tv any more, not done properly for years, but i do watch DVDs now and again.

Some of the above stuff has helped me out in REALLY bad times.

Laughing really is the best medicine. Especially in 'hard times' like now, and all this Illuminati manipulation is enough to get anyone down.

Try taking a break from the forum for a while too, sometimes it has to be done (i do anyway)

[tracker]

I've always been a big comedy fan. I do love stuff like Bo Selecta, Lee Evans, Fonejacker, Mike Strutter, Dennis Pennis, Tom Green, Jackass, Dirty Sanchez, Bernard Manning, Peter Kay, even stuff like "you've been framed", Laurel and Hardy (got the full collection)

Most of it is available for free online even on youtube.

I don't watch tv any more, not done properly for years, but i do watch DVDs now and again.

Some of the above stuff has helped me out in REALLY bad times.

Laughing really is the best medicine. Especially in 'hard times' like now, and all this Illuminati manipulation is enough to get anyone down.

Try taking a break from the forum for a while too, sometimes it has to be done (i do anyway)

Laurel and Hardy ?

erm ------------iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin theeeeeeeeeeeeeeee blue ridged mountains of verginia , on the trail of the lonesome pine :D
in the pale moon shine , our hearts entwined , and she called her name and I called mine oh june , like the mountains im blue , like the pine , I am lonesome for you hooooo hoooo hooo hoooooooooooooooo . :)

nope ------never heard of them :D

I deny everything .

I have nothing to say :D

[21_12_2012]

Laurel and Hardy ?

erm ------------iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin theeeeeeeeeeeeeeee blue ridged mountains of verginia , on the trail of the lonesome pine :D
in the pale moon shine , our hearts entwined , and she called her name and I called mine oh june , like the mountains im blue , like the pine , I am lonesome for you hooooo hoooo hooo hoooooooooooooooo . :)

nope ------never heard of them :D

I deny everything .

I have nothing to say :D

haha, I was brought up on Laurel and Hardy, my dad is a big fan. Loved to watch them as kids, and even more nowadays.

[timelord]

it helps sometimes timelord that you return to threads of this nature .

:)

Don't worry, I'm still here and reading.

My meds have been changed, which is a good thing. I have a lot of shit to go through in the next few weeks, serious shit, thats my challenge at the moment.

[wakeupworld]

Sorry to hear your problems. When reading your post a title of a song came into my head.
"Love Changes Everything"

It certainly does, if for now you can`t receive the love of a human then the love of a pet is so special.

A dog will love (and help to heal) unconditionally and be your friend. A cat will be similar although more independant. Our 4 legged friends can be some of the great healers and are often overlooked for this.

Good luck.

[white horse]

Been suffering from severe depression since last January, in August last year I was admitted to a psychiatric ward for 2.5 months and put on Trazodone.
This is effective to a degree, but I still have suicidal thoughts and indeed in November attempted to kill myself.
Any hints, tips, ideas to get me through this black hole that my mind is in?

You have my sympathy and my support dude... depression is harsh, very harsh.

I was lucky to have a close friend who had worked in mental health and who recognised my symptoms before it got too bad.

She picked me up and took me to an emergency clinic late one night...

The doctor I went to see was absolutely brilliant. He rationalised it for me in a couple of ways.

1) - he explained to me that if I had broken my leg (due to too much stress on the bone) then I would go to hospital and they would plaster my leg, and it would take time to heal. So with my head. Too much stress and something in my head had broken. Difference being medical science was not sure how to fix it, as it was not visible, so harder to understand.

Still broken is broken. There is no quick fix; it takes time to heal.

It takes time.

It

Takes

Time... :rolleyes:

2) - He then explained to me how seratonin and adrenalin work. This was very important for my understanding of the medication involved and the underlying mechanics of depression.

Adrenalin and seratonin are partners in your brain, they are the equal and opposite of each other.

Each lives in its own little gland.

When the brain kicks into action, it requires help sometimes, so it calls for some chemical aid to add a boost. Adrenalin to genrally deal with bad stuff, seratonin to deal with good stuff (over simplified a bit!)

