The 300

[woghd]

Ok, I just saw it for the first time today.

Is it just me, or is this movie like watching some sort of propaganda film...

The "Turks" were all black people, I don't know why, I don't recall the Moors ever going that far north, I may be wrong. And they made them all absolutely hideous looking, non-human, demonic even. Half of them looked like they came out of an old "Hellraiser" movie. The Spartans were depicted as perfect, beautiful people. I don't get it. I know a little about that era of history, and it was NOTHING like the movie. The whole experience was wierd, as if I were watching a propaganda film, or as if it was an attempt to program and brainwash.

Am I going crazy? Has anyone else seen this movie? What do you think?

Archangel

[spiraltrance]

I just thought it was poorly made film. The story has no real ending either.

[freedomnonfighter]

Um it pretty much was a propaganda piece.

Coming out of the theatre you could here idiots going "I'm so pumped!" and things of the like.

A few people at work actually expressed [conditioned] 'interest' in going to fight 'the terrorists' because of the movie.

I'm interested how many actually did though...

That's what it is all about. Recruitment.

[rebel ins]

I agree bad movie, propaganda makes it even worse

the movie actually wants to propagate that the western civilization is based on freedom and democracy, majority of people are ignorant on this matter, so they'll believe this bullshit when the east-west conflict erupts

but the Turks and Moors? you are way off

[lemonique]

Mythology, with a good spattering of history. Psychological programming IMO.

Cheers
Lemonique

[matrixcutter]

I'm pretty sure I saw a few shape-shifts in there.


One of them turned into a newt.

(He got better.)

[mynameis]

It's gay.

It's raining 300 men - YouTube

[synergy777]

turks are a mixed bunch. infact south europe, north afrcia is a very mixed place. from africans/indians, to the turko/mongloids(orientals).

persians versus greeks, is east v west.

i prefer kingdom of heaven, ist actully triuthful, and depicts us asains in a positive light. also its ridley scott, he did gladiator aswell. saladin, is a legend.

[bigus_dickus]

it is just a movie with nice computer graphics derived from the fascination and imagination of Frank Miller which was based in a historical battle.

that's about it, no east vs west, no propaganda, no politics, just people who see it that way.

[synergy777]

the depictions of savage persians compared to the noble spartans was so skewed. great cgi though.

[yvonne]

OMG...I loved the movie!

Did you not see the six packs?...(drools over comp;))

[phoebe]

OMG...I loved the movie!

Did you not see the six packs?...(drools over comp;))

lol
I saw them!
(btw if you find some stills, you can see
a lot of them are make-up/airbrushing)
It was an ok movie.
Looked beautiful.
Excellent fight scenes.
Irritating ending.
I watched the film for free online so
Can't really complain.
Propaganda?
Doubtful...
Just one person's interpretation of historical events.

[phoebe]

Ahhhhhh David Wenham *swoon*

[brotherapostate]

I thought it was a great piece of screenplay, superb effects et all. I couldn't figure out why they kept bringing blacks into it. I guess its another case of Hollywood distorting reality. They even portrayed Hannibal as a great black leader.

But then I guess there are only a certain amount of films about the slave trade that blacks can get a starring role in. Unless anybody can state otherwise (and I fully welcome any discussions) what great dynasties and empires have blacks managed to build up?

[synergy777]

i place called egypt, early vedic kingdoms, olmecs.

[brotherapostate]

Egypt was a black nation?

[synergy777]

yes before us asians/hyskos raided and invaded them. modern day egyptians are from arabia/persia/india, they displaced, overthrew the indigineous kemites/cushites etc, the nubians/sudanese that were the real egyptians.

its human nature, we overthrew them, you overthrew us, we are all guilty.

[davidbarstis]

Whether someone liked or disliked the movie is not my business, but when some of you say it's just an innocent depiction of ones view of history is beyond laughable. Violent movies and inaccurate distortions of history is a form of brainwashing people who take everything at face value. All the violence on TV and movies are just innocent potrayals of life? Holy shit.

[brotherapostate]

When you say modern day, from which time scale do you speak? 10,000 years ago the black indigenous peoples were displaced by the Arabs?

