Vegetarianism

[orgo knight]

Howdy all.Just found this on swerdlows questions and answers.After reading it I'm confused also.Any thoughts anyone ?

I'm confused. You said that being vegetarian opens you up to lower entities and possession. Could you please elaborate on this? I always thought is was the other way around. If you consume dead flesh you are acting like the puppet masters. There are just as many meat eaters who are possessed. And if we must have animal protein is it ok to just eat fish?

It was Albert Einstein who said:

"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances of survival for life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet."

Stewart's Reply: Your DNA is made of animal protein bases. It needs like material in order to repair itself. Without consuming like material, deterioration will occur. Vegetarian diets are a great cleanser temporarily--then one must go back to eating meat.

If we remain vegetarian, we start to weaken the body and mind. This allows for programming to take hold.

We are omnivores, not herbivores.

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[supertzar]

It's true in my experience. During my vegetarian years I got weak. I could feel it as soon as I stopped eating meat. Now that I eat local organic meat every day I feel great. I don't know about possession, but it makes sense that a weak person is easier to possess.

[strider]

I rarely eat meat, and when I do I feel lousy and moody. If people do change over to a vegetarian diet from a meat diet then it's wise to do a bit of a detox first to let all the undigested meat out, mainly beef.

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Ahhhhhh, that's funny what Swerdlow says, and it has no factual basis to it at all.

Here is someone that has been vegetarian for 25 years...

Welcome. My name is Steve Holt and this is my bodybuilding site. I was born and raised in Canada, and I have been a vegetarian for 25 years. I began to seriously train as a bodybuilder some eight years ago, when I was well into my forties. I completed my first series of bodybuilding competitions during the year 2000.

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Here I am, 52 years old, after the pre-judging at the CBBF Canadian World Qualifier August 5, 2006.

Steve Holt
Key Statistics:
Age: 52. Height: 5' 8 1/2".
Weight: 165 lbs competition, 190 lbs off-season.
History: Lifetime natural; 25 year lacto-ovo vegetarian.
Forearms 13"
Upper Arms 17"
Neck 16.5"
Chest 45"
Waist 32"
Thighs 25"
Calves 16"
Gym Affiliations: Extreme Fitness
League Affiliations: CBBF, OPA


Titles:
Aug/06 CBBF World Qualifier, 2nd Place, Open Welterweight
Aug/06 CBBF World Qualifier, 2nd Place, Grandmasters (age 50-59)
Jun/06 OPA National Qualifier, 2nd Place, Grandmasters (age 50-59)
Jul/04 CBBF World Qualifier, 3rd Place, Grandmasters (age 50-59)
Jul/04 OPA National Qualifier, 3rd Place, Masters (age 40-49)
Jul/04 OPA National Qualifier, 1st Place, Grandmasters (age 50-59)
Apr/00 ANBC Lion County Classic, 5th Place, Masters (age 35-45)
Mar/00 BAO Regional Championship, 3rd Place, Masters (age 40-49)


Come on in and visit. Perhaps you too are vegetarian, and looking to learn more about building the body. Or perhaps you're interested to see how one can build a competitive physique without meat, without fish, and without anabolic steroids.

Maybe you're skeptical. That's fine too. A healthy skepticism is always welcome, especially when accompanied by an open mind.

Here's what you'll find within this website: Lots of information, including exercise and diet tips, sample menus, published and unpublished articles, links, photos, and feature articles on others who have led the way as vegetarian bodybuilders, like the great Bill Pearl and Roy Hilligen.

http://vegetarianbodybuilder.com/index2.html

Other sites can be found through this search.....

vegetarian bodybuilder - Google Search

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[davidbarstis]

From what I know, and I am very well knowledged in nutrition, he seems to be wrong. I am a bodybuilder and although I eat eggs, fish, and a non-processed whey protein, nothing gives me more energy than fruits and vegetables. That we need to consume dead meat is absolutly false. There have been cultures who strictly ate vegetables and grains who were stronger, smarter and disease free. There is VERY little difference in the DNA of all things on this planet except for how the sugars pair up with each other. If what he says is true, all DNA would be animal protein based. Look what happens when they feed cows other animals and all the other animals who are herbivores. The importance of fish and eggs are the Omega-3's.
I will certainly look more into his claims because I give all information a chance.

[davidbarstis]

Ah, there you go. Look at Mr. Holt. Much praise to you sir, you are in fantastic shape. I hope I look like you at your age.

[synergy777]

local organic meat

if you are to et meat then eat good meat. the non organic is full of crap, steroids, antibiotics, growth hormones, all the crap they give to animals to increase size, yeild, immunity. its not meant for us ands stays in the meat. also teh date is messed around with. i knew someone who worked in meat packaging, they clean the meat and repackage/re label it. some of that stuff you eat off the shelves has been fixed to last longer, look fresher. and this the meat company, added to this the supermarkets and their dodgy behaviour. supermarkets in england have been caught many times for not dating food correctly.

[mariag]

Love to all of you ,
No intension of being rude but i have to disagree with a lot of you.
I am a vegetarian and I do not feel week at all. On the contarary ,I feel much more healthier and stronger.
I am also aware that I do not help the meat industry in moe killing.
I have chosen to be a vegetarian because I do want to spread love into the world and that includes not eating animals.
I can not feel complete if I eat my friends. And animals are Friends and also living beings of this earth .

there are lots of other reasons for my desicions too , but this is the main reason .
But I am also aware of how humans treat animals , and how they manipulate genes to make better flesh and fatter pigs etc , just to satisfy mans need of greed.. I do not want to have any part of that .
Thank you I love you

[orgo knight]

I thought he made a pretty weird claim :confused:

This is what he says about urine therapy which is weird also

As a qualified Homeopath i know that your comments regarding urine theapy to be false. Tens of thousands of people round the world have cured themselves of all kinds of diseases using this therapy.urine is the best thing in the world for treating burns.The evidence is irrefutable for the heatlh benefits of urine therapy. On vegetarianism, i have seen countless cases of patients health improving only after giving up red meat. red meat is toxic to our bodies. vegetarins have 40 % less chance of getting cancer.Vegetarins will not have the 6-8 pounds of putrifying undigested red meat ib their colon/bowel at age 50. Eat small ammounts of white meat, this fine but red meat is poison as humans to not have the stomach acid or enzymes to digst it.

Stewart's Reply: Everything that you have just written is completely inaccurate and New Age propaganda. You probably believe in channeling as well. Suit yourself. Anyone who drinks urine and only eats vegetarian foods is not long for this world.

[chris]

I heard that if you go vegan also by some guy that you are likely to devolve into a chimp in the course of three to five years. Just look at the hippies protesting, they are half way there. Of course all the humans that turn completely get tickets to the amazon and places in China before they are completely recorded but it's a fact.

Forget that cows eat grass and synthasize meat out of that, it's disinfo, cows really tuck into a turkey dinner late at night and all that grazing they do are sucking up worms and moles to consume.

Amino acids which protein is made out of are completely different if you get it from a stake or a fruit. So you're open to sodomy if you get your amino acids from a different source other than like proteins.

You need like proteins so badly which is why I recommend a diet of cannibalism, this is the healthiest diet of all and makes you go into a religious trance like those mad cows do. Of course, they call them mad cows but the fact is that they are in rapture.

Fibreless acidic food is the way to go, imagine the A team had a tank and then took it apart and made a nail gun out of it (now that's how we roll).

Have you any more articles by that guy? It would be nice to read something from someone sane before I shoot myself in the head.

[eternal_spirit]

Nice on i am all i am for producing the facts.

potatoes, carrots and apples can boost testosterone levels( especially if grown in Boron rich soil) , so
you don't need meat for that.

I started eating meat recently after about 10 years of being veggie. The guilt was enormous and now wish I hadn't. Most people where I live seem to be meat eating, alcohol consuming types. I'm like the ethnic minority pot smoker,coffee, water, juices.. veggie.

Chicken wasn't to bad but the rest not nice. I've had less energy and less urge to do my weight training. So returning to eating meat for about two months maybe 3 hasn't done me any good as far as I can see.

I'm just going to eat a bit of fish from now on maybe some cheese....But some of the facts and theories about dairy produce scare me.

If they reckon where closer to a monkey genetically then this would prove fruit and veg is a more natural diet.
If we walked on all fours and had fangs like cat's and dogs then Swerdlow may have a point.

[synergy777]

chris, great post mate. i knew i saw cows eating their dead relatives at mcdonalds, lol its true look at the powerful animals, eg horses, they are vegetarians. it must be all the grass, bloody druggies, lol

[chris]

chris, great post mate. i knew i saw cows eating their dead relatives at mcdonalds, lol its true look at the powerful animals, eg horses, they are vegetarians. it must be all the grass, bloody druggies, lol

Horses actually eat a diet of birds, first they use their hey to make it look like a birds nest and then they attack. This shit is covered up by the jesuit zoinists hyppies of malta.

[synergy777]

chris,lol
what about deers/venison, i bet bambi was a mass murderer of animals, lol

[chris]

Wanted in all fifty states.

[synergy777]

what meat alternatives do you recommend. is soya, qourn stuff ok. i have had their vegetarian sausages, mince, etc its quite tasty and i have no qualms about using it as a meat subsitute. after all with meat its the taste i love, if this tastes the same, which it does if its in a curry/pasta its all good.

[chris]

what meat alternatives do you recommend. is soya, qourn stuff ok. i have had their vegetarian sausages, mince, etc its quite tasty and i have no qualms about using it as a meat subsitute. after all with meat its the taste i love, if this tastes the same, which it does if its in a curry/pasta its all good.

I don't know much about quorn but soya is the strawman argument that whey uses to say it is better. Soya is a very inferior protein.

[eternal_spirit]

what meat alternatives do you recommend. is soya, qourn stuff ok. i have had their vegetarian sausages, mince, etc its quite tasty and i have no qualms about using it as a meat subsitute. after all with meat its the taste i love, if this tastes the same, which it does if its in a curry/pasta its all good.
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I've eaten this stuff for years the quorn/soya (chicken pieces that's what they call them lol ) They even do breasts. Go good in a curry.

The mince makes a nice sheperds pie and bolognese.

Some very tasty veggie stuff in the shops these days.
But you need to boost you're diet with much fruit and veg also. Raw is best, over cooking veg can diminish the vitamins, minerals. Don't over boil or better still steam them in a tiny amount of water, soft veg like marrow peppers ect can cook in about 2 to 3 mins.

[28th kingdom]

Horseshit about meat being good for you... it's one of the worst things you can put in yer body... you feel weak (on the veterinarian diet) because yer caloric or protein intake was too low. Eat more nuts and drink soy milk.

I'm what you call an Alkalarian... it's about the strictest form of diet you can eat... no meat, no dairy products... and no artificial anything... all whole foods... all natural... and mostly raw.

You will never feel as alive, cleansed and balanced/aligned in mind, body and spirit as when eating a diet consisting of only pure natural, raw whole foods.

[strider]

Trouble is, quorn and soya are mostly if not all gm'd now a days, and shop bought pre made meals still consist of rubbish mostly.. My diet consists of everything home made.. Pasta's, soups, stews, rice dishes, plenty raw fruit and veg, salads, roasts etc. etc and different variations of other meals. Plenty of water, home made veg and fruit juices and some fresh herbal teas, glass of honeygar a day and an intestinal toner made from organic herbs..

I feel fit as a fiddle and stronger than ever before..

[revolutionary_jam]

my feeling is veggie diet is almost certainly healthier but the odd bit of meat won't do you no harm (except all the shit and chemicals they feed the animal)

I think in general eating meat densens your energy spiritually more than veggies and veggies more than fruit etc.

[i am all i am]

From what I know, and I am very well knowledged in nutrition, he seems to be wrong. I am a bodybuilder and although I eat eggs, fish, and a non-processed whey protein, nothing gives me more energy than fruits and vegetables. That we need to consume dead meat is absolutly false. There have been cultures who strictly ate vegetables and grains who were stronger, smarter and disease free. There is VERY little difference in the DNA of all things on this planet except for how the sugars pair up with each other. If what he says is true, all DNA would be animal protein based. Look what happens when they feed cows other animals and all the other animals who are herbivores. The importance of fish and eggs are the Omega-3's.
I will certainly look more into his claims because I give all information a chance.

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G'day Davidbarstis.

For omega 3 and omega 6 check out these sites...

http://www.annecollins.com/dietary-fat/omega-3-efa-6-chart.htm

http://www.andrews.edu/NUFS/essentialfat.htm

http://www.animalliberationfront.com/Practical/Health/plantomega3.htm

http://www.veganpeace.com/nutrient_information/nutrient_info/omega_info.htm

And for omega 9...

Olive oil, avocados and various nuts (like peanuts, almonds and macadamias) are rich omega-9 sources.

Here is another source.....

HEMPSEED NUTRITION

Cannabis hempseeds contain all the essential amino acids and essential fatty acids necessary to maintain healthy human life. No other single plant source provides complete protein in such an easily digestible form, nor has the oils essential to life in as perfect a ratio for human health and vitality.

Hempseed is the highest of any plant in essential fatty acids. Hempseed oil is among the lowest in saturated fats at 8% of total oil volume. The oil pressed from hempseed contains 55% linoleic acid (LA) and 25% llinolenic acid (LNA). Only flax oil has more linolenic acid at 58%, but hempseed oil is the highest in total essential fatty acids at 80% of total oil volume.

"These essential fatty acids are responsible for our immune response. In the old country the peasants ate hemp butter. They were more resistant to disease than the nobility." The higher classes wouldn't eat hemp because the poor ate it. - R. Hamilton, ED.D., Ph.D. Medical Researcher-Bichemist U.C.L.A. Emeritus.

LA and LNA are involved in producing life energy from food and the movement of that energy throughout the body.

Essential fatty acids govern growth, vitality and state of mind. LA and LNA are involved in transferring oxygen from the air in the lungs to every cell in the body. They play a part in holding oxygen in the cell membrane where it acts as a barrier to invading viruses and bacteria, neither of which thrive in the presence of oxygen.

The bent shape of the essential fatty acids keep them from dissolving into each other. They are slippery and will not clog arteries like the sticky straight-shaped saturated fats and the trans-fatty acids in cooking oils and shortenings that are made by subjecting polyunsaturated oils like LA and LNA to high temperatures during the refining process.

LA and LNA possess a slightly negative charge and have a tendency to form very thin surface layers. This property is called surface activity, and it provides the power to carry substances like toxins to the surface of the skin, intestinal tract, kidneys and lungs where they can be removed. Their very sensitivity causes them to break down rapidly into toxic compounds when refined with high heat or improper storage exposes them to light or air.

Nature provides seeds with an outer shell that safely protects the vital oils and vitamins within from spoilage.

It's a perfect as well as perfectly edible container. Hempseed can be ground into a paste similar to peanut butter only more delicate in flavor. Udo Erasmus, Ph.D. nutritionist says: "Hemp butter puts our peanut butter to shame for nutritiounal value." The ground seeds can be baked into breads, cakes and casseroles. Hempseed makes a hearty addition to granola bars.

Pioneers in the fields of biochemistry and human nutrition now believe cardiovascular disease (CVD) and most cancers are really diseases of fatty degeneration caused by the continued over-consumption of saturated fats and refined vegetable oils that turn essential fatty acids into carcinogenic killers. One out of two Americans will die from the effects of CVD. One out of four Americans will die from cancer. Researchers believe cancers erupt when immune system response is weakened. And more Americans are succumbing to immune deficiency diseases than ever before. Promising studies are now under way using the essential oils to support the immune systems of HIV virus patients.

The complete protein in hempseed gives the body all the essential amino acids required to maintain health, and provides the necessary kinds and amounts of amino acids the body needs to make human serum albumin and serum globulins like the immune enhancing gamma globulin antibodies.

The body's ability to resist and recover from illness depends upon how rapidly it can produce massive amounts of antibodies to fend off the initial attack. If the globulin protein starting material is in short supply, the army of antibodies may be too small to prevent the symptoms of sickness from setting in.

The best way to insure the body has enough amino acid material to make the globulins is to eat foods high in globulin proteins. Hempseed protein is 65% globulin edestin plus quantities of albumin (present in all seeds) so its easily digestible proteen is readily available in a form quite similar to that found in blood plasma.

Hempseed was used to treat nutritional deficiencies brought on by tuberculosis, a severe nutrition blocking disease that causes the body to waste away. (Czechoslovakia Tubercular Nutritional Study, 1955.)

The energy of life is in the whole seed. Hempseed foods taste great!

They will insure we get enough essential amino acids and essential fatty acids, to build strong bodies and immune systems, and to maintain health and vitality. Please copy. Excerpted from Hempseed Nutrition by Lynn Osburn. Produced by Access Unlimited, P.O. Box 1900, Frazier Park, CA 93225.

http://www.jackherer.com/chapter07.html

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[thetonic]

Howdy all.Just found this on swerdlows questions and answers.After reading it I'm confused also.Any thoughts anyone ?

I'm confused. You said that being vegetarian opens you up to lower entities and possession. Could you please elaborate on this? I always thought is was the other way around. If you consume dead flesh you are acting like the puppet masters. There are just as many meat eaters who are possessed. And if we must have animal protein is it ok to just eat fish?

It was Albert Einstein who said:

"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances of survival for life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet."

Stewart's Reply: Your DNA is made of animal protein bases. It needs like material in order to repair itself. Without consuming like material, deterioration will occur. Vegetarian diets are a great cleanser temporarily--then one must go back to eating meat.

If we remain vegetarian, we start to weaken the body and mind. This allows for programming to take hold.

We are omnivores, not herbivores.

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Bollox!

Eating vegetarian i know that my body is better now that im a veggie i feel more alive ... If anything your body is vibrating at a higher frequency than those that eat meat.. When you eat something like an animal , you absorb that animals essence, energy, vibrations - If the animal was caged and pissed off - then you are eating cagey pissed off energy! Swerdlow is full of shit!

There are so many alternative high protein foods beside soy out there - Nuts(all kinds), seeds, vegetables high in fats - avacados, coconuts, Tempeh, setan, Lentils, Beans , Legumes , etc. etc.

[i am all i am]

Nice on i am all i am for producing the facts.

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Eternal Spirt.

Thanks mate.

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I would love to have been raised on a vegatarian diet. It's been over eight years now for me, and at no time have I ever felt weak because of it.

Nuts and seeds are great foods to eat. For instance, the walnut has an oil in it that improves the synapses between the left and right lobes of the brain. It is shaped similar to the brain, has a hard outer shell like the skull, and is also in four parts like the brain. A simple 'sign' in nature to lead us to what is good for us.

Oh, and guess what kidney beans are good for...

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[supertzar]

When you eat something like an animal , you absorb that animals essence, energy, vibrations

This could be good, right? Imagine integrating the awesome strength of a free range buffalo into your mind and body. Or the speed and agility of a deer. Not all meat is factory meat.

I am wrestling vegetarians today. Stop by anytime after seven and we'll see about who is stronger. :cool:

[1 2 free]

Carl Lewis on Being Vegan

Excerpt from Carl Lewis’ introduction to Very Vegetarian,
by Jannequin Bennett

Can a world-class athlete get enough protein from a vegetarian diet to compete? I’ve found that a person does not need protein from meat to be a successful athlete. In fact, my best year of track competition was the first year I ate a vegan diet. Moreover, by continuing to eat a vegan diet, my weight is under control, I like the way I look. (I know that sounds vain, but all of us want to like the way we look.) I enjoy eating more, and I feel great. Here’s my story.

When I grew up in New Jersey, I always enjoyed eating vegetables and was influenced by my mother, who believed in the importance of a healthy diet even though we ate meat regularly because my father wanted it. At the University of Houston I ate meat and tried to control my weight the wrong way–by skipping meals. Frequently I would skip breakfast, eat a light lunch, and then have my fill at dinner–just before I went to bed. Not only is skipping meals the wrong way to diet, but the way I did it is the worst way because your body needs four hours to digest its food before you go to sleep.

In May of 1990 I decided to change the way I ate when I realized that controlling my weight by skipping meals was not good for me. Within the space of a few weeks, I met two men who changed my way of thinking and eating. The first was Jay Cordich, the Juice Man, whom I met at the Houston radio station where I worked in the early morning. He was there to talk about his juicer, which makes fresh juice from fruits and vegetables. He said that drinking at least sixteen ounces of freshly squeezed juice each day will increase a person’s energy, strengthen the immune system, and reduce the risk of disease. A few weeks later while doing publicity for a meet in Minneapolis, I met Dr. John McDougall, a medical doctor who teaches about the link between good nutrition and good health and was promoting his latest book. Dr. McDougall challenged me to make a commitment to eating a vegetarian diet and then to just do it.

I remember vividly making the decision in July of 1990 to become a vegan. I was competing in Europe and ate a meal of Spanish sausage on a Saturday and on the following Monday started eating vegan. The hardest thing for me was changing my eating habits from skipping meals to eating throughout the day–which is much healthier. I also missed salt and so substituted lemon juice for flavor.

In the spring of 1991 – eight months after beginning to eat vegan – I was feeling listless and thought I might need to add protein from meat to my diet. Dr. McDougall, however, explained that my listlessness was due to my needing more calories because I was training so many hours each day, not because I needed more animal-based protein. When I increased my calorie intake, I regained my energy. I was drinking 24 to 32 ounces of juice a day. I ate no dairy products. And I had my best year as an athlete ever!

You have total control over what you put in your body. No one can force you to eat what you don’t want to eat. I know that many people think that eating a vegetarian diet - and especially a vegan diet – will require sacrifice and denial. Jannequin Bennett demonstrates in this book that eating vegan does not have to be tasteless and boring. As she says, “vegan eating is a truly indulgent way of life, as vegans regularly partake of the very best foods that nature has to offer.” Here are recipes that will excite your taste buds. By the way, a few of my own recipes are included.

Keep in mind that eating vegan does require a commitment to being good to your body and to acting responsibly toward the world around you. Most of us are not aware of how much damage we do to our bodies and to our world by the way we eat. I challenge you to write down everything you eat and drink for one week. You will probably be amazed at the amount of snacks you eat, the different ways in which milk and cheese are a part of your diet, and–worst of all–how much fast food you consume.

Most snacks such as cookies, chips, candy, French fries, or soft drinks are highly processed foods that have lost many of their useful nutrients. Worse still, most of these foods are loaded with fat, salt, and chemicals. For instance, a 1.5-ounce bag of barbecue potato chips has the same number of calories as a medium baked potato, but 70 times the amount of fat and 20 times the amount of salt.

Cheese and other dairy products are loaded with artery-clogging saturated fat and cholesterol. Most cheeses get 70 to 80 percent of their calories from fat.

You have to be especially careful when you eat in fast food restaurants. As the consumption of unhealthy fast food has increased, so has obesity, which is now second only to smoking as a cause of death in the U.S. Eric Schlosser reported in Fast Food Nation that the rate of obesity among American children is twice as high today as it was twenty-five years ago. Moreover, it seems that wherever people eat unhealthy fast food, waistlines start to expand. Between 1984 and 1993, for instance, the number of fast food restaurants in Great Britain roughly doubled. And so did the obesity rate among adults. Overweight people were once a rarity in Japan. Fast food restaurants arrived there thirty years ago, and today one-third of all Japanese men in their thirties are overweight.

Your body is your temple. If you nourish it properly, it will be good to you and you will increase its longevity.

http://earthsave.org/lifestyle/carllewis.htm

[thetonic]

This could be good, right? Imagine integrating the awesome strength of a free range buffalo into your mind and body. Or the speed and agility of a deer. Not all meat is factory meat.

I am wrestling vegetarians today. Stop by anytime after seven and we'll see about who is stronger. :cool:

Gladly! Where do you live? And i actually agree with you on the point of "good free range meat" , but 1. its expensive as shit! 2. Its rare as rocking horse poop!:cool:

[supertzar]

SE MI, holmes. It's going to be kind of like when Andy Kaufman "pioneered" inter-gender wrestling. I'll totally play the meat-eating heel. You can be the baby-face veggie that the crowd really, really, wants to win, but gets thrown about mercilessly. :D

My meat is cheaper and higher quality than any store-bought meat.

*Shrugs*

[megafish33]

From what I know, and I am very well knowledged in nutrition, he seems to be wrong. ...There have been cultures who strictly ate vegetables and grains who were stronger, smarter and disease free.

Have studied nutrition/food science?

Who are the cultures? Stronger, smarter and more disease free than whom? Us? Where are they know?

Thanks

[i am all i am]

I LOVE YOU.

OK, here are some links that I was going to sort through and start a thread about the vegetarian/vegan lifestyle. They appear in no particular order as I haven't gotten around to sorting them out yet, but I thought that I would post them as this thread is about vegetarianism, so...

http://www.vnv.org.au/FoodDistributors.htm

http://enviro.org.au/organics-directory-australia.asp

http://www.orgran.com/

http://www.veganpet.com.au/content/balanced_diet.php

http://www.truthpublishing.com/Default.asp

http://www.newstarget.com/adamshealthstats.html - Health Ranger

http://www.notmilk.com/

http://veganmomma.com/blog/?cat=56

http://www.organicconsumers.org/

http://www.madcowboy.com/

http://www.vegansociety.com/html/ U.K

http://www.vegsoc.org.au/ QLD

http://www.worldveganday.org.au/html/2006/

http://vegweb.com/

http://www.veganessentials.com/

http://www.vegsource.com/

http://www.veganhealth.org/

http://www.veganfitness.net/

http://www.vegansociety.com/html/

http://veganradio.com/


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"Let food be thy medicine, and let thy medicine be food."
Hippocrates

"The physician should not treat the disease but the patient who is suffering from it."
Maimonides

"Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come when medicine will organize into an undercover dictatorship to restrict the art of healing to one class of men and deny equal privileges to others; the Constitution of the Republic should make a special privilege for medical freedoms as well as religious freedom."
Benjamin Rush, MD., a signer of the Declaration of Independence and personal physician to George Washington

"The doctor of the future will no longer treat the human frame with drugs, but rather will cure and prevent disease with nutrition."
Thomas Edison

"It's supposed to be a secret, but I'll tell you anyway. We doctors do nothing. We only help to encourage the doctor within."
Albert Schweitzer, M.D.

"What is impossible to see from the viewpoint of those who believe in cures is that the very symptoms the good doctors have suppressed and turned into chronic disease were the body's only means of correcting the problem! The so-called "disease" was the only "cure" possible!"
Dr. Philip Chapman - 1981

"What makes me so certain that the natural human lifespan is far in excess of the actual one is this. Among all my autopsies (and I have performed over 1000), I have never seen a person who died of old age. In fact, I do not think that anyone has ever died of old age yet. We invariably die because one vital part has worn out too early in proportion to the rest of the body."
Dr. Hans Selye

"The cell is immortal. It is merely the fluid in which it floats that degenerates. Renew this fluid at regular intervals, give the cells what they require for nutrition, and as far as we know, the pulsation of life can go on forever."
Dr. Alexis Carrell - Nobel prize winner

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[1 2 free]

Thank you, i am all i am. I have bookmarked and shall return. :)

[tejas]

Erm

You guys are all touting meat eating and vegetable eating as if they are mutually exclusive.

Ever heard of eating a balanced diet?

[ssyx]

I've just become vegetarian for the second time in my life, lasted a couple of years last time and felt good for it.
Anyway, last time I took an Iron supplement on the recommendation of another veggie. Can anyone tell me if this is necessary?
Ta.

[mr_moon]

What about fish? I think eating vegetables, fruit, seeds and fish may be a sufficient balanced diet?

I recently stopped eating red meat and chicken meat and i do feel very much better for it...

