if fmotl works, then...

[hadabusa]

why doesnt one who believes in it get a kilo cocaine and then call the cops.
once they arrive, tell them the no consent thing.

and tell them youre not that person .


then see how unalienable your rights are.


oh,and make sure2post the successtory,id consider it big.


:rolleyes:

[ignoranto_bliss]

why doesnt one who believes in it get a kilo cocaine and then call the cops.
once they arrive, tell them the no consent thing.

and tell them youre not that person .


then see how unalienable your rights are.


oh,and make sure2post the successtory,id consider it big.


:rolleyes:
:D :D and tell the cops that if they will be good and nice to you , you will show them a secret youtube video on how to reclaim your birth certificate bond money something around 400k to a million :D

[cstewart1987]

:D :D and tell the cops that if they will be good and nice to you , you will show them a secret youtube video on how to reclaim your birth certificate bond money something around 400k to a million :D

AS they say, ignorance is bliss, and if you enjoy shifting cocaine then you should enjoy the time spent in prison. To each their own they say but whne you flood the streets with narcotics you need a good hiding or speaking too. Not a get out of jail free card, FMOTL is for men of god not criminal Gentiles.

[hadabusa]

AS they say, ignorance is bliss, and if you enjoy shifting cocaine then you should enjoy the time spent in prison. To each their own they say but whne you flood the streets with narcotics you need a good hiding or speaking too. Not a get out of jail free card, FMOTL is for men of god not criminal Gentiles.

spare us the jew superiority BS,smartazz.

the coke case is used to get a simple example to point out fmotl flaws,but you knew that.

comeback with constructive reply(or funny atleast) or remain silent.

go divide ppl in religion subforum with your god bs, you little distraction agent.

ktxbai

[ignoranto_bliss]

AS they say, ignorance is bliss, and if you enjoy shifting cocaine then you should enjoy the time spent in prison. To each their own they say but whne you flood the streets with narcotics you need a good hiding or speaking too. Not a get out of jail free card, FMOTL is for men of god not criminal Gentiles.

Im all for freeman to work and it does sometimes maybe . I very happy and freeman stuff is a bloody good work out for the brain . I think Busa wanted to point out that some know it alls just take it a little bit too far . But its only what i think .

And some posts on freeman section are beyond my mind capacity so far so to learn to learn to learn .

And work is freedom :D or something

[dreamweaver]

Were you planning on being a Free Pimp on the Land, hadabusa?

Interesting concept.

[hadabusa]

Were you planning on being a Free Pimp on the Land, hadabusa?

Interesting concept.

i looked into it, eventually, masked men came4me anyway and relocated my ass to a prison cell, and thats a true story.:)

ibliss is right, the case is just an example,to keep the matter/case uncomplicated.
as in, if fmotl theory applies, this shouldnt pose a problem.

call me close minded,w/e, i see it as oppurtunity for fmotl oppurtunitists to prove me im wrong.

so,bring the straight up answers,im willing to learn.

[ignoranto_bliss]

Were you planning on being a Free Pimp on the Land, hadabusa?

Interesting concept.

Since Lady Gaga promised to be 'free bitch' why not to give it a try .

[john white]

why doesnt one who believes in it get a kilo cocaine and then call the cops.
once they arrive, tell them the no consent thing.

and tell them youre not that person .


then see how unalienable your rights are.


oh,and make sure2post the successtory,id consider it big.


:rolleyes:

I see someone is bored with their brain dripping out of their ears this new year

[ignoranto_bliss]

I see someone is bored with their brain dripping out of their ears this new year

:D:D:D:D count me in :D

[hadabusa]

I see someone is bored with their brain dripping out of their ears this new year

are you related to rob?bf perhaps?:confused:(no offense,its my assumption&beeing gay is fine today).

these kinds of replies are symbolic and sad and repetitive/typicall for fmotl koolaid guzzlers once they run out of arguments fitting their agenda.

such pub level replies dont deserve replies, but i tought ill adress you either way.

NEXT

[ignoranto_bliss]

are you related to rob?bf perhaps?:confused:(no offense,its my assumption&beeing gay is fine today).

these kinds of replies are symbolic and sad and repetitive/typicall for fmotl koolaid guzzlers once they run out of arguments fitting their agenda.

such pub level replies dont deserve replies, but i tought ill adress you either way.

NEXT

If you dont overstand the concept of freeman its pretty simple .

You just do not recognize their authority over you cause you are not a person .

And with your cocaine example , well its silly one to be honest . Solution. Call the cops and tell them you have kilo of charlie and tell them to bring alot of girls . Then call another cops and tell them you have alot of girls so ask them to bring alot of charlie :D and party :D

On a serious note - if you summoned to court just send them your person - your birth serf-tificate . But send just a copy not original cause they will reclaim all your cash from it and you will get fuk all . :rolleyes:

[david merrill]

AS they say, ignorance is bliss, and if you enjoy shifting cocaine then you should enjoy the time spent in prison. To each their own they say but whne you flood the streets with narcotics you need a good hiding or speaking too. Not a get out of jail free card, FMOTL is for men of god not criminal Gentiles.

Good Post!

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058518923&postcount=92

[ignoranto_bliss]

Criminal gentiles :D yeah its a crime to be able to post a joke sometimes .
'Non gentiles and lunacy' a bestseller by Dr. Ignorance Blessed

[ignoranto_bliss]

Criminal gentiles :D yeah its a crime to be able to post a joke sometimes .
'Non gentiles and lunacy' a bestseller by Dr. Ignorance Blessed

Lunacy or not the posts on freeman are very interesting .

[the maestro]

I don't think having a kilo or Charlie is unlawful so the Freeman stuff applies. The only problem is how much unlawful hassle the cops and courts will give you about it compared to what they consider more minor 'offenses' which they may just let drop.

I think the fact that freemen are de-registering cars, and using them without tax, license or insurance as well as owning handguns and openly cultivating and smoking dope shows that some people have a lot of confidence in this.

[fotheringsmirth]

So FMOTL allows you to be exempt from the Parliamentary law, until you break a Parliamentary law? I would like to know: what statutes in particular are FMOTLers able to violate and use FMOTL as a defense with 100% success? Sexual offences? Traffic violations? I mean this with sincerity: which statutes are you able to successfully violate?

[dharmic one]

So FMOTL allows you to be exempt from the Parliamentary law, until you break a Parliamentary law? I would like to know: what statutes in particular are FMOTLers able to violate and use FMOTL as a defense with 100% success? Sexual offences? Traffic violations? I mean this with sincerity: which statutes are you able to successfully violate?

Would this be the hugely successfully argued sovereignty of parliament that got destroyed as nonsensical and meant you had to abandon your own thread here (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=96169&page=16)??

Cos I got to say your "I know lots of lawyers and they all agree with me" stance really stood up to reason didn't it?

Seeing as this whole thread was borne of sarcasm and shallow wit I can see no other use for it but for us to have our fun and watch it drop down the thread list like all the others made for this purpose.

vi⋅o⋅late

–verb (used with object), -lat⋅ed, -lat⋅ing.
1. to break, infringe, or transgress (a law, rule, agreement, promise, instructions, etc.).
2. to break in upon or disturb rudely; interfere thoughtlessly with: to violate his privacy.
3. to break through or pass by force or without right: to violate a frontier.
4. to treat irreverently or disrespectfully; desecrate; profane: violate a human right.
5. to molest sexually, esp. to rape.


Perhaps you mean the first definition??

I would contend that to use the word violate in reference to Statute would be to imply that it is a law, a rule, an agreement, promise or instructions.

Which would you define it as?

I like the way you refer in almost absolutism to the supremacy of parliamentary law when you could not successfully argue this supremacy on the thread you started.

Like many a raconteur of indoctrinated nonsense (most of them in government) you begin your argument on a flawed premise. You use the word violate without having explored the other side of your argument which you obviously avoid due to its potential to derail your argument, subsequently derailing your whole entrenched world view. We can't have that now can we?? But we can operate with the pretense that our arguments haven't been shown to be fallacious elsewhere and that they are just as valid here......

I love the way people exclaim their intelligence when compared to that of others by proposing simply stupid premises for debate.
RE the op........

Can anyone here provide any proof of claim that the act in itself of possessing a large amount of cocaine harms anyone other than the one who uses it????

For if they sold it to people I don't believe they could call themselves a free man at all.....

If they don't, where's the harm or loss being caused??

Apart from the loss caused to the government through unauthorized dealing...

[john white]

So FMOTL allows you to be exempt from the Parliamentary law, until you break a Parliamentary law? I would like to know: what statutes in particular are FMOTLers able to violate and use FMOTL as a defense with 100% success? Sexual offences? Traffic violations? I mean this with sincerity: which statutes are you able to successfully violate?

Unlawful statutes arn't law so there is nothing TO "violate"

Does it constitute theft? or deceit? or harm?

Then its wrong, and there is no need to be charged with a statute for it anyway

Always this servile mentality from you "smirth"

When are you going to gain some self respect and stand up for yourself?

[john white]

are you related to rob?bf perhaps?:confused:(no offense,its my assumption&beeing gay is fine today).

these kinds of replies are symbolic and sad and repetitive/typicall for fmotl koolaid guzzlers once they run out of arguments fitting their agenda.

such pub level replies dont deserve replies, but i tought ill adress you either way.

NEXT

Hmm so we start off calling me gay, which must be some form of proping up your own ego whilst attempting to belittle me as an individual, merely because I said your OP was stupid

And it is

to help you out, I'm going to show you how it is stupid

why doesnt one who believes in it get a kilo cocaine and then call the cops.
once they arrive, tell them the no consent thing.

and tell them youre not that person .


then see how unalienable your rights are.


oh,and make sure2post the successtory,id consider it big.


Rights are inalienable, but what are you doing with a kilo of cocaine? Cutting it with who knows what to sell to thousands at detriment to their health and wellbeing while enriching yourself?

Then sir you are a criminal little fuck and I would certainly support your trial and punishment until you learned adult social responsibility

And bragging at causing harm to the public to those charged with protecting the public is a new level of moronic

You show that you understand NOTHING

LAWFUL HUMAN

That is the standard a free society depends upon

But here is why your post is "brain drippingly" stupid

then see how unalienable your rights are.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?

Why for the love of God do you want to alienate your own rights and your own lawful protection by even believing, for a moment, that your rights are alienable?

Get off your knees and grow a spine!

To much bloody nonsense by lazy slaves who don't want to be free

[dharmic one]

The absolute balance of logic, reason and impartiality of the original poster is, unfortunately betrayed by their avatar...........

But hey let's keep posting here in order to validate the indoctrination of the masses........it is actually fun.....

Note....

This thread is designed to enhance your living experience........remind you you are a slave and there is and never will be anything you can do about it....

so sit back....enjoy the 500 channels put out by 5 owners and celebrate your freedom of speech.......

never question authority...your government has everything under control....you cannot think for yourselves you need us...in greater and greater and ever increasing ways to control you for your own good....

never question the TV it will begin a dry rot process in your brain from which you will never recover........

never question the trillions we have spent giving your money to the very people who stole it in the first place "because that is the way it is"

and remember always......

War is peace

freedom is slavery

ignorance is strength

There are now only three commandments and the department of truth will be making a broadcast shortly to let you know there were only ever these three commandments and we shall all follow them to the letter or all perish in a global catastrophe that will engulf us all........

There is no other way.........

[john white]

There is no other way.........

THEY say....

“It was curious,” wrote Orwell in Nineteen Eighty-Four, “to think that the sky was the same for everybody, in Eurasia or Eastasia as well as here. And the people under the sky were also very much the same, everywhere, all over the world … people ignorant of one another’s existence, held apart by walls of hatred and lies, and yet almost exactly the same people who … were storing up in their hearts and bellies and muscles the power that would one day overturn the world.”

I say different and millions say different with me :)

[dharmic one]

To much bloody nonsense by lazy slaves who don't want to be free


let he who would be deceived, be deceived John.....Shall me and you have a bet to see how long this thread lasts after yozhik has a look???

I love the way the naysayers simply wait till they think we've all forgot about their truly embarrassing inability to engage in genuine debate then they wade in with exactly the same arguments as when they first started the last debate!!!!