[synergy777]

http://www.institut.math.jussieu.fr/~leila/mitanni/hyksos.html

The Hyksos Invasion

Around 1720-1710 BCE, Egypt began to be invaded by a people "of obscure race", who became known as the Hyk-Sos, "shepherd kings".
These Hyksos melted easily into Egyptian society at first; eventually they became very powerful, and finally, in a coup, they came to rule the whole of Northern Egypt, imposing one of their people as the legitimate Pharaoh.

They were able to accomplish this because they took advantage of a time when the dynasty of Pharaohs came to an end, because the Pharaoh had no son to succeed him. This was usually the sign of the end of a dynasty and the beginning of another, although there are exceptions; Hatshepsut was not considered the end of a dynasty, whereas Ahmose is considered the first king of the 18th dynasty because he reconquered Upper Egypt from the Hyksos, although his father was also Pharaoh.

During the Hyksos rule of Upper Egypt, they established their capital in the city of Avaris in the Delta, and the legitimate line of Pharaohs had to move to Thebes (now Luxor) in the South, ruling only over Lower Egypt.

For about a hundred years, there was relative peace and cooperation between the two Pharaohs, simply because the Hyksos were really very good rulers, knowing how to adopt and improve the Egyptian lifestyle.

But naturally, there were undercurrents of enmity. The Hyksos Pharaohs were always desperate to prove their (non-existent, really) legitimity, and furious because the true secrets of king-making were never delivered to them. They adopted traditional Egyptian names, and yet curious ones; Apophis (Apepi) for example is the other name of Seth, the evil brother who slew Osiris.

As for the legitimate line of Pharaohs, it goes without saying that they dreamed of reconquering Upper Egypt,until the time of Seqenenre Tao I and II and their sons, who realized the dream.


hyskos started in india, then onto babylon/iraq, iran, isarel/jerusalem and then egypt. the method of infiltration was the brahamic priesthood. its these who gave rise to jewish priesthood. flavius jospehus the jewish historian points this out in conta apinon, chapter 1 verse 22:16. .

see monarchies come and go, the priesthood remians.

[synergy777]

Hyksos - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Hyksos (Egyptian heqa khasewet, "foreign rulers"; Greek Ὑκσώς, Ὑξώς) were an Asiatic people, likely Semitic or Indo-Europeans, who invaded the eastern Nile Delta, initiating the Second Intermediate Period of Ancient Egypt. They rose to power in the 17th century BC, (according to the traditional chronology) and ruled Lower and Middle Egypt for 108 years, forming the Fifteenth and possibly the Sixteenth Dynasties of Egypt, (c. 1648–1540 BC).[1] This 108-year period follows the Turin Canon, which gives the six kings of the Hyksos 15th Dynasty a total reign length of 108 years.[2]

Traditionally, only the six Fifteenth Dynasty rulers are called "Hyksos". The Hyksos had Canaanite names, as seen in those which contain the names of Semitic deities such as Anath or Ba'al. They introduced new tools of warfare into Egypt, most notably the composite bow and the horse-drawn chariot.

Some scholars, as early as Josephus, have associated the Semitic Hyksos with the ancient Hebrews, seeing their departure from Egypt as the story retold in the Exodus. Notably, Canaanite/Hebrew names occur among the Hyksos.

Was there a Hyksos invasion?
Manetho's account of the appearance of the Hyksos in Egypt describes it as an armed invasion by a horde of foreign barbarians who met little resistance and who subdued the country by military force. It has been claimed that new revolutionary methods of warfare ensured the Hyksos the ascendancy in their invasion. Herbert E. Winlock describes new military hardware, such as the composite bow, as well as the improved recurve bow and most importantly the horse-drawn war chariot, as well as improved arrowheads, various kinds of swords and daggers, a new type of shield, mailed shirts, and the metal helmet.[8]

The traditional explanation is there was an invasion; one that took several years and that wasn't a coordinated effort of some foreign kingdom, but mostly a migration of particular groups, tribes or federated tribes, which had access to new and superior weapons developed further away in Asia that helped them conquer a rich piece of land to live in, and were possibly being routed from their own areas.

In the last decades, however, the idea of a simple migration, with little or no violence involved, has gained some support[9]. Under this theory, the Egyptian rulers of 13th Dynasty were unable to stop these new migrants from travelling to Egypt from Asia because they were weak kings who were struggling to cope with various domestic problems including possibly famine. At some point in time, the foreigners, whose elite might have already been local rulers in the name of the Pharaoh, realized there was no need to pay tribute and obedience to a weak king, and took the title of Pharaoh for themselves (in the north of the country — the Hyksos never penetrated the south).

Josephus, quoting from the work of the historian Manetho, described the invasion:

“ By main force they easily seized it without striking a blow; and having overpowered the rulers of the land, they then burned our cities ruthlessly, razed to the ground the temples of gods… Finally, they appointed as king one of their number whose name was Salitis. ”

Supporters of the peaceful takeover of Egypt claim that there is little evidence of battles or wars in general in this period[10]. They also maintain that the chariot didn't play any relevant role, so there was no real technological superiority on the Hyksos side. The case for the invasion, on the other side, is based mostly on: (a) the traditional Manetho's explanation; (b) the fact that the chariot was a new technology spreading from Central Asia and that there are other theories of invasions by nomadic or semi-nomadic tribes mounted on chariots in 1700–1300 BC, most notably Hurrians in the Near East (Helck) and Aryans in India (the Vedas), with the Hurrians in particular being active quite near where the Hyksos appeared; and (c) the fact that the chariot became the master weapon of that period, the weapon of nobles and kings, and one of the most important symbols of power in Eurasia, because in Mycenaean Greece, India, Mesopotamia, Eastern Europe and China, kings and gods started to be portrayed on chariots, buried in chariots and always went to war in chariots. With such an important new weapon, the advocates of the invasion theory say, it seems strange to consider that the Hyksos just entered peacefully in the north of Egypt from Asia, with no knowledge of the chariot, or knowing it but choosing not to use it.

http://www.searchgodsword.org/his/bc/wfj/

http://www.searchgodsword.org/his/bc/wfj/apion/

http://www.searchgodsword.org/his/bc/wfj/apion/view.cgi?book=1&chapter=1

chapter 1 verse 22:16

Then said Hyperochides, Go on, if it so pleases thee. This man then, [answered Aristotle,] was by birth a Jew, and came from Celesyria; these Jews are derived from the Indian philosophers; they are named by the Indians Calami, and by the Syrians Judaei, and took their name from the country they inhabit, which is called Judea; but for the name of their city, it is a very awkward one, for they call it Jerusalem

[brotherapostate]

They were able to accomplish this because they took advantage of a time when the dynasty of Pharaohs came to an end, because the Pharaoh had no son to succeed him.

It suggests that by that time the empire and dynasty had already been built. There's no evidence here that blacks had built the Egyptian empire.

[synergy777]

bro is they hadn't built it, if they hadn't had great riches, we indians/hyskos wouldn't have invaded them to be frank. aquisition by conquest, you only invade for resources/wealth, look at empire/bush, lol. the pyramids are older than the official ages in my view, like hancocks etc speculate. sphinx being from 10,500 bc, aligning with the constellation leo/orion.

i think due to the destruction of africa, the looting etc of africa, people view it in its modern day condition and thus see that as its state since time immemorial. i think the africans have been treated the worst, completely blotted out from history. western scholars all recognise the vedic/vedas as the foundation from oppenheimer, einstein, twain etc. we must look back also to africa and give her the rightful recognition of being the foundation for our world/civilisation.

its egyptians, who educated greeks, the greeks educated the romans, the romans educated the germanic tribes.

its all a time loop

[brotherapostate]

Again there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that African black people had anything to do with the building of the great Egyptian civilization. I am quite open to the possibility that the pyramids were constructed way before the official version of events though. Graham Hancock is a superb pioneer in that field.

I believe that African people have (unfortunately) been used as pawns, and their culture and resources have been ransacked. Credo Mutwa has some stuff to say about that.

In the most ultimate of ironies however, in nations where blacks have (on the surface) managed to fight back and regain control, they have completely fucked the place up. Rhodesia (Zimbabwe) was once called the Jewel of Africa, but now under black control the country has been torn apart. South Africa is another prime example.

[mynameis]

Yes and there's absolutely no evidence of white people in Egypt neither. I think they all came from the East by the Arabian peninsula as refugees from Sumer or Vice Versa.

[brotherapostate]

I was not arguing from a white supremacist standpoint.

[rebel ins]

black (ethiopian) haplogroup consists 40 % of today Egyptian population, european around 7 %

[synergy777]

india was a terrority of the african naga kings, indians are descended from africans. if you look at sudan/somlia/kenya/ethiopia, these people via the land route travelled through yemen/oman/arabia onto to india. they also took the naval route. east africa and india are very near. later these africans/indians started the hyskos migration back. they overthrew the egyptians/cushites/nubians/khemites. these hyskos indians/arabs, started a slave trade, by using africans as slaves. its not proud period of indian/arab history, but we enslaved them. then the romans later on invaded egypt, and the rest is known history. modern day egyptians are arabised/hyskos, ask them were they come from they say arabia/persia/india. look at mido, he is the modern egyptian. the ancient egyptian is the african. also romany, are falsely called gyp-sies (out of egypt), they lived there but their original name is romany/roma from panjab india. then look at he origins of south italians/sicilian/romans. it merely the migrations of a species, that species being humans.

http://www.homestead.com/wysinger/nubians.html

Ancient Nubia (Sudan) (Map). Around 5,000 years ago, a rich and powerful nation called the kingdom of Kush (also referred to as ancient Nubia) was a center of culture and military might in Africa. Ancient Nubia had a wealth of natural resources such as gold, ivory, copper, frankincense and ebony but they also produced and traded a variety of goods such as pottery. The

Nubians formed the foundation of the Proto-Dravidians, Proto-Elamites, Proto-Mande speakers and West Atlantic people.

Elusive A Group findings.

Their bowmen warriors (Exhibit 1) were known and feared by those who saw them in battles. Ancient Nubia's lands are now part of modern Egypt and Sudan. Its geographic position meant that much of ancient Nubia's development is connected to that of ancient Egypt. In fact, Egypt ruled much of Nubia between 2000 B.C. and 1000 B.C., but when Egypt collapsed into civil war, Nubian kings ruled Egypt from around 800 B.C. to 700 B.C.

The Nubians are believed to be the first human race on earth, and most of their customs and traditions were adopted by the ancient Egyptians [Diodorus; History, Book III: 2).. To the Greeks, they were known as Ethiopians and Nubia as the land of Punts, i.e. the land of gods.

Nubians are the people of northern Sudan and southern Egypt. With a history and traditions which can be traced to the dawn of civilization, the Nubian first settled along the banks of the Nile from Aswan. Along this great river they developed one of the oldest and greatest civilizations in Africa. Until they lost their last kingdom (Christian Nubia) only five centuries back the Nubians remained as the main rivals to the other great African civilization of Egypt.

Nubia is the homeland of Africa's earliest black culture with a history which can be traced from 3800 B.C. onward through Nubian monuments and artifacts, as well as written records from Egypt and Rome. In antiquity, Nubia was a land of great natural wealth, of gold mines, ebony, ivory and incense which was always prized by her neighbors.

Research Links:
Kingdom of Kush (Photos)
Nubian Culture & Civilization
QUEEN TIYE of Egypt was Nubian. Wife of Pharaoh Amenhotep III (1391-1353) B.C.

Mother-in-Law of Nefertiti and the Grandmother of King Tutankhamun (Photo Gallery)
(The Contents of the New York Times, March 1, 1979 article that appeared on pages 1 & A16)

Nubian Monarchy Called Oldest
By Boyce Renseberger
(From page 1)

Evidence of the oldest recognizable monarchy in human history, preceding the rise of the earliest Egyptian kings by several generations, has been discovered in artifacts from ancient Nubia in Africa.

Until now it had been assumed that at that time the ancient Nubian culture, which existed in what is now northern Sudan and southern Egypt, had not advanced beyond a collection of scattered tribal clans and chiefdoms.

The existence of rule by kings indicates a more advanced form of political organization in which many chiefdoms are united under a more powerful and wealthier ruler.

The discovery is expected to stimulate a new appraisal of the origins of civilization in Africa, raising the question of to what extent later Egyptian culture may have derived its advanced political structure from the Nubians. The various symbols of Nubian royalty that have been found are the same as those associated, in later times, with Egyptian kings.

The new findings suggest that the ancient Nubians may have reached this stage of political development as long ago as

3300 B.C., several generations before the earliest documented Egyptian king.

The discovery is based on study of artifacts from ancient tombs excavated 15 years ago in an international effort

(From page A16)

Clues to Oldest Monarchy Found in Nubia

to rescue archeological deposits before the rising waters of the Aswan Dam covered them.The artifacts, including hundreds of fragments of pottery, jewelry, stone vessels, and ceremonial objects such as incense burners, were initially recovered from the Qustul cemetery by Keith C. Seele, a professor at the University of Chicago. The cemetery, which contained 33 tombs that were heavily plundered in ancient times, was on the Nile near the modern boundary between Egypt and the Sudan.

The significance of the artifacts, which had been in storage at the university's oriental Institute, was not fully appreciated until last year, when Bruce Williams, a research associate, began to study them.

"Keith Seele had suspected the tombs were special, perhaps even royal," Dr. Williams said in an interview. "It was obvious from the quantity and quality of the painted pottery and the jewelry that we were dealing with wealthy people. But it was the picture on a stone incense burner that indicated we really had the tomb of a king."

On the incense burner, which was broken and had to be pieced together, was a depiction of a palace façade, a crowned king sitting on a throne in a boat, a royal standard before the king and, hovering above the king, the falcon god Horus. Most of the images are ones commonly associated with kingship in later Egyptian traditions.

The portion of the incense burner bearing the body of the king is missing but, Dr. Williams said, scholars are agreed that the presence of the crown in a form well known from dynastic Egypt and the god Horus are irrefutable evidence that the complete image was that of a king.

Clue on Incense Burner

The majestic figure on the incense burner, Dr. Williams said, is the earliest known representation of a king in the Nile Valley. His name is unknown, but he is believed to have lived approximately three generations before the time of Scorpion, the earliest-known Egyptian ruler. Scorpion was one of three kings said to have ruled Egypt before the start of what is called the first dynasty around 3050 B.C.

Dr. Williams said the dating is based on correlations of artistic styles in the Nubian pottery with similar styles in predynastic Egyptian pottery, which is relatively well dated.

He said some of the Nubian artifacts bore disconnected symbols resembling those of Egyptian hieroglyphics that were not readable.

"They were on their way to literacy," Dr. Williams said, "probably quite close to Egypt in this respect."

He said it was not known what the ancient Nubian civilization was called at the time but that he suspected it was Ta-Seti, a name known from Egyptian writings that means "Land of the Bow," referring to the weapon which, apparently, was deemed characteristic of peoples in that part of Africa.

Dr. Williams said there were accounts in later Egyptian writings of the Egyptians attacking Ta-Seti some time around

3000 B.C. This is just about the time, according to the archeological record, when a major cultural transformation began in that part of Nubia. Little is known of what was happening in this region between 3000 B.C. and 2300 B.C. when inhabitants were unquestionably governed by separate chiefdoms.

Their descendents, he suggested, may have developed the Sudanese Kingdom of Kush, based in Kurma, Egyptians for sovereignty and, in fact, prevailed over them for a while.

A detailed monograph on the discoveries is in preparation, but there is no deadline and publication is expected to be a few years away.
Nubian Man and Woman
Timeline of Nubian Royal

History & Map
THE ARTS/ARCHAEOLOGY SEPTEMBER 15, 1997, VOL. 150, NO. 11
THE NILE'S OTHER KINGDOM
NUBIA, NOT EGYPT, MAY HAVE BEEN THE FIRST TRUE AFRICAN CIVILIZATION
BY SCOTT MACLEOD

Excavations in Sudan are revealing that this area, formerly called Nubia, could have been the cradle of African civilization. Teams of archeologists from the US, Europe and Sudan are finding antiquities that show a sophisticated and original culture that could have influenced Egypt.

Archaeologist Timothy Kendall was leading an expedition in northern Sudan earlier this year when one of his diggers came across a slab of intricately carved stone hidden in rubble. Soon after, another slab turned up, and then another, until there were 25 in all, laid out in the sand like an archaeological jigsaw puzzle. Fitted together, the pieces formed a dazzling tableau: golden stars set against an azure sky, with crowned vultures flying off into the distance. Flying where, precisely? Kendall, an associate curator at Boston's Museum of Fine Arts, thinks he knows. And if his hunch is correct, he may be a few tons of rubble away from a major archaeological find.

Kendall's breakthrough, when and if it comes, should be one of many arising from that corner of Africa. Long considered an archaeological after thought by scientists exploring the more famous temples and pyramids of Egypt, just to the north, Sudan is suddenly the hot place to be--and not just because of the equatorial temperatures that register as high as 100[degrees]F even during the prime winter digging season. At least 15 teams from the U.S., Europe and Sudan are sifting through the same sands for secrets of ancient Nubia, the world's first black civilization, which at its height stretched more than 1,000 miles along the Nile River, from what is today the central part of Sudan to the southern reaches of Egypt.

Everything uncovered thus far supports the conviction that has been building among scholars during the past 20 years that the Nubians were not just vassals and trading partners of the Egyptian Pharaohs but also the creators of an ancient and impressive civilization of their own, with a homegrown culture that may have been the most complex and cosmopolitan in all Africa.

That's why Kendall is particularly interested in the jigsaw tableau he has laid out on the sand. The newly discovered blocks, he believes, once made up the vaulted ceiling of a passageway that led to a temple dug into a 300-ft.-high hill known today as

Jebel Barkal. It was there, Kendall thinks, that rulers in the ancient Nubian kingdom of Napata and Meroe, which dated from 900 B.C. to A.D. 350, practiced their coronation rites, climaxing in a crowning by the god Amun.

The passage Kendall discovered was, he believes, closed by an earthquake and rockslide sometime between A.D. 100 and A.D. 200. That's the bad news--and the good news, for the same wall of rubble that separates Kendall from his temple probably kept out treasure hunters as well. Once he manages to bore through a few huge boulders and track the flight of those majestic vultures, he hopes to find that the temple's interior, and whatever treasure it holds, has been preserved intact for 18 centuries.

Such findings, according to Dietrich Wildung, curator of the Egyptian Museum in Berlin, represent "nothing less than the discovery of a new dimension of the ancient world." The sense of breaking new ground, and of taking archaeology in a new direction, has contributed to what Wildung calls "the pioneer spirit in Sudan."

Archaeologists aren't the only ones who are rediscovering Sudan's ancient treasures. One of the greatest exhibitions of Nubian art ever assembled is currently touring France, Germany and the Netherlands. The show, which will continue into next year, features statues, pottery, jewelry and other artifacts that were recovered in excavations dating back to 1842, when Karl Lepsius, a Prussian archaeologist, first surveyed the region known in the Old Testament as Cush, in Greek literature as Aethiopia and by the Romans as Nubia (possibly a corruption of the Egyptian word for gold).

Although the early surveyors reported that Sudan contained more pyramids than did Egypt, the country remained what Wildung calls an archaeological "no-man's-land" until quite recently. The first excavators from Europe found Egypt to be less backward, less remote and less prone to yellow fever, and thus far more pleasant and accessible. Egypt's sites also proved to be so rich that there was little reason to search farther up the Nile.

Another problem, scholars now firmly believe, was racial prejudice, which turned many in the field away from cultures emanating from deeper in Africa. Prominent Egyptologists--including the noted American George Reisner, who worked in Sudan--thought they were excavating the remains of an offshoot of Egyptian culture. "They didn't believe black Africa was capable of producing high civilization," says Kendall.

The latest crop of discoveries is helping put such ideas to rest. French archaeologists, for example, have found exquisite ceramic figurines, bowls and funerary objects at sites that date from at least 8000 B.C. They are as old as any Neolithic sites in Africa and predate prehistoric finds in Egypt by a staggering 3,000 years. This strongly suggests to Hassan Hussein Idris, director of Sudan's National Board for Antiquities and Museums, that ancient Nubia might have been an important source of Egypt's civilization, as well as the other way around.

Not all archaeologists are prepared to go that far. But there is now enough evidence for a scientific consensus that ancient Nubia, beginning in the Stone Age, developed its own distinct civilization--or rather, a series of overlapping civilizations--influenced by Africa, Arabia and the Sahara as well as by Egypt. Moreover, many scholars believe these Nubian kingdoms hold even more clues to the origins of African culture than does Egypt, which, because of its unique position abutting Asia and the Mediterranean, is regarded by many archaeologists as having developed independently from the rest of the continent.

The new perspective owes much to the work of Swiss archaeologist Charles Bonnet, who has spent the past 24 years excavating Kerma, the seat of Africa's greatest empire (outside Egypt) between 2500 B.C. and 1500 B.C. Bonnet acknowledges that he went to Sudan initially to find Egyptian civilization. "But step by step," he confesses, "I came to understand that the Nubian civilizations are really extraordinary. There might be Egyptian influences, but there is a Nubian originality and a Nubian identity."

Two years ago, Bonnet excavated a funerary temple in Kerma that powerfully illustrates Nubia's synthesis of frontier influences. On one interior wall he found Egyptian motifs, including Nile fishing boats, bullfights and an enormous crocodile. Another wall was covered with rows of giraffes and hippopotamuses--African wildlife rarely seen in ancient Egypt.

At Jebel Barkal, Kendall hopes to shed new light on the symbiotic relationship of Nubian and Egyptian civilizations. The first temples there were constructed between 1460 B.C. and 1200 B.C., during the relatively brief period when Egypt ruled Nubia. Kendall believes the Egyptians chose this particular craggy hill for a royal sanctuary because, when seen from a distance, Jebel Barkal's silhouette resembles, even today, a crown adorned with a cobra, which is a symbol of royal power. The Egyptians believed Jebel Barkal to be a prime residence of the god Amun, the bestower of royal authority--a notion that was later taken up by the Nubians. About 730 B.C., when the Nubians rose up and conquered Egypt, establishing what became known as Egypt's 25th dynasty, they drew on the authority granted by Amun at Jebel Barkal to justify their rule over both lands.

Kendall doesn't know what secrets the temple will yield when he finally breaks through the pile of rubble separating him from the interior. Will he find cult goddesses? Jeweled crowns? Kingly scepters? Or perhaps the remains of a priest or two, trapped for 18 centuries by that earthquake? Alas, there will be no answers until the next digging season begins in January. It's still summer in Sudan, and much too hot for archaeology.

Two New York Times Magazine Articles:
Although Sudan had remained the main homeland of Nubians through their long history, many of their descendants is today's Egypt. But still the majority of Nubians of today are Sudanese. With only a population of slightly above 300,000 they are a minority in both countries. Nevertheless being of African descent they resemble other Sudanese people more than Egyptians.

Nubians in both Sudan and Egypt have suffered a lot from intentional overlooking to their history and culture as well as displacement, relocation due to flooding and inundation of their homeland by dams constructed south of Egypt.

In the 1930s a large proportion of the Nubian villages along the Nile were totally submerged. Some Nubians decided to move north into Egypt. The majority, however, chose to stay in their doomed country, and rebuilt their houses on higher ground above the new shoreline.

During this century the Nubian homeland had been inundated three times, however the 1960 Nubian exodus is the most painful to all Nubians. Following the construction of Aswan High Dam in 1960 the land of Nubia between Aswan in Egypt and the

4th cataract in Sudan (main area of Nubians) was the subject of flooding and inundation. Nubians were displaced and relocated in other areas in both Sudan and Egypt. Great Nubian monuments and historical sites were drowned and lost for good. The monuments of Nubia would have ultimately been lost to the depths of the lake had it not been for the joint effort of 50 countries providing financial contributions and expertise in an effort to save the monuments. Wherever feasible, monuments were dismantled or cut from the rock and reassembled at new sites in Egypt and Sudan. Cemeteries and structures that could not be moved . . . were excavated and recorded in as much detail as possible.

The Nubians lost their ancient homeland in the 1960's, but their culture and heritage remain.

The influx of Arabs to Egypt and Sudan had contributed to the suppression of the Nubian identity following the collapse of the last Nubian kingdom in 1900. A major part of the Nubian population were totally arabized or claimed to be arabs (Jaa'leen-the majority of Northern Sudanese- and some Donglawes in Sudan, Kenuz and Koreskos in Egypt). However all Nubians were converted to Islam, and Arabic language became their main media of communication in addition to their indigenous old Nubian language. The unique characteristic of Nubian is shown in their culture (dress, dances, traditions and music) as well as their indigenous language which is the common feature of all Nubians.

Nubian people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nubia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nubia (not to be confused with Nuba a collective term used for the peoples who inhabit the Nuba Mountains, in Kordofan province, Sudan, Africa) is the region in the south of Egypt, along the Nile and in northern Sudan. Most of Nubia is situated in Sudan with about a quarter of its territory in Egypt. In ancient times it was an independent kingdom.

Nubian wedding near Aswan, EgyptIts people spoke at least two varieties of the Nubian language group, a Nilo-Saharan subfamily which includes Nobiin, Kenuzi-Dongola, Midob and several related varieties in the northern part of the Nuba Mountains in South Kordofan. A variety (Birgid) was spoken (at least until 1970) north of Nyala in Darfur but is now extinct. Old Nubian was used in mostly religious texts dating from the 8th and 9th centuries AD and is considered ancestral to modern day Nobiin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramids_of_Nubia

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/9432/nubiapyramids1sd6.jpg

look at these pyramids, from nubia/sudan.

notice the lack of coverage these pyramids get compared to egypt, why?

look at the pyramid, look at the height/postion of the door/window, was there a back entrance/ladder? or is it stargate/fifth element fantasy? maybe in the first time, there was a civilisation in teh artic, with pyramids etc that gave birth to all egyptian/mayan/aztec/vedic/incan/olmec, the zigguarut/pyramid is the key.

[brotherapostate]

That's interesting, I shall give that a read

[synergy777]

http://www.crystalinks.com/nubia.html

this link is awesome. i would love to see these pyramids, they have an eerie vibe, secrets of the past.

[adimon]

lol
I saw them!
(btw if you find some stills, you can see
a lot of them are make-up/airbrushing)

Propaganda?
Doubtful...
Just one person's interpretation of historical events.

I agree on the second point. How can people on this forum use mythological sources to support their views, and then accuse a film dealing with mythology, as propaganda.

The film is not intended to be historical or realistic. There's a huge ogre-type thing that looks like it's got lost on its way back to the LOTR set!

The reason young men would have been coming out of the cinema 'pumped' is because many men enjoy the rush of adrenaline it provides.

Going back to the top of your post, Phoebe, you may be pleased to know that all that muscle is real. Even the extras had to complete the course of training shown here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMp9orjb_RI

I know because my friend Jason created the workout, in partnership with Dorian Yates. I did it for a day and it nearly killed me. I'm used to 100s of pushups a day, but this routine is savage.

[phoebe]

I agree on the second point. How can people on this forum use mythological sources to support their views, and then accuse a film dealing with mythology, as propaganda.

The film is not intended to be historical or realistic. There's a huge ogre-type thing that looks like it's got lost on its way back to the LOTR set!

The reason young men would have been coming out of the cinema 'pumped' is because many men enjoy the rush of adrenaline it provides.

Going back to the top of your post, Phoebe, you may be pleased to know that all that muscle is real. Even the extras had to complete the course of training shown here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMp9orjb_RI

I know because my friend Jason created the workout, in partnership with Dorian Yates. I did it for a day and it nearly killed me. I'm used to 100s of pushups a day, but this routine is savage.

Wow!
I'm soooo glad they didn't cheat with airbrushing.
(Some of the stills I've seen
The abs area look very dodgy.)
Nothing nicer than a nicely honed male torso.
Hmmmmm.
:)
I like to keep fit but that looks gruelling.
Props to you for even trying it.

[woghd]

Whether someone liked or disliked the movie is not my business, but when some of you say it's just an innocent depiction of ones view of history is beyond laughable. Violent movies and inaccurate distortions of history is a form of brainwashing people who take everything at face value.

First thank you everyone for your responses. They are all well thought out. Thanks to you all, especially to those whom sometimes I don't get along with, thanks to you too! Good responses from everyone.

I found this movie very unsettling. I stayed up late thinking about it, and then had wierd dreams involving the movie all night. I found much of the imagry in the movie bizarre, disturbing, and confusing, not to mention the many liberties the movie took with the actual events as I understand they took place.

Thank you again, everyone, for your replies. I've read them all, and they have helped me process a somewhat disturbing experience.

Archangel

[rebel ins]

The reason young men would have been coming out of the cinema 'pumped' is because many men enjoy the rush of adrenaline it provides.

see that's wrong, having rushes of seeing the slaughter, I want to go to war now and blow things up, have more rushes

I disagree with all people saying that it's just from one's perspective (Spartan), it's quite obvious what the movie symbolizes, one side (East) is depicted as demonic, tyrannical, non-democratic (so people automatically draw analogies for today), but the truth is different, not on the opposite side, but in the middle, these civilizations were similar, tolerant and despotic at the same time. It's is wrong to propagate history in such a biased way, so if there's a movie from a Nazi point of view (who also believed that they're defending their country), would that be appropriate