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03-01-2010, 06:23 AM

By Dave Markland

January 1, 2010

Recent reports indicate that a new stage may have been reached in the war in Afghanistan. Secret operations of CIA and special forces appear to have stepped up their infamous night raids, which have induced fear in much of the local population.

We saw in a blog post a few weeks ago that up to 15 civilians in Laghman were killed in a ground forces operation apparently carried out under NATO command. NATO itself, after initial denials, appeared to acknowledge civilian casualties, but was characteristically vague about it.

Now, according to the article below, it seems that the attack-cum-massacre was carried out at night and, according to locals, perpetrated by US special forces on the ground. (The Washington Post, however, mistakenly reported as late as Dec 30 that the attack was an airstrike.)

US forces 'like to kill us’
Sayed Karim - The National
December 28. 2009

... According to witnesses, US troops entered a number of houses near the provincial capital, Mehtar Lam, in an overnight operation [on Dec 7/8]. The victims included Mohammed Ismail, whose 10-year-old son, Rafiullah, described what happened: "When the soldiers came to our house, my father asked them, 'Who are you?’ Then they shot him in the head and told us, 'Be quiet and tell us where the weapons are’."

Said Ahmad Safi, a spokesman for Laghman’s governor, said insurgents had previously staged attacks against officials and foreign troops in the area. He acknowledged that 12 people – including a woman – had apparently died in the raid, which locals reported was carried out by US Special Forces...

Discontent with the government and the occupation has inevitably fuelled support for the Taliban among the local population. Despite still being relatively secure compared with much of eastern Afghanistan, there has been growing rebel activity here in recent months as the insurgents edge closer and closer to neighbouring Kabul...

Gulzar Sankerwal, chairman of the provincial council, said: "The Taliban do not fight face to face. This is guerrilla fighting so if more troops arrive, they will not solve the problem. When the commander in Kabul asked Obama for the extra troops, he knew the USA would end up with one achievement, and that is more civilian casualties." ... (link)

Note that in spite of (and because of) the two Obama-ordered troop surges, the insurgency continues to spread, moving closer to Kabul.

So it turns out that the deaths occurred in a nighttime raid, one of what appears to be an increasing number of such operations. The Dec 7/8 disaster was recently repeated in Kunar on Dec 27 and again in Baghlan on Dec 28/29 - an incident which has gone largely unnoticed in the media, though it has now been overshadowed by the Dec 30 incident in Helmand - a daytime missile strike by NATO forces. AFP has more on the Dec 27 Kunar incident:

Nato's International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) had no information on any operations or casualties in Kunar.

A senior Western military official told AFP that US special forces have been conducting operations against militants in the border regions of Kunar.

"They have been killing a lot of Taliban and capturing a lot of Taliban," he said.

The operations were conducted independently of ISAF, which number more than 110,000 fighting to eradicate the Taliban, he said... (link)

And yet that may not be the end of the intriguing details. While locals in Kunar say the 8 teenagers were killed in a US special forces raid, AFP reports that they may have been CIA operatives:

NATO forces have disputed the results of the Afghan probe, saying the foreigners involved were non-military Americans on a sanctioned operation who fired in self-defence after being shot at by villagers. (link)

US special forces like the Green Berets or Navy Seals are military personnel while CIA officers are not. Of course, neither are mercenaries such as Blackwater. It seems possible that "non-military Americans" could refer to either CIA or mercs.

In all likelihood, the recent spate of nighttime raids were undertaken by a mix of CIA, special forces and perhaps mercenaries. CIA agents are known to work alongside special forces in Afghanistan and recent reports about Blackwater revealed their involvement in CIA operations there.

Finally, the recent attack in Baghlan, courtesy of the Afghan press since few if any western media reported the incident:

'Four civilians killed in Baghlan air raid'
Habib Rahman Sherzai - Dec 29, 2009

PUL-I-KHUMRI (Pajhwok) - Four civilians have reportedly been killed and eight others wounded in a fresh air strike by foreign forces in northern Baghlan province, residents alleged on Tuesday.

The overnight attack took place in Kohna Qala area of Baghlan-i-Markazi district, residents told Pajhwok Afghan News...

In the last night air raid, the dead included a father and his three sons, who were killed while running to escape the bombardment, a teacher at the Jamiat Aburjaee High School in the area, Karim Safi, told Pajhwok Afghan News. A student of the school, Karim Javed, said that the air raid also left many people wounded including a student of his school.

Head of the district hospital, Abdul Qahir Qanit, said they had received eight injured people delivered to the hospital with a woman and a child in a critical condition... (link)

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eternal wheel

03-01-2010, 09:27 AM

so?
now do a post of equal length about how their roadside IED's are killing and maiming randomly.
no?
thought not.
terrorist apologist.

christ4life

03-01-2010, 10:42 AM

That is so wrong on so many levels. Did someone post about the ten kids being shot out of twelve people they caught as well. I'm sure the government makes it sound like roses. I'm just ashamed my country has gone to such a low level. I wish we could settle differences without killing each other.

troubled

03-01-2010, 02:06 PM

so?
now do a post of equal length about how their roadside IED's are killing and maiming randomly.
no?
thought not.
terrorist apologist.
we shouldnt be there

eternal wheel

03-01-2010, 02:43 PM

we shouldnt be there

totally agree, and i'm active on that front, but we are.
sooner the troops are out the better, but dumping them there with shite equipment is criminal in itself.

phildee3

03-01-2010, 03:13 PM

so?
now do a post of equal length about how their roadside IED's are killing and maiming randomly.
no?
thought not.
terrorist apologist.

What makes you think that that the murdered man was a militant,
and if he was, should he not have been arrested and detained?

All those who use weapons in this phoney "war" are terrorists!

troubled

03-01-2010, 03:14 PM

totally agree, and i'm active on that front, but we are.
sooner the troops are out the better, but dumping them there with shite equipment is criminal in itself.
thats the catch 22, thats why the grunts are never senators sons

analog

03-01-2010, 03:28 PM

If that is not TERRORISM I dont know what is.

eternal wheel

03-01-2010, 04:43 PM

thats the catch 22, thats why the grunts are never senators sons
so true...

mynameis

03-01-2010, 05:04 PM

now do a post of equal length about how their roadside IED's are killing and maiming randomly.