If it is for fight/flight the brain calls for adrenalin. The adrenalin is then released, and this is released into the brain and the body. The effect on the brain is to make it sharper, quicker, more primal. The effect on the body is to put your muscles into immediate readiness mode, ready at a moments notice to spring into action. When the musclkes have adrenalin pumped into them they are capable of giving more than 100% of their current capacity. The body can deliver more of what it has (including the brain).

This is known in biology as 'oxygen debt'. And it must be paid back. After the body has calmed down and you are at rest after the fight/flight, you will continue to breath and pant heavily, because your body is paying back the oxygen debt. You need time to rest. to recover from giving out more than your body actually had at that time.

This is an amazing feature of biology and cannot be found in engineering. Imagine a car running out of petrol? It stops. The body however can burn its own bodily matter (ie fat stored in muscles, and then when that is used up, its own muscles tissue can be converted into energy and used).

This all needs to be paid back.

If you exert for so long, and then rest. The body will recover and pay the debt back, by replacing the fat/tissue later on and restoring it to its previous level.

However - if you go beyond a tipping point, the body cannot easily repair itself and also operate day-to-day fundtionality at the same time, so it switches off, and you have a physical breakdown. You collapse.

After the fight/flight has finished the brain needs to tell the body to ease up and recover. It does this with seratonin, which has the opposite effect of adrenalin.

Seratonin is released, into the brain and the body. It has the effect of relaxing the muscles, so that they stop using energy and start storing it again.

It is also a pain killer. It is chemically similar to opiates, and after the adrenalin has been all nasty, it generates euphoria in the brain, to get you to sit back and relax and let your body recover.

What the brain does is ask for the same quantity of seratonin as adrenalin that was released to exactly counter it and restore to equilibrium.

However - if the adrenalin continues, due to prolonged/intense stress (either physical or mental, they both have the same physiological effects), the brain continues to ask for seratonin; the effects of seratonin do not work as well because because your refelexes continue to demand adrenalin due to the external stress; and the adrenalin overpowers the seratonin.

Then you are in trouble becasue the body may eventually run out of seratonin. It cannot release enough to counter the adrenalin, so you stay wired in your body and your brain.

For instance; if you have a reflex that demands a level 4 adrenalin response; the brain will later deliver a level 4 seratonin response.

Then under prolonged stress the adrenalin response climbs and climbs; till in the end after a level 10 adrenalin response, the seratonin response is trying to deliver 10 but can only manage a level 1 response.

THIS is the bilogical/physiological mechanism of depression; when the brain cannot even deliver enough seratonin to make you okay, let alone make you feel good.

You then cannot find any happiness in the world.

e.g. When you look at a cute kitten, under normal circumstances the brain delivers seratonin as a reward for something nice (the opposite to adrenalin being used for something nasty). You realx. You are calm. You are 'happy'.

When you are operating normally, the brain will give you seratonin (this is the same as a small dose of opium/heroin/ecstacy) and you will feel good and happy.

After a prolonged adrenalin response, the seratonin is dried up and you cant even look at a fluffy cute kitten and feel good about it! Your body remains operating under fight/flight conditions, and you remain stressed, on edge. This is why paranoia is a large feature of depression, because adrenalin is aprt of the primal fight/flight; your body is in primal readiness mode - so it is liek you are sat in a dark forest expecting an attack from something trying to eat you at any moment. You live in this mode all day, every day.

Nothing feels good.

this is the physiological basis for mental depression.

Even though it is psychological, it has its basis in cold hard physical biology.

This is why you will be prescribed medication. To artificaly reduce the adrenalin and bring your body (and therfore your brain and your mind) back down to natural rest levels.

This medication is an artificial seratonin 'gift'. (actually it is more complex than that. What actually happens, is when adrenalin is pumped out, seratonin is prevented from being released. When you are clinically depressed, adrenalin has become the nom, so seratonin is prevented from being released even if there is some in the tank. The medication is known as 'seratonin re-uptake inhibitors' - it stops the seratonin being prevented from being released, and it starts to drip out into you and you feel like you have just dropped an E!)

3) The doctor also rationalised depression as falling off a ladder. I had fallen off the bottom rung and was on the floor. The only way to get better was to take it slowly, and climb back up one rung at a time.