[i am all i am]

I've just become vegetarian for the second time in my life, lasted a couple of years last time and felt good for it.
Anyway, last time I took an Iron supplement on the recommendation of another veggie. Can anyone tell me if this is necessary?
Ta.

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G'day Ssyx.

Supplementation is completely unnecessary. Everything can be found within the fooods that nature supplies us with.

All of these foods have iron in them...

Red Kidney beans
Lima beans
Navy beans
Black beans
Pinto beans
Soy beans
Collard greens
Kale
Mustard greens
Spinach
Turnip greens
Broccoli
Asparagus
Parsley
Brussel sprouts
Raisins
Prunes
Dates
Thyme ground
Curry Powder
Cinnamon ground
Garam Masala
Rosemary
Paprika
Sesame Seeds
Cashew Nuts
Figs dried
Lentils
Apricots
Hazelnuts
Almonds
Watercress

There are also other foods with iron in them as well.

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[i am all i am]

Thank you, i am all i am. I have bookmarked and shall return. :)

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G'day 1 2 Free.

You are welcome.

Ahem, I was a tad lazy not sorting them out and putting them in any type of order, but at least they are all together in one spot.

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[thetonic]

What about fish? I think eating vegetables, fruit, seeds and fish may be a sufficient balanced diet?

I recently stopped eating red meat and chicken meat and i do feel very much better for it...

A Vegequarium? Totally .. Im all for that because its reasonably hard to have a tortured/caged fish out in the ocean... however, watch out for alot of farm raised fish! Really, humans are omnivores.. We can eat alot of stuff.. but i try to eat almost exclusively veggie matter, with a little bit animal protien sprinkled in here and there, but only if i know the animal was "free" and killed in an honorable way.. ie , not from the slaughterhouse

[i am all i am]

A Vegequarium? Totally .. Im all for that because its reasonably hard to have a tortured/caged fish out in the ocean... however, watch out for alot of farm raised fish! Really, humans are omnivores.. We can eat alot of stuff.. but i try to eat almost exclusively veggie matter, with a little bit animal protien sprinkled in here and there, but only if i know the animal was "free" and killed in an honorable way.. ie , not from the slaughterhouse

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G'day Thetonic.

Two questions for you...

1. What do you base your supposition on that "humans are omnivres" ???

2. How can killing something be considered "honourable" ???

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Excellent picture Mr Moon! :)

[ssyx]

i am all i am

Thanks for that list mate, fair few there.

[thetonic]

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G'day Thetonic.

Two questions for you...

1. What do you base your supposition on that "humans are omnivres" ???

2. How can killing something be considered "honourable" ???

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1. My supposition is based on the fact that our bodies can digest all of these things and turn them into energy! Also if you look at a humans mouth esp. teeth you will notice that our molars are very similar to most plant eating mammalls with the exception that we have oversided k-9's ... Why do we have oversided K-9s you ask? Well obviously k9s are no good for cheweing vegetable matter, however they are supremely good at "tearing' flesh. You do the rest of the math buddy.

2. Killing an animal can be done honorably for instance, if you must kill an animal to feed your tribe, you do this with the intent, much like Native Americans did, that you are only sacrificing an animal because you have to, to live...You kill this animal honorably by not torturing it, making sure to kill it as swiftly as possible...You understand that the animal has given its life force to you, maybe not by choice, but by the laws of life and nature and you are not happy because you have killed something, you are happy that you get to live another day. You then proceed to use every part of that animal, and none of it is wasted... In essence, it is the only time that one should ever kill, is there own life depends on it...

[mariag]

what meat alternatives do you recommend. is soya, qourn stuff ok. i have had their vegetarian sausages, mince, etc its quite tasty and i have no qualms about using it as a meat subsitute. after all with meat its the taste i love, if this tastes the same, which it does if its in a curry/pasta its all good.

I recomend Soya , as it is rich in protein , and can be used in so many ways.When it comes to eat a vegetarian diet you must then have a balanced diet.it is important for your body and your brain to have all essential amino acids and vitamins etc to be fully funciton.Eat a lot of fruit and herbs and vegetables , beens and nuts and you will see that you will feel a lot more healthier and awake and clear.As for quorn it is ok too , if you eat eggs cause it sustains egg white.Also it is important to know that water is the best drink to drink , cause there are many other drinks that contains pure poison as aspartam etc.As for candy alot of it contains gelatin and coloring that are made from buggs and other animals , and of course artificial bullshit lol.

[ezbar]

It's obvious when you think about it, in our history it was necessary to take the most possible energy for the best opportunity, ie a large animal that feeds your family/tribe or a huge bundle of vegetables that does the same. Obviously in most cases the animal would have been the easiest choice for the benefit of the group.

As early people it would have been impossible to imagine industrial agriculture in the way we know it now, the greatest sources of energy would have been animals with their flesh and muscles rich in protein. Sure in a perfect world we would be grazers but lets face it, if you want to be a grazer you've pretty much gotta spend all day eating, and we would never have become what we are today.

So meat eating is a part of our history because it was necessary. Now, it is entirely possible to live off vegetables etc. because we can eat as much as we need not as much as we can find. So why not I say, but having said that, I'm a meat eater and will remain one.

It should also be noted that our bodies do take important things from meat, that probably can be gathered through vegetables but are easily sourced from meat.

It's also part of my theory on why fat tastes so good, think about it, you are a scavenger, you've got a small amount of time to take what you can from a kill left behind, how does your body tell you what to take? Taste! Fats are higher in energy so they taste better....unfortunately theres too many fats around now :(

[celtic isis]

I recomend Soya , as it is rich in protein , and can be used in so many ways.When it comes to eat a vegetarian diet you must then have a balanced diet.it is important for your body and your brain to have all essential amino acids and vitamins etc to be fully funciton.Eat a lot of fruit and herbs and vegetables , beens and nuts and you will see that you will feel a lot more healthier and awake and clear.As for quorn it is ok too , if you eat eggs cause it sustains egg white.Also it is important to know that water is the best drink to drink , cause there are many other drinks that contains pure poison as aspartam etc.As for candy alot of it contains gelatin and coloring that are made from buggs and other animals , and of course artificial bullshit lol.

exactly everything that mariag said :)

i was veggie for 8 years when i was 16 to 24, then moving to france i had to eat meat lol to survive now back veggie, so is my oh, and loving it really. Really easy to be veggie in france now i've got my bearings, otherwise i'd be damn starving lol :D

even snails are meat here lol ;)

another thing to try is tempeh, really good and if you eat that along with tofu too in your diet, you won't be lacking in anything protein wise that meat gives you. :D

[celtic isis]

It's obvious when you think about it, in our history it was necessary to take the most possible energy for the best opportunity, ie a large animal that feeds your family/tribe or a huge bundle of vegetables that does the same. Obviously in most cases the animal would have been the easiest choice for the benefit of the group.

As early people it would have been impossible to imagine industrial agriculture in the way we know it now, the greatest sources of energy would have been animals with their flesh and muscles rich in protein. Sure in a perfect world we would be grazers but lets face it, if you want to be a grazer you've pretty much gotta spend all day eating, and we would never have become what we are today.

So meat eating is a part of our history because it was necessary. Now, it is entirely possible to live off vegetables etc. because we can eat as much as we need not as much as we can find. So why not I say, but having said that, I'm a meat eater and will remain one.

It should also be noted that our bodies do take important things from meat, that probably can be gathered through vegetables but are easily sourced from meat.

It's also part of my theory on why fat tastes so good, think about it, you are a scavenger, you've got a small amount of time to take what you can from a kill left behind, how does your body tell you what to take? Taste! Fats are higher in energy so they taste better....unfortunately theres too many fats around now :(


excellent post :)

[lostinstrangeworld]

Also, another point to remember would be not to be fooled by the programming of our limited dimension.

We are capable of re-programming our DNA! :)

Just think....of all the limitless possibilities waiting before us to be unveiled.

[i am all i am]

1. My supposition is based on the fact that our bodies can digest all of these things and turn them into energy! Also if you look at a humans mouth esp. teeth you will notice that our molars are very similar to most plant eating mammalls with the exception that we have oversided k-9's ... Why do we have oversided K-9s you ask? Well obviously k9s are no good for cheweing vegetable matter, however they are supremely good at "tearing' flesh. You do the rest of the math buddy.

2. Killing an animal can be done honorably for instance, if you must kill an animal to feed your tribe, you do this with the intent, much like Native Americans did, that you are only sacrificing an animal because you have to, to live...You kill this animal honorably by not torturing it, making sure to kill it as swiftly as possible...You understand that the animal has given its life force to you, maybe not by choice, but by the laws of life and nature and you are not happy because you have killed something, you are happy that you get to live another day. You then proceed to use every part of that animal, and none of it is wasted... In essence, it is the only time that one should ever kill, is there own life depends on it...

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G'day Thetonic.

1. http://www.9622.net/images/lol-gorilla.jpg
Ahhhh, now this vegetarian from your supposition would be considered a meat eater......your math doesn't add up.

2. Life has no laws, man has made up laws as an excuse to perpetuate the idea that killing is necessary to live. It isn't.

You are entitled to make your own choices and express and experience yourself in relationship to those choices. However, consider this, when you kill something, the inherent life-force, energy, leaves the physicality of that which you have killed. You are then only putting something into your body that is considered dead. How is it that you then perceive that that which is dead can give life ???

We studied the western lowland gorilla diet as a possible model for human nutrient requirements with implications for colonic function. Gorillas in the Central African Republic were identified as consuming over 200 species and varieties of plants and 100 species and varieties of fruit. Thirty-one of the most commonly consumed foods were collected and dried locally before shipping for macronutrient and fiber analysis. The mean macronutrient concentrations were (mean ± SD, g/100 g dry basis) fat 0.5 ± 0.4, protein 11.8 ± 8.2, available carbohydrate 7.7 ± 6.3 and dietary fiber 74.0 ± 12.9. Assuming that the macronutrient profile of these foods was reflective of the whole gorilla diet and that dietary fiber contributed 6.28 kJ/g (1.5 kcal/g), then the gorilla diet would provide 810 kJ (194 kcal) metabolizable energy per 100 g dry weight. The macronutrient profile of this diet would be as follows: 2.5% energy as fat, 24.3% protein, 15.8% available carbohydrate, with potentially 57.3% of metabolizable energy from short-chain fatty acids (SCFA) derived from colonic fermentation of fiber. Gorillas would therefore obtain considerable energy through fiber fermentation. We suggest that humans also evolved consuming similar high foliage, high fiber diets, which were low in fat and dietary cholesterol. The macronutrient and fiber profile of the gorilla diet is one in which the colon is likely to play a major role in overall nutrition. Both the nutrient and fiber components of such a diet and the functional capacity of the hominoid colon may have important dietary implications for contemporary human health.

Full article can be read here.....
http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/127/10/2000

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[lostinstrangeworld]

People are always assuming that by examining our digestive tract, teeth, etc and comparing them to that of other animals, we can decipher what we "should" eat in the light of what is "natural".

But WE create our own reality!

Our genes are there to simply adjust to whatever!

[tejas]

What about all the poor plant energy life that you guys are consuming?

Plants are beings as well, and they feel pain - this has been shown scientifically recently. (Certain plants 'warn' other plants that they are being attacked by releasing chemical hormones)

Just because a life form doesn't look cute and cuddly it doesn't mean it isn't a life form.

Just have a trip on salvia and you'll realise that plants can talk ;)

Consider this, everytime you are eating anything you are killing it and absorbing its life consciousness.

I think the real issue is why we live in a system that requires the death of other life organisms to survive.

Just because you don't eat the cute and cuddly life forms it doesn't make you a better or more spiritual person than those that do.

If you want to be vegetarian for the health benefits then fine. But there are plenty of benefits for eating meat as well. It is all about having a balanced diet.

Every organism in this universe feeds of every other organism. You are no different.

This is the nature of the matrix, and the nature of the matrix creator itself.

Life has no laws, man has made up laws as an excuse to perpetuate the idea that killing is necessary to live. It isn't.

Ok then. Why dont you live of eating nothing for a while. Lets see how healthy you are. Whats that? Without food you die? And what exactly is food? Dead organic matter? Well it looks like feeding = survival seems like a very solid law to me....



Personally I think that vegetarianism is just as bad as meat eating.

What we really should be doing is this:
http://www.eightballmagazine.com/diatribes/volume02/007/138.htm

[eternal_spirit]

Tejas that's just a cop out for meat eaters and holds as much water as a bucket with holes.

LOl at plants taking. I talk to the trees and they talk back.

[thetonic]

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G'day Thetonic.

1. http://www.9622.net/images/lol-gorilla.jpg
Ahhhh, now this vegetarian from your supposition would be considered a meat eater......your math doesn't add up.

2. Life has no laws, man has made up laws as an excuse to perpetuate the idea that killing is necessary to live. It isn't.

You are entitled to make your own choices and express and experience yourself in relationship to those choices. However, consider this, when you kill something, the inherent life-force, energy, leaves the physicality of that which you have killed. You are then only putting something into your body that is considered dead. How is it that you then perceive that that which is dead can give life ???

We studied the western lowland gorilla diet as a possible model for human nutrient requirements with implications for colonic function. Gorillas in the Central African Republic were identified as consuming over 200 species and varieties of plants and 100 species and varieties of fruit. Thirty-one of the most commonly consumed foods were collected and dried locally before shipping for macronutrient and fiber analysis. The mean macronutrient concentrations were (mean ± SD, g/100 g dry basis) fat 0.5 ± 0.4, protein 11.8 ± 8.2, available carbohydrate 7.7 ± 6.3 and dietary fiber 74.0 ± 12.9. Assuming that the macronutrient profile of these foods was reflective of the whole gorilla diet and that dietary fiber contributed 6.28 kJ/g (1.5 kcal/g), then the gorilla diet would provide 810 kJ (194 kcal) metabolizable energy per 100 g dry weight. The macronutrient profile of this diet would be as follows: 2.5% energy as fat, 24.3% protein, 15.8% available carbohydrate, with potentially 57.3% of metabolizable energy from short-chain fatty acids (SCFA) derived from colonic fermentation of fiber. Gorillas would therefore obtain considerable energy through fiber fermentation. We suggest that humans also evolved consuming similar high foliage, high fiber diets, which were low in fat and dietary cholesterol. The macronutrient and fiber profile of the gorilla diet is one in which the colon is likely to play a major role in overall nutrition. Both the nutrient and fiber components of such a diet and the functional capacity of the hominoid colon may have important dietary implications for contemporary human health.

Full article can be read here.....
http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/127/10/2000

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Eh... Nothing you posted here even makes sense as a response to what i said... mmm k then... No mate im fraid your wrong.. You ARE eating the life force of a plant or animal, especially if you eat it raw! If you think that just because one cuts a tomoato off the vine that its dead now and theres no energy in it.. well im sorry but thats daft, same with an animal, you absorb their life force when you eat them as well

[thetonic]

What about all the poor plant energy life that you guys are consuming?

Plants are beings as well, and they feel pain - this has been shown scientifically recently. (Certain plants 'warn' other plants that they are being attacked by releasing chemical hormones)

Just because a life form doesn't look cute and cuddly it doesn't mean it isn't a life form.

Just have a trip on salvia and you'll realise that plants can talk ;)

Consider this, everytime you are eating anything you are killing it and absorbing its life consciousness.

I think the real issue is why we live in a system that requires the death of other life organisms to survive.

Just because you don't eat the cute and cuddly life forms it doesn't make you a better or more spiritual person than those that do.

If you want to be vegetarian for the health benefits then fine. But there are plenty of benefits for eating meat as well. It is all about having a balanced diet.

Every organism in this universe feeds of every other organism. You are no different.

This is the nature of the matrix, and the nature of the matrix creator itself.



Ok then. Why dont you live of eating nothing for a while. Lets see how healthy you are. Whats that? Without food you die? And what exactly is food? Dead organic matter? Well it looks like feeding = survival seems like a very solid law to me....



Personally I think that vegetarianism is just as bad as meat eating.

What we really should be doing is this:
http://www.eightballmagazine.com/diatribes/volume02/007/138.htm

THANK YOU FOR UNDERSTANDING! Although i wouldnt go so far to say that either are really bad... its all about where you want your body and mind to be vibrating... high vibrations , or low dark vibrations... I find that most people that eat tortured meat vibrate at a low frequency and have problems sorting things in their lives... And you are right , just because its a plant doesnt mean it doesnt have feelings or a consciousness, its just not a consciousness you can identify with , but its still there, so in essence you really are killing something each time you eat no matter what... I agree with this and im primarily VEGETARIAN! (although i hate labels).. Actually Im just a human, and i eat what i want... the end

[tejas]

Tejas that's just a cop out for meat eaters and holds as much water as a bucket with holes.

LOl at plants taking. I talk to the trees and they talk back.

LOL how is it a cop-out at all? Every mystical tradition talks about plants having a consciousness. You haven't even explained to me how it has any holes at all?

And I cannot believe you are laughing at my plants talking explanation. I guess you haven't heard of credo mutwa and his wife, who also talk to plants...

[eternal_spirit]

LOL how is it a cop-out at all? Every mystical tradition talks about plants having a consciousness. You haven't even explained to me how it has any holes at all?

And I cannot believe you are laughing at my plants talking explanation. I guess you haven't heard of credo mutwa and his wife, who also talk to plants...
.................

I feel no guilt eating plants, meat I do feel guilty that's just me how I feel about it. Credo wears skulls :confused: I think he has some good things to say, but much doesn't resonate with me.
You know plants are free range and lead a good life. the plants I talked to must be deaf:rolleyes: Or I'm not telepathic enough to hear. I am aware of the theories that if you talk to you're plants in a nice way they can grow faster and certain music they appreciate.

[tejas]

.................

I feel no guilt eating plants, meat I do feel guilty that's just me how I feel about it. Credo wears skulls :confused: I think he has some good things to say, but much doesn't resonate with me.
You know plants are free range and lead a good life. the plants I talked to must be deaf:rolleyes: Or I'm not telepathic enough to hear. I am aware of the theories that if you talk to you're plants in a nice way they can grow faster and certain music they appreciate.

Guilt is entirely relative to your perception. Do you think the reptilians feel guilt when they do what they do? Does a lion feel guilt when it kills a gazelle? Does a hawk feel guilt when it kills robin? Does a robin feel guilt when it kills a worm?

Guilt is another part of your programming in the matrix.

The food chain is everything in this reality. You kill to survive.

In one of the newsletters Icke goes to mutwa for a reading. There mutwa reads the bones.

In the same conversation, mutwas wife explains how she is a medicine healer.
She collects plants to heal the tribes people. The freaky part is, she only knows what plants to get and what quantity because the plants talk to her and tell her. She then gives them money to thank them.

When a plant 'talks' it is not talking as you and I understand it, it is the language of thought or consciousness that it uses as a medium to communicate through.

[lostinstrangeworld]

What about all the poor plant energy life that you guys are consuming?

Plants are beings as well, and they feel pain - this has been shown scientifically recently. (Certain plants 'warn' other plants that they are being attacked by releasing chemical hormones)

Just because a life form doesn't look cute and cuddly it doesn't mean it isn't a life form.

Just have a trip on salvia and you'll realise that plants can talk ;)

Consider this, everytime you are eating anything you are killing it and absorbing its life consciousness.

I think the real issue is why we live in a system that requires the death of other life organisms to survive.

Just because you don't eat the cute and cuddly life forms it doesn't make you a better or more spiritual person than those that do.

If you want to be vegetarian for the health benefits then fine. But there are plenty of benefits for eating meat as well. It is all about having a balanced diet.

Every organism in this universe feeds of every other organism. You are no different.

This is the nature of the matrix, and the nature of the matrix creator itself.



Ok then. Why dont you live of eating nothing for a while. Lets see how healthy you are. Whats that? Without food you die? And what exactly is food? Dead organic matter? Well it looks like feeding = survival seems like a very solid law to me....



Personally I think that vegetarianism is just as bad as meat eating.

What we really should be doing is this:
http://www.eightballmagazine.com/diatribes/volume02/007/138.htm


I am aware of this.

Personally I think there are higher dimensions where we won't have to kill or harm other life-forms for food.

I think that is only a part of this reality.

As for vegetarians being as bad as meat-eaters.....We could sit here and debate that all day.

At the end of the day we should listen to the obvious- our heart.

Highly enlightened masters have found ways to stop eating (virtually) altogether.


Vegetariansim is a step in the right direction.

Plants are so psychic, they are able to numb themselves off.
Animals can't do this.

Plants are another form of awareness, but animals so obviously feel pain and suffering the way we do. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".

Factory farming is abhorrant.

Hunting for pure survival is another matter.

[thoth]

How about this, we can feed off of the sun! We don't need food to eat or air to breathe. Its ALL DNA programming!We merely need to tap into the limitless quantum potential realities. Everything exist as a possibility, everything even existing without taking energy from anywhere. Why would you need any energy from anywhere, you are everything! All the energy you need is within you. You are the whole universe, so how can you be separate from all the energy you need? Needing anything is an illusion and seems to be an addiction if anything.

[tejas]

I am aware of this.

Personally I think there are higher dimensions where we won't have to kill or harm other life-forms for food.

I think that is only a part of this reality.

As for vegetarians being as bad as meat-eaters.....We could sit here and debate that all day.

At the end of the day we should listen to the obvious- our heart.

Highly enlightened masters have found ways to stop eating (virtually) altogether.


Vegetariansim is a step in the right direction.

Plants are so psychic, they are able to numb themselves off.
Animals can't do this.

Plants are another form of awareness, but animals so obviously feel pain and suffering the way we do. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".

Factory farming is abhorrant.

Hunting for pure survival is another matter.

Agreed.

The system is the real problem.

If you wish to be vegetarian to lessen the suffering of animals that is a noble cause. That is fine and it is up to you

But realise that this suffering is intrinsic to the system. You cannot call one kind of killing abhorrant and the other mearly survival both are the same.

The animals in nature will quite happilly kill and eat each other without human intervention.

Its all an illusion anyway.

The real step forward is to dismiss it as such.

[tejas]

How about this, we can feed off of the sun! We don't need food to eat or air to breathe. Its ALL DNA programming!We merely need to tap into the limitless quantum potential realities. Everything exist as a possibility, everything even existing without taking energy from anywhere. Why would you need any energy from anywhere, you are everything! All the energy you need is within you. You are the whole universe, so how can you be separate from all the energy you need? Needing anything is an illusion and seems to be an addiction if anything.

Exactly

[davidbarstis]

How about this, we can feed off of the sun! We don't need food to eat or air to breathe. Its ALL DNA programming!We merely need to tap into the limitless quantum potential realities. Everything exist as a possibility, everything even existing without taking energy from anywhere. Why would you need any energy from anywhere, you are everything! All the energy you need is within you. You are the whole universe, so how can you be separate from all the energy you need? Needing anything is an illusion and seems to be an addiction if anything.

Finally, a voice of reason. This post was originally about if we need meat or not. It's not about preference. We don't need meat to be healthy and in fact it is mostly unhealthy. People want to keep killing animals and eating meat because you have been programmed to think dead meat tastes good, then go ahead. But, stop trying to make yourselves sound intelligent because this conversation has turned quite childish.

[eternal_spirit]

How about this, we can feed off of the sun! We don't need food to eat or air to breathe. Its ALL DNA programming!We merely need to tap into the limitless quantum potential realities. Everything exist as a possibility, everything even existing without taking energy from anywhere. Why would you need any energy from anywhere, you are everything! All the energy you need is within you. You are the whole universe, so how can you be separate from all the energy you need? Needing anything is an illusion and seems to be an addiction if anything.

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Good luck with that. Should I order you're coffin now?

[thetonic]

Finally, a voice of reason. This post was originally about if we need meat or not. It's not about preference. We don't need meat to be healthy and in fact it is mostly unhealthy. People want to keep killing animals and eating meat because you have been programmed to think dead meat tastes good, then go ahead. But, stop trying to make yourselves sound intelligent because this conversation has turned quite childish.

Yah so nice of you to join converstation and dictate what the thread you didnt start is about and what direction it can go...??? We dont need meat eh?? Why dont you get back on your high horse, ride it to the Eskimos and explain that to them...wank

[strider]

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Good luck with that. Should I order you're coffin now?

There are a lot of people who don't eat a thing and they are very very healthy.. They live off the energy from the sun..

There was even a woman in china who went the last 35 YEARS of her life without eating or drinking..

It's just a matter of perception. Personally, I like eating food so I don't see myself taking up this experiment any time soon..

[davidbarstis]

Yah so nice of you to join converstation and dictate what the thread you didnt start is about and what direction it can go...??? We dont need meat eh?? Why dont you get back on your high horse, ride it to the Eskimos and explain that to them...wank

What a little baby. LOL. Get a brain loser.

[eternal_spirit]

There are a lot of people who don't eat a thing and they are very very healthy.. They live off the energy from the sun..

There was even a woman in china who went the last 35 YEARS of her life without eating or drinking..

It's just a matter of perception. Personally, I like eating food so I don't see myself taking up this experiment any time soon..

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This cannot be true.

Lol the last line says it all.

[thetonic]

There are a lot of people who don't eat a thing and they are very very healthy.. They live off the energy from the sun..

There was even a woman in china who went the last 35 YEARS of her life without eating or drinking..

It's just a matter of perception. Personally, I like eating food so I don't see myself taking up this experiment any time soon..

Please show example... Also.. Do you think you would grow up properly to adulthood without eating?:confused:

[davidbarstis]

There are a lot of people who don't eat a thing and they are very very healthy.. They live off the energy from the sun..

There was even a woman in china who went the last 35 YEARS of her life without eating or drinking..

It's just a matter of perception. Personally, I like eating food so I don't see myself taking up this experiment any time soon..

Don't waste your time with this imbicile. You can tell he's never done any research in his life and reached maturity in 3rd grade.

[strider]

Don't waste your time with this imbicile. You can tell he's never done any research in his life and reached maturity in 3rd grade.

Pardon me? With that response, I question that you will ever reach maturity..:D

[davidbarstis]

Pardon me? With that response, I question that you will ever reach maturity..:D

Not you, thetonic.

[strider]

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This cannot be true.

Lol the last line says it all.

This is true.. And what exactly does the last line mean to you..

I meant that if you have a powerful enough mind and can see through the matrix then you would understand that eating, along with a lot of other things, is programmed...

Do you think what ever created life in it's entirety, has to get up in the morning and eat a fry up? Then consider that you actually are everything that exists..

[strider]

Please show example... Also.. Do you think you would grow up properly to adulthood without eating?:confused:

I wouldn't personally recommend it. I was just stating that there are people who have no need to eat.. I haven't done much research in to it, but I have seen a couple of interviews and read a bit about it.

I'm not trying to promote it, I just mentioned it..

[davidbarstis]

This is true.. And what exactly does the last line mean to you..

I meant that if you have a powerful enough mind and can see through the matrix then you would understand that eating, along with a lot of other things, is programmed...

Do you think what ever created life in it's entirety, has to get up in the morning and eat a fry up? Then consider that you actually are everything that exists..

Strider, it's like explaining quantum physics to a 3 year old. These people have never done a bit of research all their life. They can get as mad as they want, but it shows in what they say. They try to insult me because I insulted them but I research everyday of my life. They play video games all day and try to tell others they know more. LOL What a joke this forum is turning out to be. All the REAL knowledge seekers left.

[eternal_spirit]

I wouldn't personally recommend it. I was just stating that there are people who have no need to eat.. I haven't done much research in to it, but I have seen a couple of interviews and read a bit about it.