Where's your proof?

geezer661

03-01-2010, 05:50 PM

IEDs only kill american troops, which is a good thing

eternal wheel

03-01-2010, 06:00 PM

geezer661

03-01-2010, 06:04 PM

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there you go.

and whts tht represent? tht they are bristich troops and not american? They are fighting under the leadership of american forces. Tht basically makes them American troops. Why all the sympathy for the troops. They know they are part of an illegal invasion force and everyone cries when they get blown up. Like it's some big unexpected thing. You can't even see past the properganda of this help for heros nonesense. Its been created to keep up the support of the wars.

leviathanstaar

03-01-2010, 06:18 PM

eternal wheel

03-01-2010, 06:20 PM

and whts tht represent? tht they are bristich troops and not american? They are fighting under the leadership of american forces. Tht basically makes them American troops. Why all the sympathy for the troops. They know they are part of an illegal invasion force and everyone cries when they get blown up. Like it's some big unexpected thing. You can't even see past the properganda of this help for heros nonesense. Its been created to keep up the support of the wars.
it wasn't for you, it was for 'mynameis'...
i'm sure they'd argue with you about you calling them yanks....

it's a war. illegal or not, it's still a war. yet everyone cries when the 'stans get blown up. like it's some big unexpected thing. you can't even see past the propaganda of this poor muslim nonsense..
(did you see what i did there??):p

eternal wheel

03-01-2010, 06:23 PM

That was very touching all the soldiers missing limbs.

They shouldnt even be there. At all. As anyone taking in this kind of info already knows.

Blows away any idea of calling anyone a terrorist apologist.
agree they shouldn't be there. doesn't mean it's right to take the piss and slag them off whilst moaning about the 'stan losses tho. a death is a death, a maiming is a maiming. the next of kin are equally upset on both sides.....

geezer661

03-01-2010, 06:25 PM

it wasn't for you, it was for 'mynameis'...
i'm sure they'd argue with you about you calling them yanks....

it's a war. illegal or not, it's still a war. yet everyone cries when the 'stans get blown up. like it's some big unexpected thing. you can't even see past the propaganda of this poor muslim nonsense..
(did you see what i did there??):p

yes but the deifference is they are in their homeland are they not and they dont have big media corperations bombarding them with pictures of crying families and limbless troops. They have the actual horror of dead and limbless children.

marpat

03-01-2010, 06:26 PM

IEDs only kill american troops, which is a good thing

They also kill British soldiers. Is that a good thing too?

geezer661

03-01-2010, 06:29 PM

They also kill British soldiers. Is that a good thing too?

read my other reply

marpat

03-01-2010, 06:31 PM

and whts tht represent? tht they are bristich troops and not american? They are fighting under the leadership of american forces. Tht basically makes them American troops. Why all the sympathy for the troops. They know they are part of an illegal invasion force and everyone cries when they get blown up. Like it's some big unexpected thing. You can't even see past the properganda of this help for heros nonesense. Its been created to keep up the support of the wars.

Support for the war? you might find most people want to get out of those countries. In Britain there is a strong tradition of supporting our forces but not always being in favour of the wars we end up involved in. There is a difference!!!

Are you a muslim by any chance, being from Walsall?

geezer661

03-01-2010, 06:32 PM

That was very touching all the soldiers missing limbs.

They shouldnt even be there. At all. As anyone taking in this kind of info already knows.

Blows away any idea of calling anyone a terrorist apologist.

I cant believe you all fall for this properganda. You never see the funerals of all the innocence blown to pieces in afghanistan. But no you all go arrrrr poor troops when your bombarded with the pictures of the troops in the MSM. You can see how yr being used by the corperate press

geezer661

03-01-2010, 06:34 PM

Support for the war? you might find most people want to get out of those countries. In Britain there is a strong tradition of supporting our forces but not always being in favour of the wars we end up involved in. There is a difference!!!

Are you a muslim by any chance, being from Walsall?

so because im against the illegal wars and the slaughter of innocense and the shamefull use of maimed british troops as properganda that makes me muslim?

marpat

03-01-2010, 06:44 PM

so because im against the illegal wars and the slaughter of innocense and the shamefull use of maimed british troops as properganda that makes me muslim?

I was just asking. Perhaps you prefer the taliban being in power still, killing people for having long hair and the like :rolleyes:. People condemn the west but the people in power before we went there were no better. Makes me laugh when British muslims get caught inside Afghanistan then expect our legal system to get them out of jail, claiming they were only there on holiday and the like!!

I have been round this ciruit in here before. Too many people are happy to blame troops and completely deny the muslims out there do anything wrong. When suicide bombers blow markets up or rival mosques they blame it on western agents.

In any war people get caught in the middle and its never good. People get killed by their own sides as well so its never a clear case of us and them. During WWII an American general was killed by friendly fire when US bombers dropped bombs all over his position. All sorts of tragedies happen in war but too many people in here try to pass it off as deliberate killing, citing the few cases where deliberate killing has gone, which also occurs when people break the laws of armed conflict. There are many cases of wounded enemy fighter getting medical treatment next to the people they were trying to kill

As for the legality of war, troops tend not to be into all that stuff. Their trust in politicians to get it right is sometimes misplaced.

I notice that in your profile you state you interest is KILLING. Interesting hobby for a person complaining about people getting killed.

geezer661

03-01-2010, 07:05 PM

I was just asking. Perhaps you prefer the taliban being in power still, killing people for having long hair and the like :rolleyes:. People condemn the west but the people in power before we went there were no better. Makes me laugh when British muslims get caught inside Afghanistan then expect our legal system to get them out of jail, claiming they were only there on holiday and the like!!

I have been round this ciruit in here before. Too many people are happy to blame troops and completely deny the muslims out there do anything wrong. When suicide bombers blow markets up or rival mosques they blame it on western agents.

In any war people get caught in the middle and its never good. People get killed by their own sides as well so its never a clear case of us and them. During WWII an American general was killed by friendly fire when US bombers dropped bombs all over his position. All sorts of tragedies happen in war but too many people in here try to pass it off as deliberate killing, citing the few cases where deliberate killing has gone, which also occurs when people break the laws of armed conflict. There are many cases of wounded enemy fighter getting medical treatment next to the people they were trying to kill

As for the legality of war, troops tend not to be into all that stuff. Their trust in politicians to get it right is sometimes misplaced.

I notice that in your profile you state you interest is KILLING. Interesting hobby for a person complaining about people getting killed.

yes its whts called a joke. I think you actually believe we went there to free people from the taliban. Please stop reading and watching the MSM

eternal wheel

03-01-2010, 07:25 PM

They have the actual horror of dead and limbless children.
well they want to brush up on their parenting skill then, don't they. WTF are they doing letting their kids run around in a war zone??
whether it should be a war zone or not is a different issue....

eternal wheel

03-01-2010, 07:27 PM

You never see the funerals of all the innocence blown to pieces in afghanistan.

because we don't give a shit.
it's not news.
they ain't innocents, who do you think is maiming all our troops?? pixies??

marpat

03-01-2010, 07:33 PM

yes its whts called a joke. I think you actually believe we went there to free people from the taliban. Please stop reading and watching the MSM

I dont believe that but they is still nothing good about them

Nice to see that you think killing is a joke!!!!

mynameis

04-01-2010, 08:31 AM

there you go.

