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orlibonurb

05-01-2010, 12:15 AM

Gnosticism Exposed
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

From the old Mystery Religions to the New Age. Simply stated, Gnosticism is the Serpent's lie. Prominent features today are the spark of divinity within all living creatures; a mystical fall from the tree of life and gradual re-ascension through the mastery of special knowledge; initiation and guidance to that inner truth through the serpent's wisdom; periodic appearance of messianic guidance; and the vilification of the Creator. The Gnostic Institute of Anthropology advertises: "Man know thyself, and thou wilt know the Gods of the Universe" Contemporary examples are Freemasonry, Rosicrucianism, Sufism, and Cabalism.

Excerpt from Hollywood War on God with Pastor Joe Shimmel from Good Fight Ministries.
http://www.goodfight.org/

2 Corinthians 11:13-15 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

orlibonurb

05-01-2010, 12:35 AM

Gnostic Monica Dennington Exposed and Refuted.
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

turquoisefire777

05-01-2010, 10:44 PM

true gnostism was infiltrated and demonised a long time ago.

have a read around www.canng.com

orlibonurb

08-01-2010, 12:13 AM

The Tree of Gnosis
http://www.xrevelator.com/occult/gnosis/gnosis.htm

In the beginning, there was an evil tree, right in the garden of Eden. The tree was called the knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 2:17). It was called as such not because of knowledge but because of a coded signature of an evil entity. In this tree, there was a beast known as the serpent or Satan. Whoever eats the fruit of this tree, he shall surely die. This tree is symbolic of death.

In order to derive the code, we need to find the meaning of “knowledge” according to the context. The verb “to know” in the scriptures is often used to denote sexual union (Genesis 4:1). Therefore, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is “the tree of the union of the positive (good) and the negative (evil) aspects.” The evil tree has a dualistic nature being unified as one.

The term Gnostic comes from the Greek word “gnosis” meaning “knowledge” or to unify the opposite aspects.

“The Goal of Gnostic initiation was, likewise, to bring the lower self into union with the higher self, for, it is when they are made one that enlightenment occurs.” - Iranaues (130-202 CE) and Valentinus (100-180 CE)

“In the World of Briah, in Daath, is the union of god the mother, god the father, but of the union of the feminine aspect of the three, and the masculine aspect of the three.” – Gnostic Kabbalah

"Valentinus, Egyptian religious philosopher, founder of Roman and Alexandrian schools of Gnosticism, a system of religious dualism (belief in rival deities of good and evil) with a doctrine of salvation by gnōsis, or esoteric knowledge." - Encyclopedia Britannica

“Ophite (from Greek ophis, “serpent”), member of any of several Gnostic sects that flourished in the Roman Empire during the 2nd century ad and for several centuries thereafter. Only gnosis, the esoteric knowledge of good and evil, can redeem man from the bonds of matter and make him aware of the *unknown god who is the true source of all being.” – Encyclopedia Britannica

*serpent/Satan

Gnosticism is merely the mystical/esoteric union of the opposite aspects (dualism) which follows the biblical tree of the serpent (ophis) of the knowledge of good and evil (Gnosis). According to witchcraft, their god is what man is, male and female, a bisexual; as above, so below, as in the natural, so in the spiritual. We see the coded evil serpentine tree being the main theme of Gnosticism and witchcraft.

A graphical example can be observed in this Satanic Baphomet, the goat idol. We see a concentration of the union of the opposite aspects.

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/5921/baphometlabel2.jpg

As in the Light, so in the Darkness
As it is Animal, so it is Human
As in your Right, so on your Left
As it is Naked, so it is Clothed
As it is Dissolve, so it is Coagulate
As it is Sky, so it is Sea
As it is Male, so it is Female
As it is Earth, so it is Air
As it is Water, so it is Fire
As it is a Fish, so it is a Bird
As it is Hot, so it is Cold
As it is the Truth, so it is the Lie
As it is Forward, so it is Backward
As it is Spirit, so it is Flesh
As in the Natural, so in the Spiritual
As Above, so Below
As in Heaven, so on Earth

In order to understand the deeper things of Satanism and its branches, we must familiarize ourselves with this simple Gnostic formula as indicated above. Once you have grasped this simple concept, you are now able to see how evil works and perceive the hidden things of witchcraft. All things pertaining to the coming future can be known and secret codes broken, as I will demonstrate later.

