Why does evil exist?

[2461]

To be honest I don’t know if I really believe in the devil. I just think there are a lot of people who have chosen evil over good, some way too often. I think God gave us free will so we can grow. If he wanted perfect robots, I'm sure that's what God would have created. Just perfect robots, who didn’t have any choice but to always choose the right thing to do like software in a computer. But God wanted us to be genuine, so he gave us choice. God probabaly wants us to want to choose the right thing to do. So the evil choices exist as a temptation, and that is their sole purpose, we just have to figure out for ourselves what not to do or to do, so we can choose to grow positively. That's my take on why evil exists. I don’t think we were meant to grow negatively, though if we choose that then we can. I think free will is worth the risk of evil. How else can we genuinely grow, share, love, think without free will? Some of us have a lot of free will, some have almost none. I think it's what you do with what you've got that counts.

[orlibonurb]

Ephesians {6:12} For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places. ]

Yes, we have God given gift of free will, that is why the, also, free - gift - of eternal salvation is an option for everyone. This is a spiritual war of epic proportions mascharading as a physical war. It is a war for each and everyone's soul. People choose not to believe, as if by turning their "itchy ears" from the subject, it will go away. Jesus Christ who was God manifested in the flesh said it,

John {14:6} Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Romans {6:23} For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Is is very plainly stated in the Word of the living God. It is a gift. What is a gift ? It is something someone offers to you, for free. What do you do ? You either accept it or reject it. That is your, God given, free will. He will never, ever force anyone to accept nor to worship Him.

This is why He died on the cross. So our sins could be washed away and forgiven.

What is the problem of sin then ? Romans 6:23 "death".

So, who sinned against the perfect law of the living God ? Are there any "good" people on earth ?

Romans {3:23} For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; {3:24} Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: {3:25} Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; {3:26} To declare, [I say,] at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. {3:27} Where [is] boasting then?

Isaiah {64:6} But we are all as an unclean [thing,] and all our righteousnesses [are] as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.


You may think "oh but I'm a good person" - well, yes . . if you compare yourself with MAN, IE. Hitler. What if there is someone who pratices "better" things than you towards humanity ? That would make you a bad person then.

Ephesians {2:8} For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: {2:9} Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Romans {3:27} Where [is] boasting then?



You don't believe in Satan, who is Lucifer, the old serpent, the "prince of the air" of this world ? Perhaps you may want to join his organization then. You folks must be out of your mind if you don't even think such powerful, evil forces rule this global system.

www.churchofsatan.com


Isaiah {14:12} How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! {14:13} For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: {14:14} I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. {14:15} Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Revelation {12:9} And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.


The living God, KING of Kings Jesus Christ said it,

John {3:3} Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Repent of your sins, be born-again, saved and filled / sealed with the Holy Spirit . . . . . .

John {15:26} But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: {15:27} And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

. . . . . or reject the free gift of eternal salvation. Either way, it's your choice, but there is no middle ground.


1 Corinthians {6:9} Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, {6:10} Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. {6:11} And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.


Ok, fine but is there a way to know God is for real ? He said it.

Luke {11:9} And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. {11:10} For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. {11:11} If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if [he ask] a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? {11:12} Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?

It doesn't say "knock / ask and we'll think about it".

Romans {10:9} That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. {10:10} For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

"Oh but Jesus Christ didn't really resurrect from the dead, He never even existed", false.

1 Corinthians {15:12} Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? {15:13} But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: {15:14} And if Christ be not risen, then [is] our preaching vain, and your faith [is] also vain. {15:15} Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. {15:16} For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: {15:17} And if Christ be not raised, your faith [is] vain; ye are yet in your sins. {15:18} Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. {15:19} If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. {15:20} But now is Christ risen from the dead, [and] become the firstfruits of them that slept.

All true born-again Christians wouldn't be saved then, nor filled with the Holy Spirit and have their lives changed overnight with the power of the Holy Spirit.