You post indicates this is proof that those people murdered were responsible? Where is your evidence then? Come on....I am still waiting.

grannymoose

04-01-2010, 10:10 AM

eternal wheel

04-01-2010, 11:55 AM

You post indicates this is proof that those people murdered were responsible?
that doesn't make sense, please try english..

Where is your evidence then? Come on....I am still waiting.

you asked for proof that IED's were killing and maiming troops randomly, i provided pics of troops randomly maimed and killed as a result of IED's.
where's your proof that "innocents" are being killed then? come on.... i am waiting.
actual pics, not just cut-n-paste spoon-fed pro-terrorist propaganda.

eternal wheel

04-01-2010, 11:58 AM

There missing more than limbs. COMMON SENSE.
in much the same way as you're missing tact and compassion.....

eternal wheel

04-01-2010, 12:11 PM

I wish we could settle differences without killing each other.

yeh, in fluffy-bunny land, but not in the real world.

mynameis

04-01-2010, 05:38 PM

that doesn't make sense, please try english..

you asked for proof that IED's were killing and maiming troops randomly, i provided pics of troops randomly maimed and killed as a result of IED's.
where's your proof that "innocents" are being killed then? come on.... i am waiting.
actual pics, not just cut-n-paste spoon-fed pro-terrorist propaganda.

It is English with a captial E. The burden of proof lies with you and your boundless accusations. It's called proven innocent before guilty. It's not the other way around. Xe could be manufacturing IEDs to lengthen the war. So could other unfriendly countries if it is in their interests.

phildee3

04-01-2010, 05:43 PM

yeh, in fluffy-bunny land, but not in the real world.

You think that killing one another settles differences in this world?? :eek:

I'd say you're the one who's in fluffy-bunny land!

eternal wheel

04-01-2010, 06:18 PM

The burden of proof lies with you
no, i've supplied photos for my proof, you've supplied nothing but empty retoric.

It's called proven innocent before guilty. It's not the other way around.
perhaps you could go over and explain that to the taliban, it doesn't seem to be a concept they have much grasp of.....

eternal wheel

04-01-2010, 06:20 PM

You think that killing one another settles differences in this world??
are you talking globally, or one-to-one?

mr_pixie

04-01-2010, 06:25 PM

Bump

eternal wheel

04-01-2010, 06:27 PM

bump??
i only posted 5 mins previously??

mr_pixie

04-01-2010, 06:32 PM

bump??
i only posted 5 mins previously??

I want it on my user CP other wise it will be lost. I dont have the internet time to comment on every thread. I might us some of this stuff in the future.

Take care.

mynameis

04-01-2010, 06:46 PM

no, i've supplied photos for my proof, you've supplied nothing but empty retoric.

perhaps you could go over and explain that to the taliban, it doesn't seem to be a concept they have much grasp of.....

So blame the whole population and let god sort em out? I see where you are going, you think exactly like fascist scum.

geezer661

04-01-2010, 07:28 PM

well they want to brush up on their parenting skill then, don't they. WTF are they doing letting their kids run around in a war zone??
whether it should be a war zone or not is a different issue....

oh ffs pls tell me tht was a joke post. No one can be that dumb surely

I know how fucking dumb can the parents be letting them play in their house while a big fuck off american bomb drops through the ceiling. fuckin dumb parents

geezer661

04-01-2010, 07:30 PM

in much the same way as you're missing tact and compassion.....

pls tell me y ppl like u are so shocked about limbless troops. They go to a fuckin warzone ffs what do u think is going to happen? get hit with fucking paintballs

eternal wheel

04-01-2010, 07:37 PM

So blame the whole population and let god sort em out? I see where you are going, you think exactly like fascist scum.

are you saying the whole population are taliban??
i'm dissapointed. name calling so early in the debate only confirms the weakness of your position.

eternal wheel

04-01-2010, 07:39 PM

oh ffs pls tell me tht was a joke post.
kinda.;):p

eternal wheel

04-01-2010, 07:51 PM

ppl like u
:confused::confused: you know me?
They go to a fuckin warzone ffs what do u think is going to happen? get hit with fucking paintballs
war zone..... two sides fighting. yet all you bleat on about is the poor 'stans. if you like them that much fuck off over there and live. then see how much freedom and free expression you've got.:rolleyes: it's easy for you to sit there in your comfy armchair pontificating about how hard done by the afghans are, you seem to forget that it was the western troops fighting and defeating the axis powers that enable you to be able to do that. or are you a 'lets all just talk' "i have a piece of paper from herr hitler" fool? negotiation is best done from a position of power, and we need armed forces for that. do i think they should be in 'stan? no. but they are, and until we can get them out they should have our FULL support. hand-wringing pinko leftie taliban supporting terrorist appologists should be done for treason.

geezer661

04-01-2010, 07:57 PM

:confused::confused: you know me?

war zone..... two sides fighting. yet all you bleat on about is the poor 'stans. if you like them that much fuck off over there and live. then see how much freedom and free expression you've got.:rolleyes: it's easy for you to sit there in your comfy armchair pontificating about how hard done by the afghans are, you seem to forget that it was the western troops fighting and defeating the axis powers that enable you to be able to do that. or are you a 'lets all just talk' "i have a piece of paper from herr hitler" fool? negotiation is best done from a position of power, and we need armed forces for that. do i think they should be in 'stan? no. but they are, and until we can get them out they should have our FULL support. hand-wringing pinko leftie taliban supporting terrorist appologists should be done for treason.

yes of course we were fighting for freedom in WW2 how thick of me. Also we're there to rid the world of the evil taliban im just so stupid for not realising tht.

I dont bleat on about the poor stans I bleat on about innocence from any country being blown up by the elite.

The nazis once said that to take a country to war you have to have a phoney outside enemy and to use nationalism to brain wash the public. So well done for tht.

mynameis

04-01-2010, 08:00 PM

are you saying the whole population are taliban??
i'm dissapointed. name calling so early in the debate only confirms the weakness of your position.

