The North American Union on Drugs

[william_mac]

The North American Union on Drugs (http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2007/09/16/exclusive-the-north-american-union-on-drugs-by-william-mac/)

Like most people in this country I was opposed towards the very notion that there may be a North American Union. The possibility that America’s, Canada’s, and Mexico’s leaders could be conspiring in secret behind the great curtains of government caused me to squirm in my sleep and count down the hours until Democracy was destroyed and Big Brother took its place. It all seemed so horrific, so tyrannical, and so unnecessary. I thought about what would happen to the constitution, I thought about the dangers of centralized power… I thought about all of the bad and damaging things that could possibly come with a North American Union such as a one money system, the loss of America’s identity, and so on. Yet, now I just think it’s a damn good idea.

A few weeks ago an old friend of mine called me up, his name is Hugo. He was bringing over his new friend – who’s name I can’t remember. When they arrived Hugo and his friend stepped out of a beat up Toyota Corolla. I immediately noticed that Hugo was with an ex-convict due to the tear tattoo under his left eye. I asked him how long he’d been out, but he didn’t speak English very well so Hugo translated, “long time,” he said, “it back in L.A I in jail for” he concluded. Hugo and his friend are from Mexico. I went to Middle School and High School with Hugo and he lives very near my house still to this day. The reason Hugo and his friend had come over to my house early that evening was to show me their hefty sized bag of blow…which I was fine with. People do blow, and they’re perfectly respectable people, and I was going to sit down with them for an hour and partake just the same.

I offered Hugo and his friend a glass of Brandy; after all, I pride myself on being a good host. After we all sat down quietly around the dining room table, and as the crickets began to chirp in the now cooling Southern air, Hugo, his friend, and I took a car key and dipped it into the bag and breathed in the white dust in small amounts. After the piggish snorting sound resided, and everyone took a sip of their brandy, I began to bring up an issue that I always enjoy bringing up around Latinos: immigration. What better way to get to the roots of any problem in America than to talk to the people that are affected by it most?

I explained to Hugo and his ex-con friend that it was extremely hard for me, and many others, to figure out exactly what kind of stance to take on the issue of immigration. On one end of the spectrum I would like to simply say “get out” and be done with it, yet on the other end I know that such an action is no way to solve a problem. Hugo, who was born in Mexico and traveled across the border with his parents around the age of 3, and his friend who had come across the border himself in his mid teens, agreed with me that the issue was indeed a difficult one to solve. As the conversation progressed I continued to express my desire for some kind of logical solution to the problem, and Hugo translated my thoughts periodically to his friend, and again translated his friend’s thoughts back to me. “He’s good opinions,” said Hugo’s friend in broken English. “No gringos talk this much about immigration with us, and none of them try to understand nothing… they just get angry,” he paused in reflection, took a sip of Brandy, and said sincerely “but, even though I love Mexico it is still poor and no nothing there for anyone, so have to come here, I just want to be happy.”

Both of my guests expressed to me that they wanted Social Security cards. They explained the situation as though if only a Social Security card could be obtained, then their lives would be complete. But, I took the conversation along a different rout. I began asking what could be done in order make Mexico more desirable to live in. “If Mexico was a better place,” I said “then no one would want to leave so badly.” My guests began explaining to me about the drug cartels, the lack of a middle class, the corrupt presidents and police, and how they know much of the U.S Government aids in furthering these problems by making deals with the cartels.

As we all paused for a moment to inhale yet another small amount of the White Lady, take a sip of brandy, and listen for the crickets… it dawned on me; if a North American Union was to be created, perhaps this whole issue could be solved. I brought this up to break the contemplative silence of us all. I explained that perhaps if Mexicans could travel freely to America and Americans could travel just as freely to Mexico, and there was one money system… then Mexico would perhaps begin to prosper. If Mexico began to prosper, and people could travel between borders just fine… then there would be no major immigration issues, and both countries could benefit. What was I saying though? I was entirely against the North American Union, or so I thought. “Then maybe all the gringos want to come to Mexico!” laughed my new Mexican ex-con friend.