He said it, very plainly,

John {8:31} Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, [then] are ye my disciples indeed; {8:32} And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Make no mistake about it, the Bible also talks more about Jesus Christ's second coming and our generation than everything else combined (besides when He was on earth obviously).

John {14:2} In my Father’s house are many mansions: if [it were] not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. {14:3} And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also. {14:4} And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know. {14:5} Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? {14:6} Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. {14:7} If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

"you, you, you, you, you, you" - All for you.

John {8:45} And because I tell [you] the truth, ye believe me not. {8:46} Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

Jeremiah {5:21} Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not:

[2461]

Whoa! orlibonurb, that was quite the response. No, if Satan existed, I would not join him. I do think the bible is crazy though. On one hand it says "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"(which is great) and then in Leviticous 17 it says "Men should not have intercourse with Men, God hates that". And then right wing fundamentalists persecute gays because aparently "God hates fags". Sorry to digress on your post to 'gaydom'. It's just an example of the bible being contradictory. So I don't really believe in it. It has a lot of great things in it, but I'm not one for quoting huge passages of scripture. I think if Jesus existed, or still exists, he's probably 'rolling in his heaven' right now because of all of the evil that has been done in his name.

[evenus_cinatus]

Before there was Evil we were all together in our awareness.
Tired of our boredom there was a vote about what to do.
The decision to create Evil was unaminous.

Every soul craves, CRAVES, the feeling of facing an enemy
face-on and not knowing what the outcome of the battle
will be. It gives the Soul a chance to play with this FAITH thingy.

Facing Evil is the greatest HIGH a soul can experience.
It's Awesome. It is the only game worth playing in the multiverse.

[geolaureate8]

Religion is the reason evil exists. It doesn't explain evil, it promotes it. Religion enslaves peoples minds and forces them to surrender themselves to an external deity. It has even deluded people to the point where they deny that they're even in a prison by claiming that their religion is not a religion. Just like a prisoner behind the bars, claiming he's not in prison.

Whatever tries to trump free thought and eliminate freedom is truly the source of evil.

.

[2461]

Before there was Evil we were all together in our awareness.
Tired of our boredom there was a vote about what to do.
The decision to create Evil was unaminous.

Every soul craves, CRAVES, the feeling of facing an enemy
face-on and not knowing what the outcome of the battle
will be. It gives the Soul a chance to play with this FAITH thingy.

Facing Evil is the greatest HIGH a soul can experience.
It's Awesome. It is the only game worth playing in the multiverse.

That's an interesting way to look at it, trying to do what is right is the biggest high, maybe even an addiction. Better get some meds for that quick lol. But seriously, you may be right. But that doesn't convince me to be evil and do bad things to others or to stop trying to do good. And since I know how it feels when bad things happen to me and it pains me to see others go through bad things, then maybe I just might stand up for them when I can. Of course, we have to be careful who we label as evil and fight. Mob mentality has an IQ of about 23. But an adrenalin rush of about 2300. Like playing video games.

[orlibonurb]

We are evil because we are born with sin. The sin which came from Adam & Eve.

We don't teach our kids to be bad people, what do we do ? We teach them how to be good and respect others, otherwise, we'll have a million Hitlers out there. We all have the potential to be a "Hitler".

We are all evil / wicked sinners in need of redemption and a Savior.

Isaiah {64:6} But we are all as an unclean [thing,] and all our righteousnesses [are] as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

1 John {1:8} If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. {1:9} If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. {1:10} If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.


You see, "good" and "evil" just didn't magically appeared out of nowhere. Sin is the problem why all man is in the state that it is, and it gets progressively worse, as you can see in society, all you need is a generation. We have more of what ? What is good ? Hmmm, don't think so, we have more pornography, more crime, more lust, more materialism, more war, more abortions. We have less love, less sharing, less compassion. This alone should be a blatant warning for the non-believer,

2 Timothy {3:1} This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. {3:2} For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, {3:3} Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, {3:4} Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; {3:5} Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

[2461]

Religion is the reason evil exists. It doesn't explain evil, it promotes it. Religion enslaves peoples minds and forces them to surrender themselves to an external deity. It has even deluded people to the point where they deny that they're even in a prison by claiming that their religion is not a religion. Just like a prisoner behind the bars, claiming he's not in prison.