You called them murderers you are the one with unsubstantiated name calling.

mynameis

04-01-2010, 08:03 PM

:confused::confused: you know me?

war zone..... two sides fighting. yet all you bleat on about is the poor 'stans. if you like them that much fuck off over there and live. then see how much freedom and free expression you've got.:rolleyes: it's easy for you to sit there in your comfy armchair pontificating about how hard done by the afghans are, you seem to forget that it was the western troops fighting and defeating the axis powers that enable you to be able to do that. or are you a 'lets all just talk' "i have a piece of paper from herr hitler" fool? negotiation is best done from a position of power, and we need armed forces for that. do i think they should be in 'stan? no. but they are, and until we can get them out they should have our FULL support. hand-wringing pinko leftie taliban supporting terrorist appologists should be done for treason.

It's way better than being a low brow right wing socialist fascist nazi apologist! I suppose you think that the Palestinians who are oppressed deserve it too. You are a piece o ----. In case you haven't figured it out yet, collective punishment applies to everyone. You included. You are deluded. I hope collective punishment rains down on your head one day just like in Afghanistan and Palestine. Then maybe you'll wise up. This is the exact thing that happened with the nazi's in Europe to all ethnic minorities and innocent people. It would be one thing to have areas evacuated that are a war zone, its another to pontificate that this actually happens in reality.

eternal wheel

04-01-2010, 08:08 PM

I suppose you think that the Palestinians who are oppressed deserve it too. You are a piece o ----.

quite the opposite, my dear.
are we still allowed to post about how much we detest jewery??

eternal wheel

04-01-2010, 08:10 PM

I dont bleat on about the poor stans I bleat on about innocence from any country being blown up by the elite.

well bleat on a bit about how the elite are destroying our country by the back door then.

mynameis

04-01-2010, 08:13 PM

quite the opposite, my dear.
are we still allowed to post about how much we detest jewery??

You are easily manipulated by those in power and don't even realize you are brainwashed.

Team B - YouTube

geezer661

04-01-2010, 08:30 PM

well bleat on a bit about how the elite are destroying our country by the back door then.

i think they r in a worse situation than us at the moment dont you?

eternal wheel

04-01-2010, 08:53 PM

couldn't give two fucks about them. they ain't gonna look out for me when this country goes tits-up, so why should i care about them? it's a look after number one, dog eat dog world we live in.

geezer661

04-01-2010, 09:17 PM

branjo

04-01-2010, 09:48 PM

couldn't give two fucks about them. they ain't gonna look out for me when this country goes tits-up, so why should i care about them? it's a look after number one, dog eat dog world we live in.

That maybe applicable if you were a dog, but your not, your a sniveling little pussy who knows fuck all about anything.

You think showing a few photos of grieving British or American widows is proof of any kind of equality to this war. All it does is strengthen the hatred of little brown people in a land far far away where no one can hear the bombs and bullets hit from where they are except what the idiot box tells them.

Why don't you get the pictures of every single Iraqi or Afghan child who has lost both their parents, brothers, sisters or their limbs before they reach 10 years old, and then compare them to the tiny selection you have on allied casualties. Then try use your fucked up sense of justice to explain it.

Last time I looked no American or British kids were coming home with their legs blown off, Afghan and Iraqi children go home to a house demolished by bombs dropped from the air or shot from a launcher indiscriminately, to find their whole family dead. Then when they retaliate they are called insurgents or terrorists, if the shoe was on the other foot you would be that insurgent and you would be that terrorist ya fuckwit.

The US and UK leadership know this and it is what they depend on, sheep who can be ordered to hate on command.

A person doesn't join the armed forces out of a sense of right and wrong, they join from a misguided concept of things like dignity, honor and respect, or else its the only job going for undereducated individuals trying to give meaning to their life. They take those things to mean, follow your orders no matter how heinous they may be and we will hang a piece of tin on your chest or drape your coffin with your national flag (that we won't show on TV as it interferes with the support needed to blow primitive people into oblivion), and oh how the family will be proud enough to raise another child and send them straight into military life, to follow in the footsteps of other family sheep.

If any soldier had so much as an ounce of decency honor and respect, they would take one look at the alleged "battlefield" then turn around and put a bullet where it belongs, in the head of the commanding officer ordering the systematic oppression of a people who have seen thousands of years of war yet won't lie down for anyone, that's fucking dignity and you cannot kill that with a smart bomb.

These people have nothing near the weaponry of the Allied forces and you complain that the equipment isn't good enough like flak jackets can't stop certain bullets or their armor plating isn't up to par, try sending them into battle in T Shirts and Jeans.

I am fucking sick of this misplaced sympathy for the aggressors and not the victims of our complacency both in the US and UK. These wars were started under lies and propaganda and we all know the reasons point more to our own governments and not to these people in the middle east.

You can take just ONE picture of a dead Iraqi child and I would gladly give the limbs of the entire armed forces of the illegal occupation of 2 countries that had no part in 9/11, to prevent that ONE child from dying.

Unless the UK and US societies are the PERFECT reflection of justice and peace then how the fuck do we have any right in telling the rest of the world how to live. Even if we never again had a terrorist threat we would still be slowly murdered by our own governments who think that population control through "curable" diseases are more important than a healthy citizen.

Saddam Hussein and the Taliban could have ruled for a hundred years and the fatalities wouldn't have came close to what OUR countries did in a couple of years of pointless unjustified war.

I doubt even a member of your own family would lift a finger to help an embarrassment like you. The same people who are destroying their country are the same people that are destroying your country you fucking fool.

phildee3

04-01-2010, 11:38 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3defm8SQ9o

Institutionalised paranoia.

eternal wheel

05-01-2010, 10:17 AM

That maybe applicable if you were a dog, but your not, your a sniveling little pussy who knows fuck all about anything.
is that the best you can come up with??:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Why don't you get the pictures of every single Iraqi or Afghan child who has lost both their parents, brothers, sisters or their limbs before they reach 10 years old, and then compare them to the tiny selection you have on allied casualties. Then try use your fucked up sense of justice to explain it.
because outside of a few nutters, no one cares.

Last time I looked no American or British kids were coming home with their legs blown off,
well look again then. the kids coming back limbless are just that, 18 year old kids.

A person doesn't join the armed forces out of a sense of right and wrong, they join from a misguided concept of things like dignity, honor and respect, or else its the only job going for undereducated individuals trying to give meaning to their life.
and you know that how?? have you asked them all?? you're just spouting bollocks with nothing to back it up and expecting it to be taken as fact just on your say-so.