At the bottom of a deep dark chasm, (where youare now??) forget about getting all that way back up to ground level at once. There is no quick way back up. If you want to get better, just concentrate on making it up to the next rung in good time, do not rush. Just focus on the next rung up only, and slowly move up when you are ready and take your time and acclimatise to the next rung up before rushing on again. You will not get better unless you take it easy.

It

takes

time

From the floor, see if you can climb up to rung 9. Visualise it.

After my breakdown, it took me about 6 months to make it up to rung 9. (I found visualisations very useful. I can still see that ladder in my mind now!!).

Do not rush.

About another 6 months later, I realised I had made it up to rung 8. I was absolutely delighted!! I was even emailing friends to tell them that I was on rung 8 (they did not understand though they did support me. No one can understand unless they have been to the bottom of that chasm themselves and felt its suffocating blackness.)

(But then I made a mistake. I quickly ascended the ladder, and around rung 6 or 5, I took myself off the medication and rushed up to rung 1... then I fell back down! Because I had got too high too fast, I suddenly caught a glimpse of ground level and saw the shattered remains of my life and realised the sheer practical effort required to even begin to piece it back together so it kicked off a whole new round of depression - not caused by teh original events, but now caused because my life had turned to pulp in the intervening years!!! But at least I knew how to get back up this time and the process was smoother and quicker).

Going up this ladder is not easy, and it is not up all the way, when you get to the middle rungs you will come back down a rung or two sometimes... Sometimes you will want to go back to 8 or 9 because funnily enough they are comfortable down there... strangely...

You have TO WANT to get better. Then you can move up the rungs at a slow and steady pace.

It is good to have a friend. Especially someone who knows how it feels. Be careful though, I had a friend who i met at the bottom of the chasm; however she did not want to get better, so when I was moving up from rung 8 to rung 7, we fell out because she wanted me to stay down at rung 9!!!

This 'ladder' process/visualisations lasted 5 years practically to the day. I am 'better' now though I carry the scars to remind me of that time!

-------

Well, I hope you find some use in all of that. Just the benefit of my experience.

There is nothing I can say to you to make you 'feel' better, and you may notice I have not gone into your circumstances or the casues; I found it incredibly useful to understand the biological nd physiological mechanics of what was happening to me that helped me to understand why i could not cope with my head-space. You have to understand that your coping tools have been broken! You may find iut useful to find a doctor who know what tehy are talkign about who can describe this stuff to you.

i hope you find something of use to you, and that you can begin your journey. It is a painful one and a long one. And only you can walk it. I wish you well. Really I do.

It

takes

time

:cool:

ive dealt with those feelings for around a decade...you need an outlet. Idrew and wrote a lot in the first few years...also something agressive works like hitting things but not living things of course...invest in a punching bag. :D

Also with the medicine, if youre going to take it then NEVER stop! Starting/stopping meds like this over and over can mess your mind up even worse.

And this is good advice too... espcially finding a creative outlet and a physical outlet... Also - you must be v careful with these meds... they can be your friend AND your enemy at the same time...

And yeah - the key may be distraction therapy someone advised going for a walk or bike ride to where you never have before. This is good distraction therapy techniques, though if you are at the stage i think you are this will not heal you, but it will help to ease the pain by distracting you from it! Also yes, lots of funny DVDs, at least you may crack a smile along the way!

[tazika]

Timelord - I can't read all the text, just tell me this:

- you said "since last january" - did your suicidal thoughts came at once? One day they rushed in your head? Can you remember the very first time it happened to you?

Have you ever thought about the possibility of... how to say that... of some evil or lost entity that is visiting you? Are you member of some church - if yes: which one?

Can you connect that first attack of suicidal thoughts with something? With some person, something that happened to you, maybe some big loss in your life?
How does it look like - some force drags you to jump through the window, or you dream about hanging or what? How do you fight against it?

One attempt - how did you do it? Knife, pills...?

Does it come and go, or it is with you all the time?

...and other importaint details I haven't asked?
Can you connect it with anything?

importaint questions, Timelord!

[tracker]

Depression happens when we turn our anger at others back towards ourselves. That makes us feel unworthy, useless and like no one would miss us.

Depression is easier in many ways than dealing with the anger we feel for those we supposedly "love" or at situations that we can do nothing about.