I'm not trying to promote it, I just mentioned it..
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Yes no problem. There is a woman don't know her name can't remember. She claims to be a Breatharian ..which means she doesn't eat. She appeared on Talk Sport radio on the James Whale show years ago.

The process goes like this...vegetarian, vegan, fruitarian ( just eating fruit) and then the final step is breatharian but if i remember it involves mediation or something to achieve and sustain this state. I don't believe it.

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.breatharian.com/

http://www.angelfire.com/stars3/breathe_light/breatharianism.html

[strider]

Strider, it's like explaining quantum physics to a 3 year old. These people have never done a bit of research all their life. They can get as mad as they want, but it shows in what they say. They try to insult me because I insulted them but I research everyday of my life. They play video games all day and try to tell others they know more. LOL What a joke this forum is turning out to be. All the REAL knowledge seekers left.

O.k. mate, sorry we got our wires crossed..

You're also right that a lot of people have left this forum. I used to come here ages ago and got fed up with it all and left it for a while. This time round I'll try not to get too wound up by the cretins on here trying to make a mockery out of people who pretty much dedicate their lives to research..

[strider]

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Yes no problem. There is a woman don't know her name can't remember. She claims to be a Breatharian ..which means she doesn't eat. She appeared on Talk Sport radio on the James Whale show years ago.

The process goes like this...vegetarian, vegan, fruitarian ( just eating fruit) and then the final step is breatharian but if i remember it involves mediation or something to achieve and sustain this state. I don't believe it.

I absolutely believe it is possible. But like I said before, I wouldn't personally be into doing it as I love sitting down and having a meal, full stop. Maybe things will change, I don't know.

[thetonic]

Strider, it's like explaining quantum physics to a 3 year old. These people have never done a bit of research all their life. They can get as mad as they want, but it shows in what they say. They try to insult me because I insulted them but I research everyday of my life. They play video games all day and try to tell others they know more. LOL What a joke this forum is turning out to be. All the REAL knowledge seekers left.

Once again you show how completely ignorant and non - productive you are... How do you know i havent been researching this for the last ten years of MY life?? You certainly make an awful lot of assumptions about the people on this forum as well... You are still locked in a matrix my friend.. Its called your own dogmatic ignorance.. Im always open to new ideas , and thats why i debate and discuss on this forum... If you think the forum is a joke , then you proabably should leave it .. What is a "REAL" knowledge seeker??? Someone who agrees with your viewpoint???

[chris]

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Yes no problem. There is a woman don't know her name can't remember. She claims to be a Breatharian ..which means she doesn't eat. She appeared on Talk Sport radio on the James Whale show years ago.

The process goes like this...vegetarian, vegan, fruitarian ( just eating fruit) and then the final step is breatharian but if i remember it involves mediation or something to achieve and sustain this state. I don't believe it.

The type of meditation is usually pranayama with full zenlike meditaiton and very little activity.

I've looked into this and I've found many to be frauds when it comes to this, some woman claimed to be a breatharian and just used to sneak in food out a hole was found out and totally discredited. There are several others even ones who have died.

Some guy is a breatharian and just gets energy from the grass through his feet and from sun gazing, although he does eat herbal teas which isn't breatharian to me.

I try to be frutarian as much as possible but these labels are stupid, I rather get the best food than forgo a certain type so you can fit into a box, I'm currently on the 18th day of a fast right now and its amazing that I'm still toxic as hell, I can't imagine how bad regular people on regular diets are.

[tejas]

http://www.solarhealing.com/default.htm


This guy just gets energy from the sun.

I do not believe that he is a fraud, at least 3 medical teams and NASA have studied him under observation for 100-200 day periods.

[eternal_spirit]

I try to be frutarian as much as possible but these labels are stupid, I rather get the best food than forgo a certain type so you can fit into a box, I'm currently on the 18th day of a fast right now and its amazing that I'm still toxic as hell, I can't imagine how bad regular people on regular diets are.
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Good luck with that Chris.....Fast as in no food :confused: have you got secret potion you drink?

[davidbarstis]

Once again you show how completely ignorant and non - productive you are... How do you know i havent been researching this for the last ten years of MY life?? You certainly make an awful lot of assumptions about the people on this forum as well... You are still locked in a matrix my friend.. Its called your own dogmatic ignorance.. Im always open to new ideas , and thats why i debate and discuss on this forum... If you think the forum is a joke , then you proabably should leave it .. What is a "REAL" knowledge seeker??? Someone who agrees with your viewpoint???

By what you say idiot. You say you need meat??????? I would love to see all the research that proves that and quite simply, you tell me what nutrients you get in meat that you can't get with other mixtures of food. Why don't you look at my first post at the beginning of this thread and tell me one ignorant thing I said, then I'll show you all the things you said. Don't call me ignorant because I called you out. I'm a body builder who doesn't need dead animals and i can almost guarantee I'm healthier than you, but i guess we'll never know. You like meat fine but stop trying to convince people they need meat based on nothing. That my friend is ignorance. Fucking troll.

[tejas]

Finally, a voice of reason. This post was originally about if we need meat or not. It's not about preference. We don't need meat to be healthy and in fact it is mostly unhealthy. People want to keep killing animals and eating meat because you have been programmed to think dead meat tastes good, then go ahead. But, stop trying to make yourselves sound intelligent because this conversation has turned quite childish.

I think you miss the point.

I am not condoning or rejecting meat-eating.

In order to understand what must be done, you have to realise the reasons behind both arguments.

The fact of the matter is, meat-eating or vegetarianism is a non-issue if one is to reach the source of the problem.

There are various studies into the benifits of both.

I am a medical student, and in my studies the best diets are the Mediterranean diets. Those which promote a healthy balance between meat and vegetables, fish oils, nuts and high fibre diets.

Vegetarians(not all) have serious IRDA( Iron-deficiency anaemia) problems, and as such need to take supplements regularly.

Various forms of meat are rich in iron and other forms of nutrients.
Getting a large amount of protein from vegetables is very difficult, unless you are genetically designed to be able to do as such.

We aren't cows or other hebivores as we do not have the stomach enzymes or cud-chewing abilities to maximize the nutrients gained from plants.

Of course animal fats are very very bad for you. Pork is a rubbish meat, as are lobsters crabs, etc.

Red meat in moderation can be conductive to muscle growth.

Blah blah

[ho1ogram]

I LOVE YOU

G'day all, there is something different about the life force of an animal compared to the life force of a plant because vegetables and herbs last for a lot longer after they are 'killed' than an animal does. At the market the fruit and veg and herbs and spices are layed out unrefrigerated, while the meat is all frozen or refrigerated. I can even pick up fruit from the ground and eat it with no worries a few days after it has fallen off a tree. If you eat an animal you have to do it pretty soon after it is killed unless you preserve it somehow.

THANK YOU

[thetonic]

By what you sat idiot. You say you need meat??????? I would love to see all the research that proves that and quite simply, you tell me what nutrients you get in meat that you can't get with other mixtures of food. Why don't you look at my first post at the beginning of this thread and tell me one ignorant thing I said, then I'll show you all the things you said. Don't call me ignorant because I called you out. I'm a body builder who doesn't need dead animals and i can almost guarantee I'm healthier than you, but i guess we'll never know. You like meat fine but stop trying to convince people they need meat based on nothing. That my friend is ignorance. Fucking troll.

Allright final reply to your ignorant dogmatic ass... Firstly I never said people "NEED" meat.. Never.. I did say that some people, like eskimos, other natives, eat meat in their diet currently to survive, and you are the scumbag telling them they shouldnt eat it , fine.. Do that .. Let that be your mission in life to tell ethnic peoples of the world what you think is bad for them.. You called me out eh?? WOW you are sooo clever, i didnt even notice it , thats truely amazing! Id say that your mind is obviously not healthier, and full of dogmatic principles, go ahead stand in front of your mirror and body build buddy!:eek:

[eternal_spirit]

I LOVE YOU


G'day all, there is something different about the life force of an animal compared to the life force of a plant because vegetables and herbs last for a lot longer after they are 'killed' than an animal does. At the market the fruit and veg and herbs and spices are layed out unrefrigerated, while the meat is all frozen or refrigerated. I can even pick up fruit from the ground and eat it with no worries a few days after it has fallen off a tree. If you eat an animal you have to do it pretty soon after it is killed unless you preserve it somehow.

THANK YOU

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Yes like animals have souls and are sentient creatures and have much in common with humans. Plants don't have any of this.

[tejas]

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Yes like animals have souls and are sentient creatures and have much in common with humans. Plants don't have any of this.

Says who?

[eternal_spirit]

Says who?

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It's obvious. What do you think?

[tejas]

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It's obvious. What do you think?

But I already explained to you how in another field of consciousness plants are very much sentient :rolleyes:

[exmicrochipmafia]

my feeling is veggie diet is almost certainly healthier but the odd bit of meat won't do you no harm (except all the shit and chemicals they feed the animal)

I think in general eating meat densens your energy spiritually more than veggies and veggies more than fruit etc.


I'm going to disagree with your last point on the dampening of your energy on the point of eating wild game. I'm a hunter and I have got to tell you that when I got off the 'supermarket variety meat' and hunted all that I ate, my energy levels sky rocketed and I never felt more alive. I haven't hunted in almost three years out of respect for my wife's feelings on the subject, and am back on the supermarket sludge, and I know that my energy is back down. When I was on my diet of wild venison (all varieties) and wild birds, I couldn't stomach or stand eating beef; it was slimy, for lack of a better word and didn't agree with me at all. Currently I have no choice in the matter, at least at present and eat store bought beef, but I eat less of it just 'cause I know what I'm missing.
Fish: I eat wild fish- whatever I can catch and whenever I have the time to go catch some. Store bought fish elicits about the same reaction as store bought beef or pork (can't even eat pork anymore) and I refuse to eat any farm raised fish....something just so WRONG with that.
Chicken: I'd rather eat wild goose or duck to tell you the honest truth. I knew a farmer who gave up traditional chicken feed on his birds and free ranged them. There's just something so inanely wrong when an animal can be ready for the butcher in just three months from hatching (and be fully grown) when it normally takes six months... and people wonder why our young ones seem to be sexually maturing and developing at alarmingly younger ages?!?!

[chris]

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Good luck with that Chris.....Fast as in no food :confused: have you got secret potion you drink?

If I had I would only be cheating myself. I have had the odd finger nail that I failed to spit out...really bad habit...

[chris]

I'm going to disagree with your last point on the dampening of your energy on the point of eating wild game. I'm a hunter and I have got to tell you that when I got off the 'supermarket variety meat' and hunted all that I ate, my energy levels sky rocketed and I never felt more alive. I haven't hunted in almost three years out of respect for my wife's feelings on the subject, and am back on the supermarket sludge, and I know that my energy is back down. When I was on my diet of wild venison (all varieties) and wild birds, I couldn't stomach or stand eating beef; it was slimy, for lack of a better word and didn't agree with me at all. Currently I have no choice in the matter, at least at present and eat store bought beef, but I eat less of it just 'cause I know what I'm missing.
Fish: I eat wild fish- whatever I can catch and whenever I have the time to go catch some. Store bought fish elicits about the same reaction as store bought beef or pork (can't even eat pork anymore) and I refuse to eat any farm raised fish....something just so WRONG with that.
Chicken: I'd rather eat wild goose or duck to tell you the honest truth. I knew a farmer who gave up traditional chicken feed on his birds and free ranged them. There's just something so inanely wrong when an animal can be ready for the butcher in just three months from hatching (and be fully grown) when it normally takes six months... and people wonder why our young ones seem to be sexually maturing and developing at alarmingly younger ages?!?!
Utmost respect to your wife but can I get this straight? She lets you eat the pre-packaged for our convenience, tortured, diseased, putrefying, enslaved, malnourished, depressed, drugged, frozen, parasitic, corporate gruel because she doesn't have to take into consideration its wellbeing when it's a slab of meat rather than being cute?

When you catch your own game then you must understand it a lot more than the sense of denial most people get than when they get their chickens from the supermarket as though they magically appeared in cellophane.

When you catch your own game then you are truly getting free ranged food (regular free-range is far from free) and respect the animal and would cook it properly.

I eat very little meat because regardless of what milk and dairy studies teat they are sucking onto, fruit and veg are better in every department (as far as humans go) but this kind of stuff baffles me beyond belief. Tell me your wife is a vegan or very close.

Most people that cling to these meat and dairy studies are simply in denial and would rather believe a lie than to change their habits. I am all for people eating meat, especially their own game but as researchers we shouldn’t be biased simply because we want to be. Reminds me of that idiot who like to believe that smoking is good for you (despite discovering other great research). Fooling yourself is one thing, spreading this disinfo is another but hey ho if people are stupid enough to bite, then so be it.

[i am all i am]

What about all the poor plant energy life that you guys are consuming?

Plants are beings as well, and they feel pain - this has been shown scientifically recently. (Certain plants 'warn' other plants that they are being attacked by releasing chemical hormones)

Just because a life form doesn't look cute and cuddly it doesn't mean it isn't a life form.

Just have a trip on salvia and you'll realise that plants can talk ;)

Consider this, everytime you are eating anything you are killing it and absorbing its life consciousness.

I think the real issue is why we live in a system that requires the death of other life organisms to survive.

Just because you don't eat the cute and cuddly life forms it doesn't make you a better or more spiritual person than those that do.

If you want to be vegetarian for the health benefits then fine. But there are plenty of benefits for eating meat as well. It is all about having a balanced diet.

Every organism in this universe feeds of every other organism. You are no different.

This is the nature of the matrix, and the nature of the matrix creator itself.

Life has no laws, man has made up laws as an excuse to perpetuate the idea that killing is necessary to live. It isn't.

Ok then. Why dont you live of eating nothing for a while. Lets see how healthy you are. Whats that? Without food you die? And what exactly is food? Dead organic matter? Well it looks like feeding = survival seems like a very solid law to me....

Personally I think that vegetarianism is just as bad as meat eating.

What we really should be doing is this:
http://www.eightballmagazine.com/diatribes/volume02/007/138.htm

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Tejas.

Yes indeed plants have feelings.

Have you read 'The Secret Life Of Plants' or "The Psychic Power Of Plants' ???

Either one has copious amounts of information that has scientifically shown this.

Do you consider that the eating of that which the plant has divested itself of to be "killing" it ???

Amazing how the plant continues to thrive and multiply itself considering your belief that it has been "killed". Maybe you have a misunderstanding of how fruits and nuts are obtained from plants and the reason that plants produce them.

Do you talk with plants ???

I have done so and continue to do so. I have a perfect relationship with the plants that I gain food from in the garden. Maybe the plants that you have communicated with have expressed themselves differently with you than they have with me.

If so, could you please explain what it is that they have communicated to you ???

Do you have any studies that are not from the meat industry, or are not sponsored by the meat industry, that show any benefits of eating meat ???

You put forth a supposition about the "nature of the matrix, and the nature of the matrix creator itself", how is it that you have come to this conclusion ???

I have lived from eating nothing for a while. I choose to eat, not to sustain the physical, but to control the chemical balance of the physical to create experientially within the physical that which I choose to experience.

Food is not "dead organic matter". That may be what you put into your physicality, but it is certainly not what I put into my physicality.

For you to declare that it "seems like a very solid law to me", would by necessity mean that you have traversed the infinite to make sure that there is no contradiction to this apparent "law" that you declare. Is this the case that you have done this ???

"Personally", you can believe whatever you choose to believe, but that doesn't make it a fact, as exemplified by your apparent "law" that you have declared.

THANK YOU.



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[i am all i am]

Eh... Nothing you posted here even makes sense as a response to what i said... mmm k then... No mate im fraid your wrong.. You ARE eating the life force of a plant or animal, especially if you eat it raw! If you think that just because one cuts a tomoato off the vine that its dead now and theres no energy in it.. well im sorry but thats daft, same with an animal, you absorb their life force when you eat them as well

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Thetonic.

It probably doesn't make sense to you because you have chosen for it not to and are merely attempting to make it appear "wrong" so that you appear right, which you also prefaced by saying "im fraid".

Does this mean that you are afraid to appear "wrong" and this is why you have not chosen to understand what has been written in response ???

Hehehe, no where have I declared that any fruit is dead, let alone that there is no energy in it. You may require to re-read what I have written a few times to understand it, but I believe that you have the capability to get it eventually.

THANK YOU.



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[davidbarstis]

Allright final reply to your ignorant dogmatic ass... Firstly I never said people "NEED" meat.. Never.. I did say that some people, like eskimos, other natives, eat meat in their diet currently to survive, and you are the scumbag telling them they shouldnt eat it , fine.. Do that .. Let that be your mission in life to tell ethnic peoples of the world what you think is bad for them.. You called me out eh?? WOW you are sooo clever, i didnt even notice it , thats truely amazing! Id say that your mind is obviously not healthier, and full of dogmatic principles, go ahead stand in front of your mirror and body build buddy!:eek:

OK, I'll reasonable for a second. Did you ever think that eskimos have less access to vegetables? Where the hell did I say what people could or couldn't eat? Stop making things up. They also mostly eat fish which actually does have health benefits unlike chicken, beef or pork. It's YOUR choice to eat meat. Meat is not good for you, plain and simple. Thats not my opinion, thats a fact. So it has protein and a few other things, you can get the same in other foods and not harm yourself while doing it. Your digestive system has a hard time digesting it, it clogs you up, animal fat has shown to be somewhat toxic to the body, there is no healthy bacteria in it, it's dead matter. Vegetables are live food for the body and benefits it in every way. I am far from having dogmatic beliefs. Do you believe in reptilians? Ah didn't think so. Too far out for you?

[horus21]

Isnt there other issues which you should try to sort out before the eat meat debate?
Just a thought

[davidbarstis]

Isnt there other issues which you should try to sort out before the eat meat debate?
Just a thought

This really has nothing to do with meat. It's telling people meat is good for you because you like it. I want to see evidence for comments like that. Is that a big deal to you?

[horus21]

This really has nothing to do with meat. It's telling people meat is good for you because you like it. I want to see evidence for comments like that. Is that a big deal to you?

No, it was just a thought. I just think people should try to concentrate on the issues which are shaping our future as man. I havnt followed the thread so I dont know... But my thought still stands.

And I eat animals.

[davidbarstis]

No, it was just a thought. I just think people should try to concentrate on the issues which are shaping our future as man. I havnt followed the thread so I dont know... But my thought still stands.

And I eat animals.

I eat some meat too, but not for long. It actually makes me feel crummy and binds my system up. But I don't go around and tell people its healthy. You can eat anything you want horus21 thats your right. I've never said people couldn't. I won't get into it, but you are right, there are more important things. I just call people out who make baseless claims. Read the thread from the beginning and you will see. But dogmatic beliefs, even about this issue does tie in to the bigger issues because people have this know it all attitude and have researched nothing. Just like everything else in life, telling people what is right or wrong with nothing but their conditioned beliefs guiding the way. Thank you horus21, you are correct what you say.

[horus21]

I eat some meat too, but not for long. It actually makes me feel crummy and binds my system up. But I don't go around and tell people its healthy. You can eat anything you want horus21 thats your right. I've never said people couldn't. I won't get into it, but you are right, there are more important things. I just call people out who make baseless claims. Read the thread from the beginning and you will see. But dogmatic beliefs, even about this issue does tie in to the bigger issues because people have this know it all attitude and have researched nothing. Just like everything else in life, telling people what is right or wrong with nothing but their conditioned beliefs guiding the way. Thank you horus21, you are correct what you say.

:)
I read through the tread and I understand now. I would have done the same.

[uchiha]

I heard that if you go vegan also by some guy that you are likely to devolve into a chimp in the course of three to five years. Just look at the hippies protesting, they are half way there. Of course all the humans that turn completely get tickets to the amazon and places in China before they are completely recorded but it's a fact.

Forget that cows eat grass and synthasize meat out of that, it's disinfo, cows really tuck into a turkey dinner late at night and all that grazing they do are sucking up worms and moles to consume.

Amino acids which protein is made out of are completely different if you get it from a stake or a fruit. So you're open to sodomy if you get your amino acids from a different source other than like proteins.

You need like proteins so badly which is why I recommend a diet of cannibalism, this is the healthiest diet of all and makes you go into a religious trance like those mad cows do. Of course, they call them mad cows but the fact is that they are in rapture.

Fibreless acidic food is the way to go, imagine the A team had a tank and then took it apart and made a nail gun out of it (now that's how we roll).

Have you any more articles by that guy? It would be nice to read something from someone sane before I shoot myself in the head.

let me sum this up for everyone so they dont have to read it

Your an Idiot

[mr_moon]

Oh dear.

We're all learning. Nobody is right and nobody is wrong. If you think you are right you have a big tendancy to help others but it seems the ego is getting in the way OR you are stubborn and closed minded... or neither.

If you think you are wrong then you are easily influenced by strong opinion and your mind is being forced closed... or it isn't.

Who are we again? Humans? Energy? Consciousness? Spirits? Holograms? ET Hybrids? Sound and Light? Vibrating Frequency? Pure Love?

I do not question your beliefs and opinions or values but here this:

"We do the things we do because we have made our own choice. We do the things we do because it is natural for us to do it on a personal level. Whatever we do... we are doing the right thing for ourself and for others no matter how right or wrong it may appear to be."

Much Love
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[thetonic]

let me sum this up for everyone so they dont have to read it

Your an Idiot

No you are the idiot that cant discern when someone is being sarcastic
:confused:

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[thetonic]

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Thetonic.

It probably doesn't make sense to you because you have chosen for it not to and are merely attempting to make it appear "wrong" so that you appear right, which you also prefaced by saying "im fraid".

Does this mean that you are afraid to appear "wrong" and this is why you have not chosen to understand what has been written in response ???

Hehehe, no where have I declared that any fruit is dead, let alone that there is no energy in it. You may require to re-read what I have written a few times to understand it, but I believe that you have the capability to get it eventually.

THANK YOU.



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heehehee yah , i think your delving a little too deep into my speedily typed response buddy.. Because i said "im fraid your wrong" does not mean the im afraid of you, or being wrong.. It simply means that i typed im afraid YOUR wrong... :p....And truthfully i really dont care you can sit there and call me wrong all day, people did that to Icke in the past, eh so whatever .. You didnt declare that fruit was dead , but did say that meat was dead, and im not sure if you could understand that once you kill an animal , it may appear dead, but no more so than if i cut down a sunflower stalk , it now appears dead too... But there is still resident energy in both and that is what YOU dont seem to understand ..But i hope that you can grasp this concept... eventually

[tejas]

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Tejas.

Yes indeed plants have feelings.

Have you read 'The Secret Life Of Plants' or "The Psychic Power Of Plants' ???

Either one has copious amounts of information that has scientifically shown this.

Do you consider that the eating of that which the plant has divested itself of to be "killing" it ???

Amazing how the plant continues to thrive and multiply itself considering your belief that it has been "killed". Maybe you have a misunderstanding of how fruits and nuts are obtained from plants and the reason that plants produce them.

Do you talk with plants ???

I have done so and continue to do so. I have a perfect relationship with the plants that I gain food from in the garden. Maybe the plants that you have communicated with have expressed themselves differently with you than they have with me.

If so, could you please explain what it is that they have communicated to you ???

Do you have any studies that are not from the meat industry, or are not sponsored by the meat industry, that show any benefits of eating meat ???

You put forth a supposition about the "nature of the matrix, and the nature of the matrix creator itself", how is it that you have come to this conclusion ???

I have lived from eating nothing for a while. I choose to eat, not to sustain the physical, but to control the chemical balance of the physical to create experientially within the physical that which I choose to experience.

Food is not "dead organic matter". That may be what you put into your physicality, but it is certainly not what I put into my physicality.

For you to declare that it "seems like a very solid law to me", would by necessity mean that you have traversed the infinite to make sure that there is no contradiction to this apparent "law" that you declare. Is this the case that you have done this ???

"Personally", you can believe whatever you choose to believe, but that doesn't make it a fact, as exemplified by your apparent "law" that you have declared.

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Firstly have you heard of the venus fly trap? OR entomopathogenic funguses? No? Didn't think so. Not all of your plants are nice and 'loving'. Nature can be a cruel fight for survival. It is not the 'nice' 'loving' reality that you hippies think. Both these plants lure unsuspecting insects into their lair and kill them mercilessly.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=o3t4v8PmY_Q

Notice specifically in the above video how each fungus has a SPECIFIC insect that it feeds of. I.e it has a specifically DESIGNED prey counterpart, and idea from the creator/matrix mind which I will get to later

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1200/is_14_159/ai_104730213

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ktIGVtKdgwo

And according to you, if I cut a worm in half, ate that half, and left the other half (which regenerates itself) that would be nice and moral, as I havent killed the worm. Okay.

I have no qualms about eating fruit or nuts, it is clear that these have been designed to be eaten. But just as clear is it that meat and animals have been designed to be eaten by bigger animals.

Cats eat mice. Eagles eat robins. Robins eat worms. Kingfishers eat fish. Hawks eat kingfishers.

Just watch any nature program to see how well designed the food chain is and how it works.

Carnivores are specifically designed with their eyes in the front of their heads to catch prey. Lions, tigers, wolfs etc all have their eyes in the front of their heads. Herbivores conversely have their eyes in the sides of their heads to allowing them to have a much wider range of vision to avoid being 'prey'..

Carnivores CANNOT live without eating meat. Ie they biologically cannot be vegetarians. Herbivores CANNOT live eating meat, i.e they biologically cannot be meat-eaters.

WE on the other hand are omnivores, and are designed to eat a balance of the two.

And this brings me on to the point of the creator. The creator is a macroparasite. Read monroes work about loosh farming. Read 'Infinite love is the only truth' by Icke, where in one of the paragrahs the ayahusca voice tells him that :
"The creation is an expression of the creator, so a reality which is based on survival and fighting and dieing is ultimately a creation of the creator."
( I do not have an exact quote as I do not have the book with me currently, but it is there)
Icke calls the creator the 'matrix-mind'

And yes, I have talked to plants on salvia. I felt the presence of the trees (whos wisdom is unsurpassable as they are very old) and various other plants including the salvia plant itself.

Unfortunately the subject of vegetarianism didn't come up.

Do you have any studies that are not from the meat industry, or are not sponsored by the meat industry, that show any benefits of eating meat ???

Yes, I have read studies included in my medical course conducted by various doctors/academics which shows empirically that the Mediterranean diets are the best in terms of health. I.e a good balanced mix of fish/chicken vegetables olives nuts etc.

For you to declare that it "seems like a very solid law to me", would by necessity mean that you have traversed the infinite to make sure that there is no contradiction to this apparent "law" that you declare. Is this the case that you have done this ???


This is another prime example of taking 'we create reality' too far and not being pragmatic or practical about it. This is indeed a law in the realms that we are living in. Im not saying we can't break these laws but at the moment we haven't.
Can you walk on water? Can you raise the dead? Can you walk through walls? No?

Finally, as a side note, I understand the Irony of calling you a hippie while I myself say I talk to plants. :D

[thetonic]

Firstly have you heard of the venus fly trap? OR entomopathogenic funguses? No? Didn't think so. Not all of your plants are nice and 'loving'. Nature can be a cruel fight for survival. It is not the 'nice' 'loving' reality that you hippies think. Both these plants lure unsuspecting insects into their lair and kill them mercilessly.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=o3t4v8PmY_Q

Notice specifically in the above video how each fungus has a SPECIFIC insect that it feeds of. I.e it has a specifically DESIGNED prey counterpart, and idea from the creator/matrix mind which I will get to later

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1200/is_14_159/ai_104730213

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ktIGVtKdgwo

And according to you, if I cut a worm in half, ate that half, and left the other half (which regenerates itself) that would be nice and moral, as I havent killed the worm. Okay.