If any soldier had so much as an ounce of decency honor and respect, they would take one look at the alleged "battlefield" then turn around and put a bullet where it belongs, in the head of the commanding officer ordering the systematic oppression of a people who have seen thousands of years of war yet won't lie down for anyone, that's fucking dignity and you cannot kill that with a smart bomb.
ahh, so you advocate murder of middle class whites, but not of lower class coloureds? isn't that blatant racism? these 'little brown' people you're so fond of have been killing each other for centuries in feudal conflicts. not the brightest buttons in the box then, eh. do you not think they'd find it highly patronising to be called 'little brown people' by one such as you?

These people have nothing near the weaponry of the Allied forces
yes they have. check your facts before spouting more bullshit. even our military complain that their night vision stuff is better than ours. they are very well funded by arms companies etc, who won't make much out of a single-sided conflict that is over quickly.... that's where you should be venting your anger, not at our troops.

I am fucking sick of this misplaced sympathy for the aggressors and not the victims
and i'm fucking sick of this misplaced sympathy for the terrorists and not the troops

These wars were started under lies and propaganda and we all know the reasons point more to our own governments and not to these people in the middle east.
totally agree. but our troops are there now, and until we can get them out they deserve our full support and the best equipment there is.

You can take just ONE picture of a dead Iraqi child and I would gladly give the limbs of the entire armed forces of the illegal occupation of 2 countries that had no part in 9/11, to prevent that ONE child from dying.
well that makes you an evil advocate of mass murder and a sick bastard. i would gladly give the life of one iraqi child to prevent all the limbs of the entire armed forces being lost.

Unless the UK and US societies are the PERFECT reflection of justice and peace then how the fuck do we have any right in telling the rest of the world how to live.
we don't.

Saddam Hussein and the Taliban could have ruled for a hundred years and the fatalities wouldn't have came close to what OUR countries did in a couple of years of pointless unjustified war.
you have no way of knowing that, so it's just more pointless sensationalist retoric.

branjo

05-01-2010, 05:30 PM

is that the best you can come up with??:rolleyes::rolleyes:

You don't deserve the best son.

because outside of a few nutters, no one cares.

We all know who the "nutter" here is.

well look again then. the kids coming back limbless are just that, 18 year old kids.

At 18 You are an Adult, didn't anyone tell you that? They weren't drafted, they had the choice whether to join or not, even after joining they still have the option to say "no its an illegal war", but they don't, why? Because they have already been brainwashed as I said before, with fucked up concepts of what honor and courage really is. They have been tricked into giving more loyalty to a uniform than human life, and I am very sorry but anyone who thinks like that deserves everything they get.

and you know that how?? have you asked them all?? you're just spouting bollocks with nothing to back it up and expecting it to be taken as fact just on your say-so.

Try reading something from a website without .gov at the end of it for a change. Listen to REAL soldiers who went to fight a war and when they got there they knew there was no war, it was the slaughter of men women and children who want nothing more than to be left the fuck alone. You haven't got a moral, ethical or legal leg to stand on because you support an illegal occupation, which means everyone there with a British or American uniform on are criminals, but to them its excusable to be a criminal for a country that is going to reward them for the crime and not punish them for it.

ahh, so you advocate murder of middle class whites, but not of lower class coloureds? isn't that blatant racism? these 'little brown' people you're so fond of have been killing each other for centuries in feudal conflicts. not the brightest buttons in the box then, eh. do you not think they'd find it highly patronising to be called 'little brown people' by one such as you?

The last time I looked, the intake to the armed forces both UK and US were not all white, but then the white casualties make a far better picture for sheep like you to try and milk some more emotional blackmail and guilt out of it. And I thought you would have gotten what I meant about "little brown people" but clearly you didn't, the term "little brown people" was how people like "you" think of these people, because you show them no respect as human beings, do not try and play any kind of racism bullshit with me sunshine because anything you can come up with I will eat and shit you for it.

yes they have. check your facts before spouting more bullshit. even our military complain that their night vision stuff is better than ours. they are very well funded by arms companies etc, who won't make much out of a single-sided conflict that is over quickly.... that's where you should be venting your anger, not at our troops.

Lmao, ok so these "insurgents" have, Artillery, Tanks, AC-130H Spectre gunships, AHA64 Apache helicopter gunships, F-22's, F-16s, F-18s, AWACS, Satellites imaging, Unmanned Attack Drones, Aircraft Carriers parked in the Persian Gulf with an unlimited supply of ammunition and a steady supply of funding from the wealthiest countries on the planet all being held into line by the phrase "If you are not with us you are with the terrorists". And you are going to try your best to bring the argument that they have better night vision goggles?

Do you wait for the "special" bus to come pick you up in the mornings or what?

and i'm fucking sick of this misplaced sympathy for the terrorists and not the troops

Again, stop getting all your info from websites that end in .gov "Terrorists" oh you silly silly little fool. As this was told to you by OUR governments, this is a direct response to nations that harbor and train terrorists, so why are we in Iraq and Afghanistan and not Saudi Arabia? Can you answer me that one? Secondly how many Iraqi prisoners have been charged AND found guilty of terrorism? What legal stand point does a system of justice have, to charge a man of a crime for defending the liberty and freedom of his country, how do you justify convicting a man for that? please tell me I am all ears.

totally agree. but our troops are there now, and until we can get them out they deserve our full support and the best equipment there is.

So you agree that they are illegal wars and started under a lie, so your common sense tells you that "Ok we are there now, so we might as well just fight it anyway", and that is logical to you? The second the entire country is in possession of the truth about these wars, and removes the SUPPORT for the military action, is the second the troops will have to be pulled out, the troops work for "US" not the government you fucking ignoramus, the longer we "support the troops" the longer they will be there killing and dying.

well that makes you an evil advocate of mass murder and a sick bastard. i would gladly give the life of one iraqi child to prevent all the limbs of the entire armed forces being lost.

Oh how the irony in that quote just warms the cockles of my heart.

You think that makes me an advocate of mass murder? lmao, well over a 1,000,000 dead Iraqis and Afghans vs 4,000 Allied troops who made the fully conscious choice to do what they do. Tell me shit head, have you ever seen a dead child? Have you ever searched in rubble and found body parts? Have you ever been shot at by an AK47? Have you ever been caught in a bomb blast? Cause I have, and I will tell you this, a woman crying over her husband or sons legs being lost pails into insignificance to a women crying holding a dead blood soaked child.

When foreign troops invade a country, every single citizen in that country has got every right to defend that country with their life and to repel a foreign illegal occupation that is carrying out the systematic destruction of a people because they were born on land that is rich in natural resource, and in a prime position to attack another country with even more natural resources.

You go and ask your Grandpa or Grandma was it wrong to fight the Nazis and since they invaded Europe was it not just better to support them anyway since they were there, and if they are still able to get up and smack you around the head, I guarantee they will.

we don't.