The scripture is very familiar with this ancient Gnostic concept. As it is written:

Exodus 20:4 (Revised Standard Version)

"You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath”

In its simplicity, idolatry is the worship of Satan, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil - the tree of Gnosis.

http://www.xrevelator.com/occult/gnosis/images/serpenttree.jpg

tannah

08-01-2010, 01:00 AM

Isn't the Apocryphon of John Gnostic text and belief?

We find Orli playing God yet again. Well, what else can you do eh?
And man, look at them horns!

There's muck a plenty. Just go out and look for it, and have a nice life.:D

But luckily, there's a fair few here that know the fued between gnosticism and biblianity goes back a long way.

And isn't this next bit what it all really hinges on?

In its simplicity, idolatry is the worship of Satan, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil - the tree of Gnosis.

Idolatry is any form that comes from the imagination and creates an
attachment.

Do you not see how full of this knowledge of good and evil you come accross as possessing? Who is it that has fallen victim to those fruits of the spirit?
People become obessesed with good and evil becuase they have a deep desire to judge, humanity and all. One can't judge without have the knowledge of good and evil. As soon as you judge another you have shown that you have knowledge of good and evil, right and wrong.

It would be ok for God to judge, if God is Unconditional Love. And if God is this UL, it wouldn't take more than a brain cell to realize what God's judgment on us is.......

So here's the dilemma and the paradox Orli....you show all the signs of being this satan worshipping idolizer that you judge the world as. Poor go at being God man. When you can say you and God are at One, then maybe you've also been given the right to judge.

torus

08-01-2010, 01:31 AM

orlibonurb

08-01-2010, 02:29 AM

freeman craig

08-01-2010, 02:30 AM

Isn't the Apocryphon of John Gnostic text and belief ?

yep it certainity is and was probably written by mary magdalene (jesus's wife) whilst in Egypt. After they fleed there in 60ad after the romans expelled all jews from Israel.its quite ironic that people preach jesus's words from the St pauls/saul religion not understanding that wasnt jesus's church and they were in fact enemies but hey ho each to there own i guess.

freeman craig

08-01-2010, 02:43 AM

great quote torus

old major

08-01-2010, 02:49 AM

I always thought gnosticism was pretty simple,

Jehovah is an asshole and there is a better God than him.

That's gnosticism in a nutshell, Orli.

orlibonurb

08-01-2010, 02:51 AM

Genesis 1:26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
New Living Translation

let US make man in OUR image, in OUR likeness. sorry....this SINGULAR, JEALOUS, POSSESSIVE, WRATHFUL, INTOLERANT, bi-polar "god" (thou shalt have no other "gods" before ME!!!!!!!!) would NOT have allowed this pluralism!!!

great quote torus

Oh yeah ? Let's see if it's THAT great.

You Can Prove What Elohim Means
http://www.wcg.org/lit/God/canprove.htm

In Genesis 1:26, God says, "Let us make man in our image." "Let us...." Does this mean that there is more than one God? Some say yes. They say that the Hebrew word elohim is a plural noun, showing that there is more than one God. Yet the Hebrew Bible plainly quotes God as saying that there is only one God. "I am God," he says, "and there is no other" (Isaiah 45:22). God does not say, "we are God."

So what does the Hebrew word elohim mean? Is it plural? Does it prove there is one God or many? How can we find out if we don't read Hebrew?

You can prove it yourself

You probably already have some Bible-study tools that can help you learn what elohim means. You do not have to be Hebrew scholars, but you will need to do some study.

Start your study with prayer. Ask God to give you understanding. Tell him of your willingness to give up old cherished ideas if he shows you that they are wrong. Confess any pride, vanity or anger that might inhibit your understanding. Express faith in Christ's leadership. Admit to him that your humanity sometimes limits your vision and distorts your thinking. Pray in faith that God will teach you and that he will grant you ears that hear and a heart that responds.

Having done that, you'll be ready to study. You'll be like the Bereans, who "received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true" (Acts 17:11).

