Student tasered for asking John Kerry about skulls

[teslafire]

http://video.nbc6.net/player/?id=157250

My dear god...

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Cordial Felicitations:

As always: 'The nail that sticks up, gets hammered down'.

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[gonzo power]

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

[herebynightfall]

did john kerry say, let me answer his question ??

too bad the cops didnt stop.

maybe they were undercover feds.. waiting for that kinda thing to happen.

thats only my skeptical mind speaking though.

[limelady]

That makes me feel sick.

The NWO in action!

[uchiha]

lol. POLICE STATE anyone

Look at what these clowns are saying
"Stop resisting" "Stop Resisting"

yes.. Dont resist. allow the oppression allow these security officers to trample on your rights infront of an auditorium of so called students seeking higher learning and a man who could of ran your country.

I sincerely hope this kid gets more media coverage and files a class action lawsuit vs the security officers and the school because i would of

[mynameis]

And no soul resisted against the police's fascism.

UF Student tasered at John Kerry Speech - YouTube

[montag]

And no soul resisted against the police's fascism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqAVvlyVbag
Thats what I thought, there was only three or four cops and a hundred or so of them but instead they all stood around like good sheep..

[limelady]

Thats what I thought, there was only three or four cops and a hundred or so of them but instead they all stood around like good sheep..

US citizens have been carefully and systematically programmed with FEAR

[_invisibleplane_]

that is utterly disgusting and pathetic...this is the bs we are up against

[scar]

wow. I can't even conjure anything up. this makes me so mad.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Cordial Felicitations:

Limelady, you aint whistlin' Dixie. This is a very Heavy Handed Nation. I conduct myself so that I may NEVER become a 'Guest' of the State.

The thing is: With the knowledge that the presidential race was between two 'bonesmen', I honestly thought the sheeple would awaken, well, colour me a cockeyed optimist.

The average american enjoys a level of comfort only dreamed about by Royalty only a few generations past. The average american is very reluctant to step outside their 'comfort zone'.

This is a vivid example of: Excessive use of Police Force. Several of the police officers were of stature and girth larger than the uni student. They could have easily handcuffed him without any difficulty. The use of the Taser gun was malicious, very Carnal.

Those of us who are aware, realise the 'System' from top to bottom is stacked against us.Even when you are right, you are wrong if they say so.

What is the first thing america does when they initiate conflict against other peoples? They turn off the water, sewage and electricity. They know the value of 'comfort'.

As I have posted before, the USA is not what many people think it is.

'Be wise as a Serpant, and gentle as a Dove'

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[matrixcutter]

The people who whooped when he was initially taken away ought to be tasered, in the eyes.

Tim Russert didn't get tasered (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=565303415465581655&q=skull+and+bones+russert&total=5&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2).

[freedomnonfighter]

oh my fucking god.
This is OUTRAGEOUS

I've seen people tasered in person several times, but this made me instantly cry.

ugggggh I just had to go outside and smoke several cigarettes.

I know a couple people who go to UF, and apparently this is just excitement up there.

FUCK COLLEGES. Fucking government brainwashing centres. High School times 10.

Everyone in that crowd who did not get up and defend this man is an absolute coward. I would have gotten up and started assaulting those officers. They have no real authority, and I don't care what the consequences would be. Speak up and defend those who do the same is the way I see it.

And I am not a violent person at all, but I will defend.

UGGH So many people are SO desensitized and conditioned into complete apathy and fear.

Unbelievable.

GET UP, STAND UP, STAND UP FOR YOUR RIGHT

[sean~infinte]

All you need is LOVE..dum dum dumedy dum all you need is love, love LOVE IS ALL U NEED

the more people see this shite the more they (masses) will see the truth and the more reality will crash down on there box of reality
i feel empathy for the person but i choose not to be angry and feed the matrix/elite

thats the prob freedomnonfighter is that the people who just watched need to gain strength and not fear wat other people would think of em for defending an injustice wat they do not realise is that the power is not with the one holding the taser but the ones letting IT HAPPEN (giving there power way to them)

[freedomnonfighter]

.
All you need is LOVE..dum dum dumedy dum all you need is love, love LOVE IS ALL U NEED

the more people see this shite the more they (masses) will see the truth and the more reality will crash down on there box of reality
i feel empathy for the person but i choose not to be angry and feed the matrix/elite

ahh... *calms down. All we need sometimes are reminders :) not that I wouldn't react in that situation though, I would for two reasons:
-to help the soul that is being attacked for expressing itself, especially when the Truth is involved, like it was
-to show other people to let go of their fear and swallow their pride, and unite and stand up for our rights to Freedom

thats the prob freedomnonfighter is that the people who just watched need to gain strength and not fear wat other people would think of em for defending an injustice wat they do not realise is that the power is not with the one holding the taser but the ones letting IT HAPPEN (giving there power way to them)

Exactly. It's like their feet are just instantly stuck to the ground and their mind shut off as soon as anything like this happens. They don't move an inch physically, let alone spiritually/mentally.

[limelady]

This video just shows you what sheeple these people have become when they all just sit round and watched while an innocent man (a fellow human) is tortured by a punch of power-crazed thugs wearing uniforms.

Those people have quite obviously forgotten that the surge of adrenaline one gets when one witnesses such horrors, is also known as righteous outrage, and is meant to be put to good use to defend the innocent. Instead, these folk experienced the adrenal rush as fear, so they sat there like spiritual cowards and allowed this to happen. Well, not all of them...the more sadistic amongst them actually laughed! :eek:

This is simply not good enough IMO....What next? Would they have sat there and watched a child being molested if somebody in a uniform sporting a badge and a taser was doing it? Would some of them have whooped and laughed at that? Where is this line going to be drawn next?

:cool:

[friendsinthesky]

This is simply not good enough IMO....What next? Would they have sat there and watched a child being molested if somebody in a uniform sporting a badge and a taser was doing it? Would some of them have whooped and laughed at that? Where is this line going to be drawn next?:cool:

Good point!! Let's hope the answer is the correct one.

[william_mac]

You know, I see videos like this and I can definitely see the wrongdoing. However, at the same time, I can't help but notice the stupidity of the kid. A lot of the videos i see, these people just handle the situation without class or tact. They start off yelling as if they're already victimized (which they may be, but that certainly doesn't turn deaf ears on), and then when the police illegally come to arrest them, such as the kid in this video, they start resisting and yelling like fucking pussies. "help! help! oh my god, help! Why are you arresting me! AAAHHHHH".

You can't chase somebody who doesn't run, and it's always better to be the better man. If that kid had just shut up and quietly said something to the effect of "ladies and gentlemen, it looks as if I am being arrested for a simple question. I hope you all see the first hand the malovent and despotic nature that America's free-speech has now been degraded to." After something calm and cordial like that was spoken, then the kid would simply walk out with the police, and if it were me, I'd crack a few jokes with the police.

When a person is calm, collected, and serene, then when a situation like that arises and that person is arrested even though remaining calm and cooperative, then there can be no one in hell who could possibly find some reason as to dispute the fact that he was wrongly arrested. This will spark outrage among the people and viewers.

Yet, in a situation like this, people can say he was "yelling"; "harrasing"; "resisting police"; "fleeing police"; and on and on.

Quite honestly, even though this was obviously an act of tyranny on behalf of the police and a blatant example of how far we've fallen into despotism in America, that kid handled the situation like an idiot, sqweeled like a stuck pig, and ran from the police... effectively making a fool out of himself and the movement of truth.



-William
www.William-Mac.com

[freedomnonfighter]

Oh, well I hope he (who is apparently an idiot?) can apologize to you for "squeeling like a pig" and not having the best interests of Political Correctness in his mind while he is being assaulted, tazed, and wronged... let alone arrested.

If you ask me, he was crying for help... not just "squeeling" "like an idiot"
And of course, nobody was there to help.

Imagine the scene if people in that room actually reacting with HIS interests in mind...

I think the way he 'handled' the situation actually helped show the fascism more than "..oh well.. don't mind me, this is quietly happening.. walking out of the room now.. cya.."

He shook the whole room up. If he hadn't, Kerry would have cracked a joke, and lured all the braindead idiots right back into his pathetic ramblings. Instead, I imagine it was very hard for everyone in that room to immediately get past that incident. And so they think about it more.

[majicdragon]

You know, I see videos like this and I can definitely see the wrongdoing. However, at the same time, I can't help but notice the stupidity of the kid. A lot of the videos i see, these people just handle the situation without class or tact. They start off yelling as if they're already victimized (which they may be, but that certainly doesn't turn deaf ears on), and then when the police illegally come to arrest them, such as the kid in this video, they start resisting and yelling like fucking pussies. "help! help! oh my god, help! Why are you arresting me! AAAHHHHH".

You can't chase somebody who doesn't run, and it's always better to be the better man. If that kid had just shut up and quietly said something to the effect of "ladies and gentlemen, it looks as if I am being arrested for a simple question. I hope you all see the first hand the malovent and despotic nature that America's free-speech has now been degraded to." After something calm and cordial like that was spoken, then the kid would simply walk out with the police, and if it were me, I'd crack a few jokes with the police.

When a person is calm, collected, and serene, then when a situation like that arises and that person is arrested even though remaining calm and cooperative, then there can be no one in hell who could possibly find some reason as to dispute the fact that he was wrongly arrested. This will spark outrage among the people and viewers.

Yet, in a situation like this, people can say he was "yelling"; "harrasing"; "resisting police"; "fleeing police"; and on and on.

Quite honestly, even though this was obviously an act of tyranny on behalf of the police and a blatant example of how far we've fallen into despotism in America, that kid handled the situation like an idiot, sqweeled like a stuck pig, and ran from the police... effectively making a fool out of himself and the movement of truth.



-William
www.William-Mac.com


This kid wasnt doing anything accept bringing up SKULL AND BONES and in watching to see how it's spun here. I'm makeing a list... but dont worry William mac, I'm checking it twice.

Better not be naughty you better be nice

Im recording this audio now into audacity and I'm gonna pull out some backwards on it.

[william_mac]

Oh, well I hope he (who is apparently an idiot?) can apologize to you for "squeeling like a pig" and not having the best interests of Political Correctness in his mind while he is being assaulted, tazed, and wronged... let alone arrested.

If you ask me, he was crying for help... not just "squeeling" "like an idiot"
And of course, nobody was there to help.

Imagine the scene if people in that room actually reacting with HIS interests in mind...

I think the way he 'handled' the situation actually helped show the fascism more than "..oh well.. don't mind me, this is quietly happening.. walking out of the room now.. cya.."

He shook the whole room up. If he hadn't, Kerry would have cracked a joke, and lured all the braindead idiots right back into his pathetic ramblings. Instead, I imagine it was very hard for everyone in that room to immediately get past that incident. And so they think about it more.

He acted like a goddamned idiot. OK? That's the end of it. He was not eloquent, he was combative from the start, he resisted the police. If he had spoken in a tactful and controlled manner versing his questions and comments articulately then nothing would have happened. If he HAD been detained at that point in time, he should have simply remained peaceful in order to show that he was not resisting, and was being arrested wrongly. Now he has all sorts of legitimate charges on him, he DID flee police, he DID fight back, he DID not cooperate.

Have we forgotten how so many changes were brought about? The most effective of which were not due to war, but due to peaceful protest? Come on. This kid does not have my respect.

He basically just gave a bad name to everything. It's one thing to protest, but if we're ever going to have the mainstream listen to us, then we're going to have to sit down with the "sinners" so to speak and be one of them and speak as they speak and walk as they walk. You have to have CLASS you have to have TACT. This kid lacked all of that, and I honestly would never associate myself with such a blatant dumbass.



-William
www.William-Mac.com

[limelady]

The kid was running on adrenaline at the time. It obviously took a lot
of courage for him to stand up and ask those questions of Kerry (not
everyone can do this), and he had got himself pumped up for the
occasion. The squealing was a reaction......he'd possibly been worried
how he would be received, and when he saw the police coming his way
I could sense he was panicking.

I thought he was brave, and I forgive him the way he reacted. He was
NOT doing anything wrong and he was making that known to those present
(who seemed unconcerned) in the hope enough of them had the balls to
jump to his aid.

Something he SHOULD (IMO) have been able to rely on had those people not
lost their humanity to fear.

[fantana]

http://video.nbc6.net/player/?id=157250

My dear god...

Great find

Vote for me http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9818

[william_mac]

The kid was running on adrenaline at the time. It obviously took a lot
of courage for him to stand up and ask those questions of Kerry (not
everyone can do this), and he had got himself pumped up for the
occasion. The squealing was a reaction......he'd possibly been worried
how he would be received, and when he saw the police coming his way
I could sense he was panicking.

I thought he was brave, and I forgive him the way he reacted. He was
NOT doing anything wrong and he was making that known to those present
(who seemed unconcerned) in the hope enough of them had the balls to
jump to his aid.

Something he SHOULD (IMO) have been able to rely on had those people not
lost their humanity to fear.

I believe that what happened was an overreaction on both people's part (the police and the kid). However, so often times in these situations someone (such as the kid in this video) will begin by raising his voice and begin by voicing his discontent towards the person on stage. Some people may think this necessary, but it's not. As the saying goes "you attract more flies with honey than with vinager".


A good example of what TO do would be Michael Ruppert's public combatance of CIA director Deustch (sp?) in the late 1990s. He stood up, he respectfully voiced his disdain and his opinion, and when the room erupted around him he kept his calm, remained respectful, and let the directors squirm under the heat. That clip has become infamous and is embedded and shared and distributed often.

This kid, however, got up and began acting stupid from the beginning. He could have become somewhat of a martyr and great example of the truth movement had he not ran away from the police like a scared cat. He should have simply let the fucking police arrest him to show everyone around him that he was indeed not resisting and was being arrested for a question. That would have done more harm to the police, and would have gotten more students upset than the whole insane outbreak he flew into.

If someone is going to get up and ask a question like that, then they better be fucking prepared. This kid was shaky from the start, and then acted stupidly. By all means, the kid would not have been tazered and would not have gone to jail had he just cooperated. He was actually only being detained NOT ARRESTED. He would have been taken outside, been giving a "talking to" and then he could have later that day written something about the experience or sought indictments against the department.

Wisdom is what needs to be adhered to in these situations. Ya dig? Wisdom. It seems to be lacking in many people these days, especially the controversy hungry "truth warriors". Our goal here is not to seek out controversy, it is to make change and enlighten people. To quote another saying "preach, and when necessary.... use words".



-William
www.William-Mac.com

[freedomnonfighter]

He acted like a goddamned idiot. OK? That's the end of it. He was not eloquent, he was combative from the start, he resisted the police. If he had spoken in a tactful and controlled manner versing his questions and comments articulately then nothing would have happened. If he HAD been detained at that point in time, he should have simply remained peaceful in order to show that he was not resisting, and was being arrested wrongly. Now he has all sorts of legitimate charges on him, he DID flee police, he DID fight back, he DID not cooperate.

Have we forgotten how so many changes were brought about? The most effective of which were not due to war, but due to peaceful protest? Come on. This kid does not have my respect.

He basically just gave a bad name to everything. It's one thing to protest, but if we're ever going to have the mainstream listen to us, then we're going to have to sit down with the "sinners" so to speak and be one of them and speak as they speak and walk as they walk. You have to have CLASS you have to have TACT. This kid lacked all of that, and I honestly would never associate myself with such a blatant dumbass.



-William
www.William-Mac.com

"He acted like a goddamned idiot. OK? That's the end of it."

Oh, sorry, guess that's up to you to decide. Alrighty then.

"Now he has all sorts of legitimate charges on him, he DID flee police, he DID fight back, he DID not cooperate."

And what reason does he have to cooperate, exactly? Other than getting said "legitimate" charges charged against him illigitimately... FOR NO REASON. The officers [of fictional laws] acted against his free speech and against his free will, and thus are the real criminals in this instance. I don't recall them even telling him (while he's being arrested and escorted away) WHY he is being arrested. I don't think that occurred till AFTER the incident. When such a question as "Officer what did I do?" should be answered immediately, in fact I think it's against the law to not tell them what he is being charged with.

If you ask me, this is a form of entrapment. The officers of assumed authority violated his rights as a free human being, and by doing so INCITED him to act the way he did. He should simply be charged for Reacting To Bullshit.

So really, they are the ones who were "inciting a riot" - not him. They incited a riot FROM him.

He was simply asking questions (the questions he had required a brief intro which he sped right through). He made very good points, and didn't offend the speaker at all. Which I see "infowarriors" doing much more often. Pretty much as soon as Skull & Bones was mentioned, the cops followed their orders of Supression and Silencing.

So basically, to meet your requirements for Respect, one has to act like a total pussy with their tails between their legs when they are being screwed over?

[i am all i am]

I LOVE YOU.

G'day William Mac.

You, of all people here, have acted by losing there temper, and this is merely on a forum, not with a lot of other people standing and sitting around doing nothing as your individual rights are being violated. So how you can declare that you would have acted in a calm manner is pure fantasy.

I have been in a similar situation as this person, having been arrested for assualt police and resisit arrest, when I did neither of these things, while around 500 people in a Westfields shopping centre stood around watching and did absolutely nothing about the situation, not even to ask a simple question. It was thrown out of court by the way.

Having been in the police force for two years (ages 19 to 21), I can say that I know both sides of what has transpired here. The police that first touched this person had committed the crime of assualt (common law assault) and then continued to assualt him further (assualt causing bodily harm). Whatever happens after the first assualt, this person had the right to defend themselves physically, which they didn't do, and merely questioned what was transpiring.

You appear to be more concerned with how you are perceived by the public than with what has taken place with this person being assualted. To label a person a "dumbass" for approaching this issue in the manner as they have done so, has only belittled yourself.

If you would like to discuss the legalities, please feel free to inquire and I will explain how you have absolutely no understanding of the law if what you have written is to go by.

When you speak out, I sincerely hope that there is someone with the courage of this person nearby so that you will not go undefended as this person has.

THANK YOU.



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[lizzy]

I am a Brit whi lives in Seattle. I don't like it but I stay for my kids.......take a look at a real Pig in action.
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/september2007/100907Motorist.htm
ThankU.

[william_mac]

"He acted like a goddamned idiot. OK? That's the end of it."

Oh, sorry, guess that's up to you to decide. Alrighty then.

"Now he has all sorts of legitimate charges on him, he DID flee police, he DID fight back, he DID not cooperate."

And what reason does he have to cooperate, exactly? Other than getting said "legitimate" charges charged against him illigitimately... FOR NO REASON. The officers [of fictional laws] acted against his free speech and against his free will, and thus are the real criminals in this instance. I don't recall them even telling him (while he's being arrested and escorted away) WHY he is being arrested. I don't think that occurred till AFTER the incident. When such a question as "Officer what did I do?" should be answered immediately, in fact I think it's against the law to not tell them what he is being charged with.

If you ask me, this is a form of entrapment. The officers of assumed authority violated his rights as a free human being, and by doing so INCITED him to act the way he did. He should simply be charged for Reacting To Bullshit.

So really, they are the ones who were "inciting a riot" - not him. They incited a riot FROM him.

He was simply asking questions (the questions he had required a brief intro which he sped right through). He made very good points, and didn't offend the speaker at all. Which I see "infowarriors" doing much more often. Pretty much as soon as Skull & Bones was mentioned, the cops followed their orders of Supression and Silencing.

So basically, to meet your requirements for Respect, one has to act like a total pussy with their tails between their legs when they are being screwed over?