We don't what, have a perfect society? or tell the rest of the world how to live? Well, when the political system of one country (ours) purposefully destabilizes the political or economic system of another country that will not deal with our country, and our country removes the leadership of that country and give the leadership positions to corporate monkeys that have no experience on how to run a country but will gladly bend over for our countries, then YES, we sure as shit do.

you have no way of knowing that, so it's just more pointless sensationalist retoric.

Well as I have talked to people from the middle east and Iraq about how they felt about Saddam, the general consensus is, they would rather have him back tomorrow than have to put up with what they have now, so yes I do have a way of knowing that. Why don't you take a walk one day, and instead of looking down your snotty little nose at Arab people, ask them, "Who is worse, Saddam and the Taliban, or the foreign armies who invaded their country, Illegally?

And last but not least,

Do you think in your pea sized brain that everyone here doesn't know what your at? You are only here to just get some sense of confrontation for your boring little grief filled life. I would call you a shill but you haven't made a single calculated statement about anything more than the bullshit propaganda that you have swallowed hook line and sinker, you will wake up one day and realize that the lies are coming from the exact same place that you held in high regard once, and you will know how it feels.

Its obvious to me and others here than you are no older than maybe 17, have no kids, and all through school were probably looking forward to join the military and be Rambo for a couple of years and then leave with a some medals on your chest, so that you can cry into your beer and say that you saw war and you fought for something like Justice and Freedom, and now your little plan has been ruined because you don't want to believe the truth that is staring you in the face, that its all bullshit.

I know because I was there 20 years ago, and after getting a family of my own and knowing what I would do for my kids to protect them, and what I would do to the person (soldier or not) if they took my sons life.

I can relate as a human being to the people in these countries who from the moment that first tomahawk missile flew into their cities, they had no idea what it was for or what they had done to deserve it.

You might as well have a micro chip in your head controlling your ass, because your brain at the moment is fucking useless.

Now fuck off.

eternal wheel

05-01-2010, 06:05 PM

:D:D:D:D:D:rolleyes:

entrangermercenary

05-01-2010, 06:17 PM

You don't deserve the best son.

We all know who the "nutter" here is.

At 18 You are an Adult, didn't anyone tell you that? They weren't drafted, they had the choice whether to join or not, even after joining they still have the option to say "no its an illegal war", but they don't, why? Because they have already been brainwashed as I said before, with fucked up concepts of what honor and courage really is. They have been tricked into giving more loyalty to a uniform than human life, and I am very sorry but anyone who thinks like that deserves everything they get.

Try reading something from a website without .gov at the end of it for a change. Listen to REAL soldiers who went to fight a war and when they got there they knew there was no war, it was the slaughter of men women and children who want nothing more than to be left the fuck alone. You haven't got a moral, ethical or legal leg to stand on because you support an illegal occupation, which means everyone there with a British or American uniform on are criminals, but to them its excusable to be a criminal for a country that is going to reward them for the crime and not punish them for it.

The last time I looked, the intake to the armed forces both UK and US were not all white, but then the white casualties make a far better picture for sheep like you to try and milk some more emotional blackmail and guilt out of it. And I thought you would have gotten what I meant about "little brown people" but clearly you didn't, the term "little brown people" was how people like "you" think of these people, because you show them no respect as human beings, do not try and play any kind of racism bullshit with me sunshine because anything you can come up with I will eat and shit you for it.

Lmao, ok so these "insurgents" have, Artillery, Tanks, AC-130H Spectre gunships, AHA64 Apache helicopter gunships, F-22's, F-16s, F-18s, AWACS, Satellites imaging, Unmanned Attack Drones, Aircraft Carriers parked in the Persian Gulf with an unlimited supply of ammunition and a steady supply of funding from the wealthiest countries on the planet all being held into line by the phrase "If you are not with us you are with the terrorists". And you are going to try your best to bring the argument that they have better night vision goggles?

Do you wait for the "special" bus to come pick you up in the mornings or what?

Again, stop getting all your info from websites that end in .gov "Terrorists" oh you silly silly little fool. As this was told to you by OUR governments, this is a direct response to nations that harbor and train terrorists, so why are we in Iraq and Afghanistan and not Saudi Arabia? Can you answer me that one? Secondly how many Iraqi prisoners have been charged AND found guilty of terrorism? What legal stand point does a system of justice have, to charge a man of a crime for defending the liberty and freedom of his country, how do you justify convicting a man for that? please tell me I am all ears.

So you agree that they are illegal wars and started under a lie, so your common sense tells you that "Ok we are there now, so we might as well just fight it anyway", and that is logical to you? The second the entire country is in possession of the truth about these wars, and removes the SUPPORT for the military action, is the second the troops will have to be pulled out, the troops work for "US" not the government you fucking ignoramus, the longer we "support the troops" the longer they will be there killing and dying.

Oh how the irony in that quote just warms the cockles of my heart.

You think that makes me an advocate of mass murder? lmao, well over a 1,000,000 dead Iraqis and Afghans vs 4,000 Allied troops who made the fully conscious choice to do what they do. Tell me shit head, have you ever seen a dead child? Have you ever searched in rubble and found body parts? Have you ever been shot at by an AK47? Have you ever been caught in a bomb blast? Cause I have, and I will tell you this, a woman crying over her husband or sons legs being lost pails into insignificance to a women crying holding a dead blood soaked child.

When foreign troops invade a country, every single citizen in that country has got every right to defend that country with their life and to repel a foreign illegal occupation that is carrying out the systematic destruction of a people because they were born on land that is rich in natural resource, and in a prime position to attack another country with even more natural resources.

You go and ask your Grandpa or Grandma was it wrong to fight the Nazis and since they invaded Europe was it not just better to support them anyway since they were there, and if they are still able to get up and smack you around the head, I guarantee they will.

We don't what, have a perfect society? or tell the rest of the world how to live? Well, when the political system of one country (ours) purposefully destabilizes the political or economic system of another country that will not deal with our country, and our country removes the leadership of that country and give the leadership positions to corporate monkeys that have no experience on how to run a country but will gladly bend over for our countries, then YES, we sure as shit do.

Well as I have talked to people from the middle east and Iraq about how they felt about Saddam, the general consensus is, they would rather have him back tomorrow than have to put up with what they have now, so yes I do have a way of knowing that. Why don't you take a walk one day, and instead of looking down your snotty little nose at Arab people, ask them, "Who is worse, Saddam and the Taliban, or the foreign armies who invaded their country, Illegally?