I have no qualms about eating fruit or nuts, it is clear that these have been designed to be eaten. But just as clear is it that meat and animals have been designed to be eaten by bigger animals.

Cats eat mice. Eagles eat robins. Robins eat worms. Kingfishers eat fish. Hawks eat kingfishers.

Just watch any nature program to see how well designed the food chain is and how it works.

Carnivores are specifically designed with their eyes in the front of their heads to catch prey. Lions, tigers, wolfs etc all have their eyes in the front of their heads. Herbivores conversely have their eyes in the sides of their heads to allowing them to have a much wider range of vision to avoid being 'prey'..

Carnivores CANNOT live without eating meat. Ie they biologically cannot be vegetarians. Herbivores CANNOT live eating meat, i.e they biologically cannot be meat-eaters.

WE on the other hand are omnivores, and are designed to eat a balance of the two.

And this brings me on to the point of the creator. The creator is a macroparasite. Read monroes work about loosh farming. Read 'Infinite love is the only truth' by Icke, where in one of the paragrahs the ayahusca voice tells him that :
"The creation is an expression of the creator, so a reality which is based on survival and fighting and dieing is ultimately a creation of the creator."
( I do not have an exact quote as I do not have the book with me currently, but it is there)
Icke calls the creator the 'matrix-mind'

And yes, I have talked to plants on salvia. I felt the presence of the trees (whos wisdom is unsurpassable as they are very old) and various other plants including the salvia plant itself.

Unfortunately the subject of vegetarianism didn't come up.



Yes, I have read studies included in my medical course conducted by various doctors/academics which shows empirically that the Mediterranean diets are the best in terms of health. I.e a good balanced mix of fish/chicken vegetables olives nuts etc.



This is another prime example of taking 'we create reality' too far and not being pragmatic or practical about it. This is indeed a law in the realms that we are living in. Im not saying we can't break these laws but at the moment we haven't.
Can you walk on water? Can you raise the dead? Can you walk through walls? No?

Finally, as a side note, I understand the Irony of calling you a hippie while I myself say I talk to plants. :D

Well said tejas

[i am all i am]

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Tejas.

Firstly have you heard of the venus fly trap?

Yes.

OR entomopathogenic funguses?

Yes.

No? Didn't think so.

You have asked questions and not waited for a response, instead making assumptions because you "Didn't think".

Not all of your plants are nice and 'loving'.

I claim no ownership to any plants, so when you say "your plants", you are making an assumption of ownership that is not there.

Nature can be a cruel fight for survival.

It can also be a loving enviroment.

It is not the 'nice' 'loving' reality that you hippies think.

Why do you find it necessary to attempt to attach a label to me ???

Is this because of your indoctrination into science, which attempts to label everything ???

Both these plants lure unsuspecting insects into their lair and kill them mercilessly.

And because they do this, does that then mean that you should also do similar acts of violence ???

Or do you think that you could make your decisions, not based on what actions anything outside of you does, but from the true essence of Who You Are ???

And according to you, if I cut a worm in half, ate that half, and left the other half (which regenerates itself) that would be nice and moral, as I havent killed the worm. Okay.

Morals are a blanket solution to spontaneous events, and at no point have I posted anything about someting being moralistc, or that I have morals.

George W. Bush has morals, and that is why he can justify to an American population that also has morals, why it is fine and dandy to kill others in another country for their supposed survival.

I have no qualms about eating fruit or nuts, it is clear that these have been designed to be eaten. But just as clear is it that meat and animals have been designed to be eaten by bigger animals.

So would this also mean that you believe that any bigger animal than you is designed to eat you ???

Funny that some of the biggest animals on the planet are completely vegetarian.

Carnivores are specifically designed with their eyes in the front of their heads to catch prey. Lions, tigers, wolfs etc all have their eyes in the front of their heads. Herbivores conversely have their eyes in the sides of their heads to allowing them to have a much wider range of vision to avoid being 'prey'..

So, eyes in the side of the head means herbivore.....and the great white shark would be considered a herbivore from this assumption. And the venus flytrap that you mentioned previously, having no eyes, would be considered what ??

Carnivores CANNOT live without eating meat. Ie they biologically cannot be vegetarians. Herbivores CANNOT live eating meat, i.e they biologically cannot be meat-eaters.

You make declerations based on scientific assumptions.

The dog that I live with eats what I eat, that is, no meat. A supposed carnivore living as a herbivore.

http://vegpets.com/

And this brings me on to the point of the creator. The creator is a macroparasite. Read monroes work about loosh farming. Read 'Infinite love is the only truth' by Icke, where in one of the paragrahs the ayahusca voice tells him that :
"The creation is an expression of the creator, so a reality which is based on survival and fighting and dieing is ultimately a creation of the creator."

Yes, you are a creator, I am a creator, in fact, everyone is a creator. If you choose to BE a macroparasite, then that is what you will create and experience.

I have chosen differently, and therefore, my experience is different to yours, because I create my reality and you create your reality. This means, that what you express you will experience, or, as you belive so you conceive, or, what you give out you get back, etc, etc.

And yes, I have talked to plants on salvia. I felt the presence of the trees (whos wisdom is unsurpassable as they are very old) and various other plants including the salvia plant itself.

Unfortunately the subject of vegetarianism didn't come up.

Have a go at talking with them outside of the use of a mind altering substance, they will still communicate with you.

Yes, I have read studies included in my medical course conducted by various doctors/academics which shows empirically that the Mediterranean diets are the best in terms of health. I.e a good balanced mix of fish/chicken vegetables olives nuts etc.

And who was it that funded these studies ???

This is another prime example of taking 'we create reality' too far and not being pragmatic or practical about it. This is indeed a law in the realms that we are living in. Im not saying we can't break these laws but at the moment we haven't.
Can you walk on water? Can you raise the dead? Can you walk through walls? No?

How could something within an infinite creation be taken "too far" ???

We live within infinity, and you are attempting to seperate a small part of it and declare that it has laws merely to back up your belief system.

"As you say it for you shall it be." I can walk on water, I can raise the dead, I can walk through walls. This is my choice because I understand that what I express through thoughts, actions, words, will be what I experience.

Finally, as a side note, I understand the Irony of calling you a hippie while I myself say I talk to plants. :D

It is merely an attachment of labels that you have been trained to do through the indoctrination process of the scientific/education system.

THANK YOU.



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[purple is a fruit]

great post IAAIA there are infinite sides to every coin.

Love from Purple

[i am all i am]

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Thetonic.

heehehee yah , i think your delving a little too deep into my speedily typed response buddy..

Or maybe your "speedily typed response" is not well thought out and merely a knee jerk reaction by a mental thought pattern that is unwilling to let go of an indoctrinated belief system.

Because i said "im fraid your wrong" does not mean the im afraid of you, or being wrong..

As you express something, you will experience that expression. By expressing "im fraid", you will experience that.

It simply means that i typed im afraid YOUR wrong...

When paired opposites define your beliefs your beliefs will imprison you.

You are merely imprisoning yourself into a duality system (right an wrong, black and white, etc) by attempting to make something wrong so that you can be right, which is an attempt at being superior to that which you are attempting to make wrong.

And truthfully i really dont care you can sit there and call me wrong all day

At no point did I declare that you are wrong.....you can re-read the posts that I made to confirm this.

You didnt declare that fruit was dead , but did say that meat was dead, and im not sure if you could understand that once you kill an animal , it may appear dead, but no more so than if i cut down a sunflower stalk , it now appears dead too... But there is still resident energy in both and that is what YOU dont seem to understand ..But i hope that you can grasp this concept... eventually

What you do not appear to understand is that the energy source that animated the physicality leaves the physicality when you "kill" that physicality.

Do you believe that you can eat a persons soul when you consume their flesh ???

When you eat an apple, the tree that provided the apple is not "dead", or has not been "killed", therefore, the inherent energy that created the physicality of the apple is still living, and so the apple is a living source of energy.

This is not so when you consume meat.

THANK YOU.



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[kasalt]

"The central question about vegetarian diets used to be whether it was healthy to eliminate meat and other animal foods. Now, however, the main question has become whether it is healthier to be a vegetarian than to be a meat eater. The answer to both questions, based on currently available evidence, seems to be yes. - Jane E. Brody, New York Times News Service"

Health and a Meatless Diet:
http://www.webcom.com/~ara/col/books/VEG/ht/chapone.html

[i am all i am]

great post IAAIA there are infinite sides to every coin.

Love from Purple

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Purple.

Thanks gorgeous.

The part of infinity that we are describing as the Aussie get together is something that I am looking forward to sharing with you and everyone else that is going. It will be a beautiful experience to meet you in person and I look forward to it.

Love from I AM ALL I AM until we meet in person.

THANK YOU.



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I LOVE YOU.

G'day Purple.

Thanks gorgeous.

The part of infinity that we are describing as the Aussie get together is something that I am looking forward to sharing with you and everyone else that is going. It will be a beautiful experience to meet you in person and I look forward to it.

Love from I AM ALL I AM until we meet in person.

THANK YOU.



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Right back at ya sugarplum;):D

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Love Purple

[tejas]

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Tejas.



Yes.



Yes.



You have asked questions and not waited for a response, instead making assumptions because you "Didn't think".



I claim no ownership to any plants, so when you say "your plants", you are making an assumption of ownership that is not there.



It can also be a loving enviroment.



Why do you find it necessary to attempt to attach a label to me ???

Is this because of your indoctrination into science, which attempts to label everything ???



And because they do this, does that then mean that you should also do similar acts of violence ???

Or do you think that you could make your decisions, not based on what actions anything outside of you does, but from the true essence of Who You Are ???



Morals are a blanket solution to spontaneous events, and at no point have I posted anything about someting being moralistc, or that I have morals.

George W. Bush has morals, and that is why he can justify to an American population that also has morals, why it is fine and dandy to kill others in another country for their supposed survival.



So would this also mean that you believe that any bigger animal than you is designed to eat you ???

Funny that some of the biggest animals on the planet are completely vegetarian.



So, eyes in the side of the head means herbivore.....and the great white shark would be considered a herbivore from this assumption. And the venus flytrap that you mentioned previously, having no eyes, would be considered what ??



You make declerations based on scientific assumptions.

The dog that I live with eats what I eat, that is, no meat. A supposed carnivore living as a herbivore.

http://vegpets.com/



Yes, you are a creator, I am a creator, in fact, everyone is a creator. If you choose to BE a macroparasite, then that is what you will create and experience.

I have chosen differently, and therefore, my experience is different to yours, because I create my reality and you create your reality. This means, that what you express you will experience, or, as you belive so you conceive, or, what you give out you get back, etc, etc.



Have a go at talking with them outside of the use of a mind altering substance, they will still communicate with you.



And who was it that funded these studies ???



How could something within an infinite creation be taken "too far" ???

We live within infinity, and you are attempting to seperate a small part of it and declare that it has laws merely to back up your belief system.

"As you say it for you shall it be." I can walk on water, I can raise the dead, I can walk through walls. This is my choice because I understand that what I express through thoughts, actions, words, will be what I experience.



It is merely an attachment of labels that you have been trained to do through the indoctrination process of the scientific/education system.

THANK YOU.



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Ignoring the first few comments because they are not related to the discussion at hand.

It can also be a loving enviroment.
It can also be a cruel fight for survival. You talk of inifinity and yet decide to define reality in another dualistic term. Ironic

Why do you find it necessary to attempt to attach a label to me ???

Is this because of your indoctrination into science, which attempts to label everything ???

We are all indoctrinated into something. Whether we choose to admit it or not. You are indoctrinated in whatever research you have set eyes upon and have let enter your mind. As for the hippie remark, I apologize for this. I talk to plants for peats sake.

And because they do this, does that then mean that you should also do similar acts of violence ???

Or do you think that you could make your decisions, not based on what actions anything outside of you does, but from the true essence of Who You Are ???

By not knowing the reality of both the light and dark sides in yourself, you make a foolish attempt at choosing sides in duality. Which in itself is pointless.
The true essence of who I am does not care as it is beyond both aspects of duality. It cannot be destroyed, and all things are illusionary. So all ideas of morality are meaningless. This does not mean of course we can do whatever we want.

I do feel slight remorse sometimes when eating meat, but then I realise the grand scheme of things. The food chain is part of life. The suffering is in built into the system. Animals will quite happily kill and eat each other in nature without human intervention.

You are as guilty as I am in making labels, as you say what comes naturally to say an eagle or a lion; hunting, killing, feeding - is evil? How can it be if it is only the natural order of things?

Morals are a blanket solution to spontaneous events, and at no point have I posted anything about someting being moralistc, or that I have morals.

George W. Bush has morals, and that is why he can justify to an American population that also has morals, why it is fine and dandy to kill others in another country for their supposed survival.

Agreed. I was merely pointing out how through the process of digestion itself you are 'killing' what you have digested.

So would this also mean that you believe that any bigger animal than you is designed to eat you ???

Yes. Size has nothing to do with it. We have natural predators such as the ebola virus and of course our good friends the reppies - who have been designed to 'eat' us.

Someone interviewed a reppie somewhere, source I can't remember so feel free to see it as disinfo. The reppie said that while human beings CAN live of being vegetarian (because we are omnivores) they cannot as they require the animal fat to synthesize key proteins.

Is it their fault they have to kill to live?

So, eyes in the side of the head means herbivore.....and the great white shark would be considered a herbivore from this assumption. And the venus flytrap that you mentioned previously, having no eyes, would be considered what ??


Of course I am generalising. These things only apply to those that actually use their eyes. Sharks don't, (they use their noses in a complex system) and plants dont have eyes silly. :p

You make declerations based on scientific assumptions.

[QUOTE]The dog that I live with eats what I eat, that is, no meat. A supposed carnivore living as a herbivore.

Impressive, you can teach a dog new tricks.

Yes, you are a creator, I am a creator, in fact, everyone is a creator. If you choose to BE a macroparasite, then that is what you will create and experience.

I have chosen differently, and therefore, my experience is different to yours, because I create my reality and you create your reality. This means, that what you express you will experience, or, as you belive so you conceive, or, what you give out you get back, etc, etc.


This is bollocks. You are only fooling youself in your own mind. Untill you can bend time and space, create matter out of nothing, and live forever, you bound by the laws of this system and you will die by them.

The choices you have said are merely shifts in perceptions and actions and not creation as you think. Like the madman in the asylumn who lives in his own head.

I am not saying you cannot exert slight influence over them, or that they cannot be broken but as yet, I see no evidence of it being done to an extend that changes matter/time/space.

Have a go at talking with them outside of the use of a mind altering substance, they will still communicate with you.

Im sure it can be done. But are you implying that taking this substance is a bad thing?

And who was it that funded these studies ???

The meat industry of course....
No just kidding, no dice there I'm afraid. They were funded by universities.


How could something within an infinite creation be taken "too far" ???

We live within infinity, and you are attempting to seperate a small part of it and declare that it has laws merely to back up your belief system.

"As you say it for you shall it be." I can walk on water, I can raise the dead, I can walk through walls. This is my choice because I understand that what I express through thoughts, actions, words, will be what I experience.

Ok film yourself doing these things and send them to me. Then well be getting somewhere.

It is merely an attachment of labels that you have been trained to do through the indoctrination process of the scientific/education system.

Jourena JODfhn klasdin mrktni maskd

Did that make sense to you? I was trying to communicate without 'labeling' my words.

As of yet humanity cannot communicate with thought transference. Therefore labels are necessary to explain complex concepts.

[i am all i am]

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Tejas.


Ignoring the first few comments because they are not related to the discussion at hand.

Ignoring something merely creates ignorance.

They were responses to questions that you asked. If you thought them unrelated to the discussion at hand, why did you ask the questions ???

It can also be a cruel fight for survival. You talk of inifinity and yet decide to define reality in another dualistic term. Ironic

How do you perceive a duality out of the reply "It can also be a loving enviroment." to your statement "Nature can be a cruel fight for survival." ???

All you have done here is merely repeat yourself. Repeating something does not make it true.

We are all indoctrinated into something. Whether we choose to admit it or not. You are indoctrinated in whatever research you have set eyes upon and have let enter your mind. As for the hippie remark, I apologize for this. I talk to plants for peats sake.

Admitting that your mind and body have been indoctrinated is the first step in freeing them to make your own decisions from a soul perspective. Once having freed your mind and body, nothing can again indoctrinate your mind and body without permission from your soul. Therefore, no information that you read can effect Who You Truly Are unless you have chosen for it to do so.

There is no necessity to apologise for anything. You are free to express yourself in any manner that you so choose to.

By not knowing the reality of both the light and dark sides in yourself, you make a foolish attempt at choosing sides in duality. Which in itself is pointless.
The true essence of who I am does not care as it is beyond both aspects of duality. It cannot be destroyed, and all things are illusionary. So all ideas of morality are meaningless. This does not mean of course we can do whatever we want.

Of course you can do anything, it is merely a choice that you make, expressed through thought, action, word, from mind, body, soul, for you to experience.

Notice that there is no duality. It is a trinity. Threee aspects to all things. Mind / Body / Soul - Thought / Action / Word - Future / Past / Present - There / Here / In Between - Conscious / Subconscious / Supraconscious - Left / Right / Middle, etc, etc.

I do feel slight remorse sometimes when eating meat, but then I realise the grand scheme of things. The food chain is part of life. The suffering is in built into the system. Animals will quite happily kill and eat each other in nature without human intervention.

As the Bhuddist have said, all suffering is an attachment to a previous condition.

Suffering is not built into the system, unless you are talking of the man-made system. Infinite love is all there is, everything else is an illusion.

You are as guilty as I am in making labels, as you say what comes naturally to say an eagle or a lion; hunting, killing, feeding - is evil? How can it be if it is only the natural order of things?

At no point have I declared something to be evil.



Agreed. I was merely pointing out how through the process of digestion itself you are 'killing' what you have digested.

Actually you posted this, "And according to you, if I cut a worm in half, ate that half, and left the other half (which regenerates itself) that would be nice and moral, as I havent killed the worm. Okay.", which has no references of digestion.

Yes. Size has nothing to do with it. We have natural predators such as the ebola virus and of course our good friends the reppies - who have been designed to 'eat' us.

If size has "nothing to do with it", why did you originally post otherwise with this comment, "meat and animals have been designed to be eaten by bigger animals." ???

How do you know that ebola, and even "reppies", have not been genetically engineered, which would therefore make them not "natural predators" ???

Of course I am generalising. These things only apply to those that actually use their eyes. Sharks don't, (they use their noses in a complex system) and plants dont have eyes silly. :p

Of course.

Well, instead of debating what a shark uses, would you like me to offer a few more examples that show your example of eyes in the front of the head means carnivore an eyes in the side of the head means herbivore is an assumption???

And if plants don't have eyes, what does that make the venus fly trap in your theory of eyes in the front of the head meaning it's a carnivore ???

Impressive, you can teach a dog new tricks.

Love is an amazing thing that can accomplish everything. Remember, love is all there is, everything else is illusion.

This is bollocks. You are only fooling youself in your own mind. Untill you can bend time and space, create matter out of nothing, and live forever, you bound by the laws of this system and you will die by them.

That may be your self-creation, mine is different and something that I have experienced.

The choices you have said are merely shifts in perceptions and actions and not creation as you think. Like the madman in the asylumn who lives in his own head.

I am not saying you cannot exert slight influence over them, or that they cannot be broken but as yet, I see no evidence of it being done to an extend that changes matter/time/space.

You are free to think, act and say as you choose. That will be your experience/creation. If you believe that you have no control over these things, then you will experience no control, thus confirming your belief.

Did you know that a particle has been photographed under an electron microscope in two places simultaneously ???

Matter, time and space, not following man-made laws.

Im sure it can be done. But are you implying that taking this substance is a bad thing?

Nope.

The meat industry of course....
No just kidding, no dice there I'm afraid. They were funded by universities.

Ahhh yes. Government research. Agenda driven for whose interests ???

Ok film yourself doing these things and send them to me. Then well be getting somewhere.

For what purpose ???

Do you think that I am here to convince you of something ???

I am giving you information, what you decide to believe in relationship to that information is entirely up to yourself.

Jourena JODfhn klasdin mrktni maskd

Did that make sense to you? I was trying to communicate without 'labeling' my words.

As of yet humanity cannot communicate with thought transference. Therefore labels are necessary to explain complex concepts.

And after having taken salvia you believe that ???

Have you communicated with all of "humanity" to make this assertion from a basis of knowing through experience, or is this merely a guess ???

THANK YOU.



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[auron]

"Subscribing to thread" :D

[tejas]

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Tejas.




Ignoring something merely creates ignorance.

They were responses to questions that you asked. If you thought them unrelated to the discussion at hand, why did you ask the questions ???



How do you perceive a duality out of the reply "It can also be a loving enviroment." to your statement "Nature can be a cruel fight for survival." ???

All you have done here is merely repeat yourself. Repeating something does not make it true.



Admitting that your mind and body have been indoctrinated is the first step in freeing them to make your own decisions from a soul perspective. Once having freed your mind and body, nothing can again indoctrinate your mind and body without permission from your soul. Therefore, no information that you read can effect Who You Truly Are unless you have chosen for it to do so.

There is no necessity to apologise for anything. You are free to express yourself in any manner that you so choose to.



Of course you can do anything, it is merely a choice that you make, expressed through thought, action, word, from mind, body, soul, for you to experience.

Notice that there is no duality. It is a trinity. Threee aspects to all things. Mind / Body / Soul - Thought / Action / Word - Future / Past / Present - There / Here / In Between - Conscious / Subconscious / Supraconscious - Left / Right / Middle, etc, etc.



As the Bhuddist have said, all suffering is an attachment to a previous condition.

Suffering is not built into the system, unless you are talking of the man-made system. Infinite love is all there is, everything else is an illusion.



At no point have I declared something to be evil.





Actually you posted this, "And according to you, if I cut a worm in half, ate that half, and left the other half (which regenerates itself) that would be nice and moral, as I havent killed the worm. Okay.", which has no references of digestion.



If size has "nothing to do with it", why did you originally post otherwise with this comment, "meat and animals have been designed to be eaten by bigger animals." ???

How do you know that ebola, and even "reppies", have not been genetically engineered, which would therefore make them not "natural predators" ???



Of course.

Well, instead of debating what a shark uses, would you like me to offer a few more examples that show your example of eyes in the front of the head means carnivore an eyes in the side of the head means herbivore is an assumption???

And if plants don't have eyes, what does that make the venus fly trap in your theory of eyes in the front of the head meaning it's a carnivore ???



Love is an amazing thing that can accomplish everything. Remember, love is all there is, everything else is illusion.



That may be your self-creation, mine is different and something that I have experienced.



You are free to think, act and say as you choose. That will be your experience/creation. If you believe that you have no control over these things, then you will experience no control, thus confirming your belief.

Did you know that a particle has been photographed under an electron microscope in two places simultaneously ???

Matter, time and space, not following man-made laws.



Nope.



Ahhh yes. Government research. Agenda driven for whose interests ???



For what purpose ???

Do you think that I am here to convince you of something ???

I am giving you information, what you decide to believe in relationship to that information is entirely up to yourself.



And after having taken salvia you believe that ???

Have you communicated with all of "humanity" to make this assertion from a basis of knowing through experience, or is this merely a guess ???

THANK YOU.



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How do you perceive a duality out of the reply "It can also be a loving enviroment." to your statement "Nature can be a cruel fight for survival." ???

All you have done here is merely repeat yourself. Repeating something does not make it true.

Ignoring something does not make it false either. I accept that nature can be a loving environment, but you must also accept that nature can be a cruel fight for survival.

And whether you like it or not, this reality is all about survival. Thusly by selecting the supposed 'love' you have made a choice in duality.

The 'love' that we experience is a human emotion. A chemical reaction in our brains. It is as real or as unreal as its opposites.

Infinite love is the only truth. No Infinite Infinite is the only truth.

Admitting that your mind and body have been indoctrinated is the first step in freeing them to make your own decisions from a soul perspective. Once having freed your mind and body, nothing can again indoctrinate your mind and body without permission from your soul. Therefore, no information that you read can effect Who You Truly Are unless you have chosen for it to do so.

How do you know that your mind is ever truly free? How do you know that Icke isn't a CIA plug spreading disinfo?

You don't ever know. The exception of this is experiencing oneness, and even then, how do you know it is real?

Icke uses the term 'repeaters' to describe the indoctrinated repeating the doctrine to the unindoctrinated in order to spread indoctrination. ( bet you cant say that five times at speed ;) )

But aren't we all just repeating what other people have said? Aren't you repeating what the buddhists have said? What the physicists have said? What the spiritualists have said? What the New-Agers have said? How do you know that this is not just another form of indoctrination? Albeit a more subtler form?

As you said:
Repeating something does not make it true

Thusly whether we like to admit it or not, everything to a certain extent is indoctrination.

Of course you can do anything, it is merely a choice that you make, expressed through thought, action, word, from mind, body, soul, for you to experience.

Agreed

As the Bhuddist have said, all suffering is an attachment to a previous condition.

Suffering is not built into the system, unless you are talking of the man-made system. Infinite love is all there is, everything else is an illusion.

Apart from you repeating what the buddhists have said. Suffering is built into the system. Also your quote is incomplete as you have missed the first noble truth Life means suffering.

All life dies, thus suffers. All life gets sick, thus suffers. All life gets old, thus suffers.

Suffering is inherently built into the system.

You are right I do not know whether or not:
How do you know that ebola, and even "reppies", have not been genetically engineered, which would therefore make them not "natural predators" ???

But it would require a great intelligence to create a "reppie". In my mind it is unlikely that man engineered reppies. The matrix creator did.

You must forgive me for repeating a gnostic world view.

At no point have I declared something to be evil.

No but you implied that it was wrong to eat meat. Wrong and evil come from the same place.

Actually you posted this, "And according to you, if I cut a worm in half, ate that half, and left the other half (which regenerates itself) that would be nice and moral, as I havent killed the worm. Okay.", which has no references of digestion.

Ok then. Let me repeat that:
"And according to you, if I cut a worm in half, ate that half,DIGESTING half of it and thus KILLING half of it and left the other half which is undigested (which regenerates itself) that would be nice and moral, as I havent killed the entireworm.

If size has "nothing to do with it", why did you originally post otherwise with this comment, "meat and animals have been designed to be eaten by bigger animals." ???

Generally speaking, the bigger animals do eat the smaller ones. This is just a matter of terms. In reality the smallest of parasites can bring down an elephant.

Well, instead of debating what a shark uses, would you like me to offer a few more examples that show your example of eyes in the front of the head means carnivore an eyes in the side of the head means herbivore is an assumption???

And if plants don't have eyes, what does that make the venus fly trap in your theory of eyes in the front of the head meaning it's a carnivore ???

Again I am speaking in general terms relating to members of the animal kingdom. Not the plant kingdom.

There are three "life organism" Kingdoms. Plant, Fungi, Animal.

Love is an amazing thing that can accomplish everything. Remember, love is all there is, everything else is illusion.

Infinity is all there is, everything else is an illusion. Love included.

Did you know that a particle has been photographed under an electron microscope in two places simultaneously ???

Matter, time and space, not following man-made laws.


Yes. And there is no such thing as man-made laws, only universal laws. But they are still laws.

Ahhh yes. Government research. Agenda driven for whose interests ???

For the people. Not everyone in government is part of the conspiracy. Wasn't Icke once involved in parliament?

For what purpose ???

Do you think that I am here to convince you of something ???

I am giving you information, what you decide to believe in relationship to that information is entirely up to yourself.

Of course you are here to convince me of something. You are saying that we create our own reality. While I agree with you to an extent, the other extent remains to be seen unless we have some evidence.

I am telling you that this is just a trick of your own mind, a delusion of perception and not a real eventuality.

If you show me videos or some sort of evidence of you actually doing what you claim
I will gladly eat my hat and subscribe to your indoctrination :)

And after having taken salvia you believe that ???

Have you communicated with all of "humanity" to make this assertion from a basis of knowing through experience, or is this merely a guess ???

Most people cannot.

[mr_moon]

Oh dear :(

Here's my penny's worth:

"EVERYTHING exists in whatever capacity we want. It's a choice. If you feel you don't have a choice... then that's a choice too.

Choice = Infinity

So no matter how long people argue or discuss about what is 'true' or what is 'untrue' the ultimate test is to acknowledge that you are making a choice and a choice ALONE in whatever it is you are doing.

Whenever we speak, act, love, hate, kiss, make, build, destroy... we are making a choice. It seems so OBVIOUS doesn't it? It could even sound patronising to hear but it is one of the most overlooked things in the whole of this Universe.

I've been coming to understand this more and more with all the different views i've read, heard, seen. All the different ideas, theories, beliefs, research... when they ALL join together they all lead to the same thing:

CHOICE

I believe in everything and nothing, i know ALL and i know NONE because in the end none of it matters. Right or Wrong is irrelevant and i feel it is my choice to say this.

I may be bringing myself an argument writing this, it may bring agreement too but don't you find that highlights my point?

ALLOW peoples choices into your being and it becomes a whole new experience.

Make crazy far out unexpected choices, random almost impossible ones and see how reality expands... it just GLIMMERS with excitement!!!

Once we acknowledge our choices, even to the point of how we REACT to content (death, attack, threats, offers) life can take on a whole new meaning...

...Life is EASY and JOYFUL, EXCITING and FUN, SCARY and ADRENALIN INDUCING... if you acknowledge choice and how powerful it is.

That's my contribution to this discussion!!

MUCH LOVE TO YOU!!
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[auron]

That's my contribution to this discussion!!

Here's mine:

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[megafish33]

mmmmmmmmmmm.... bbbeeeeeefffff (http://www.dakotabeefcompany.com/health_vitality.php)

:p

[thetonic]

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Thetonic.



Or maybe your "speedily typed response" is not well thought out and merely a knee jerk reaction by a mental thought pattern that is unwilling to let go of an indoctrinated belief system.



As you express something, you will experience that expression. By expressing "im fraid", you will experience that.



When paired opposites define your beliefs your beliefs will imprison you.

You are merely imprisoning yourself into a duality system (right an wrong, black and white, etc) by attempting to make something wrong so that you can be right, which is an attempt at being superior to that which you are attempting to make wrong.



At no point did I declare that you are wrong.....you can re-read the posts that I made to confirm this.



What you do not appear to understand is that the energy source that animated the physicality leaves the physicality when you "kill" that physicality.

Do you believe that you can eat a persons soul when you consume their flesh ???

When you eat an apple, the tree that provided the apple is not "dead", or has not been "killed", therefore, the inherent energy that created the physicality of the apple is still living, and so the apple is a living source of energy.

This is not so when you consume meat.

THANK YOU.



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Dude you are missing the one and only point i have for this ; when you pick a piece of fruit does it continue to grow? No it begins to decay... Sorry to break the bad news for you .. but once you pick a fruit it is essentially dead, yet there is still energy in it, just like an animal...

CHeers!

[thetonic]

No Iamaia - I dont believe in eating of "souls".. If the tree that created the apple is not dead then the apple isnt either once picked? Oh man, you are really struggling here. And with your logic then if an animal was to be killed just because the mother or creator of that animal is still alive then the enitity would continue to produce energy? Cmon dude ... Im not on your page here at all... You are being dogmatic saying that animals dont have energy once they are dead when if you REALLY did a physical study.. You would find different .. So please stop talking like you are an all knowing

[supertzar]

I draw a distinction between self-aware and instinctual beings. I would never eat a dolphin, but have no problem with eating cattle. A bull does not even know it is alive. It has experience, but it cannot reflect on the experience. It is not capable of higher thought. I will raise it with compassion, thank it for giving its' life for me, slaughter it with the least suffering possible and use its' meat to feed my body.

[razed1]

i have given up eating all animal products

but its hard cause my mom still uses like butter and cheese and yogurt etc


the illuminati have really done a number on us by skewing our thoughts on food and what is necessary


the thing i say to ppl who like to eat meat, such as beef, chicken, pork is , unless your gonna go kill the animal yourself, and eat the flesh RAW, then go ahead and bon appetit! but if your put the meat through fire and cook it, all your eating is a dressed up carcass which really has no nutritional value

all the carnivores on earth, eat the meat raw and fresh, right there, dogs wont even eat a cooked piece of meat, (unless theyre REALLY hungry)

but i dont think eating meat is natural to our existence

our mode of living should not include the death of countless numbers of animals

we have been tricked to choose a culture of death rahter than life, thats the bottom line

[megafish33]

i have given up eating all animal products

but its hard cause my mom still uses like butter and cheese and yogurt etc



Don't worry about it too much... use plant oils(avocado, olive, coconut, sesame, corn, etc. there are a lot of varieties) and try to make nut cheeses.

I choose to eat animal products but I try to experiment with a lot of different raw and vegan foods as I possibly can.

[i am all i am]

Of course you are here to convince me of something.

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Tejas.

This is merely an attempt at telling me why I am here, a self-projection by you, and shows how pointless it is discussing something with you. Enjoy the experience that you are creating for yourself.

THANK YOU.



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[tejas]

I draw a distinction between self-aware and instinctual beings. I would never eat a dolphin, but have no problem with eating cattle. A bull does not even know it is alive. It has experience, but it cannot reflect on the experience. It is not capable of higher thought. I will raise it with compassion, thank it for giving its' life for me, slaughter it with the least suffering possible and use its' meat to feed my body.

I agree

[tejas]

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Tejas.

This is merely an attempt at telling me why I am here, a self-projection by you, and shows how pointless it is discussing something with you. Enjoy the experience that you are creating for yourself.

THANK YOU.



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Thats a cop out mate!

We are all here to discuss the truth, to share and exchange Ideas.

We are here also to discern what is true and what is false, as we are human we have no way of knowing what is entirely true - our information is riddled with lies and vagaries of perception.

Just because we have a difference of opinion does not mean we cannot share or collaborate.

[mr_moon]

Thats a cop out mate!

We are all here to discuss the truth, to share and exchange Ideas.

We are here also to discern what is true and what is false, as we are human we have no way of knowing what is entirely true - our information is riddled with lies and vagaries of perception.

Just because we have a difference of opinion does not mean we cannot share or collaborate.

We all know the truth deep down... it's just a case of remembering! This is why we have to go through these processes of 'debate' and 'discussion' and 'opinion'. They're only concepts really... even those things aren't necessarily true...

I find it lovely how one can have an opinion about an opinion and debate about a discussion about people's opinions... :D:D:D

Lots of Love
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[ssyx]

Dude you are missing the one and only point i have for this ; when you pick a piece of fruit does it continue to grow? No it begins to decay... Sorry to break the bad news for you .. but once you pick a fruit it is essentially dead, yet there is still energy in it, just like an animal...

CHeers!

Would the seeds left behind from the rotting apple have the potential to grow into an apple producing tree?

[thetonic]

Would the sperm inside of a dead deers balls still have potential to produce offspring?.. Depends on how long animals been dead... Also think of how much life is created by feeding of the dead and decaying carcass of an animal.. All kinds of lif - flies, microbes, bacteria etc. etc..

Some things eat meat, Some things eat vegg, Some do both

Neither is right or wrong, it just is

[i am all i am]

Would the seeds left behind from the rotting apple have the potential to grow into an apple producing tree?

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Ssyx.

Does fruit continue to ripen after it has been picked ???

Is fruit designed to be eaten by animals so that seeds can be spread to othere areas after they have passed through the animals body ???

THANK YOU.



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[lilly555]

Yes to both questions. I've some bananas ripening right now!!

[mr_moon]

I like fruit

[nickatnoon61]

Love to all of you ,
No intension of being rude but i have to disagree with a lot of you.
I am a vegetarian and I do not feel week at all. On the contarary ,I feel much more healthier and stronger.
I am also aware that I do not help the meat industry in moe killing.
I have chosen to be a vegetarian because I do want to spread love into the world and that includes not eating animals.
I can not feel complete if I eat my friends. And animals are Friends and also living beings of this earth .

there are lots of other reasons for my desicions too , but this is the main reason .
But I am also aware of how humans treat animals , and how they manipulate genes to make better flesh and fatter pigs etc , just to satisfy mans need of greed.. I do not want to have any part of that .
Thank you I love you

Great post mariag!!! I agree completely!!!! :) Why do you think great wise and spiritual men, fast on a regular basis? They become closer to the source,all that is!

[mariag]

Great post mariag!!! I agree completely!!!! :) Why do you think great wise and spiritual men, fast on a regular basis? They become closer to the source,all that is!
Yes they become closer to the source of nature, and they are also aware of the essence and importance of infinite love.and how bad energy gives us bad temper and so on.To live healthy and to choose not to eat animlas is for me the best choice done ever actually.I feel free and have also got the feeling of getting closer to animals.Is like they sence that i meen them no harm :)
Peace

http://confideinme.dinstudio.se/

[nickatnoon61]

Nice on i am all i am for producing the facts.

potatoes, carrots and apples can boost testosterone levels( especially if grown in Boron rich soil) , so
you don't need meat for that.

I started eating meat recently after about 10 years of being veggie. The guilt was enormous and now wish I hadn't. Most people where I live seem to be meat eating, alcohol consuming types. I'm like the ethnic minority pot smoker,coffee, water, juices.. veggie.

Chicken wasn't to bad but the rest not nice. I've had less energy and less urge to do my weight training. So returning to eating meat for about two months maybe 3 hasn't done me any good as far as I can see.

I'm just going to eat a bit of fish from now on maybe some cheese....But some of the facts and theories about dairy produce scare me.

If they reckon where closer to a monkey genetically then this would prove fruit and veg is a more natural diet.
If we walked on all fours and had fangs like cat's and dogs then Swerdlow may have a point. ES,
http://www.living-foods.com/articles/nfl.html Check out this article if you are really serious about unlimited health and vitality! :)

[nickatnoon61]

Yes they become closer to the source of nature, and they are also aware of the essence and importance of infinite love.and how bad energy gives us bad temper and so on.To live healthy and to choose not to eat animlas is for me the best choice done ever actually.I feel free and have also got the feeling of getting closer to animals.Is like they sence that i meen them no harm :)
Peace

http://confideinme.dinstudio.se/

When I looked at your site/link yesterday, about spreading love,I thought, is she a vegetarian or a hypocrite? I am pleased you walk the talk!!! :) Have some tomato soup, on the house!!!! ha ha

[nickatnoon61]

What about fish? I think eating vegetables, fruit, seeds and fish may be a sufficient balanced diet?

I recently stopped eating red meat and chicken meat and i do feel very much better for it...
mr moon...did the fish have parents?????:confused: ha ha :D

[mariag]

When I looked at your site/link yesterday, about spreading love,I thought, is she a vegetarian or a hypocrite? I am pleased you walk the talk!!! :) Have some tomato soup, on the house!!!! ha ha
actually i do love tomato soup thank you. :)
Why would you think I was a hypocrite?

[nickatnoon61]

Erm

You guys are all touting meat eating and vegetable eating as if they are mutually exclusive.

Ever heard of eating a balanced diet?
tejas, a "balanced" diet of dead animal flesh makes one mentally UNBALANCED.Read the link, if you want a revelation!!! :)
http://www.newstarget.com/015187.html

[nickatnoon61]

actually i do love tomato soup thank you. :)
Why would you think I was a hypocrite? SOMEONE WHO TALKS OF LOVE, AND SUPPORTS THE SLAUGHTER OF ANIMALS IS A HYPOCRITE.....

[mariag]

SOMEONE WHO TALKS OF LOVE, AND SUPPORTS THE SLAUGHTER OF ANIMALS IS A HYPOCRITE.....

Couldn´t agree more .

Killing is not Love. It´s the opposite.:p

[nickatnoon61]

A Vegequarium? Really, humans are omnivores.. We can eat alot of stuff..
YES, thetonic, and humans live in the vibration of fear and violence, because we continue to consume others who have the same right as we do. TO LIVE!!!

[nickatnoon61]

Couldn´t agree more .

Killing is not Love. It´s the opposite.:p

I am glad we got that straight!!! There are a million and one reasons to become vegetarian, but everyone must experience their own realities. To judge the carnivores, brings our vibrational level down.

[mariag]

YES, thetonic, and humans live in the vibration of fear and violence, because we continue to consume others who have the same right as we do. TO LIVE!!!

My Honest opinion, I do not see a difference in eating animals and killing humans.I think it is the exact same thing.What they do not know is that They both support Evil.Who decide that one being is more important then the other?Who says that we humans are the better spieces? This is something I do not understand.What gives us the right to slaughter and to take someones life only because mr greedy wants a big roast at sunday dinner?Why cant he see that we can survive on what nature gives us?
Only my thoughts and i do not want to offend anyone.

[nickatnoon61]

Couldn´t agree more .

Killing is not Love. It´s the opposite.:p
mariag, please read this link. I want your opinion of it. I have been saying this for years about meat and mental illnesses! No-one listened to me!!! LOL

http://www.newstarget.com/015187.html

[nickatnoon61]

My Honest opinion, I do not see a difference in eating animals and killing humans.. The only difference is, a lot of humans deserve it, from their greedy, violent/consumerism lifestyles!!!:eek: Live by the sword...die by the sword.

[nickatnoon61]

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Thetonic.

1. http://www.9622.net/images/lol-gorilla.jpg
Ahhhh, now this vegetarian from your supposition would be considered a meat eater......your math doesn't add up.

2. Life has no laws, man has made up laws as an excuse to perpetuate the idea that killing is necessary to live. It isn't.

You are entitled to make your own choices and express and experience yourself in relationship to those choices. However, consider this, when you kill something, the inherent life-force, energy, leaves the physicality of that which you have killed. You are then only putting something into your body that is considered dead. How is it that you then perceive that that which is dead can give life ???

We studied the western lowland gorilla diet as a possible model for human nutrient requirements with implications for colonic function. Gorillas in the Central African Republic were identified as consuming over 200 species and varieties of plants and 100 species and varieties of fruit. Thirty-one of the most commonly consumed foods were collected and dried locally before shipping for macronutrient and fiber analysis. The mean macronutrient concentrations were (mean ± SD, g/100 g dry basis) fat 0.5 ± 0.4, protein 11.8 ± 8.2, available carbohydrate 7.7 ± 6.3 and dietary fiber 74.0 ± 12.9. Assuming that the macronutrient profile of these foods was reflective of the whole gorilla diet and that dietary fiber contributed 6.28 kJ/g (1.5 kcal/g), then the gorilla diet would provide 810 kJ (194 kcal) metabolizable energy per 100 g dry weight. The macronutrient profile of this diet would be as follows: 2.5% energy as fat, 24.3% protein, 15.8% available carbohydrate, with potentially 57.3% of metabolizable energy from short-chain fatty acids (SCFA) derived from colonic fermentation of fiber. Gorillas would therefore obtain considerable energy through fiber fermentation. We suggest that humans also evolved consuming similar high foliage, high fiber diets, which were low in fat and dietary cholesterol. The macronutrient and fiber profile of the gorilla diet is one in which the colon is likely to play a major role in overall nutrition. Both the nutrient and fiber components of such a diet and the functional capacity of the hominoid colon may have important dietary implications for contemporary human health.

Full article can be read here.....
http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/127/10/2000

THANK YOU.



http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/3/3D_emoticon_S34.gif With LOVE http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/3/3D_emoticon_S36.gif Iam, they say the gorilla diet is the ultimate diet for monkeyman!(us) I have tried it and they are right!!!:)
http://www.newstarget.com/015187.html now read this link...or I'll bbq you, and eat you!!!!:eek:

[nickatnoon61]

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Good luck with that. Should I order you're coffin now?

ES, don't discount thoth's comments so fast. I have read about breatharianism and I have water-fasted for over 2 weeks at a time. I never felt better in my life, during a fast! They say our atmosphere before it was compromised, supported human life. We did not need to eat/masticate(THAT IS MASTICATE....NOT MASTERBATE!!!!:eek:

[mariag]

mariag, please read this link. I want your opinion of it. I have been saying this for years about meat and mental illnesses! No-one listened to me!!! LOL

http://www.newstarget.com/015187.html
i am reading this now and will give comment soon...:p

[nickatnoon61]

I am aware of this.

Personally I think there are higher dimensions where we won't have to kill or harm other life-forms for food.

I think that is only a part of this reality.

As for vegetarians being as bad as meat-eaters.....We could sit here and debate that all day.

At the end of the day we should listen to the obvious- our heart.

Highly enlightened masters have found ways to stop eating (virtually) altogether.


Vegetariansim is a step in the right direction.

Plants are so psychic, they are able to numb themselves off.
Animals can't do this.

Plants are another form of awareness, but animals so obviously feel pain and suffering the way we do. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".

Factory farming is abhorrant.

Hunting for pure survival is another matter.

GREAT COMMENTS, LOST!!!!! Water also has a conscienceness, and if we talk nice to it/bless it,before we drink it, it will energize/sustain our bodies!!!

[nickatnoon61]

How about this, we can feed off of the sun! We don't need food to eat or air to breathe. Its ALL DNA programming!We merely need to tap into the limitless quantum potential realities. Everything exist as a possibility, everything even existing without taking energy from anywhere. Why would you need any energy from anywhere, you are everything! All the energy you need is within you. You are the whole universe, so how can you be separate from all the energy you need? Needing anything is an illusion and seems to be an addiction if anything.
Now we are starting to learn about our true potentials! Thank you thoth. :)

[nickatnoon61]

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Yes no problem. There is a woman don't know her name can't remember. She claims to be a Breatharian ..which means she doesn't eat. She appeared on Talk Sport radio on the James Whale show years ago.

The process goes like this...vegetarian, vegan, fruitarian ( just eating fruit) and then the final step is breatharian but if i remember it involves mediation or something to achieve and sustain this state. I don't believe it.

ES, our un-conditioned/free-thinking mind is limitless!!! The problem is, most of us, limit ourselves and others with it, thru our programming/conditioning!!! :eek: Anything is possible!!!! :)

[mariag]

mariag, please read this link. I want your opinion of it. I have been saying this for years about meat and mental illnesses! No-one listened to me!!! LOL

http://www.newstarget.com/015187.html

What concernes meat and mental ilnesses in my opinion .I do think it is possibility that meat eating and bad living causes more then just this dilemma.Of course there are other things that causes these ilnesses but Meat does not give anything else but death and bad energy,cause it has NO energy.Sorry about my spelling.Eating meat produces more fatcells into the brain and also stuff like amino acids and bakteria.This is my thinkin talking so please don´t udge me or anything.It can effect the mind in a negative way.And if we then multiply with all the artificial things that we give our bodies in drinks and candy(talking about things like aspartam and coloring and more).We only cause a negative energy flow to our mind.And it causes addictivity and, it has been proven that even sugar causes this,hyperactivity.
now think about the possibility that it also causes tumours and eksema.Why woudln´t it cause mental ilness?
Of course it does.Bad thing causes bad things.Universal laws as karma and effect and konsequences.

[nickatnoon61]

What concernes meat and mental ilnesses in my opinion .I do think it is possibility that meat eating and bad living causes more then just this dilemma.Of course there are other things that causes these ilnesses but Meat does not give anything else but death and bad energy,cause it has NO energy.Sorry about my spelling.Eating meat produces more fatcells into the brain and also stuff like amino acids and bakteria.This is my thinkin talking so please don´t udge me or anything.It can effect the mind in a negative way.And if we then multiply with all the artificial things that we give our bodies in drinks and candy(talking about things like aspartam and coloring and more).We only cause a negative energy flow to our mind.And it causes addictivity and, it has been proven that even sugar causes this,hyperactivity.
now think about the possibility that it also causes tumours and eksema.Why woudln´t it cause mental ilness?
Of course it does.Bad thing causes bad things.Universal laws as karma and effect and konsequences.

Yes I agree, it is common sense! This is the essential part of the interview I want to focus on:

Cousens: Now, I wrote a book called Depression Free for Life, and my result with natural healing and off medication is 90 percent, and that's for the treatment of depression and manic depression. Manic depression, maybe 80 percent, but 90 percent for depression and that includes psychotic depression. That's the place where I have an opinion, but the rest of the time – basically, let's say, unless a person is really taking some medication that it's very, very dangerous to take them off of – I'm going to get them off most of the medication because they're naturally going to get healthy. The medication is making them unhealthy, so why keep them on that? So, let's say a 90-percent success rate with depression.

Mike: What's required on the patient's part? What level of commitment to...

Cousens: Well, they have to live it. Depression Free for Life means you have to do the five-step program. You have to build up your nutrient minerals with amino acids, specific amino acid supplements. You have to have the proper vitamins and minerals to make your brain work right. You have to have the proper lipids, again, to make your brain work right, for brain function. You have to balance your pH because your brain won't function if you're too alkaline or too acid. Then, you live the lifestyle. We put all those together, and that's live foods and fasting; fasting clears the brain. There was research done in Russia with schizophrenics, incurable schizophrenics, and they water fasted them. I don't do a lot of water fasting here, but they water fasted them for 28 days, and in Russia they don't have supplements.

Mike: You do juice fasting here, so people know.

Cousens: Yes, and what happened was that 65 percent of the incurable schizophrenics started functioning normally. The only time they relapsed was when they ate meat. That's because they have five times more 6-hydroxy-skatole, which is a toxin they could metabolize in the meat, and then it creates dysfunction in the brain.

Mike: And that's in all red meat?

Cousens: All meat. So, for example, take schizophrenia; it's very difficult to treat, and you get a 65 percent cure rate with fasting. Now, another example of that: I had a lady from Mexico in her mid-20s, who had been at a hospital for five years for depression, suicide and so forth. She came out here kind of to get a break out of the hospital. She could barely walk, she was 80 pounds overweight, and she was so toxic with everything. She was on medication, so over a period of few weeks, we started her on a fast. She was just too toxic to do anything; she couldn't do anything. After two weeks, her mind began to clear, and she ended up fasting for 85 days. In that time, she lost all her weight. She became this very beautiful young lady because she was in her 20s. She required no medications, she had happiness for the first time in her life, and she has never had a relapse.

Mike: She stayed on the live foods diet?

Cousens: Yes, the best I know; she's back in Mexico. But what's the point? The point is: The food we eat affects how we think, and how we function physically. So if you're eating junk food, you're going to get a junk-food brain. In her case, she was more sensitive to it, so these were things to put her back on track. You know, not everyone fasts for 85 days, but this is a special case, and it was very significant.

mariag, I have experienced this phenomenom, and I believe it works! I have gone 50 days on RAW juices and energized water! There is no comparison to how good I feel on an extended fast! Your spelling is good. You speak english well, too!

[bigus_dickus]

Originally Posted by thoth
How about this, we can feed off of the sun! We don't need food to eat or air to breathe. Its ALL DNA programming!We merely need to tap into the limitless quantum potential realities. Everything exist as a possibility, everything even existing without taking energy from anywhere. Why would you need any energy from anywhere, you are everything! All the energy you need is within you. You are the whole universe, so how can you be separate from all the energy you need? Needing anything is an illusion and seems to be an addiction if anything.
Now we are starting to learn about our true potentials! Thank you thoth. Now we are starting to learn about our true potentials! Thank you thoth. :)

we already consume sunlight, water, all kinds of microorganisms with the air that we breathe and in the water (the fact that you don't see these things doesn't make them less alive or less "animals"), even living cells inside our bodies, apart from whatever food we choose to eat externally.

if we stopped consuming everything around us in our environment and inside us, it would be impossible for us to live. we can even eat dirt (http://geography.about.com/cs/culturalgeography/a/geophagy.htm) if we choose.

you are what you eat? sure. actually you are everything that exists, because you consume everything that exists each moment you are alive.

[nickatnoon61]

By what you say idiot. You say you need meat??????? I would love to see all the research that proves that and quite simply, you tell me what nutrients you get in meat that you can't get with other mixtures of food. Why don't you look at my first post at the beginning of this thread and tell me one ignorant thing I said, then I'll show you all the things you said. Don't call me ignorant because I called you out. I'm a body builder who doesn't need dead animals and i can almost guarantee I'm healthier than you, but i guess we'll never know. You like meat fine but stop trying to convince people they need meat based on nothing. That my friend is ignorance. Fucking troll.David B.
Some research is ok, but the proof is in the pudding. Look at the average 50-60 year old vegetarian, and the average 50-60 year old(if he lives that long) meat-eater and you will see an incredible difference in the vitalityand youthfullness of the vegetarian!!! I am living proof!!! ;)

[nickatnoon61]

Eating meat produces more fatcells into the brain and also stuff like amino acids and bakteria. I think you mean URIC acid right????

[mariag]

I think you mean URIC acid right????
would be more likely yes... It is a lot of acids that meat produces in the brain :)

[nickatnoon61]

would be more likely yes... It is a lot of acids that meat produces in the brain :)
I read a while ago that a domestic pig, is a cross between a wild boar and a human. That is why they have the pink flesh and are the most intelligent of mammals. So eating pork would be like being a cannibal, then. Didn't cows get Mad Cow Disease from being fed dead animal remains? Just a thought! :)

[mariag]

I read a while ago that a domestic pig, is a cross between a wild boar and a human. That is why they have the pink flesh and are the most intelligent of mammals. So eating pork would be like being a cannibal, then. Didn't cows get Mad Cow Disease from being fed dead animal remains? Just a thought! :)
LOL yes I think so

[mr_moon]

LOL yes I think so

Watch 'Dawn of the Dead'... that's what eating the same meat that you're made of does to you!!!

http://www.comiccitytn.com/DAWN%20OF%20THE%20DEAD%20006_sm.jpg

[thetonic]

Your spelling is good
You speak english well, too!

Yes this is true, this is one of the reasons Hitler was such an effective speaker.

[tejas]

I think you mean URIC acid right????

Where have you got this information from?

As far as I am aware uric acid can get no where near the brain as it cannot pass the blood-brain barrier?

The brains defense against these toxins is very strong. Very few compounds can pass through into it, save glucose , ketones and some small proteins

[nickatnoon61]

Where have you got this information from?

As far as I am aware uric acid can get no where near the brain as it cannot pass the blood-brain barrier?

The brains defense against these toxins is very strong. Very few compounds can pass through into it, save glucose , ketones and some small proteins

Uric acid, which eating meat creates, does not pass the blood-brain barrier, but is stored in the joints, and creates what the doctors call arthtitis.

[tejas]

Uric acid, which eating meat creates, does not pass the blood-brain barrier, but is stored in the joints, and creates what the doctors call arthtitis.

Arthritis has many causes depending on what type of arthritis it is.

[carlg1212]

It was Albert Einstein who said:

"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances of survival for life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet."

Stewart's Reply: Your DNA is made of animal protein bases. It needs like material in order to repair itself. Without consuming like material, deterioration will occur. Vegetarian diets are a great cleanser temporarily--then one must go back to eating meat.

If we remain vegetarian, we start to weaken the body and mind. This allows for programming to take hold.

We are omnivores, not herbivores.

http://www.expansions.com/QA_Comments.cfm

Yes, we're omnivores, but too much meat isn't good. The best meat is lean red meat from game like deer and rabbit, not fat assed cows for crying out loud. Chickens and pigs wallow in their own poo. Yikes.