What I really get excited about is that the real dum dums of the country don't even realise that they are just trained repeaters of indoctrinated "knowledge" that they naively believe to be so absolute that it does not require discussion - especially discussion with the lower mortals.....

The arguments against this FMOTL concept are getting very thin...

Apart from David Merrill, the only proponents of the "this is the way it is ( i actually quite like hierarchical control systems as they link right into my heavily fortified left brain "where is the rest of it?" paradigm where i get to tell others what to do as long as I do as I'm told too) and you can't change it because you're stupid and we're not" argument are so skewed in their world view that they ( and I mean this with the utmost respect) simply cannot understand why any "moron could believe any of it"....

If 2 billion people tomorrow announced that they believe in an alien god or that the sky was green, would they be right because there are 2 billion of them??

Convention does not and never will trump reason....

I would loosely like to call this the convention argument that amazingly, constitutes the following......

"if all this is true then why doesn't someone do something really stupid and see if they can get away with it"

"this cannot be true because only a small number of people believe it"

And we all like the ad hominem argument don't we???

"this cannot be true because you are gay or stupid, maybe both!!!"

well....i think this thread is romeo done.....

[pleasuredome]

hey, what a great thread! makes me wanna do a line

[fotheringsmirth]

Would this be the hugely successfully argued sovereignty of parliament that got destroyed as nonsensical and meant you had to abandon your own thread here (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=96169&page=16)??

Cos I got to say your "I know lots of lawyers and they all agree with me" stance really stood up to reason didn't it?

Seeing as this whole thread was borne of sarcasm and shallow wit I can see no other use for it but for us to have our fun and watch it drop down the thread list like all the others made for this purpose.

vi⋅o⋅late

–verb (used with object), -lat⋅ed, -lat⋅ing.
1. to break, infringe, or transgress (a law, rule, agreement, promise, instructions, etc.).
2. to break in upon or disturb rudely; interfere thoughtlessly with: to violate his privacy.
3. to break through or pass by force or without right: to violate a frontier.
4. to treat irreverently or disrespectfully; desecrate; profane: violate a human right.
5. to molest sexually, esp. to rape.


Perhaps you mean the first definition??

I would contend that to use the word violate in reference to Statute would be to imply that it is a law, a rule, an agreement, promise or instructions.

Which would you define it as?

I like the way you refer in almost absolutism to the supremacy of parliamentary law when you could not successfully argue this supremacy on the thread you started.

Like many a raconteur of indoctrinated nonsense (most of them in government) you begin your argument on a flawed premise. You use the word violate without having explored the other side of your argument which you obviously avoid due to its potential to derail your argument, subsequently derailing your whole entrenched world view. We can't have that now can we?? But we can operate with the pretense that our arguments haven't been shown to be fallacious elsewhere and that they are just as valid here......

I love the way people exclaim their intelligence when compared to that of others by proposing simply stupid premises for debate.
RE the op........

Can anyone here provide any proof of claim that the act in itself of possessing a large amount of cocaine harms anyone other than the one who uses it????

For if they sold it to people I don't believe they could call themselves a free man at all.....

If they don't, where's the harm or loss being caused??

Apart from the loss caused to the government through unauthorized dealing...

Sovereignty of Parliament is just a fact of the way the British legal system works, you can throw your toys out of the pram if you don't like it, I was merely pointing it out, not arguing in its favour.

You didn't answer the question, anyway. If you don't consider statute to be law then you must be able to act contrary to them in some meaningful way. If you can't demonstrate an example of when you've acted contrary to statute, argued in court that you're not bound by it and have the judge hold up your decision, then your whole FMOTL thing is bogus.

[fotheringsmirth]

The arguments against this FMOTL concept are getting very thin...


I think most people in this country quite like living in a system of laws where nobody is able to declare themselves above the rule of law, so the arguments aren't getting thin at all, they're widely rejected by most sane people. You go off the assumption that anybody who doesn't conform to your own view is stupid, indoctrinated or misguided, which is a very intellectually sluggish and dishonest way of looking at things.

[somethinganonymous]

Sovereignty of Parliament is just a fact of the way the British legal system works, you can throw your toys out of the pram if you don't like it, I was merely pointing it out, not arguing in its favour.

You didn't answer the question, anyway. If you don't consider statute to be law then you must be able to act contrary to them in some meaningful way. If you can't demonstrate an example of when you've acted contrary to statute, argued in court that you're not bound by it and have the judge hold up your decision, then your whole FMOTL thing is bogus.

"Sovereignty of Parliament is just a fact" - PROVE IT!

The question has been answered thoroughly. Having a kilo of cocain is not something a Man would do. Get it? Cocain is harmfull, and the law of the land is clear: Thou shall not harm anyone. Get it? Now as for "acting contrary" well, first off, you do not violate a statute, you are simply not bound by it, so there's nothing to violate. I'm a believer in Rob here that due dilligence is the right way, and therefore, do your own work, your own research, your own attempts, do not force others to provide you with the remedies. Life's not fair nor is it easy, nor righteous but life is what life is; a rollercoaster.

Either way, this thread is dead...

[sofa king]

"Sovereignty of Parliament is just a fact" - PROVE IT!

The question has been answered thoroughly. Having a kilo of cocain is not something a Man would do. Get it? Cocain is harmfull, and the law of the land is clear: Thou shall not harm anyone. Get it?

sorry, can't get behind that statement.

I've seen multiple examples of "freemen" harming non-freemen.

smoking pot is harmful. failing to pay your landlady is harmful. driving a car that is uninsured and uncertified is harmful.

[john white]

sorry, can't get behind that statement.

I've seen multiple examples of "freemen" harming non-freemen.

smoking pot is harmful. failing to pay your landlady is harmful. driving a car that is uninsured and uncertified is harmful.

Are any of the above an excuse for the individual not to try to better themselves and become a better human being?

If not, methinks you protest too much

Don't see anyone making claims to sainthood

Claim to some level of personal courage and refusal to accept servitude, certainly

[cstewart1987]

Im all for freeman to work and it does sometimes maybe . I very happy and freeman stuff is a bloody good work out for the brain . I think Busa wanted to point out that some know it alls just take it a little bit too far . But its only what i think .

And some posts on freeman section are beyond my mind capacity so far so to learn to learn to learn .

And work is freedom :D or something

Lmfao,, You and your mate, HadaBusa, theres no need to insult me, Im speaking the truth, i don't adhere to any form of belief system, so take you face for a good ule shite before you start speaking down to me son, men at a table speak across to each other. You and your Zionist concentration camp morals and dogmas can go suck an rfid chip or better still, considering your hear for comedy and not truth, go lick your great grannys growler.. ya monkey

Work is Freedom, tell that to the 1 million plus humans double-crossed.

[cstewart1987]

sorry, can't get behind that statement.

I've seen multiple examples of "freemen" harming non-freemen.

smoking pot is harmful. failing to pay your landlady is harmful. driving a car that is uninsured and uncertified is harmful.

Smoking pot v Selling cocaine,

Come on people, have you not read the bible, is nobody here aware of rick Simpson, anybody here know the fucking realities of this thread or are you all jsut ACTing daft. You know person is not real, why play with you self trying to convince you self that its real, if you have doubts, don't buy cocaine, initiate a conversation with a policeman, watch as he switches to a police officer without you even knowing.

[h2pogo]

sorry, can't get behind that statement.

I've seen multiple examples of "freemen" harming non-freemen.

smoking pot is harmful. failing to pay your landlady is harmful. driving a car that is uninsured and uncertified is harmful.

how can smoking a substance with no recorded fatalities be harmful and how can it possibly harm another.
what does not paying rent have to do with freemen.
and how can traveling in a car that isnt certified and isured be any more harmfull than driving an insured registerd vehicle..:confused:

[cstewart1987]

I think most people in this country quite like living in a system of laws where nobody is able to declare themselves above the rule of law, so the arguments aren't getting thin at all, they're widely rejected by most sane people. You go off the assumption that anybody who doesn't conform to your own view is stupid, indoctrinated or misguided, which is a very intellectually sluggish and dishonest way of looking at things.

intellectually sluggish, how?, a form of genius at work you should say, thanks for your input, yes we know NO MAN IS ABOVE THE RULE OF LAW£< i think you are a fucking retard. The problem lies in this system, so stop BEING A conditioned sheep and defending a rotten system, where they have controlled the system to keep themselves ABOVE THE RULE OF LAW
THIS GOES OUT TO THE REST OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE FORMALLY CONDITIONED TO BE UN-INTERESTED in freeing themselves from mental slavery, from physical serfdom, YOU say your SANE, so AM i Insane, perhaps, this Duality you speak of Is PURE adulterated Freudian Pysco Babble,
Its very possible to declare yourself free from jurisdiction and a sovereign man on the land, just like the queen is, this COULD IN FACT be the GrEATest of illusions..

Dont forget, the RULE OF LAW comes from god and not from man, this at least we can all agree THAT THEY AGREE on.., Understand that they do FEAR YOU PEAS becoming at one with eachother and TALKING SENSE instead OF Shite.

[cstewart1987]

how can smoking a substance with no recorded fatalities be harmful and how can it possibly harm another.
what does not paying rent have to do with freemen.
and how can traveling in a car that isnt certified and isured be any more harmfull than driving an insured registerd vehicle..:confused:

I think sofa king belongs in the Police Department, he then can go on being a racist and attacking helpless and defenceless home-owners or homeless people.

Ive just watch, The Largest Gang In America, Pretty shocking stuff.

[h2pogo]

why doesnt one who believes in it get a kilo cocaine and then call the cops.
once they arrive, tell them the no consent thing.

and tell them youre not that person .


then see how unalienable your rights are.


oh,and make sure2post the successtory,id consider it big.


:rolleyes:

interesting ..i await the first case where a freeman is charged with possesion of a controlled substance..
but why would anyone want to call the cops??? :confused:

[sofa king]

I think sofa king belongs in the Police Department, he then can go on being a racist and attacking helpless and defenceless home-owners or homeless people.


and this accusation is based on what?

[asky]

Back to topic
why doesnt one who believes in it get a kilo cocaine and then call the cops.
once they arrive, tell them the no consent thing.

and tell them youre not that person .


then see how unalienable your rights are.


oh,and make sure2post the successtory,id consider it big.


Any freemen up to the challenge

John White seems to think no laws are being broken
How about it john?

asky

[sofa king]

how can smoking a substance with no recorded fatalities be harmful and how can it possibly harm another.
what does not paying rent have to do with freemen.
and how can traveling in a car that isnt certified and isured be any more harmfull than driving an insured registerd vehicle..:confused:


if you drivr an uninsured car and you hit someone, how do they pay for their medical bills? how do they pay for any proprty damage you might do?

smoking pot is harmful. pot smokers tend to ignore these facts to justify the need to "get high"

cocaine too comes from natural sources.

not paying rent hurts your landlord that themselves may be having trouble making ends meet.

for every action, there is a reaction.

some freemen may think they are just being free, but their actions could very well be hurting another in the process.

this is why we are taught order as children. Ever look at a playground where there is no adult supervision? Watch those kids interact. It's Lord of the Flies.

[brainfreeze]

how can smoking a substance with no recorded fatalities be harmful and how can it possibly harm another.
what does not paying rent have to do with freemen.
and how can traveling in a car that isnt certified and isured be any more harmfull than driving an insured registerd vehicle..:confused:

The harm comes in when the uninsured driver injures an innocent party whose life is blighted by injuries sustained on behalf of the uninsured. At least with an insured driver the victim is looked after. The freeman way it's a matter of "oh sorry, must have been God's will I guess. Have a nice life"

That's the problem.

[sofa king]

Smoking pot v Selling cocaine,

Come on people, have you not read the bible, is nobody here aware of rick Simpson, anybody here know the fucking realities of this thread or are you all jsut ACTing daft. You know person is not real, why play with you self trying to convince you self that its real, if you have doubts, don't buy cocaine, initiate a conversation with a policeman, watch as he switches to a police officer without you even knowing.



obviously you have not read the bible based on the accusattions you throw out there.

or are you the type that selectively reads it? you pull out the odd passage here and there to justify your actions?

