Abomination of Desolation

[octopusrex]

If I am not mistaken:

For the prophecies to come true, two things must occur:

1. The Temple of Solomon must be rebuilt.
2. The Abomination of Desolation must be placed inside it.

Only the Demagogue can do such a thing. What if he refused to do it?

[orlibonurb]

1. Yes and Freemasonry is working hard on that. Working for the Papacy / Jesuits.

2. The "Abomination of Desolation" is the Antichrist character who will be totally possessed by Satan and rule the coming 1 world government from the rebuilt temple in Jerusalem, deceiving humanity with "great wonders and signs" saying he is God, when he is actually the opposite. He will eventually demand worship via "mark of the beast", and we can already see that taking place if you have in count the coming global economic collapse, Satan wants a cashless society to install the microchip in order to detect who will worship him and who will not and therefore be killed / martyred.


Revelation {13:15} And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. {13:16} And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: {13:17} And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.


All end-times prophecies are coming alive since Israel's reborn as a nation in 1948 (one generation shall not pass away till all be fulfilled).

Psalms {90:10} The days of our years [are] threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength [they be] fourscore years, yet [is] their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.

[tannah]

All end-times prophecies are coming alive since Israel's reborn as a nation in 1948 (one generation shall not pass away till all be fulfilled).

[/I]

Why doesn't that surprise me? But what does it have to do with God?
All it confirms for me is that there's a definate agenda, and it's even hidden under our very noses.

[freeman craig]

[QUOTE=orlibonurb;1058539532]1. Yes and Freemasonry is working hard on that. Working for the Papacy / Jesuits. QUOTE]

It will be in the wrong place the temple of solomon was in Egpyt. The Israelites were the hykos pharoahs of lower egypt the shepard kings. The jews have no claim to today's israel and have no right to be there. Its a massive scandal along with thier war crimes against the palestinian people. the truth will out some day and i look forward to them being tried for thier crimes against humanity.

[orlibonurb]

Why doesn't that surprise me? But what does it have to do with God?
All it confirms for me is that there's a definate agenda, and it's even hidden under our very noses.


John {14:29} And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=96081

[octopusrex]

To build a temple, you have to bring down a Mosque.:D

[octopusrex]

Orli, have you any clue how sad it would be to know that in order for Humanity's saviour to arrive you first have to pave the way?

[freeman craig]

2. The "Abomination of Desolation" is the Antichrist character who will be totally possessed by Satan and rule the coming 1 world government from the rebuilt temple in Jerusalem, deceiving humanity with "great wonders and signs" saying he is God, when he is actually the opposite. He will eventually demand worship via "mark of the beast", and we can already see that taking place if you have in count the coming global economic collapse, Satan wants a cashless society to install the microchip in order to detect who will worship him and who will not and therefore be killed / martyred.

Thats very close to now everything is all in place and ready to go. Im certain there will either be another false flag terrorist attack or a delibrate virus outbreak or the total collapse of the dollar something like that this will give the government a excuse to implement martial law and chip people. All the laws that are needed to pull this off have all ready been put in by clinton and bush. You really need to know your enemy its not going to be one antichrist figure its a group of the power elite using the public figures as puppets. If you dont plan properly for this and just wait for christ to save you your going end up in the fema camps and i dread to think whats gonna happen to you all. I beg you not to be victims of this and wake up to reality this shit is real.

[freeman craig]

also the total destruction of damascas which in the gospel it refers it as the oldest city is getting closer. If we pick on Iran and syria then the shit really hit the fan and probably cause ww3 we really cant let this happen. In the UK they are prepared for rioting in the streets im just not sure what be the cause of this yet there seems a few options that could be the trigger.

[orlibonurb]

2. The "Abomination of Desolation" is the Antichrist character who will be totally possessed by Satan and rule the coming 1 world government from the rebuilt temple in Jerusalem, deceiving humanity with "great wonders and signs" saying he is God, when he is actually the opposite. He will eventually demand worship via "mark of the beast", and we can already see that taking place if you have in count the coming global economic collapse, Satan wants a cashless society to install the microchip in order to detect who will worship him and who will not and therefore be killed / martyred.

Thats very close to now everything is all in place and ready to go. Im certain there will either be another false flag terrorist attack or a delibrate virus outbreak or the total collapse of the dollar something like that this will give the government a excuse to implement martial law and chip people. All the laws that are needed to pull this off have all ready been put in by clinton and bush. You really need to know your enemy its not going to be one antichrist figure its a group of the power elite using the public figures as puppets. If you dont plan properly for this and just wait for christ to save you your going end up in the fema camps and i dread to think whats gonna happen to you all. I beg you not to be victims of this and wake up to reality this shit is real.

Yes, you are right. Everything is into place.

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Yes, there will be another false flag attack, it really is just a matter of time. It'll be so great that it'll make 9/11 look like it never even happened. The collapse of the economy is a must do, and it seems like 2010 will be the year everything will turn around (for the worst). Not many people are waking up worldwide, in fact - most are still in a deep, profound sleep.

I know God is in control, and by God I mean the one and only living God, Christ Jesus of Nazareth. The new world order won't last long, and yes - the coming Antichrist will make Hitler look like a kindergarten princess.

Continuining, the coming war in the middle east (which was also prophesied in the Bible to happen in the "last days") will pave the way for the 3rd world war, oil shortages, which will lead to the full economic collapse, food shortages and their (not so) new world order. Not necessarily in this order, but if they pull it all at the same time, then it'll be game over for everyone.