Albert Einstein knew the benefits of solid poop. Hooray, vegetarianism!

[cheeb]

Arthritis has many causes depending on what type of arthritis it is.

true,
-Itis-inflamation,
often caused by infection(bacterial)
but also caused by wear and tear
;)

[i am all i am]

Iam, they say the gorilla diet is the ultimate diet for monkeyman!(us) I have tried it and they are right!!!:)
http://www.newstarget.com/015187.html now read this link...or I'll bbq you, and eat you!!!!:eek:

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Nickatnoon.

Yes, the strength and vitality of the gorilla is beyond question, and they live a vegatarian lifestyle. Obviously they are a lot smarter when it comes to what they put in their bodies than the majority of humans, which is probably due to the fact that they live with nature and don't attempt to control nature. They also don't think themselves to be superior to all other lifeforms on the planet, as can be observed by the way that they live, unlike humanity, which has this crazy idea that they are superior (read seperate) to nature and the lifeforms that live in nature.

Thanks for the link to that article, I have read a fair bit from that site, which I've actually got listed with all of the vegetarian/vegan links that I posted. It's a grat site.

THANK YOU.



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[auron]

Cheers for that link Nick!

There is a good presentation on there:

http://www.newstarget.com/phototour_mystery_meat_1.html

:eek:

[nickatnoon61]

Watch 'Dawn of the Dead'... that's what eating the same meat that you're made of does to you!!!

http://www.comiccitytn.com/DAWN%20OF%20THE%20DEAD%20006_sm.jpg

YES MR MOON, but how did they all wind up on the David Icke Forum?????:D

[nickatnoon61]

Cheers for that link Nick!

There is a good presentation on there:

http://www.newstarget.com/phototour_mystery_meat_1.html

:eek:

Thanx for reading it!!! You should have put a WARNING this may make you vomit!!! on your link. pun intended... :DAnother huge reason to become vegetarian!!!

[nickatnoon61]

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Nickatnoon.

Yes, the strength and vitality of the gorilla is beyond question, and they live a vegatarian lifestyle. Obviously they are a lot smarter when it comes to what they put in their bodies than the majority of humans, which is probably due to the fact that they live with nature and don't attempt to control nature. They also don't think themselves to be superior to all other lifeforms on the planet, as can be observed by the way that they live, unlike humanity, which has this crazy idea that they are superior (read seperate) to nature and the lifeforms that live in nature.

Thanks for the link to that article, I have read a fair bit from that site, which I've actually got listed with all of the vegetarian/vegan links that I posted. It's a grat site.

THANK YOU.



http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/3/3D_emoticon_S34.gif With LOVE http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/3/3D_emoticon_S36.gif IAAIA, :) you are welcome!!! It is a pleasure to know there is some intelligent life out there, besides myself, and a few others on this forum! You know we have to stay the course, as the majority(see mind-controlled zombies) will rebel against what is really good for them(like a spoiled brat child) and try to persuade the rest of the cattle that their abhorent behavior(their support of slaughtering millions of animals every year) is acceptable! Now put yer barf-bag on, and look at auron's link about misery...erm...mystery meat!!! :D

[synergy777]

i got this in a myspace message/bulletin.

The Bible, Jesus, and Veganism

NOTE: When I mention God, I am also referring to Jesus

THE GARDEN OF VEGAN

Adam and Eve, the first vegetarians on this planet, resided in the Garden of Eden, the world’s first vegan paradise. They were living testaments to Genesis 1:29, God’s first dietary law: "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food."

Isaiah 11:7, God’s last dietary law, states, "The wolf will live with the lamb, the cow will feed with the bear, the lion will eat straw like the ox, and a little child will lead them. And neither will harm nor destroy on My Holy Mountain." The beginning and the end are vegan because veganism is the only way to live without bloodshed and cruelty.

Many other scriptures profess God’s love for animals. "God tests them [humans] so that they may see they are like the animals. Man’s fate is like that of the animals. The same fate awaits them both. As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath. Man has no advantage over the animal. Everything is meaningless. All go to the same place. All come from dust and to dust all return. Who knows if the spirit of man rises upward and the spirit of the animal goes down into the earth." Ecclesiastes 3:19-21

"In that day I will make a covenant for them. With the beasts of the field and the birds of the air, and the creatures that move along the ground. Bow and sword and battle I will abolish from the land so that all may lay down in safety. I will betroth you to me forever. I will betroth you in righteousness and justice, in love and compassion." Hosea 2:18-19

"A righteous man cares for the needs of the animals, but the kindest acts of the wicked are cruel." Proverbs 12:10

DOMINION, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, AND THE LOST GOSPEL

The dominion directive and THOU SHALT NOT KILL commandment hold the dubious distinction of being the most important, yet most misunderstood mandates. Contrary to religious dogma, not killing animals, extending mercy and being compassionate honor the THOU SHALT NOT KILL commandment. When meat-eaters support, disobey or ignore this all-encompassing commandment, they are guilty of committing the ultimate sin.

Displaying the utmost arrogance, meat-eaters also assume dominion gives them the right to enslave and torture animals with impunity. Dominion’s true calling, however, is for humans to protect and care for God’s most innocent creatures. The dominion humans have over animals is the same dominion parents have over their children.

The Gospel of the Nazirenes states, "It has been written, ’Thou shalt not kill’, but I say to you, if any hate and desire to slay, they have broken the Law. If they cause hurt or torment to any creature, they are guilty. But if they kill to put an end to suffering which cannot be healed, they are not guilty, if they do it quickly and with much mercy." 47:3

Church Fathers Papias, Hegesippus, Iranaeas, Clement, Origen, Basil, Epiphanius, Eusebius and St. Jerome wrote about The Gospel of the Nazirenes, which verifies its ancient existence. Penned sometime in the first century, it is now unjustly part of the Apocrypha, scriptures viewed as inauthentic by the Church.

The Gospel of the Nazirenes is only labeled as apocryphal because it forbids the killing of animals for sacrifice or sustenance. Shamefully, most Christians are more concerned about murdering innocent creatures, meaningless customs and the death of Jesus, instead of giving compassion to those who need it the most. Jesus always tried to reduce or eliminate the pain and suffering of others.

Today’s bible is the Roman - not Judeo-Christian - version of biblical events. From the years 325-403, Emperor Constantine’s Council of Nicea re-wrote and re-edited most of the compassionate teachings of Jesus and other prophets to promote an agenda of hatred, from heterosexism and misogyny to slavery and speciesism.

MERCY OR CRUELTY

If cruelty is evil, and God is all-compassionate and all-merciful, then why do people believe God is an animal-killing, bloodthirsty, murderous devil? If slicing animals into pieces is permissible by God, then what horrible things could the Devil possibly do to animals? In other words, if you believe God condones the killing of animals, then the God you glorify is no better than the Devil you condemn.

Cruelty to animals is sacrilegious and desecrates the Good Lord’s name. In The Gospel of the Nazirenes, Jesus agrees, "This commandment have I given you, that you love one another and all the creatures of the earth. Love is the fulfilling of the Law. Love is of the Lord, and the Lord is love. Whoso loves not, knows not the Lord. ... you are my disciples if you show mercy and love to all creatures, especially those that are weak and oppressed and suffer wrong. For the whole earth is filled with dark places of cruelty, with pain and sorrow, by the selfishness and ignorance of man." 76:5-6

THE GOSPEL OF JESUS

Jesus belonged to the vegan sect of the Essenes known as the Nazirenes. With the compassionate ways of both branches documented by dozens of historians and theologians, it’s impossible to believe that Jesus consumed a violent diet of dismembered limbs and cut-up corpses. In THE PACIFISM, COMMUNALISM AND VEGETARIANISM OF PRIMITIVE CHRISTIANITY, researcher Charles Vaclavic also establishes an undeniable link between the Nazirenes, the Essenes and the Pythagoreans. [Until the 19th century, vegans and vegetarians were called Pythagoreans.] This religious lineage negates any claim of a flesh-eating Jesus because all three groups refused to violate the THOU SHALT NOT KILL commandment by including animals in their circles of compassion. In The Gospel of the Nazirenes, Jesus states, "Wherefore those who want to be my disciples, keep your hands from bloodshed and let no flesh meat enter your mouths for the Lord is just and bountiful who ordains that man shall live by the fruits and the seeds of the earth alone" 38:1-6

In the book FAMOUS VEGETARIANS AND THEIR FAVORITE RECIPES, historian Rynn Berry documents the veganism of Jesus, while theologians Dr. Hugh Schonfield and University of Paris Professor Ernest Renan verify His compassionate ways in THE PASSOVER PLOT and LIFE OF JESUS, respectively. Schonfield writes, "The old Nazirenes, like the Samaritans, were opposed to the Judean traditions, holding that the southerners had falsified the Law of Moses. They were vegetarians, and rejected animal sacrifices, but practiced circumcision and observed the Jewish Sabbath and festivals."

Indirect references of a vegan Jesus appear in Dr. Thomas Walker’s WHAT JESUS READ, Professor Robert Eisler’s THE MESSIAH JESUS and Eusebius’ ECCLESIASTICAL HISTORY. Eusebius affirms that James, the brother of Jesus, was vegan from birth and directed the early spiritual community in Jerusalem after the Crucifixion. "Control of the Church passed to the apostles, together with the Lord’s brother James, whom everyone from the Lord’s time until our own has called the Righteous, for there were many Jameses, but this one was holy from his birth; he drank no wine or intoxicating liquor and ate no animal food; no razor came near his head; he did not smear himself with oil, and took no [public] baths. He alone was permitted to enter the Holy Place, for his garments were not of wool, but of linen. He used to enter the Sanctuary alone ... because of his unsurpassable righteousness he was called the Righteous ... Bulwark of the People."

Since James harmed no animal in his daily sustenance, isn’t it logical to assume that Mary raised Jesus and James on the same diet, not one as a meat-eater and the other as a vegan? The Gospel of the Nazirenes also proclaims that John the Baptist "... shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall neither eat flesh meats, nor drink strong drink ..." Doesn’t logic tell us, again, that Jesus would have followed the same "great" diet of his close friend John?

THE BODY IS A TEMPLE

If fruits and vegetables do not cause disease, and animal products are responsible for all of our main diseases, why do people believe the Lord ordained pestilent food? Are we supposed to believe the Lord said, "I give you cows and pigs and chickens. Hang them upside down, cut their throats, dismember their bodies, cook their muscles and consume their flesh. Even if it clogs your arteries or gives you cancer or diabetes, be fruitful and multiply." As you can see, rationalizing the consumption of animal products is preposterous. God admonishes us to treat the body like a temple by ingesting healthy, cruelty-free foods. Read the HUMAN HERBIVORES section of ALL ABOUT VEGANISM to discover how the human body is 100 percent herbivorous.

JESUS AND FISH

In Matthew 4:19 and Mark 1:17 Jesus says to Peter and Andrew, "Come and follow me. And I will make you fishers of men." These verses, along with The Council of Nicea’s account of Jesus feeding fish to the multitudes, lead people to believe that Jesus was a fish-eating fisherman.

Jesus, however, never engaged in occupations that were harmful to animals. He was a rabbi, a teacher, an orator, a healer, a miracle worker and a savior. And He gave His life for all of creation!

As for feeding the multitudes, The Gospel of the Nazirenes states, "And it came to pass as Jesus had been teaching the multitudes, and they were hungry and faint from the heat of the day, then there passed ... a woman on a camel laden with melons and other fruits. And He took five melons and divided them among the people, and they ate, and their thirst was quenched ... none of them went home hungry or thirsty; and many that had fevers were healed." 48:1-4

The MIRACLE is the point of the story. Whether fruit or fish, Jesus multiplied tiny rations to feed thousands. If He used fish, He certainly didn’t grab a net and a hook and dash feverishly to the Euphrates to kill them. He made them appear, thus bypassing the suffering and death fishermen are responsible for. Talk about cruelty-free eating!

ANIMAL SACRIFICE

Animal sacrifices displayed a primitive understanding of God’s mandates, and were as insane as the human sacrifices that preceded them. Humility and sincere contrition were the only penances for sin. Killing an innocent animal only increased the original sin. It never exonerated one from it. In the Gospel of the Nazirenes, Jesus agrees: "No blood offering of beast or bird, or man, can take away sin, for how can the conscience be purged from sin by the shedding of innocent blood? No, it will increase the condemnation. Is it not written in the Prophets, ’Put away your blood sacrifices and your burnt offerings, and cease from the eating of flesh, for I spoke not to your fathers nor commanded them when I brought them out of Egypt concerning these things.’ And what does the eternal command you, but to be just, love, have mercy and walk humbly with the Law." 33:2-8

Isaiah 66:3 states, "Whoever sacrifices a bull is like one who kills a man, and whoever offers a lamb, like one who breaks a dog’s neck." Hebrews 10:4 confirms Isaiah’s Old Testament wisdom: "It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins." Micah, Jeremiah, Amos, Daniel, Zechariah and other prophets also condemned sacrifices. In fact, the first recorded animal liberation happened when Jesus freed the animals from the altar when He dispersed the money-changers from the Temple!

BIBLICAL MISREPRESENTATION

Many people use the bible to justify hatred, discrimination, domination and murder. 1 Timothy 2:11-13 tells women to obey men, "A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve." While other scriptures condemn homosexuals, Leviticus 25:44-45 even excuses racism, "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property." For centuries, white Christians used the bible to justify slavery in America, apartheid in South Africa and pogroms of witches, Native Americans and other non-Christians. Even Hitler, a staunch Christian, used the bible in a genocidal attempt to fulfill his mendacious prophesy of an all-white race. With such documented Christian-borne atrocities, today’s Christians should not be shocked when animal rights people explain how the bible is being used by meat-eaters to perpetuate the murder of billions of animals every year!

JESUS WARNS OF EVILDOERS

Most religious leaders misguide people with cruel interpretations of Christianity and Judaism. Clergy who fail to condemn the mass murder of animals in slaughterhouses, the most evil and wicked places on this planet, are spiritual hypocrites because they promote iniquity. In The Gospel of the Nazirenes, Jesus agrees: "Verily I say unto you, for this end I have come into the world; that I may put away all blood offerings and the eating of the flesh of the beasts and the birds that are slain by men. In the beginning the Creator gave to all the fruits of the trees and the seeds of the earth and the herbs for food. But those who loved themselves more than the Lord or their fellows, corrupted their ways and brought diseases into their bodies and filled the earth with lust and violence." 75:6-14

Jesus also says, "Speak the truth, be just and merciful to one another and to all creatures, and walk humbly with your Creator." 7:9-10

Most importantly, Jesus warns, "The enemies of truth and righteousness shall rule in my name and set up a kingdom of this world, oppress the peoples ... teaching in my name that which I have not taught and darkening much that I have taught BY THEIR TRADITIONS." 95:3

CAIN AND ABEL

Fred "Felice" Rizzo, Ph.D., contends that Cain killed Abel because Abel was a cattle-ranching animal-killer. When Abel violated the THOU SHALT NOT KILL commandment, Cain responded with the first justifiable homicide. Cain knew that using force to stop abuse or murder was a permissible act of vicarious self-defense.

Rizzo further explains the etymology of Abel’s name. It translates to anti-God. "Ab" is the prefix that negates, while "El" is an archaic word for God. The ancient storytellers passed down the Cain and Abel narrative and forever let it be known which brother was evil by labeling Abel as anti-God. According to Rizzo’s etymological research, all words derived from Abel pertain to something evil, while words from Cain are happy or peaceful. For instance, the Jewish Holiday Chanukah is derived from Cain’s name.

THE BEDROCK OF CHRISTIANITY

Today’s bible is ambiguous about Jesus’ diet because selling a vegan messiah to a carnivorous Roman society was no easy task. Convincing the meat-eating masses to accept Jesus’ messianic status meant pushing aside His vegan lifestyle and labeling many of His peaceful teachings as unnecessary eccentricities.

Organized religion focuses too much on barbaric traditions and inane rituals, instead of peaceful living and compassionate duty. It sickens me that the most important aspect of religion is gathering together on the weekend watching someone in a suit - or a black, red, white or green robe with a green, white, red or black hat - performing hand-jive rituals of imaginary cross-signs and prayer-gestures. Imagine if churches and synagogues only demanded its followers to be good people rather than mean automatons!

As a Messianic Jew, I do not reject the bedrock of Christianity and Judaism! I only reject stupid religious customs and attempts to justify malicious acts of cruelty in the name of God. If people looked into the eyes of an animal, they would SEE God in those wondrous creations. Job 7:8 states, "But ask the animals, and they will teach you, or the birds of the air, and they will tell you; or speak to the earth, and it will teach you, or let the fish of the sea inform you." God is in no book. God is in no building. God is no priest or rabbi on a pulpit condemning animals to death. God is in the heart. God is compassion. I don’t believe in ink and paper, or people. I believe in compassion, and I believe in God.

SIMPLIFYING THE BIBLE’S MESSAGE

If the bible contains contradictory scriptures about permissible food, why ignore the peaceful vegan ones and accept the violent meat-eating ones? Peace should always trump violence. If I had the power to edit the bible, thus clarifying its message, I would use a four word commandment and a two word suggestion: THOU SHALT NOT KILL and BE NICE!

MANY SCRIPTURES FROM THE GOSPEL OF THE NAZIRENES:

"Do violence to no living thing, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with sufficient wages. Keep yourselves from blood and things strangled and from dead bodies of birds and beasts, and from all deeds of cruelty, and from all that is gotten of wrong. Do you think that the blood of beasts and birds will wash away sin? I tell you, no! Speak the truth, be merciful to one another and to all creatures and walk humbly with your creator." 7:9-10

"Thus it came to pass that he (Jesus) was born in the midst of the animals which, (through the redemption of man from ignorance and selfishness), he came to redeem from their sufferings by the manifestation of the Sons and Daughters of the Most High." 4:5

"And Jesus was going with some of his disciples when he met with a certain man who trained dogs to hunt other creatures. And he said to the man, ’Why do you do this?’ And the man said, ’By this I live and what profit is there to any in these creatures?’ These creatures are weak, but the dogs they are strong. And Jesus said, ’You lack wisdom and love. Every creature which has been made has its end, and purpose, and who can say what good there is in it? Or what profit to yourself, or mankind.’

And for your living, behold the fields yielding their increase, and the fruit-bearing trees and the herbs. What more do you need than these which the honest work of your hands will not give to you?

A grain of wheat will produce ten thousand heads, and every head will have ten thousand grains, and every grain will produce ten pounds of fine clean flour, and other seeds, fruits and grass will produce in corresponding proportion, and all the animals will use those foods that are products of the soil and become in turn peaceable and in harmony with one another, and with man. Woe to the crafty who hurt or abuse the creatures of the earth. Woe to the hunters for they shall be hunted. And the man marveled and stopped training the dogs to hunt, and taught them to save life rather than destroy it. And he learned of the doctrines The Way and became his disciple." 14:6-9

"And it came to pass that Jesus ... found men with a beast of burden. But the horse had fallen down, for it was over-laden, and he (the man) struck it until blood flowed. And Jesus went to him and said, ’Son of cruelty! Why do you strike this defenseless animal?’ Do you not see that it is too weak for its burden and that it is suffering greatly?’ And then Jesus said again, ’Do you not see how it bleeds, can you not hear also how it wails and laments?’

And Jesus was sorrowful and said, ’Woe to you because of the dullness of your hearts, you hear not how it laments and cries to the Lord Creator for mercy. And Jesus went forward and touched it and the horse stood up, and its wounds were healed. Jesus said unto his disciples, ’Because of the sick, I am sick; because of the hungry, I am hungry; because of the thirsty I am athirst.’

Jesus also said, ’I have come to do away with the sacrifices and feasts of blood, and if you cease not sacrificing and eating of flesh and blood, the wrath of the Lord shall not cease from you; even as it came to your fathers in the wilderness, who lusted for flesh, and they ate to their content, and were filled with rottenness and the plagues that consumed them." 21:2-8 (FYI, this part appears VERBATIM in the Panarion from Epiphanius’ writings as he discusses The Gospel of the Ebionites.)

"It came to pass one day as Jesus had finished his discourse, in a place near Tiberias where there were seven wells, a certain young man brought live rabbits and pigeons, that he might have them to eat with his disciples. And Jesus looked on the young man with compassion and said to him, ’You have a good heart and the Lord shall give you light; but do you not know that the Lord Creator in the beginning gave to man the fruits of the earth for food, and did not make him lower than the ape, or the ox, or the horse, or the sheep, that he should kill and eat the flesh and blood of his fellow creatures?’

Indeed, the Pharisees believe that Moses commanded such creatures to be slain and offered in sacrifice and eaten, and so do you in your temple, but behold, I have come to light the Way back to the Law, even the true Law of Moses; and to put away the bloody sacrifice as in the beginning, even the sacrifice of grains and fruits of the earth.’ For the hour approaches when your sacrifices and feasts of blood shall cease and you shall worship in holiness with a pure Oblation." 28:1-4

"Then Jesus said, ’Do you think that I speak of the eating of flesh, which you ignorantly do in your temples?’ Not as your ancestors, who craved for flesh and taking of it, ate of corruption till it stank in their nostrils, and their carcasses fell by the thousands in the wilderness by reason of the plagues." 31:2-3

"For the fruits of the trees and the seeds of the herbs alone do I partake, and these are changed by the Spirit into my flesh and my blood. Of these alone and their like shall you eat who believe, and are my disciples, for of these in the Spirit come life and health and healing to man." 32:4

"’Can the blood offerings of the law take away sin?’ And Jesus answered: ’No blood offering of beast or bird, or man, can take away sin, for how can the conscience be purged from sin by the shedding of innocent blood? No, it will increase the condemnation. Is it not written in the Prophets, ’Put away your blood sacrifices and your burnt offerings, and cease from the eating of flesh, for I spoke not to your fathers nor commanded them when I brought them out of Egypt concerning these things.’ And what does the eternal command you, but to be just, love, have mercy and walk humbly with the Law.

Is it not written that in the beginning the Lord ordained the fruits of the trees and the seeds and the herbs to be food for all flesh? But they have made the House of Prayer a den of thieves, and for the pure oblation with incense, they have polluted my altars with blood, and eaten of the flesh of the slain. But I say to you: Shed no innocent blood nor eat the flesh of the slain, and your days shall be long in the land." 33:2-9

"And some of his disciples came and told him of a certain Egyptian, a son of Belial, who taught that it was lawful to torment animals if their sufferings brought any profit to men. And Jesus said to them, ’They who partake of the benefits which are gotten by wronging one of the Creator’s creatures cannot be righteous; nor can they touch or teach holy things, or speak of the mysteries of the Kingdom whose hands are stained with blood, or whose mouths are defiled with flesh.’ The Lord gives the grains and the fruits of the earth for food; and for righteous man there is truly no other lawful substance for the body. Wherefore I say to all those who desire to be disciples, keep your hands from bloodshed and let no flesh meat enter your mouths; for the Lord is just and bountiful; who ordains that man shall live by the fruits and seeds of the earth alone. I am in all creatures and all creatures are in me. In all their joys, I rejoice. In all their afflictions, I am afflicted." 38:1-6

The original interpretation of the Ten Commandments "1) Ye shall worship the one eternal unbegotten Lord Creator, of whom all things are made; 2) Ye shall not take away the life of any creature, nor yet torment it; 3) Ye shall cherish and protect the weak, the oppressed, and all creatures that suffer wrong. 4) Ye shall not eat the flesh, nor drink the blood of any slaughtered creature, nor yet anything which brings disorder to your health or senses; 5) Ye shall eat the fruits and herbs of the earth, and working in the law, live long in the land; 6) Ye shall not make impure marriages where love and health are not, nor yet corrupt yourselves, or any creature; 7) Ye shall revere your fathers and mothers and all the teachers of righteousness; 8) Ye shall not bear false witness against, nor willfully deceive any, nor yet covet or steal their goods; 9) Ye shall purify yourselves daily and rest the seventh day; 10) Ye shall not do unto others, as ye would that others should not do unto you." 46:11-19

"And some of the scribes, hearing him, sought to entangle him in this talk and said, ’If you would put away the sacrifices of sheep and oxen and birds, to what purpose was this temple built for the Lord by Solomon, which has been now forty and six years in restoring?’ And Jesus answered and said, ’It is written in the Prophets, My House shall be called a house of prayer for all nations, for the sacrifice of praise and thanksgiving. But you have made it a house of slaughter and filled it with abominations. Again it is written, ’From the rising of the sun to the setting of the same, my Name shall be great among the multitudes, and incense with a pure Offering shall be offered unto me.’ But you have made it a desolation with your offerings of blood and used the sweet incense only to cover the ill savor thereof. I am come not to destroy the Law, but to fulfill it.

Do you know what is written? ’Obedience is better than sacrifice and to hearken better than the fat of rams. I, the Lord, am weary of your burnt offerings, and vain oblations, your hands are full of blood.’" 49:5-8

"And certain of the Elders and scribes form the Temple came to Jesus saying, ’Why do your disciples teach men that it is unlawful to eat the flesh of beasts though they be offered in sacrifice as Moses ordained?’ For it is written, the Lord said to Noah, ’The fear and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the field and every bird of the air and every fish of the sea, unto your hand they are delivered.’

And Jesus said to them, ’You hypocrites, well did Isaiah speak of you and your forefathers saying, ’These people draw near to me with their mouths and honor me with their lips, but their heart is far from me; for in vain do they worship Me believing and teaching for divine doctrines the commandments of men in my name, but to satisfy their own lusts.’

As also Jeremiah bore witness when he said concerning blood offerings, and sacrifices: ’I, the Lord, commanded none of these things in the day that you came out of Egypt, but only this I commanded you: to do righteousness, walk in the ancient paths, be just, love, have mercy, and walk humbly with your creator.

But you did not hearken to me, Who in the beginning gave you all manner of seed and fruit of the trees, having been for the food and healing of man and beast.

And they said, ’You (Jesus) speak against the law.’

And he (Jesus) said, ’Concerning Moses, indeed I do not speak against the Law, but against those who corrupted the Law, which was tolerated because of the hardness of their hearts.’" 51:12-17

"And in those days, those that have the power shall gather to themselves the lands and riches of the earth for their own lusts and shall oppress the many who lack, and hold them in bondage, and use them to increase their riches, and they shall oppress even the beasts of the field, setting up the abominable thing. But the Lord shall send them His messenger and they shall proclaim the Law, which men have hidden by their traditions, and those that transgress shall reap the harvest of their deeds." 61:3

VEGAN PASSOVER:

"Now, Joseph and Mary, Jesus’ parents, went up to Jerusalem every year at the Feast of Passover and they observed the feast after the manner of their brethren, who abstained from bloodshed and the eating of flesh and from strong drink." 6:1

"Now Judas Iscariot had gone to the house of Caiaphas and said to him, ’Behold he has celebrated the Passover within the gates with the mazza in place of the lamb. I indeed bought a lamb, but he forbade that it should be killed. The man of whom I bought it is witness. And Caiaphas rent his clothes and said, ’Truly he (Jesus) has done a deed which is worthy of death, for it is a weighty transgression of the Law." 76:27

"And they asked him further saying, ’Do you abolish the sacrifices of the law, and the eating of flesh as Moses commanded?’ And Jesus answered, ’Behold, a greater Law than that which you made of Moses’ law is restored to you.’" 79:9

THE LAST PASCHAL SUPPER:

"And Iscariot said to him, ’Jesus, behold the unleavened bread, the mingled wine and the oil and the herbs, but where is the lamb that Moses commanded?’ (for Judas had bought the lamb, but Jesus had forbidden that it should be killed).

But again Judas said, ’Jesus, is it not written in the law that a lamb must be slain for the Passover within the gates?’

Verily I say unto you, for this end have I come into the world: that I may put away all blood offerings and the eating of the flesh of the beasts and the birds that are slain by men. In the beginning the Creator gave to all the fruits of the trees, and the seeds and the herbs for food; but those who loved themselves more than the Lord or their fellows, corrupted their ways and brought diseases into their bodies, and filled the earth with lust and violence. Not by the shedding of innocent blood, therefore, but by living a righteous life shall you find peace.

Blessed are they who keep this Law, for the Creator is manifest in all creatures and all creatures live in the Creator." 75:6-14

"This commandment have I given you, that you love one another and all the creatures of the earth. Love is the fulfilling of the Law. Love is of the Lord, and the Lord is love. Whoso loves not, knows not the Lord. Now you are clean through the Word which I have spoken to you. By this shall all know that you are my disciples: if you show mercy and love to all creatures, especially those that are weak and oppressed and suffer wrong. For the whole earth is filled with dark places of cruelty, with pain and sorrow, by the selfishness and ignorance of man." 76:5-6

"And one asked him saying, ’Jesus shall infants be received into the Congregation in like manner as Moses commanded by circumcision?’ And Jesus answered, ’For those who are in the Law there is no cutting of the flesh, nor shedding of blood.’ Let the infant ... and let the parents see to it that the infant is brought up by Nazirite tradition in the Way of the Law, neither eating flesh nor drinking strong drink, nor touching things impure, nor hurting the creatures given by the Creator into the hands of man to protect.’

Again one said to Jesus, ’Jesus, how will it be when they grow up?’ And Jesus said, ’After seven years, or when they begin to know the evil from the good, and learn to choose good, let them come in Spirit and receive the blessing at the hands of the Priest or the Angel of the Congregation with prayer and Thanksgiving, and let them be admonished to keep from flesh-eating and strong drink, and from hunting the innocent creatures of the earth;" 91:6-7

MARY MAGDALENE, THE VEGAN:

"Wherefore I say to you, her sins, which are many, are forgiven, for she loved much, not only man but also beast and birds of the air, yea, even the fishes of the sea; but to whom little is forgiven, the same loves little." 11:8

"It has been written, ’Thou shall not kill’, but I say to you, if any hate and desire to slay, they have broken the Law, yea, if they cause hurt or torment to any creature they are guilty. But if they kill to put an end to suffering which cannot be healed, they are not guilty, if they do it quickly and with much mercy." 47:3

"And again I say to you, if any desire and seek to possess the body of any creature for food, or for pleasure, or for profit, they defile themselves thereby." 47:6

JESUS FEEDS FRUIT TO THE MULTITUDES:

"And it came to pass as Jesus had been teaching the multitudes, and they were hungry and faint from the heat of the day, that there passed by that was a woman on a camel laden with melons and other fruits. And he took five melons and divided them among the people, and they ate, and their thirst was quenched. And he said to them, ’If the Lord Creator makes the Sun to shine, and the water to fill out these fruits of the earth, shall not the Same be the Sun of your Souls, and fill you with the Water of Life?’ None of them went home hungry or thirsty; and many that had fevers were healed."48:1-4

"And as Jesus was going to Jericho he met there a man with a cage full of birds which he had caught and some young doves. And he saw how they were in misery having lost their liberty, and moreover being tormented by hunger and thirst. And he said to the man, ’What will you do with these?’ And the man answered, ’I go to make my living by selling these birds which I have taken.’

And Jesus said, ’What would you think, if another stronger than you, or with greater craft, were to catch you and bind you, or your wife, or your children, and cast you into a prison, in order to sell you into captivity for his own profit, and make a living?’

Are not these your fellow creatures, only weaker than you? And does not the same Creator care for us all? Let these your little brethren go forth into freedom, and see that you do this no more, but provide honestly for your living.

And the man marveled at these words and at his authority, and he let the birds go free. So when the birds came forth they flew to Jesus and stood on his shoulder and sang to him. And the man inquired further of his doctrine, and he went his way, and learned the craft of making baskets, and by this craft he earned his bread, and afterwards he broke his cages and his traps, and became a disciple of Jesus."41:1-6

"And Jesus came to a certain tree and abode beneath it many days. Mary Magdalene came there with other women and they ministered to him of their substance, and he taught daily to all that came. And the birds gathered around Jesus, and welcomed him with their song, and other living creatures came to his feet, and Jesus fed them, and they ate out of his hands. And when he departed [from under the fig tree] he blessed the women who showed love to him, and turning to the fig tree, he blessed it also, saying, ’You have given me shelter and shade from the burning heat, and given me food also.

Blessed are you, increase and be fruitful, and let all who come to you find rest and shade and food, and let the birds of the air rejoice in your branches. And behold the tree grew and flourished exceedingly, and its branches took root downward and sent shoots upward, and it spread mightily so that no tree was like it for its size and beauty, and the abundance and goodness of its fruit. And as Jesus entered into a certain village he saw a young cat which had none to care for her, and she was hungry and cried to him, and he took her up and put he inside his garment, and she lay in his bosom.

And when he came into the village he set food and drink before the cat, and she ate and drank, and showed thanks to him. And he gave her to one of his disciples, who was a widow, whose name was Lorenza, and she took care of her. And some of the people said, ’This man cares for all creatures. Are they his brothers and sisters that he should love them?’ And he said to them, ’Verily these are your fellow creatures of the great Household of the Lord Creator, yea, they are your brethren and sisters, having the same breath of life in the Eternal.

And whoever cares for one of the least of these, and gives it food and drink in its need, the same does it to me. And whoso willingly suffers one of these to be in want and defends it not when cruelly treated, suffers the evil as done unto me. For as you have done in this life, so shall it be done to you in the life to come." 34:1-10

"And Jesus began to preach and to say, ’Repent, for the Kingdom is at hand.’ And he was walking by the sea and saw Simon called Peter, and Andrew his brother casting a net in the sea; for they were fishers. And he said to them, ’Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.’ And they straightway left their nets and followed him." 14:2

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[tejas]

In an ideal world, we wouldn't need to eat anything.

[mahabaratara]

If we remain vegetarian, we start to weaken the body and mind...

Actually the reverse happened to me...

[nickatnoon61]

Actually the reverse happened to me...
Good on ya MahBaby!!!!:D

[nickatnoon61]

In an ideal world, we wouldn't need to eat anything.TRANSLATION: I EAT CRAP AND I AM TOO LAZY/ADDICTED TO CHANGE!!!! ha ha AM I GETTING TOO CLOSE FOR COMFORT Tejas??? Just trying to make you think, buddy!!!! :D

[chris]

The truth lies with the ones that argue the longest and loudest.

[nickatnoon61]

The truth lies with the ones that argue the longest and loudest.NOTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!! :D

[i am all i am]

IAAIA, :) you are welcome!!! It is a pleasure to know there is some intelligent life out there, besides myself, and a few others on this forum! You know we have to stay the course, as the majority(see mind-controlled zombies) will rebel against what is really good for them(like a spoiled brat child) and try to persuade the rest of the cattle that their abhorent behavior(their support of slaughtering millions of animals every year) is acceptable! Now put yer barf-bag on, and look at auron's link about misery...erm...mystery meat!!! :D

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Nickatnoon.

Yeah, when you look at the stats on how many animals are killed every year and the conditions that they 'live' (or are grown) in, you really start to see the sickness of humanity. When humanity raises over 45 BILLION animals for slaughter each year (and these are year 2000 stats), which is almost 8 times our total population, you start to realise how bloodthirsty humanity truly is.

It is a conditioned response of the mind-controlled zombies to fight. They think that they are carnivores, and that anything that is weaker than they are just has to be prey for them, so they look at herbivores as something to kill. So any human herbivore that they run into has to be attacked, because they feel so much superior being the carnivore. If you think of the 'what you give out you get back' philosophy, then it isn't to hard to understand how humanity is bred and controlled, when that is what they are giving out to the other life-forms on this planet. Maybe they will wake up, or maybe the human carnivore will become extinct, leaving the human herbivore, and other life-forms on the planet, free of their inbred mentality.

"The total number of mammals and birds raised and killed for food in the U.S. this year is expected to reach 9.906 billion. This represents a 2% increase over the 2000 figure of 9.713 billion." (extrapolation of data published by USDA's National Agricultural Statistics Service (NASS) by FARM: http://www.farm.org For report pdf: http://www.wfad.org/RESOURCES/NRAnVictims2x.pdf) [02.10.01.01]

"The 2001 total includes 40 million cattle and calves (down 4% from 2000), 113 million pigs (down 2%), 4 million sheep (down 7%), 308 million turkeys (up 1.3%), 8,967 million 'broilers' (up 2%), 446 million laying hens (up 3.8%), and 25.6 million ducks (up 2.8%)." (extrapolation of data published by USDA's National Agricultural Statistics Service (NASS) by FARM: http://www.farm.org For report pdf: http://www.wfad.org/RESOURCES/NRAnVictims2x.pdf) [02.10.01.02]

"The total [almost 10 billion] also includes nearly 860 million animals who die from mistreatment before ever reaching the slaughterhouse. It does not include the staggering number of aquatic animals used for food, nor the smaller number of terrestrial animals hunted for food or because they compete with farmed animals." (extrapolation of data published by USDA's National Agricultural Statistics Service (NASS) by FARM: http://www.farm.org For report pdf: http://www.wfad.org/RESOURCES/NRAnVictims2x.pdf) [02.10.01.03]

"The 9.900 million animals raised and killed for food account for 98% of all animals abused and killed annually in the US. Approximately 135 million animals are killed for 'sport', 25 million are used in biomedical research and testing, and 10 million are put down in pounds." (extrapolation of data published by USDA's National Agricultural Statistics Service (NASS) by FARM: http://www.farm.org For report pdf: http://www.wfad.org/RESOURCES/NRAnVictims2x.pdf) [02.10.01.04]

"The worldwide number of animals killed for food in 2000 was 45 billion, according to the UN Food and Agriculture Organization. This included 306 million cattle, buffalo, and calves, 1.2 billion pigs, 795 million sheep and goats, and nearly 43 billion chickens, ducks, turkeys and geese. The figures exclude some small countries and 'non-slaughter' deaths, which are generally not reported." (extrapolation of data published by USDA's National Agricultural Statistics Service (NASS) by FARM: http://www.farm.org For report pdf: http://www.wfad.org/RESOURCES/NRAnVictims2x.pdf) [002.10.01.5]

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[carlg1212]

TRANSLATION: I EAT CRAP AND I AM TOO LAZY/ADDICTED TO CHANGE!!!! ha ha AM I GETTING TOO CLOSE FOR COMFORT Tejas??? Just trying to make you think, buddy!!!! :D

Ever hear of "breatharians"?

[tejas]

TRANSLATION: I EAT CRAP AND I AM TOO LAZY/ADDICTED TO CHANGE!!!! ha ha AM I GETTING TOO CLOSE FOR COMFORT Tejas??? Just trying to make you think, buddy!!!! :D

Quite the opposite. I like to do vegetarian diets for a few weeks to detox the body.

I do find that while mentally I am more alert, physically I am weaker.

I am not against vegetarian diets. I am merely promoting balance.

It is a conditioned response of the mind-controlled zombies to fight. They think that they are carnivores, and that anything that is weaker than they are just has to be prey for them, so they look at herbivores as something to kill. So any human herbivore that they run into has to be attacked, because they feel so much superior being the carnivore. If you think of the 'what you give out you get back' philosophy, then it isn't to hard to understand how humanity is bred and controlled, when that is what they are giving out to the other life-forms on this planet. Maybe they will wake up, or maybe the human carnivore will become extinct, leaving the human herbivore, and other life-forms on the planet, free of their inbred mentality.


/me sighs

[synak]

The truth lies with the ones that argue the longest and loudest.

LMAO

Nice avatar, btw.

[Anders Lindman]

I put high quality stuff into my stomach. And also some junk food. Nowadays I always aim at food that tastes good. The so-called 'healthy' food is only healthy for me if it tastes good. Yummy! :D

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[nickatnoon61]

Ever hear of "breatharians"?

Yes, and sungazers. Some Tibetan monks can master everything in this 3rd dimension. They can go without food and water for unlimited amount of time. They can slow their hearts down to almost a standstill. They can live in sub-zero temperatures, with little clothing. They have disciplined their minds over matter.

[nickatnoon61]

Quite the opposite. I like to do vegetarian diets for a few weeks to detox the body.

I do find that while mentally I am more alert, physically I am weaker.

I am not against vegetarian diets. I am merely promoting balance.



/me sighstejas,

You obviously either believe you are getting weaker or you have not reached a detoxified state, where your body then starts to rejuvenate and becomes stronger. I have done it many times over 25 years, and after about a week of juice fasting I start to re-energize, and I am stronger and more mentally alert. The worst part of a fast is the first 3-5 days depending on your toxicity level. Sometimes I get headaches and low energy, for 2 days. Most people quit because of this. They don't realize that once they get over that initial detox, it is easier from then on in, and they will see and feel results..

[nickatnoon61]

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Nickatnoon.

Yeah, when you look at the stats on how many animals are killed every year and the conditions that they 'live' (or are grown) in, you really start to see the sickness of humanity. When humanity raises over 45 BILLION animals for slaughter each year (and these are year 2000 stats), which is almost 8 times our total population, you start to realise how bloodthirsty humanity truly is.

It is a conditioned response of the mind-controlled zombies to fight. They think that they are carnivores, and that anything that is weaker than they are just has to be prey for them, so they look at herbivores as something to kill. So any human herbivore that they run into has to be attacked, because they feel so much superior being the carnivore. If you think of the 'what you give out you get back' philosophy, then it isn't to hard to understand how humanity is bred and controlled, when that is what they are giving out to the other life-forms on this planet. Maybe they will wake up, or maybe the human carnivore will become extinct, leaving the human herbivore, and other life-forms on the planet, free of their inbred mentality.

"The total number of mammals and birds raised and killed for food in the U.S. this year is expected to reach 9.906 billion. This represents a 2% increase over the 2000 figure of 9.713 billion." (extrapolation of data published by USDA's National Agricultural Statistics Service (NASS) by FARM: http://www.farm.org For report pdf: http://www.wfad.org/RESOURCES/NRAnVictims2x.pdf) [02.10.01.01]

"The 2001 total includes 40 million cattle and calves (down 4% from 2000), 113 million pigs (down 2%), 4 million sheep (down 7%), 308 million turkeys (up 1.3%), 8,967 million 'broilers' (up 2%), 446 million laying hens (up 3.8%), and 25.6 million ducks (up 2.8%)." (extrapolation of data published by USDA's National Agricultural Statistics Service (NASS) by FARM: http://www.farm.org For report pdf: http://www.wfad.org/RESOURCES/NRAnVictims2x.pdf) [02.10.01.02]

"The total [almost 10 billion] also includes nearly 860 million animals who die from mistreatment before ever reaching the slaughterhouse. It does not include the staggering number of aquatic animals used for food, nor the smaller number of terrestrial animals hunted for food or because they compete with farmed animals." (extrapolation of data published by USDA's National Agricultural Statistics Service (NASS) by FARM: http://www.farm.org For report pdf: http://www.wfad.org/RESOURCES/NRAnVictims2x.pdf) [02.10.01.03]

"The 9.900 million animals raised and killed for food account for 98% of all animals abused and killed annually in the US. Approximately 135 million animals are killed for 'sport', 25 million are used in biomedical research and testing, and 10 million are put down in pounds." (extrapolation of data published by USDA's National Agricultural Statistics Service (NASS) by FARM: http://www.farm.org For report pdf: http://www.wfad.org/RESOURCES/NRAnVictims2x.pdf) [02.10.01.04]

"The worldwide number of animals killed for food in 2000 was 45 billion, according to the UN Food and Agriculture Organization. This included 306 million cattle, buffalo, and calves, 1.2 billion pigs, 795 million sheep and goats, and nearly 43 billion chickens, ducks, turkeys and geese. The figures exclude some small countries and 'non-slaughter' deaths, which are generally not reported." (extrapolation of data published by USDA's National Agricultural Statistics Service (NASS) by FARM: http://www.farm.org For report pdf: http://www.wfad.org/RESOURCES/NRAnVictims2x.pdf) [002.10.01.5]

http://www.madcowboy.com/01_FactsAR.000.html

THANK YOU.



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[nickatnoon61]

I put high quality stuff into my stomach. And also some junk food. Nowadays I always aim at food that tastes good. The so-called 'healthy' food is only healthy for me if it tastes good. Yummy! :D

OK SARDINEBOY!!!! ha ha ha :D

[nickatnoon61]

Quite the opposite. I like to do vegetarian diets for a few weeks to detox the body.

I do find that while mentally I am more alert, physically I am weaker.

I am not against vegetarian diets. I am merely promoting balance.



/me sighs
You are supporting mass slaughter. What does that have to do with balance?

[i am all i am]

You are supporting mass slaughter. What does that have to do with balance?

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Nickatnoon.

Could it be the balance between denial of, and justification of, mass slaughter ???

On one hand, it is denied as being mass slaughter, and declared as survival. On the other hand, it is justified because that is just the way it is, have a look at nature they say.

Of course, you are not supposed to point out the alternative that a herbivore does not require meat to survive, and that there are many examples of this FACT within nature and humanity. Which obviously then shows it for what it truly is, mass slaughter.

THANK YOU.



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[lilly555]

TRANSLATION: I EAT CRAP AND I AM TOO LAZY/ADDICTED TO CHANGE!!!!


This is me 100%. :o

[i am all i am]

IAAIA, I agree 1000% with all you say, and this is why we get back what we are putting out there....ULTRA-VIOLENCE!!!!!

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Nickatnoon.

Yep, and if you added to the 45 billion deaths that man grows animals for, to the amount of fish that are also killed each year, we would get a clearer picture of how humanity attacks every aspect of nature on this planet in some vain attempt at believing that we are superior to our enviroment and the other life froms within it. Humanity is suffering from the delusion that is brought about by insanity. For truly it is insane to believe that we are superior to all other life forms, because this planet itself is a life form, and has survived for billions of years without humanities assistance.

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[nickatnoon61]

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Nickatnoon.

Yep, and if you added to the 45 billion deaths that man grows animals for, to the amount of fish that are also killed each year, we would get a clearer picture of how humanity attacks every aspect of nature on this planet in some vain attempt at believing that we are superior to our enviroment and the other life froms within it. Humanity is suffering from the delusion that is brought about by insanity. For truly it is insane to believe that we are superior to all other life forms, because this planet itself is a life form, and has survived for billions of years without humanities assistance.

THANK YOU.



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IAAIA, you are describing the Reptilian mind-set to a tee!!! As hybrids we have that nature in our dna. Some of us have overcome it and are less violent, tho! We are not at the top of the food chain! I will defend myself if attacked but I do not go looking for violence. I believe in live and let live!

[baron von lotsov]

I rarely eat meat, and when I do I feel lousy and moody. If people do change over to a vegetarian diet from a meat diet then it's wise to do a bit of a detox first to let all the undigested meat out, mainly beef.


I have eaten it every day for my entire life. I have never suffered any really bad health problems and now I am more particular about what I eat and cook it all myself I simply don't get ill at all. I mean I can go for years without even so much as catching a cold. What I think your problem is, is that your vegetarian diet has deprived you of certain nutrients your body needs to digest food. You see without sufficient levels of certain things it just can't digest. Chromium is one such nutrient and without it you can't even digest wheat. Notice how allergies to wheat are common amongst people on restrictive diets.

[synergy777]

http://www.newstarget.com/019957.html

The top ten things food companies don't want you to know
Monday, August 14, 2006 by: Mike Adams


The giant food corporations have one mission: selling more food and beverage products to consumers. Succeeding with that mission depends on keeping consumers in the dark on certain issues such as the presence cancer-causing chemicals found in popular food products.

Here are ten things the food corporations, whose products dominate grocery store shelves across the United States and other countries, absolutely do not want you to know.

1. The ingredients listed on the label aren't the only things in the food. Cancer-causing chemicals such as acrylamides may be formed in the food during high-heat processing, yet there's no requirement to list them on the label. Residues of solvents, pesticides and other chemicals may also be present, but also do not have to be listed. The National Uniformity for Food Act, currently being debated in the U.S. Congress, would make it illegal (yes, illegal) for states to require cancer warnings on foods that contain cancer-causing chemicals (such as California's Proposition 65.) See articles on the Food Uniformity Act.

2. Monosodium glutamate (MSG), which is added to thousands of food and grocery products through a dozen different innocent-sounding ingredients, imbalances endocrine system function, disabling normal appetite regulation and causing consumers to keep eating more food. This chemical not only contributes to nationwide obesity, it also helps food companies boost repeat business. See articles on MSG.

3. MSG is routinely hidden in foods in these ingredients: yeast extract, torula yeast, hydrolyzed vegetable protein and autolyzed yeast. Thousands of common grocery products contain one or more of these chemical taste enhancers, including nearly all "vegetarian" foods such as veggie burgers (read labels to check). See Food manufacturers hide dangerous ingredients in everyday foods by using confusing terms on the label.

4. ADHD in children is caused almost entirely by the consumption of processed food ingredients such as artificial colors and refined carbohydrates. Eighty percent of so-called ADHD children who are taken off processed foods are cured of ADHD in two weeks. See articles on ADHD.

5. The chemical sweetener aspartame, when exposed to warm temperatures for only a few hours, begins to break down into chemicals like formaldehyde and formic acid. Formaldehyde is a potent nerve toxin and causes damage to the eyes, brain and entire nervous system. Aspartame has been strongly linked to migraines, seizures, blurred vision and many other nervous system problems. See articles on aspartame.

6. Most food dips (like guacamole dip) are made with hydrogenated oils, artificial colors and monosodium glutamate. Many guacamole dips don't even contain avocados.

7. Plastic food packaging is a potent health hazard. Scientists now know that plastics routinely seep the chemical bisphenol A into the food, where it is eaten by consumers. Cooking in plastic containers multiplies the level of exposure. Bisphenol is a hormone disruptor and can cause breast formation in men and severe hormonal imbalances in women. It may also encourage hormone-related cancers such as prostate cancer and breast cancer. See Plastics chemical bisphenol A found to promote prostate cancer in animal studies.

8. Milk produced in the United States comes from cows injected with synthetic hormones that have been banned in every other advanced nation in the world. These hormones help explain why unusually young teenage girls develop breasts at such a young age, or why hormone-related cancers like prostate cancer are being discovered in unprecedented numbers. In order to protect Monsanto, the manufacturer of hormones used in the industry, the USDA currently bans organic milk producers from claiming their milk comes from cows that were not treated with synthetic hormones. Even organic milk is now under fire as the Organic Consumers Association says Horizon milk products are falsely labeled as organic. See Horizon milk, Wild Oats named in consumer boycott of "false" organic products. (The solution to all this? Drink raw almond milk instead. Make it yourself with a Vitamix, water and a nut milk bag.)

9. Most grocery products that make loud health claims on their packaging are, in reality, nutritionally worthless (like meal replacement shakes, instant chocolate milk, etc.). The most nutritious foods are actually those the FDA does not allow to make any health claims whatsoever: fresh produce. See articles on food labeling.

10. Food manufacturers actually "buy" shelf space and position at grocery stores. That's why the most profitable foods (and hence, the ones with the lowest quality ingredients) are the most visible on aisle end caps, checkout lanes and eye-level shelves throughout the store. The effect of all this is to provide in-store marketing and visibility to the very foods and beverages that promote obesity, diabetes, cancer, heart disease and other degenerative conditions now ravaging consumers around the world. See articles on food marketing.

[cloudgazer]

Just wanted to post this video. It made me cry when I saw it. But I highly suggest you watch it, so you can be aware what supporting the meat/dairy industry does.

Warning: may evoke strong emotional response.....

Video called: Meet your Meat
http://www.meat.org/

[nickatnoon61]

Just wanted to post this video. It made me cry when I saw it. But I highly suggest you watch it, so you can be aware what supporting the meat/dairy industry does.

Warning: may evoke strong emotional response.....

Video called: Meet your Meat
http://www.meat.org/I won't watch it CG!!! It makes me TOO SAD AND VERY EFFIN' ANGRY!!!,also! I am vegan,one year and I have been vegetarian for around 25 years. I love animals better than most so-called HUMANS! KARMA MEANS WE DON'T GET AWAY WITH NUTHIN'!!!The ones seeking freedom are still chomping on their animal friends and have NO IDEA, how HYPOCRITICAL they are! I respect my cat more than my trailer-trash neighbors! That is a sad fact. I am happy you reacted positively to the Shamballa Shasta thread I posted! That makes you BETTER than my cat....I HOPE!!!! LOL :D Check out this KOOL KITTY!!! ...... http://www.vegetarismus.ch/vegepet/tyke.htm

[_invisibleplane_]

I've gone between being vegetarian and including meat eating a few diff times, but for the most part I've tried to find a balance by only eating chicken or fish the odd time

on the subject of vegetarian nourishment, incorporating hemp seeds/hemp oil in to your diet will do wonders! spirulina is another super food that can provide almost everything your body needs. two of the most wholesome and healthiest foods on the planet, and both have been connected to eliminating cancer

HEMP - http://www.chii.ca/hemp-seed/hempseed.html

� contains 6 immune-boosting essential fatty acids found in perfect ratio for human consumption.
� protein content consists of 65% of the most digestible form of protein, allowing the protein to be easily assimilated by the human body, making it a great source for vegans and vegetarians.
� contains 9 essential amino acids, 19 in total.
� contains carotene, vitamin C, E, B1, B2, B3 and B6.
� mineral content includes phosphorus, calcium, potassium, magnesium, silica, and iron.
� outer shell is a form of insoluble fibre, which, when broken down, becomes a cleansing agent for the digestive tract and is an effective intestinal lubricant.
� stimulates growth of hair and nails.
� improves health of skin.
� reduces inflammation.
� carries toxins to the surface of the skin, the intestinal tract, kidneys and lungs where they can be expelled.
� used in the treatment of glandular atrophy, gallstones, kidney degeneration, acne, and menstrual irregularity.
� reduces blood serum cholesterol levels.
� lowers blood pressure.
� helps to reduce fever.

SPIRULINA - http://www.spirulina.com/SPBSpirulina.html

* World's highest beta carotene food reduces long term health risks.
Spirulina beta carotene is ten times more concentrated than carrots. So even if you don't eat the recommended 4 to 9 servings of fruits and vegetables every day (most people eat only 1-2, including french fries), get your natural beta carotene insurance from spirulina to help support your body's defenses.
* 60% easy-to-digest vegetable protein without the fat and cholesterol of meat.
People are eating less meat and dairy protein because they want to lower fat, cholesterol, and chemicals in their diet. Spirulina is the highest protein food with all the essential amino acids and has only a few calories to keep your waistline where you want it.
* A rare essential fatty acid is a key to health.
Gamma-linolenic acid (GLA) in mother's milk helps develop healthy babies. Studies show nutritional deficiencies can block GLA production in your body, so a good dietary source of GLA can be important. Spirulina is the only other whole food with GLA.
* Iron for women and children's health.
Iron is essential to build a strong system, yet is the most common mineral deficiency. Spirulina is rich in iron, magnesium and trace minerals, and is easier to absorb than iron supplements.
* High in Vitamin B-12 and B Complex.
Spirulina is the highest source of B-12, essential for healthy nerves and tissue, especially for vegetarians.
* Unusual phytonutrients for health and cleansing.
Scientists are discovering the benefits of polysaccharides, sulfolipids & glycolipids, and the rainbow of natural pigments that give spirulina a deep green color. Green (chlorophyll), blue (phycocyanin) and orange (carotenoids) colors collect the sun's energy and power growth. Chlorophyll is a natural cleanser and is often referred to as nature's green magic.

[nickatnoon61]

I've gone between being vegetarian and including meat eating a few diff times, but for the most part I've found a balance by only eating chicken or fish the odd time

on the subject of vegetarian nourishment, incorporating hemp seeds/hemp oil in to your diet will do wonders! spirulina is another super food that can provide almost everything your body needs. two of the most wholesome and healthiest foods on the planet, and both have been connected to eliminating cancer

HEMP - http://www.chii.ca/hemp-seed/hempseed.html



SPIRULINA - http://www.spirulina.com/SPBSpirulina.html
Thanx IP, i use a lot of both, hemp oil and Spirulina. Where is the BALANCE in eating "DEAD ANIMAL FLESH" with eating living energetic high vibrational foods? I hear this a lot! BALANCE????? Also, ALL COOKED FOOD IS DEAD FOOD.THIS IS A FACT OF LIFE! I see so many potentially beautiful young girls with spackle all over their faces. It is sick-looking. That is from eating DEAD GARBAGE! I am attracted to a woman with NO makeup whatsoever! If one eats the proper living foods they will have a healthy, radiant glow! Empower your self and health, by purchasing a Vita Mix.

[drael]

Where is the BALANCE in eating "DEAD ANIMAL FLESH" with eating living energetic high vibrational foods?

So if my meat is still alive, ie a whole animal, and it is vibrating fast, like on some kinda motor, i can eat it according to this? :D

Obviously, joking :)

Hmm isnt eating "live" food kinda immoral in a way? what if the food suffers? Not that im nessasarily behind cooking, and this makes some energetic sense but makes me sympathetic to the food.

I mean i respect a choice to eat foods with which you can accept or whatever. But, there are useful brain chemicals in some foods, like chicken and fish which enhance the mind/spirit IMO. Chocolate, avocado, banana and others are similar but not the same. Theres also mitochondria, which is only available in meat. I find what so long as one is eating what is "good" for ya, its good. But, each to their own :)

[nickatnoon61]

So if my meat is still alive, ie a whole animal, and it is vibrating fast, like on some kinda motor, i can eat it according to this? :D

Obviously, joking :)

Hmm isnt eating "live" food kinda immoral in a way? what if the food suffers? Not that im nessasarily behind cooking, and this makes some energetic sense but makes me sympathetic to the food.

I mean i respect a choice to eat foods with which you can accept or whatever. But, there are useful brain chemicals in some foods, like chicken and fish which enhance the mind/spirit IMO. Chocolate, avocado, banana and others are similar but not the same. Theres also mitochondria, which is only available in meat. I find what so long as one is eating what is "good" for ya, its good. But, each to their own :) I am talking from EXPERIENCE DRAEL. THAT is my experience which serves me. You find the experience that serves you, but how will you ever know until you try it, and how can you give an opinion on something you have never tried. NOW, SEE IF YOU CAN WORM YER WAY OUT OF THIS ONE???? LOL :D

[drael]

I am talking from EXPERIENCE DRAEL. THAT is my experience which serves me.

Of course, as is natural.

You find the experience that serves you

I have, thank you.

, but how will you ever know until you try it, and how can you give an opinion on something you have never tried.

Interesting question :) It actually applies to so much, it is wisdom. I have fasted, I have been for periods of time without meats. I find the "subtle" effects of some meats useful, especially chicken and fish - very uplifting. I have tried eating meat, and enjoy it. I have never been a whole year without meat, but then i do not crave meat either. I have no reason yet, that is compelling to my heart, to beleive this is a nessasary experiment or action. But i could be wrong, as one always can be. My heart and inner sense leads me to any wisdom or course, and it has not lead me here.

I have no opinion on the moral, physical, health or anything else about vegatarianism.

I was playing the devils advocate to what seemed like an opinion which should have some foundation, to be asserted so strongly - you were very matter of fact. You fall rather, which is natural, to experience. That is all i actually was after ;)

Hmm isnt eating "live" food kinda immoral in a way? what if the food suffers? Not that im nessasarily behind cooking, and this makes some energetic sense but makes me sympathetic to the food.

Still no thoughts on this? This is the aspect i find interesting. What does the food represent to the soul? What does its order, its life, its destruction mean to us? If we burnt a doll, it would reach the soul, this destruction and the similarity to human form. Similarly, to eat a live being, would have its own symbolism, whether plant or animal. This is why animals seem repugnant to eat, because it is similar to us. But so, ultmately is plant. The deep mentality of what we eat, to me is an area i have yet to fully know anything on - or perhaps there is nothing to know???

[northern_light]

The main reason I'm vegetarian is because I want to reduce suffering as much as I am able to, plain and simple. I know plants are conscious too, but they don't feel pain like animals do, apparently the catalyst of physical pain is not needed to raise their awareness. I do believe however, that they feel emotional pain, but I treat them with love and respect like I try to do with all of creation. I don't go burn their leaves or send hateful thoughts towards them.

If you pick apples from a tree, the tree will not die, but rather grow more apples than previously. If you take meat from a cow, the cow suffers tremendous pain and emotional trauma, and loses his/hers physical life. When the apple gets released back into nature by way of your feces or remaining seeds, new apples will grow, so you are actually creating new life out of a painless foodsource:). When you crap out the cow meat, no calfs will grow out of the earth.:p I know, our current waste-disposal system doesn't allow for seeds to grow new plant life, since it's floating in the sewers, but in my opinion we need a new system anyway, the current one is polluting and is unsustainable.

I believe there is a reason why my vegetarianism came with my awakening. I feel more spiritual and healthy than before, and I feel more positive in general.
I have started viewing animals as more "human-like", if you will, so i find it extremely frustrating when people talk about them as mere dinner choices or things.:( Imagine if we had no meat industry, and all the countries traded fruits, vegetables and grains instead. It wouldn't get rid of all of our problems, but it sure would make this world a better place. What if we helped animals raise their awareness instead of killing and exploiting them? That would be something...(Spare the hippie comments:D)

[kanz]

I LOVE YOU.

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Ahhhhhh, that's funny what Swerdlow says, and it has no factual basis to it at all.

Here is someone that has been vegetarian for 25 years...



Other sites can be found through this search.....

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4HPAA_enAU231AU231&q=vegetarian+bodybuilder&meta=

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Nice but seriously how many veggie body builders is there compaired to body builders who eat meat? Its just natural to eat meat to remain strong. Don't get me wrong im not saying its the only way , but eating meat is sure the simplest.

[nickatnoon61]

Nice but seriously how many veggie body builders is there compaired to body builders who eat meat? Its just natural to eat meat to remain strong. Don't get me wrong im not saying its the only way , but eating meat is sure the simplest.Google veggie body builders and find out, there are plenty. Now I will ask you, how many truly aware people are there on this earth, like Northern Light? It is probably the same percentage as veggie body builders. Do you really think most body builders are aware, or even healthy? Most of them are pilled up and on steroids and all kinds of other unnatural poisons. I am sure NAZI ARNIE S. is a very aware and benevolent person,eh? Who in their right mind would want to look like a FREAK anyhow, esp. the women bodybuilders???? There has to be something seriously lacking inside?!?" kanz, this statement by you tells me how little you know about diet and true health.
"Its just natural to eat meat to remain strong."
Just look at how sick our society is physically,mentally ,and spiritually! Slaughtering billions of our animal friends every year,unnecessarily has a lot to do with this sickness.

[nickatnoon61]

Nice but seriously how many veggie body builders is there compaired to body builders who eat meat? Its just natural to eat meat to remain strong. Don't get me wrong im not saying its the only way , but eating meat is sure the simplest.Google veggie body builders and find out, there are plenty. Now I will ask you, how many truly aware people are there on this earth, like Northern Light? It is probably the same percentage as veggie body builders. Do you really think most body builders are aware, or even healthy? Most of them are pilled up and on steroids and all kinds of other unnatural poisons. I am sure NAZI ARNIE S. is a very aware and benevolent, gentle person,eh? Who in their right mind would want to look like a FREAK anyhow, esp. the women bodybuilders???? There has to be something seriously lacking inside?!?" kanz, this statement by you tells me how little you know about diet and true health.
"Its just natural to eat meat to remain strong."
Just look at how sick our society is physically,mentally ,and spiritually! Slaughtering billions of our animal friends every year,unnecessarily has a lot to do with this sickness. "but eating meat is sure the simplest." This comment doesn't hold any water either, and it shows me the "simple" mindset. Now, you can get angry and rant away, or you can think deeply about this and research, and learn more. That is your choice, brother. :)

[nickatnoon61]

The main reason I'm vegetarian is because I want to reduce suffering as much as I am able to, plain and simple. I know plants are conscious too, but they don't feel pain like animals do, apparently the catalyst of physical pain is not needed to raise their awareness. I do believe however, that they feel emotional pain, but I treat them with love and respect like I try to do with all of creation. I don't go burn their leaves or send hateful thoughts towards them.

If you pick apples from a tree, the tree will not die, but rather grow more apples than previously. If you take meat from a cow, the cow suffers tremendous pain and emotional trauma, and loses his/hers physical life. When the apple gets released back into nature by way of your feces or remaining seeds, new apples will grow, so you are actually creating new life out of a painless foodsource:). When you crap out the cow meat, no calfs will grow out of the earth.:p I know, our current waste-disposal system doesn't allow for seeds to grow new plant life, since it's floating in the sewers, but in my opinion we need a new system anyway, the current one is polluting and is unsustainable.

I believe there is a reason why my vegetarianism came with my awakening. I feel more spiritual and healthy than before, and I feel more positive in general.
I have started viewing animals as more "human-like", if you will, so i find it extremely frustrating when people talk about them as mere dinner choices or things.:( Imagine if we had no meat industry, and all the countries traded fruits, vegetables and grains instead. It wouldn't get rid of all of our problems, but it sure would make this world a better place. What if we helped animals raise their awareness instead of killing and exploiting them? That would be something...(Spare the hippie comments:D)
Thanx NL, are you female or male? I noticed you R only 18. You have so much awareness and compassion inside you, by your post! You are the type of individual whom I can align myself with. I am very impressed! Why aren't there more people like you? Blessings to you NL!!! :)

[nickatnoon61]

This is me 100%. :o Wow, what honesty!!! Thank you lilly! :)

[nickatnoon61]

I have eaten it every day for my entire life. I have never suffered any really bad health problems and now I am more particular about what I eat and cook it all myself I simply don't get ill at all. I mean I can go for years without even so much as catching a cold. What I think your problem is, is that your vegetarian diet has deprived you of certain nutrients your body needs to digest food. You see without sufficient levels of certain things it just can't digest. Chromium is one such nutrient and without it you can't even digest wheat. Notice how allergies to wheat are common amongst people on restrictive diets.Baron, you post some great stuff on the forum, but you are way off base on this subject. This is why I find Christianity so hypocritical. They say thou shalt not kill, and then go to McDonalds for lunch!!! VERY HYPOCRITICAL! Wheat is not condusive to health either.
http://www.naturalnews.com/005467.html
Most people with these allergic reactions think there is something wrong with "them". There is nothing wrong with them. It is the wheat gluten.

[nickatnoon61]

http://www.newstarget.com/019957.html

The top ten things food companies don't want you to know
Monday, August 14, 2006 by: Mike Adams


The giant food corporations have one mission: selling more food and beverage products to consumers. Succeeding with that mission depends on keeping consumers in the dark on certain issues such as the presence cancer-causing chemicals found in popular food products.

Here are ten things the food corporations, whose products dominate grocery store shelves across the United States and other countries, absolutely do not want you to know.

1. The ingredients listed on the label aren't the only things in the food. Cancer-causing chemicals such as acrylamides may be formed in the food during high-heat processing, yet there's no requirement to list them on the label. Residues of solvents, pesticides and other chemicals may also be present, but also do not have to be listed. The National Uniformity for Food Act, currently being debated in the U.S. Congress, would make it illegal (yes, illegal) for states to require cancer warnings on foods that contain cancer-causing chemicals (such as California's Proposition 65.) See articles on the Food Uniformity Act.

2. Monosodium glutamate (MSG), which is added to thousands of food and grocery products through a dozen different innocent-sounding ingredients, imbalances endocrine system function, disabling normal appetite regulation and causing consumers to keep eating more food. This chemical not only contributes to nationwide obesity, it also helps food companies boost repeat business. See articles on MSG.

3. MSG is routinely hidden in foods in these ingredients: yeast extract, torula yeast, hydrolyzed vegetable protein and autolyzed yeast. Thousands of common grocery products contain one or more of these chemical taste enhancers, including nearly all "vegetarian" foods such as veggie burgers (read labels to check). See Food manufacturers hide dangerous ingredients in everyday foods by using confusing terms on the label.

4. ADHD in children is caused almost entirely by the consumption of processed food ingredients such as artificial colors and refined carbohydrates. Eighty percent of so-called ADHD children who are taken off processed foods are cured of ADHD in two weeks. See articles on ADHD.

5. The chemical sweetener aspartame, when exposed to warm temperatures for only a few hours, begins to break down into chemicals like formaldehyde and formic acid. Formaldehyde is a potent nerve toxin and causes damage to the eyes, brain and entire nervous system. Aspartame has been strongly linked to migraines, seizures, blurred vision and many other nervous system problems. See articles on aspartame.

6. Most food dips (like guacamole dip) are made with hydrogenated oils, artificial colors and monosodium glutamate. Many guacamole dips don't even contain avocados.

7. Plastic food packaging is a potent health hazard. Scientists now know that plastics routinely seep the chemical bisphenol A into the food, where it is eaten by consumers. Cooking in plastic containers multiplies the level of exposure. Bisphenol is a hormone disruptor and can cause breast formation in men and severe hormonal imbalances in women. It may also encourage hormone-related cancers such as prostate cancer and breast cancer. See Plastics chemical bisphenol A found to promote prostate cancer in animal studies.

8. Milk produced in the United States comes from cows injected with synthetic hormones that have been banned in every other advanced nation in the world. These hormones help explain why unusually young teenage girls develop breasts at such a young age, or why hormone-related cancers like prostate cancer are being discovered in unprecedented numbers. In order to protect Monsanto, the manufacturer of hormones used in the industry, the USDA currently bans organic milk producers from claiming their milk comes from cows that were not treated with synthetic hormones. Even organic milk is now under fire as the Organic Consumers Association says Horizon milk products are falsely labeled as organic. See Horizon milk, Wild Oats named in consumer boycott of "false" organic products. (The solution to all this? Drink raw almond milk instead. Make it yourself with a Vitamix, water and a nut milk bag.)

9. Most grocery products that make loud health claims on their packaging are, in reality, nutritionally worthless (like meal replacement shakes, instant chocolate milk, etc.). The most nutritious foods are actually those the FDA does not allow to make any health claims whatsoever: fresh produce. See articles on food labeling.

10. Food manufacturers actually "buy" shelf space and position at grocery stores. That's why the most profitable foods (and hence, the ones with the lowest quality ingredients) are the most visible on aisle end caps, checkout lanes and eye-level shelves throughout the store. The effect of all this is to provide in-store marketing and visibility to the very foods and beverages that promote obesity, diabetes, cancer, heart disease and other degenerative conditions now ravaging consumers around the world. See articles on food marketing.Thanx synergy, too true! Read this link to see the agenda behind your post...http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread27885/pg1

[enlightenme]

^that artical is great and all to true. we are killing ourselves and our children by eating all this processed food. problems with violence, inability to listen/learn ect ect in our world is because of processed crap!

I have cut down my meat consumption (will soon become veg) not because i dont want animals to be killed (i do eat organic...i have alittle concious) but for environmental reasons. Agriculture contributes nearly a quarter of the world's greenhouse pollution, mostly from livestock production.

i commend anyone who is Vegetarian/Vegan, they are doing a great thing. :)

[cloudgazer]

Thanx NL, are you female or male? I noticed you R only 18. You have so much awareness and compassion inside you, by your post! You are the type of individual whom I can align myself with. I am very impressed! Why aren't there more people like you? Blessings to you NL!!! :)

I agree, Northern lights has a very good post :D Giving back to the earth is good!

Also, just wanted to say, that I have been vegan before and vegetarian, currently I am going to go back to that. Unfortunately when I went the Europe over the summer it was hard to be vegan or vegetarian because I didn't have enough money and so I ate whatever I could. But now I don't know why I allowed myself to have a bad habit (of eating meat) for the past 8 months or so. Being vegan I felt the best, vegetarian I felt good. :) And no guilty feelings while I ate either. :)

[northern_light]

Thanx NL, are you female or male? I noticed you R only 18. You have so much awareness and compassion inside you, by your post! You are the type of individual whom I can align myself with. I am very impressed! Why aren't there more people like you? Blessings to you NL!!! :)

Hehe, that's very nice of you. I'm glad to be reminded that there are people like you in this world, however scattered around you might be. Seems like this forum is a gathering point of such individuals.:)
I may dissapoint some of you here, but I'm not an 18 year old blonde, scandinavian girl. I'm a male.:D
Thank you for your kind words nickatnoon. Positive energy your way.

[auron]

I have been "vegan" (I hate labels!), since August last year.

My depression and angry feelings have completely vanished because of it!

But i'm not going to turn round and say to people "You must do this in order to be well", because it's none of my business what other people do. :D

If you eat meat; fair do's...... But i can guarantee that if you went without it for a couple of weeks, you will feel the benefits of a nice and fresh body!

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[nickatnoon61]

Hehe, that's very nice of you. I'm glad to be reminded that there are people like you in this world, however scattered around you might be. Seems like this forum is a gathering point of such individuals.:)
I may dissapoint some of you here, but I'm not an 18 year old blonde, scandinavian girl. I'm a male.:D
Thank you for your kind words nickatnoon. Positive energy your way.
You R welcome,NL, being male and vegan is even a rarer "animal".... pardon the pun!!!! How did you become like that? Were your parents veggie? thanx....

[nickatnoon61]

I agree, Northern lights has a very good post :D Giving back to the earth is good!

Also, just wanted to say, that I have been vegan before and vegetarian, currently I am going to go back to that. Unfortunately when I went the Europe over the summer it was hard to be vegan or vegetarian because I didn't have enough money and so I ate whatever I could. But now I don't know why I allowed myself to have a bad habit (of eating meat) for the past 8 months or so. Being vegan I felt the best, vegetarian I felt good. :) And no guilty feelings while I ate either. :) Thanx CG, I know what you mean. The stereotype of the vegan being a "hippie-type weakling" is just that. I am 54 and in better shape than most men half my age. When the carnivores post that they are healthy, most of them are still young . Most will not reach my age without health problems, if they remain on their present "course". Another pun!!! LOL But "live by the sword,and die by the sword".You have all the traits of an INDIGO, from what I have read. You enjoyed the Shamballa thread, and you are veggie.This is how I recognize 'the goodies from the baddies". How many Zionists/Illumunati do you think are vegan????? EXACTLY....not many, if any!!! Death and destruction is their game, and to keep as many as possible living in their low level vibration!!! cheers bud....:)

[nickatnoon61]

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I have no opinion on the moral, physical, health or anything else about vegatarianism.

Have no opinion?So the slaughter of billions of animals doesn't bother you? So everything is going OK for now, and you will only make some changes if and when you become seriously ill? That is why when someone tells me they have cancer, I reply,"congratulations,The UNIVERSE is telling you there is something seriously wrong with your diet/lifestyle. What an opportunity to make positive changes ,for you and your environment!" Maybe,You just don't like to think about it? Kinda like the husband who knows his wife is cheating on him, but is too afraid to confront the reality of it ? Or the average drone, who is confronted with NWO info,and refuses to acknowledge, it is even happening.For some reason the D word comes to mind....DENIAL.

[samkinison75]

Me myself have been a pretty good vegetarian for about year and I really do like it. Occasionally (not very often maybe once every 3 months I may eat some chicken, but not much), but other than that I am pretty much a Vegetarian. I do eat some seafood, eggs, and cheese occasionally. I also eat dairy and meat substitutes which are actually pretty good if you look into it. There are many reasons to go Vegetarian, I just don't really enforce them on others as this is my choice and may not be others.

Some reasons I became vegetarian.

Bad Meat experiences

Health reasons, and I do actually feel like I have a lot more energy.

Beef, pork, and Chicken recalls like crazy, not to mention all the other gross stuff in and about meat. Just look at the Major Beef recall happening in the United States.

The superiority of mankind of animals is pretty harsh and you can link it with most religions quite closely. The same could be said of women.

If you have a cat or a dog, but your out eating chickens, cows, and whatever else is part of your routine eating, why not just eat your fucking cat or dog. They really aren't too much different. Contrary to the belief Chickens, Pigs, and Cows do have feelings, brains, Intelligence, lives, and a conscience.

You really don't know where your meat comes from half the time, but the same can also apply to vegetables.

Meat has been linked to a lot of health problems.........Yes it is true.

You can get a lot of Proten without meat as well.

Dairy really isn't meant for that much human consumption just like giraffe isn't really meant to suck on the breast of a cow. Some dairy consumption is ok, but most humans are lactose intollerant not too mention Milk has all sorts of other problems.

Being a vegetarian may be more expensive, but the Irony just flows like a river when you think how that works. The world is obviously (blatantly) being controlled if you have to pay less to eat shittier and pay more to eat healthier.
Look at most American's and I see this everyday from being an American how Eating Mcdonalds or Wendy's (the processed garbage from hell which you put into your body) is like a daily activity for people and you see them becoming more and more obese by the second. This is probably a major reason why this county is made fun of most of the time, because we put so much garbage like Fast Food into our bodies without thinking twice about it. How is it all marketed? By the Dollar Menu, and Tasty looking TV commercials.

Its quite a clear picture folks.

[auron]

Some food for thought....

http://www.notmilk.com/kradjian.html

It was after reading this article i gave up dairy products... :eek:

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[enlightenme]

[QUOTE=samkinison75;284821]Look at most American's and I see this everyday from being an American how Eating Mcdonalds or Wendy's (the processed garbage from hell which you put into your body) is like a daily activity for people and you see them becoming more and more obese by the second. This is probably a major reason why this county is made fun of most of the time, because we put so much garbage like Fast Food into our bodies without thinking twice about it. How is it all marketed? By the Dollar Menu, and Tasty looking TV commercials. QUOTE]

sorry mate though there are many other bigger factors why your country is in your words 'made fun of'. but this isnt the thread for that ;)

sure meat is bad for your digestion ect though we must be careful here when we say vegetarians are more 'healthy'. i know a few veg's who have terrible diets and their eating & living habits may just bring ill health just as meat eaters may.

a balanced organic diet and healthy lifestyle keeps you living longer regardless if you eat meat or are a veg.

[samkinison75]

[QUOTE=samkinison75;284821]Look at most American's and I see this everyday from being an American how Eating Mcdonalds or Wendy's (the processed garbage from hell which you put into your body) is like a daily activity for people and you see them becoming more and more obese by the second. This is probably a major reason why this county is made fun of most of the time, because we put so much garbage like Fast Food into our bodies without thinking twice about it. How is it all marketed? By the Dollar Menu, and Tasty looking TV commercials. QUOTE]

sorry mate though there are many other bigger factors why your country is in your words 'made fun of'. but this isnt the thread for that ;)

sure meat is bad for your digestion ect though we must be careful here when we say vegetarians are more 'healthy'. i know a few veg's who have terrible diets and their eating & living habits may just bring ill health just as meat eaters may.

a balanced organic diet and healthy lifestyle keeps you living longer regardless if you eat meat or are a veg.


Oh, I know.........believe me I have been thinking outside of the box for quite a while. I can see a lot of reasons why this country is made fun of which are completely obvious. Its not my fault that I am American so I'll leave it at that.

Regarding the "a balanced diet and healthy lifestyle keeps you living longer regardless if you eat meat or are a veg". I totally agree

[drael]

So the slaughter of billions of animals doesn't bother you?

No all harm effects me. I cried once at a truck filled with felled trees. I often wonder what a plants experience is like.

So everything is going OK for now, and you will only make some changes if and when you become seriously ill? That is why when someone tells me they have cancer, I reply,"congratulations,The UNIVERSE is telling you there is something seriously wrong with your diet/lifestyle. What an opportunity to make positive changes ,for you and your environment!"

There is some reason to suspect i will get ill eating the hunter gatherer diet?

Looks like theres another thread here about drinking pee. Hope i dont have to that to attain the "health" nirvana!

[nickatnoon61]

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Looks like theres another thread here about drinking pee. Hope i dont have to that to attain the "health" nirvana! That's called "takin' the piss"!!!!:eek: :D

[nickatnoon61]

Some food for thought....

http://www.notmilk.com/kradjian.html

It was after reading this article i gave up dairy products... :eek:

http://************************.org/files/infinitelove/logos/logo_phpBB.gif auron, jew ever read "Back To Eden" by Jethro Kloss? It explained in there about a girl who had eaten beefsteak, and she couldn't breathe. It was discovered that maggots were infested in her throat area from the beef. I was semi-vegetarian back then, but I went completely veggie after reading that. wretchhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!! :eek:
Cow's milk is not suited for human consumption. Milk causes constipation, biliousness, coated tongue, headache, and these are the symptoms of intestinal auto-intoxication. ...Jethro Kloss.

[nickatnoon61]

Some quotes from famous vegetarians.......


http://www.animalliberationfront.com/Saints/Authors/Quotes/SortQuotesVegan.htm

[nickatnoon61]

^that artical is great and all to true. we are killing ourselves and our children by eating all this processed food. problems with violence, inability to listen/learn ect ect in our world is because of processed crap!

I have cut down my meat consumption (will soon become veg) not because i dont want animals to be killed (i do eat organic...i have alittle concious) but for environmental reasons. Agriculture contributes nearly a quarter of the world's greenhouse pollution, mostly from livestock production.

i commend anyone who is Vegetarian/Vegan, they are doing a great thing. :) Thanx Enlighten, that is how I quit many moons ago....I weaned off meat slowly.With dairy, I quit cold turkey, last year! I don't miss it..........

[enlightenme]

not a prob ;)

yeah dairy is a no no unless you have a cow in your back yard!
the milk you buy in a carton dosent do much at all....you prob get more out of drinking water.

[nickatnoon61]

not a prob ;)

yeah dairy is a no no unless you have a cow in your back yard!
the milk you buy in a carton dosent do much at all....you prob get more out of drinking water.EM As Father Bush used to say..."READ MY LIPS" :D ,cow's milk is for "baby cows." Goat's milk is for baby goats, sheep's milk is for.....................................WE don't need it, so why eat it?

[thetonic]

EM As Father Bush used to say..."READ MY LIPS" :D ,cow's milk is for "baby cows." Goat's milk is for baby goats, sheep's milk is for.....................................WE don't need it, so why eat it?

Hows about cheese made from woman titty milk?.. mmmmmm:D

[nickatnoon61]

Hows about cheese made from woman titty milk?.. mmmmmm:DNOW that's "the tonic"!!!!! :eek: I would have liked to have been there when man first thought....I think I'll try the cow's milk, and got down on all 4s....I hoped the cow kicked his head in!!!! LOL :D

[madthumbs]

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-Note the dietary restriction

[Mo0n5tar]

On dairy,
At what stage in history do you think a man decided; "hang on a minute, I'm going to squeeze that animals fat pink nipples and drink the juice that comes out"?

If the process of humans drinking dairy was begun in bestiality then, IMO it is yet more reason to refrain!