I hope you realize that that behaviour is worse than non-belief in the eyes of the Creator

[cstewart1987]

if you drivr an uninsured car and you hit someone, how do they pay for their medical bills? how do they pay for any proprty damage you might do?

smoking pot is harmful. pot smokers tend to ignore these facts to justify the need to "get high"

cocaine too comes from natural sources.

not paying rent hurts your landlord that themselves may be having trouble making ends meet.

for every action, there is a reaction.

some freemen may think they are just being free, but their actions could very well be hurting another in the process.

this is why we are taught order as children. Ever look at a playground where there is no adult supervision? Watch those kids interact. It's Lord of the Flies.

awww, so its ok for the poor to be poor as long as you get you house and wee car, little glass of wine on the weekend.

Check yourself before you wreak yourself, gross negligence is another thing, if a man drives and hits a child then he has to compensate the family or he must defend himself from attack, simple as that, what do you do if the kid just miraculously jumped out in front of the car because his stupid fucking mother and father never bothered teaching him stop look listen, iv seen it so many times..

You need to blame your self for this mess, this Stereotype your building is dangerous, Freeman is just that, a man with no allegiance to the queen, just as she has none to you,,

I could throw insults all day, i know that's all you will understand, but in fact ive read much of the bible and dont claim to be a Teacher or Professor but i know what i know and all that's left to do is fight for justice, no.

Ive seen to many family murdered, humans animals alike slaughtered, for incompetent shmuchs like you, perpetuation is not good i say..

"A bruised reed he will not break, and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out, till he leads justice to victory." Matt 12 20

[cstewart1987]

one more thing the bible teaches us,


teach your youngins the commandments before someone else teaches theirs.

Jesus?? was very adamant about this.

[cstewart1987]

and this accusation is based on what?

Because your ego is soo much smarterer than mine. great, i dont need evidence.

Ya know, ad hominem is all the craze these days, pseudo-intellect is all over now were in the age of computers and widespread bullshit, caca moir. i think im smart as hell when i can say, where's you evidence, i conditionally accept, that upon you proving to me you not an inbred racist goon born from heathen Israelite descendants of cannon, cursed by your fathers father..

I have always said be weary of people who don't like cannabis smoker, i think its an intuitive feeling.

[h2pogo]

if you drivr an uninsured car and you hit someone, how do they pay for their medical bills? how do they pay for any proprty damage you might do?.

The person would be harmed anyway.if a freeman was capable of paying for medical bills whats the difference..

smoking pot is harmful. pot smokers tend to ignore these facts to justify the need to "get high"

I have seen no evidence to support that claim..thats just your opinion..

cocaine too comes from natural sources.

so what..how can taking it harm a non freeman

not paying rent hurts your landlord that themselves may be having trouble making ends meet.

and as i asked before..what does not paying rent have to do with being a freeman..


for every action, there is a reaction.

some freemen may think they are just being free, but their actions could very well be hurting another in the process.

this is why we are taught order as children. Ever look at a playground where there is no adult supervision? Watch those kids interact. It's Lord of the Flies.

kids behave like you say because they are not given respect and responsibility.

Is lack of action not harmful?

[cstewart1987]

The harm comes in when the uninsured driver injures an innocent party whose life is blighted by injuries sustained on behalf of the uninsured. At least with an insured driver the victim is looked after. The freeman way it's a matter of "oh sorry, must have been God's will I guess. Have a nice life"

That's the problem.

Sounds like an argument that would fit well the the Nuremberg tribunals,,

Gods will you say, i say everything happens for a reason, just as EVERy action has a reaction.

When a (freeman lol) drunk driver breaks the code of conduct(gods laws) by endangering innocents lives then, is he a man of god.

yes, should he be treated as a man of god, yes, actions speak louder than words and forgiveness is the key here, it is up to the family of the injured party to make a claim, for compensation, remittance of the labour, many many other things could happen, but should the government step in and take this mans life away for something that was supposed to happen, (if your a god fearing man, just as most of the elites claim to be), Jesus said give away all your worldly possessions( for that i dont think many people here will realize the truth, it DOES MEAN GIVE MONEY TO THE POOR AND UNFORTUNATE.

it does MEAN to HOLD back anger where it does not belong and keep your self somewhat righteous and jsut, and only then can you know what its like to be free, all sounds allegorical to giving with the possessive personage i have been duped into loving as my own. when you give it up, you realize that you should not speed or become wreak less, because it is NOT your life on the line, IT is your Brothers or Sisters.

[cstewart1987]

The person would be harmed anyway.if a freeman was capable of paying for medical bills whats the difference..



I have seen no evidence to support that claim..thats just your opinion..



so what..how can taking it harm a non freeman



and as i asked before..what does not paying rent have to do with being a freeman..




kids behave like you say because they are not given respect and responsibility.

Is lack of action not harmful?


I think you've broken the mould mate, that last sentence is fucking prophetical and will become a big thing in the next few months,,

Everything else you say is grand and true to fact because, i have seen/studied the same subjects extensively.

[cstewart1987]

obviously you have not read the bible based on the accusattions you throw out there.

or are you the type that selectively reads it? you pull out the odd passage here and there to justify your actions?

I hope you realize that that behaviour is worse than non-belief in the eyes of the Creator

I was also under the impression that non-belief is much worse that blind faith,

Non-belief, = well fed rich and smiling depressive athiest,

Blind faith = hard-working all caring struggling brainwashed roman catholic,

non belief, caused alot of strife, so did Manipulating peoples want for blind faith, i think the only person never to cause grief was bob marly, but sure he's dead now anyway, just like the rest of the people who spoke out against social zionism and the material agenda.

[scottmurray]

its all about staying in honour exactly the same responsibilities as freemasonry.............you simply aint allowed to shamelessley profit.
fight and be fought, remain honourable and be treated likewise.
sell a kilo of skullduggery,try and loophole the fuck out of it,rub noses in it and expect to be locked up for madness or sex crimes.

ill tell you one thing tho the judges eat,drink and socialise regularly with high ranking coppers and number one drug barons but only the ones that guarentee no shit round schools and the like its the biggest industry in the world all backed by an omerta like oath of silence scarily identical to the oath of the sicillian mafia.
NOW the old feuadal lordship families that went undergroud still exist as DO their fiefdoms too ......just off the record and un taxable....DRUGS AND ILLICIT INDUSTRIES that our society still refuse to acknowledge.

privelege is a word derived from the 2 latin words prive(private)lege(law)

[sofa king]

awww, so its ok for the poor to be poor as long as you get you house and wee car, little glass of wine on the weekend.


where did I say this? are you poor and looking to blame your situattion on others?


Check yourself before you wreak yourself, gross negligence is another thing, if a man drives and hits a child then he has to compensate the family or he must defend himself from attack, simple as that, what do you do if the kid just miraculously jumped out in front of the car because his stupid fucking mother and father never bothered teaching him stop look listen, iv seen it so many times..


so how do you compensate a family for their medical bills without insurance? you just spoke of being poor. So where do you find the money to pay for these medical bills? Accidents do happen. No one is saying you hit a child with your car on purpose.


You need to blame your self for this mess, this Stereotype your building is dangerous, Freeman is just that, a man with no allegiance to the queen, just as she has none to you,,

I could throw insults all day, i know that's all you will understand, but in fact ive read much of the bible and dont claim to be a Teacher or Professor but i know what i know and all that's left to do is fight for justice, no.

Ive seen to many family murdered, humans animals alike slaughtered, for incompetent shmuchs like you, perpetuation is not good i say..

"A bruised reed he will not break, and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out, till he leads justice to victory." Matt 12 20

Incompentent schmuck like me?
Why? Because I think accountability is a good thing?

[sofa king]

Because your ego is soo much smarterer than mine. great, i dont need evidence.

Ya know, ad hominem is all the craze these days, pseudo-intellect is all over now were in the age of computers and widespread bullshit, caca moir. i think im smart as hell when i can say, where's you evidence, i conditionally accept, that upon you proving to me you not an inbred racist goon born from heathen Israelite descendants of cannon, cursed by your fathers father..

I have always said be weary of people who don't like cannabis smoker, i think its an intuitive feeling.



I'm wary of anyone that needs artifical mood elevation to feel complete. Doesn't matter what form the drug takes.

And thanks for labelling me as a inbred, racist goon. Nothing could be further the truth. Oh, and for the record, you have shown yourself to be the racist with that comment about "heathen Isrealites"

Christ was an Israelite. What's your feeling on that?

[sofa king]

When a (freeman lol) drunk driver breaks the code of conduct(gods laws) by endangering innocents lives then, is he a man of god.

.



no one said anything abut drunk driving.

most vehiclular collisions are from sober drivers.

[h2pogo]

I have always said be weary of people who don't like cannabis smoker, i think its an intuitive feeling.

sound bit of intuition mate..

[fotheringsmirth]

"Sovereignty of Parliament is just a fact" - PROVE IT!

The question has been answered thoroughly. Having a kilo of cocain is not something a Man would do. Get it? Cocain is harmfull, and the law of the land is clear: Thou shall not harm anyone. Get it? Now as for "acting contrary" well, first off, you do not violate a statute, you are simply not bound by it, so there's nothing to violate. I'm a believer in Rob here that due dilligence is the right way, and therefore, do your own work, your own research, your own attempts, do not force others to provide you with the remedies. Life's not fair nor is it easy, nor righteous but life is what life is; a rollercoaster.

Either way, this thread is dead...

Dodging the question, once again. You're claiming you're not bound by it, which means you can act contrary to it lawfully. You're yet to provide an example of any instance of where you can do this.

As for Parliamentary Sovereignty, I'm giving you a reading list of cases (to you smart ones, that's common law):

Mayor and Burgesses of London Borough of Hillingdon v Collins and others
Byrne v Dublin City Council (Attorney General, notice party) - [2009] IEHC 122
A and others v HM Treasury [2008]
Birmingham City Council v Doherty and others - [2008] LGR 695
Simmss [2000] 2 AC 115,131 per Lord Hoffman
Jordan v Lord Chancellor and another - [2007] 2 AC 226

Not an exhaustive list by any means, but Simms in particular is a good one to look at. I suppose, though, that any House of Lords decision (which makes up common law) that goes contrary to what you want to be true is simply to be discarded, right?

[cstewart1987]

no one said anything abut drunk driving.

most vehiclular collisions are from sober drivers.

Well then, i apologize for the generalization, but its still a valid point.

[cstewart1987]

I'm wary of anyone that needs artifical mood elevation to feel complete. Doesn't matter what form the drug takes.

And thanks for labelling me as a inbred, racist goon. Nothing could be further the truth. Oh, and for the record, you have shown yourself to be the racist with that comment about "heathen Isrealites"

Christ was an Israelite. What's your feeling on that?

As i said before, and you have just proven, you will only respond to insults, characteristics of a talking monkey. I make rash and sporadic attacks purely to incite anger and hopefully something intellectually sound will come of it, I wouldn't care less if you called me poor, so please don't feel bad.

[fotheringsmirth]

Actually, I'm just going to post Lord Hoffman's judgment in Simms in full on here, because it's pretty good:

LORD HOFFMANN. My Lords, I have had the advantage of reading in draft the speech of my noble and learned friend, Lord Steyn. I agree with it and for the reasons which he gives I would allow the appeals and make the orders which he proposes. I add only a few words of my own about the importance of the principle of legality in a constitution which, like ours, acknowledges the sovereignty of Parliament.

Parliamentary sovereignty means that Parliament can, if it chooses, legislate contrary to fundamental principles of human rights. The Human Rights Act 1998 will not detract from this power. The constraints upon its exercise by Parliament are ultimately political, not legal. But the principle of legality means that Parliament must squarely confront what it is doing and accept the political cost. Fundamental rights cannot be overridden by general or ambiguous words. This is because there is too great a risk that the full implications of their unqualified meaning may have passed unnoticed in the democratic process. In the absence of express language or necessary implication to the contrary, the courts therefore presume that even the most general words were intended to be subject to the basic rights of the individual. In this way the courts of the United Kingdom, though acknowledging the sovereignty of Parliament, apply principles of constitutionality little different from those which exist in countries where the power of the legislature is expressly limited by a constitutional document.