Screaming like a baby brat "officer what did I do" is no way to actually yield an answer.

Look, I'm a paid journalist, I stand up for the "truth movement" if I can so label it, and I put myself in that position more times than he ever has. I've been arrested, I've been in jail, I've had countless run-ins with police. I know Florida cops, because I live in Georgia... they're worse here and in Florida. I know.

The fact is, if you're going to play the game, then you sure as hell better have a silver tongue, some class, some savvy, and some wit. This kid had none of that. I don't think he could ever make a good journalist either.

To get what you want, and to get the answers you want out of a person on stage, then you fucking TRAP them with your words and with a mind game. You get them to the point to where they are stuttering. You outclass them and make them look like the dumbasses they are. And, if you happen to be unlawfully detained and/or arrested, then you outclass the police just the same.

It's called "thinking", and it's called being "smart". This kid was just a dissapointment. I bet he's never even seen a shred of what goes on in the real world. That sure as hell isn't police brutality as far as I'm concerned. I've seen people endure far worse and maintain their dignity. This sweater clad suburbanite beach bum just pissed his pants for the whole world to see and gave up his dignity like a literal jackass.

There are ways to get answers and get responses and get support and expose these atrocities, but as I said, it involves grace, cunning, wit, thought, wisdom, and the proverbial silver tongue.

Just try for a moment to look at it from my point of view, and not just your initial inbred reaction. I for one was apalled at first, before I began thinking on both sides of the situation, and I came to the conclusion that the student was more to blame than anyone else despite the bad reaction on behalf of the department.

I think it's very important to always consider both sides of every issue.



-William
www.William-Mac.com

[mynameis]

UF Lacks Freedom of Speech - YouTube

[william_mac]

I LOVE YOU.

G'day William Mac.

You, of all people here, have acted by losing there temper, and this is merely on a forum, not with a lot of other people standing and sitting around doing nothing as your individual rights are being violated. So how you can declare that you would have acted in a calm manner is pure fantasy.

I have been in a similar situation as this person, having been arrested for assualt police and resisit arrest, when I did neither of these things, while around 500 people in a Westfields shopping centre stood around watching and did absolutely nothing about the situation, not even to ask a simple question. It was thrown out of court by the way.

Having been in the police force for two years (ages 19 to 21), I can say that I know both sides of what has transpired here. The police that first touched this person had committed the crime of assualt (common law assault) and then continued to assualt him further (assualt causing bodily harm). Whatever happens after the first assualt, this person had the right to defend themselves physically, which they didn't do, and merely questioned what was transpiring.

You appear to be more concerned with how you are perceived by the public than with what has taken place with this person being assualted. To label a person a "dumbass" for approaching this issue in the manner as they have done so, has only belittled yourself.

If you would like to discuss the legalities, please feel free to inquire and I will explain how you have absolutely no understanding of the law if what you have written is to go by.

When you speak out, I sincerely hope that there is someone with the courage of this person nearby so that you will not go undefended as this person has.

THANK YOU.



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I haven't lost my temper. Perhaps when people are writing quick responses on a forum and all other people can not hear the tone of voice neither the facial expressions of the person writing the response, then everyone may interpret the response differnetly.

I have my opinion, I think the boy acted like an idiot and brought all of this upon himself. People seem to disregard the fact that I said the police reacted wrongly as well, but I won't get into that.

I have the track record. Because I have the track record, because I have the experience, and because I've been in worse positions I can honestly say that I have a damned right to give a solid opinion. I've been in situations infinately more worse than this, and I maintained my cool. In other words, I'm allowed to make these claims because I've been there done that and my hands are clean. It doesn't have anything to do with self-image or argument.

What I do not understand is why the people on this forum, for the most part, are so embedded with alternate ideology just like they perceive others to be embedded with a brainwashed ideology. Yet, I don't give a shit what the unwritten and unstated doctrin is, I think for myself. And after viewing the video, anylizing the content, and seeing the reactions... I came to the conclusion that all could have been avoided if that boy had simply been more classy, instead he acted, yes, like a dumbass.

Pardon me for anylizing evenly both sides and weighing out whom I considered to be at fault. Pardon me for considering that perhaps "the man" is only "the man" because we continue to perpetuate him as "the man".

I'm beginning to believe that I am no longer allowed to opinionize myself on this forum in any other way other than the accepted base belief of nothing is really our fault, but everyone else's. And, if that's the case, then I don't think there is anywhere a true free thinker and anylizer could fit in.

Anyway, that's my last response on this thread.


-William
www.William-Mac.com

[lizzy]

The cops had absolutely no right to attempt to restrict the guys questions to Gore,.. it was "Question Time"......the tasering has got totally out of control here, they are treating people worse than animals in an abitoir, even worse inside the prisions. It all over guys. The NWO has it all sewn up. Everywhere.
He might win his case in court but it won't stop this Evil. They have the prison camps ready here and the box cars with shackles ready to transport.
Just waiting for that last 'false flag" op.

[i am all i am]

I LOVE YOU.

G'day William Mac.

I am writing this in between your writing because I will address this point to point. So.....

THANK YOU.



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Screaming like a baby brat "officer what did I do" is no way to actually yield an answer.

Your attempt at belittling this person is merely a reflection of your state of mind, that is thinking yourself superior to him.

Look, I'm a paid journalist, I stand up for the "truth movement" if I can so label it, and I put myself in that position more times than he ever has.

Because you are a paid journalist does not mean that your are superior to this person.

Also, how can you state with any certainty that you have put yourself in "that position more times than he ever has", when you know nothing of his background ???

Is this the sort of jourmalistic writing that you consider to be factual ???

I've been arrested, I've been in jail, I've had countless run-ins with police. I know Florida cops, because I live in Georgia... they're worse here and in Florida. I know.

And your point here is .... ?????

The fact is, if you're going to play the game, then you sure as hell better have a silver tongue, some class, some savvy, and some wit. This kid had none of that. I don't think he could ever make a good journalist either.

Maybe the whole point of what he did was to NOT play the game. The judgements that you make about this person are merely that, your judgements, which appear to be coming from a superiority complex shown by your decleration here.

Did you stop to consider that he didn't want to be a journalist and was merely expressing his right to free speech ???

To get what you want, and to get the answers you want out of a person on stage, then you fucking TRAP them with your words and with a mind game. You get them to the point to where they are stuttering. You outclass them and make them look like the dumbasses they are. And, if you happen to be unlawfully detained and/or arrested, then you outclass the police just the same.

If you stop to think here, you may realise that he had different goals than what you do and you are merely judging him by your goals and not from what he was looking to achieve.

It's called "thinking", and it's called being "smart".

Which you have not shown by your commentary so far.

This kid was just a dissapointment.

Once again, this is merely your judgement based your your apparent desire of how things should be done.

I bet he's never even seen a shred of what goes on in the real world.

Again, a judgement based upon no observation that you have made.

That sure as hell isn't police brutality as far as I'm concerned.

And that is the point, you are not "concerned" that an individual has had their freedom of speech violated and their physicality assualted.

I've seen people endure far worse and maintain their dignity. This sweater clad suburbanite beach bum just pissed his pants for the whole world to see and gave up his dignity like a literal jackass.

Indviduals that seek power over others first attempt to make the other disbelieve in themselves through personal attacks of character.

Is this the reason that you make personal attacks of character towards someone that isn't even here to defend themselves ???

Do you seek power William Mac ???

The power to tell others what they witnessed on this video footage because you believe that your version of events is superior to everyone elses ???

There are ways to get answers and get responses and get support and expose these atrocities, but as I said, it involves grace, cunning, wit, thought, wisdom, and the proverbial silver tongue.

You are entitled to your opinion in this regard, but that does not mean that everyone else should do it your way. Everyone is entitled to form their own ideas on what and how they would choose to do and say whatever they so desire. Have you heard of a thing called free speech ???

Just try for a moment to look at it from my point of view, and not just your initial inbred reaction. I for one was apalled at first, before I began thinking on both sides of the situation, and I came to the conclusion that the student was more to blame than anyone else despite the bad reaction on behalf of the department.

The casting of blame is a weak argument that those without facts use to justify their position of supposed superiority.

I think it's very important to always consider both sides of every issue.

There are three sides to any debate,
Yours, mine and the correct one mate !!!

-William
www.William-Mac.com

[auron]

:)

[scar]

All fighting aside.

I think it's interesting to point out how the student didn't "conform" and ask a simple little question for Mr Kerry. Because we all know it's a crime to try and inform people about other opinions on heavily debated, not to forget heated topics. So they make a big deal out of a kid trying to spread information right away, you can tell it in the body language of the police and the abrupt responses of Kerry.

I just think it's funny how they'll let you have a "question and answer" session with Mr Almost President, but only under their terms. Don't think about talking for more then 10seconds. I understand they were under heavy time constraints probably, but still, the kid wasn't even talking for that long. C'mon.

The video still makes me mad, no reason to explain, just is an obvious signal of our future. Just a shame so few get it still.

[teslafire]

All you need is LOVE..dum dum dumedy dum all you need is love, love LOVE IS ALL U NEED

I dunno about that.

Anger is definitely necessary as a rousing force. I thought you were being sarcastic when you wrote that lyric, but was saddened to see that it was in earnest.

Those kids should have backed that kid up (and also calmed him down).

Great find

Vote for me http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9818

Earn it.

Let's see you and Brick on youporn, in a non-...

[i am all i am]

I LOVE YOU.

G'day William Mac.

THANK YOU.



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I haven't lost my temper.

And yet I seem to recall you apologising for doing exactly that when you first started posting on this forum.

Perhaps when people are writing quick responses on a forum and all other people can not hear the tone of voice neither the facial expressions of the person writing the response, then everyone may interpret the response differnetly.

I have my opinion, I think the boy acted like an idiot and brought all of this upon himself.

Yes, of course you do. That would perfectly back up yourself in making personal attacks upon his character then wouldn't it !!!

People seem to disregard the fact that I said the police reacted wrongly as well, but I won't get into that.

I have the track record. Because I have the track record, because I have the experience, and because I've been in worse positions I can honestly say that I have a damned right to give a solid opinion. I've been in situations infinately more worse than this, and I maintained my cool. In other words, I'm allowed to make these claims because I've been there done that and my hands are clean. It doesn't have anything to do with self-image or argument.

Everyone has the right to declare whatever thay so desire REGARDLESS of what they have experienced. Remember that thing called free speech ???

"I...I...I...I've...I...I...I've...I...I'm...I've.. .". On ten occasions here you are relating this all to yourself. This is not about you, it is about the violation of a young person by those in authority. Something that your self absorption appears to be missing the point of.

What I do not understand is why the people on this forum, for the most part, are so embedded with alternate ideology just like they perceive others to be embedded with a brainwashed ideology. Yet, I don't give a shit what the unwritten and unstated doctrin is, I think for myself. And after viewing the video, anylizing the content, and seeing the reactions... I came to the conclusion that all could have been avoided if that boy had simply been more classy, instead he acted, yes, like a dumbass.

Once again you merely give an opinion, which you are entitled to do, but it is hardly unbiased as you make it in relationship to what you have been through and not what this person has been through.

Pardon me for anylizing evenly both sides and weighing out whom I considered to be at fault. Pardon me for considering that perhaps "the man" is only "the man" because we continue to perpetuate him as "the man".

"evenly", now that is the crux of the matter here. You have condemned this person for the way in which they have acted based only upon your perspective of what you consider to be how the "game" should be played. That is not a balanced or even way of "weighing out" circumstances.

I'm beginning to believe that I am no longer allowed to opinionize myself on this forum in any other way other than the accepted base belief of nothing is really our fault, but everyone else's. And, if that's the case, then I don't think there is anywhere a true free thinker and anylizer could fit in.

You can believe whatever you so desire to believe, but how do you consider it the fault of one individual in relationship to how others act ???

You blame this one person for the way others are acting. If you step back and look at this, surely someone that has "a silver tongue, some class, some savvy, and some wit", would be able to understand that no one person is responsible for how another reacts in any given situation.

Anyway, that's my last response on this thread.

U-huh, and here I was thinking that you enjoyed discussing things.

Is this your last response because you have not had this all your own way and have had someone question you ???

That seems to be the exact response that this person received when questioning John Kerry. Too many tough questions huh !!!

-William
www.William-Mac.com

[william_mac]

I LOVE YOU.

G'day William Mac.

I am writing this in between your writing because I will address this point to point. So.....

THANK YOU.



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You're the boss, somehow. I'll simply say that it's a dog eat dog world, no matter how cliche the verse. This is a "game" and you have to play it right. If you don't play it right then you get screwed. This boy didn't play it right, and he lost, and he brought further negative scrutiny upon those who would seek to expose underlying truths. Once again, we look like insane nuts according to the general population because of some...well... nut.

I know those Gainseville, Florida types. I know them, and it's even worse when they're a white-shooed college kid wanna be journalist (he said as he got up to ask his question that he was an aspiring journalist...so apparently it's what he wants to do). As Salinger said, "Phooey I say on all of those white shooed college kids, give me an honest conman any day." I'll second that.

There are certain sets of universal rules... or "guidelines" rather. This boy went against all of them and accomplished nothing but incarceration and a soon to be lively debate debunking his actions via Fox News. As a person who has been around and has experienced the nitty gritty and has learned early on how to get things done in a delicate, decisive and yet foreceful manner, I have achieved the ability to point out weakness and stupidity. That kid is the kind of person that wouldn't survive in the ghetto, he is the kind of person that would get mugged and beaten to a pulp in the Favetas of Brazil, he's the kind of kid that would be basically fucked in any "wise guy" environment.

So, perhaps I've been jaded by my experiences. But, in any sense, I've inherently evolved to not respect a person like him who harbors no tact, no class, and no balls.

To consider that boy anything of worth would be a disgrace to the struggle in my opinion. Tupac was younger than him when he stood up with class and grace and tact and aided in changing the world, if only for a short while. There are so many figures I could point out that further illustrate this.

I can't respect a young man who was, in my opinion mind you, not smart enough to handle a good oppurtunity in the right way and get results. It doesn't matter about ME, the fact is that anyone with half a brain can see that there are certain protocols and actions that yield results; understanding these protocols is what makes a good salesman, public speaker, writer, filmmaker, journalist, marketer, and so on with dealing in public relations industries. This boy didn't have what it takes, and he should of realized that. Likewise, he didn't have enough street smarts and hardknock education to be able to understand how to act. That is how you can always tell a sheltered person from a person who has had his ass beat a few times for being a dumbass, and has wised up and developed tactful smarts on how to get a desired reaction.

So, in conclusion, I'm sorry this kid was victimized (which he was), but the fact remains that he handled the situation wrongly and he made a fool of himself, and he allowed the naysayers all the more excuse to look down upon anyone who speaks or asks questions that he did.



-William
www.William-Mac.com

[freedomnonfighter]

I posted this under a bulletin on myspace.

An old high school friend of mine replied.
A reply desperate to control and hold on to his belief system, mind you.

So I typed up a very, very lengthy, polite, detailed response.

Only to find out he deleted me, apparently just for saying that this incident was an act of fascism.

And he doesn't allow non-friend messages. So.. wtf?

Sigh... egos :confused:

[woghd]

This affront should be a WAKE UP CALL to anyone who is a skeptic of NWO theories. Think this isn't a prison planet? This is a prime example of the reality of your status as a human being with rights.

Nobody has rights.
It's another LIE.

Everything you think you know is wrong.

Archangel

[i am all i am]

I LOVE YOU.

G'day William Mac.

Last post on this thread huh...http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/1425/aenahasifpp1.gif

THANK YOU.



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You're the boss, somehow.

Nope, I don't work at all, let alone employ others. Although I am responsible for my own thoughts, actions and words.

I'll simply say that it's a dog eat dog world, no matter how cliche the verse.

That's funny, because you continue to "say" things after having written this. Or is "I'll simply say" merely another "cliche" ???

This is a "game" and you have to play it right. If you don't play it right then you get screwed. This boy didn't play it right, and he lost, and he brought further negative scrutiny upon those who would seek to expose underlying truths. Once again, we look like insane nuts according to the general population because of some...well... nut.

And you know how to "play it right" huh.

Have you ever had any of your jounalistic endeavours reported on Fox news ???

Could it be that this, as you call him, "nut", has upstaged you and gotten more coverage for his way of doing things than you have ever gotten from the way you "play it right" ???

I know those Gainseville, Florida types. I know them, and it's even worse when they're a white-shooed college kid wanna be journalist (he said as he got up to ask his question that he was an aspiring journalist...so apparently it's what he wants to do). As Salinger said, "Phooey I say on all of those white shooed college kids, give me an honest conman any day." I'll second that.

Of course you do, you have met every single one of them and know all of their background from your investigative journalism that you have conducted over the years...http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/1425/aenahasifpp1.gif

There are certain sets of universal rules... or "guidelines" rather. This boy went against all of them and accomplished nothing but incarceration and a soon to be lively debate debunking his actions via Fox News. As a person who has been around and has experienced the nitty gritty and has learned early on how to get things done in a delicate, decisive and yet foreceful manner, I have achieved the ability to point out weakness and stupidity. That kid is the kind of person that wouldn't survive in the ghetto, he is the kind of person that would get mugged and beaten to a pulp in the Favetas of Brazil, he's the kind of kid that would be basically fucked in any "wise guy" environment.

One day I would love to see who you see in the mirror, because it isn't reflected in the posts that you are making here on this thread.

So, perhaps I've been jaded by my experiences. But, in any sense, I've inherently evolved to not respect a person like him who harbors no tact, no class, and no balls.

As opposed to yourself, as you have shown in your posting on this thread, totally tactful, all class and HUGE balls eh !!! http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/1425/aenahasifpp1.gif

To consider that boy anything of worth would be a disgrace to the struggle in my opinion. Tupac was younger than him when he stood up with class and grace and tact and aided in changing the world, if only for a short while. There are so many figures I could point out that further illustrate this.

To devalue another is to devalue yourself. You are showing your superiority complex here again.

I can't respect a young man who was, in my opinion mind you, not smart enough to handle a good oppurtunity in the right way and get results. It doesn't matter about ME, the fact is that anyone with half a brain can see that there are certain protocols and actions that yield results; understanding these protocols is what makes a good salesman, public speaker, writer, filmmaker, journalist, marketer, and so on with dealing in public relations industries. This boy didn't have what it takes, and he should of realized that. Likewise, he didn't have enough street smarts and hardknock education to be able to understand how to act. That is how you can always tell a sheltered person from a person who has had his ass beat a few times for being a dumbass, and has wised up and developed tactful smarts on how to get a desired reaction.

And yet he is on Fox news. Hmmmm, maybe your "half a brain", the left side being the logical half, could work out that he has achieved a lot from what he has done.

Having run a multi-level direct sales company and taught others how to do the same, conducting over two thousand interviews, speaking with over 500,000 people, having others that I have trained running their own business, being the personal 'trouble-shooter' of the person runing the multi-billion dollar company, conducting somewhere around 5,000 plus meeting with between 10 to 120 people in attendance, I believe that I know full well what "makes a good salesman, speaker,...marketer, and so on in dealing with public relations industries.", and so far you have not described it at all.

So, in conclusion, I'm sorry this kid was victimized (which he was), but the fact remains that he handled the situation wrongly and he made a fool of himself, and he allowed the naysayers all the more excuse to look down upon anyone who speaks or asks questions that he did.

Only from your limited perspective can you make this claim and believe that it is justified.