Situational depression I think is the cause for most depression that is happening right now. People are so overwhelmed at the world around them, the world that tells us we are worthless unless we "have" all the things that make us important and have the "rank" (job) that makes us important. It's all silliness.

We are all beautiful souls you included. Try to find the source of your sadness and feelings of being "worthless" because those feeling may be strong but they are incorrect.

You don't deserve to have anger turned inward.. be kind to yourself, see the part of you that you are proud of, the little things. We all have things we are good at and those we stink at. Focus on the things you do well. Realize that you can nurture yourself and mostly realize you are a very important part of this world.

Every day you have a chance to change the world in little ways that will make it better, for you and for others.

Doctors don't give us the one thing that we need to help recover from depression and that is a different view of ourselves as the wonderful Beings that we are You are needed and important. You helped me just in making your post. It reminded me that I need to refocus a bit myself. :)

Thank you!

Dana


I totally agree with this ufochick and have seen you tell someone this before .

it is true ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^everything you say .:)

I have written threads to try and help folks who feel down , but none of them have the insight you have here .

:)

[ferret]

Herbal Plant Remedies : Herbs: St. John's Wort for Depression - YouTube



if u drink alcohol, then stop, it is a depressant. get out in the countryside and nature, recharge yourself. we all get down, i dont know my path in life im stuck in a house i dont wanna be in, but just take things 1 day at a time. goodluck to ya xx

[tracker]

Don't worry, I'm still here and reading.

My meds have been changed, which is a good thing. I have a lot of shit to go through in the next few weeks, serious shit, thats my challenge at the moment.


depression acts like a drug too .
the mind can become acustomed to the chemicals released during depression .

I have felt deeply depressed my self for about 5 years on the trott , so i know how it feels , it feels like an adiction .
its like not a day can go by with out the fix .

even though we dont like it , we tend to feel it a lot .
anything can set it off .
no different to a smoker who suddenly feels the need for a fag .

it is adictive .we dont recognise it as an adiction because we seldom asociate depression as chemicals .

but it is .

its not just the chemicals that dont help , but it is a large factor .

try eating more fish / tuna / and raw foods , that will soon wash out ya system .

try anything different to what you are doing or have been doing .

drugs for depression is a bad move IMO , it just keeps you happy until it stops working .

:)

[dunadan]

Been suffering from severe depression since last January, in August last year I was admitted to a psychiatric ward for 2.5 months and put on Trazodone.
This is effective to a degree, but I still have suicidal thoughts and indeed in November attempted to kill myself.
Any hints, tips, ideas to get me through this black hole that my mind is in?

Hi,

You may want to look at Phil Parker's website with reference to the Lightning Process - that would help to retrain your brain amongst other really great things!

All the best!

:)

[white horse]

depression acts like a drug too .
the mind can become acustomed to the chemicals released during depression .

I have felt deeply depressed my self for about 5 years on the trott , so i know how it feels , it feels like an adiction .
its like not a day can go by with out the fix .

even though we dont like it , we tend to feel it a lot .
anything can set it off .
no different to a smoker who suddenly feels the need for a fag .

it is adictive .we dont recognise it as an adiction because we seldom asociate depression as chemicals .

but it is .

its not just the chemicals that dont help , but it is a large factor .

try eating more fish / tuna / and raw foods , that will soon wash out ya system .

try anything different to what you are doing or have been doing .

drugs for depression is a bad move IMO , it just keeps you happy until it stops working .

:)

I agree actually... diet, and exercies, are absolutely key to state of mind...

[wink]

vernon woolf - the dance of life, is a book someone said was good.

[timelord]

Hi,

You may want to look at Phil Parker's website with reference to the Lightning Process - that would help to retrain your brain amongst other really great things!

All the best!

:)

Thanks for that, looking at it now.

[tazika]

...I still wait for Timelord to try answering my questions...
Of course I have experienced serious depressions in my life-that's why I read this- and they are past.
That's why I would like to help - I hate thinking that anyone on this globe feels as bad as I used to.

[dunadan]

Thanks for that, looking at it now.

You are very welcome.

When one retrains the brain, especially the subconcious, then one can move on to a better life:)

[michael_mac]

Been suffering from severe depression since last January, in August last year I was admitted to a psychiatric ward for 2.5 months and put on Trazodone.
This is effective to a degree, but I still have suicidal thoughts and indeed in November attempted to kill myself.
Any hints, tips, ideas to get me through this black hole that my mind is in?