To help you know the truth about elohim, I'd like to remind you of one important concept: To know what any word means, observe how it is used. Notice whether the word is used as a noun, verb, pronoun, adverb or another part of speech. If the word is used as a noun, notice if it is a singular, plural or proper noun. Analyze how the word is used.

Notice the other words that are used with it as well. For example, if you are uncertain if the noun is plural or singular, are there any pronouns associated with it that would help you find out? The more examples that you have of its use in context, the more certain you can be of its definition. You might even discover that a word has different meanings in different contexts. Some words are verbs in one context but nouns in another. The English word saw is a well-known example of this.

A study in Strong's Concordance

Our study can begin with Strong's Exhaustive Concordance. Those who own other concordances or computer Bible programs can apply the same principles I'm giving here with only slight modifications for your situation. Some resources will make the job easier than Strong's does. But because Strong's Concordance is a widely used Bible-study tool, I'm confining my comments to that work.

Look up the word God in the concordance. Under that heading you'll find a list of all the verses where you can find the word God in the King James Version. Notice that the verse list begins with Genesis 1:1, "God made the heaven and the earth." To the right of that verse is the number 430. Turn to the Hebrew and Chaldee dictionary in the back of the concordance and look up word number 430. You will find that this word is elohim. So Genesis 1:1 is the first place in the Bible where one finds elohim.

You can now read elohim in Genesis 1:1 by reading the text like this. "In the beginning elohim made the heaven and the earth." If you read Strong's definition of elohim, you will notice that it has several definitions and that it is a plural noun. By this, Strong means that elohim is plural in form. However, we should not assume in advance that it is always plural in meaning (see box below). Remember, the context tells us the meaning.

Returning to the verse list for God, notice that for the vast majority of times that we read God in the Old Testament, it corresponds to the Hebrew word elohim. The NIV Exhaustive Concordance claims that one can find elohim 2,602 times in the Old Testament. The New International Version translates it 2,242 times as God. It's the most common word in the Old Testament translated as "God."

Therefore, you have more than 2,200 verses that can help you understand what elohim means. If you want to be convinced what elohim means, then start reading those verses.

It may help you to take Strong's verse list of God and to read each verse aloud, substituting elohim for God at the appropriate places. Substituting elohim into the text is probably the closest you and I will ever come to reading the Hebrew Bible. Yet it's a simple way of cementing the true meaning of elohim in our minds. But remember, don't just read the verse by itself — read it in its broader context.

Substituting elohim for God in Genesis 1:1 can change our perspective of that verse and it can begin to help us understand this subject. Let's notice that applying this principle affects the reading of other verses in that same chapter. Genesis 1:2-5 will read: "Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of elohim was hovering over the waters. And elohim said, `Let there be light,' and there was light. Elohim saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. Elohim called the light `day,' and the darkness he called `night.' And there was evening, and there was morning — the first day."

Here are a few facts I learned when I studied this subject. I'll start with Genesis 1:26, taking note of its context. Genesis 1:26 reads, "Then God [elohim] said, `Let us make man in our image, in our likeness.'" I don't know Hebrew, so I can't tell if the verb said is singular or plural. If I could read Hebrew I would know this, and my questions would probably vanish.

But I do read English, and the pronouns here are plural. But does it automatically follow that elohim is plural? Before answering the question, I will ask another. Should we base our theology on one unusual verse or on more than 2,000 clear verses? What would lead to sound doctrine — 2,000 sure witnesses or one enigmatic witness?

Genesis 1:26 is an enigmatic witness. It does not tell us why or to whom God is speaking. It does not say, "The Father said to the Son" or "God said to God" or "God said to the angels" or any other combination. Because the Bible remains silent as to whom and why God said what he said, any conclusions about these points would be conjectures, and therefore not a solid basis for doctrine. However, note that there are several possible conjectures that do not require the existence of more than one God for them to be true. Many commentaries will give you those explanations. You might think of some yourself.

Second, this is not the only verse that quotes God. As your study will show, many of those verses are God's revelation of himself to us in which he unambiguously says that there is but one God. Those other verses are the verses that should decide our doctrine — the verses that unambiguously address the question.