Whatever tries to trump free thought and eliminate freedom is truly the source of evil.

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Yes I agree with everything you've posted here. Though I think the new religion is the Media. Maybe that's why the media has cranked up it's paparazzi over the last few decades, because not as many people go to church and cant be mind-controlled there, so the emphasis has switched to TV and the media to do the job more. They destroy celebrities and use them as examples to look up to or down upon using 'TV' morals.

[2461]

We are evil because we are born with sin. The sin which came from Adam & Eve.

You see, we don't teach our kids to be bad people, what do we do ? We teach them how to be good and respect others, otherwise, we'll have a million Hitlers out there. We all have the potential to be a "Hitler".

We are sinners in need of redemption and a Savior.


Isaiah {64:6} But we are all as an unclean [thing,] and all our righteousnesses [are] as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

WE also all have the potential to be a Martin Luther King, or Gandhi (who wasn't Christian by the way). I don't believe in original sin personally, but you're welcome to believe what you want to.

[2461]

We are evil because we are born with sin. The sin which came from Adam & Eve.

We don't teach our kids to be bad people, what do we do ? We teach them how to be good and respect others, otherwise, we'll have a million Hitlers out there. We all have the potential to be a "Hitler".

We are all evil / wicked sinners in need of redemption and a Savior.

Isaiah {64:6} But we are all as an unclean [thing,] and all our righteousnesses [are] as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

1 John {1:8} If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. {1:9} If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. {1:10} If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.


You see, "good" and "evil" just didn't magically appeared out of nowhere.

Although I dont identify myself as Christian, I do believe in "do unto others as you would have them do unto you". That's where good or evil is born I think. When you do something to another person you wouldn't like them to do to you.

[evenus_cinatus]

That's an interesting way to look at it, trying to do what is right is the biggest high, maybe even an addiction. Better get some meds for that quick lol. But seriously, you may be right. But that doesn't convince me to be evil and do bad things to others or to stop trying to do good. And since I know how it feels when bad things happen to me and it pains me to see others go through bad things, then maybe I just might stand up for them when I can. Of course, we have to be careful who we label as evil and fight. Mob mentality has an IQ of about 23. But an adrenalin rush of about 2300. Like playing video games.

As far as Evil is concerned I believe there are people without souls. When
they procreate with another of their kind their children are born souless.
As for mixed parents, one with a soul and one without, there is a 50% chance their children have a soul. Maybe I'm wrong and only two parents
with soul beget soul children. Who knows. But there are people without souls and no attempt to make them see the difference between right and wrong will help. There appear to be two camps, Light and Dark. And there are a number of people of the Light camp who are betrayers. The current
game is ending and the Chess board is starting anew. When that happens which side starts the Chaos by moving first? Psst, the White. The Dark always responds with self-survival. The coming "Golden Age" will last as long as the Light side refuses to engage the Dark.

[octopusrex]

As far as Evil is concerned I believe there are people without souls. When
they procreate with another of their kind their children are born souless.
As for mixed parents, one with a soul and one without, there is a 50% chance their children have a soul. Maybe I'm wrong and only two parents
with soul beget soul children. Who knows. But there are people without souls and no attempt to make them see the difference between right and wrong will help. There appear to be two camps, Light and Dark. And there are a number of people of the Light camp who are betrayers. The current
game is ending and the Chess board is starting anew. When that happens which side starts the Chaos by moving first? Psst, the White. The Dark always responds with self-survival. The coming "Golden Age" will last as long as the Light side refuses to engage the Dark.

Zombis?:D

[steevo]

To be honest I don’t know if I really believe in the devil. I just think there are a lot of people who have chosen evil over good, some way too often. I think God gave us free will so we can grow. If he wanted perfect robots, I'm sure that's what God would have created. Just perfect robots, who didn’t have any choice but to always choose the right thing to do like software in a computer. But God wanted us to be genuine, so he gave us choice. God probabaly wants us to want to choose the right thing to do. So the evil choices exist as a temptation, and that is their sole purpose, we just have to figure out for ourselves what not to do or to do, so we can choose to grow positively. That's my take on why evil exists. I don’t think we were meant to grow negatively, though if we choose that then we can. I think free will is worth the risk of evil. How else can we genuinely grow, share, love, think without free will? Some of us have a lot of free will, some have almost none. I think it's what you do with what you've got that counts.

"Evil" is just an option that we have when we are free. Freedom is here right now.

[turquoisefire777]

http://www.canng.com/articles/war_of_essences.htm

[kblood]

"Evil" is just an option that we have when we are free. Freedom is here right now.

That does seem to be the simplest way to put it. I was about to start a thread about it, but might as well use this one.

Is this not what Lucifer or the snake in Adam and Eves paradise lured the first humans into? Total freedom. Instead of having their minds being directly connected to god, they got minds of their own. Free will to not just be part of gods creation, but change it. Before free will why would anyone change something already perfect? Because creation had probably come as far as it could with only one consciousness behind it. So it shattered and made more, and we are parts of these "less than perfect" ones. Also that is why not being perfect is so important.

Evil is the downside of the whole thing though. With free will comes responsibility, and moral. Something that was probably never even possible before, since it would not have made any sense.

And without evil, the world would have stayed a paradise where everything was bliss. My question is though, did anyone notice?

[freeman craig]

ok my two pennies worth for what its worth anyway. Its a major problem quoting from the bible without understanding its origins. this book is only about 90 % complete and thats being generous whats left has been edited and manipulated for the use of controlling the masses. Now the roman catholic church the founder of christianity who invented this scam own absolute fortunes in money and gold have shares in weapons company's now that doesnt sound very christian like when children are starving to death does it. up untill constantine they were killing 1000's and 1000's of true christians then all of a sudden they adopted the faith because they saw that they could still control the masses from rome without having to keep the roman empire going. They then went on a crusade spreading the so called word of god by killing 1000' and 1000's of pagan people who refused to convert including wiping out 95% of the south americans. Again this doesnt sound very christian to me. Then in the middle ages they went around killing anyone with any spiritual qualities in the witch hunt. i mean can you really believe anything they say with that track record? I'm a firm believer in the lucifer effect by phillip zambardo check out his lecture on video google. Evil is in all of us its not a outside force we can all do terrible things in the wrong circumstances. Now i do believe in jesus but his virgin birth story is purely astrological mapping out the winter solstice put in there to make it a bit easier for the pagans to follow as it is a pagan holiday christmas after all. Check out the zeitgeist movie for more info on video google. His true teachings are to be found in the gnostic gospels the books that got left out on purpose. He was against priests and anyone that claimed to have power over another. Quote from gospel of st thomas "The kingdom of god is inside you not in buildings of wood and stone " ie you wont find god in a church through a priest you will only find him inside you. The oldest copy of the new testament was stolen by the vatican from st catherines monastry in that version thomas spoke of many meetings with jesus in india after the crucification. So no virgin birth no dying on the cross for our sins. that leaves christanity a little lightweight when it comes to telling the truth. we all can do bad things and we can all do good things thats how we can all get different experiences from this life. God is not in some heaven looking down at us the creator is our conciouness observing our experiences from within us. Well just my opinion anyway but if your waiting for the second coming or the rapture its not gonna happen we have to do this ourselves its the only way to acheive heaven on earth as intended.

[octopusrex]

"Evil" is just an option that we have when we are free. Freedom is here right now.

Ditto.

[freeman craig]

just to add as any good good historian will tell you to get to the bottom of any story you need to get to the most closest source. Now christainity and islam came from judaism which in turn came out of egypt which in turn came from the summerian culuture which in turn came from the original garden of eden in what now is lebannon. In that culture you will find the true origins like the flood the epic of gilgamesh the seven tablets of creation which is were the christian seven days of creation comes from. Reading the bible and taking that has the truth is a little like reading the back cover of a book and thinking you know the whole story. Its a massive jigsaw puzzle with pieces scattered everywhere. Edmund marriage does a great lecture on what caused the flood and the garden of eden thats on google video aswell. These are only my conclusions that i have drawn up out of my own research of about 20 years but i found its best to start at the very beginning then work your way forward to present day. things seem to much clearer that way.

[kblood]

I Hope I was not the one refered to as a bible quoter. Still I guess that is how it seemed. It is just a well known story and describes us getting free will as far as I understood it.

[freeman craig]

lol i dont have any problems with people quoting from the bible its a spiritual book and holds some truths but has to be taken in the context it was written in thats all. I was mainly refering to orlibonurb but as with the adam and eve story your were talking about it seems to of come from alot older summerian text. The apple is refering to reproduction she basically had sex with the serpent one not a snake but a serpent one Druids called themselves serpent ones has something to do with summerian gods or priests called serpents ones (as in wise ones). Then she later has sex with adam coz she offered him a bite too. The creator god bollocked the serpent ones for breeding with earth women but he wasnt the only one there were a few of them they were what we now know as the fallen angels. Thats the story according to the summerians in very brief but you get the message not much evil going on there just shagging about when they werent allowed to. so the sin of adam is false and a lie its is used to make the masses feel guilty and to repent and do as they're told or they will burn in hell.

[octopusrex]

I don't particularly like the treatment of the Egyptians by the God of the Jews.

[armoured_amazon]

Whoa! orlibonurb, that was quite the response. No, if Satan existed, I would not join him. I do think the bible is crazy though. On one hand it says "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"(which is great) and then in Leviticous 17 it says "Men should not have intercourse with Men, God hates that". And then right wing fundamentalists persecute gays because aparently "God hates fags". Sorry to digress on your post to 'gaydom'. It's just an example of the bible being contradictory. So I don't really believe in it. It has a lot of great things in it, but I'm not one for quoting huge passages of scripture. I think if Jesus existed, or still exists, he's probably 'rolling in his heaven' right now because of all of the evil that has been done in his name.

That's incorrect interpretation. God wants men to lay with women so that the human race will flourish. It's not a free-for-all for haters. The fundies are contradictory, not the text.

[armoured_amazon]

I don't particularly like the treatment of the Egyptians by the God of the Jews.

Some may say the Egyptians worked for the other side.

[octopusrex]

Some may say the Egyptians worked for the other side.

"their side" ... "our side"...

It's so bloody, DUALISTIC!

PRIMITIVE!

POLITICAL!

[2461]

That's incorrect interpretation. God wants men to lay with women so that the human race will flourish. It's not a free-for-all for haters. The fundies are contradictory, not the text.


Tell that to the the "fundies" in the US who had signs "Matt in Hell" or "God Hates Fags" after he was murdered for being gay. Just an example. The fact that the bible directly says "God hates that.." IS an actual free for all for haters.

[clachan]

Religion is the reason evil exists. It doesn't explain evil, it promotes it. Religion enslaves peoples minds and forces them to surrender themselves to an external deity. It has even deluded people to the point where they deny that they're even in a prison by claiming that their religion is not a religion. Just like a prisoner behind the bars, claiming he's not in prison.

Whatever tries to trump free thought and eliminate freedom is truly the source of evil.

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Sorry,but that is the biggest bunch of cow shit i have ever read on these boards.

[orlibonurb]

geolaureate8
Religion is the reason evil exists. It doesn't explain evil, it promotes it.

Murder exists because we have guns ? Logic is dead in our society these days, totally dead, finito, no more, it's history.

[freeman craig]

geolaureate8


Murder exists because we have guns ? Logic is dead in our society these days, totally dead, finito, no more, it's history.

wrong murder exists because people are living in fear caused by the system. these are not bad apples its the barrel thats rotten. Guns are made by the governments for profit all they care about is profit they dont give two shits about us they want choas so that they can justify taking more control of us. Logic is dead? well it certaintly is in religion no logic at all.

[elirien]

We are evil because we are born with sin. The sin which came from Adam & Eve.

You are not Adam, nor Eve.


We don't teach our kids to be bad people, what do we do ? We teach them how to be good and respect others, otherwise, we'll have a million Hitlers out there. We all have the potential to be a "Hitler".

We are all evil / wicked sinners in need of redemption and a Savior.

I don't know how many kids you've raised but as far as I can see kids are sinless beautiful beings. We are not inherently evil. God didn't create us imperfect. Some times I think "christians" and that doesn't mean christians nor followers of Jesus hate God and love to belittle him. What logic is that and how do you guys read the bible.

Isaiah {64:6} But we are all as an unclean [thing,] and all our righteousnesses [are] as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.


This deals with doing good things. Mind you there is a difference between being good and doing good things. As long as there is any ego attached to "doing a good thing" it is as Isaiah has portrayed it. For example you give a homeless person something to eat. Your mind says "now you have done a good thing" which is far from it. You have just handed what God has given to what God has given. "You" in this case did nothing more then being a carrier etc. Long topic.

1 John {1:8} If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. {1:9} If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. {1:10} If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Beautiful scripture.

You see, "good" and "evil" just didn't magically appeared out of nowhere. Sin is the problem why all man is in the state that it is, and it gets progressively worse, as you can see in society, all you need is a generation. We have more of what ? What is good ? Hmmm, don't think so, we have more pornography, more crime, more lust, more materialism, more war, more abortions. We have less love, less sharing, less compassion. This alone should be a blatant warning for the non-believer,

The question was "why does evil exist", not "why do "I" think creation is bad".

2 Timothy {3:1} This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. {3:2} For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, {3:3} Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, {3:4} Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; {3:5} Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

Do you fight fire with fire?

[michael christopher]

Darkness is the soil that nurtures the seed of light.

[knightofthegrail]

Evil exists because it is necessary; without it there could be no good. It is the price paid that some may be blessed for without it none could be.

[dedicate]

There is no evil without the good. There is no way to remove the evil from this world without losing the good. So, lose the good, because building a better good, finds a bigger evil. Just get rid of the good things and the evil will go of it's own accord.

I'm not sure I would want to be rid of evil, anyway. It's a fact of the dual nature of reality, ie good and evil. Evil tells us there is good,, and Good shows us there is evil.

The further I ascend the deeper the rabbit hole gets --- As I rise in rank, the more dangerous the trenches.

Shirley MacLain

[danceswithbunnies]

Evil exists because it is necessary; without it there could be no good. It is the price paid that some may be blessed for without it none could be.

Good answer..

I would have put it that 'evil' is the price of existence..you cannot have good without evil, light without dark...

Evil exists so that we can know the good...and choose it.

[dedicate]

One can have good without evil. One can have light without darkness. Within the One there is no dark nor light, and also only light. Do this: Close your eyes, and without having to move, you have found the place where time and space do not exists. Only dark.

Is "Evil the price of existance?"..??

How does one "know the good"? One knows the good by evil's existance? It was said, "Evil exists so one may know the good." Does evil then teach us good? How does it do that. Can I do without these teachings? Can I not "know the good" by doing good? Can I rid myself of good in order to know good? What kind of good is indicated by the existance of evil?


These are the questions I would have for an up-and-coming ontologist.

Larry King.

[danceswithbunnies]

One can have good without evil. One can have light without darkness. Within the One there is no dark nor light, and also only light. Do this: Close your eyes, and without having to move, you have found the place where time and space do not exists. Only dark.

Is "Evil the price of existance?"..??

How does one "know the good"? One knows the good by evil's existance? It was said, "Evil exists so one may know the good." Does evil then teach us good? How does it do that. Can I do without these teachings? Can I not "know the good" by doing good? Can I rid myself of good in order to know good? What kind of good is indicated by the existance of evil?


These are the questions I would have for an up-and-coming ontologist.

Larry King.