I think you have to go back to childhood and uncover memories that could be causing you depression that are causing what your experiencing now. Someone may have already covered this - but I think it's important! In this life there is no point where we stop learning as human beings. The will is a very sensitive thing and if it is damaged in childhood by bad parenting it can lead to adult depression. Also abuse and so on.

[mauviene]

First question to ask yourself is..

Are you living with or by your parents? And..what is your relationship with your family..

Because if you hold any beliefs that are out of their framework..they will not hesitate to psychically attack you and destroy you..

[timelord]

I think you have to go back to childhood and uncover memories that could be causing you depression that are causing what your experiencing now. Someone may have already covered this - but I think it's important! In this life there is no point where we stop learning as human beings. The will is a very sensitive thing and if it is damaged in childhood by bad parenting it can lead to adult depression. Also abuse and so on.

Oh a lot of that - a lot of anger, a lack of self esteem due to bullying from a father and awful experiences at school. However, I seem to be a bully magnet and work have just been at bad, or rather the employer I spent a great deal of time at.

[timelord]

Timelord - I can't read all the text, just tell me this:

- you said "since last january" - did your suicidal thoughts came at once? One day they rushed in your head? Can you remember the very first time it happened to you?

Yes, I was driving along a part of the road which has a bridge that goes over a by-pass. I thought about stopping and jumping off. Simple as.
I had spent months by that time crying going to work, crying come back from work, crying whilst doing my business around work. Too much pain.

Have you ever thought about the possibility of... how to say that... of some evil or lost entity that is visiting you? Are you member of some church - if yes: which one?

No and never have been a member of any church. As for possession? Who knows.


Can you connect that first attack of suicidal thoughts with something? With some person, something that happened to you, maybe some big loss in your life?

Not so much life, just a life thats very complicated, and where literally I had no where to turn too. No one was listening.


How does it look like - some force drags you to jump through the window, or you dream about hanging or what? How do you fight against it?

One attempt - how did you do it? Knife, pills...?


Sometimes I try and change my thoughts, sometimes they come back strongly. My emotions are in utter turmoil, my coping mechanisms shot.

I took 30 paracetemol tablets, but I was found and rushed to hospital. I had not wished to be found.


Does it come and go, or it is with you all the time?

...and other importaint details I haven't asked?
Can you connect it with anything?

importaint questions, Timelord!

At the moment its with me a great deal. Attempting suicide was the easiest thing in the world when you pass the 'wall' that stops you 99% of the time from going ahead. Will I do it again? I can't answer that question honestly that I won't.

[timelord]

First question to ask yourself is..

Are you living with or by your parents? And..what is your relationship with your family..

Because if you hold any beliefs that are out of their framework..they will not hesitate to psychically attack you and destroy you..

At the moment I am living with my sister and not with my wife, who can't cope with me being like this at the moment.

[dunadan]

Thanks for that, looking at it now.

Hi, You may want to look into other issues as well.

I know I have mentioned such on here before yet, it is very important for ones spiritual, physical and mental health.

Find a friendly local dowser (have a look under the British Society of Dowers or The Leyhunters) find a dowser who knows about geopathic-stress as well as dowsing for other Leys etc.

If you have geopathic-stress in your home it will not be helping you!

Some dowsers charge more than others - so shop around - also find someone that you have an affinity with.

There are devices that can help with geoptahic-stress if you wish - yet a good starting point is to get your dwelling space checked out - many dowsers have their own ways in either stopping or disappating such energies. It is only if one keeps experiencing different energies that such devices may be needed.

The knowledge of geopathic-stress is not a new thing and one can liken its effects to Radon Gas in the way in which geopathic-stress can creep into a home, whilst geopathic-stress is not radio-active it can seep into one's home and affect one in many ways - one of which is depression (amongst other extreme emotions).

If you - and your dowser - dont find geopathic stress or any Leys which could be harmful to your health (everyone is different) - then that is something else ticked off of the list - so to speak.

:)

[mauviene]

At the moment I am living with my sister and not with my wife, who can't cope with me being like this at the moment.

That explains it..