Singular pronouns for elohim

Third, the context of the verse proves the plurality theory wrong. Genesis 1:27, the very next verse, reads "So elohim created man in his own image, in the image of God [elohim] he created him; male and female he created them" (emphasis mine throughout). Just as they are in the rest of the chapter, the pronouns here are singular. So we see that when elohim creates man, God reveals himself to be but one God.

As you do your study, you'll probably notice several other interesting facts about elohim. For example, it was elohim who said "I give you every seed-bearing plant" (verse 29). It was elohim who said, "I will make a helper suitable for him" (Genesis 2:18). Later elohim told Noah, "I am going to put an end to all people" and "This is the sign of the covenant I am establishing between me and you" (Genesis 6:13; 9:12).

A beautiful trait of elohim is that he never lies. He thundered to Israel, "I am the Lord your elohim.... You shall have no other gods before me" (Exodus 20:2-3). Moses, the prophet of The God Who Does Not Lie, encouraged the Israelites to "acknowledge and take to heart this day that the Lord is elohim in heaven above and on the earth below. There is no other" (Deuteronomy 4:39).

In the Bible, it was elohim who walked in the Garden, made a covenant with Abraham, wrestled with Jacob and spoke out of the burning bush. There was only one. It was elohim who thundered from Sinai, gave victory to Joshua, sanctified the Temple and spoke to the prophets.

This God, The God Who Does Not Lie, reveals himself to be the only God there is. "Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am elohim, and there is no other" (Isaiah 45:22). The God of truth says, "See now that I myself am he! There is no elohim besides me" (Deuteronomy 32:39).

Ralph Orr

Elohim Is Not Alone!

Elohim is not the only Hebrew noun that can be plural in form but singular in meaning. Such Hebrew noun forms are sometimes used for abstract nouns and as intensifiers. Gesenius' Hebrew Grammar devotes several pages to this subject. The following list is not exhaustive, but it illustrates the point. The masculine plural ending is im; oth is the feminine plural ending.

zequnim — old age (Gen. 21:2, 7; 37:3; 44:20).

ne`urim — youth. David was only a boy (na`ar), but Goliath "has been a fighting man from his youth [ne`urim]" (1 Sam. 17:33).

chayyim — life. This is used in the song "To life, to life, lechayyim" in Fiddler on the Roof.

gebhuroth — strength. The singular form gebhurah is the usual word for strength, but the plural form is used in Job 41:12.

tsedaqoth — righteousness. The singular form tsedaqah is the usual word, but tsedaqoth is used in Isaiah 33:15 — "he who walks righteously [or "in righteousness"]."

chokmoth — wisdom. Chokmah is the usual form, but chokmoth is used in Prov. 1:20.

'adonim — lord. 'adon means "lord," and 'adonim normally means "lords," but Isa. 19:4 says, "I will hand the Egyptians over to the power of a cruel master ['adonim]."

behemoth. This word normally means beasts, but in Job 40:15 it refers to one animal.

Specifically discussing elohim, Gesenius observes: "The language has entirely rejected the idea of numerical plurality in 'elohim (whenever it denotes one God).... [This] is proved especially by its being almost invariably joined with a singular attribute" (such as a singular adjective or verb). For more information on the subject, consult Gesenius' Hebrew Grammar, pages 396-401, 1909 edition.

This is what happens when you don't study/research (torus) and/or when you jump on the bandwagon (freeman craig)

orlibonurb

08-01-2010, 02:59 AM

freeman craig

08-01-2010, 03:02 AM

not jumping on the band wagon i knew it was a mis translation and i knew you would fall into the trap of admitting that the bible has lots of mis translations

orlibonurb

08-01-2010, 03:03 AM

great quote torus

Yes, of course you "knew".

As you know Evolution "fossils prove it".

:)

freeman craig

08-01-2010, 03:04 AM

no i looked into that one when trying to prove the summerian theory and found it to be a mis translation

freeman craig

08-01-2010, 03:05 AM

yeah i know you dont believe in evolution and the earth was created 6000 years ago and men walked with dinosaurs

orlibonurb

08-01-2010, 03:11 AM

tannah

08-01-2010, 03:16 AM

Tannah, when will you repent of your evil wicked sins and get saved ?

Soften that evil sinful heart. I feel you man. It's not easy - just shows how true wickedness. Humble yourself and call out for CHRIST JESUS OF NAZARETH - the risen Son of God - he'll cleanse you from all your evil, wicked and depraved sins.