I am not worried for a single moment about this and I follow the news everyday, can see it coming and at a very fast pace, then again - it's all in the Bible, not surprised. I'm more worried about the unsaved souls. Not with the coming new world disorder where we will see massive riots everywhere. Ordo ad Chao.


edit: see the video I posted, and guess what ? The river euphrates drying up was also prophesied in the Bible to happen in the last days. Am I surprised with all this which is happening ? Not a single bit. Anyone who understands "last days Biblical prophecies" already knew this would happen.

It's all coming togheter, and all prophesied in the Bible.

1. War in the middle east

2. Rebuilt of the third temple where the last fuhrer (the Antichrist possessed by Satan) will fool the world and declare himself to be god.

3. World economy collapse giving place to a, most likely, cashless society / introduction of the microchip.

4. One world government.

5. Israel's reborn as a nation (1948).

and so on and so forth.

The next false flag terrorist event will be way too big. They have to pull it out in one hand. Probably several nukes released in various global cities ?! Who knows how it'll be, but it'll happen.


It reminds me of what Albert Pike, that Satan possessed 33rd degree Freemason, said:

"We shall unleash the Nihilists and Atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will be from that moment without compass (direction), anxious for an ideal, but with out knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view, a manifestation which will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time" - (William Guy Carr, Pawns in the Game, p. xv-xvi).

[freeman craig]

will you promise me this though your preachers say the rapture will happen before all this shit happens. So if this shit does happen and no one has been caught up by jesus then it isnt gonna happen. this is the final battle of good vs evil and we all need to come together all races all religions and fight tooth and nail against it. dont wait for the cavalry we are the cavalry its are battle we created this world its our test.

[orlibonurb]

will you promise me this though your preachers say the rapture will happen before all this shit happens. So if this shit does happen and no one has been caught up by jesus then it isnt gonna happen. this is the final battle of good vs evil and we all need to come together all races all religions and fight tooth and nail against it. dont wait for the cavalry we are the cavalry its are battle we created this world its our test.

When I say none of this will happen before the rapture, I mean the Antichrist signing a (false) peace treaty with Israel and other global nations. The Antichrist is someone who is alive and well in the political system at the moment, but he will not be revealed until the Church of Jesus Christ is raptured out of here.

It doesn't mean we won't have to face some problems, like seeing a huge false flag attack. It is likely, we just don't know, one thing we are sure - we won't be here to see the last Fuhrer and the second inquisition.

Oh, and it's not a "good vs evil" battle. It's the good absolutely crushing evil.

We are now at a point where the rapture can happen at any time, after that you'll see what a world without God is. You'll see the new world order, and most likely be "invited" to a FEMA camp.

I think 2010 will be THE year we'll see something huge coming to us. See the two videos I posted in the last reply about the Jewish temple by the way, heavy stuff.

[freeman craig]

lol just watched your vid. the altar would be in the center of the temple called the holy of holy's were the ark was said to be placed. the first stone to be laid will be the foundation stone in the corner. Thats not the start of the 3rd temple its just a small handful of zionist trying make claim to a land that isnt thiers.

[orlibonurb]

It's talking about the third temple. Edited the post with a second video by the way.

[freeman craig]

When I say none of this will happen before the rapture, I mean the Antichrist signing a (false) peace treaty with Israel and other global nations. The Antichrist is someone who is alive and well in the political system at the moment, but he will not be revealed until the Church of Jesus Christ is raptured out of here.

It doesn't mean we won't have to face some problems, like seeing a huge false flag attack. It is likely, we just don't know, one thing we are sure - we won't be here to see the last Fuhrer and the second inquisition.

Oh, and it's not a "good vs evil" battle. It's the good absolutely crushing evil.

We are now at a point where the rapture can happen at any time, after that you'll see what a world without God is. You'll see the new world order, and most likely be "invited" to a FEMA camp. I think 2010 will be THE year we'll see something huge coming to us. See the two videos I posted in the last reply about the Jewish temple by the way, heavy stuff.



like i have said to you before i have studied evanglist beliefs and its quite clear that the rapture will take you all up so you dont have to go through these bad times thats the whole point of it. You will have to come to some point when all this starts to happen and realise well maybe the rapture isnt gonna happen and will have join in on the fight. by all means belive in it now BUT remember what i said in the future, maybe its our fight we have to do this ourselves this is our test our battle. When will you accept this when your in a fema camp by then its too late.

[freeman craig]

jewish temple building has a very certain process foundation stone first. they can call it what they want on the vid its not gonna be the third temple. It will also have to be on the exact site of the second temple i can only see this happening with the destruction of the dome of the rock either by terriost attack or from bombing in the war against Iran. Good chance that if a war does kick off the jews will bomb the mosque and blame the iranians that seems the usual government tatic. Like i said in the previous post solomon's temple was is in egypt not sure if that relevent in any way maybe they didnt know that when the new testament was written over a 1000 years after solomon. saying that gospel of st john is a gnostic text and that sect went to eygpt after fleeing israel in ad 60 so i think they should of known

[orlibonurb]

like i have said to you before i have studied evanglist beliefs and its quite clear that the rapture will take you all up so you dont have to go through these bad times thats the whole point of it. You will have to come to some point when all this starts to happen and realise well maybe the rapture isnt gonna happen and will have join in on the fight. by all means belive in it now BUT remember what i said in the future, maybe its our fight we have to do this ourselves this is our test our battle. When will you accept this when your in a fema camp by then its too late.

All saved and born-again Christians have something that guarantees us of the truth.

The Holy Spirit inside each and everyone of us.

John {15:26} But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: {15:27} And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.