[mikelambert]

Been suffering from severe depression since last January, in August last year I was admitted to a psychiatric ward for 2.5 months and put on Trazodone.
This is effective to a degree, but I still have suicidal thoughts and indeed in November attempted to kill myself.
Any hints, tips, ideas to get me through this black hole that my mind is in?

Your severe depression started last January. Has depression always been there but on a lesser scale, or did it arrive out of the blue as severe last January?
If you don't want to discuss it on line you can mail me at shen@post.com if you wish.

[timelord]

Your severe depression started last January. Has depression always been there but on a lesser scale, or did it arrive out of the blue as severe last January?
If you don't want to discuss it on line you can mail me at shen@post.com if you wish.

Hi, I think depression has already been there Mike, I think what i mean is that this bout, the most severe I've ever had, started in January, with a lot of triggers going off in my head due to work / home life etc.

[mauviene]

Hi, I think depression has already been there Mike, I think what i mean is that this bout, the most severe I've ever had, started in January, with a lot of triggers going off in my head due to work / home life etc.

Yea your ego is going crazy because of the info it knows whilst it is placed in the situation...

The biggest factor is probably your home life..I would try to get the hell away from all your family members asap if I where you..thats what caused mine..

Or you could realize that you don't exist..which is much easier

[timelord]

Yea your ego is going crazy because of the info it knows whilst it is placed in the situation...

The biggest factor is probably your home life..I would try to get the hell away from all your family members asap if I where you..thats what caused mine..

Or you could realize that you don't exist..which is much easier

No the contrary, I want to go home, I need to go home. Home life is complicated, stressful due to certain things, but not in the way you are thinking. Work had not been sympathetic to my needs, knowing my home life issues which added to my stress and anxiety that probably turned into full scale severe depression. At least thats how I read it.

[tazika]

I think about you, Timelord.
You are a bully-magnet, you say. You must be some fine person, it is easy to bully nice people who wan't fight back. Look how many people came to your question!
If I would be your neighbour, I would pick you up and take you to the church.
You said: "posession... who knows?", therefore I think you haven't said a big NO! to this possibility.
I had days and years like yours are. At home bullied, not loved, not wished child. My heart was full of wounds. As years were passing, I developed some feeling that somebody-something-is feeding with my pain. Few times came to me some unknown people, asking me wheather i believe in (psychical) vampires, evil spirits... if I would start talking with them, maybe my "depressions" would last shorter! But if they would start to tell me stuff like I am telling to you now, possibly I would tell them they are crazy!

I feel that you are a good lunch to hungry spirits just as I was. Somehow they feed with our suffering, possibly they create them as well (for example they make war, and then gather for food!)
Well now I maybe sound mad... when my pain got too big I went to the psychiatrist and he gave me to try few different anti-depression pills. I felt "better" only in a sense that I was a bit drugged, but my pain was untouched by the medicaments.
If you know for some pentekosts, you can go to them for a "check up" for evil spirits, no matter if you are not baptized. Ask them to put hands above you and to pray, so you can be sure if you have them or not. Every priest of every christian church should do that as well as every christian, but they don't know that they can. So go only if you know that they have this power.

Or you can borrow or buy the book... wait, I'll look for it - yes that's the book:

Deliverance from Evil Spirits: A Practical Manual
by Francis MacNutt
$11.55

I think you will find your type of suffering on the same place as I found mine: amongst those that had psychical wounds, and one day some hungry spirit rushed into it and it diggs and makes it bleed since then... you'll find a good description of a type of spirit that forces you to make suicide. And ways of getting rid of them, of course.

Happy reading!
Recognize them and beat them!!!

[phemohilia]

wtf?


Bahhahahahaha, I thought the same fucking thing!!! :D

[jamesdean]

timelord, being on medication for these types of problems is a big illusion.

Meds simply mask the problem and do not solve the underlying issues.

I was diagnosed at one stage with depression, ocd, adhd and tourettes and placed on meds.

The meds made me feel lethargic and like a zombie.

I only started improving when I visited a guy called Dominic Knight (look him up on google) who explained that there is no such thing as ocd, bdd, bi-polar, these are simply 'labels' put on people by society.

He explained my unconscious mind had been taught to think in a negative way which is why I always had 'inner sadness' even when I tried to conciously be happy.

After a few sessions with him, my problems decreased 80%+, I came off my meds, and never experienced ANY SIDE EFFECTS.

Dom had basically started the process of permanently changing my subconscious thinking patterns.

I became more happier in my everyday existence, and even started doing things I would never dream of doing before (i.e. approaching good looking women in clubs!!!)

After a few months of self-hypnosis (to permanently embed the new behaviours in my mind) and through proactively reading a book called Psycho Cybernetics (which teaches you the importance of making changes at a conscious level) I can honestly say I am truly happy with my life, and the ocd, adhd, depression is truly a thing of the past.

[tazika]

Yes, Timelord: of this few different med I was taking I just had nasty side-effects. For beeing drugged from them: it is zombie-feeling, nothing of any value. If only I have been at some good drugs then, those of opiat type, it would be much better. I will NEVER take any psychiatrist medicine in my life, whatever happens!!!
This med are so evil that when you stop taking them starts bad, bad time, worse then the times before them.

As for my "inner sadness" - it was NOT MINE. When Catholic priest put his hands above my head, that sadness cried throuh my mouth (I recognized it) and rushed out of me, and never came back. That's why I asked you if you know some good Christian beliveres to do the same for you.
I hate the thought that anybody suffers like I did!!!

[jamesdean]

Tazika what you experienced was a hallucination pal.

The truth is, everyone who lives experiences downsides, that is called living LIFE.

No one is 100% happy all the time, don't let anyone fool you otherwise, it's part and parcel of the human condition.

Only through re-programming the unconscious and through concsious thought control can happiness be maintained.

[tazika]

jamesdean - it's called egzorcizam, and it is quite a common thing nowadays. If someone reacts on a special prayer in a way that other personality overtakes him, and he starts to talk in some old foreign language he couldn't possibly know, and later translation sees that it's talk was logical, then it is not person's unconscious self.
My case was far from beeing so atractive, but I was only one case in a group and I've seen it just in front of my eyes.
Egzorcizam is delivering a person from evil forces ORDERING him to go out in the name of the church. What I've experienced is called called praying, but it works as well.
Later I've checked in a lot of books what happened then, and all of them were telling the same. Did you know that for last decade or so there are many congresses with psychiatrists and egzorcists? (In Europe, I don't know for other continents) Psychiatrists had seen that in many cases of "depression" and mental ilnesses it was some evil force mobbing the person, and also egzorcists see that some of the "posessions" are mental ilnesses. It's scientifically prooven so many times that I don't have to proove anything, I am just saying the facts.
As for me, when I came to my psychiatrist and told him that I will never come to him again, because I had one extremely sad and suicidal ghost in me and now he's gone, he-even he is atheist and scientist-said that it is the only logical explanation of my case and he thru my papers in the box of patients who don't come anymore to him. And so it stayed - from that day I've never felt any of those sad sucidal feelings that tortured me before and were not mine.
Now I've wrote too much, and I am in a hurry so I can't check it - maybe I sound... weird? I had to help timelord, because I recognized some of his bad feelings (that were) in me and now I'm free of them. In many books - one I've offered to Timelord - you have questions that you can ask yourself to see if you are tortured by some evil ghost or not (I am NOT talking about posessions!!! That's something else, don't mix this with posessions!), wheather you should go to the chrisitians for a further check-up and later liberation. I asked some of those questions and timelord answered as if some victim of unfisical "evil" (possibly just sad and suicidal) would answer.

Should I send this post or just delete it? I really want no dirty comments on this. I just wished that timelord takes this as one of the possibilities of his pain, I wish timelord to live better life. That's what drives me and my comments, nothing else. Now I have to go, sorry

Please don't take me wrong

[jamesdean]

You do know that through hypnosis and tapping into the superconscious you can learn a new language extremely quickly?

Are you claiming you are 100% happy everyday now? Because if so, then that is obvious BS.

[jesusistruth]

Been suffering from severe depression since last January, in August last year I was admitted to a psychiatric ward for 2.5 months and put on Trazodone.
This is effective to a degree, but I still have suicidal thoughts and indeed in November attempted to kill myself.
Any hints, tips, ideas to get me through this black hole that my mind is in?