Words and ideas, are words and ideas...life is experience.
Learn to distinguish the two.

[clachan]

Evil exists because it is necessary; without it there could be no good. It is the price paid that some may be blessed for without it none could be.

I dont understand this at all.

Evil is necessary ?

[danceswithbunnies]

I dont understand this at all.

Evil is necessary ?
From a christian perspective :
why does God allow Satan to exist?

If God is all powerful and all good then why does satan exist?

Because he serves God's purposes that is why.
He must be necessary to God's purpose or he would not exist.

[clachan]

From a christian perspective :
why does God allow Satan to exist?

If God is all powerful and all good then why does satan exist?

Because he serves God's purposes that is why.
He must be necessary to God's purpose or he would not exist.

From a Christian perspective I regard Satan as a rebel who used his free will not to persue the will of God but to go against it.

Why does evil exist ? Because it can via people who use their freedom of choice that is Godgiven.

Evil does not have to exist,it is possible that in a more advanced society somewhere out there in the universe there is a place where evil is either not logical or has been overcome.

Evil is ilogical,but can it be overcome in human society ?

[evenus_cinatus]

Evil exists as a counter-balance to Good.
You are here. You are a fallen Soul.
You must understand what is Evil and what is Good.
This earth is Hell. Suffering is everywhere.
You are being reformed. Examine the two camps;
one emits Love the other Fear. Struggle within
yourself to see if you got the identity of Good and Evil
mixed up somehow in your mind. Clense yourself of
others teachings and discover the Truth for yourself.
Trust in the utmost Godhead to help and guide you
to discover your error.

[dedicate]

Brain Tumors are Evil.

[evenus_cinatus]

Brain Tumors are Evil.

Haha! What was the name of that John Travolta/Robert Duval movie
where the main character had a brain tumor? It gave him super-natural
abilities....

[danceswithbunnies]

From a Christian perspective I regard Satan as a rebel who used his free will not to persue the will of God but to go against it.

Suggesting that Satan is more powerful than God.

Why does evil exist ? Because it can via people who use their freedom of choice that is Godgiven.

Now you are saying Choice is more powerful than God...so he must not be omnipotent.


Evil does not have to exist,it is possible that in a more advanced society somewhere out there in the universe there is a place where evil is either not logical or has been overcome.

Evil is ilogical,but can it be overcome in human society ?

How is evil ilogical?
You cannot have truth without falsehood.

Evil is in the warp and weft of the universe, unfortunately..look at nature it supplies numerous examples.

[infinite tea]

Evil = veil.

To experience separation One must forget Oneness and keep it hidden.

[conan1040]

To be honest I don’t know if I really believe in the devil. I just think there are a lot of people who have chosen evil over good, some way too often. I think God gave us free will so we can grow. If he wanted perfect robots, I'm sure that's what God would have created. Just perfect robots, who didn’t have any choice but to always choose the right thing to do like software in a computer. But God wanted us to be genuine, so he gave us choice. God probabaly wants us to want to choose the right thing to do. So the evil choices exist as a temptation, and that is their sole purpose, we just have to figure out for ourselves what not to do or to do, so we can choose to grow positively. That's my take on why evil exists. I don’t think we were meant to grow negatively, though if we choose that then we can. I think free will is worth the risk of evil. How else can we genuinely grow, share, love, think without free will? Some of us have a lot of free will, some have almost none. I think it's what you do with what you've got that counts.

I've come to the same conclusion

[clachan]

Suggesting that Satan is more powerful than God.



Now you are saying Choice is more powerful than God...so he must not be omnipotent.



How is evil ilogical?
You cannot have truth without falsehood.

Evil is in the warp and weft of the universe, unfortunately..look at nature it supplies numerous examples.

No,Im not saying Satan is more powerful than God at all.
Im saying he is using his freedom given to him by God,like you and me,we can perform evil acts....does that make us more powerful than God ?

Sorry,but how can anything be more powerful than God ?
Its all about freedom.

Evil is ilogical.
You can have truth without falsehood.