And last but not least,

Do you think in your pea sized brain that everyone here doesn't know what your at? You are only here to just get some sense of confrontation for your boring little grief filled life. I would call you a shill but you haven't made a single calculated statement about anything more than the bullshit propaganda that you have swallowed hook line and sinker, you will wake up one day and realize that the lies are coming from the exact same place that you held in high regard once, and you will know how it feels.

Its obvious to me and others here than you are no older than maybe 17, have no kids, and all through school were probably looking forward to join the military and be Rambo for a couple of years and then leave with a some medals on your chest, so that you can cry into your beer and say that you saw war and you fought for something like Justice and Freedom, and now your little plan has been ruined because you don't want to believe the truth that is staring you in the face, that its all bullshit.

I know because I was there 20 years ago, and after getting a family of my own and knowing what I would do for my kids to protect them, and what I would do to the person (soldier or not) if they took my sons life.

I can relate as a human being to the people in these countries who from the moment that first tomahawk missile flew into their cities, they had no idea what it was for or what they had done to deserve it.

You might as well have a micro chip in your head controlling your ass, because your brain at the moment is fucking useless.

Now fuck off.

Little brown people lol how quaint.

As for why people join the armed forces its for a variaty of reasons, not just the shit you posted :rolleyes:

Yes if this country was invaded I would be an insurgent/terrorist whatever the fuck you want to call them :) But I think you are the type of twatt who would be a collaborator son
If you are so concerned why dont you go over and join the insurgents. This is where your argument falls down, not just you tho. People come on here gobbing off about the war, and I always say why you here and not over there fighting. Just fucking hot air as usual :rolleyes:

Tell me a good reason why you cant go and fight in Afghanistan then.???? Holds breath.... , Or preempt the west and go to Iran as will that not be where the next conflict takes place. There you can tell your little brown people how you are here to support them as there is fuck all you can do in your own country and are disgusted by the views of the west.

branjo

05-01-2010, 07:16 PM

Still trying to make an issue out of my sarcastic remark of "little brown people", pull your head out of your arse and try again....lol.

Remember the anti war movement that tried to stop the Vietnam war by saying that troops were going thousands of miles just to kill "little yellow people"? Now do you think they were saying that because they were racist against the Vietnamese or trying to invoke some common sense that the war then is the same as the war now, a big fucking lie.

And 50,000 American deaths later what did they do? They pulled out "defeated" and the soldiers were treated like shit when they came back.

Why won't I go and "kill" people in Afghanistan? Do you seriously require an answer to that? Ok then here goes, are you ready, strap in tight and open your tiny mind real wide.

"BECAUSE I WON'T KILL PEOPLE FOR YOU OR ANYONE ELSE THAT HAVE DONE FUCK ALL TO ME",

Hows that, clear enough for you?

I will continue to VOICE MY OPINION because that is a "right" I agree with. And before you spout your preconceived ideas about the world, no one "had" to die to give me that right, I fucking claimed it as my own regardless of the country of my origin.

I will continue to ask people why they think joining any kind of Army in war time or in peace time is excusable when there is any amount of proof that the people who join such things are used and sacrificed for political agendas.

So you think that people still join the military to see the world and be all they can be or to get an education do you...lol, please, tell it to someone who is as retarded as yourself. People join the army out of either family tradition, poverty or because they believe the bullshit propaganda that is rammed down their throats from they were born, and yes it happens on both sides of any war.

And you can bold type "little brown People" until you are blue in the face, you're as transparent as the tool you came to back up.

Now run along armchair warrior, there's a good little chap.

eternal wheel

05-01-2010, 07:31 PM

You don't deserve the best son.
gee, thanks pops. :rolleyes:

fucked up concepts of what honor and courage really is. They have been tricked into giving more loyalty to a uniform than human life, and I am very sorry but anyone who thinks like that deserves everything they get.
i think you're the one with fucked up concepts of honor and loyalty. deserve everything they get? how compassionate and humane of you. i'd like to put you in a room with the friends and relatives of our fallen and hear you bleat on about the poor little brown people then....

Listen to REAL soldiers who went to fight a war
i have. have you? i have close friends who served in the falklands and N.I.

You haven't got a moral, ethical or legal leg to stand on because you support an illegal occupation,
if you bothered reading other peoples posts, instead of just posting bollocks you'd see i'm opposed to it. :rolleyes:

how people like "you" think of these people, do not try and play any kind of racism bullshit with me sunshine because anything you can come up with I will eat and shit you for it.
people like me? what? ones that disagree with you?
and idle threats too, how very adult of you. :rolleyes:

Artillery, Tanks, AC-130H Spectre gunships, AHA64 Apache helicopter gunships, F-22's, F-16s, F-18s, AWACS, Satellites imaging, Unmanned Attack Drones,
google is your friend. :p
my arguement was they are well funded and supplied, not just poor little brown fellas in jeans and t shirts with nothing more than a 30 year old AK and some milk bottles full of petrol, as you're trying very hard to get people to believe. if that were the case the 'war' would've been over in days.

so why are we in Iraq and Afghanistan and not Saudi Arabia? Can you answer me that one?
coz they give the yanks their oil.

Secondly how many Iraqi prisoners have been charged AND found guilty of terrorism?
don't care.

The second the entire country is in possession of the truth about these wars, and removes the SUPPORT for the military action, is the second the troops will have to be pulled out,
agree, that's why i'm actively opposed to the 'wars'. removing support for the war is a political action, and doesn't include taking the piss out of british servicemen, or backing the 'little brown fellas'.

Tell me shit head, have you ever seen a dead child? Have you ever searched in rubble and found body parts? Have you ever been shot at by an AK47? Have you ever been caught in a bomb blast? Cause I have, and I will tell you this, a woman crying over her husband or sons legs being lost pails into insignificance to a women crying holding a dead blood soaked child.
yes. no. no. no.

You go and ask your Grandpa or Grandma was it wrong to fight the Nazis and since they invaded Europe was it not just better to support them anyway since they were there, and if they are still able to get up and smack you around the head, I guarantee they will.
they're dead.

Its obvious to me and others here than you are no older than maybe 17, have no kids, and all through school were probably looking forward to join the military
which makes you what? 5 at best. :rolleyes:

what I would do to the person (soldier or not) if they took my sons life.
something we agree on.

Now fuck off.

err, no.

eternal wheel

05-01-2010, 07:36 PM

I will continue to VOICE MY OPINION because that is a "right" I agree with. And before you spout your preconceived ideas about the world, no one "had" to die to give me that right, I fucking claimed it as my own regardless of the country of my origin.

well put.
i claim that right to.

entrangermercenary

05-01-2010, 08:37 PM

branjo

05-01-2010, 08:43 PM

i have. have you? i have close friends who served in the falklands and N.I.