For the fun of it, let go of your life. Don't think about the future, what you are going to do. Have some 'faith' that you don't have to think everything in advance.

And you can listen to this guy.

Napoleon Hill talks about his meeting with Andrew Carnegie - YouTube

If you're still having suicidal thoughts, just ask yourself, why the hurry?

jamesdean, being 100% happy every day is natural. People are sad because they are lost in their ignorant minds.

[mikelambert]

timelord, being on medication for these types of problems is a big illusion.

Meds simply mask the problem and do not solve the underlying issues.

I was diagnosed at one stage with depression, ocd, adhd and tourettes and placed on meds.

The meds made me feel lethargic and like a zombie.

I only started improving when I visited a guy called Dominic Knight (look him up on google) who explained that there is no such thing as ocd, bdd, bi-polar, these are simply 'labels' put on people by society.

He explained my unconscious mind had been taught to think in a negative way which is why I always had 'inner sadness' even when I tried to conciously be happy.

After a few sessions with him, my problems decreased 80%+, I came off my meds, and never experienced ANY SIDE EFFECTS.

Dom had basically started the process of permanently changing my subconscious thinking patterns.

I became more happier in my everyday existence, and even started doing things I would never dream of doing before (i.e. approaching good looking women in clubs!!!)

After a few months of self-hypnosis (to permanently embed the new behaviours in my mind) and through proactively reading a book called Psycho Cybernetics (which teaches you the importance of making changes at a conscious level) I can honestly say I am truly happy with my life, and the ocd, adhd, depression is truly a thing of the past.

I think what you say makes a lot of sense in some cases. - Last week the drug Co-Proxamol (pain killer) was banned. Why? because it was found to be a cause of depression and suicidal thoughts. A close friend of mine was given this drug in the early 90's and I called for an investigation into its contribution to his severe depression and thoughts. However, there are so many factors associated with these sorts of symptoms, and I am touched by the willingness of people on this site to show concern.

[anna]

Dear Timelord,

I am so truly sorry for what you are experiencing. I just want to leave the name of a book. I don't know that you would be open to reading it since the subject is not something that doctors accept or even other people. It is written by a psychiatrist, Shakuntala Modi, the book is REMARKABLE HEALINGS, A Psychiatrist Discovers Unsuspected Roots of Mental and Physical Illness. She discovered something quite by accident when she was using hypnosis on some of her patients to help get to the root of their problems. Not only was she surprised when her patients started talking about seeing themselves in a past life, when they went to the root of their problem, but she also discovered the existence of possessing entities - at least her patients, while under hypnosis, discovered the possessing entities. Dr. Modi was also able to converse with the entities through her patients.

The point of this book is to let people know that many mental illnesses seem to have possessing entities as the cause AND also that once these entities can be released the patient recovers completely. Possessing entities can cause depression, anxiety, physical sickness, make people commit suicide and every other phobia or obsession. Once the possessing entities were released her patients completely recovered from their depression, phobias, obsessions and returned to a normal happy life.

I can attest from personal experience that thoughts and feelings from other entities DO feel just like your emotions and your thoughts. I was only in the hospital for 7 days. They called what I had "audible hallucinations". I was hearing thoughts coming into my head (I called it a voice), but I wasn't thinking the thoughts, I was only listening. It took me a year to finally tell my family what had really happened to me and that's when I found out that they also thought it had been some kind of possession.

I very much hope that you recover soon and there are a lot of people on here hoping the same thing for you.

[highcastle88]

I would not presume to guess at the root causes of a complete strangers suicidal intentions. But if it helps at all, here's almost an hour with Carl Jung:

Face to face with Carl Jung - Part 1 of 4 - YouTube

[wink]

this was posted on another thread (by me) :)

i think it applies here aswell, didnt want to appear lazy by posting one one but not another, so here it be..

I think this is useful! I have been through mental health and drugs/depression, an i find when am have been involved in these aspects of life, i become a thinker - i like philosophy, one of the reasons i am here! HOWEVER, the aspect of existence neglected during these scenarios was is physicality. The physicality is a vehicle, containing its own unique and individual information systems, so to anyone on the mental health train, marijiuana culture or depression - go for a walk and breathe some of natures life giving air.

Please be well man, you are now officially on a journey, good luck, see you in nirvana!