Testimonies of what I'm talking about here,

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=97708

That's how we know the Bible is the inspired Word of the living God, and that's how we know who the living God is. Not only because we are seeing the "last days Biblical prophecies" coming true, but the Holy Spirit inside every saved / born-again Christian testifies of the Most High. I don't go to bed at night or wake up in the morning having a single doubt about the future. Not a single doubt. I don't go on "hoping God really exists", I know for a fact who the one and only living God is - because the Holy Spirit testifies of it. John 15:26

[tannah]

Yes, you are right. Everything is into place.

****Breaking News Video: The Temple Institute building the 3RD temple ALTAR!!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3Xaf0_avjE

A Muslim leader wants a 3rd Jewish Temple?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5qAV9Ec_T8


Yes, there will be another false flag attack, it really is just a matter of time. It'll be so great that it'll make 9/11 look like it never even happened. The collapse of the economy is a must do, and it seems like 2010 will be the year everything will turn around (for the worst). Not many people are waking up worldwide, in fact - most are still in a deep, profound sleep.

I know God is in control, and by God I mean the one and only living God, Christ Jesus of Nazareth. The new world order won't last long, and yes - the coming Antichrist will make Hitler look like a kindergarten princess.

Continuining, the coming war in the middle east (which was also prophesied in the Bible to happen in the "last days") will pave the way for the 3rd world war, oil shortages, which will lead to the full economic collapse, food shortages and their (not so) new world order. Not necessarily in this order, but if they pull it all at the same time, then it'll be game over for everyone.

I am not worried for a single moment about this and I follow the news everyday, can see it coming and at a very fast pace, then again - it's all in the Bible, not surprised. I'm more worried about the unsaved souls. Not with the coming new world disorder where we will see massive riots everywhere. Ordo ad Chao.


edit: see the video I posted, and guess what ? The river euphrates drying up was also prophesied in the Bible to happen in the last days. Am I surprised with all this which is happening ? Not a single bit. Anyone who understands "last days Biblical prophecies" already knew this would happen.

It's all coming togheter, and all prophesied in the Bible.

1. War in the middle east

2. Rebuilt of the third temple where the last fuhrer (the Antichrist possessed by Satan) will fool the world and declare himself to be god.

3. World economy collapse giving place to a, most likely, cashless society / introduction of the microchip.

4. One world government.

5. Israel's reborn as a nation (1948).

and so on and so forth.

The next false flag terrorist event will be way too big. They have to pull it out in one hand. Probably several nukes released in various global cities ?! Who knows how it'll be, but it'll happen.


It reminds me of what Albert Pike, that Satan possessed 33rd degree Freemason, said:

"We shall unleash the Nihilists and Atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will be from that moment without compass (direction), anxious for an ideal, but with out knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view, a manifestation which will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time" - (William Guy Carr, Pawns in the Game, p. xv-xvi).

It's been a long time since I innocently thought "wow, God is making all this happen". Now it's obvious that it isn't God's plan that we are seeing evolving. In fact, why shouldn't the rapture claim really be part of the population culling agenda anyway? What if you're the first fools they eat?

Sure we had ww2. Nothing to do with Hitler eh, but just a necessity to make God plan happen. You see Orli, you do require to take the side of these elites
when you say it fits in with God's agenda.

With no God popping out of the sky to bring about the completion of Revelation, where do you think this will leave humanity?

If things are going to get so bad that one's life is very much in danger, then we will see how much of a waking effect it has on humanity.

Orli, you worship the "satanic" agenda man and you don't even know it. To get the little bit of cheese at the end, you have to tread all the way through Revelation. No cheese is there as far as I'm concerned, why believe the darkness? They have the energy they need through blind fanatics like yourself.

You can say it will will will will will happen, but there is as much chance of that as the universe really being 6000 years old, or that Jehovah really did commit things like genocide, or that God really was behind the Nicean agenda, or that no other religion and book has any clue but the bible does, given its origins.


The ptb don't have the power. They obtain it through deception. As someone else just mentioned, the path a Jesus would have walked was an inner path to the kingdom of God. That's our hope, not some ancient "Eastenders" like script that takes away our power to defeat deception.

What's happening in this world is an animal thing. Leaders have people's needs to think about. They fight for contracts, energy supplies and strategic positioning of forces.

There's some fucked up people who have carried on with the old beliefs, and they probably do think they are serving such and such a god, or that their spells actually have power. But really, they're just animals with greedy desires and the only power they have is that wankers like us believe in these myths so much that we let these people scare us, and we accept their systems.

God is tied directly into Nature. Those that are fighting for this planet, and calling for less animalistic attitudes and more spiritual ones, they are the one's doing God's will. Labels mean fuck all.....and little babies like yourself Orli would do God and this planet a great favour if you mentally grew up a little bit more and do your bit for humanity and the planet, and in so doing serving God at the same time.

[freeman craig]

All saved and born-again Christians have something that guarantees us of the truth.

its called neuro linguistic programming and im deadly serious i just hope your preachers dont get you commit mass suicide and call it a rapture as im sure alot of you would and that would be tragic

[tannah]

All saved and born-again Christians have something that guarantees us of the truth.

its called neuro linguistic programming and im deadly serious i just hope your preachers dont get you commit mass suicide and call it a rapture as im sure alot of you would and that would be tragic

I've been wondering about that. also, some of these fanatics would not think twice if they thought God was telling them to kill for sake of wiping out the remaining reptiles, for example!

[freeman craig]

I've been wondering about that. also, some of these fanatics would not think twice if they thought God was telling them to kill for sake of wiping out the remaining reptiles, for example!

you can see it happening though cant you the rapture doesnt happen the shit is hitting the fan the only way to be at jesus's right hand is to give up your material body and go and join him, if you stay here you will be serving under satan. I can almost hear the preachers now i really really honestly fear for them.