John {15:26} But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: {15:27} And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

He said He would send the Holy Spirit inside you as a testimony of your salvation, embrace it. Don't run away. Just you and CHRIST JESUS OF NAZARETH.

:) You just can't stop, like a runaway choo choo. It doesn't suit life anymore to have you hide behind a defective doctrine administering the usual garbage on those you really don't know well enough to adopt such a pose over. Life's passed you by and your hipnotic belief syndrome sticks out like a long nose.

I don't like heights, so I'm gonna stay here and take my chances.:D

So what would we do in heaven all day then Orli, just me and you?

freeman craig

08-01-2010, 03:16 AM

hold on just trying to find some info i had that it was used in its plural form in some places in the old testaments just used as singular in most and especially in that quote

orlibonurb

08-01-2010, 03:21 AM

freeman please ok. Just quit.

The info is posted but you never look at it. Just ignore.

but then your hypocrite self says "oh I knew it, I didn't jump on the bandwagon".

Whatever man.

freeman craig

08-01-2010, 03:29 AM

Didn't humanity thought the world was flat for 2 thousand years ?

Do you want evidence for a worldwide flood ?

but wait, aren't you the guy who said "fossils prove evolution" ?! Yes you are.

The Planet We Live On IS oNLY 6,000 Years Old? 1/2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhY1y9LBJ2w

The Planet We Live On IS ONLY 6,000 Years Old? 2/2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzvYwFBY3Sk

God made Him aware of who He is. Via Biblical prophecy which give us the "end" from the "beggining". Via Holy Spirit which indwells saved souls.

yep fossils do prove evolution aswell as the other scientic experiments Darwin conducted on live specimens of plants and animals he just made a mistake about the driving force behind it thats all and i will stand by that. I have a degree in earth science which started as a foundation of all the sciences but i later choose all biology modules for 3/4 of the course i have higher diploma in herpetology as i was a zoo keeper for many years and specialised in reptiles. If you want to prove to me that evolution theory is poor science you are gonna have to show me a number of scientific papers from scientists from accross the whole scientfic community not evanglists with thier own agenda im afraid.

im pretty certain ancient civilisations knew the earth was round but the science and knowledge was wiped out by the church for thier own agenda during the dark ages.

would love some proof of a wide world flood but not if its evangalistic coz i cant take it seriously sorry i just think its really really misguided info

tannah

08-01-2010, 03:31 AM

orlibonurb

08-01-2010, 03:32 AM

I don't like heights, so I'm gonna stay here and take my chances.:D

So what would we do in heaven all day then Orli, just me and you?

hahahah

Going to play Poker with a terrible hand aren't you ?! hahaha

Oh well, take your chances man !

I'd say we would love eachother for eternity with our glorified bodies, free of sin ! As it was meant to be from the very beggining (and it'll be eventually, we are almost there).

John {14:2} In my Father’s house are many mansions: if [it were] not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. {14:3} And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also.

Hopefully you are right and dozens and dozens and dozens of millions of born-again, filled / sealed, with the Holy Spirit are wrong, right ?!

I'm secure on my Poker hand (A+A). But you can still win with a 2+7 !

Can you ?

:):):):):):)

orlibonurb

08-01-2010, 03:37 AM

You're just spamming this place with such garbage.

Anyway, I don't believe that a saved soul would think that God multiplied the speed of light many times in order for us to have stars to gaze at. If God wanted a 6000 year old universe then I think God would have adjusted the speed of light accordingly.

Why not take a moment and see the evidence in a relaxed way. Aren't we to receive information and addapt to it in case of it's proven veradicity ? How can you not see that the world we live in is a lie, we get lied left and right, do you really think we would learn our true origins in school / university ?

1. The "elites" do not want an informed public. They actually want the opposite - social endocrination.

2. "If" (for the sake of argument) the Bible is correct, we know that - Ephesians {6:12} For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places. ]. Therefore we know we are also being terribly lied to, because the "prince of the air" is Satan.

In any of these two cases, we are doomed and being lied to. Aren't we supposed to seek the truth afterall ?

We live in the most outstanding generation of all. We now have all information available to us via the internet. Yes, lot's of lies but lot's of truth too. Other generations would give their right arms to get their "hands" on the information we now have, yet it seems like we do not learn anything. How can we have all this information debunking the evolution theory (because it's nothing but a theory, and a false one just like global warming and any other crap we get thrown down at us), and still resist and accept it ?!

Oh well, CHRIST JESUS OF NAZARETH still has the door opened for everyone who wants to repent of their sins and accept His gift of salvation.

John {5:39} Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.{5:40} And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. {5:41} I receive not honour from men.

How do you think you got all our different languages by the way, evolution ? Or maybe, but just maybe

Genesis {11:7} Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.

Genesis 11:7 happened at the Tower of Babel when they wanted their 1 world government. Same exact thing going on today - 1 world government at the door once again.

edit: but I understand you, if you already made your mind completely about everything, then let's just let it go.

freeman craig

08-01-2010, 03:46 AM

All through the Book of Genesis we see "the-gods" of the ancient Hebrews, who are throughout just like the-gods of their heathen neighbors. It is but fair to say, for what it is worth, that the verbs used, for the most part, in the Hebrew texts with this plural elohim are generally in the singular number.
But the actual verb plural-form (which in Hebrew is the tiny vav -- "u" -- tacked on the end, as we add "s" in English to form the plural of nouns), although mostly missing, is a number of times to be found, and is undeniable proof of the plurality of ha-elohim.

i just couldnt use it in that first quote but it can be found in its plural in other places of old testament. my only point was that if you admit that was a mis translation then you would have to admit to the possibilities of other mis translations aswell ? and i do try and watch all your vids you post but as soon as i hear a blantant distortion of truth i turn off. I know damm well you have not watched any of my vids i have posted.

orlibonurb

08-01-2010, 03:51 AM

freeman, I'm sorry man. I do respect you alot, but I'm sorry - I humbled myself and already called out for Christ Jesus of Nazareth and know what happened to my life.

Testimonies here,

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=97708

He is the real deal. Let's just let it go. You may think we are dumb and antiquated for believing the Bible which gives us exact prophecies that are coming true today, but the biggest evidence which cannot be seen is spiritual, and that can only happen through Jesus Christ (the gift of the Holy Spirit to ensure us)

John {15:26} But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: {15:27} And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

- it's not something "I did". It was the free gift of salvation I accepted and all I needed to realize the Bible was true, was to watch a prophecy like this (1st video on the link below),

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=96081

and a couple more Biblical lessons of course, but I addapted - I let new information come to my mind. I wasn't born a believer. Actually I had a girl friend of mine talking to me about Jesus and I remember not even paying attention to her, as in "ok, good for you, let me be". Things changed thou.

. . . but let's just let it go, no point really. I respect you folks here, I'll just keep posting some stuff, no point on debating. I am very, very secure about my belief (not meaning it in an arrogant way).

Luke {11:9} And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. {11:10} For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. {11:11} If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if [he ask] a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? {11:12} Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?

Ephesians {2:8} For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: {2:9} Not of works, lest any man should boast.

freeman craig

08-01-2010, 04:05 AM

please dont think i calling you dumb im not, im really sorry if i have come accross like that on here but im a lazy typer and probably come accross too blunt. i respect everyones beliefs i really do but i am concearned with evanglism because it is based on alot of untruths but in reality if that path has lead you being a spiritual good person then there can be no harm in that just please remain openminded you can still believe in jesus and still understand the points im putting accross.

tannah

08-01-2010, 04:16 AM

hahahah

Going to play Poker with a terrible hand aren't you ?! hahaha

Oh well, take your chances man !

I'd say we would love eachother for eternity with our glorified bodies, free of sin ! As it was meant to be from the very beggining (and it'll be eventually, we are almost there).

John {14:2} In my Father’s house are many mansions: if [it were] not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. {14:3} And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also.

Hopefully you are right and dozens and dozens and dozens of millions of born-again, filled / sealed, with the Holy Spirit are wrong, right ?!

:):):):):):)

Right isn't about number, but about REASON. The heaven I'd feel is home has to have plenty of that.