After spending an hour and a half in what has become one of the most relaxing and enlightening conversations I have ever had, I bid my guests goodbye. I sat down on my porch and lit a cigarette and began to go over the reasons as to why I was so against a North American Union. After the conversation, the whole concept of a North American Union just seemed like it would make things easier, and would solve a lot of problems. Sure, there would be dangers. The government and corporations would no doubt attempt to exert more economic and social control over us as citizens… but as always it is our job as citizens to combat such tyranny. And, hell, with a major issue like immigration out of the way, we could concentrate on preventing tyranny as a greater majority and as closer brethren. If we could handle this right, I thought to myself, then a North American Union could be very good for all of us, and could make life in this continent much more simple. Besides, I concluded, I’ve been wanting to make a trip down to Mexico for a long time, but I keep forgetting to get a passport.

What do you guys think?



-William
www.William-Mac.com

[gonzo power]

I think it's bullshit, William, no offense. The idea is that Americans traveling to Mexico would help Mexico, but I just don't see that happening. Not enough Americans would want to do this to the extent where it would help the Mexican economy. The NAU is nothing but a bad idea and a stepping stone. The EU, the AU, the NAU, and finally an Asian or Pacific Union are or would be nothing but stepping stones to a one world government. Besides, the vast majority of Americans would be against a NAU. That's the only reason I need for it not to happen.

[king]

read Jaque Attali's "winners and losers"

it is all spelled there.

on page 77 it says:

in the u.s. where Hispanic population is 20 million (old figures -- book was written in 90's) migration will upset cultural and linguistic balance transforming very nature of America, severing it from Anglo-Saxon European origins.

... The future of U.S. lies in South America....


it also talks about poor nomads from South America and Mexico that will flood U.S.

now, you do not have to be a rocket scientist to figure out what happens with a country that suddenly has influx of poor, uneducated people who do not speak your language and who do not want to speak your language but who want and do get social services while multiplying like crazy.

I live in Mexifornia so i should know.
this has to be part of agenda that Attali spelled out clearly.
it cannot be a coincidence

[william_mac]

read Jaque Attali's "winners and losers"

it is all spelled there.

on page 77 it says:

in the u.s. where Hispanic population is 20 million (old figures -- book was written in 90's) migration will upset cultural and linguistic balance transforming very nature of America, severing it from Anglo-Saxon European origins.

... The future of U.S. lies in South America....


it also talks about poor nomads from South America and Mexico that will flood U.S.

now, you do not have to be a rocket scientist to figure out what happens with a country that suddenly has influx of poor, uneducated people who do not speak your language and who do not want to speak your language but who want and do get social services while multiplying like crazy.

I live in Mexifornia so i should know.
this has to be part of agenda that Attali spelled out clearly.
it cannot be a coincidence

I'll try and find that book. I just think that as far as borders and economy is concerned, a North American Union would help out a lot. I like the idea of being able to drive southwest for about 6 hours and then go right into Mexico as if it were just another state. I like the idea of moving to Mexico without having to convert a whole bunch of shit, because besides the current poverty, it's a really beautiful place. It seems like such a nice thing. I would love to be able to do that.




-William
www.William-Mac.com

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

I think it's a crock of shit.

No one, would sit there and admit to doing blow, and then deciding that the NAU was a good idea.

I mean, he's fucking high, of course he thinks it's a good idea. I bet his next thought was how great of a feeling it would be to take a shit right then and there.

[william_mac]

I think it's bullshit, William, no offense. The idea is that Americans traveling to Mexico would help Mexico, but I just don't see that happening. Not enough Americans would want to do this to the extent where it would help the Mexican economy. The NAU is nothing but a bad idea and a stepping stone. The EU, the AU, the NAU, and finally an Asian or Pacific Union are or would be nothing but stepping stones to a one world government. Besides, the vast majority of Americans would be against a NAU. That's the only reason I need for it not to happen.

The vast majority of Americans WOULD be against the NAU. But, as a previous NAU discontent, I now think that I would like it.

See, my idea isn't that this is just good for Mexico, I also think it's good for me, and us as Americans. Honestly, I like Mexico. I've been only a couple of times and I think it's beautiful. It's so strange to me that, even though we live in such close quarters, we're all quarlling about this immigration issue.