-William
www.William-Mac.com

[freedomnonfighter]

Apparently there is a protest tomorrow at UF.

It's about an hour and a half away, couple friends and I are going.

Will try to get a camera there.

[28th kingdom]

Welcome to the Police State, bitch!

[scar]

Right on man, let us know how it goes.

[28th kingdom]

He acted like a goddamned idiot. OK? That's the end of it. He was not eloquent, he was combative from the start, he resisted the police. If he had spoken in a tactful and controlled manner versing his questions and comments articulately then nothing would have happened. If he HAD been detained at that point in time, he should have simply remained peaceful in order to show that he was not resisting, and was being arrested wrongly. Now he has all sorts of legitimate charges on him, he DID flee police, he DID fight back, he DID not cooperate.

Have we forgotten how so many changes were brought about? The most effective of which were not due to war, but due to peaceful protest? Come on. This kid does not have my respect.

He basically just gave a bad name to everything. It's one thing to protest, but if we're ever going to have the mainstream listen to us, then we're going to have to sit down with the "sinners" so to speak and be one of them and speak as they speak and walk as they walk. You have to have CLASS you have to have TACT. This kid lacked all of that, and I honestly would never associate myself with such a blatant dumbass.



-William
www.William-Mac.com

Who the fvck are you? Are you kidding? You faggot fvcking nazi! Get the fvck outta here... you make me wanna fvcking puke... he deserved to be tasered for resisting a fake arrest? Inciting a riot? HUHUH? The only riot I saw was the police rioting... so I guess they were right... he did incite a riot... the riot for the police to kick his head in because they didn't like his TONE OF VOICE!!!!

[pigpot]

Hi Folks,

As I'm new to the forum and kind of still learning the etiquette forgive me if I'm standing out here like a really sore thumb but aren't we just standing around waiting for this to happen and talking about this, that and the other.

Without wanting to sound like a twat, I as someone who has worked in Education for a number of years now, (and worked doing the hard graft in industry so I'm not an ignorant, arrogant academic fool as most teachers are, exceptions are included), I've tried to change people as most of you guys have talking to them about a different alternative to the given life. I've browsed through the forums and found many, many great threads and replys from many, many great people but the one thing that I can't find is where is the action.

Now please don't misunderstand me. I'm not talking about direct action or the action that as soon as it's underway the Global Illuminati stooges take over and use to misdirect. But I joined the forum to find out how we are changing things. I know Icke is doing his talks but where is the support. I know we are all at work and trapped in a sense of work to pay mortgage, afraid of losing job, no motgage=no house, lose house-husband-wife-kids etc. We were challenged with the put up or shut up theory of staying in the U.K. and shutting up or putting up and emmigrating, so we chose the latter and I do understand that not everyone can or wants to do that. But even in our new country I still challenge on a daily basis people whoi work with about an alternative and some have been changed by reading a few books I've lent them and we need to talk about what wewe are doing and how we are changing.

But what are we doing, maybe it's my naivety or newness (if there is such a word, probably not) to the forum and people are organising outlets of information about the alternative to this spoon fed drivel.

My opinion: lets have a forum with threads containing information about actual action. Not direct action because it's best to fight fire with water not fire.

Any thoughts and take care as they want us all.

Cheers, pigpot

[lifeofbrian]

Hi Folks,

As I'm new to the forum and kind of still learning the etiquette forgive me if I'm standing out here like a really sore thumb but aren't we just standing around waiting for this to happen and talking about this, that and the other.

Without wanting to sound like a twat, I as someone who has worked in Education for a number of years now, (and worked doing the hard graft in industry so I'm not an ignorant, arrogant academic fool as most teachers are, exceptions are included), I've tried to change people as most of you guys have talking to them about a different alternative to the given life. I've browsed through the forums and found many, many great threads and replys from many, many great people but the one thing that I can't find is where is the action.

Now please don't misunderstand me. I'm not talking about direct action or the action that as soon as it's underway the Global Illuminati stooges take over and use to misdirect. But I joined the forum to find out how we are changing things. I know Icke is doing his talks but where is the support. I know we are all at work and trapped in a sense of work to pay mortgage, afraid of losing job, no motgage=no house, lose house-husband-wife-kids etc. We were challenged with the put up or shut up theory of staying in the U.K. and shutting up or putting up and emmigrating, so we chose the latter and I do understand that not everyone can or wants to do that. But even in our new country I still challenge on a daily basis people whoi work with about an alternative and some have been changed by reading a few books I've lent them and we need to talk about what wewe are doing and how we are changing.

But what are we doing, maybe it's my naivety or newness (if there is such a word, probably not) to the forum and people are organising outlets of information about the alternative to this spoon fed drivel.

My opinion: lets have a forum with threads containing information about actual action. Not direct action because it's best to fight fire with water not fire.

Any thoughts and take care as they want us all.

Cheers, pigpot

Hello pigpot.

Good saying: "It's best to fight fire with water, not fire."

That's what william_mac was trying to get across in this thread. Not many seem to see that. Instead knee-jerking into 'something must be done! Why didn't anyone do something!' (P-R-S).

Another good saying: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."

Know your enemy. Outsmart them. Don't give them any excuse to use their 'power'. If they're there, they are ready to do so.

As for what people - we - should be doing? My guess is a lot of people will do what has always been done, repeating history. Some will run off. A few will resist in a new way and make some changes happen because they use their intelligence. For once.

[astro zombie]

Can we just calmly share ideas with this event and not take shots at one another? Sheesh guys, calm down.

We all know this is just another recent example of the police state we here in the states live in, of 'authority figures' being way way too aggressive. There was no need to fucking taser this poor kid. For fucks sake there were like 3 or 4 officers they could've just held him down until he calmed down.

On one hand I see what william is saying, because you know we can already see this clip on Faux News, and O'Reilly and Hannity having an oozy over this, lumping this kid with all the 'liberal conspiracy nuts.' He could've handled the situation better, he probably should've kept his cool when asking the questions, but give him some credit at least he had the balls to speak out. And you know what? He really did nothing wrong. He got a little excited and spoke out of turn and went longer than he was supposed to, if he got too disruptive the security gaurds could have just simply told him to calm down, and if he were getting really disruptive they should've just escorted him out. But no no they had to taser him. That's fucking ridiculous.

I really don't know what to completely make of this, but at least this will hopefully open some eyes and get alot of people thinking.

[lifeofbrian]

Look at it this way:

If I walked into a setting where mafia bosses were in the panel speaking about the concrete business, and asked them about their connections in the CIA, what would their guards do?

There's a time and place for everything.

[astro zombie]

After watching the clip a couple more times, I think this guy REALLY should've handled his situation better. You have to expect that kind've reaction if your going to go against the rules like that. Even still, those security guards went way over the top by tasering him like that.

[astro zombie]

Look at it this way:

If I walked into a setting where mafia bosses were in the panel speaking about the concrete business, and asked them about their connections in the CIA, what would their guards do?

There's a time and place for everything.

Exactly. I agree totally.

[freedomnonfighter]

""If I walked into a setting where mafia bosses were in the panel speaking about the concrete business, and asked them about their connections in the CIA, what would their guards do?""

And if you outnumbered the guards, would you still sit there and do nothing just because your memory screams P-R-S?

"I know my fellow brother and sufferer is being wrongfully assaulted and electrically shocked, but it's P-R-S. Don't do anything..."

""There's a time and place for everything.""

So where and when was this student's time to ask John Kerry a question? Wouldn't it be during a Q&A session with John Kerry?

There's a time and a place for complacency.


(Will hopefully have pics tomorrow from the protest @ UF.)

[john white]

The guy who got the biggest "wake up" call out of this was the guy getting tazered. I definately felt for him looking into the eyes of the students around him and realising that, no, actually no-one was going to do squit as he was getting tazered for the fifth time

Moral of this tale: confront them, yes, but do it with back-up "we are change style"

(My inner Anarchist says "Rushing the stage towards Kerry as the guy was getting dragged to the back would have given the cops a brain seizure. True they'd have started letting fly with bullets, but then its "UCLA Police massacre" ;) ")

I do think Kerry should have answered his question though! "Hey Jawn, did'nt you really wanna be Prez?"

[lifeofbrian]

""If I walked into a setting where mafia bosses were in the panel speaking about the concrete business, and asked them about their connections in the CIA, what would their guards do?""

And if you outnumbered the guards, would you still sit there and do nothing just because your memory screams P-R-S?

"I know my fellow brother and sufferer is being wrongfully assaulted and electrically shocked, but it's P-R-S. Don't do anything..."

""There's a time and place for everything.""

So where and when was this student's time to ask John Kerry a question? Wouldn't it be during a Q&A session with John Kerry?

There's a time and a place for complacency.


(Will hopefully have pics tomorrow from the protest @ UF.)


People handle things differently.

I wouldn't have shown up in the first place. Why give Kerry the satisfaction?

Withdrawing support (interest) is also an active protest. Can speak louder than words.

[freedomnonfighter]

People handle things differently.

I wouldn't have shown up in the first place. Why give Kerry the satisfaction?

Withdrawing support (interest) is also an active protest. Can speak louder than words.

If I were enrolled there I would have shown up.

I would have asked the same types of questions, too.

It's all about spreading awareness... and look how much awareness is being spread just from this incident alone!

One video:
It's a little over 12 hours since this video was added and it has 84,277 hits and 1336 comments.

Youtube has been censoring comments as well, surprise surprise.

Not gonna spread awareness by not going and in turn, letting all those people in there feed off his BS without a chance to hear the Truth.

[vienna]

I LOVE YOU.

G'day William Mac.

You, of all people here, have acted by losing there temper, and this is merely on a forum, not with a lot of other people standing and sitting around doing nothing as your individual rights are being violated. So how you can declare that you would have acted in a calm manner is pure fantasy.

I have been in a similar situation as this person, having been arrested for assualt police and resisit arrest, when I did neither of these things, while around 500 people in a Westfields shopping centre stood around watching and did absolutely nothing about the situation, not even to ask a simple question. It was thrown out of court by the way.

Having been in the police force for two years (ages 19 to 21), I can say that I know both sides of what has transpired here. The police that first touched this person had committed the crime of assualt (common law assault) and then continued to assualt him further (assualt causing bodily harm). Whatever happens after the first assualt, this person had the right to defend themselves physically, which they didn't do, and merely questioned what was transpiring.

You appear to be more concerned with how you are perceived by the public than with what has taken place with this person being assualted. To label a person a "dumbass" for approaching this issue in the manner as they have done so, has only belittled yourself.

If you would like to discuss the legalities, please feel free to inquire and I will explain how you have absolutely no understanding of the law if what you have written is to go by.

When you speak out, I sincerely hope that there is someone with the courage of this person nearby so that you will not go undefended as this person has.

THANK YOU.



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excellent post

can you please post articles of law which show when the officer first touched him it was assault as well as the best procedure when we're in a similiar situation - up until now I've been lucky handing out flyers in public, on marches etc, but it's only a matter of time before I'm forced into a situation like this as I'm sure many on here are too

we'd really appreciate your advice

cheers

[i am all i am]

Hello pigpot.

Good saying: "It's best to fight fire with water, not fire."

That's what william_mac was trying to get across in this thread. Not many seem to see that.

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Lifeofbrian.

I find it funny that you would believe that this is what William Mac was attempting to do considering the personal attacks that he made about this young person.

.....the stupidity of the kid.....they start yelling like fucking pussies.....that kid handled the situation like an idiot, sqweeled like a stuck pig.....effectively making a fool out of himself and the movement of truth.

He acted like a goddamned idiot.....He basically just gave a bad name to everything.....You have to have CLASS you have to have TACT. This kid lacked all of that, and I honestly would never associate myself with such a blatant dumbass.

This kid, however, got up and began acting stupid from the beginning.....

Screaming like a baby brat.....The fact is, if you're going to play the game, then you sure as hell better have a silver tongue, some class, some savvy, and some wit. This kid had none of that. I don't think he could ever make a good journalist either......This kid was just a dissapointment. I bet he's never even seen a shred of what goes on in the real world.....This sweater clad suburbanite beach bum just pissed his pants for the whole world to see and gave up his dignity like a literal jackass.....I came to the conclusion that the student was more to blame than anyone else.....

I think the boy acted like an idiot and brought all of this upon himself..... I came to the conclusion that all could have been avoided if that boy had simply been more classy, instead he acted, yes, like a dumbass.....

Once again, we look like insane nuts according to the general population because of some...well... nut......I know those Gainseville, Florida types. I know them, and it's even worse when they're a white-shooed college kid wanna be journalist.....I've inherently evolved to not respect a person like him who harbors no tact, no class, and no balls.....To consider that boy anything of worth would be a disgrace to the struggle in my opinion.....

Maybe you missed the 'put down' and personal abuse that William Mac used to describe this young person with, so here it is above.

The FACT is, that as soon as he was touched by another, he had been assualted, and was continually assualted without any other individual there, including John Kerry, doing one thing about it, and was then given an electric shock with a taser.

Is it the case that you believe that this young person should avoid speaking when he so desires because there are those in authority and power present, in essence, being silent when he would choose to speak his mind freely ???

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)


The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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[lifeofbrian]

If I were enrolled there I would have shown up.

I would have asked the same types of questions, too.

It's all about spreading awareness... and look how much awareness is being spread just from this incident alone!

One video:
It's a little over 12 hours since this video was added and it has 73,000 hits and 1264 comments.

Youtube has been censoring comments as well, surprise surprise.

Not gonna spread awareness by not going and in turn, letting all those people in there feed off his BS without a chance to hear the Truth.


Spread awareness about what exactly? Police brutality?

Are politicians in the habit of answering questions truthfully? And, since it's not exactly a deep dark secret anymore, to anyone with a computer, that Kerry is S&B, the question was - what? A provocation. The kid must have known that, unless he's not firing on all cylinders.

So a lot of people have been re-acting have they? Outraged at police brutality? Do you all live out in the wilderness somewhere with no newspapers or media?

Hey, ever heard of the Birmingham Six?
Birmingham Six - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Guantanamo before Guantanamo, so to speak.

'Peaceful' demonstrations? Check out Derry, Ireland, 1972, Bloody Sunday.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1972)

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If you decide to get in their face, things happen. It's the whole point of P-R-S.

They bait, people react 'in their faces', they nail your arse.

[vienna]

the guy being tasered is 21 year old Andrew Meyer

"Andrew Meyer, 21, was in the Alachua County Jail Monday night, according to jail records. He faces two charges: resisting an officer with violence and disrupting a school assembly. He's scheduled to appear in court at 9 a.m. today"

http://www.miamiherald.com/466/story/241219.html

leave a comment on the miami herald page

his website:
THERE WILL BE A MARCH AT 12PM, SEPTEMBER 18, 2007 IN THE PLAZA OF THE AMERICAS ON THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA CAMPUS
VIEW THE FACEBOOK GROUP! http://ufl.facebook.com/event.php?eid=5779218759. SHOW UP AND DEMONSTRATE YOUR SUPPORT.
FREE ANDREW MEYER

http://www.theandrewmeyer.com/

the most worrying thing about this is the indifference of the other students have towards a man the American forefathers would have been proud of

no man is free when freedom fails

the best men rot in filthy jails

while those who cry appease appease

are hung by those they try to please

[chinchilla]

That's real sad. I can see myself going the same way, I'd rather stand up and use my brain to question and argue over something I don't think is right than to sit down and be fed what I'm suppose to think is right.

[lydia78]

Land of the free?
Freedom of speech?
US cops are gung ho in general
reminded me when i got pulled over for having a
back truck light out
5 cop cars and the sheiff wanted to arrest me for fuck all
v scary experience
they love their cuffs.

That poor guy...anyone know what happened to him?

[pigpot]

Who the fvck are you? Are you kidding? You faggot fvcking nazi! Get the fvck outta here... you make me wanna fvcking puke... he deserved to be tasered for resisting a fake arrest? Inciting a riot? HUHUH? The only riot I saw was the police rioting... so I guess they were right... he did incite a riot... the riot for the police to kick his head in because they didn't like his TONE OF VOICE!!!!

Don't know you, have never seen you and not judging you but a Senior Member. I don't give a shit about the language, you know, but there is a slight issue, Oh!! hang on Fvck, Shat, Bullocks, Wunk, Cant and finally Pess and most of all just the negativity coming out. Let the lot go. It seems as if you've read the books but kind of took it that you can still keep your own little program. If your going to swear, then swear and mean it when you do but don't be a fence sitter and then when you are a fence sitter be prepared for the reaction to your action, because just as the butterfly flaps it's wings in Japan it creates the start over the storm over the Pacific, action=reaction. Or on the other hand don't be casting the hatred you wish to end on everybody else.

Smile, Adolf Rothchild Hitler never did, and look where he ended up. Somewhere in South America next to a few friends courtesy of "The Government". Probably still there scratching his lizard skin balls thinking, "Fack I tried my hardest but my own family still fecked me off".

pigpot

[rebel ins]

that student acted like a bitch, he shoulda remained cool, now this seems played out

[lifeofbrian]

[B][SIZE="4"][COLOR="Blue"]I LOVE YOU.

[B][SIZE="2"][COLOR="Magenta"]G'day Lifeofbrian.

I find it funny that you would believe that this is what William Mac was attempting to do considering the personal attacks that he made about this young person.[...]

I read and think, I don't 'believe'. I even read your attempts to put william_mac down.

Evens out eh?

[i am all i am]

excellent post

can you please post articles of law which show when the officer first touched him it was assault as well as the best procedure when we're in a similiar situation - up until now I've been lucky handing out flyers in public, on marches etc, but it's only a matter of time before I'm forced into a situation like this as I'm sure many on here are too

we'd really appreciate your advice

cheers

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Vienna.

I have some of the powers of arrest collected from a police forum that I found regarding citizens arrest. I was going to make a thread in tis regard, posting as much as I know about it and possible collecting a lot more. I actually found it very difficult to find any information about the Crimes Act here in Australia, let alone the act itself. I left the police force a bit over 17 years ago now, so I don't have any of the documentation that I had at the time. I still recall the powers of arrest, four of them in NSW, Australia, and one I can still recite. I am also pretty certain that common law assault was section 162 of the Crimes Act, although I may be mistaken on that.

At the moment bloody vista is playing up and I cannot get into 'my documents' where I have the information, but this is from Wikipedia...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen's_arrest

Australia
New South Wales
Queensland
South Australia
Canada
France
Germany
Hong Kong
Ireland
Mexico
New Zealand
Sweden
United Kingdom
United States


I remembered it as...

A constable, OR OTHER PERSON, may with or without warrant...blah, blah, blah.

This is in relation to common law assault...

Assault - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


I was taught that if someone touches you that is common law assault. In other words, no one has the right to touch you without your permission. The degrees of assault may vary from country to country, but they basically go up in regards to the damage caused by the assault. Assault causing death being te obvious 'highest' one. Assault causing actual bodily harm is probably the most common one that people are arrested for, that and assault police, which is usually a trumped up charge. Basically it goes like this...

A police office gives you a directive, usually without the power to do so (it's mostly bluff to get you to do what they want), like for instance standing still, which is a technical arrest because it confines you to one spot. Then when you decide to not obey the directive, they then grab hold of you saying that you are under arrest, and then claim that you assaulted a police officer and then resisted arrest, whether you struggled with the unlawful arrest or not. This obviously looks bad for you as you resisted arrest after having 'assaulted' a police officer, but what should be noted is that no original charge is ever applied, merely the resist arrest and assault police charge. It's a common tactic to shut someone up and basically 'stitch them up', giving them a criminal record, so that when they have a criminal check done on them, the next police officer will be told that they are dangerous because they have a prior assault police on their record.

The easiest way to avoid any hassles is to give them your name and details (which is usually all they have the power to obtain from you) and then continue on your way. There is no law as far as I know that says that you have to engage verbally with a police officer. If they ask you to stand still, merely ask them if you are under arrest. When they say no, then tell them that you have the right to continue on your way without speaking to them. If they say that you have to stand still and talk to them, tell them that confining you to one spot is a technical arrest and enquire what the charge is. They won't have one and you have the freedom to continue on your way.

The greatest thing that we can do as a group is to arrest a police officer that is breaking the law using a citizens arrest. Wherever you are, find out the law as regards to common law assault, and then if you are in a group, use thefact that you out number them to subdue them an take them to the police station to be charged with assault, or whatever crime they have committed. Standing together in this manner is the only way that I can see that we can maintain our freedom in dealing with th police that are breaking the law.

That instance where I got arrested that I described in short detail, I did not have my rights read to me. When I got to the police station, actually where I used to be stationed at, I informed the charge sargaent that I was there to have the police officer charged with assault. Of course there was a few policemen around and they laughed, until I recited the powers of arrest that declared '"Any constable, or other person...". At which point you could have heard a pin drop. Then they tried to tell me that it was me that was under arrest and I replied that I had not had my rights read to me, more silence. Then the charge sargaent read them to me. As I said, it was thrown out at court.

So if they do not 'read you your rights' they have made a big mistake. There is a set procedure that the must follow, so even if you are arrested and charged, it isn't always a 'done deal'. You do not have to answer any questions that they ask, but you have the right to make a statement and say what ever you choose to in that statement.

Anyway, this is getting long, and maybe should be started on another thread so as not to highjack this one, and individual questions can be asked and I will endeavour to answer them as I can.

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I read and think, I don't 'believe'. I even read your attempts to put william_mac down.

Evens out eh?

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Lifeofbrian.

Where do you "think" that I attempted to "put william_mac down" ???

I would be interested in how you have come to this conclusion from what I have written.

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I LOVE YOU.

G'day Vienna.

I have some of the powers of arrest collected from a police forum that I found regarding citizens arrest. I was going to make a thread in tis regard, posting as much as I know about it and possible collecting a lot more. I actually found it very difficult to find any information about the Crimes Act here in Australia, let alone the act itself. I left the police force a bit over 17 years ago now, so I don't have any of the documentation that I had at the time. I still recall the powers of arrest, four of them in NSW, Australia, and one I can still recite. I am also pretty certain that common law assault was section 162 of the Crimes Act, although I may be mistaken on that.

At the moment bloody vista is playing up and I cannot get into 'my documents' where I have the information, but this is from Wikipedia...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen's_arrest

Australia
New South Wales
Queensland
South Australia
Canada
France
Germany
Hong Kong
Ireland
Mexico
New Zealand
Sweden
United Kingdom
United States


I remembered it as...

A constable, OR OTHER PERSON, may with or without warrant...blah, blah, blah.

This is in relation to common law assault...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault


I was taught that if someone touches you that is common law assault. In other words, no one has the right to touch you without your permission. The degrees of assault may vary from country to country, but they basically go up in regards to the damage caused by the assault. Assault causing death being te obvious 'highest' one. Assault causing actual bodily harm is probably the most common one that people are arrested for, that and assault police, which is usually a trumped up charge. Basically it goes like this...

A police office gives you a directive, usually without the power to do so (it's mostly bluff to get you to do what they want), like for instance standing still, which is a technical arrest because it confines you to one spot. Then when you decide to not obey the directive, they then grab hold of you saying that you are under arrest, and then claim that you assaulted a police officer and then resisted arrest, whether you struggled with the unlawful arrest or not. This obviously looks bad for you as you resisted arrest after having 'assaulted' a police officer, but what should be noted is that no original charge is ever applied, merely the resist arrest and assault police charge. It's a common tactic to shut someone up and basically 'stitch them up', giving them a criminal record, so that when they have a criminal check done on them, the next police officer will be told that they are dangerous because they have a prior assault police on their record.

The easiest way to avoid any hassles is to give them your name and details (which is usually all they have the power to obtain from you) and then continue on your way. There is no law as far as I know that says that you have to engage verbally with a police officer. If they ask you to stand still, merely ask them if you are under arrest. When they say no, then tell them that you have the right to continue on your way without speaking to them. If they say that you have to stand still and talk to them, tell them that confining you to one spot is a technical arrest and enquire what the charge is. They won't have one and you have the freedom to continue on your way.

The greatest thing that we can do as a group is to arrest a police officer that is breaking the law using a citizens arrest. Wherever you are, find out the law as regards to common law assault, and then if you are in a group, use thefact that you out number them to subdue them an take them to the police station to be charged with assault, or whatever crime they have committed. Standing together in this manner is the only way that I can see that we can maintain our freedom in dealing with th police that are breaking the law.

That instance where I got arrested that I described in short detail, I did not have my rights read to me. When I got to the police station, actually where I used to be stationed at, I informed the charge sargaent that I was there to have the police officer charged with assault. Of course there was a few policemen around and they laughed, until I recited the powers of arrest that declared '"Any constable, or other person...". At which point you could have heard a pin drop. Then they tried to tell me that it was me that was under arrest and I replied that I had not had my rights read to me, more silence. Then the charge sargaent read them to me. As I said, it was thrown out at court.

So if they do not 'read you your rights' they have made a big mistake. There is a set procedure that the must follow, so even if you are arrested and charged, it isn't always a 'done deal'. You do not have to answer any questions that they ask, but you have the right to make a statement and say what ever you choose to in that statement.

Anyway, this is getting long, and maybe should be started on another thread so as not to highjack this one, and individual questions can be asked and I will endeavour to answer them as I can.

THANK YOU.



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great stuff - ill follow those leads too

yep, we definitly need a thread devoted to this issue

[lifeofbrian]

G'day Lifeofbrian.

Where do you "think" that I attempted to "put william_mac down" ???

I would be interested in how you have come to this conclusion from what I have written.

Well, I could always quote your own posts back at you, but instead of interpreting anything word-by-word that you can check for yourself, I can let you know how this thread reads to me.

There's a situation.
Some discuss the technicalities of the situation itself.
Some discuss the situation from the 'freedom-of-speech-fighter-come-hero' vs 'dumb sheep' angle.
Some discuss the consequences of the situation.
Some discuss the situation from a stategic point of view.

What I have found is that often when people do not agree on the angle to begin with, are not on the same page so to speak, a tug-o-war can play out in an attempt to drag others onto the same page. Still, if no-one gives in, people tend to speak past each other. One speaks about the technicalities, the other about the wisdom of the action and seeing the action from a strategic point of view.

Why would you have a problem with someone not agreeing that what the kid in the clip did, was very smart? Is that how you personally exercise your freedom of speech in your daily life? (Rhetorical.)

It read to me as if you two spoke from different vantage points is all, and there were 'words'.

Peace.

[matrixcutter]

Can Icke put the video on his Headlines page?

[vienna]

Can Icke put the video on his Headlines page?

I think they've just updated the page - it's now there;


Federal Prosecutor Arrested In Child Sex Sting

'A U.S. Justice Department official has been arrested on suspicion of traveling to Detroit over the weekend to have sex with a minor. John David R. Atchison, 53, an assistant U.S. attorney from the northern district of Florida, was arraigned in U.S. District Court in Detroit Monday afternoon. An undercover officer posed as a mother offering her child to Atchison for sex, according to police.'

Read more ...

Tuesday, 18 September 2007
Student tasered after asking Senator Kerry about voter suppression

This is just the start of it now morons-in-uniform have taser guns.

Click here to watch ...


Tuesday, 18 September 2007
UN nuclear boss warns warmongers over Iran

'The head of the UN's nuclear agency today warned against any increase in "hype" about war with Iran, saying countries should heed the lessons of the build-up to the Iraq conflict. The strongly worded comments by Mohamed ElBaradei, who runs the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), followed a warning by the French foreign minister that the world should brace itself for a possible war with Iran.'

They don't want to 'heed the lessons', they want to repeat the manipulation.

Read more ...

[gonzo power]

william_mac,

I agree that the kid could have handled the situation with a bit more maturity when he was asking his questions, but who was in the wrong and who was in the right? Acting in an immature manner does not equal being in the wrong. The kid got fucked over, period.

[matrixcutter]

Oh yeah. And another microchip implant article.

[lifeofbrian]

The kid got fucked over, period.

It's the state of the world. It's why people have to start thinking.

We all get fucked over, daily.

Don't get angry - get even.

[i am all i am]

Well, I could always quote your own posts back at you, but instead of interpreting anything word-by-word that you can check for yourself, I can let you know how this thread reads to me.
................
Why would you have a problem with someone not agreeing that what the kid in the clip did, was very smart? Is that how you personally exercise your freedom of speech in your daily life? (Rhetorical.)

It read to me as if you two spoke from different vantage points is all, and there were 'words'.

Peace.

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Lifeofbrian.

Feel free to quote my posts back at me. Maybe you can show where I made abusive comments, personal attacks of character, and attempted to "put william_mac down". Then again, maybe you are not able to because that is not in my posts.

Whether I agree with the manner in which this young person made his comments, I would be willing to defend his rights to make them and not be assaulted for doing so. Personally, I find it amazing that others that declare they are for freedom are unwilling to stand for somebody that has had their freedom taken away from them.

Do you believe that others should not speak out for any particular reason other than you would not do so ???

And if they do speak out that they then deserve to be treated in the manner with which this young person has been treated because that is what 'normally happens' ???

Is there a point that you would be willing to say enough is enough and stand up shoulder to shoulder to defend the right of others not to be assaulted and protect their freedom ???

Or do you believe that everyone should conform to what is expected of them by the authorities and The Heirarchy Enslaving You ???

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[bicycle]

the guy being tasered is 21 year old Andrew Meyer

"Andrew Meyer, 21, was in the Alachua County Jail Monday night, according to jail records. He faces two charges: resisting an officer with violence and disrupting a school assembly. He's scheduled to appear in court at 9 a.m. today"

http://www.miamiherald.com/466/story/241219.html

leave a comment on the miami herald page

his website:
THERE WILL BE A MARCH AT 12PM, SEPTEMBER 18, 2007 IN THE PLAZA OF THE AMERICAS ON THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA CAMPUS
VIEW THE FACEBOOK GROUP! http://ufl.facebook.com/event.php?eid=5779218759. SHOW UP AND DEMONSTRATE YOUR SUPPORT.
FREE ANDREW MEYER

http://www.theandrewmeyer.com/

the most worrying thing about this is the indifference of the other students have towards a man the American forefathers would have been proud of

no man is free when freedom fails

the best men rot in filthy jails

while those who cry appease appease

are hung by those they try to please


Thanks vienna.

Members of the student group sponsoring the event summoned UF police to escort Meyer out, according to a police statement. At first, students can be heard cheering as he is asked to leave.

Since when has the police taken orders like that from students, seems fishy.

[supertzar]

I can't believe how many assholes are in college. I am not talking about the courageous kid, either. Little fucking brownshirts.

[bicycle]

WEB VOTE
Do you think the police acted correctly?


Yes

No

Do you think the police acted correctly?
Yes 297
16%
No 1564
84%
Total Votes: 1861


http://www.miamiherald.com/466/story/241219.html

[mynameis]

Unarmed student almost shot in head by police stop at 2:08.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2007/180907_student_tazering.htm

[peachped]

How do those pigs who tazered that guy sleep at night?

VIDEO:http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=657_1190085332




.

[december]

Well, now I see that America already BECAME the neo-USSR.
But what are you going to do about it?...

[horus21]

Well, now I see that America already BECAME the neo-USSR.
But what are you going to do about it?...

goat hunt

[december]

goat hunt

What is goat hunt?

This video shows that Americans are AFRAID to do a thing.
Take a look at their faces - some people were smiling and NOONE tried to fight with cops.

In Russia people would stand up and block this student from the cops....

LiveLeak.com - Student Tasered After Asking John Kerry Questions

[edelweiss pirate]

I'm not in favour of violence but when I hear this stuff.... vitriol removed.....


It makes me mad.

[horus21]

What is goat hunt?

This video shows that Americans are AFRAID to do a thing.
Take a look at their faces - some people were smiling and NOONE tried to fight with cops.

In Russia people would stand up and block this student from the cops....

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=657_1190085332

Not worth explaining. And yeah most people are afraid, im sure many are not afraid but the thoughts will still remain about going to jail, guantanimo, being depicted as a terrorist, you know any crime imaginable can be manipulated to stick to you with the right intent these days... In a way I dont blame them.

If revolution will happen and work... it will take a revolutionary movement, not a 22 year old know it all ranting about a conference to a person whom is assigned to lie to everyone.

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Now you see, although 28th Kingdom says I've got "issues" if people could just convert their fear into anger, and that anger into a physical power (not guns, but bodily power) then those cops wouldn't have stood a chance.

[28th kingdom]

Now you see, although 28th Kingdom says I've got "issues" if people could just convert their fear into anger, and that anger into a physical power (not guns, but bodily power) then those cops wouldn't have stood a chance.

Hahaha... when I saw you posted on this thread... I knew you would call me out... yea, I know - I'm not perfect... but when I see innocent people being violated... and then assholes like mac who pretend to be on the good side... defend or rationalize the cops actions... that really gets me...

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Now, I agree with you on that 28th...

I don't like it when someone defends the (wrongfully)powerful, especially when the person being attacked is being wrongly attacked.

i mean, come the fuck on! How the hell was THAT trying to start a riot?!

And if you really want to see a video that made my blood boil, you should have seen the video from America: Freedom to Fascism, where the woman gets tasered out of her car for... Ready for this?..



HAVING HER LICENSE EXPIRED!!


Thank you NWO. Now I know never to drive without my license.

[i am all i am]

I LOVE YOU.

Here's a policemans reply just in on youtube...

Yea I'm all for free speech and I will take whatever you all have to say about Bush, but seriously, don't point the finger at the cops, dont make them out to be the bad guy because we protect all of you no matter if your liberal, conservative, black, white, whatever.Keep this shit up making us out to be the bad guys and you never know one day we may not give a shit about your "liberties" and it will all be because of the things YOU (liberals) do.


Yeah, like they didn't assault him and then send an electric shock through his body, they were actually protecting his rights...get fucked !!!

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[greenleaf]

makes you wonder if anyone else had any questions.... i reckon only the pre-prepared ones came after that.

[gonzo power]

All right, I got some phone numbers finally. I will be calling and demanding the firing of the police officers involved.

University of Florida President
(352) 392-1311
http://www.police.ufl.edu/
or email police @
updinfo@admin.ufl.edu

The University of Florida Police Department
phone: (352) 392-1111
Community Services Division
(352) 392-1409
Patrol Division
(352) 392-1560
Victim Services
(352) 392-5648

[woghd]

makes you wonder if anyone else had any questions.... i reckon only the pre-prepared ones came after that.


One of the students has a horrible look on his face as if he's thinking:
"Damn, I was about to ask the same thing!"

Archangel

[scar]

All right, I got some phone numbers finally. I will be calling and demanding the firing of the police officers involved.

University of Florida President
(352) 392-1311
http://www.police.ufl.edu/
or email police @
updinfo@admin.ufl.edu

The University of Florida Police Department
phone: (352) 392-1111
Community Services Division
(352) 392-1409
Patrol Division
(352) 392-1560
Victim Services
(352) 392-5648

Bump this shit, thanks gonzo

[thetonic]

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Lifeofbrian.

I find it funny that you would believe that this is what William Mac was attempting to do considering th











Maybe you missed the 'put down' and personal abuse that William Mac used to describe this young person with, so here it is above.

The FACT is, that as soon as he was touched by another, he had been assualted, and was continually assualted without any other individual there, including John Kerry, doing one thing about it, and was then given an electric shock with a taser.

Is it the case that you believe that this young person should avoid speaking when he so desires because there are those in authority and power present, in essence, being silent when he would choose to speak his mind freely ???

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)


The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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Oh cmon! William Mac is not attacking his viewpoint, only his method of delivery! Which could have been done much more eloquently... You have to fight them with the constitution, and explain the laws calmly... The guy was ranting about skull and bones and a book and this and that! He was ultimately tazered for resisting.. If he had said his point, or actually asked a question, then walked away.. It wouldve been much more effective than screaming in the isles!

Now do i agree with how the situation was resolved? Of course not.. And i most certainly would not allow it

But please you have understand that this thing is so far gone.. you couldnt have expected anything else .. therefore plan ahead and use your BRAINS next time!

[matrixcutter]

All right, I got some phone numbers finally. I will be calling and demanding the firing of the police officers involved.

University of Florida President
(352) 392-1311
http://www.police.ufl.edu/
or email police @
updinfo@admin.ufl.edu

The University of Florida Police Department
phone: (352) 392-1111
Community Services Division
(352) 392-1409
Patrol Division
(352) 392-1560
Victim Services
(352) 392-5648
Good call.

I hope the handshakes don't save them.

[edelweiss pirate]

And if you really want to see a video that made my blood boil, you should have seen the video from America: Freedom to Fascism, where the woman gets tasered out of her car for... Ready for this?..



HAVING HER LICENSE EXPIRED!!


Thank you NWO. Now I know never to drive without my license.

Thank you NWO. Now I know that I will not drive, procreate, marry or in any otherwise invest my energy in a system you control... just as soon as I quit my job..then I will be free....

Life on Earth is boring..... I'm rattling the sides of the box waiting to get out..

[harris999]

I dunno how those people in the room could just stand there. The kid did nothing wrong, but he ended up getting tasered.

Ok the kid acted like abit of jackass, and could have been a little more, umm, tactful. But he didnt deserve all that. All he did was ask a question.

I wonder what his other two questions was :rolleyes:

[woghd]

All right, I got some phone numbers finally. I will be calling and demanding the firing of the police officers involved.

University of Florida President
(352) 392-1311
http://www.police.ufl.edu/
or email police @
updinfo@admin.ufl.edu

The University of Florida Police Department
phone: (352) 392-1111
Community Services Division
(352) 392-1409
Patrol Division
(352) 392-1560
Victim Services
(352) 392-5648

Email sent, but apparently it's afterhours now, I'll try more calls tomorrow.

Archangel

[i_am]

I think we are in deep shit if people on THIS forum, people who are supposedly aware of the agenda, think that it is OK to taser someone for asking a question.

Sure he was not as prepared as he should have been, he reacted a little immature where he should have remained calm but ffs, he asked a question!!

Unfortunately everyone who has some serious questions to ask may not be experienced in the ways of journalism. They may not act in the way they 'should' but that does not give the police the right to use this sort of force.

Roll on NWO because it is just going to get worse and if WE don't take a stand how the hell can we expect those still slumbering to stand up and reject this brutality.

This is not a world that I look forward to living in.

Freedom of speech? Ha!

[woghd]

I tried to post the phone numbers five times and they won't show. I made a stupid test comment and it popped right up. Could anyone explain this? Has anyone else tried to post the phone numbers to the youtube comments?

Archangel

[chattanova]

Insane video, fucking campus cops. Lets hope this wakes up people..

[trumansho]

that's really messed up.

[auron]

All right, I got some phone numbers finally. I will be calling and demanding the firing of the police officers involved.

University of Florida President
(352) 392-1311
http://www.police.ufl.edu/
or email police @
updinfo@admin.ufl.edu

The University of Florida Police Department
phone: (352) 392-1111
Community Services Division
(352) 392-1409
Patrol Division
(352) 392-1560
Victim Services
(352) 392-5648

:D

[woghd]

If the fact (that both candidates in an election were in the same evil club) didn't wake up the sheeple,
then why would an incident like this wake anyone up?

The kid was just another crack-pot, right? An anarchist as Geraldo would say? A nut? A public disturbance?

Did you hear the idiots laughing and cheering? Nobody is waking up. Truthers are simply being painted as anarchist nutcases, because we are always divided, and never come together as a single unit. That tazering wouldn't have happened if there had been ten or so truthers present. A calmer member would have been asking the question while the younger truther watched how it was done and learned.

We are dead in the water until we can come together!

Archangel

[garth]

It has made the front page of the nine network news website here in Oz

Student arrested, shot with Taser gun for asking a question
Wednesday September 19, 2007

By ninemsn staff
A university student has been wrestled, held down and shot with a Taser gun — all for asking presidential candidate John Kerry a couple of questions.

The University of Florida's Andrew Meyer, 21, is shown in a YouTube video being wrestled by six officers and dragged towards the exit at a forum featuring Senator Kerry.

He throws his arms in the air, yelling "What did I do?", "Help" and "Get away from me" as the officers repeatedly try to remove him from the building.

When Mr Meyer finally tries to sidestep the exit and make his way back into the hall, he is thrown to the ground and held down.

"Stop resisting," a female officer demands.

"If you let me go, I'll walk out of here," Meyer replies, before pleading "don't Tase me, bro … I didn't do anything."

Then, surrounded by up to seven officers holding him to the floor, the man is hit with the Taser for two to three seconds.

Kerry, all the while attempting to continue his address, is drowned out by the man's screams and the clicking of the electrical gun.

The student's questions seem harmless enough considering the heavy police reaction.

First, he asks Kerry why he didn’t dispute the results of the 2004 election, which the Democrat lost to George W Bush.

With officers gathering behind him, Mr Meyer then asked Kerry if he was a member of the same 'secret society' as Bush.

The video has received a massive response, mostly expressing outrage towards the perceived overreaction of the police.

While Mr Meyer was charged with resisting police and disturbing the peace, many commentors believe he has the right to sue the state.


http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=297055
This is so very wrong, it's damn sick.:(

I wonder if there is some electrical device that can protect you from the effects of the taser and reverse it so the cop gets the belt?

[limelady]

All right, I got some phone numbers finally. I will be calling and demanding the firing of the police officers involved.

University of Florida President
(352) 392-1311
http://www.police.ufl.edu/
or email police @
updinfo@admin.ufl.edu

The University of Florida Police Department
phone: (352) 392-1111
Community Services Division
(352) 392-1409
Patrol Division
(352) 392-1560
Victim Services
(352) 392-5648

This is the spirit! Making our disapproval well and truly known
by sending emails and making phone calls is something anybody
can do.

I won't call from Australia, but I will be sending an email today.
Thanks for posting this information gonzo power. :)

I am of the opinion the Police were responsible for inciting that
boy to panic and resist their attempts to haul him round. I also
believe the Police abused their power by using unnecessary
force (electric shock) to subdue him. If I'm not mistaken, being
taught how to restrain a person without hurting anyone, is one
of the first things a young police officer is taught.

I feel this 'performance' the police put on was a deliberate show
of power to a hall full of students for the purpose of intimidation.
All part of the "see....don't fuck with us or you'll get the same"
tactics being used to further condition young minds and further
push ahead with the step by step agenda that David Icke calls the
totalitarian tiptoe - control-through-fear!

All part of the on-going social conditioning.

[limelady]

I wonder if there is some electrical device that can protect you from the effects of the taser and reverse it so the cop gets the belt?

If not, why don't you invent such a device garth, then go into full
production and sell them on the Internet ;)

[erikneo]

Does anybody know if the mainstream media showed all of the video(The question he ask)?

[abrilliantone]

If the fact (that both candidates in an election were in the same evil club) didn't wake up the sheeple,
then why would an incident like this wake anyone up?

The kid was just another crack-pot, right? An anarchist as Geraldo would say? A nut? A public disturbance?

Did you hear the idiots laughing and cheering? Nobody is waking up. Truthers are simply being painted as anarchist nutcases, because we are always divided, and never come together as a single unit. That tazering wouldn't have happened if there had been ten or so truthers present. A calmer member would have been asking the question while the younger truther watched how it was done and learned.

We are dead in the water until we can come together!

Archangel
Right the fuck on Archangel this is the shit that pisses me off.:mad: It like I hope they microchip everyone just so I can grab people and shake the shit out of them. And say "see this is what we were trying to warn you dumb fucks about".:( Please excuse my language everyone watching that video and seeing people just laugh about it. Really really pissed me off.:mad:

[freedomnonfighter]

Well I just got back from the protest, good turn up! Hundreds!

Will make a post/thread about it later, gonna nap now. Got a dozen or so pics and an hour and a half of video that we need to condense/edit/upload.

I don't think a college campus has seen action like that since the '60s. We even had our own version of storming the bastille! :D :D :D

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/6480/0000096fi6.jpg

[gonzo power]

Well I just got back from the protest, good turn up! Hundreds!

Will make a post/thread about it later, gonna nap now. Got a dozen or so pics and an hour and a half of video that we need to condense/edit/upload.

I don't think a college campus has seen action like that since the '60s. We even had our own version of storming the bastille! :D :D :D
Right on! Hilarious pic! I love it!

[december]

Actually the video shows that the guy didn't jump in to disrupt the conversation.
No.
He was actually speaking to Kerry who was answering his questions.
But right at the moment when the student asked about Kerry's membership in the Skull and Bones he was PUSHED AWAY from a microphone by police.

(CBS) As opposite as George Bush and John Kerry may seem to be, they do share a common secret - one they've shared for decades, and one they will not share with the electorate.

The secret: details of their membership in Skull and Bones, the elite Yale University society whose members include some of the most powerful men of the 20th century.

Bones is not restricted to the Republican Party. Yet another Bonesman has his eye on the Oval Office: Senator John Kerry, Democrat, Skull & Bones 1966.

“It is fascinating isn't it? I mean, again, all the people say, ‘Oh, these societies don't matter. The Eastern Establishment is in decline.’ And you could not find two more quintessential Eastern establishment, privileged guys,” says Rosenbaum. “I remember when I was a nerdy scholarship student in the reserve book room at, at the Yale Library, and John Kerry, who at that point styled himself ‘John F. Kerry’ would walk in.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/02/60minutes/main576332.shtml

http://www.oilempire.us/graphics/bush_kerry.jpg


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Skull_and_Crossbones_c1947%2C_GHW_Bush_left_of_clo ck.jpg

Skull and Bones 1947, with George H.W. Bush just left of clock

Skull and Bones - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[lifeofbrian]

G'day Lifeofbrian.

Feel free to quote my posts back at me. Maybe you can show where I made abusive comments, personal attacks of character, and attempted to "put william_mac down". Then again, maybe you are not able to because that is not in my posts.

Having read your posts again, I beg to differ. Maybe that wasn't your motive though.

Whether I agree with the manner in which this young person made his comments, I would be willing to defend his rights to make them and not be assaulted for doing so. Personally, I find it amazing that others that declare they are for freedom are unwilling to stand for somebody that has had their freedom taken away from them.

From my point of view, that sound very simplistic and naïve in a black-white sort of way. But OK; Do you defend a person in a bank asking the cashier what he thinks of bank robbers? Can't you see there's a time and place for everything?

What 'freedom taken away'? Since when have Americans been 'free'? Have you bought the propaganda?

Do you believe that others should not speak out for any particular reason other than you would not do so ???

Not at all. If they can take the consequences, go ahead. It would be a relief to know that people are fully aware of the situations they are in, the risks involved, and took some personal responsibility. People are more dangerous to a totalitarian gov alive, rather than dead.

And if they do speak out that they then deserve to be treated in the manner with which this young person has been treated because that is what 'normally happens' ???

In my opinion, nobody 'deserves' to be treated violently.

Is there a point that you would be willing to say enough is enough and stand up shoulder to shoulder to defend the right of others not to be assaulted and protect their freedom ???

Have done many times already.

Or do you believe that everyone should conform to what is expected of them by the authorities and The Heirarchy Enslaving You ???

Not at all.

For some reason I don't seem able to explain in a way you can understand, so if my posts on this matter don't make any sense to you, never mind. I'm sure you'll deal with and encourage certain actions in volatile situations in the ways you see fit, no matter what anybody says. You are free to do so.

[i am all i am]

Oh cmon! William Mac is not attacking his viewpoint, only his method of delivery!

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Thetonic.

.....and I came to the conclusion that the student was more to blame than anyone else despite the bad reaction on behalf of the department.

Nope, William Mac, as can be seen here in this quote, blames the young person for the "bad reaction". It was assault plain and simple, not merely a "bad reaction". No one had a right to touch this young person at any time.

Oh, but his "method of delivery" is more of a concern than the fact that he has been assaulted. William Mac proceeded to hurl abusive comments about this young person, making personal attacks of character.

Now I have at no time said that he doesn't have the right to do so. He can post anything that he so desires, and so can I.

THANK YOU.



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[scar]

Florida campus cops on leave after Taser incident
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/18/student.tasered/index.html

[woghd]

Florida campus cops on leave after Taser incident
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/18/student.tasered/index.html

This is the CORRECT time for truthers to come together and make a mass statement! We are not nutcases and anarchists, we are simply people asking the hard questions, and refusing to accept BS answers to placate us.

That could have been ANY ONE OF US up there getting tazed for asking uncomfortable questions.

I hope and pray the leaders of various truthist groups take advantage of this.

Archangel

[rynath]

Previous posters who said this makes you sick...I'm with you. It actually gave me a stomach ache and instant heartburn to watch it, not to mention making my blood boil. You can just feel your rights being sucked from your body. Kerry could of stepped in and stopped that instantly. Instead he just stood back and enjoyed the show.

[i am all i am]

Having read your posts again, I beg to differ. Maybe that wasn't your motive though.

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Lifeofbrian.

Now I could respond to this in two ways, like William Mac does.....

You have "acted like a goddamned idiot. OK? That's the end of it.". "The fact is, if you're going to play the game, then you sure as hell better have a silver tongue, some class, some savvy, and some wit." You "had none of that."

You are "just a dissapointment. I bet" you've "never even seen a shred of what goes on in the real world. That sure as hell isn't police brutality as far as I'm concerned."

You've "acted like an idiot and brought all of this upon" yourself. "But, in any sense, I've inherently evolved to not respect a person like" yourself "who harbors no tact, no class, and no balls."

You do "not have my respect."

When you beg to differ you have "handled the situation like an idiot, sqweeled like a stuck pig" and "effectively making a fool out of" yourself "and the movement of truth."

Or, I could merely respond by saying.....

You are entitled to your opinion, but that is all it is, your opinion. In expressing your opinion, whether or not I agree with it, I would be willing to defend your right to express it verbally without being assaulted for doing so. No one has the right to touch you for speaking your mind and I would stand by you to ensure that you have the FREEDOM to do so.

A TRUTH I BELIEVE

IF YOU DON'T PREACH TO ME AND TELL ME HOW TO LIVE,
THN I'LL KNOW FOR A FACT IT'S LOVE THAT YOU GIVE,
FOR LOVE IS SOMETHING THAT WILL NEVER LEAVE,
'CAUSE IF UNITED WE STAND, UNITED WE ACHIEVE.

http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/silverhawk.gif

SO IF YOU LISTEN TEN YOU MIGHT UNDERSTAND,
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I WILL DEMAND,
TO LIVE LIFE WITH LOVE AS YOUR GOAL,
ALLOWS YOU TO LIVE ETERNALLY AS YOUR SOUL.

http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/silverhawk.gif

NOW IT'S TIME TO DECIDE WHERE IT IS YOU LIVE,
AND MAKE THE CHOICE OF WHAT IT IS YOU GIVE,
FOR I HAVE CHOSEN TO MAKE MY LOVE CLEAR,
'CAUSE GIVING TO WHERE I AM LIVING CREATES HEAVEN HERE.

http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/silverhawk.gif

THIS IS A MESSAGE THAT IS EASILY HEARD,
IT'S A GIFT OF LOVE CONTAINED WITHIN WORD,
NO CODE OR CIPHER IT IS THAT YOU NEED,
YOU WILL LIVE ETERNALLY WHEN LOVE IS FREED.

http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/silverhawk.gif

IT'S A MESSAGE DIRECT FROM YOUR SOUL,
LOVE IS THE GIVER THAT MAKES YOU WHOLE,
AND TOGETHER AS ONE WE CAN ALL ACHIEVE,
UNITING LOVES FAMILY, A TRUTH I BELIEVE.

http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/love.gif

THANK YOU.



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[auron]

More examples of police brutality:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9849 :eek:

[woghd]

http://rabidpandaranch.com/avatars/serve.art.taser.kid.ap.jpg

[mynameis]

The gun appears to be a Tazer gun holstered on the left side of the gun belt. Sorry for the angle, I hope this isn't that disturbing. But still it's a violation.

[trumansho]

Does anybody know if the mainstream media showed all of the video(The question he ask)?
My uncle is a journalist,but he's to wrapped up in the matrix and said he saw it on msnbc.

[i am all i am]

I LOVE YOU.

People speaking out.....

http://StrengthAddicts.com - YouTube

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

In this clip you can clearly hear what John Kerry says while this young person is being held and about to be tasered by the police.....
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

"...I'll answer his question, and uhm, he ah, he unfortunately is not available to come up here and swear me in as president."

THANK YOU.



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[ho1ogram]

I LOVE YOU

It's been said that public speaking is as scary a thought as dying for a lot of people... maybe this is why the bloke was a little excited. Anyway, what is wrong with being a little excited when asking a politicain about any links to a secret society?

The NWO differs from Pol Pot's/ Hitler's etc police states by keeping people silent and obediant while telling them that they are free.... I find it amazing that people think submitting someone to electric shocks is okay or borderline because he wasn't as educated or practiced in public speaking as other people.

What is even more ludicrous is that William Mac finds it okay to support corrupt governments through drug cartels yet thinks a young man who spoke his mind was deserving of being manhandled and tasered.

...his friend had come over to my house early that evening was to show me their hefty sized bag of blow…which I was fine with. People do blow, and they’re perfectly respectable people, and I was going to sit down with them for an hour and partake just the same.
I offered Hugo and his friend a glass of Brandy; after all, I pride myself on being a good host. After we all sat down quietly around the dining room table, and as the crickets began to chirp in the now cooling Southern air, Hugo, his friend, and I took a car key and dipped it into the bag and breathed in the white dust in small amounts.

My guests began explaining to me about the drug cartels, the lack of a middle class, the corrupt presidents and police, and how they know much of the U.S Government aids in furthering these problems by making deals with the cartels.
http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2007/09/16/exclusive-the-north-american-union-on-drugs-by-william-mac/

Snorting coke while discussing drug cartels and government corruption, is that how people should play the game? The fact is, if you're going to play the game, then you sure as hell better have a silver tongue, some class, some savvy, and some wit.
Very classy William Mac, class divisions it seems... it's okay for a young man to be tasered for not having "tact" or "class", and it's okay to partake in activities that support corrupt and murderous governments if you have a "silver tongue"?

THANK YOU

[auron]

Looking at the incident again, it is clear to see that they grabbed hold of him for no reason.

Obvious assault!!

Those cops are fucked. :mad:

[teslafire]

Apparently, there are comments on youtube from some of the people at the rally who said what the camera did not capture is the guy's entrance into the rally. He is said to have burst in and cut to front of the line which alarmed police to his attention off the bat.

If that's true, that does change things significantly, IMO.

[trumansho]

Apparently, there are comments on youtube from some of the people at the rally who said what the camera did not capture is the guy's entrance into the rally. He is said to have burst in and cut to front of the line which alarmed police to his attention off the bat.

If that's true, that does change things significantly, IMO.still they had no right to taser him.

[i am all i am]

Apparently, there are comments on youtube from some of the people at the rally who said what the camera did not capture is the guy's entrance into the rally. He is said to have burst in and cut to front of the line which alarmed police to his attention off the bat.

If that's true, that does change things significantly, IMO.

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Teslafire.

If he did do that, then the police could have dealt with it before-hand.

This still has no bearing on the fact that they had no right to touch him when he was asking his questions, let alone taser him while there were 4-5 police holding him down.

THANK YOU.



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[startzpe]

"Don't Tase me Bro"

Somehow I believe that one's going to stick in my mind for awhile.

The youtube video is at something like 700,000 views at this moment, this is going to wake some people up, for the rest it will do as it always does.. pass the time.


What book was he holding?

[rynath]

I wonder how the senator would feel if I got a goon squad together and tasered him at his next public appearance because I didn't want anyone to hear what he had to say?

I'm guessing...NOT SO HAPPY.

[auron]

What book was he holding?

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/512kbqO3VXL.jpg

[woghd]

Apparently, there are comments on youtube from some of the people at the rally who said what the camera did not capture is the guy's entrance into the rally. He is said to have burst in and cut to front of the line which alarmed police to his attention off the bat.

If that's true, that does change things significantly, IMO.

So he got tasered for cutting the line?
Archangel

PS. Too bad those goons weren't around in the sixties, they could have tasered Rosa Parks for not giving up her bus seat...

[ho1ogram]

I LOVE YOU

Look at it this way:

If I walked into a setting where mafia bosses were in the panel speaking about the concrete business, and asked them about their connections in the CIA, what would their guards do?

There's a time and place for everything.

This is an interesting comment lifeofbrian. System's of control work because people in the lower pecking orders are told where there place is. Has John Kerry announced a press conference to discuss any poossible involvement with secret societies? Do you think the mafia bosses in your example are going to hold a public meeting to discuss their connections to the CIA?

The pyramid of power only works if people 'know their place'.

THANK YOU

[ho1ogram]

I LOVE YOU

Apparently, there are comments on youtube from some of the people at the rally who said what the camera did not capture is the guy's entrance into the rally. He is said to have burst in and cut to front of the line which alarmed police to his attention off the bat.

If that's true, that does change things significantly, IMO.

G'day teslafire, based on what I know so far I don't think it does. Subjecting someone to electric shocks isn't needed if they cut into line. People cut into line at the supermarket and gigs quite often and I don't feel the need to call for armed thugs to drag them away and pass electric currents through their body.

Maybe only a limited number of people were allowed into the hall and/or to ask questions... perhaps the young man didn't want to rely on the possibility that someone else was going to cut to the heart of the matter and ask if the two major presidential candidants of one of the worlds largest military and economic powers were members of the same secret society.

People are given electric shocks, medicated and sent to psychiatric 'care' for 'stepping out of line', asking the 'wrong' questions at the 'wrong' time and for being 'ever excited'.

The pyramid of power is one based on behavioural control.

THANK YOU

[i am all i am]

I LOVE YOU

The pyramid of power is one based on behavioural control.

THANK YOU

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Ho1ogram.

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And the same structure has been in place a long time within all of the powerful institutions because many people are unwilling to support each other in making a stand against this fascist power structure, much the same as has happened to the young person that questioned John Kerry.

THANK YOU.



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[auron]

Cheers for those diagrams mate. They will be useful for future use! :)

[nickatnoon61]

This video just shows you what sheeple these people have become when they all just sit round and watched while an innocent man (a fellow human) is tortured by a punch of power-crazed thugs wearing uniforms.

Those people have quite obviously forgotten that the surge of adrenaline one gets when one witnesses such horrors, is also known as righteous outrage, and is meant to be put to good use to defend the innocent. Instead, these folk experienced the adrenal rush as fear, so they sat there like spiritual cowards and allowed this to happen. Well, not all of them...the more sadistic amongst them actually laughed! :eek:

This is simply not good enough IMO....What next? Would they have sat there and watched a child being molested if somebody in a uniform sporting a badge and a taser was doing it? Would some of them have whooped and laughed at that? Where is this line going to be drawn next?

:cool:

Yes Lime, I just got the same email and I was so outraged I posted it in News. Can I delete it, or should you do that? My question is,IS THE HUMAN RACE WORTH SAVING, WHEN THE VAST MAJORITY ARE PIECES OF SHIT, LIKE THOSE SITTING BY AND LAUGHING?!?

[adimon]

the same structure has been in place a long time within all of the powerful institutions because many people are unwilling to support each other in making a stand against this fascist power structure


(I'm choosing my words carefully so that hopefully you won't think I'm picking an argument.)

What sort of a system would you like to replace our current system with? What economic/social changes would you also like to see?

I'm genuinely interested, and will be keeping my own views out of it. :)

[i am all i am]

(I'm choosing my words carefully so that hopefully you won't think I'm picking an argument.)

What sort of a system would you like to replace our current system with? What economic/social changes would you also like to see?

I'm genuinely interested, and will be keeping my own views out of it. :)

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Adimon.

Why do you believe we require a system in place ???

There is no need for any system.

Personally, I choose to be free of anyone elses rules, regulations and laws...I AM ME, I AM FREE !!!

Feel free to express yourself in anyway that you so choose.

THANK YOU.



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[woghd]

Yes Lime, I just got the same email and I was so outraged I posted it in News. Can I delete it, or should you do that? My question is,IS THE HUMAN RACE WORTH SAVING, WHEN THE VAST MAJORITY ARE PIECES OF SHIT, LIKE THOSE SITTING BY AND LAUGHING?!?

That's a Dangerous question. No matter how you answer it, it sucks. We need to CHANGE OUR CORE BELIEFS AND BEHAVIOURS. Sheeple act like sheeple because we've been abused for 10,000 years or more.

Archangel

[adimon]

Why do you believe we require a system in place ???

There is no need for any system.

Personally, I choose to be free of anyone elses rules, regulations and laws...I AM ME, I AM FREE !!!

Feel free to express yourself in anyway that you so choose.

So you mean you think everyone should do their own thing? And if a group want to form a community they can if they want? And if that community want leaders they can? And laws? And anyone who disagrees is free to leave?

But what if the whole world was like that? :)

[auron]

So you mean you think everyone should do their own thing? And if a group want to form a community they can if they want? And if that community want leaders they can? And laws? And anyone who disagrees is free to leave?

But what if the whole world was like that? :)
It will be in the future! :)

[i am all i am]

So you mean you think everyone should do their own thing? And if a group want to form a community they can if they want? And if that community want leaders they can? And laws? And anyone who disagrees is free to leave?

But what if the whole world was like that? :)

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Adimon.

Everyone is already free to do as they please. The problems we have arise when, like what has happened to the young person in the video questioning John Kerry, others attempt to take this freedom away and enforce their beliefs of what a community should be and how each individual should act within that community.

Probably the greatest hindrance to individual freedom is ownership. Ownership of land has been the cause of many fights between people and wars between communities. When humanity gets over the idea that they can own a planet that is vastly older, then we may see true freedom expressed and experienced by all life forms on this planet.

THANK YOU.



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[adimon]

When humanity gets over the idea that they can own a planet that is vastly older, then we may see true freedom expressed and experienced by all life forms on this planet.

How do you think such a world can come about - i.e. what events would precipitate it? :)

[adimon]

It will be in the future! :)

No, sorry Auron, I was unclear. I meant that if the world was totally free, then people might still choose to form communities, and elect leaders, and decree laws, and if everyone did it, you'd have the world as it is today. I'm in favour of personal free will, but I think certain social constructs are natural. The details of the laws and the economic system are what is unnatural.

[auron]

I meant that if the world was totally free

Like this one like this perhaps??

http://aycu21.webshots.com/image/28940/2003155869693322710_rs.jpg

[adimon]

Like this one like this perhaps??

http://aycu21.webshots.com/image/28940/2003155869693322710_rs.jpg

LOL. Very strange. Did you draw it? :)

[i am all i am]

How do you think such a world can come about - i.e. what events would precipitate it? :)

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Adimon.

Choice......when people are sick and tired of being sick and tired then they change. The same will happen with the social structure that is in place now. When people have had enough of not being free they will free themselves.

THANK YOU.



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[nickatnoon61]

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Adimon.

Choice......when people are sick and tired of being sick and tired then they change. The same will happen with the social structure that is in place now. When people have had enough of not being free they will free themselves.

THANK YOU.




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Iam check out someone in Oz, who is making changes in a big way!
www.loveforlife.com.au/flier

[i am all i am]

Iam check out someone in Oz, who is making changes in a big way!
www.loveforlife.com.au/flier

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Nickatnoon.

I have seen this website previously but didn't read it all and didn't bookmark it, which I have now done.

Thanks for giving me the link so that I could do so brother.

THANK YOU.



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[megafish33]

He did not attempt to start a riot, they used excessive force. I'd sue the fuck out of them. He brought a book, Kerry said yes I have the book, he asked a question, and Kerry started to answer until the police used excessive force to place him under arrest. Kerry looked like a dick... he should have got of the stage and told them to lay their hands off of him. The UPD should get flagged. He wasn't even informed of his rights. Where were they so close to the podium anyway. As they came up to get him, Kerry even gave them the order "that's alright guys, lemme answer his question" or something to that effect. That's morons didn't even have the decency to listen to the speaker of the event!

The dept should get flagged and the officers should get suspended during an investigation.

As far as the officers using excessive force...
He's a citizen stupid fucks, as long as he's not breaking any laws, you work for him!

[i am all i am]

Kerry looked like a dick...

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Megafish.

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[auron]

:D

[lottie]

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Adimon.

Choice......when people are sick and tired of being sick and tired then they change. The same will happen with the social structure that is in place now. When people have had enough of not being free they will free themselves.

THANK YOU.



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I sure hope you are right IAAIA! Sometimes the state of society seems such a vast complex thing we've created that i often wonder how on earth we'll be able to balance ourselves out again- it seems too bigger task...:)

[ho1ogram]

I LOVE YOU

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Ho1ogram.

And the same structure has been in place a long time within all of the powerful institutions because many people are unwilling to support each other in making a stand against this fascist power structure, much the same as has happened to the young person that questioned John Kerry.

THANK YOU.

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G'day i am all i am,
yep a pyramid of power only works if it has a solid base. Without followers there can be no leaders.

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:D LMFAO :D


THANK YOU

[ho1ogram]

I LOVE YOU

I sure hope you are right IAAIA! Sometimes the state of society seems such a vast complex thing we've created that i often wonder how on earth we'll be able to balance ourselves out again- it seems too bigger task...:)

G'day Lottie, you're right we have created it. That is the beauty of our existence... we are creators. Historically we have thought that a by product of matter is consciousness when it is really the other way around. Quantum science has proved this. We are dreaming matter into existence. By dragging all the bullshit in the world into the light where we are forced to see what we have created, we give ourselves the opportunity to decide if we want to create something new.

And it happens here on earth: http://www.limitlessness.com/AscensionLie.cfm

The illusion of time (the past is gone and the future isn't here) adds to the fear people feel. That is why dreaming/contemplating is so good because it quiets the mind allowing truth to bubble up and be recognised.

Here is a suggested new model of the world dreamt up by Auron (I quite like it :D):
http://aycu21.webshots.com/image/28940/2003155869693322710_rs.jpg

THANK YOU

[auron]

Yep!

http://aycu40.webshots.com/image/29599/2006374512791524094_rs.jpg

As soon as we all learn how to do this. :)

[lottie]

I LOVE YOU



G'day Lottie, you're right we have created it. That is the beauty of our existence... we are creators. Historically we have thought that a by product of matter is consciousness when it is really the other way around. Quantum science has proved this. We are dreaming matter into existence. By dragging all the bullshit in the world into the light where we are forced to see what we have created, we give ourselves the opportunity to decide if we want to create something new.

And it happens here on earth: http://www.limitlessness.com/AscensionLie.cfm

The illusion of time (the past is gone and the future isn't here) adds to the fear people feel. That is why dreaming/contemplating is so good because it quiets the mind allowing truth to bubble up and be recognised.

Here is a suggested new model of the world dreamt up by Auron (I quite like it :D):
http://aycu21.webshots.com/image/28940/2003155869693322710_rs.jpg

THANK YOU


Thanks for that ho1ogram, i was just looking at teslafires post about the world expanding, this ties in a little as like you say matter is a by product of consciousness so it stands to reason the further we look into space the bigger it gets- thus the world is actually expanding as a by product of our consciousness doing the same....

i like aurons world too- i'd like to sit on that mushroom like a little pixie!!lol!!! :D

[lottie]

Yep!

http://aycu40.webshots.com/image/29599/2006374512791524094_rs.jpg

As soon as we all learn how to do this. :)


Funny you show that picture Auron- as we were leaving Glastonbury the other day i felt my crown chakra open up (this has only ever happened twice before!) and about half an hr later Mcmenek1 said he could feel his neck tingling (kundahlini? opening/stirring!!) I wondered why at that random time- still have no answer....just something to note down i suppose but your pic looks like how my head felt and mcmeneks neck!! :D

[auron]

Mine opened up 2 years ago. :)

It's great isn't it?? :D

[i am all i am]

I sure hope you are right IAAIA! Sometimes the state of society seems such a vast complex thing we've created that i often wonder how on earth we'll be able to balance ourselves out again- it seems too bigger task...:)

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Lottie.

If you think of it like every human is a domino and we have all fallen over, then this will be easily understood. All it takes is for one domino to stand back up, and then the next domino, and then the next domino, and then the next domino, until all the domino's have stood back up. And as each domino (human) stands back up, then it will be easier and easier for the other domino's to stand back up, for they will have support from the domino's that have already stood back up and lead the way by being an example of what can be done.

Like walking one step at a time, one foot in front of the other, if we stand up one at a time, there will come a point when there are more domino's standing than there are that are still on the ground. When this happens, then there is no power that will be able to stop the process, and it is this tht the NWO, PTB, or whatever you choose to call them, are totally fearful of.

This is when we will be all that we can be, unlimited, totally infinite, creative beings, expressing and experiencing the true nature of Who We Are, LOVE, ALL THAT IS, moment to moment. When we all stand together from this position, then we will create a world of love where everyone individual aspect is free to BE !!!


Do difficult things while they are easy, do great things while they are small. The difficult things in life must once have been easy, the great things must once have been small. A thousand mile journey begins with one step.

We are the example, we are the domino's that have stood back up, and it is our turn to help all others to achieve the same.

Andrew Meyer is another domino that is attempting to stand back up, and it is up to all of us to support him in his stance of freedom to choose to BE all that he can BE !!!


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[auron]

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Lottie.

If you think of it like every human is a domino and we have all fallen over, then this will be easily understood. All it takes is for one domino to stand back up, and then the next domino, and then the next domino, and then the next domino, until all the domino's have stood back up. And as each domino (human) stands back up, then it will be easier and easier for the other domino's to stand back up, for they will have support from the domino's that have already stood back up and lead the way by being an example of what can be done.

Like walking one step at a time, one foot in front of the other, if we stand up one at a time, there will come a point when there are more domino's standing than there are that are still on the ground. When this happens, then there is no power that will be able to stop the process, and it is this tht the NWO, PTB, or whatever you choose to call them, are totally fearful of.

This is when we will be all that we can be, unlimited, totally infinite, creative beings, expressing and experiencing the true nature of Who We Are, LOVE, ALL THAT IS, moment to moment. When we all stand together from this position, then we will create a world of love where everyone individual aspect is free to BE !!!


Do difficult things while they are easy, do great things while they are small. The difficult things in life must once have been easy, the great things must once have been small. A thousand mile journey begins with one step.

We are the example, we are the domino's that have stood back up, and it is our turn to help all others to achieve the same.

Andrew Meyer is another domino that is attempting to stand back up, and it is up to all of us to support him in his stance of freedom to choose to BE all that he can BE !!!


THANK YOU.



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[lottie]

Thanks IAAIA- great analogy there! Hope you are well sweetheart! Things seems to be very clear today- clarity is my word of the day today- things seem to be slippping into place nicely- im seeing things ever so clearly...love it when that happens! :D:)

[qasrose]

This just goes to show you how freedom of speech is a load of crap.!

The guy wasn't starting a riot he was mearly asking a simple question, yet the police couldn't take his question about Skulls lol... Sick

[i am all i am]

Thanks IAAIA- great analogy there! Hope you are well sweetheart! Things seems to be very clear today- clarity is my word of the day today- things seem to be slippping into place nicely- im seeing things ever so clearly...love it when that happens! :D:)

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Lottie.

I am doing great thanks gorgeous. It's good to hear all is well with you.

Thanks for the positiveness, it is appreciated.

Something that I thought of when you were responding about the conciousness raising and helping the earth to expand. I actually think that it is the other way around and that is why the illuminati, etc, are attempting to trash the planet in a vain attempt at stopping us all from waking up and becoming all that we truly are.

I am seeing things clearly,
Because awake I have become,
And I love you dearly,
Because I know we are one.

THANK YOU.



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[auron]

Indeed my friend. Their game is over.

[i am all i am]

Indeed my friend. Their game is over.

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Auron.

yeah, and The Heirarchy Enslaving You (T-H-E-Y) are not happy about it.

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FUCK THEM !!!

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[bigus_dickus]

http://www.thegoodshepherdmovie.com/

http://www.thegoodshepherdmovie.com/images/TGS_splash_HE_final_06.jpg
http://www.thegoodshepherdmovie.com/images/TGS_splash_HE_final_08.jpg
http://www.thegoodshepherdmovie.com/images/TGS_splash_HE_final_15.jpg

it has "scull and bones" in it and a good overview of the CIA story.

:cool:

[warofconsciousn]

Why does my gut instinct say "Psyop"? :confused:
I don't trust the name Meyer.
Maybe I'm way off track here but has anyone else felt that this may have been a tester to see how students would react?

[limelady]

Why does my gut instinct say "Psyop"? :confused:
I don't trust the name Meyer.
Maybe I'm way off track here but has anyone else felt that this may have been a tester to see how students would react?


I have to admit it ran through my mind today also.

[ho1ogram]

I LOVE YOU

Thanks for that ho1ogram, i was just looking at teslafires post about the world expanding, this ties in a little as like you say matter is a by product of consciousness so it stands to reason the further we look into space the bigger it gets- thus the world is actually expanding as a by product of our consciousness doing the same....

i like aurons world too- i'd like to sit on that mushroom like a little pixie!!lol!!! :D

No worries :)
I'll be eating shrooms with IAAIA in a few months to facillitate this:
http://aycu40.webshots.com/image/29599/2006374512791524094_rs.jpg
I'll keep an eye out for any Pixies :D

I am seeing things clearly,
Because awake I have become,
And I love you dearly,
Because I know we are one.

Awesome :)

THANK YOU

[lilly555]

I was watching the local evening news yesterday. I saw two of the local channels' coverage on this story.:rolleyes:

The first went something like this.

"A student was tasered at a John Kerry speech. He was resisting arrest."

I do not remember the other one. It did have the same slant about what happened though. :rolleyes:

[supertzar]

Why does my gut instinct say "Psyop"? :confused:
I don't trust the name Meyer.
Maybe I'm way off track here but has anyone else felt that this may have been a tester to see how students would react?


The other kid that got tasered not too long ago had a name similar to Ahmadinejad...

[albie]

He desereved it. Shouldn't have struggled when they tried to remove him. He was doing it on purpose of course as a prank.

"Help me!"

Faker.

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

He desereved it. Shouldn't have struggled when they tried to remove him. He was doing it on purpose of course as a prank.

"Help me!"

Faker.

You ever been arrested?

[lord largelog]

The tazering in the states is useless all that oooow oooooow oow stuff you should of heard an AAAAARRRRRRGGGGHH and then silence......

[lilly555]

He desereved it. Shouldn't have struggled when they tried to remove him. He was doing it on purpose of course as a prank.

"Help me!"

Faker.

Maybe he was MK'd to do it:eek::eek:

[soglad]

http://arago4.tnw.utwente.nl/stonedead/movies/holy-grail/thumbnails/03-repressed.jpg
"Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system!"

http://www.mwscomp.com/movies/grail/inlines/03_denni.jpg
"Help! Help! I'm being repressed!"

[albie]

You ever been arrested?


Yep.

Didn't struggle. Didn't get hurt.

he was deliberately shouting so he'd be arrested.

[warofconsciousn]

The other kid that got tasered not too long ago had a name similar to Ahmadinejad...

You mean Mostafa Tabatabainejad in the library incident? That's a video nasty isn't it, nothing short of torture really. I have a friend who was at university in California during the 60's, he was studying psychology and one day he and the rest of his group were subjected to what turned out to be a psyop. A gunman entered the room and "shot" one of the students who then "died" on the spot. It wasn't until much later that he found out it had been a set up. At the time it was trauma based mind control, nothing less.

[lifeofbrian]

#132


This is an interesting comment lifeofbrian. System's of control work because people in the lower pecking orders are told where there place is. Has John Kerry announced a press conference to discuss any poossible involvement with secret societies? Do you think the mafia bosses in your example are going to hold a public meeting to discuss their connections to the CIA?

The pyramid of power only works if people 'know their place'.

I don't know how long you have studied 'systems of control'? Or just the effects of the control?

In the next post #133 you write:
G'day teslafire, based on what I know so far I don't think it does. Subjecting someone to electric shocks isn't needed if they cut into line. People cut into line at the supermarket and gigs quite often and I don't feel the need to call for armed thugs to drag them away and pass electric currents through their body.

Maybe only a limited number of people were allowed into the hall and/or to ask questions... perhaps the young man didn't want to rely on the possibility that someone else was going to cut to the heart of the matter and ask if the two major presidential candidants of one of the worlds largest military and economic powers were members of the same secret society.

People are given electric shocks, medicated and sent to psychiatric 'care' for 'stepping out of line', asking the 'wrong' questions at the 'wrong' time and for being 'ever excited'.

The pyramid of power is one based on behavioural control.


Your last sentences.

The pyramid of power only works if people 'know their place'.

The pyramid of power is one based on behavioural control.


I would say the pyramid of power is based on behavioral knowledge. In the so called 'establishment' the study of human behaviour and human nature is referred to as a 'science'. Knowledge is power. The knowledge of human behaviour/nature in various situations is big business; in all areas from cradle to grave.

Yet regular people seem not to know or be fully aware of this, or willing to wake up from how their own reactions more often than not are orchestrated. If somebody knows all about you and your temper, they can potentially control you. If you don't know yourself, you are wide open for outside control. If you on top of that don't know the opponent's nature and temper, you have a double disadvantage.

What I see in this thread are lots of reactions like 'we would never do that, it's wrong, so neither should they' and similar comments based on what regular people would do from their point of view alone, not a balanced conclusion based on knowledge of both human nature/behaviour and the nature/behaviour of a 'system of control/pyramid of power'.

What if those within systems of power truly are psychopaths, with no normal traits like empathy and conscience? We've all heard that power corrupts, right? Greed replaces fairness, for one thing. Being 'important' replaces being 'equal'. 'Might' replaces 'right'.

I wonder; how do people suppose they will change anything if they don't seem to know the first thing about what they are up against, don't know anything about 'their' reactions/nature, and are clueless about themselves?

The populations are played like a fiddle, and are so self-absorbed they can't think straight, just react the way they have been conditioned to react, since time immemorial.

I find it somewhat suspicious that so many 'awakened' people on here fuel the very same thing 'they' would prefer people to be preoccupied with.

[archangel]

When are we supposed to ask political figures tough questions??

Can we call them on the phone??
can we write them letters???
do we make a list of questions that they address on monthly speaches??
Can we go to their house???
Show up at their work???

NO

So Jon Kerry comes to speak to the public. Some guy tries to ask him some tough questions and he gets arrested and tazered.


I originally thought, maybe this guy was really getting out line and causing a scene. But after watching the video that did not happen. He might have started to resist and act up "slightly" once they started escorting him out. But there was NO NEED to even touch him in the 1st place. As he was asking Logical Questions, Speaking Clearly and not using any Vulgar language.

Clearly Abuse of Power.

I guess we don't have free speach anymore.

[soglad]

He was clearly a conspiracy nut, acting aggressively, taking up too much time.

He should have been shot.

Man, what's your problem?

Nobody gets free speech, so he took him opportunity to talk, and got arrested for doing so.

This is fascism.

[lilly555]

He was clearly a conspiracy nut, acting aggressively, taking up too much time.

He should have been shot.


Okay you are offically a troll.:D

[herebynightfall]

The guy could have been a little more calm and less aggressive with his tone of voice.

He could have said "Sir, you clearly won the 2004 election and you have most of America to back you up on that one. And with your political power, of more than half of America having wanted you in power 3 years ago, is it possible that you can help us all out or in anyway affect what this administration is doing with wanting to go into Iran. And also please if you could, since nobody else is answering this question, it has been proven that yourself and the now "president" GWB were in fact part of the underground mason society by the name of "skull & bones" we as people under the rule of people who have been in this association dated years back, have the right to know of what exactly is happening behind the scenes"

something like that... with a calm accepting voice.

NOT YELLING AT MR. KERRY AT THE TOP OF HIS LUNGS LIKE THIS !!

it reminds me of that guy that was hasseling the NYC mayor not long back, and was using unneccessary aggressive reporting strategies, which obviously wont work on people when there are security guards around

[archangel]

He was clearly a conspiracy nut, acting aggressively, taking up too much time.

He should have been shot.


Your entitled to your opinion.

EXPLAIN how he was a NUT?
he was siting references for one of the top research journalists in AMERICA
and then began to ask a question.

What did he do "initially" to act aggressive?
Is speaking with any form of enthusiasm aggression??

[i am all i am]

I LOVE YOU.

I don't know how long you have studied 'systems of control'?

As you say it, for you shall it be.

You express that you don't know, and therefore that is the experience that you are creating.

I would say the pyramid of power is based on behavioral knowledge.

You "would say" or you are saying ???

Wisdom is knowledge in action. A behavior is an action. To control the population, it is required to control the actions of the population through their behavior, which as Ho1ogram said, is behavioral control.

For instance, you have said that you would not speak out at certain times because of what the The Heirarchy Enslaving You (T-H-E-Y) would do to you, therefore, your behavior is controlled = behavioral control.

Knowledge is power.

Knowledge is knowledge and power is power.

If you have knowledge of how to drive a motor vehicle, it does not mean that you have the power. For instance, you may be totally paralysed, and are therefore powerless to act physically despite the knowledge that you have.

If somebody knows all about you and your temper, they can potentially control you.

Everything is choice, so therefore, no one can control you unless you choose to give your power of self-control away.

What I see in this thread are lots of reactions.....

Believing is seeing, so as you believe you will see. This is merely a perception and not necessarily WHAT IS. This is the same reason that two people can give two totally different descriptions of a motor vehicle accident. Your brain is filtering out what you choose not to believe.

What if.....

Yes, indeed.

We've all heard that power corrupts, right?

We've also heard that global warming is caused by CO2 gasses. Merely because we have heard it does not make it fact.

Power is nuetral, neither positive nor negative.

All governments suffer a recurring problem: power attracts pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts, but that power is a magnet to the corruptible. Such people have a tendency to become drunk on violence, a condition to which they are quickly addicted.

Chapterhouse Dune by Frank Herbert

I wonder; how do people.....

If you are wondering how, then you obviously do not know.

I find it somewhat suspicious

To some extent you find something "suspicious"....ahhhhhh, a conspiracy perhaps ???


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#132


I don't know how long you have studied 'systems of control'? Or just the effects of the control?

In the next post #133 you write:



Your last sentences.

The pyramid of power only works if people 'know their place'.

The pyramid of power is one based on behavioural control.


I would say the pyramid of power is based on behavioral knowledge. In the so called 'establishment' the study of human behaviour and human nature is referred to as a 'science'. Knowledge is power. The knowledge of human behaviour/nature in various situations is big business; in all areas from cradle to grave.

Yet regular people seem not to know or be fully aware of this, or willing to wake up from how their own reactions more often than not are orchestrated. If somebody knows all about you and your temper, they can potentially control you. If you don't know yourself, you are wide open for outside control. If you on top of that don't know the opponent's nature and temper, you have a double disadvantage.

What I see in this thread are lots of reactions like 'we would never do that, it's wrong, so neither should they' and similar comments based on what regular people would do from their point of view alone, not a balanced conclusion based on knowledge of both human nature/behaviour and the nature/behaviour of a 'system of control/pyramid of power'.

What if those within systems of power truly are psychopaths, with no normal traits like empathy and conscience? We've all heard that power corrupts, right? Greed replaces fairness, for one thing. Being 'important' replaces being 'equal'. 'Might' replaces 'right'.

I wonder; how do people suppose they will change anything if they don't seem to know the first thing about what they are up against, don't know anything about 'their' reactions/nature, and are clueless about themselves?

The populations are played like a fiddle, and are so self-absorbed they can't think straight, just react the way they have been conditioned to react, since time immemorial.

I find it somewhat suspicious that so many 'awakened' people on here fuel the very same thing 'they' would prefer people to be preoccupied with.
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Thank you for that gobbledygook lifofbrian, it was good for a laugh. Are you a politician or lawyer by any chance?
These were my two questions; Has John Kerry announced a press conference to discuss any possible involvement with secret societies? Do you think the mafia bosses in your example are going to hold a public meeting to discuss their connections to the CIA?

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[matrixcutter]

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it has "scull and bones" in it and a good overview of the CIA story.

:cool:
And someone who represents Kim Philby, according to Phelps.

[ho1ogram]

I LOVE YOU

When are we supposed to ask political figures tough questions??

Can we call them on the phone??
can we write them letters???
do we make a list of questions that they address on monthly speaches??
Can we go to their house???
Show up at their work???

NO

So Jon Kerry comes to speak to the public. Some guy tries to ask him some tough questions and he gets arrested and tazered.


I originally thought, maybe this guy was really getting out line and causing a scene. But after watching the video that did not happen. He might have started to resist and act up "slightly" once they started escorting him out. But there was NO NEED to even touch him in the 1st place. As he was asking Logical Questions, Speaking Clearly and not using any Vulgar language.

Clearly Abuse of Power.

I guess we don't have free speach anymore.

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[lifeofbrian]

Thank you for that gobbledygook lifofbrian, it was good for a laugh. Are you a politician or lawyer by any chance?
These were my two questions; Has John Kerry announced a press conference to discuss any possible involvement with secret societies? Do you think the mafia bosses in your example are going to hold a public meeting to discuss their connections to the CIA?



Errr... Your 'questions' were examples I made to how pointless it is to not know the circumstances and the nature of the people you attempt to 'confront', and 'get answers from'.

Funny was it? I guess it helps being stupid to find any of this 'funny'.

[woghd]

He was clearly a conspiracy nut, acting aggressively, taking up too much time.

He should have been shot.


You gotta be kidding me.
I hope to hell you are trying to be sarcastic,
because that comment is outragious, beyond trolling.

Archangel

[ho1ogram]

I LOVE YOU

Errr... Your 'questions' were examples I made to how pointless it is to not know the circumstances and the nature of the people you attempt to 'confront', and 'get answers from'.

Funny was it? I guess it helps being stupid to find any of this 'funny'.

My questions were examples you made? I'm laughing again :D

So what are the correct nature and circumstances that should be known before someone can ask an illuminati puppet about secret society memberships? Who gets to approve the circumstances under which certain questions are asked and in what manner they are asked? Me? You? Or the state?

THANK YOU

[king]

And no soul resisted against the police's fascism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqAVvlyVbag

that is what is most scary!
no one resisted against those in black uniforms!
but then again, that is how it went some 60 years ago in a different country of Europe.

and judging by remarks of those youtube-ers -- intelligence of populace is the same as intelligence of a turd

BTW, have anyone noticed that SS (SS as in Secret Service) guy behind the cops who got the signal to unleash the dogs... ops the police?

[lifeofbrian]

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My questions were examples you made? I'm laughing again :D

So what are the correct nature and circumstances that should be known before someone can ask an illuminati puppet about secret society memberships? Who gets to approve the circumstances under which certain questions are asked and in what manner they are asked? Me? You? Or the state?



Sorry, I can't think for you. Not my job.

[i am all i am]

Sorry, I can't think for you. Not my job.

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Lifeofbrian.

Does this mean that you are actually employed, that is, have a "job", to think for others and are not employed (paid $$$) by Ho1ogram and that is why you will not answer the questions that he has asked you ???

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[lifeofbrian]

[B][SIZE="4"]G'day Lifeofbrian.

Does this mean that you are actually employed, that is, have a "job", to think for others and are not employed (paid $$$) by Ho1ogram and that is why you will not answer the questions that he has asked you ???

Jesus Christ, are you people for real? Or just getting a kick out of trying to wind others up?

My job is not to think for any other human being.

If hologram can't read back and see wtf people are actually saying, that is his problem, not mine.

D-o. Y-o-u. U-n-d-e-r-s-t-a-n-d. T-h-a-t.?

Now get off my back, you big egomaniac.

[herebynightfall]

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[bicycle]

Jesus Christ, are you people for real? Or just getting a kick out of trying to wind others up?

My job is not to think for any other human being.

If hologram can't read back and see wtf people are actually saying, that is his problem, not mine.

D-o. Y-o-u. U-n-d-e-r-s-t-a-n-d. T-h-a-t.?

Now get off my back, you big egomaniac.

LMAO:D

[lilly555]

What kind of peace forum is this?:eek:

Oh yeah I also wanted to add to what I wrote earlier.

I was watching the local evening news yesterday. I saw two of the local channels' coverage on this story.:rolleyes:

The first went something like this.

"A student was tasered at a John Kerry speech. He was resisting arrest."

I do not remember the other one. It did have the same slant about what happened though. :rolleyes:


They also said, "John Kerry said that they (the police) didn't have to taser the kid and he could have handled the situation himself."

So basiclly the way that the local media spinned it was that the student was unruly and resisting and that John Kerry could have handled any question that the kid could ask.

I bet that Kerry and his crew specifically had this tasering policy agreed with the Police Department, that way isn't asked the tough questions and he comes off looking like he has nothing to hide.

[edelweiss pirate]

great, another thread on its way to the rant room..

c'mon guys just chillax will ya?

It does show what an evil fuck Kerry is. Didn't he actually say "I'm just going to answer this while that kid gets tazered at the back..." and he carried on talking.. Why didn't the fucker use his clout and stop it! FFS. Sorry 'bout the swearing but Kerry is a Ku*t. Shame on the fecker.

[nickatnoon61]

Yep!

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As soon as we all learn how to do this. :)

Kool pic, auron! :cool: This is what we have to develop, to ascend from this hell-hole!!!!! :eek:

[nickatnoon61]

What kind of peace forum is this?:eek:




I bet that Kerry and his crew specifically had this tasering policy agreed with the Police Department, that way isn't asked the tough questions and he comes off looking like he has nothing to hide. EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GOING TO ADD,lilly. Do you think there is any fair debate with these Reptiles and their hired dumbed-down goons???? Here is another opinion. I only read a sentence and I knew what he was going to say!!! Anyone who defends/helps someone who is being traumatized by another is arrested or harrassed by the PIGS. I know this from experience!!! WE HAVE BEEN LIVING IN A POLICE STATE, AT LEAST BEFORE I WAS BORN, AND IT IS GETTING WORSE!!!


Why onlookers did nothing

Let me just first say in no way I am trying to toot my own horn. About 4 years ago when I was living in Orlando I was grocery shopping with my wife and 1 year old daughter. We went to the meat counter to pick up some steaks. We took a number and started to wait our turn when I first noticed the small crowd acting a little strange. My ears tuned into what had been going on before we arrived. It was a "gangsta dude" with his pants hanging off his ass shouting names, obscenities and death threats at two young women. My reaction was to tap the guy on the shoulder and tell him he was way out of line. He threatened me but walked away fairly quickly after I told him what I was going to do if he didn't leave. I noticed after the "gentleman" left and the situation was over a few of the "men" that were there when the whole thing started told me what they were "gonna" do. The point of the matter is NO ONE would have done anything. And after what happened next I can see why. I was approached by the off duty police person hired for security and was told I could go to jail because I tapped the young man on the shoulder to get his attention and that is an assault.
The bottom line is people are afraid to do what is right because they are the ones that have to defend themselves in court. Paying huge legal fees for the interest of people they don't know (C.Y.A.- cover your ass.)
Looking back I'm surprised I wasn't tased for the things I said to that cop. I can make good use of the "F" word when provoked, badge or no badge. I don't agree with the CYA attitude, but I do understand.

[woghd]

EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GOING TO ADD,lilly. Do you think there is any fair debate with these Reptiles and their hired dumbed-down goons???? Here is another opinion. I only read a sentence and I knew what he was going to say!!! Anyone who defends/helps someone who is being traumatized by another is arrested or harrassed by the PIGS. I know this from experience!!! WE HAVE BEEN LIVING IN A POLICE STATE, AT LEAST BEFORE I WAS BORN, AND IT IS GETTING WORSE!!!



Guys- we are all in the deepest of shit.
Things in our world could not be more wrong, and we could not be in more danger as a species.
We need to come together.
We need to do it NOW.

Archangel

[woghd]

I bet that Kerry and his crew specifically had this tasering policy agreed with the Police Department, that way isn't asked the tough questions and he comes off looking like he has nothing to hide.

How else could the whole thing have played out the way it did? I would say that this is obvious. I'm sure Kerry's security people had a nice long talk with the police about what to do when who said what...

Archangel

[oneofmany]

I LOVE YOU.


Here's a policemans reply just in on youtube...

Yea I'm all for free speech and I will take whatever you all have to say about Bush, but seriously, don't point the finger at the cops, dont make them out to be the bad guy because we protect all of you no matter if your liberal, conservative, black, white, whatever.Keep this shit up making us out to be the bad guys and you never know one day we may not give a shit about your "liberties" and it will all be because of the things YOU (liberals) do.


Yeah, like they didn't assault him and then send an electric shock through his body, they were actually protecting his rights...get fucked !!!

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I wouldn't expect anything less from America's finest. Land of the free :o what a sweet line of bullshit they sell.

[oneofmany]

Does anybody know if the mainstream media showed all of the video(The question he ask)?I know in Australia, they showed 30 seconds of it and talked over what the guy had to say, dubbing in their own politically correct bullshit.

[i am all i am]

Jesus Christ, are you people for real? Or just getting a kick out of trying to wind others up?

My job is not to think for any other human being.

If hologram can't read back and see wtf people are actually saying, that is his problem, not mine.

D-o. Y-o-u. U-n-d-e-r-s-t-a-n-d. T-h-a-t.?

Now get off my back, you big egomaniac.

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Lifeofbrian.

Would the not knowing you are describing in this quote also apply to your above post ???

I wonder; how do people suppose they will change anything if they don't seem to know the first thing about what they are up against, don't know anything about 'their' reactions/nature, and are clueless about themselves?

David Icke has exposed what we are "up against" many times over in the books that he has written. You appear to have missed this in relationship to what has happened to Andrew Meyer and are merely following the herd mentality of not speaking out or doing anything about it as your comments have shown.

There's a time and place for everything.

Andrew Meyer chose his time and place. I for one, support his stance in choosing to speak out, and would stand shoulder to shoulder with him to guarentee his right to do so, no matter what threat The Heirarchy Enslaving You makes.

If you ever decide to do the same, it would be of benefit for you if there are others around that would do the same for you, and not allow police to assault you, taser you, ad UNLAWFULLY arrest you for speaking out in the manner that you have chosen o do so.

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[nickatnoon61]

That makes me feel sick.

The NWO in action!
Me too LL. When I see what the uniform represents, it pushes all of my buttons!!! If those fat stupid pigs are human, then I AM A DIFFERENT SPECIES ALTOGETHER!!!

[nickatnoon61]

Maybe he was MK'd to do it:eek::eek:
That is a good point lilly...of the valley!!! :p I keep forgetting to add that to the equation. I always think it is just the pigs who are the MKs,as there are many out there, also.But I never considered the so-called victim, as to be one.

[xdnax]

Great find

Vote for me http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9818

that is sooooooooooooooooooo "youtube" lmfao

i remember watchin a vid bout chris benoit murdering his kid and wife then himself, and someone commented "wow! what a GREAT vid! check out my site (blah blah blah") :rolleyes:

the "rodney king! rodney king!" comment was so right.

there is nothing really wrong that he did, if america is a "democracy"......makes me laugh, cos our media in the uk is persistently going on bout how bad a dictaorship it is in zimbabwe at the moment. ....well what the fuck... isnt this a display of such a state aswell???

all credit to the guy the way he came across, he sounded like a complete pro.

[xdnax]

great, another thread on its way to the rant room..

c'mon guys just chillax will ya?

It does show what an evil fuck Kerry is. Didn't he actually say "I'm just going to answer this while that kid gets tazered at the back..." and he carried on talking.. Why didn't the fucker use his clout and stop it! FFS. Sorry 'bout the swearing but Kerry is a Ku*t. Shame on the fecker.

so fucking right man. he's like "yeah its no problem that you ask such a question, and i shall answer......while u get tasered to fuck for your actions!"

its bollocks.

i agree 100%.

more footage.

sorry if its been put up already.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=V8ndctwAJmU

and the meeeeeeeeeeeeeeediaaaaaaaaaaaaaa coverage. what the fuck did he say news lady??

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bYsUG7TpkuY

[anoninnyc]

great, another thread on its way to the rant room..

c'mon guys just chillax will ya?

It does show what an evil fuck Kerry is. Didn't he actually say "I'm just going to answer this while that kid gets tazered at the back..." and he carried on talking.. Why didn't the fucker use his clout and stop it! FFS. Sorry 'bout the swearing but Kerry is a Ku*t. Shame on the fecker.

well said. now the reports of this kid are saying that he is a known prankster- but so what??? what does that have to do w anything?

[auron]

What fucking gets to me is how long they zap them for. I've seen a few, and they keep it zapping for ages! They are evil fucks, and they must be getting some kind of sick pleasure out of doing it. :mad:

[limelady]

You know, I think this was just the beginning of more to come. I've been saying for a long time that the whole pyramid of cards is going to come crumbling down in the years leading up to 2012.

The evil is starting to break out of people, showing its true colours for all so see. Thanks to the Internet and the fast spread of information, we are ALL getting to witness these events as they unfold. I predict there's going to be a lot more of this nasty shite, because to me it seems like the dark just can't hide from the light anymore - the muck (the dark/shadow side of humanity) is starting to errupt out, and this is all going to be quite horrible to watch, but on a frequency/energy level (spiritual level) its all good, because people are going to get to see this darkness for what it REALLY is....and its all part of the deep cleansing humanity needs to undertake in order to re-stand the human dominos.....to use one of IAAIA's analogies here.

As shocking as this incident was, I see something positive coming from it, in that with every act of violence we witness against another fellow human, the more people are going to take notice and say, "hey, there is something very wrong here" and start wiping the scales from their eyes to confront the reality of the Police state they are already living in. You HAVE to know what is wrong and what you are up against (and think about what you don't want) to truly be able to make a decision to change things to the way you DO want them. Because of that video clip, I feel a whole lot more people now KNOW what it is we're all facing.....a wake-up call if you like.

Hopefully it won't be too long before those who KNOW we need to change will stand shoulder to shoulder enmass as they leave this darkness behind them for good.

[bigus_dickus]

video of dork being tasered by a bunch of women and geeky police officers has made it to the mainstream media.

[montag]

video of dork being tasered by a bunch of women and geeky police officers has made it to the mainstream media.
Whatever you think of this guy or his actions, he managed to get skull and bones and the stolen election mentioned in the MSN worldwide, thats a great achievement..

[nickatnoon61]

I was watching the local evening news yesterday. I saw two of the local channels' coverage on this story.:rolleyes:

The first went something like this.

"A student was tasered at a John Kerry speech. He was resisting arrest."

I do not remember the other one. It did have the same slant about what happened though. :rolleyes:

lilly, another newscast could go like this..."the police fired 6 warning shots into the fugitive's back!" Now here's Dick with the weather"........:eek:

[bigus_dickus]

Whatever you think of this guy or his actions, he managed to get skull and bones and the stolen election mentioned in the MSN worldwide, thats a great achievement..

yeah well.. i wonder if he got to grab some police boobs in the process :D

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I LOVE YOU.

More people speaking out.....

1) FREEDOM OF SPEECH?

Meyer used the mic for 1 min 27 seconds!

2) Resisting unlawful orders?

SUPREME COURT RULINGS:

"An illegal arrest is an assault & battery. The person so attempted to be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and battery" State v Robinson 145 ME 77, 72 ATL 260

"Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary. Plummer v State 136 Ind 306

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YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

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YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

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Everyone who has been tasered so far needs to get together and start a law suit - claiming that after all the cases of people dying from being tasered that they had heard about, and then having being tasered themselves, has ruined there lives because they have been so traumatised by the experience, they can't leave the house anymore.

[i am all i am]

You know, I think this was just the beginning of more to come. I've been saying for a long time that the whole pyramid of cards is going to come crumbling down in the years leading up to 2012.

The evil is starting to break out of people, showing its true colours for all so see. Thanks to the Internet and the fast spread of information, we are ALL getting to witness these events as they unfold. I predict there's going to be a lot more of this nasty shite, because to me it seems like the dark just can't hide from the light anymore - the muck (the dark/shadow side of humanity) is starting to errupt out, and this is all going to be quite horrible to watch, but on a frequency/energy level (spiritual level) its all good, because people are going to get to see this darkness for what it REALLY is....and its all part of the deep cleansing humanity needs to undertake in order to re-stand the human dominos.....to use one of IAAIA's analogies here.

As shocking as this incident was, I see something positive coming from it, in that with every act of violence we witness against another fellow human, the more people are going to take notice and say, "hey, there is something very wrong here" and start wiping the scales from their eyes to confront the reality of the Police state they are already living in. You HAVE to know what is wrong and what you are up against (and think about what you don't want) to truly be able to make a decision to change things to the way you DO want them. Because of that video clip, I feel a whole lot more people now KNOW what it is we're all facing.....a wake-up call if you like.

Hopefully it won't be too long before those who KNOW we need to change will stand shoulder to shoulder enmass as they leave this darkness behind them for good.

I LOVE YOU.

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[orgo knight]

What fucking gets to me is how long they zap them for. I've seen a few, and they keep it zapping for ages! They are evil fucks, and they must be getting some kind of sick pleasure out of doing it. :mad:

I noticed that also. They zapped the poor guy for ages. They sure are shithead losers:mad:

[ho1ogram]

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Sorry, I can't think for you. Not my job.

G'day lifeofbrian, I didn't ask you to think for me (*edit* - I already said that I think people can ask questions whenever they wish and however they want). You said, "There's a time and place for everything." You must have already thought about it to know this, so why don't you post what you think is the time and the place to ask John Kerry questions?

If hologram can't read back and see wtf people are actually saying, that is his problem, not mine.
No problems here :) I went back and read what some people said and I noticed that P R S and psyops was mentioned. Here are some examples that are in place now:

P R S

PROBLEM - The US electoral system is a scam. Both parties have the same masters and do not give a fuck about the people but only their own selfish interests.

REACTION - We the people have had enough of being lied to and told that our elected representatives have our best interests at heart.

SOLUTION - Stand up and speak out. This can be done at any time and at any place, a particularly good time and place is when a senior puppet is speaking at your school.

PSY OPS
- Litter the world with cctv cameras, security guards, police, armies etc, in an attempt to project fear so that people don't speak up or help out when another person is being violated.

- Make people feel intellectually inferior and helpless so that fewer people have the courage to be the nail that sticks out in a room full of lapdogs.

To paraphrase David Icke, "it is all a game and we can change it anytime we like, it's simply a choice between fear and love."

THANK YOU

[nickatnoon61]

A comment from a friend of mine...Nick.
This WAS a put on. This student must have EVEN practiced for a Taser 'job', why not? Common these days. He wanted to expose PUBLICLY the scumbag Kerry for what the traitor COWARD is, and he accomplished it, INTERNATIONALLY; rubbed one sore about Kerry's lame duck surrender to Dubya on 2000, while the CFR traitor kept moaning 'i can explain'... but never even TRIED; and last but not least, the student hit the nail square when he asked about 'hero' Kerry's Skull & Bones affiliation, or, the NAKED MUD BATH in a coffin to assure a hit at the presidency years later, similar to Dubya's....

THEN AND ONLY THEN, DID THE PACK OF ATTACK DOGS jumped him... most likely, NOT on their own, but from orders by Kerry's handlers, while el-Moaner kept mumbling 'i can explain', but NEVER uttered a word to answer or stop the attack, even when the thugs were mishandling the noisy youth on the floor.... Matter of fact, Muddy Kerry was SAVED and RELIEVED to have the youth removed.

The thugs are just THAT, THUGS trained and ordained into BLIND OBEDIENCE to the incumbents, and excuse themselves under the RULES of their employers, NOT the constitutional rights of the people, FAR MORE IMPORTANT than that of ANY PUPPET of the CFR, or any other UNAMERICAN institution.

Long gone are the days when cops DID THEIR JOB and walked the beat to PROTECT THE PEOPLE, their FEEDERS. Today, they are ROBOTS at the BLIND service of the State and fully ARMED for WAR against the People. And as ARROGANT and CONCEITED as they can be.

The student deserves a MEDAL for GUTS AND SERVICE TO HIS COUNTRY, UNDER ATACK BY KERRY AND EVERY OTHER CFR-ZION-NWO BUTT KISSER, risking possibly even sudden death with a Taser. The Campus SECURITY attackers deserve to be sued and kicked out of the institution, PAID FOR WITH ROBBED TAXES anyway, and the CFR marionette, the LAMEST of ALL, Muddy-Past Kerry, be made to ANSWER all the questions asked by the student, in a public forum, on national TV, Prime Time. With rights to post it on the internet afterwards. h.

[peachped]

"The student deserves a MEDAL for GUTS AND SERVICE TO HIS COUNTRY, UNDER ATACK BY KERRY AND EVERY OTHER CFR-ZION-NWO BUTT KISSER, risking possibly even sudden death with a Taser. The Campus SECURITY attackers deserve to be sued and kicked out of the institution, PAID FOR WITH ROBBED TAXES anyway, and the CFR marionette, the LAMEST of ALL, Muddy-Past Kerry, be made to ANSWER all the questions asked by the student, in a public forum, on national TV, Prime Time. With rights to post it on the internet afterwards. h."

:D

http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/breaking/104221.html

[mr_moon]

I believe we are beginning to see 'The Light shining in the Dark...'

[teslafire]

http://www.dont-taze-me-bro.com/

[whitenight639]

http://www.dont-taze-me-bro.com/

LMAO :p :)

[auron]

As above. :D

[joss classey]

nothing bad has come from this. all it has done is expose the police state even further

worthy i say

[i am all i am]

I LOVE YOU.

Here's a video footage from right beside Andrew Meyer as he is asking his questions. You can here the police talk to him from this clearly.....

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=IATPoHdpak0

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[i am all i am]

I LOVE YOU.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HoReiKdLkh8&mode=related&search=

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I LOVE YOU.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6zZbBcr0diY&mode=related&search=

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=L3cigThe2jE

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=58sQzj3HzAI&mode=related&search=

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_i1kYx8afA&mode=related&search=

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rmJ9_7Cfzxo&mode=related&search=


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[i am all i am]

I LOVE YOU.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vNx28N-O9wg&mode=related&search=

THANK YOU.



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[sunyatta60]

his video shows that Americans are AFRAID to do a thing.
Take a look at their faces - some people were smiling and NOONE tried to fight with cops.


I think you would find that in Europe people would also resist and come to the youngsters aid. This would be doubtful in the UK because the English attitude is f*** you Jack I am all right. What does that say about the mentality of the kissing cousins? No not Bush and Kerry silly, but the American and British people?
What this indicates to me is that the Americans and the British are those who are most heavily indoctrinated by the Elite who are running the show.
I guess this guy said it best :)

GO BACK TO BED AMERICA,
YOUR GOVERNMENT IS IN CONTROL AGAIN.
GO BACK TO BED AMERICA...
YOU ARE FREE TO DO AS WE TELL YOU...
YOU ARE FREE TO DO AS WE TELL YOU...
BILL HICKS (1961-1994)

[lifeofbrian]

G'day lifeofbrian, I didn't ask you to think for me (*edit* - I already said that I think people can ask questions whenever they wish and however they want). You said, "There's a time and place for everything." You must have already thought about it to know this, so why don't you post what you think is the time and the place to ask John Kerry questions?

I could mention not only thinking of it but having experienced it during the 25 years of activism I've been involved with and the method of trial and error.

Seeing as we're on the DI site here, how does David Icke relate to people and their questions? And that's questions from people on his side, for crying out loud. :)

Why don't you send Kerry an e-mail or set up a petition declaring 'people have a need to know', and ship to him?


No problems here :) I went back and read what some people said and I noticed that P R S and psyops was mentioned. Here are some examples that are in place now:

P R S

PROBLEM - The US electoral system is a scam. Both parties have the same masters and do not give a fuck about the people but only their own selfish interests.

REACTION - We the people have had enough of being lied to and told that our elected representatives have our best interests at heart.

SOLUTION - Stand up and speak out. This can be done at any time and at any place, a particularly good time and place is when a senior puppet is speaking at your school.

PSY OPS
- Litter the world with cctv cameras, security guards, police, armies etc, in an attempt to project fear so that people don't speak up or help out when another person is being violated.

- Make people feel intellectually inferior and helpless so that fewer people have the courage to be the nail that sticks out in a room full of lapdogs.

To paraphrase David Icke, "it is all a game and we can change it anytime we like, it's simply a choice between fear and love."


No-one can make anyone feel inferior without their consent. I don't agree with your examples.

[woghd]

I just got my "don't taze me, bro" T-shirt from
tshirthell.com
and I'll be wearing it to the protest!

Archangel

[ho1ogram]

I LOVE YOU

I could mention not only thinking of it but having experienced it during the 25 years of activism I've been involved with and the method of trial and error.

G'day lifeofbrian.
So after twenty five years of thought and experience, will you now post what you feel is the 'correct time and place' to ask questions?

Seeing as we're on the DI site here, how does David Icke relate to people and their questions? And that's questions from people on his side, for crying out loud. :)
I don't know... how does David Icke relate to people and their questions?
There are no sides. There is only One of us. One expressed through many different forms. The aspect of Oneness known as Andrew Meyer chose his time and place to express himself. (The cops obviously didn't like the part of themselves called Andrew Meyer... at least not in the manner that he was expressing himself... so they tried to 'correct' that part of themselves that they didn't like... by physically assualting him.)

Why don't you send Kerry an e-mail or set up a petition declaring 'people have a need to know', and ship to him?

Because I choose not to. It sounds like a good idea though; to petition Kerry to answer Andrew Meyer's questions. Kerry said in the vid that he would answer them. Maybe someone in the US would like to start one. A well worded petition with links to the video could raise awareness of the fact that the two dominant parties are opposames that dance to the same tune. Here's a search link for free online petitions if anyone is interested: http://www.ask.com/web?q=Free+Online+Petition&qsrc=6&o=0&l=dir

No-one can make anyone feel inferior without their consent. I don't agree with your examples.
Good point. What is it about the other two examples that you don't agree with?

THANK YOU

[albie]

I LOVE YOU.


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You don't love me. You love the idea of loving me. You are loving nothing but an image in your mind.

[auron]

Mate, were you ever hugged as a child??

[lifeofbrian]

G'day lifeofbrian.
So after twenty five years of thought and experience, will you now post what you feel is the 'correct time and place' to ask questions?

That depends on the issue and the forum. Discernment is used, and trained non-violent protesters never fall for or respond to abuse of any kind. Actions are never in response to something in the media, but set up due to research and initiated independently. Information is spread continuously and quietly amongst the population at large, again never as a reaction but as an independent initiative.

Boycotts and sanctions are encouraged and used as they have proven much more effective than screaming and shouting like primitives outside - or inside - some building.

At times we buy boats and escort whalers to remind them that everything they do is being recorded and we have set up dolphin rescue centres around the world. Just to mention a couple of things.

We belong to no single organisation and we are everywhere globally.

Peaceful people actually doing something and simultaneously trying to inform others of another - peaceful - way. Actions speak louder than words - "I love you Thank you" - mate.


I don't know... how does David Icke relate to people and their questions?
There are no sides. There is only One of us. One expressed through many different forms. The aspect of Oneness known as Andrew Meyer chose his time and place to express himself. (The cops obviously didn't like the part of themselves called Andrew Meyer... at least not in the manner that he was expressing himself... so they tried to 'correct' that part of themselves that they didn't like... by physically assualting him.)

Premium Subscribers (people who pay David Icke) get to add their questions in advance; the questions are then screened.

Nice belief-in-a-nutshell. Maybe you are right.

Because I choose not to. It sounds like a good idea though; to petition Kerry to answer Andrew Meyer's questions. Kerry said in the vid that he would answer them. Maybe someone in the US would like to start one. A well worded petition with links to the video could raise awareness of the fact that the two dominant parties are opposames that dance to the same tune. Here's a search link for free online petitions if anyone is interested: http://www.ask.com/web?q=Free+Online+Petition&qsrc=6&o=0&l=dir


Good point. What is it about the other two examples that you don't agree with?

There are more reactions and solutions than you seem to mention.

[ho1ogram]

I LOVE YOU

That depends on the issue and the forum. Discernment is used, and trained non-violent protesters never fall for or respond to abuse of any kind. Actions are never in response to something in the media, but set up due to research and initiated independently. Information is spread continuously and quietly amongst the population at large, again never as a reaction but as an independent initiative.

Boycotts and sanctions are encouraged and used as they have proven much more effective than screaming and shouting like primitives outside - or inside - some building.

At times we buy boats and escort whalers to remind them that everything they do is being recorded and we have set up dolphin rescue centres around the world. Just to mention a couple of things.

We belong to no single organisation and we are everywhere globally.

Peaceful people actually doing something and simultaneously trying to inform others of another - peaceful - way. Actions speak louder than words - "I love you Thank you" - mate.

This is the forum and this is the issue:

Student tasered for asking John Kerry about skulls

You said there is a time and place for everything... so in your opinion what is the time and place for asking John Kerry questions about Skull and Bones?

There are more reactions and solutions than you seem to mention.

...but do you agree with the ones that I mentioned?

P R S

PROBLEM - The US electoral system is a scam. Both parties have the same masters and do not give a fuck about the people but only their own selfish interests.

REACTION - We the people have had enough of being lied to and told that our elected representatives have our best interests at heart.

SOLUTION - Stand up and speak out. This can be done at any time and at any place, a particularly good time and place is when a senior puppet is speaking at your school.

PSY OPS
- Litter the world with cctv cameras, security guards, police, armies etc, in an attempt to project fear so that people don't speak up or help out when another person is being violated.

THANK YOU

[i am all i am]

You don't love me. You love the idea of loving me. You are loving nothing but an image in your mind.

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Albie.

Not only do I love the idea of loving you, I love Who You Truly Are, an individuated aspect of ALL THAT IS.

I love the fact that you can show what not to BE at the same time as I am loving Who You Truly Are.

I love the image that you portray and the image that I recognise as the past aspect of Who You have chosen to BE. For to be able to see the image that re-presents Who You Truly Are, I realise that it takes times for the light to traverse to the physical image that re-presents Who I Am, and therefore, it is a past representation, and not Who You Truly Are, but merely an aspect of your infinite self expressed and experienced from a previous understanding.

I love you Albie, for I understand that ultimately you are me and I am you, for we are one, and oness is ALL THAT IS, expressed and experienced throughout the infinity of All That We Are, Life itself mainfested moment to moment, a living example of LOVE.

THANK YOU.



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[lifeofbrian]

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This is the forum and this is the issue:



You said there is a time and place for everything... so in your opinion what is the time and place for asking John Kerry questions about Skull and Bones?



...but do you agree with the ones that I mentioned?



THANK YOU

Look, it doesn't matter what I say. You'll do what everyone else does anyway. You'll act like the folks you oppose. You'll become whatever you fight, and then you spend the rest of your lives placing blame on 'them'.

Seen it before, tired of it. History repeating, again and again. Whatever I say will never make a difference.

You do 'your thing' and I'll move on.

It's all good.

Take care.

[ho1ogram]

I LOVE YOU

G'day lifeofbrian,
are you able to quote me in this thread to show that I have been involved in a fight? If you think I am fighting something then that is your perception and perception is a state of mind. So any fight must be occuring in your mind.
There was an interesting conversation I once heard between a spiritual master and his student in India. At one point the student looked at this master and he said, "I don't know about you. You must live in a different world." And the master said, "No. We live in exactly the same world. The only difference is you see yourself in the world, and I see the whole world in myself. It's a minor perceptual shift that you need to make."
http://************************.org/viewtopic.php?t=207

Look, it doesn't matter what I say....Whatever I say will never make a difference.


As i am all i am said earlier "As you say it, for you shall it be."

Your words don't matter to me. My thoughts, my words and my actions create my reality. Your thoughts, your words and your actions create your reality. :cool: Be well.

THANK YOU