Ok, so you say there are millions and millions of born again holy spirit filled believers around....they're not, most of them are partying, screwing and wearing their belief like a label or a badge. To suggest all these millions are filled with the holy spirit is bordering on scoffing. Basically going around spamming people's space with your borrowed rhetoric is what you seem to call holy spirit filled. I agree you are fuelled with something. Seems it comes across to those that don't believe as you do as mere hipnotic illusion.

Whereas standing upright alone is an ideal worth persuing I would think. To be Self Governing is that rarely used step where text looses its hold and the law is written on the heart, in that that someone simply is that thing, that law, that love. Takes much discipline, and is a big undertaking. You only belittle it Orli, because you haven't undertaken anything of real substance yet.

tannah

08-01-2010, 04:54 AM

Why not take a moment and see the evidence in a relaxed way.

What evidence? I simply have no intention of laughing in the face of reason and viewing the universe as a 6000 year old phenomena.

Aren't we to receive information and addapt to it in case of it's proven veradicity ?

That would be nice don't you think? How about all the information about the speed of light, for example? Are you saying stars are not really that far away?

I've already pondered the question of whether God could simply choose to make it look this old. It's a silly notion. God isn't about deceit, illusion is, and the biblical generations you talk about are a mixture of old myth tagged onto important lineages, extended back to a nice thought out (and stolen mainly) beginning tale. And, to be honest, I think you're an asshole for believing it literally in that way. We're not living in 1245.:D

How can you not see that the world we live in is a lie, we get lied left and right, do you really think we would learn our true origins in school / university ?

The world we live in is fine, it's beautiful in fact. Deceit is a quality that most species possess. We have the means to succumb it. Haven't you noticed how people tend to respond to the lie? That's not satan, that's ego mate.:D
That's ambition, vanity and all them negative traits of the ego. When they bring you nothing but misery, you may begin to replace those negative traits
with things like compassion,. The price one pays for standing alone is that they won't get the ego support they may have been used to. Ready for the next test in life Orli?

1. The "elites" do not want an informed public. They actually want the opposite - social endocrination.

That's true.

2. "If" (for the sake of argument) the Bible is correct, we know that - Ephesians {6:12} For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places. ]. Therefore we know we are also being terribly lied to, because the "prince of the air" is Satan.

Why does the fact that the elites farm us humans lead to the bible being correct? It's correct in the fact that elites tend to withhold information from the public.

In any of these two cases, we are doomed and being lied to. Aren't we supposed to seek the truth afterall ?

Sure we are, a most wise occupation for some, but perfectly understandable if someone still wants to have a good time doing something else. One of the best sayings I have come across is "Do what thy wilt, harm no other", or something like that. A druid saying too. And full of reason.

We live in the most outstanding generation of all. We now have all information available to us via the internet. Yes, lot's of lies but lot's of truth too. Other generations would give their right arms to get their "hands" on the information we now have, yet it seems like we do not learn anything. How can we have all this information debunking the evolution theory (because it's nothing but a theory, and a false one just like global warming and any other crap we get thrown down at us), and still resist and accept it ?!

Maybe in your world people just accept and reject, in other people's world they weigh things up with a little less bias. The real evidence is with the proponents of evolution. My only proviso there is that I don't know whether
species are protected, or whether they can evolve into other species.
But what has any of this got to do with your dislike of evolution? How does that somehow miraculously lead to the bible being true?

Oh well, CHRIST JESUS OF NAZARETH still has the door opened for everyone who wants to repent of their sins and accept His gift of salvation.

Amen bro.

John {5:39} Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.{5:40} And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. {5:41} I receive not honour from men.

How do you think you got all our different languages by the way, evolution ? Or maybe, but just maybe

Genesis {11:7} Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.

Genesis 11:7 happened at the Tower of Babel when they wanted their 1 world government. Same exact thing going on today - 1 world government at the door once again.

I wanted a wand that could make everyone talk gibberish when I was eight or nine years old.:) But even more up to date, I've met a strange specie recently called a fundy for short.

Aren't Enki and Enlil involved in this language tale?

edit: but I understand you, if you already made your mind completely about everything, then let's just let it go.

I'm sure the whole congregation is nodding with you Orli! But in the real world you're the mind completely made up about everything

octopusrex

08-01-2010, 09:07 AM

I wonder how the Good Reverend Holler is doing. I'll pray for him.