If there were open borders, then I would be able to drive right into Mexico like I would Tennessee. I would tootle on down to Acapulco or Cozumel or Mexico City and chill with the locals. I would be able to rent an apartment or get a job in Mexico without having to convert all of these documents and currencies. Likewise, Mexicans could do the same.

In all actuality, it would just be easier. We're essentially one single continent, why not travel freely within it?

The fact is, according to the natural vibes of economy and capitalism, there would be plenty of people moving down to Mexico from the US And Canada. If there was a single money system, then people would see that Mexico's living expenses were cheaper, and they would go down there. This would effectively boost Mexico's economy, which would be by that time part of a unified economy, and the country would become prosperous and just as mixed as America is.

Another thing to consider is that there wouldn't be anymore ex-cons, murderes, drug peddlers, and so on heading across the boarders to escape the law.

Granted, this is a very dangerous thing. The NAU would have to have strict regulations imposed upon it by the people as a whole, if we could ever regain our strength in government. We would have to regulate and continue paying attention to the government as a whole.

The fact is, however, if people would ever possibly act to prevent tyranny, the world is getting smaller. It really doesn't make much sense to have so many different countries operating within a single continent all harboring their own personal rules, which makes it harder for everyone else to travel to and fro.

If people could become unified and knowledgeable to the extent of regaining control over themselves, and their city states/ districts, then even a united world government would be a benefit.

the issue here is abuse of power, not the ease of travel and unified economy. It's sort of like marriage, really. To me, marriage isn't about love so much as it is about legal binding. For many couples who believe themselves to be in love and who plan on having children, the act of marriage is a certificate of financial agreement and security. There is usually nowadays a prenumptual agreement in case of a divorce, a binding of funds, a binding of accounts, documents detailing what is to be done upon the event of any member of the family's death, and so on. If these marriages are carefully considered and planned, then many of them go on to last for decades until each member of the marriage contract becomes deceased, in which case the married couple's children and grandchildren obtain a part of the estate/earnings.

Marriages that are not done right usually burst into argument, abuse of power by one member(s) over the other, jading of the heir(s), and a splitting of assets too soon.

So, the NAU, in this "marriage metaphor" is much in the same boat. If done right, with discretion, and with heavy scrutiny on behalf of the people as a whole that are involved, then the whole "marriage" of countries would be beneficial to us all. However... sadly enough, I don't have faith that this could actually happen any time soon. I was simply expressing my thoughts of how easy it would actually be to unite our continent, and how simple life could become if only we as a whole could do it right.



-William
www.William-Mac.com

[william_mac]

I think it's a crock of shit.

No one, would sit there and admit to doing blow, and then deciding that the NAU was a good idea.

I mean, he's fucking high, of course he thinks it's a good idea. I bet his next thought was how great of a feeling it would be to take a shit right then and there.

All hail His Lordship. Worship he who looks past a careful contemplation and ideology on behalf of a thoughtful writer, and strike it down with thine mighty bolts of lightning suddenly so as to stymie the evil of recreational drug use and further free thought.



-William
www.William-Mac.com

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

All hail His Lordship. Worship he who looks past a careful contemplation and ideology on behalf of a thoughtful writer, and strike it down with thine mighty bolts of lightning suddenly so as to stymie the evil of recreational drug use and further free thought.



-William
www.William-Mac.com

I know right! It took me abit to come up with that arguement. :D


....:cool:



Anyways, I can see that in a sense of unity with us as people, is a great thing. I don't disagree on that. I think that if the people trying to unite us, and with our content on this, unity through nations coming together is a good thing. Globalisation in the sense of world peace is beautiful.

But what I see, is not that it is made to truely "unify" human beings, but to enslave us.

They need mexico, because they are running out of land. They are running out of citzens. They need us to "fight with each other" in order to make more authoritarian states. They need slaves. Do you see what I'm getting at or do I need to draw it out? (I'm at work, I'll open MSPaint if I need to)

[gonzo power]

The fact is, according to the natural vibes of economy and capitalism, there would be plenty of people moving down to Mexico from the US And Canada. If there was a single money system, then people would see that Mexico's living expenses were cheaper, and they would go down there. This would effectively boost Mexico's economy, which would be by that time part of a unified economy, and the country would become prosperous and just as mixed as America is.
Do you really believe the population adjustment would balance out that evenly? I have a hard time doing so. How would we adapt to the population change? You don't envision a scenario where over-population would be a big problem? What about the effects on cultures? Hispanics would be just as unwilling to learn English as Americans would be to learn Spanish. We are stubborn people, and I really don't want to see racial tensions increase. I do not believe a NAU would do anything but increase them.

I see now that you wrote that piece from an idealistic viewpoint. If we didn't have egomaniacal power-hungry maniacs running things from behind the scenes, sure it might seem a bit more plausible. But even if you take the elite out of the picture, there would still be problems with merging everything together.

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Do you really believe the population adjustment would balance out that evenly? I have a hard time doing so. How would we adapt to the population change? You don't envision a scenario where over-population would be a big problem? What about the effects on cultures? Hispanics would be just as unwilling to learn English as Americans would be to learn Spanish. We are stubborn people, and I really don't want to see racial tensions increase. I do not believe a NAU would do anything but increase them.

I see now that you wrote that piece from an idealistic viewpoint. If we didn't have egomaniacal power-hungry maniacs running things from behind the scenes, sure it might seem a bit more plausible. But even if you take the elite out of the picture, there would still be problems with merging everything together.


That's a very good point. But what I think he's trying to say is that it would be good on an economical scale(correct me if I'm wrong), which would lead into things being easier on a social scale aswell.

But what nobody is seeing here is the people pushing for it are doing it behind our backs, without our consent, and are only looking to enslave people by creating problems as you have just mentioned.

It's a nice idea, but humanity has to come to this dission as a whole. Not because our "leaders" have told us to.

[william_mac]

I know right! It took me abit to come up with that arguement. :D


....:cool:



Anyways, I can see that in a sense of unity with us as people, is a great thing. I don't disagree on that. I think that if the people trying to unite us, and with our content on this, unity through nations coming together is a good thing. Globalisation in the sense of world peace is beautiful.

But what I see, is not that it is made to truely "unify" human beings, but to enslave us.

They need mexico, because they are running out of land. They are running out of citzens. They need us to "fight with each other" in order to make more authoritarian states. They need slaves. Do you see what I'm getting at or do I need to draw it out? (I'm at work, I'll open MSPaint if I need to)

I understand there are plenty of dangers involved. That doesn't change the fact that it would be a hell of a lot easier, and would get rid of this whole immigration debate once and for all, and would make Mexico a great place to live.

It's not about unifying for peace and love, that's not what I'm thinking. I'm considering it quite a practical decision in theory. My conversation with Hugo and the other guy just got me to thinking about it. I figured that they'd be better off, as well as people like them, if they weren't really immigrants... but simply travelers who decided to live in this part (Georgia) of the North American continent. You know?

I suppose there has to be a way to do it right. Everyone is always talking about those bastards on the hill looking down with handcuffs ready, but I think we often times forget that we could, at any time, regain control before it's too late (microchipping).

With a unified North America, there would be a greater population of people united under one system, which would inherently allow more of a population, a greater vote, and more pressure on government. Of course... I don't think people would actually care to do that sadly enough.



-William
www.William-Mac.com

[william_mac]

Do you really believe the population adjustment would balance out that evenly? I have a hard time doing so. How would we adapt to the population change? You don't envision a scenario where over-population would be a big problem? What about the effects on cultures? Hispanics would be just as unwilling to learn English as Americans would be to learn Spanish. We are stubborn people, and I really don't want to see racial tensions increase. I do not believe a NAU would do anything but increase them.

I see now that you wrote that piece from an idealistic viewpoint. If we didn't have egomaniacal power-hungry maniacs running things from behind the scenes, sure it might seem a bit more plausible. But even if you take the elite out of the picture, there would still be problems with merging everything together.

There wouldn't be a population change... how would there be a population change? The same amount of people now living in the US, Mexico, and Canada would still be that amount if we were united with a NAU today, except now people could travel wherever in the hell. Populations are going to grow just the same, whether or not there is a NAU... I'm not sure what you're trying to get at really.

As far as the fact that Americans are prideful, that's true. But what's the difference? We either kick all of them out until we need them again, like we did back in the depression with the Mexicans, and back during the building of the railroads with the Chinese, which is a really stupid idea. Or, we just open up the borders and say "fuck it" now they're not immigrants, they're just people.

I don't think there would be a culture shock, I think this would LESSEN the amount of Mexicans in the country. If one money system could be implemented then Mexico and the US and Canada's economy would be merged, so what's good for us is good for them and vice versa. Suddenly, we would see Mexico growing successful franchise businesses, building neighborhoods, creating city/state systems like trash pickup, recycling, plumbing, water filtration... etc. Then, when that happens, I think we'll see a lot of Mexicans excited to return back to their native country to work, raise families, and enjoy themselves. The pay for construction workers would rise to where it was back in the early 90s, and wala... problem solved in my opinion.

Not only that, but we would see a wonderful mix of whites, blacks, asians, native Americans, and so forth sprinkled more evenly throughout the content, which I think would lessen greatly the problems between who's who and who is supposed to stay wherever.

This is the continent of North America, you know? It's one big fucking land mass... why not just travel throughout? Why have pockets of people confined between borders. I think we're a little too advanced as people to keep on in this way. Globalization is a fact of life now, and for good or ill it's going to keep going, and we would only be setting ourselves back as a country not to open the borders on both ends and travel freely therein for the benefit of all of our wallets and our time.



-William
www.William-Mac.com

[william_mac]

That's a very good point. But what I think he's trying to say is that it would be good on an economical scale(correct me if I'm wrong), which would lead into things being easier on a social scale aswell.

But what nobody is seeing here is the people pushing for it are doing it behind our backs, without our consent, and are only looking to enslave people by creating problems as you have just mentioned.

It's a nice idea, but humanity has to come to this dission as a whole. Not because our "leaders" have told us to.

That is exactly right, and that is something that i did not touch on. If only (in a somewhat more ideal America... or world for that matter) our leaders were more transparent. If we as people could see what plans are being drawn up, then we could vote according to what we like or dislike. In addition, we as a majority could propose changes and so one, or push for changes within congress according to the majority will of the people. I guess what I'm trying to say is... we could do it sort of like a, GASP, Democracy!

I don't think that the NAU is going to come through the right way if it does. I don't want anyone doing it behind my back or telling me to do it. However, if and when a NAU is established, I think that for a short while in its beginning the economic value and free travel will be good for everybody. As history shows, though, it'll turn black very quickly as more and more things are set into motion. That actually wouldn't happen though if people would speak out, and act out, and unite together. But as i keep saying, I've simply lost my faith that something like that will actually happen. We'll wait, as always, until we hit absolute rock bottom and our children are being bludgeoned to death before we pick up any kind of stick and start waving it at the proverbial fat men.



-William
www.William-Mac.com

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Cordial Felicitations!, William Mac:

A coupla points: Cocaine is a Horrific drug that has no merit, has caused incalculable harm to individuals and societies.

The individual Sovereignity of Mexico, Canada and the USA will remain intact. The 'paperwork', visas, work permits, residency laws will remain in effect.

The proposed Super-Highway will cut the USA in half, and I reckon travelers will be required to 'present' documents to pass this barrier.

Labourers in the USA have had their wages diminished by 20% due to the influx of illegal immigration.

The only sector of the population who will benefit from the NAU is the Corporate interests.

I do not share your enthusiam on this matter.

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[gonzo power]

There wouldn't be a population change... how would there be a population change? The same amount of people now living in the US, Mexico, and Canada would still be that amount if we were united with a NAU today, except now people could travel wherever in the hell. Populations are going to grow just the same, whether or not there is a NAU... I'm not sure what you're trying to get at really.
I was trying to get at this which evidently you just answered your stance on:

I don't think there would be a culture shock, I think this would LESSEN the amount of Mexicans in the country.
I personally think you're being too trusting on the idea that the Mexican/US border would be more of a two way street than a one way street. Maybe I am just jaded and am generalizing since I've lived in southern culture all of my life, but I don't see this free flow of people idea of yours working that way. People are prejudiced, and when it comes to hispanics, I don't think that's exclusive to the south. All I see are problems via culture clashing arising from it.

If one money system could be implemented then Mexico and the US and Canada's economy would be merged, so what's good for us is good for them and vice versa. Suddenly, we would see Mexico growing successful franchise businesses, building neighborhoods, creating city/state systems like trash pickup, recycling, plumbing, water filtration... etc. Then, when that happens, I think we'll see a lot of Mexicans excited to return back to their native country to work, raise families, and enjoy themselves. The pay for construction workers would rise to where it was back in the early 90s, and wala... problem solved in my opinion.

Not only that, but we would see a wonderful mix of whites, blacks, asians, native Americans, and so forth sprinkled more evenly throughout the content, which I think would lessen greatly the problems between who's who and who is supposed to stay wherever.

This is the continent of North America, you know? It's one big fucking land mass... why not just travel throughout? Why have pockets of people confined between borders. I think we're a little too advanced as people to keep on in this way. Globalization is a fact of life now, and for good or ill it's going to keep going, and we would only be setting ourselves back as a country not to open the borders on both ends and travel freely therein for the benefit of all of our wallets and our time.



-William
www.William-Mac.com
OK, so if a common currency between three countries would help all three countries, would you then take that logic one step further and support establishing a one world currency? Why not also establish an Asian/Pacific Union, and then merge all four unions together to create a true globalization? That way we can travel wherever, whenever and not have to worry about hassles like passports and differing currencies. That'd be great, right?

I like blow myself, but I think you need to lay off some of the blow. ;) You're thinking exactly the way they want you to think. Centralization of power is never a good idea in a corrupt world. Cmon man, you should know this.

[william_mac]

Cordial Felicitations!, William Mac:

A coupla points: Cocaine is a Horrific drug that has no merit, has caused incalculable harm to individuals and societies.

The individual Sovereignity of Mexico, Canada and the USA will remain intact. The 'paperwork', visas, work permits, residency laws will remain in effect.

The proposed Super-Highway will cut the USA in half, and I reckon travelers will be required to 'present' documents to pass this barrier.

Labourers in the USA have had their wages diminished by 20% due to the influx of illegal immigration.

The only sector of the population who will benefit from the NAU is the Corporate interests.

I do not share your enthusiam on this matter.

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

I don't think that open borders would mean documents would have to be presented. The wages have diminished 20%, but if there were open borders that would no doubt change due to the influx of new jobs and working oppurtunities for all races in Mexico.

Think about the NAU for a moment in terms of simple open borders and single currency, not about the other stuff. No one knows for sure what all will go on if and when the NAU is established, but if you think about the benefits of open borders and a unified economy, then I think you'll agree that it can only be beneficial to everyone.



-William
www.William-Mac.com

[william_mac]

I was trying to get at this which evidently you just answered your stance on:


I personally think you're being too trusting on the idea that the Mexican/US border would be more of a two way street than a one way street. Maybe I am just jaded and am generalizing since I've lived in southern culture all of my life, but I don't see this free flow of people idea of yours working that way. People are prejudiced, and when it comes to hispanics, I don't think that's exclusive to the south. All I see are problems via culture clashing arising from it.


OK, so if a common currency between three countries would help all three countries, would you then take that logic one step further and support establishing a one world currency? Why not also establish an Asian/Pacific Union, and then merge all four unions together to create a true globalization? That way we can travel wherever, whenever and not have to worry about hassles like passports and differing currencies. That'd be great, right?

I like blow myself, but I think you need to lay off some of the blow. ;) You're thinking exactly the way they want you to think. Centralization of power is never a good idea in a corrupt world. Cmon man, you should know this.

There are boxes everywhere. You can get into thinking "like they want you to" box, or you can get into thinking that it's "all evil centralized power" box... it's all thinking inside of some box.

It's not bad to sit back and consider the benefits and economic possibilities of one world government and currency. Likewise, it doesn't matter what country you start, what religion you start, what club you start, or anything, even if all of these things are originally begun through good intentions they will "invevatibly and through slow operations be perverted into tyranny" as Jefferson said. How are these things perverted into tyranny? Well, in the same bill I quoted above called Jefferson's "Bill for a More General Diffusion of Knowledge" he attributes the rise of tyranny to the majority's lack of education. If the masses are uneducated and complacent, therein arises the risk of corruption in any system.

A one world government with one money system, and that has leaders or "overseers" of each country and states within that country (like a governor) and cities within those states (like a mayor) a.k.a what Democracy originally began as, then that would quite be a perfect world, or at least a world more peaceful and stable.

But, as my greatest anger and greatest discontentment arises towards corrupt leadership, so it is matched and transcended by my anger towards the people as a general population. Whatever corruptions we have endured, are enduring, and may endure in the future are directly brought about by our miseducation, our complacency, our uncaring attitudes, and our negligence to allow our power to slip through our fingers and into the hands of a few.

I maintain that a North American Union, single money system, open borders, and perhaps in the future a unified world government and money system would be an amazing advance for us as a people. However, I also understand that if such a thing were to happen now, or even in the next 50 years, it would be catastrophic for us. This is because we aren't ready, and we wouldn't keep our control and our interest in everyday politics by checking and balancing as our duty the events affecting us most closely. In addition, the current power elite is corrupt and self-seeking, but that does not mean that something they implement originally with a grand master plan will not be able to be beneficial and then stymied on behalf of the people's effort in which case the plan will be abolished and the benefits kept only.

CONCERNING THE SOUTH:

Yeah, there are a lot of prejudice people, but in all actuality we're probably more used to black people, mexicans, than any other part of the US because we've had them around in bulk for hundreds of years in this area.

People in the south for the most part don't have any problem with Mexicans, at least not where I live throughout Georgia. My mother, who owns a laundromat, sees Mexicans coming in all of the time and washing their laundry right along with asians and old white people and black people. Everyone gets along swimmingly except for the occasional hick bonehead that comes in and starts talkin' 'bout those goddamn Messicans. We kick those people out, and they're more or less a dying breed in the south, which I'm absolutely fine with.

I am inherently Southern. I was born in Conway South Carolina, I was raised in Mobile, Alabama, and have spent the last 11 years of my life in Buford, Georgia. I have often times thought of just getting rid of the Mexicans, but history shows us that this doesn't make any sense, and for good or ill I'd miss all of my Latin flavor. My neighbors for example just had a birthday part for someone and they were running around hitting a pinata so I walked over and drank tequila with them even though I didn't understand a word of what was spoken.

Barring Mexicans from the US with this whole stupid border thing is just ridiculous. Just think about how absurd it is that we live in one single continent with no internal threat of war amongst ourselves, Mexicans, Canada, or any other South American country other than our own general disdain towards immigration. Why not just get rid of the borders? We're not at war with these people, there's no need to build a fence. Hell, and they're fucking good people, they really are. So, they come to the US because Mexico is shit? Why not unify the money system and get Mexico up and running so that there is no need to come to America when they could stay in Mexico and make a perfectly good living and drink clear water and establish a Middle Class?

Also, as having dealt extensivly with Child Sex Trafficking, I think that this little cash income business the US government and Mexican smugglers of all kinds have down on the border would be abolished once and for all. If the borders were opened, then Mexican drug lords, sex traffickers, and illegal arms traffickers would not longer be able to do whatever in the the hell they wanted. Of course, these things will always exist, but it will be very lessened in the event of open borders.

I just don't for the life of me see ANY downside to this idea, which is just what it is, it's an idea. I'm not fully supporting anything, I'm just giving a "what if"



-William
www.William-Mac.com

[lizzy]

Hi Guys,..look the debate is pointless, whether he thought in a minute of harmonious frivolity that the NAU might be cool, cus it's NOT. We all know it's all planned out. Once we get the NAU, then they re-create smaller regions again with no States' Rights. To diminish our personal power and rights they have brought divide and rule of the races, as always. Mexico has always been cheap labour, now they want to legalize that cheap labour and keep the Military topped with the porrly educated fodder. Like Icke says, the fewer the plates the Illuminarti dumb f--ks have to spin the easier it is for then to control us. We really have basically lost this game already, know that the next depression / dark age is coming, they want us scared like in the 20's and 30's when the peasants knew their places. This world has had enough wealth to give everyone a decent way of life without war but NO they want it ALL and us in submission. And I really do wish this was an Illusion, cus this stuff really does'nt help my spirtuality. Am looking forward to the Ismus....Armmagettenoutta here,Cheers.

[william_mac]

Hi Guys,..look the debate is pointless, whether he thought in a minute of harmonious frivolity that the NAU might be cool, cus it's NOT. We all know it's all planned out. Once we get the NAU, then they re-create smaller regions again with no States' Rights. To diminish our personal power and rights they have brought divide and rule of the races, as always. Mexico has always been cheap labour, now they want to legalize that cheap labour and keep the Military topped with the porrly educated fodder. Like Icke says, the fewer the plates the Illuminarti dumb f--ks have to spin the easier it is for then to control us. We really have basically lost this game already, know that the next depression / dark age is coming, they want us scared like in the 20's and 30's when the peasants knew their places. This world has had enough wealth to give everyone a decent way of life without war but NO they want it ALL and us in submission. And I really do wish this was an Illusion, cus this stuff really does'nt help my spirtuality. Am looking forward to the Ismus....Armmagettenoutta here,Cheers.

It's not a debate, it's a reconsideration. Did you even read it? I think a lot of what you said is silly talk. What is pointless is being fearful. To actually quote Job from the bible "What I have greatly feared has come upon me."



-William
www.William-Mac.com

[lizzy]

The Bible.....really? you quote the bible HERE and believe in Aliens? This is the David Icke site is'nt it.
I am not living in fear. Fear is the mindkiller and mine's not dead yet but don't seem to understand the urgency, the brevity. The NWO really does have us in their evil grip, to do with us as they will. If you fight them be ready to live in a camp and get tasered everday. This is REAL. Youu are just too comfy with the staus quo I think. It is an intellectual porcess, but if that is all it is with no reslove to fight it , you don't have the complete picture at all.

[william_mac]

The Bible.....really? you quote the bible HERE and believe in Aliens? This is the David Icke site is'nt it.
I am not living in fear. Fear is the mindkiller and mine's not dead yet but don't seem to understand the urgency, the brevity. The NWO really does have us in their evil grip, to do with us as they will. If you fight them be ready to live in a camp and get tasered everday. This is REAL. Youu are just too comfy with the staus quo I think. It is an intellectual porcess, but if that is all it is with no reslove to fight it , you don't have the complete picture at all.

Look, I do more each day to combat the social ills that you speak of. In fact, I can safely say without a doubt that I do more than most people on this forum each day, and I for one can prove it.

That does NOT strip away my right to reconsider something, instead of adhereing adamntely to yet another ideology that all things centralized are evil...boooooo, scary!

As far as being tazered in a camp? Please, I've had a black hood thrown over me in a Taxi in Nepal for filming the Maoist Chinese and nearly coaxed into being tortured.

For the life of me... for the fucking life of me... I can't understand why in the hell you you, or anyone else on this forum, would honestly be so complacent and unthinking as to not consider anything beyond your initial chosen ideology.

People think they're open minded here, but as far as I can see it looks as if people opened their mind for a split second, came here, and then immediately closed it.

Don't tell me about the NAU, I know about the fucking thing. God forbid someone reconsider the its possibility though, at least as far as the David Icke forums are concerned. You'll be bludgeoned if you do.

Give me a break.



-William
www.William-Mac.com

[gonzo power]

Look, I do more each day to combat the social ills that you speak of. In fact, I can safely say without a doubt that I do more than most people on this forum each day, and I for one can prove it.

That does NOT strip away my right to reconsider something, instead of adhereing adamntely to yet another ideology that all things centralized are evil...boooooo, scary!

As far as being tazered in a camp? Please, I've had a black hood thrown over me in a Taxi in Nepal for filming the Maoist Chinese and nearly coaxed into being tortured.

For the life of me... for the fucking life of me... I can't understand why in the hell you you, or anyone else on this forum, would honestly be so complacent and unthinking as to not consider anything beyond your initial chosen ideology.

People think they're open minded here, but as far as I can see it looks as if people opened their mind for a split second, came here, and then immediately closed it.

Don't tell me about the NAU, I know about the fucking thing. God forbid someone reconsider the its possibility though, at least as far as the David Icke forums are concerned. You'll be bludgeoned if you do.

Give me a break.



-William
www.William-Mac.com
William, I think we have reconsidered it, but we still think it's a garbage idea. I wouldn't assume that just because people still disagree with the NAU that they haven't looked at it from both sides.

[lifeofbrian]

What about a "oneness world"?

Since everybody is "one"?

What we "put out", is what "we get", and all that?