[orlibonurb]

I've been wondering about that. also, some of these fanatics would not think twice if they thought God was telling them to kill for sake of wiping out the remaining reptiles, for example!


The living God (Jesus Christ) commands us to love one another.

John {13:34} A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. {13:35} By this shall all [men] know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.


you can see it happening though cant you the rapture doesnt happen the shit is hitting the fan the only way to be at jesus's right hand is to give up your material body and go and join him, if you stay here you will be serving under satan. I can almost hear the preachers now i really really honestly fear for them.

Not worried. Me and the hundreds of millions of true born-again Christians throughout the world. I do worry and feel bad for the unsaved.

Now, don't take me wrong. By saying I'm not worried it doesn't mean I don't go around and try to wake up as many people as possible to what's coming around the corner (new world DISorder). I send as much information as I can to all my friends.

[freeman craig]

in fact isnt that the end results of all apocalyptic cults in the past mass suicides

[tannah]

Not worried. Me and the hundreds of millions of true born-again Christians throughout the world. I do worry and feel bad for the unsaved.

Unsaved from what Orli? Why can't God rapture the vast majortity of people, and come down to confront the very few that you say are pure evil? Becuase I really do have a problem with God's favouritism here. It's an insult to say that someone like you gets saved (who thinks he's saved and others not), and a really spiritual person gets left behind as unsaved. I don't think you've spent any time thinking about the whole matter.

[orlibonurb]

Unsaved from what Orli? Why can't God rapture the vast majortity of people, and come down to confront the very few that you say are pure evil? Becuase I really do have a problem with God's favouritism here. It's an insult to say that someone like you gets saved (who thinks he's saved and others not), and a really spiritual person gets left behind as unsaved. I don't think you've spent any time thinking about the whole matter.

No, he loves as all equal. The problem is sin, not man and woman.

We all just need to be washed from our depraved sinful nature. The Holy Spirit will take care of that for anyone who will call out on Jesus.

It's not something you can do for yourself. It is something which was done for you and me at the cross, with the death and resurrection of Jesus. He died for all our sins. This is the free gift of salvation.

Ephesians {2:8} For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: {2:9} Not of works, lest any man should boast.


in fact isnt that the end results of all apocalyptic cults in the past mass suicides

?

[clachan]

you can see it happening though cant you the rapture doesnt happen the shit is hitting the fan the only way to be at jesus's right hand is to give up your material body and go and join him, if you stay here you will be serving under satan. I can almost hear the preachers now i really really honestly fear for them.

Never fear,Clachans here:D

You mean like Rev.Jimmy Jones or some other nutjob?
I fear for them too,we must be careful no man decieves us,we must look at the developing situation and apply sound common sense.

First thing,if you assume you are goimg to be raptured, and fail to prepare knowing full well where we,re heading,then this is BIG MISTAKE No 1.

Dont trust anyone else,especially a preacher !

[clachan]

in fact isnt that the end results of all apocalyptic cults in the past mass suicides

Should be quite the opposite imo.

[freeman craig]

the end result of most apocalyptic cults in the past is mass suicide

[tannah]

No, he loves as all equal.

I'd like to think so too.

The problem is sin, not man and woman.

The problem is how you judge your own perceptions of sin. "Hate sin by not hating the sinner". And if you had ears to hear you'd know that means God isn't leaving anyone behind, nor balancing life on some rather pointless plan.

We all just need to be washed from our depraved sinful nature. The Holy Spirit will take care of that for anyone who will call out on Jesus.

Call in Orli, call in.


It's not something you can do for yourself.

It's vital if you actually do want to experience this "heaven".


It is something which was done for you and me at the cross, with the death and resurrection of Jesus. He died for all our sins. This is the free gift of salvation.

It's not a free gift if there's a price tag on it, and that price tag is hell....so please stop BS me about this.

[freeman craig]

Never fear,Clachans here:D

You mean like Rev.Jimmy Jones or some other nutjob?
I fear for them too,we must be careful no man decieves us,we must look at the developing situation and apply sound common sense.

First thing,if you assume you are goimg to be raptured, and fail to prepare knowing full well where we,re heading,then this is BIG MISTAKE No 1.

Dont trust anyone else,especially a preacher !

Thats exactly what i mean rev jimmy jones killed a 1000 of his followers a so called man of god my arse. Was he a evangalist?

[orlibonurb]

It's not a free gift if there's a price tag on it, and that price tag is hell....so please stop BS me about this.

It is a free gift. You can accept it or reject it. Your free will above everything.

He will never, ever force you to accept the gift of salvation.

It is your own choice to be seperate from the family of the true and living God, Christ Jesus of Nazareth.

Right now you're reading this and rejecting it. You made your choice, noone else is forcing you to do anything.


Romans {6:23} For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

2 Corinthians {5:17} Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. {5:18} And all things [are] of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; {5:19} To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

[freeman craig]

i'm worried that you havent come out and said that you would never be tricked by your preacher to commit suicide to reach jesus and create your own rapture orli. This is normally what happens with apocalyptic cults i have gd reason to be worried my friend.

[orlibonurb]

My preacher ? I never even went to a church lol. I follow no man.

[freeman craig]

apart from the ones that say evolution is wrong and the earth is 6000 years old and we walked with dinosaurs lol but i liked your answer i am less worried about you now thankyou.

[orlibonurb]

I do follow correct and factual information, mister "fossils prove evolution" (teasing) :)

It's all about the information, not about man; ie. I showed you some info and you rejected it by calling it,"evangelism". Rejection information is rejecting knowledge, and "if" (for the sake of argument) you're wrong, then you know what'll be waiting for you around the corner - the boogeyman !

http://www.horror-movies.ca/AdvHTML_Upload/boogeyman2.jpg

Ephesians {6:12} For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places. ]

[freeman craig]

hehe

[old major]

2. The Abomination of Desolation must be placed inside it.

Which would be a ham and cheese sandwich with a tall glass of milk.

[tannah]

It is a free gift. You can accept it or reject it. Your free will above everything.

He will never, ever force you to accept the gift of salvation.

It is your own choice to be seperate from the family of the true and living God, Christ Jesus of Nazareth.

Right now you're reading this and rejecting it. You made your choice, noone else is forcing you to do anything.



You're full of shit my friend. I am part of the family of the living God, and no asshole with a false sense of correct and factual can tell me otherwise.:)

No one is going to be seperated just because you are full of BS at the moment.

[orlibonurb]

Fine !

Hey, by the way, check reply #26 here,

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=97708&page=3

[freeman craig]

i have looked at your info and i have judged it to be wrong im not the only person every other person in the scientific community apart from evangelists accepts evolution. I would certainly not accept so called knowledge from a bloke like the one below i wouldnt trust him to walk my dog lol. He's a fraud he's serving ten years in prison for it.

Kent E. Hovind (born January 15, 1953) is an American Young Earth creationist and conspiracy theorist famous for his creation science seminars that aim to convince listeners to reject modern theories of evolution, geophysics, and cosmology in favor of the creation myth found in the Bible, creation according to Genesis. Hovind's views are criticized by the scientific community at large and even some fellow Young Earth creationist organizations like Answers in Genesis.

Hovind established the Creation Science Evangelism ministry in 1989 and frequently argued for Young Earth creationism and made other controversial remarks in his talks at private schools and churches, at debates, and on radio and television broadcasts.

Since November 2006 Hovind has been serving a ten-year prison sentence in the Federal Correctional Institution, Edgefield in Edgefield, South Carolina, after being convicted of 58 federal counts, including twelve tax offenses, one count of obstructing federal agents and forty-five counts of structuring cash transactions.

According to Hovind's website, he has offered $10,000 since 1990 to those who can "prove the theory of evolution."[49] He has since raised the prize to $250,000.[50]

I have a standing offer of $250,000 to anyone who can give any empirical evidence (scientific proof) for evolution.* My $250,000 offer demonstrates that the hypothesis of evolution is nothing more than a religious belief.[50]
*NOTE: When I use the word evolution, I am not referring to the minor variations found in all of the various life forms (microevolution). I am referring to the general theory of evolution which believes these five major events took place without God:

1. Time, space, and matter came into existence by themselves.
2. Planets and stars formed from space dust.
3. Matter created life by itself.
4. Early life-forms learned to reproduce themselves.
5. Major changes occurred between these diverse life forms (i.e., fish changed to amphibians, amphibians changed to reptiles, and reptiles changed to birds or mammals).
Responses
Critics view this offer to be spurious because of the conditions which Hovind imposes. At the time, Hovind commonly insisted that evolution and atheism were synonymous.[6] The asterisk denotes the terms that he claims show significant gaps in the gradual progression predicted by the theory of evolution. In fact he challenged the world to prove a non-mainstream, "theory of evolution" which he defined himself and is therefore impossible for any scientist to meet his standards. The "new" theory, as outlined, has very little in common with the actual theory of evolution as accepted by the scientific world.[51]

Critics argue that the offer is merely a publicity stunt designed to be impossible to win because it requires the claimant to disprove all possible theories for the origin of species, no matter how ridiculous: "Prove beyond reasonable doubt that the process of evolution ... is the only possible way the observed phenomena could have come into existence," states his FAQ.[50] Unlike Hovind, scientists in the field of evolutionary biology do not distinguish between so-called "micro" and "macro" evolution as distinct processes. They contend all evolution takes place on a "micro" level, and that macroevolution is cumulative microevolution.[52]

Critics also say that his description of evolution does not match with the scientific definition and that he conflates evolution with other unrelated issues in the description of his challenge. The above definition of "evolution" which Hovind asks respondents to meet differs from the one used by scientists. By the generally accepted definition of "evolution", only item number 5 deals with the process of evolution. Items 1 and 2 fall under cosmology and astronomy, while items 3 and 4 refer to abiogenesis. Furthermore, it would be impossible to prove the theory of gravity under the same conditions as Hovind requires.[53]

Some creationists also do not approve of Hovind's offer. Answers in Genesis said it "would prefer that 'creationists' refrained from gimmicks like this."[54]

Hovind has said a panel of judges would decide if a claim had met his criteria, but he has refused to say who would be (or is) on that panel. He has even refused to say what their qualifications might be. Challengers who have submitted claims to Hovind have become convinced that he does not actually use a panel of judges, in spite of his promise to do so.[55] In one case, after twice stating that he would send a particular response to his judges (according to his website any responses he sent were considered "legitimate"[50]) Hovind then reneged stating, "Thanks for reminding me about not sending minor changes to the committee. This would be a waste of time for everyone involved. If you ever get any evidence that does support evolution please send it to me". The respondent was not amused and felt that this indicated dishonesty on Hovind's part and confirmed suspicions of the public that he never intended to pay.[56]

People have approached Hovind in regard to the challenge, addressing it from perspectives ranging from "Large-scale Evolution" to the "Big Bang Theory"[57] to polar bears.[56] One notable case was in 2001, Biologist Massimo Pigliucci attempted to collect Hovind's prize.[58] During a debate with Hovind, Pigliucci said Hovind did not send any details or names of scientists judging the evidence and Hovind "could have decided on his own" to dismiss the evidence."[59] Pigliucci later issued a "counter-challenge" as "a spoof meant to uncover Hovind's challenge for the gimmick that it is" by asking for "empirical evidence, that Christianity is the only true religion and that a god with the exact characteristics of the one(s) described in the bible actually exists".[60]

The winter 2005 issue of Skeptic included an article titled "Doubting Dr. Dino" by Adam Kisby.[57] Kisby lays out Hovind's arguments in formal logic, and says that the assumptions "God is a necessary cause of the universe" and "The universe is eternal, i.e., un-caused" lead to contradictions. Kisby sent his proof to Hovind and reports that "many weeks later I received a terse reply from Hovind in which he dogmatically rejected my proof." Hovind's reason was "the universe is evidence of a Designer - not proof there is no Designer." Thus Kisby concluded "I contend that either my proof is technically correct or Hovind's $250,000 offer is fundamentally flawed. If my proof is correct, then Hovind is constrained by the terms of his offer to release the money. On the other hand if Hovind's offer is flawed then he is morally obligated to withdraw it or modify it."[57] The Spring 2006 issue of Skeptic contained criticisms of Kisby's proposed proof.[61]

Criticism
From creationists
Hovind has been criticized by other creationists, including young earth creationists and old earth creationists who believe that many of his arguments are invalid and, consequently, undermine their cause. Disagreements over how to respond to Hovind's claims have themselves contributed to acrimony between creationist organizations. The Australian and U.S. arms of Answers in Genesis (AiG) were critical of Hovind[62] after he had criticized[63] an AiG position document "Arguments we think creationists should NOT use".[64] In particular AiG criticized Hovind for "persistently us[ing] discredited or false arguments".[54]

The U.S. arm of AiG, led by Ken Ham had an acrimonious split with its Australian parent in 2005. The Australian organization then split itself entirely off, now styling themselves as Creation Ministries International. Material critical of Hovind was no longer available on the U.S. Answers In Genesis website, whereas the Australian CMI website still chose to retain the critical material.[65] The CMI article written by Carl Wieland and Jonathan Sarfati stated that the claims made by Hovind are "fraudulent" and contain "mistakes in facts and logic which do the creationist cause no good."[62][66] CMI also criticized Hovind for using "fraudulent claims" made by Ron Wyatt in his claims.[62]

Creationist astronomer Hugh Ross, of Reasons to Believe, debated Hovind on the age of the Earth during the John Ankerberg Show, televised nationally on the Inspiration Network in September through October 2000.[67][68] Ross said Hovind was "misrepresenting the field" of different sciences,[69] and Ross told Hovind: "Astronomers view the credibility of the 'Young Earth' as being much weaker than that for a flat earth."[70] Hovind and Ross previously debated in July 1999 on the Steve Brown Show.[71]

Hovind has stated that carbon dating – a method used by scientists to estimate the age of various objects and events – is unreliable.[72] He has been criticized by Greg Neyman of Answers in Creation (an old Earth creationist group), who says that in Hovind's statements "Hovind goes on to show that he knows absolutely nothing about the science of Carbon Dating."[73] Neyman says that Hovind's claim that "scientists assume the amount of carbon-14 is constant" is wrong, and Neyman writes "there are many periods of decreasing C-14, which disproves his theory that the earth is young based on C-14 equilibrium."[73]

From non-creationists
Prior to his convictions, Hovind debated atheists, non-YEC Christians, skeptics, and scientists. In May 2004 Michael Shermer debated Hovind in front of a predominantly creationist audience. In Shermer's online reflection while explaining he won the debate with intellectual and scientific evidence he felt it was "not an intellectual exercise," but rather it was "an emotional drama."[74] While receiving positive responses from creationist observers, Shermer concluded "Unless there is a subject that is truly debatable with a format that is fair, in a forum that is balanced, it only serves to belittle both the magisterium of science and the magisterium of religion."[74] Others, like evolutionary biologist Massimo Pigliucci, have debated Hovind, and have expressed surprise at Hovind's ignorance of evolutionary theory.[75] Pigliucci indicated surprise at hearing Hovind try "to convince the audience that evolutionists believe humans came from rocks" and at Hovind's assertion that biologists believe humans "evolved from bananas."[75]

In Hovind's debates, he traditionally focuses on points that he claims serve to discredit evolutionary theory, physical cosmology, and geology. He also presents what he claims is evidence for a Biblical flood, a young earth, and the canopy theory. Scientists working in the appropriate fields[76] as well as some young Earth creationists,[64] do not agree with Hovind's assertions.

Others criticize Hovind for his involvement with Arkansas state Representative Jim Holt's Anti-Evolution Bill in 2001 (House Bill 2548).[77][78] This bill "would have required that when public schools refer to evolution that it be identified as an unproven theory." Some politicians claimed this bill "would have made Arkansas a laughingstock."[79] Holt called upon Hovind as an expert who "testified for Holt before the State Agencies and Governmental Affairs Committee, alleging much of the information pertaining to evolution in our science textbooks is false."[77] As for the legislation, "Holt admitted much of the information in his bill came from Jonathan Wells' Icons of Evolution."[77]

Critics charge that Kent Hovind's creation/evolution presentations are a mix of Christian Fundamentalism and conspiracy theories.[74] The Southern Poverty Law Center has criticized Hovind because of his selling of books such as Des Griffin's Fourth Reich of the Rich, Peter Kershaw's In Caesar's Grip, and recommending The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a well-known antisemitic hoax.[80] The Center claimed that Hovind accuses Darwinism of having produced "Communism, Socialism, Nazism, abortion, liberalism and the New Age Movement."[80] The Center also quotes Hovind as claiming that "democracy is evil and contrary to God's law."[80] Hovind has stated: "I love the Jews. But The Protocols of Zion [sic] was written to explain how to control the world, I mean, it lays it all out. But it’s really carefully done so that if it is ever discovered the Jews take the blame for it."[42]

The SPLC also criticized Hovind for "point[ing] his followers to Citizens Rule Book, popular among antigovernment "Patriots"; Media Bypass, an antigovernment magazine with strong antisemitic leanings", and books by tax protester Irwin Schiff"[81] (Schiff has since been convicted and sentenced to 13 years in prison).

While Kent Hovind is in prison, Eric has continued operating CSE and has received criticism for errors in his claims. Biologist PZ Myers criticized Eric and CSE employee Jonathon Sampson for their comments on cephalopods, writing "We do have explanations of cephalopod evolution" and "they lack the intelligence to grasp it."[82] In his criticism, Myers criticized Hovind for failing to look up the evolutionary scholarship on cephalopods and linked to his blog article on cephalopod evolution.[82][83]

[freeman craig]

and as for the bogeyman im stating vey clearly here and now if there is a so such thing as satan then i demand that he appears to me right now and i will take him on if he leaves everyone else alone lets see what happens

[freeman craig]

well he must be scared of me he hasnt shown up lol
satan is your ego the battle against evil is the battle inside you not a outside force were all capable of doing bad things in certain situations thats the struggle against evil. There is no hell god is perfect in everyway shape of form everything is how its suppose to be. The hell and satan concept was just put in there by the roman catholic church for control methods ie pay me your taxes or god wont be happy and your go to hell. its aload of bollocks it really is just there for scare tatics do you honestly think god wants to destroy any of his child course he doesnt he wants us to make mistakes thats how we learn he would never judge us we judge ourselves on our judgement day.

[orlibonurb]

He already has you lol. He's not worried about unsaved souls.

well he must be scared of me he hasnt shown up lol
satan is your ego the battle against evil is the battle inside you not a outside force were all capable of doing bad things in certain situations thats the struggle against evil. There is no hell god is perfect in everyway shape of form everything is how its suppose to be. The hell and satan concept was just put in there by the roman catholic church for control methods ie pay me your taxes or god wont be happy and your go to hell. its aload of bollocks it really is just there for scare tatics do you honestly think god wants to destroy any of his child course he doesnt he wants us to make mistakes thats how we learn he would never judge us we judge ourselves on our judgement day.

lol wowa. We'll judge ourselves huh. I can just imagine Hitler saying, "aww, comon God, my cosmic buddy - I just felt like killing some millions because, well . . . . . *embarassing pause* . . . . . well, let's just forget it and play some Poker ok ?! It was nothing but a learning stage and I'm not willing to kill anymore".

Errr, wrong answer.

1 Corinthians {6:9} Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, {6:10} Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. {6:11} And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Let's see what the living God (Jesus Christ) says about "wanting or not wanting to destroy any of his child",

2 Peter {3:9} The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

[octopusrex]

Which would be a ham and cheese sandwich with a tall glass of milk.

No.

[tannah]

lol wowa. We'll judge ourselves huh. I can just imagine Hitler saying, "aww, comon God, my cosmic buddy - I just felt like killing some millions because, well . . . . . *embarassing pause* . . . . . well, let's just forget it and play some Poker ok ?! It was nothing but a learning stage and I'm not willing to kill anymore".


So apart from Hitler, can you name 2000 other people that may deserve this hell?

My respect goes out to the parents who lost a son the other month, and made it known that they had forgiven the murderer. Because in that one action it leaves you playing puppet on a string Orli.

And if you really want to dissect the whole ww2 event and Hitler, you can't just focus on him and his actions. America were also responsible for creating conditions that elevated a Hitler to power. American greed was also a factor, which led to the great recession. Where do you draw the line? We're all inextricably linked. All things are. We have to learn from experience and draw from the good that's in us. Who is it that said that evil only prevails when the good do nothing? I know good and evil is quite subjective but it does show that it's in man's power to live by the virtues of a spiritual life. This is the actual solution, not pathetic staged agendas that keep this killing machine alive.

On the one hand you say one just has to believe, and on the other hand you condemn "unsaved" mankind by representing them as "Hitler", or at least you seem to think that example of a man's actions suffices in order to make your point about the unsaved and why hell is justified. What about the other billions of people who were not Hitlers but were Hindus and Buddhists, for example? How many in hell, 2000 or 10 billion?

[freeman craig]

He already has you lol. He's not worried about unsaved souls.



lol wowa. We'll judge ourselves huh. I can just imagine Hitler saying, "aww, comon God, my cosmic buddy - I just felt like killing some millions because, well . . . . . *embarassing pause* . . . . . well, let's just forget it and play some Poker ok ?! It was nothing but a learning stage and I'm not willing to kill anymore".

Errr, wrong answer.

1 Corinthians {6:9} Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, {6:10} Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. {6:11} And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Let's see what the living God (Jesus Christ) says about "wanting or not wanting to destroy any of his child",

2 Peter {3:9} The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

your understand one day just maybe not in this carnation if its not what your here to learn then you wont its all part of the great plan and you have all ready chosen your life ahead before your birth. you should really try and study others beliefs before commenting otherwise you come accross very ignorant which isnt pleasant and quite distasteful your go further in life i promise you. you can carry on preaching from st pauls bible if you like but as i keep telling you its just fear mongering by the catholic church from the dark ages absolutely nothing to do with jesus.

[dedicate]

Watch out all. The Fundamentalist Chrstian Programming is about to change the Channel one more time. The Orwellian Clockwork chimes. They are about to go on a campaign of their own disallowing and disowning the heratical staments of Falwell, Graham, that guy that died recently -- Oral Roberts, and all the kings of the Castle were under the influence of Satan... but saved nevertheless.

The doctrine of Eternal Hell was never part of the "true" Christian doctrine. Man was not banished to some endless suffering after this life. This is going to be announced at church and air-waves. It is not really scriptural, eternal hell.

They will show you scriptures that proove Eternal Hell is never stated. That these were misinterpretations. The modern Christian -- ie nondenominational and denominations are about to get re-wired for a new spin on things.

[dedicate]

So where is it all Going? Christianity is going straight to Hell, just as it was taught in the New Testament. After the Crusifixion the Chrstian goes to Hell, just as Jesus did for three nights. So for all waiting for the rapture to Heaven are in for a big surprise when they find themselves in Hell, that is the only thing up ahead. And before Hell, the Christian may find himself on one or the other side of the tip of the Anginus's spear. Then off to Hell,, to receive eternal life or eternal damnation "eternal" meaning a long time.

And why wouldn't the Christian Community find itself amongst the one's who are judged first? This is what they preach, or the measure they measure with. Everyone who professes himeself a Christian will find himself in Hell. Christians should be praying for themselves and those they know, for streangth, not to fly away from Earth, but to descend into the very bowels of it.

[octopusrex]

So where is it all Going? Christianity is going straight to Hell, just as it was taught in the New Testament. After the Crusifixion the Chrstian goes to Hell, just as Jesus did for three nights. So for all waiting for the rapture to Heaven are in for a big surprise when they find themselves in Hell, that is the only thing up ahead. And before Hell, the Christian may find himself on one or the other side of the tip of the Anginus's spear. Then off to Hell,, to receive eternal life or eternal damnation "eternal" meaning a long time.

And why wouldn't the Christian Community find itself amongst the one's who are judged first? This is what they preach, or the measure they measure with. Everyone who professes himeself a Christian will find himself in Hell. Christians should be praying for themselves and those they know, for streangth, not to fly away from Earth, but to descend into the very bowels of it.

I am praying for a Miracle.
We should all be praying for a Miracle.

Actually. I'll be frank. I am praying for a Serpent to save the day.
I have heard they like to be fed.

[dedicate]

Well you are not a Christian,octopus, so you don't have to start worrying untill the Bad Christians start killing the Good Christians. Then you can start to look at your soul. You do believe in the Human Soul don't you private Octipusrex?

[octopusrex]

Well you are not a Christian,octopus, so you don't have to start worrying untill the Bad Christians start killing the Good Christians. Then you can start to look at your soul. You do believe in the Human Soul don't you private Octipusrex?

Jiva.

[dedicate]

That's it. The soul is the jiva. And the jiva is a dance, and the dance is a walk, and that is what brought you to where you are at now. What brought you to where you are at now is how you will define yourself, according to how you see it. How you define yourself is all you are and all you will ever be, the Jiva.

"When one sees the abomination of desolation as spoken of by the Prophet Daniel standing in the holy place know that the end is near"-- Luke.

The above statement makes no mention of The Temple of Solomon. There are countless Holy Places, not just one. Might it be, Jesus was speaking about all holy places? And all ends? In other words, the end of a thing is preceeded by the presence of the unspeakable wickedness found in the most holy of places?

[octopusrex]

That's it. The soul is the jiva. And the jiva is a dance, and the dance is a walk, and that is what brought you to where you are at now. What brought you to where you are at now is how you will define yourself, according to how you see it. How you define yourself is all you are and all you will ever be, the Jiva.

"When one sees the abomination of desolation as spoken of by the Prophet Daniel standing in the holy place know that the end is near"-- Luke.

The above statement makes no mention of The Temple of Solomon. There are countless Holy Places, not just one. Might it be, Jesus was speaking about all holy places? And all ends? In other words, the end of a thing is preceeded by the presence of the unspeakable wickedness found in the most holy of places?

????

[michael christopher]

Abomination of Desolation sounds like a German Death Metal song.

[ex_anser_ovo]

I think the earth would have to be destroyed to ensure this prophecy never happens.
It doesn't seem to have any deadline hampering it, despite over a hundred generations of people tormenting themselves over the belief that it's supposed to happen in their lifetime. So until the earth is gone, some people will expect that nothing will stop it and develop painful chronic constipation over it.

Let's find a way to destroy the earth everyone... for our own sakes?
And for the sake of having regular and comfortable bowel movements.

[octopusrex]

I think the earth would have to be destroyed to ensure this prophecy never happens.
It doesn't seem to have any deadline hampering it, despite over a hundred generations of people tormenting themselves over the belief that it's supposed to happen in their lifetime. So until the earth is gone, some people will expect that nothing will stop it and develop painful chronic constipation over it.

Let's find a way to destroy the earth everyone... for our own sakes?
And for the sake of having regular and comfortable bowel movements.

Yes.

[octopusrex]

Yes?:confused::cool:

I can not answer that question. Only you can, David Icke.

[octopusrex]

I lied.
It's up to Allah.

I lied again.
It's up to Jesus Christ.

Folks. Don't try this at home.
Zombis are not fun.