I have relatives that were in the Falklands, friends that didn't come back from Iraq and family members that are still there, and I was born and raised in Belfast, Northern Ireland and seen a lot of things I wish I could erase from my memory.

if you bothered reading other peoples posts, instead of just posting bollocks you'd see i'm opposed to it. :rolleyes:

Really, I think you should go back and read all your posts and look at the reception they received from basically everyone in the thread, and then ask yourself why I posted directly to you, I find it admirable that you don't agree with the war, but your wearing a false heart on your sleeve if you think supporting the troops is going to somehow miraculously bring them home, what we should be doing it telling them they are being manipulated to fight because of lies. Their mail is even being vetted because people were sending them videos and documents of how people feel back home. So most don't even know how the country feel, they come home with the attitude that the "hippies" are whats wrong with America.

google is your friend. :p
my arguement was they are well funded and supplied, not just poor little brown fellas in jeans and t shirts with nothing more than a 30 year old AK and some milk bottles full of petrol, as you're trying very hard to get people to believe. if that were the case the 'war' would've been over in days.

The war was over in days, the Iraqi army were surrendering to reporters for christ sake, after "gulf war part 1" they went as far as they could legally, Iraq retreated out of Kuwait and suffered the sectioning of their country and a demolished moral and military. They were beaten case closed, then the whole WMD bullshit came up and fear was driven into the people and piss and venom was driven in to the military personnel, and then we had 9/11 and it was blank cheque time for the corrupt faction that does the bidding for international bankers to do and take what they want.

don't care.
There is the problem right there, that's the attitude of someone who basically couldn't care less about whats being done in his or her name but just has a problem when it affects only them.

agree, that's why i'm actively opposed to the 'wars'. removing support for the war is a political action, and doesn't include taking the piss out of british servicemen, or backing the 'little brown fellas'.

Let me let you into a little secret, politics isn't working and won't work. You are looking for a political solution are you, well everyone who voted for Obama thought the same thing, I was even prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt, and how did that work out for everyone. If a Presidential candidate can promise an end to the war and when he gets "Selected" for the job, flat out lies and sends more men and women in their thousands to carry on the agenda, and what will people do next, vote for someone else?

The idea of politics solving anything the people want is long dead and gone. We need to cut out the middle man and talk directly to the troops, and say

"You are risking your lives for nothing more than another war that will be blamed solely on the one your fighting now, if you continue to ignore the majority of your own citizens and provoke the people of these countries into retaliating, then we will class you as just as guilty as those who orchestrated the entire thing, because saying 'I was just following orders' will only get you so far."

And I never once took the piss out of any soldier who lost his leg or not, I showed you how ridiculous it was comparing the crying families of a few service men to the hundreds of thousand of families that you basically said you don't give a fuck about, and you also said that if they lost children in the warzone then "what kind of parents let their kids run about in a warzone?"

Want me to tell you what kind of parents do that, "DEAD ONES".

Like I said all hot air with you :rolleyes: Fighters are not the only requirement of an insurgency. You could cook for them , clean there weapons, give speeches about us in the west being all bad and under the influence of the demonic Jewish race. IF you have any horseman skills maybe bring some supplies in for them, Gee them up a bit when the moral is down, maybe blow a few of them just to put a smile on there sad brown faces eh ;)

There we go again assuming you know why every 1 joins the army, fuck me you should go on master mind.

Oh armchair indeed, at least I got off my arse :D:D

Just what I thought you would say, basically nothing but more crap, try again.

entrangermercenary

05-01-2010, 08:57 PM

I have relatives that were in the Falklands, friends that didn't come back from Iraq and family members that are still there, and I was born and raised in Belfast, Northern Ireland and seen a lot of things I wish I could erase from my memory.

Really, I think you should go back and read all your posts and look at the reception they received from basically everyone in the thread, and then ask yourself why I posted directly to you, I find it admirable that you don't agree with the war, but your wearing a false heart on your sleeve if you think supporting the troops is going to somehow miraculously bring them home, what we should be doing it telling them they are being manipulated to fight because of lies. Their mail is even being vetted because people were sending them videos and documents of how people feel back home. So most don't even know how the country feel, they come home with the attitude that the "hippies" are whats wrong with America.

The war was over in days, the Iraqi army were surrendering to reporters for christ sake, after "gulf war part 1" they went as far as they could legally, Iraq retreated out of Kuwait and suffered the sectioning of their country and a demolished moral and military. They were beaten case closed, then the whole WMD bullshit came up and fear was driven into the people and piss and venom was driven in to the military personnel, and then we had 9/11 and it was blank cheque time for the corrupt faction that does the bidding for international bankers to do and take what they want.

There is the problem right there, that's the attitude of someone who basically couldn't care less about whats being done in his or her name but just has a problem when it affects only them.

Let me let you into a little secret, politics isn't working and won't work. You are looking for a political solution are you, well everyone who voted for Obama thought the same thing, I was even prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt, and how did that work out for everyone. If a Presidential candidate can promise an end to the war and when he gets "Selected" for the job, flat out lies and sends more men and women in their thousands to carry on the agenda, and what will people do next, vote for someone else?

The idea of politics solving anything the people want is long dead and gone. We need to cut out the middle man and talk directly to the troops, and say

"You are risking your lives for nothing more than another war that will be blamed solely on the one your fighting now, if you continue to ignore the majority of your own citizens and provoke the people of these countries into retaliating, then we will class you as just as guilty as those who orchestrated the entire thing, because saying 'I was just following orders' will only get you so far."

And I never once took the piss out of any soldier who lost his leg or not, I showed you how ridiculous it was comparing the crying families of a few service men to the hundreds of thousand of families that you basically said you don't give a fuck about, and you also said that if they lost children in the warzone then "what kind of parents let their kids run about in a warzone?"

Want me to tell you what kind of parents do that, "DEAD ONES".

Just what I thought you would say, basically nothing but more crap, try again.

Telepathic as well ... the list goes on... Lets be honest you dont fancy it really. Nice and warm behind the computer eh !! Just think of the moral boost you could give the insurgents by being there and helping. More than likely tho the moral boost for them is when they are sawing your head off, or did that never happen.??

Enough hot air to fill a ballon from you ;)

eternal wheel

05-01-2010, 09:07 PM

The war was over in days, the Iraqi army were surrendering to reporters for christ sake, after "gulf war part 1" they went as far as they could legally, Iraq retreated out of Kuwait and suffered the sectioning of their country and a demolished moral and military. They were beaten case closed,

i was talking about 'stan and the taliban. :confused::confused: