The pentagram

[eternal_spirit]

This five pointed star means so much. Put the word in a search.

[azzx]

So that's why they built the Pentagon as it is.

[eternal_spirit]

Hey Azzx :)


http://images.uulyrics.com/cover/p/pentangle/album-solomons-seal.jpg

Here's a clue for everyone Solomon's original seal.

[eternal_spirit]

Wadda ya know?

[marpat]

This five pointed star means so much. Put the word in a search.

Depends on the context it is being used in. It is the symbol for venus as well as the glyph of the five elements. It can also be related to the physical senses.

I did read recently that the inverted pentagram as a symbol of evil is not an ancient idea at all, being developed by occultists in the past couple of hundred years.

[eternal_spirit]

Hey Azzx :)


http://images.uulyrics.com/cover/p/pentangle/album-solomons-seal.jpg

Here's a clue for everyone Solomon's original seal.
Oops I think it relates to the name of the band (Pentangle)
Although maybe I read something sometime ago stating that Solomon's seal was originally the Pentagram & not the six pointed star (Star of David) wasn't David King Solomons son? As in King David? I think so...

[marpat]

Oops I think it relates to the name of the band (Pentangle)
Although maybe I read something sometime ago stating that Solomon's seal was originally the Pentagram & not the six pointed star (Star of David) wasn't David King Solomons son? As in King David? I think so...

It is supposed to be a pentagram from what I recall

[eternal_spirit]

I did read recently that the inverted pentagram as a symbol of evil is not an ancient idea at all, being developed by occultists in the past couple of hundred years.

It would seem so this wiki article has diverse opinions

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/Pentagram_with_one_point_down_%28de_Guaita%29.jpg/220px-Pentagram_with_one_point_down_%28de_Guaita%29.jpg

A goat's head inscribed in a downward-pointing pentagram, from La Clef de la Magie Noire by the Rosicrucianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Stanislas de Guaita (1897).

Satanism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia use a pentagram with two points up, often inscribed in a double circle, with the head of a goat inside the pentagram. This is referred to as the Sigil of Baphomet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. They use it much the same way as the Pythagoreans, as Tartaros literally translates from Greek as a "Pit" or "Void" in Christian terminology (the word is used as such in the Bible, referring to the place where the Fallen angel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia are fettered). The Pythagorean Greek letters are most often replaced by the Hebrew alphabet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia letters לויתן forming the name Leviathan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Less esoteric LaVeyan Satanism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia use it as a sign of rebellion or religious identification, the three downward points symbolising rejection of the holy Trinity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


When pointing up, the pentagram can represent spirituality's dominance over the material (pentagram) bound inside the laws of the cosmos (circle). The upside-down facing pentagram, meanwhile, represents the physical world ruling over the spiritual, and has therefore been associated with dark magic.

Other sources point to its origin in Chinese five-element philosophy (see Feng shui - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia), as the natural balance between fire, water, earth, wood, and metal. This theory states that the direction it is pointing has nothing to do with good or evil, but rather the upside-down facing circle is for banishing. The circle is again for the concept the power within is bound by, this time for the circle of life

The Neopagan pentagram is generally displayed with one point up, partly because of the "inverted" goat's head pentagram's association with Satanism; however, within traditional forms of Wicca - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia a pentagram with two points up is associated with the Second Degree Initiation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and in this context has no relation to Satanism.[26] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagram#cite_note-Farrars_initiation-25)

Mormonism

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints) began using both upright and inverted five-pointed stars in Temple (Latter Day Saints) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia architecture, dating from the Nauvoo Illinois Temple - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, which was dedicated on April 30th, 1846.[24] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagram#cite_note-23) Other temples decorated with five-pointed stars in both orientations include the Salt Lake Temple - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, and the Logan Temple. These symbols derived from traditional Morning Star pentagrams that are no longer commonly used by other Christian denominations.[25] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagram#cite_note-24)




Aleister Crowley - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia also made use of the pentagram and in his http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thelemic system of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magick_%28Aleister_Crowley%29: an adverse or inverted pentagram represents the descent of spirit into matter, according to the interpretation of Lon Milo DuQuette - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.[31] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagram#cite_note-30) Crowley contradicted his old comrades in the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, who following Levi considered this orientation of the symbol Evil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and associated it with the triumph of matter over spirit.

Pentagram - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[marpat]

Like I said, the inverted pentagram is not really that old yet some people seem to think it has been around forever. I think it stems from the idea of the inverted crucifix being a symbol of evil, then applying this sort of idea to other symbols.

[jraappana]

Cut apple in half, and look, there´s a pentagram also.

[thedefender]

Here is a quick reference from Manly P. Hall's The Secret Teachings of All Ages:

The pentagram is used extensively in black magic, but when so used its form always differs in one of three ways: The star may be broken at one point by not permitting the converging lines to touch; it may be inverted by having one point down and two up; or it may be distorted by having the points of varying lengths. When used in black magic, the pentagram is called the "sign of the cloven hoof," or the footprint of the Devil. The star with two points upward is also called the "Goat of Mendes," because the inverted star is the same shape as a goat's head. When the upright star turns and the upper point falls to the bottom, it signifies the fall of the Morning Star.

[marpat]

Here is a quick reference from Manly P. Hall's The Secret Teachings of All Ages:

But what he states there is nothing old in truth. The goat of mendes is an Egyptian god yet I have never seen the pentagram, as it is known to occultists, being associated with this goat. The closest I have seen in Egyptian art is when they depict stars, either as decoration or heiroglyphs.

[thedefender]

But what he states there is nothing old in truth. The goat of mendes is an Egyptian god yet I have never seen the pentagram, as it is known to occultists, being associated with this goat. The closest I have seen in Egyptian art is when they depict stars, either as decoration or heiroglyphs.

It certainly wasn't a decoration.

Mendes is a Greek word for the Ancient Egyptian city of Djedet. In Djedet one of the sacred gods was the Ram called the Ba; a soul of Osiris.

[thedefender]

E. Valentia Straiton, The Celestial Ship of the North

The sign Capricorn was called Makara, loosely translated crocodile, which is of the greatest significance as a spiritual mystery. It begins with the most sacred of all letters, M, and has the meaning of crocodile, because of its connection with water and earth. Many names were given to this sign to convey that it represented a nondescript, amphibious animal. Makaram stands for both the Microcosm, a little world, a man, and the Macrocosm, the great universe, of which man is a copy, and is connected with the birth of the spiritual and the death or dissolution of the physical universe. In the evolution of words it represented the fifth group. A great mystery is connected with the nuber five, It is symbolized by the Pentagon, the five-pointed star, a symbol of man, and in both India and Egypt the pentagon was connected with the order of the Dhyans, who were gods or co-workers with nature, who bore relation to the crocodile and made their home in Capricorn. This star, with the two horns or points turned heavenward, was used in ceremonial magic and sorcery and has been considered by occultists to be a star of the "Left Hand." Esoterically it is a symbol of a Kali-Yuga. Yuga has the meaning of a yoke, yoking, human generation in an age of the world. A Kali-Yuga represents a cycle of 432,000 years. Among lesser yugas there is an astronomical on of five years. The Hindus date their Kali-Yuga from a great periodical conjunction of the planets thirty-one centuries B.C.

The author S.F. Dunlap states in Vestiges of the Spirit-History of Man:

In Asia-Minor, his goddess bore his name, in the feminine Amma (Ama), Ma, the Moon; Ammia, Amaia, and Maia, the Earth, Ma the Egyptian goddess of truth.

Madame H.P. Blavatsky, The Secret Doctine

The word Makara, says the author of "The Twelve Signs of the Zodiac," contain within itself the clue to its correct interpretation. "The letter Ma is equivalent to the number 5, and Kara means hand. Now in Sanskrit Tribhujam means a triangle, bhujam or Karam (both synonyms) being understood to mean a side. So Makaram or Panchakaram means a Pentagon" - the five pointed star or pentagon represents the five limbs of man.

The Pentagram, or Pentagon is a symbol of Man. The Microcosm or the minature Macrocosm. The five limbs of man are the two arms, two legs, and the head. The head (considered the rational) operates the four (irrational) limbs. The one rational (head) operates the irrational (arms and legs). As the points of the Pentagram correspond to particular elements, so do the limbs of man. His legs correspond the earthly elements of both earth and water, while the arms correspond to the elements of air and fire.

[eternal_spirit]

Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase and Fable-
"The stars were said by the old astrologers to have an almost omnipotent influence on the lives and destinies of man and to this belief is due a number of phrases as: Bless my stars ; You may thank your lucky stars ; star-crossed (not favoured by the stars, unfortunate) ; to be born under an unlucky star, etc.


Falling stars are also regarded as significant in
astrology:

Go and catch a falling star,
Get with child a mandrake root,
Tell me where all past years are,
Or who cleft the devil's foot
John Donne (1572-1631)

Catch a falling star and put it in your pocket
Save it for a rainy day
Words and Music by Lee Pockriss and Paul Vance
Perry Como original single recording 1957

http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/21124

[astrochicken]

..and WHY the pentragram?


The planet Venus orbits the sun just over 13 times for every 8 orbits of the Earth.

http://nikolasschiller.com/images/venus_animated_pentagram.gif


You'll find most of, if not all, the answers up there.

It's all energy and vibration, hence the occult fascination with specific dates/shapes/numbers/constellations.
View some Cymatics videos on youtube (prof dr hans jenny) for the direct link between form and vibration.


A book worth reading is Johannes Keppler's "Harmonices Mundi" (eng. Harmony of the spheres), published in 1619, this man, a german btw., predicted then unkown planets and their orbits based on vibrations, cymatics, platonic solids and euclidian geometry.. he was centuries ahead of his time. This was multi-dimensional tetrahedron encapsulated spheres stuff and all that back in the middle ages.

While you're at it.. bone up on Bernhard Riemann's work on differential geometry from the 1850's (another german by the way)

Icke and *his* moon anyone?

Moebius Transformations Revealed - YouTube




Am deutschen Wesen soll die Welt genesen.

[eternal_spirit]

A book worth reading is Johannes Keppler's "Harmonices Mundi" (eng. Harmony of the spheres), published in 1619, this man, a german btw., predicted then unkown planets and their orbits based on vibrations, cymatics, platonic solids and euclidian geometry.. he was centuries ahead of his time. This was multi-dimensional tetrahedron encapsulated spheres stuff and all that back in the middle ages.

While you're at it.. bone up on Bernhard Riemann's work on differential geometry from the 1850's (another german by the way)

Icke and *his* moon anyone?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX3VmDgiFnY



Am deutschen Wesen soll die Welt genesen.
That's mind blowing stuff. Thanks for the info.

[likespiders]

the 5 pointed star upright, i thought was always good.

the pentagram on a floor in a ritual is meant to protect the innocent one standing inside not to target them.

i thought the 5 rayed star was a visual "Amen"

Saussaure wrote the relationship between the signifier and signified is random.
anything after that is an onomatapeic sp? echo of meaning.

In India many great people use the swastika of course, not as a symbol of the Nazi party but out of joy.

right meaning correct
right meaning opposite

are different meanings that are not bound by logic, just use.

anyone that states the use of a symbol as proof of something
isn't being logical.

[spyroid]

Apologies for possibly trivialising the thread, but there was a very blatant red pentagram in the latest ep of dr who that I watched last night. Lord knows why, but they definitely wanted you to see it yet it seemed a pretty random thing to throw into the context of the ep. If you watch it, you can't miss it.

[godgoo]

Hey Azzx :)


http://images.uulyrics.com/cover/p/pentangle/album-solomons-seal.jpg

Here's a clue for everyone Solomon's original seal.

5-points

http://www.recmath.com/Magic%20Squares/Image_Str/S5_w_a.gif

You got 5 you got 10. It's zombers!

[godgoo]

The higher you climb the more you chew.

[eternal_spirit]

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTjKWNeRuKCwqrno6jee6pgYaDSchu-yBjJ4rrYPrVKOxEFAGCg

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRBCKpISY8Y0FRqQjpBDhnOIw-FkuzwHfa0zKgkOa6GLBvb3_kS

Explain the difference?
Why the top one interlocks at a different angle to the flat looking one. If you see what I'm saying..

[oilydoyley]

..and WHY the pentragram?


The planet Venus orbits the sun just over 13 times for every 8 orbits of the Earth.

http://nikolasschiller.com/images/venus_animated_pentagram.gif


You'll find most of, if not all, the answers up there.

It's all energy and vibration, hence the occult fascination with specific dates/shapes/numbers/constellations.
View some Cymatics videos on youtube (prof dr hans jenny) for the direct link between form and vibration.


A book worth reading is Johannes Keppler's "Harmonices Mundi" (eng. Harmony of the spheres), published in 1619, this man, a german btw., predicted then unkown planets and their orbits based on vibrations, cymatics, platonic solids and euclidian geometry.. he was centuries ahead of his time. This was multi-dimensional tetrahedron encapsulated spheres stuff and all that back in the middle ages.

While you're at it.. bone up on Bernhard Riemann's work on differential geometry from the 1850's (another german by the way)

Icke and *his* moon anyone?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX3VmDgiFnY




Am deutschen Wesen soll die Welt genesen.



the orbit of Venis is nearly a pentagram it doesn't quite reach one side hence the Broken pentagram in Washington.

[thedefender]

the orbit of Venis is nearly a pentagram it doesn't quite reach one side hence the Broken pentagram in Washington.

Manly P Hall stated in his book The Secret Teachings of All Ages, that a pentagram may be formed using three methods. One of which was a pentagram where not all points are connected. This broken pentagram is a symbol as well. He states the it is "the sign of the clooven hoof," or otherwise known as "the footprint of the Devil."

[eternal_spirit]

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTjKWNeRuKCwqrno6jee6pgYaDSchu-yBjJ4rrYPrVKOxEFAGCg

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRBCKpISY8Y0FRqQjpBDhnOIw-FkuzwHfa0zKgkOa6GLBvb3_kS

Explain the difference?
Why the top one interlocks at a different angle to the flat looking one. If you see what I'm saying..
:confused:

[eternal_spirit]

:confused:

[eternal_spirit]

Still wanting to know...

[dreamweaver]

Cut apple in half, and look, there´s a pentagram also.

But did a talking snake tell you to eat it?

[jraappana]

But did a talking snake tell you to eat it?

I read first "stalking snake".

That reminds me about this cartoon bible I borrowed, but never read it tho. The snake was a reptile-kind of creature. It was very stylish, nothing like these badly drawn animated bibles.

I have never read bible. Tho I´m very interested in studying it, and black bible also. Connecting the dots.

Oh, I found it: The Lion Graphic Bible by Max Maddox & Jeff Anderson

[jraappana]

Cymatics on water droplet (sound vibration).

SACRED GEOMETRY PART 134 WATER VIBRATION

SACRED GEOMETRY PART 134 WATER VIBRATION - YouTube

Pentagram forming at 6:45

[porridge]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVOzoxdum6U&playnext=1&list=PLA70E667D3DD5FDC1

[sylph]

..and WHY the pentragram?


The planet Venus orbits the sun just over 13 times for every 8 orbits of the Earth.

http://nikolasschiller.com/images/venus_animated_pentagram.gif


You'll find most of, if not all, the answers up there.

It's all energy and vibration, hence the occult fascination with specific dates/shapes/numbers/constellations.
View some Cymatics videos on youtube (prof dr hans jenny) for the direct link between form and vibration.


A book worth reading is Johannes Keppler's "Harmonices Mundi" (eng. Harmony of the spheres), published in 1619, this man, a german btw., predicted then unkown planets and their orbits based on vibrations, cymatics, platonic solids and euclidian geometry.. he was centuries ahead of his time. This was multi-dimensional tetrahedron encapsulated spheres stuff and all that back in the middle ages.

While you're at it.. bone up on Bernhard Riemann's work on differential geometry from the 1850's (another german by the way)

Icke and *his* moon anyone?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX3VmDgiFnY




Am deutschen Wesen soll die Welt genesen.


Okay being artistic not scientific can you please layman term it for me...:)

So does this mean that everything is sphere shaped? Even atoms?
And does that back up the holographic world theory?

And do the planets really follow a pentagram pattern - I've never heard of that - is this for real?...:eek:

Back to the pentagram though - I researched it in detail about 6 years ago and found it to be a symbol of protection originally.

Any symbol can be used for good or evil, the pentagram upside down is most commonly used in satanic rituals as it resembles a pair of horns which everyone associates with the devil.

The reason I researched was strange.
A week before the birth of my first child the baby had an NDE and I saw an Angel that told me we were protected as a family unit - this took the baby out of distress and everything was ok then.

A week before the birth of my second child (4 years later) and I had a bruise appear on my left thigh,100 per cent certainty I hadn't banged myself on anything though as I was heavily pregnant so not moving about much.

I have the photo somewhere, I posted it about trying to find the meaning.

It was a perfect pentacle - a 5 pointed star with a circle around it.
It got more and more pronounced until it was perfect.

The midwives joked that I was having the antichrist so I looked it up.
This is when I found it was a symbol of protection.

And the girl is such an Angel so no worries there....:D

I bought an Angel pendant for my boy and a pentacle for my girl - symbols of protection.

I'm not into witchcraft or anything bad, just talk to Angels .
Both kids spoke of the place they came from (heavenly place) and how they knew each other before.
No bad stuff there either.

Believe what you will but I don't believe in coincidences - even if you could prove the NDE was a hallucination or that the bruise was a reaction to something - it's still a message that helped me calm down and prepare for the births - so to me it has a good meaning.

And including our dog there's 5 of us in our family now - the 5 points on the star maybe? Protected as a family unit.

It also fits in with what a lot of people say - that the illuminati are trying to disolve the family unit - and that it is important not to let that happen.

I believe also that if we take their symbols and turn them to the good side they will lose momentum.
They have been doing this to us for years - look at the pentagram and butterflies, swastika etc...they were our symbols of good until they started using them.


Let's fight back and put the pentagram star the right way up....:)