The Human Rights Act 1998 will make three changes to this scheme of things. First, the principles of fundamental human rights which exist at common law will be supplemented by a specific text, namely the European Convention on Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms. But much of the Convention reflects the common law: see Derbyshire County Council v. Times Newspapers Ltd. [1993] A.C. 534, 551. That is why the United Kingdom government felt able in 1950 to accede to the Convention without domestic legislative change. So the adoption of the text as part of
[2000] 2 A.C. 115 Page 132

domestic law is unlikely to involve radical change in our notions of fundamental human rights. Secondly, the principle of legality will be expressly enacted as a rule of construction in section 3 and will gain further support from the obligation of the minister in charge of a Bill to make a statement of compatibility under section 19. Thirdly, in those unusual cases in which the legislative infringement of fundamental human rights is so clearly expressed as not to yield to the principle of legality, the courts will be able to draw this to the attention of Parliament by making a declaration of incompatibility. It will then be for the sovereign Parliament to decide whether or not to remove the incompatibility.

What this case decides is that the principle of legality applies to subordinate legislation as much as to Acts of Parliament. Prison regulations expressed in general language are also presumed to be subject to fundamental human rights. The presumption enables them to be valid. But, it also means that properly construed, they do not authorise a blanket restriction which would curtail not merely the prisoner's right of free expression, but its use in a way which could provide him with access to justice.

[cstewart1987]

Dodging the question, once again. You're claiming you're not bound by it, which means you can act contrary to it lawfully. You're yet to provide an example of any instance of where you can do this.

As for Parliamentary Sovereignty, I'm giving you a reading list of cases (to you smart ones, that's common law):

Mayor and Burgesses of London Borough of Hillingdon v Collins and others
Byrne v Dublin City Council (Attorney General, notice party) - [2009] IEHC 122
A and others v HM Treasury [2008]
Birmingham City Council v Doherty and others - [2008] LGR 695
Simmss [2000] 2 AC 115,131 per Lord Hoffman
Jordan v Lord Chancellor and another - [2007] 2 AC 226

Not an exhaustive list by any means, but Simms in particular is a good one to look at. I suppose, though, that any House of Lords decision (which makes up common law) that goes contrary to what you want to be true is simply to be discarded, right?

Id say almost everything that comes out of the House of Lords, has been crafted in a way to counter Act any of gods laws, he even said, that THEY WILL BE IN HIS HOUSES< CLAIMING TO BE HIS FOLLOWERS< BUT WHAT ARE THEY

WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING<<


FORCE AND FEAR< IS The thing that gave them the G,Rip..

What to do what to DO..

[sofa king]

Well then, i apologize for the generalization, but its still a valid point.

I see where you are going with the point and I agree with the drunk driver thing.

Now the FMOTL concept I have nothing against. But I have read examples from some on this forum of practical application of these freeman principles. Sadly, others are impacted negatively by their actions.

If a Freeman wishes to live as such, feel free. But if it impacts someone else, there needs to be a mechanism in place for them to own up to this and make good on any damages they cause to someone else.

[sofa king]

As i said before, and you have just proven, you will only respond to insults, characteristics of a talking monkey. I make rash and sporadic attacks purely to incite anger and hopefully something intellectually sound will come of it, I wouldn't care less if you called me poor, so please don't feel bad.



I was asking if you were poor. You seem to have issues with it. I don't. I know people of wealth and people with nnothing. I hold both in the same regard. I don't look at bank accounts. I look at the person. Perhaps you should do the same.

As far as being a talking monkey, that's fine. You lumped me in with the same Israeli blood as your saviour. You decide where your racism and double standards end


As far as intellectual debate, in the same breath you called me a racist and then follwed it with a racist statement. You also, as a bible quoter, slagged your own Saviour. Not very intellectual at all.

[h2pogo]

I'm wary of anyone that needs artifical mood elevation to feel complete. Doesn't matter what form the drug takes.

what i think you dont understand is no one NEEDS to get stoned it is not addictive..unlike coffee or tea..alcohol..tobacco..

but thats wrong is it because a treasonus fraudulent warmongering undemocratic totalitarian government say it is??

[fotheringsmirth]

Id say almost everything that comes out of the House of Lords, has been crafted in a way to counter Act any of gods laws, he even said, that THEY WILL BE IN HIS HOUSES< CLAIMING TO BE HIS FOLLOWERS< BUT WHAT ARE THEY

WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING<<


FORCE AND FEAR< IS The thing that gave them the G,Rip..

What to do what to DO..

Okay, so now you don't have to observe House of Lords judgments either? Doesn't make sense, seeing as it's common law, but we'll have it your way. Here are some Court of Appeal and Queen's Bench devision decisions, also:

Bowman v Fels [2005] CA
R (on the application of Rose and another) v Secretary of State for Health and another [2002] QB

[dharmic one]

Sovereignty of Parliament is just a fact of the way the British legal system works, you can throw your toys out of the pram if you don't like it, I was merely pointing it out, not arguing in its favour.

Let's deal with this first...

fact
–noun
1. something that actually exists; reality; truth:

In a way you are spot on, and in another you simply cannot see the limit of your own argument. See whether we like it or not, there are limits to yours, mine and every other human's knowledge. To argue absolutely something made by man to be an immovable, supreme constant I think is against reason.

You must ignore your own bigotry to continue to believe that, since you cannot logically argue why it is such a fact, you are still able to call it a fact. You seem to favor absolute authority but I feel that it violates the very nature of man....Free will is our first and foremost possession.....unquestioning subservience to authority is no natural or to me, preferable state.

Parliament only exists by the grace of the people...as does anything these days. How can it then be superior to those people - always and absolutely??

I think you are right though if you consider your argument in the sense of the following....

de facto
 –noun
1. in fact; in reality:
2. actually existing, esp. when without lawful authority (distinguished from de jure ).

This is the true state of affairs with which I do not disagree. But you seem to argue for the sovereignty of parliament from a text book and wikipedia, not your own logical, critical consciousness. It is only so as long as the people are deluded enough to desire being controlled by others that it dominates. When that is over, change will come. I feel it is an inevitability.

I would also contend that "throwing your toys out of the pram" has no basis in a logical debate and that this is pure rhetorical argument...no logic involved.

Let's stick to one point and take them one at a time eh?



1 You didn't answer the question, anyway.

2 If you don't consider statute to be law then you must be able to act contrary to them in some meaningful way

3 If you can't demonstrate an example of when you've acted contrary to statute, argued in court that you're not bound by it and have the judge hold up your decision, then your whole FMOTL thing is bogus.

1. I don't believe that answering questions posed by others is a prerequisite to having and publicizing an opinion.....

2. I do every day without the need to take it up with parliament, the judiciary or the police and respond honorably to any request for money or performance under contract - be that contract with a friend or "my" de facto government.

3. Firstly the "FMOTL thing" is not mine. I do not own it - nor feel obliged to adhere to it. then there is the limited logic of your premise, namely;

That a man's belief is only valid if it has been "argued" for and upheld by a judge. This would be akin to black equality only being credible if argued for and upheld by a judge. This is false logic.

Or rather what I believe you have been led to believe is logic by a system of education that subverts man's intelligence instead of furthering it. This being perpetuated by concurrences of others who have themselves been conditioned simply to repeat instead of explain. This is what I feel your arguments in these threads is based upon, repetition rather than explanation or logical analysis. Your arguments descend into ad hominem when the textbook answers run out or your limited ability to elaborate on your understanding kicks in......



1. I think most people in this country quite like living in a system of laws where nobody is able to declare themselves above the rule of law, so the arguments aren't getting thin at all, they're widely rejected by most sane people.

2. You go off the assumption that anybody who doesn't conform to your own view is stupid, indoctrinated or misguided, which is a very intellectually sluggish and dishonest way of looking at things.

1. I agree most people in this country quite like living in a system of laws. But you have, like a lawyer, said something that appears to be saying something else but isn’t;

nobody is able to declare themselves above the rule of law,

No-one has yet in this country declared themselves above the rule of law.....(rule of law in fact being another doctrine, as that of parliamentary sovereignty) but I contend that many of them break various laws with complete impunity...as per Iraq war....whitewashes of “investigations” sold to the masses as truth......you are alluding here to an idea that no-one is viewed to be above the law...which is correct....but many are above the law....such as Tony Blair...

Doctrine
–noun
1. a particular principle, position, or policy taught or advocated, as of a religion or government: Catholic doctrines; the Monroe Doctrine.
2. something that is taught; teachings collectively: religious doctrine.
3. a body or system of teachings relating to a particular subject: the doctrine of the Catholic Church.

There is no mention of law here.....only teachings or policy.....

You quote doctrines yet deny being indoctrinated.....fascinating.....

“so the arguments aren't getting thin at all, they're widely rejected by most sane people”

This is an indication I feel of the descent of your argument into one of convention masquerading as reason........backed by a purely ad hominem justification.....


2. Post #6 from this page http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=96169

“So for people to go around suggesting that individuals can declare themselves sovereign when in the UK it is Parliament alone that is sovereign, is obviously misguided.”

I do not contend that anyone is stupid, indoctrinated or misguided, only their opinions sometimes are. I am not my opinion are you?? Occasionally I use words like "dum dum" to refer to the irony of people possessing an indoctrinated belief system of double think being lauded as reason or logic, but I don’t believe I have attacked anyone in particular....at least no more than you or any other...

Are you not assuming that I am making assumptions?

[cstewart1987]

I was asking if you were poor. You seem to have issues with it. I don't. I know people of wealth and people with nnothing. I hold both in the same regard. I don't look at bank accounts. I look at the person. Perhaps you should do the same.

As far as being a talking monkey, that's fine. You lumped me in with the same Israeli blood as your saviour. You decide where your racism and double standards end


As far as intellectual debate, in the same breath you called me a racist and then follwed it with a racist statement. You also, as a bible quoter, slagged your own Saviour. Not very intellectual at all.

I have a meagre existence, mainly built up of work, home, college, readng, i often fit in a good few hours reading per night and some personal time to spend with family and girlfriend, besides a car and whats in my room and shed(music room), i have nothing of monetary value, more often enough i spend my money on fed'ing and enjoying my friends/familys company, im a chef..

My land that my Ancestors where given, has been pillaged, its was razed, all of our ancestors resources, where stockpiles by gentils, if we where to stockpile, it would be called hoarding, words can be very deceiving, this is all i can say, I am no biblical schollar and as such dont want to continue talking shite about where jesus originated, becuase i dont have the capabilitie to understand or contemplate that as of yet, i think.

I am aware that a contradiction is a sure sign of non knowlage of a subject, but i never said i was the be all and end all, im here to have a discussion, asnon rational and outlandish the subjects are (to the societal norms) they are onehundred and ten percent correct, the truth is theyve lied for quite some time on all levels of society, poor rich.. whatever/./

You dont feel hate toward the man who holds you life in his hand, for he could send in a hit squad to have you whiped out, this i have seen.

Economic hitman, spiritual hitman, the jesuits and such have them all.

le meas,
Críostóir

[john white]

Back to topic


Any freemen up to the challenge

John White seems to think no laws are being broken
How about it john?

asky

A pathetic conclusion from yourself, I was very clear

[rob menard]

The problem is the premise rests upon the idea that cocaine is a good thing, and having lost friends to it, I don't see it that way.

This challenge sounds very much like the one previously extended. "Go punch a cop and then tell him he can't arrest you because you are not a person." Some guy once challenged me. The concept is that we are adult enough to act without people governing and taxing or every move and the challenges from those who can't seem to aaccept the truth always seem to be so childish.

It can't be true cause then people will do stupid and childish and hurtful things is essentially their argument. At that point you try to explain that people can grow up and choose to not do those hurtful things and that part of the FMOTL perspective is we do not harm, damage or use fraud. Prove it they say! Accept my challenge! And then they always bring forth a challenge that is harmful, fraudulent or childish.

Prove you are competent to act in a mature fashion, by showing how you can act in an immature fashion and not face consequences. And the problem is from the challengers perspective, the challenge does not seem to be childish at all.

This challenge says more about what you think is mature action, then it does our ability to act when we choose. Accepting challenges such as yours will result in the abandonment of choice which makes us free. We say we are free. You say prove it do what I tell you to do. See how you fail to use logic?

Have a great day!
See my next post to hear my position, I don't want to derail this thread.

Rob

[cstewart1987]

The problem is the premise rests upon the idea that cocaine is a good thing, and having lost friends to it, I don't see it that way.

This challenge sounds very much like the one previously extended. "Go punch a cop and then tell him he can't arrest you because you are not a person." Some guy once challenged me. The concept is that we are adult enough to act without people governing and taxing or every move and the challenges from those who can't seem to aaccept the truth always seem to be so childish.

It can't be true cause then people will do stupid and childish and hurtful things is essentially their argument. At that point you try to explain that people can grow up and choose to not do those hurtful things and that part of the FMOTL perspective is we do not harm, damage or use fraud. Prove it they say! Accept my challenge! And then they always bring forth a challenge that is harmful, fraudulent or childish.

Prove you are competent to act in a mature fashion, by showing how you can act in an immature fashion and not face consequences. And the problem is from the challengers perspective, the challenge does not seem to be childish at all.

This challenge says more about what you think is mature action, then it does our ability to act when we choose. Accepting challenges such as yours will result in the abandonment of choice which makes us free. We say we are free. You say prove it do what I tell you to do. See how you fail to use logic?

Have a great day!
See my next post to hear my position, I don't want to derail this thread.

Rob


i can just picture you standing voice reading that out. lol

reminds me of that spoof video you made a while ago, very funny, almost as funny as some peoples B.S belief systems

Cool, great post rob, thanks for the input..

[asky]

h2pogo wrote
The person would be harmed anyway.if a freeman was capable of paying for medical bills whats the difference..

Freemen are not capable for paying for medical bills because freemen are skint,thats why they want to be freemen.

You dont need insurance if you have £500,000 lying around

Have you got that much?

asky

[sofa king]

I have a meagre existence, mainly built up of work, home, college, readng, i often fit in a good few hours reading per night and some personal time to spend with family and girlfriend, besides a car and whats in my room and shed(music room), i have nothing of monetary value, more often enough i spend my money on fed'ing and enjoying my friends/familys company, im a chef..





if that is how you live and you are content and happy, then I am happy for you. Monetary wealth and amassing of possesions is not a recipe for happiness.

I bear no ill will for anyone's monetary wealth or lack of it. Live how you choose and live without jealousy. jealousy of material possesions, jealousy of familial structure, jealousy over occupation, whatever.

Appreciate what you have first. Sometimes we as a species forget the simple things.

[sofa king]

I am no biblical schollar and as such dont want to continue talking shite about where jesus originated, becuase i dont have the capabilitie to understand or contemplate that as of yet, i think.



Your Creator is in your heart. No one can find their creator in a book or from a pulpit. Your Creator is known by the name you give Him. Your Creator is capable of feats as you can define them.

That's my $0.02 on faith.

[h2pogo]

Freemen are not capable for paying for medical bills because freemen are skint,thats why they want to be freemen.

lol..you are kidding yourself if you claim to know a freemans personal financial situation..
and if you believe being skint is a reason for being a freeman you are completely missing the point..

You dont need insurance if you have £500,000 lying around

i think damages could be way more than that.which is why until i can find an alternative i will continue to pay for motor insurance..


Have you got that much?

thats a personal question..i will have to leave you guessing;)


asky[/QUOTE]

[cstewart1987]

lol..you are kidding yourself if you claim to know a freemans personal financial situation..
and if you believe being skint is a reason for being a freeman you are completely missing the point..



i think damages could be way more than that.which is why until i can find an alternative i will continue to pay for motor insurance..




thats a personal question..i will have to leave you guessing;)


asky[/QUOTE]

Excellent post my friend, i didnt even know what to say to that fool, jees i said then went had a joint and soe lovly sirloin and potatoes carrts peas,, yumm, thats what being a freemans about, slightly, tho it could be gone soon, codex n all.

[hadabusa]

The problem is the premise rests upon the idea that cocaine is a good thing, and having lost friends to it, I don't see it that way.

This challenge sounds very much like the one previously extended. "Go punch a cop and then tell him he can't arrest you because you are not a person." Some guy once challenged me. The concept is that we are adult enough to act without people governing and taxing or every move and the challenges from those who can't seem to aaccept the truth always seem to be so childish.

It can't be true cause then people will do stupid and childish and hurtful things is essentially their argument. At that point you try to explain that people can grow up and choose to not do those hurtful things and that part of the FMOTL perspective is we do not harm, damage or use fraud. Prove it they say! Accept my challenge! And then they always bring forth a challenge that is harmful, fraudulent or childish.

Prove you are competent to act in a mature fashion, by showing how you can act in an immature fashion and not face consequences. And the problem is from the challengers perspective, the challenge does not seem to be childish at all.

This challenge says more about what you think is mature action, then it does our ability to act when we choose. Accepting challenges such as yours will result in the abandonment of choice which makes us free. We say we are free. You say prove it do what I tell you to do. See how you fail to use logic?

Have a great day!
See my next post to hear my position, I don't want to derail this thread.

Rob

no.flawed.
punching a cop breaks rule of doing harm to nobody, therefore, isnt compareable.

cstewart, you say fmotl wanna live peacefully and breach no laws.
wtf is the problem then?if you breach no laws, you wont have problems with them.duuuhhh.

please keep religious views out of this, biblethumper, ya know, theres more religions then1, theres even atheists,i swear.
last time i checked, fmotl has nothing2do with religion/believe.
stay focussed on the matter,ffs.

to the selfrighteous hypocrites who think its acceptable2drive wo licence(there4 no insurance either)....do you realize youre gonna pay in full even if a coked up asshole collides with you?
not2mention if you caused the collision.

one had the nerve2say theyd be injured anyway.

no shit sherlock, but you will pay, instead of insurance .
what if the other guy needs car4work, but cant get new1 bc youre broke?and then loses his home?unfcknbelieveable.
albania n kosovo most ppl drive wo licence/insurance, i think i need not go further into it2make my point.

ok, the coke example seems2extreme, fmotl blind folks counter this RHETORIC argument with weed is less harmfull etc.

ok, get a kilo weed then and tell a cop "look,mister,thiss all mine,im sooo fmotl "

simple as, no ifs,whens,no bs.if fmotl works, neither weed nor coke should get you trouble, so why does nobody go and shut me tf up forever?
should i offer a money price?

btw, theres nations where small amounts of any drug is "legal".

basis of laws and treatys are often implemented after bloodshed n ppl beg4order, law is nothing but a gun at your head on paper.
yes,its unfair, but fact.

thx rob for remaining polite, its appreciated, i never tought youre dumb, youre apparently smart.

john white, you started flatout insulting me,im not jesus,i wont offer my other cheek for sparring,fyi.

[hadabusa]

A pathetic conclusion from yourself, I was very clear

no you werent.


asky asked for practicall proof, you decided to stay behind your pc.

hes the bring it on type of guy, youre the guy backing up his mouth with....thin air.

[cstewart1987]

no.flawed.
punching a cop breaks rule of doing harm to nobody, therefore, isnt compareable.

cstewart, you say fmotl wanna live peacefully and breach no laws.
wtf is the problem then?if you breach no laws, you wont have problems with them.duuuhhh.

please keep religious views out of this, biblethumper, ya know, theres more religions then1, theres even atheists,i swear.
last time i checked, fmotl has nothing2do with religion/believe.
stay focussed on the matter,ffs.

to the selfrighteous hypocrites who think its acceptable2drive wo licence(there4 no insurance either)....do you realize youre gonna pay in full even if a coked up asshole collides with you?
not2mention if you caused the collision.

one had the nerve2say theyd be injured anyway.

no shit sherlock, but you will pay, instead of insurance .
what if the other guy needs car4work, but cant get new1 bc youre broke?and then loses his home?unfcknbelieveable.
albania n kosovo most ppl drive wo licence/insurance, i think i need not go further into it2make my point.

ok, the coke example seems2extreme, fmotl blind folks counter this RHETORIC argument with weed is less harmfull etc.

ok, get a kilo weed then and tell a cop "look,mister,thiss all mine,im sooo fmotl "

simple as, no ifs,whens,no bs.if fmotl works, neither weed nor coke should get you trouble, so why does nobody go and shut me tf up forever?
should i offer a money price?

btw, theres nations where small amounts of any drug is "legal".

basis of laws and treatys are often implemented after bloodshed n ppl beg4order, law is nothing but a gun at your head on paper.
yes,its unfair, but fact.

thx rob for remaining polite, its appreciated, i never tought youre dumb, youre apparently smart.

john white, you started flatout insulting me,im not jesus,i wont offer my other cheek for sparring,fyi.

Quod pro minore licitum est, et pro majore licitum est. What is lawful in the less, is lawful in the greater. 8 Co. 43.

Give your head peace, mo chara, ive had many of incident where a policy officer has found out about my cannabis stash and i have been allowed to keep it. so there. if anyone cares to know the situation id be happy to share on bebo or facebook as it is personal and relates to my family history.

[hadabusa]

lol..you are kidding yourself if you claim to know a freemans personal financial situation..
and if you believe being skint is a reason for being a freeman you are completely missing the point..


asky[/QUOTE]
well, arguably wealthy ppl buy the law and have less hassle.
ive been to govt hollydays recently, no wealthy ppl were there.

so youre one of the talk only fmotl who pays insurance, till a better thing get availlable.

that reminds me of karl marx proposing communism,but he himself choosed other ways.

whats the word4that again??

hypocrite
:confused:

[hadabusa]

Quod pro minore licitum est, et pro majore licitum est. What is lawful in the less, is lawful in the greater. 8 Co. 43.

Give your head peace, mo chara, ive had many of incident where a policy officer has found out about my cannabis stash and i have been allowed to keep it. so there. if anyone cares to know the situation id be happy to share on bebo or facebook as it is personal and relates to my family history.

lol,in switzerland, every other household grows weed on the balcony openly, and nobody cares.

[h2pogo]

no.flawed.
basis of laws and treatys are often implemented after bloodshed n ppl beg4order, law is nothing but a gun at your head on paper.
yes,its unfair, but fact.

.

that is a fair truth..that is why i can only see the fmotl working if enough people point the guns (bits of paper) at the establishment..

[hadabusa]

interesting ..i await the first case where a freeman is charged with possesion of a controlled substance..
but why would anyone want to call the cops??? :confused:

its an artifical worst case scenario to make a point and an oppurtunity for fmotl ppl to convince me im wrong.

i didnt claim im right etc.

so far, im not seeing fmotl beeing right.

[asky]

I posted another thread offering a reward if someone accessed my bond.
It had more hits than any other post within the short time it was available.
(freemen not interested in money I think not)

It got locked when no one could actually claim the reward.

Heres a couple of links to have a look at
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=147009

Rob joined this one (post 1182)
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=155358
He didnt fare too well

asky

[cstewart1987]

i hink were stuck in a pen(al)is system, lol

[shane]

John Harris hasn't paid income tax or any fines for about the last five years. So I think it's safe to say "fmotl works".

Being a freeman is about being a good, decent human being who refuses to support or co-operate with a corrupt, criminal system. It's got nothing to do with petty scumbags escaping justice.

Common law = common sense.

[cstewart1987]

John Harris hasn't paid income tax or any fines for about the last five years. So I think it's safe to say "fmotl works".

Being a freeman is about being a good, decent human being who refuses to support or co-operate with a corrupt, criminal system. It's got nothing to do with petty scumbags escaping justice.

Common law = common sense.

Thanks for the input mate, your right..

[h2pogo]

well, arguably wealthy ppl buy the law and have less hassle.
ive been to govt hollydays recently, no wealthy ppl were there.

so youre one of the talk only fmotl who pays insurance, till a better thing get availlable.

that reminds me of karl marx proposing communism,but he himself choosed other ways.

whats the word4that again??

hypocrite
:confused:[/QUOTE]

what makes you think i am a fmotl.
you know nothing about me so how can you call me a hypocrite..
i choose my own way..if people choose to drive unisured good luck to them but why the f***k should i..I am free to choose how i want to be free and stay free thanks..

[hadabusa]

that is a fair truth..that is why i can only see the fmotl working if enough people point the guns (bits of paper) at the establishment..

well,thats a revolt intending to force new law system upon a community.

im not neccesarly opposed to that, but its going in circles,tbh.

[john white]

no you werent.


asky asked for practicall proof, you decided to stay behind your pc.

hes the bring it on type of guy, youre the guy backing up his mouth with....thin air.

You started this thread as an angry idiot: and you are still one

I owe you nothing, consider yourself fortunate to have your folly shown to you

[h2pogo]

well,thats a revolt intending to force new law system upon a community.

im not neccesarly opposed to that, but its going in circles,tbh.

or is it just turning things round..a kind of revolution..

[hadabusa]

John Harris hasn't paid income tax or any fines for about the last five years. So I think it's safe to say "fmotl works".

Being a freeman is about being a good, decent human being who refuses to support or co-operate with a corrupt, criminal system. It's got nothing to do with petty scumbags escaping justice.

Common law = common sense.

i havent payed income tax in 10years, and ive been running businesses making good amounts of money.

thats not the same thing as proving fmotl works.
everyone can get around income tax if they want.

you feel smart4not paying income tax , well, you know, every transaction with money contains taxes.
cigs,alc,gaz,electricity,food, taxed.

who uses money pays taxes wich make income tax look laughable in comparo.

h2pogo,my sincere appologies,i jumped the gun and admit it was pretty fkn dumb of me:D

[cstewart1987]

or is it just turning things round..a kind of revolution..

mybe its all jsut apart of spiritual evolution, like trial and error.

[hadabusa]

You started this thread as an angry idiot: and you are still one

I owe you nothing, consider yourself fortunate to have your folly shown to you

they always come back4more,lol.

got anything usefull to contribute,btw?

you started personal namecalling, deal with the consequences.

[asky]

shane wrote
John Harris hasn't paid income tax or any fines for about the last five years. So I think it's safe to say "fmotl works".

Maybe he doesnt work or works cash in hand and maybe he hasnt had any fines.

He advocates taking a birth certificate into court and then walking out and asking them to take it from the birth certificate.
all of which proves he hasnt been in a court.

asky

[hadabusa]

shane wrote


Maybe he doesnt work or works cash in hand and maybe he hasnt had any fines.

He advocates taking a birth certificate into court and then walking out and asking them to take it from the birth certificate.
all of which proves he hasnt been in a court.

asky

lol, he claims he does that?:):D

[cstewart1987]

lol, he claims he does that?:):D

i suggest both of you prowl the internet for audio relating to speaking to a judge as a sovereign, its available, on http://freemanireland.ning.com/

whoever made that post on ghr)(andi forum, contradicts them selfs in the first para.

[asky]

Yes hes even had a little cartoon done but I cant add attachments or I would post it

asky

[hadabusa]

no video i guess?

[hadabusa]

to be fair, this worked it seems.

Irish Freeman in Court 27 April 09 Larger, Whiter Text - YouTube


but did he get away once&for all?:confused:

[asky]

You could look through them but after one it gets a little repetative with all the "may means must" and understand means stand under???

asky

[asky]

Maybe the prosecution failed to provide evidence

Without any more information it could have been a number of things

asky

[ignoranto_bliss]

Lmfao,, You and your mate, HadaBusa, theres no need to insult me, Im speaking the truth, i don't adhere to any form of belief system, so take you face for a good ule shite before you start speaking down to me son, men at a table speak across to each other. You and your Zionist concentration camp morals and dogmas can go suck an rfid chip or better still, considering your hear for comedy and not truth, go lick your great grannys growler.. ya monkey

Work is Freedom, tell that to the 1 million plus humans double-crossed.

I never insulted you i just praised the knowledge and wisdom of freemen and said that i listen to what they say with my eyes open . But when something is being said during the lecture just to please to sensation hungry audience and one chap asks ' hey why aint you buying another mansion if its possible ' All they get is - let the adults do the talking ...shut up gentile :D :D

Wise men gone mad ! Rhianna where you at ... :D

[number_6]

John Harris hasn't paid income tax or any fines for about the last five years. So I think it's safe to say "fmotl works".


I was under the impression that HMRC have filed a bankruptcy petition. Does that mean "fmotl works" ?

[h2pogo]

I was under the impression that HMRC have filed a bankruptcy petition. Does that mean "fmotl works" ?

does it mean it doesnt...

[number_6]

does it mean it doesnt...

I was just asking is that what a freeman does consider a success, if it is, that's fine, but bankruptcy is not for me.

[fotheringsmirth]

He claims that he hasn't paid any tax. I would have thought you people of all would be skeptical of believing what some random guy tells you is true. First off - loads of people get away with not paying income tax for a while and eventually they get bitten in the ass. Secondly - just because he says he hasn't paid anything, doesn't mean he hasn't. If it worked then there wouldn't be a single failure story, but there are loads.

[fotheringsmirth]

to be fair, this worked it seems.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E8zowJOtM8


but did he get away once&for all?:confused:

You consider that evidence? It was the 4th and final hearing. Considering its length of less than 90 seconds, it was probably a formality. The judge didn't even engage the guy when he stood up to say what he was going to say. What is more likely is that he was falsely accused of a crime, decided to argue this freeman bollocks even though he hadn't actually committed a crime and then got let off anyway. Even though he would have been found innocent no matter what, he claims that standing up in court and spouting gibberish is what won the case.

That's what I would imagine happened anyway, because it's the most likely scenario. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and for such an extraordinary claim as using that as a legal defense, it would require a bit more evidence than an unconvincing 80-second youtube video.

[hadabusa]

You consider that evidence? It was the 4th and final hearing. Considering its length of less than 90 seconds, it was probably a formality. The judge didn't even engage the guy when he stood up to say what he was going to say. What is more likely is that he was falsely accused of a crime, decided to argue this freeman bollocks even though he hadn't actually committed a crime and then got let off anyway. Even though he would have been found innocent no matter what, he claims that standing up in court and spouting gibberish is what won the case.

That's what I would imagine happened anyway, because it's the most likely scenario. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and for such an extraordinary claim as using that as a legal defense, it would require a bit more evidence than an unconvincing 80-second youtube video.
lol,im prolly robs hardest criticall guy here.

no way i consider that evidence, theres more2it(vids,comments),ill go thru it carefully.

i stated i dont know how it ended.

but this was the only vid i could find resembling a succes,lol.

its ok afor study purposes,short etc.

btw,the failed attempts on youtube belong to joke forum section, even i found them not worth posting

:cool:

[ignoranto_bliss]

lol,im prolly robs hardest criticall guy here.

no way i consider that evidence, theres more2it(vids,comments),ill go thru it carefully.

i stated i dont know how it ended.

but this was the only vid i could find resembling a succes,lol.

its ok afor study purposes,short etc.

btw,the failed attempts on youtube belong to joke forum section, even i found them not worth posting

:cool:

Fuk youtube watch TV rather then at least you will agree on everything with everybody :D except football probably .

[john white]

they always come back4more,lol.

got anything usefull to contribute,btw?

you started personal namecalling, deal with the consequences.

What consequences? You don't represent any

Your example was weak and ignorant, which was quickly shown

It's essential to understand lawful behaviour if you are to understand when "FOTL" works and when it does not, because other wise you cant know why it works or what it is

There seems little excuse not to understand this from anyone who has watched one of Rob's major films: John Harris is a different matter, his is a stand on not compounding treason by thieves and elitists. That is WHY he has not paid claims of tax. And that is why many respect him: because he is fighting and not taking it like a slave. And his choice of battlefeild

He has served his notice and there is no obvious contract to the claims of bankruptcy the state is attempting to impose on him: whether he will be shown to have contracted unknowingly is the issue, but an unrebutted notice makes that less likely

[hadabusa]

What consequences? You don't represent any

Your example was weak and ignorant, which was quickly shown

It's essential to understand lawful behaviour if you are to understand when "FOTL" works and when it does not, because other wise you cant know why it works or what it is

There seems little excuse not to understand this from anyone who has watched one of Rob's major films: John Harris is a different matter, his is a stand on not compounding treason by thieves and elitists. That is WHY he has not paid claims of tax. And that is why many respect him: because he is fighting and not taking it like a slave. And his choice of battlefeild

He has served his notice and there is no obvious contract to the claims of bankruptcy the state is attempting to impose on him: whether he will be shown to have contracted unknowingly is the issue, but an unrebutted notice makes that less likely
youre useless2this thread,john.

tell wether you think youd spend jail time if caught with 1kilo coke(or weed)or not.

very simple question.

[sofa king]

youre useless2this thread,john.

tell wether you think youd spend jail time if caught with 1kilo coke(or weed)or not.

very simple question.


IMO, 1 kilo of coke wouldn't be personal consumption. I just don't see that one being let go by a judge under a freeman defense.

and to flip this and use the earlier example of marijuana, a comparable amount (dollar wise) would be how much? a garbage bag maybe?

Sorry not up on all the street values so bear with me.

A garbage bag of marijuana would fall into the same area of not-for-personal-consumption.

Now if the person had a gram of coke on their person, then I could see the freeman defense potentially holding up

[hadabusa]

IMO, 1 kilo of coke wouldn't be personal consumption. I just don't see that one being let go by a judge under a freeman defense.

and to flip this and use the earlier example of marijuana, a comparable amount (dollar wise) would be how much? a garbage bag maybe?

Sorry not up on all the street values so bear with me.

A garbage bag of marijuana would fall into the same area of not-for-personal-consumption.

Now if the person had a gram of coke on their person, then I could see the freeman defense potentially holding up
thats how it is, thus fmotl would not ever get anyone out of trouble in such cases.

think about it, ppl with diplomat immunity were jailed for similiar cases.

in switzerland, 18gr+ of pure coke is a big breach of law.thats worth roughly 1800usd street value.
lesser amounts,ppl dont go2jail,unless theyre notorious.

4weed, 70k usd is where it becomes a big breach of law..thats 22lb weed.dry and cut,btw.

i know in uk its way harsher then that.

i find swiss charges on these kinda acceptable, therefore no need2try fmotl bs n annoy judge,seeing as one gets moderate, monetary punishment.

and no fmotl answered yet if fmotl does even apply in civil coded law nations.
that fraud antiterrorits repeatedly ignores this question, try ask him.:)

[john white]

youre useless2this thread,john.

tell wether you think youd spend jail time if caught with 1kilo coke(or weed)or not.

very simple question.

Ignorance again. I dont lie, dont steal and dont cause harm

Ever

Period

Your failings are your problem

I have no problem with jail for criminals

It's a society free for the lawful I seek

[john white]

and no fmotl answered yet if fmotl does even apply in civil coded law nations.
that fraud antiterrorits repeatedly ignores this question, try ask him

LOL

Because its so flipping simple to answer

Establish jurisdiction before entering a country or don't go there

If you live in such a corpus juris society then life is harder because its risk all to make it lawful or live as slaves

[sofa king]

thats how it is, thus fmotl would not ever get anyone out of trouble in such cases.

think about it, ppl with diplomat immunity were jailed for similiar cases.

in switzerland, 18gr+ of pure coke is a big breach of law.thats worth roughly 1800usd street value.
lesser amounts,ppl dont go2jail,unless theyre notorious.

4weed, 70k usd is where it becomes a big breach of law..thats 22lb weed.dry and cut,btw.

i know in uk its way harsher then that.

i find swiss charges on these kinda acceptable, therefore no need2try fmotl bs n annoy judge,seeing as one gets moderate, monetary punishment.

and no fmotl answered yet if fmotl does even apply in civil coded law nations.
that fraud antiterrorits repeatedly ignores this question, try ask him.:)



I suppose what it boils down to is the purity of the person.

is FMOTL just an excuse for participating in knowingly illegal behaviour? Or are they truly trying to live a freemans life and are going to adhere to the principles of the concept.

[hadabusa]

LOL

Because its so flipping simple to answer

Establish jurisdiction before entering a country or don't go there

If you live in such a corpus juris society then life is harder because its risk all to make it lawful or live as slaves

you seriously really think cops wouldnt come for you if charged for huge amount of drug possesion?



l.o.l.

best example is a dealer wo id,any document and not able2talk or understand a single word of the nations language.


the cops will just arrest him anyway.

omfg, "etablish juristiction" before entering a country,lol, sorry, but i seriously think you need a reality check.

[ignoranto_bliss]

Hada as we already came to conclusion via pm to a very ' not from a nice place of birth ' conclusion .

If they can bang your head and you cant bang back or shoot, all these words are well just to make law students and freemen busy .

But if WE or YOU or someone UNITE and bang back . Then crap ...then what ...

[hadabusa]

I suppose what it boils down to is the purity of the person.

is FMOTL just an excuse for participating in knowingly illegal behaviour? Or are they truly trying to live a freemans life and are going to adhere to the principles of the concept.

if they dont wanna breach laws in the first place, theres no reason 4a fmotl society.
plz tell me this statement makes sense4you:)

im against big,tyrrant govt,no question, but asking 4a right2drive cars w/o insurance is INSANE.

avoiding parking tickets ,income tax needs neither rocketscientist nor fmotl advice,lets be honest.

i could push fmotl propaganda and make some cash,im absolutelly sure, but it morally wrong imo, n im no moralist by any means.

[hadabusa]

Ignorance again. I dont lie, dont steal and dont cause harm

Ever

Period

Your failings are your problem

I have no problem with jail for criminals

It's a society free for the lawful I seek

yes,then youre deluded.

nice if YOU do not intend2do any bs.

but maybe others do and care2know where fmotl limits are.

youre too affraid to answer a very simple question with yes/no and short explanation.

unbelieveable.

any idea how your posts look for some1new to the matter?
think about it.

[ignoranto_bliss]

Same thing happened with that forum member Gaygirl . Know it all very nice ...they just banged her in the zoo and Shanghai bonsai . And her crime was some funny crap uncomparable to to drugs of physical injury .

[hadabusa]

Hada as we already came to conclusion via pm to a very ' not from a nice place of birth ' conclusion .

If they can bang your head and you cant bang back or shoot, all these words are well just to make law students and freemen busy .

But if WE or YOU or someone UNITE and bang back . Then crap ...then what ...

yes, "law"=gun at head,but on paper.


only by force can the system be overthrown, they wont just usher away.

[hadabusa]

Same thing happened with that forum member Gaygirl . Know it all very nice ...they just banged her in the zoo and Shanghai bonsai . And her crime was some funny crap uncomparable to to drugs of physical injury .

isnt there a video?

imo, that person can be happy she didnt end in a loonie hotel.

btw, serbian cops,and yes, this IS common there.
look n see where fmotl mumbojambo would take you there.
since all courts operate on lex mercante(spelling?), fmotl should apply.

PLZ WATCH THIS

Hvatanje na delu - YouTube

[ignoranto_bliss]

Exactly DO NOT DO CRIMES ... Do not cause injury harm or loss . And then gov says - by driving drunk you CAN CAUSE I H L . You possibly can . But i have Dickey Simpkins so its means im automatically a rapist .

Another thing if you are afraid to be killed by a drunk driver its your choice as a free man to not ever go on the road . Even if you starve to death you choose . Isnt it the concept of freeman - you make your choices and if those choices kill you so be it .

At least it is what i make of it watched all John Harris talks .. all 3 :D . I love him i do .

[ignoranto_bliss]

isnt there a video?

imo, that person can be happy she didnt end in a loonie hotel.

btw, serbian cops,and yes, this IS common there.
look n see where fmotl mumbojambo would take you there.
since all courts operate on lex mercante(spelling?), fmotl should apply.

PLZ WATCH THIS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9_8npoeWbY

Yes Busita yes come and try to tell habus corpus hablo espanol seniorita when the cops are kicking your head non stop . I think someone from Canda or so dream place had never ever in their lives seen this happening .
When i told my bro about this freeman he said ' they will bang you untill you take all the crimes of the month on yourself ' . In russia and i believe in Serbia its a common practice .

But freeman can help when you dont have to deal with the police directly . When you deal with pushing papers back and forth and writing letters then yes Free would be handy stuff . Knowing law better than the office you are dealing with .

[john white]

yes,then youre deluded.

nice if YOU do not intend2do any bs.

but maybe others do and care2know where fmotl limits are.

youre too affraid to answer a very simple question with yes/no and short explanation.

unbelieveable.

any idea how your posts look for some1new to the matter?
think about it.

All your stupid arse question have been swatted

You are completely blind seeing what you want to see because you are a frightened little child

I'm completely out of patience for this kind of bullshit at the moment

[ignoranto_bliss]

Busa when you know it all you need no answers . :eek:

DO you homework :D watch more youtube videos .

The answer is in your dear heart .

[ignoranto_bliss]

It was im my humble opinion very pointless thread ... but it was fun and eye opening for me!



We all know something or maybe think we know, copy paste the law and bible very nice . Then Gods law and some Gods code . All that Latin .

If it helps you and makes feel nice through the day then its perfect !!! Be happy go live maybe others will catch up and will say sod it - I DONT UNDERSTAND !!! I OVERSTAND !! GIMME YA BIRTHIE IM OFF TO BUY A BOAT! and will live happily ever after .

WHY WE FIGHT ?

Me i live by the only habus corpus Magna Carta Gods code 3000

' Either kill yourself or get used to it and live and work and be happy ' Billy Corgan

And im happy! And never ever knowingly cause injury harm or loss. :)

[dharmic one]

I think this thread was finished by post 6.........

To conclude...RE the OP.....No-one claiming to be a free man would attempt in any way to knowingly harm another. This extends to selling class A's. All the op has done, despite his claims of relevance to the subject has, perhaps without even his own conscious knowledge, ensured that the challenge can't be taken up by making the challenge against the very principles he claims to be showing no-one could uphold.

This is a false premise.

No challenge based on a false premise will be undertaken by anyone anywhere because it is over before it has begun. All the OP has shown is that they actually do not understand even the most basic concepts that are being proposed.......

I believe that a free man would respond like so........

Dear OP,

I would like to conditionally accept your offer of a challenge but have not the abilility to obtain 1 kilo of cocaine and would prefer not to sell something considered so harmful by so many. I would be happy as per one of your posts to replace the cocaine with some "can't think let alone move shit".....aka Cannabis.....

I will accept your challenge with the following 2 conditions;

1. Could you please enclose a cheque or monies to the value of £6428.57 to cover the cost of such a purchase?

2. Could you please also send me some 10 and 20 bags so that I may fulfill your request?

Failing this I trust you will refrain from continuing to ask for this challenge to be taken as I believe it to be an illogical and fallacious one that is designed from the beginning to be impossible to fulfill without actually compromising the values of one who would seek to prove you wrong.


Please note, I have accepted your challenge, please respond with 10 days of this post with the conditions I have specified.

Failing this I will assume that the challenge is no longer open and the thread has been discontinued....

Yours sincerely, without ill-will, vexation or frivolity,

me

[01011000]

Lmao. Owned

[rob menard]

That's some right powerful word smithin and idea forgin there. Where'd one go to learn that fancy law talkings?

[h2pogo]

I was just asking is that what a freeman does consider a success, if it is, that's fine, but bankruptcy is not for me.

you dont have to be a freeman to be bankrupt..

i suppose being free is a success..

[ignoranto_bliss]

Dharmic_gone

Where does OP states he is distributing or going to distribute a kilo of class A drug ? Just a question ...

[sofa king]

Dharmic_gone

Where does OP states he is distributing or going to distribute a kilo of class A drug ? Just a question ...

the odds of a kilo being purely for personal consumption is very slim.

No, the OP didn't say it but we need to assume the drug will be resold based on the quantity alone.

Which is where the seriousness of the legal charges would come from.

[ignoranto_bliss]

Dharmic_gone

Where does OP states he is distributing or going to distribute a kilo of class A drug ? Just a question ...

OK dont respond :) im clueless anyways .

They will bang you untill you accept all the crimes of the city and then you die . But a freeman is not afraid to die for his truth .

You are all brilliant

Love is the only truth .

Queen was a great band .

[ignoranto_bliss]

the odds of a kilo being purely for personal consumption is very slim.

No, the OP didn't say it but we need to assume the drug will be resold based on the quantity alone.

Which is where the seriousness of the legal charges would come from.

Dear Sofa

I wasnt asking about odds .

Where does he ?

Just a question again.

[somethinganonymous]

Dharmic_gone

Where does OP states he is distributing or going to distribute a kilo of class A drug ? Just a question ...

Doesn't matter. If you buy a kilo of coke you are supporting organized crime, drug cartells in Colombia and Ecuador that funds, for instance, the FARC communist guerilla that kidnaps and kills hundred if not thousands of people every year. You also support prostitution, human trafficing, sales of unlawful weapons, etc. etc. Either way, buying and posessing a kilo of coke is in no way something that a freeman-on-the-land would do. It is childish and it is stupid, regardless wheter the intent was to sell the coke or not. I'd say this thread is dead (like I said earlier). The OP is a troll who doesn't understand even the most basics of concepts. He's just clamoring to his poorly constructed and illogical paradigm of "Parliament is Sovereign because that's fact" B.S. and that's it. He canæt even for the sake of argument open his mind big enough to understand the law of the land:
1. Thou shall not harm anyone
2. Thou shall not steal or do damage to anothers property
3. Thou shall not commit fraud.

I mean, how hard can it be? I feel sorry for the poor fella. He seems well versed in legal affairs, yet seem totally incapable of understanding the bigger picture.

[ignoranto_bliss]

the odds of a kilo being purely for personal consumption is very slim.

No, the OP didn't say it but we need to assume the drug will be resold based on the quantity alone.

Which is where the seriousness of the legal charges would come from.

Sorry dear Sofa

We need to assume ... ?

emm

[somethinganonymous]

Sorry dear Sofa

We need to assume ... ?

emm

We don't need to assume he would be supporting scumfucks like communist guerillas, mujahedin terrorists, organized crime cartells that sells young girls into slavery, sale of weapons, be supporting mutilation of the mules that carry the stuff to him (breast-implants, swallowed coke-canisters, etc. - many die each year from coke related injuries while doing the mule business), be supporting gangs, laundering of money, etc, etc, etc.

So please stop trolling and please stop bitching and moning about semantics. The OPs challenge, the topic, is dead. Get it? The OP is just a troll with limited understanding and limited knowledge. That's it. As the late Mr. Bill Hicks would say: "It's a piece of shit. Move on" *No, no, no, no if's, but's or what's, it's a piece of shit. That's all it is. A piece of shit. Now, move on!"

[ignoranto_bliss]

Doesn't matter. If you buy a kilo of coke you are supporting organized crime, drug cartells in Colombia and Ecuador that funds, for instance, the FARC communist guerilla that kidnaps and kills hundred if not thousands of people every year. You also support prostitution, human trafficing, sales of unlawful weapons, etc. etc. Either way, buying and posessing a kilo of coke is in no way something that a freeman-on-the-land would do. It is childish and it is stupid, regardless wheter the intent was to sell the coke or not. I'd say this thread is dead (like I said earlier). The OP is a troll who doesn't understand even the most basics of concepts. He's just clamoring to his poorly constructed and illogical paradigm of "Parliament is Sovereign because that's fact" B.S. and that's it. He canæt even for the sake of argument open his mind big enough to understand the law of the land:
1. Thou shall not harm anyone
2. Thou shall not steal or do damage to anothers property
3. Thou shall not commit fraud.

I mean, how hard can it be? I feel sorry for the poor fella. He seems well versed in legal affairs, yet seem totally incapable of understanding the bigger picture.

Just a response

Stop eating you are harming animals and plants.

And of course yes you are right Hada posted a childish challenge but it opened my eyes .

As romas said - glorification of power therefore knowledge - i am more right than you i know better .
You guys are wise nobody questions that at least i dont .

But why so fuss about a childish silly challenge ...

Or someone has something to lose maybe if exposed too much and too often ?

Why so fuss ... he is a nutter he is mad leave him alone ! And problem solved .
Love is the only habus corpus 600

[sofa king]

Sorry dear Sofa

We need to assume ... ?

emm

absolutely 100% correct. Not disagreeing. We shouldn't assume. But this is how drug laws (and many non-drig laws) are structured. They are based on an assumption of what you would do with the product. Thats the difference between getting charged for having a gram of cocaine on your person versus a kilo.

Having a joint is one thing, having a couple of garbage bags of marijuana is something completely different

[ignoranto_bliss]

And Somethinganonymus

With all kindness you dont know a single real thing neither about cartels nor about guerrilas ... may i assume .

I watched the youtube videos too . It is just a youtube video nothing more nothing less .

And i stand corrected if you were involved for real then yes .

[somethinganonymous]

I do not eat meat nor fish as I believe that to be against the Law. I do eat fruit and I do eat vegetables as I believe them to be our food and I belive the plants make these fruits and vegetables for us to eat, why else would there be seeds surrounded by food? So, there you have it. I wasn't allways a vegan though, I lived off meat and fish for 20-odd years, and I got the flu every year and I got the cold every year, but now, after changing my diet, I'm more healthy than ever.

[somethinganonymous]

And Somethinganonymus

With all kindness you dont know a single real thing neither about cartels nor about guerrilas ... may i assume .

I watched the youtube videos too . It is just a youtube video nothing more nothing less .

And i stand corrected if you were involved for real then yes .

You may assume. Yet I may share second hand knowledge with you. My best friend is from colombia, his name is Jose and according to him, the FARC gets their money from drugs (primarily coke) and weapons and prostitution. Now, I've never caught my friend lying to me, so I have no reason to doubt the information he shared with me. Oh, and btw. my friend, Jose, is not into the FMOTL stuff, he's a lawyer, would you believe that? :)

Further, the youtube videos youre talking about, I have no idea what youre on about... Ok? A youtube video is just a youtube video, I agree, but so what? What's the point youre trying to make? I do not know of these video(s) youre talking about. I thought we were discussing the topic, the OPs challenge...

[ignoranto_bliss]

I do not eat meat nor fish as I believe that to be against the Law. I do eat fruit and I do eat vegetables as I believe them to be our food and I belive the plants make these fruits and vegetables for us to eat, why else would there be seeds surrounded by food? So, there you have it. I wasn't allways a vegan though, I lived off meat and fish for 20-odd years, and I got the flu every year and I got the cold every year, but now, after changing my diet, I'm more healthy than ever.

What reason do you have to believe that plants are not alive and dont have emotions and feel pain and miss their kids ?

As my dear bro says ' why do we think wind is not alive ' maybe we do not and still can not to overstand such things .

And please im not offending you or trying to prove you be more wrong than i am . Im just asking .

[ignoranto_bliss]

You may assume. Yet I may share second hand knowledge with you. My best friend is from colombia, his name is Jose and according to him, the FARC gets their money from drugs (primarily coke) and weapons and prostitution. Now, I've never caught my friend lying to me, so I have no reason to doubt the information he shared with me. Oh, and btw. my friend, Jose, is not into the FMOTL stuff, he's a lawyer, would you believe that? :)

Further, the youtube videos youre talking about, I have no idea what youre on about... Ok? A youtube video is just a youtube video, I agree, but so what? What's the point youre trying to make? I do not know of these video(s) youre talking about. I thought we were discussing the topic, the OPs challenge...

I would trust my best friend too .

But others thant dont have Jose as a best friend cant claim you HAVE a kilo of cocke - you automatically RAPE LITTLE GIRLS . Cause they have no freaking idea but Jose has many friends so lets leave it .

Hada said get a kilo :) so maybe by abhra cadabra draghmic one ONE kilo BAMM :) . It was just a silly challenge .

[somethinganonymous]

I would trust my best friend too .

But others thant dont have Jose as a best friend cant claim you HAVE a kilo of cocke - you automatically RAPE LITTLE GIRLS . Cause they have no freaking idea but Jose has many friends so lets leave it .

Hada said get a kilo :) so maybe by abhra cadabra draghmic one ONE kilo BAMM :) . It was just a silly challenge .

I do not eat the plants, I eat the fruit of the plants. I do believe the wind is alive, as do I the water. If the OP could abra ca dabra ONE KG OF COKE, then I'd take him up on the challenge:)

[ignoranto_bliss]

I do not eat the plants, I eat the fruit of the plants. I do believe the wind is alive, as do I the water. If the OP could abra ca dabra ONE KG OF COKE, then I'd take him up on the challenge:)

You are a nutter you are mad ... when i marry i will to my wife ' look dear he is mad '

So fruits = babies of the plants are not alive :D

I can abra cadabra a kilo of chocke for you right now ... just have the cash :D

Babies of the alive plants are not alive :D :D

Sod it .

Im not posting it

[somethinganonymous]

You are a nutter you are mad ... when i marry i will to my wife ' look dear he is mad '

So fruits = babies of the plants are not alive :D

I can abra cadabra a kilo of chocke for you right now ... just have the cash :D

Babies of the alive plants are not alive :D :D

Sod it .

Im not posting it

You believe an apple is a baby of the appletree? LOL! You believe an orange is the baby of the orange tree? OMG! You've got to be kidding me. And you say I'm a nutter. LOL! Anyway, no I do not think the orange fruit feels any pain when I peel it and eat it. I do believe the orange tree would feel pain if I chopped it down. Anyway, youre just coming off as an argumentative twat.

Anyway, back on topic, the topic is dead. :)

EDIT: I just said the fruit contained the seeds of the tree, nothing about babies. Do you think your sperm is babies? Do you think your sperm feels pain when you ejaculate and leave the gooe on your stomach? If you do, I pity you my brother.

[shane]

shane wrote


Maybe he doesnt work or works cash in hand and maybe he hasnt had any fines.

He advocates taking a birth certificate into court and then walking out and asking them to take it from the birth certificate.
all of which proves he hasnt been in a court.

asky

Save the speculating, I know John Harris' situation inside out, he has spoken to me about it in the flesh and he has written a detailed article on tpuc.org

HMRC know he is self-employed and have been harrassing him on a regular basis, they have tried to get him into court, but he keeps responding with NCRTS. They have been writing to him for five years, threatening to prosecute him but they haven't been able to. Evidently they are powerless when they are met with NCRTS.

[number_6]

. Evidently they are powerless when they are met with NCRTS.

But it's early days at the moment, isn't it? A petition has been filed for bankruptcy, and I don't believe they have given up yet.

[shane]

But it's early days at the moment, isn't it? A petition has been filed for bankruptcy, and I don't believe they have given up yet.

Yes, I think they've actually made him bankrupt now, but he doesn't care, it means nothing to him. They haven't confiscated his physical wealth and there's really not much more they can do except hope and pray that the freeman movement doesn't catch on.

[ignoranto_bliss]

You believe an apple is a baby of the appletree? LOL! You believe an orange is the baby of the orange tree? OMG! You've got to be kidding me. And you say I'm a nutter. LOL! Anyway, no I do not think the orange fruit feels any pain when I peel it and eat it. I do believe the orange tree would feel pain if I chopped it down. Anyway, youre just coming off as an argumentative twat.

Anyway, back on topic, the topic is dead. :)

EDIT: I just said the fruit contained the seeds of the tree, nothing about babies. Do you think your sperm is babies? Do you think your sperm feels pain when you ejaculate and leave the gooe on your stomach? If you do, I pity you my brother.
:D its just a post about trees and babies just an useless post :D and me and you can believe whatever we want for me its useful for you its useless .
So its again someone believes habus corpus birth certificate gods code 2000 is useful very nice .

Dead topic indeed .

Thank you for a nice discussion.

[hadabusa]

the kilo is for selfusage(not like it would matter)

so, do fmotl think theyd walk free if caught with a kilo coke(or even weed)by using fmotl methods?

yes/no

[hadabusa]

the odds of a kilo being purely for personal consumption is very slim.

No, the OP didn't say it but we need to assume the drug will be resold based on the quantity alone.

Which is where the seriousness of the legal charges would come from.

lets also state the fact youre a mason.

[sofa king]

lets also state the fact youre a mason.

not denying that but what does it have to do with this discussion?

[hadabusa]

Doesn't matter. If you buy a kilo of coke you are supporting organized crime, drug cartells in Colombia and Ecuador that funds, for instance, the FARC communist guerilla that kidnaps and kills hundred if not thousands of people every year. You also support prostitution, human trafficing, sales of unlawful weapons, etc. etc. Either way, buying and posessing a kilo of coke is in no way something that a freeman-on-the-land would do. It is childish and it is stupid, regardless wheter the intent was to sell the coke or not. I'd say this thread is dead (like I said earlier). The OP is a troll who doesn't understand even the most basics of concepts. He's just clamoring to his poorly constructed and illogical paradigm of "Parliament is Sovereign because that's fact" B.S. and that's it. He canæt even for the sake of argument open his mind big enough to understand the law of the land:
1. Thou shall not harm anyone
2. Thou shall not steal or do damage to anothers property
3. Thou shall not commit fraud.

I mean, how hard can it be? I feel sorry for the poor fella. He seems well versed in legal affairs, yet seem totally incapable of understanding the bigger picture.

i never said govts sovereign, try looking it up.

i said law is enforced upon ppl by statutes or force.

btw, not all coke comes from farc.

iyou can exchange coke with weed in my question and try2answer again,if you want.

[hadabusa]

not denying that but what does it have to do with this discussion?

reminding ppl to read carefully when a mason makes statements(or assumptions,in your case).

wether large drug amount found on you are4sale or selfusage wasnt the point of the original question.nor would a judge really care.

question is, can fmotl methods get you out of the mess?

[hadabusa]

We don't need to assume he would be supporting scumfucks like communist guerillas, mujahedin terrorists, organized crime cartells that sells young girls into slavery, sale of weapons, be supporting mutilation of the mules that carry the stuff to him (breast-implants, swallowed coke-canisters, etc. - many die each year from coke related injuries while doing the mule business), be supporting gangs, laundering of money, etc, etc, etc.

So please stop trolling and please stop bitching and moning about semantics. The OPs challenge, the topic, is dead. Get it? The OP is just a troll with limited understanding and limited knowledge. That's it. As the late Mr. Bill Hicks would say: "It's a piece of shit. Move on" *No, no, no, no if's, but's or what's, it's a piece of shit. That's all it is. A piece of shit. Now, move on!"

i never claimed im all knowing or infallible.

i understand what fmotl methods are supposed for,i just dont see them working.

i couldnt find a fckn single video of a success, therefore, you are the troll as of now.

answer question or post video of succes with proper documentation or stfu.

ps, its not up to you2speak for others wether threads dead or not

[ignoranto_bliss]

As for Rob Menard and its only my opinion only what i think .

I dont know Rob in person and i thank him in advance for dismissing my post with a smile if he reads.

After watching all his videos all 7 :D thats what i make of it .
And for the record watching his videos has opened my eyes beyond belief and pointed out things that i wouldnt know existing in billion years im very thankful for that make no mistake .

He is wise


Gooroo


Scammer


And probably maybe just what i think has a mind of what psychologists call..

Arghh i have it on my tongue but cant remember the word ... but its a flower :D

Again my apologies not trying to offend.

Thank you

[cstewart1987]

What reason do you have to believe that plants are not alive and dont have emotions and feel pain and miss their kids ?

As my dear bro says ' why do we think wind is not alive ' maybe we do not and still can not to overstand such things .

And please im not offending you or trying to prove you be more wrong than i am . Im just asking .

LOl,, quite a stupid argument, that is, your saying hes bad and rationalizing your eating of dead things.

Freudian apathy, ey

[hadabusa]

I think this thread was finished by post 6.........

To conclude...RE the OP.....No-one claiming to be a free man would attempt in any way to knowingly harm another. This extends to selling class A's. All the op has done, despite his claims of relevance to the subject has, perhaps without even his own conscious knowledge, ensured that the challenge can't be taken up by making the challenge against the very principles he claims to be showing no-one could uphold.

This is a false premise.

No challenge based on a false premise will be undertaken by anyone anywhere because it is over before it has begun. All the OP has shown is that they actually do not understand even the most basic concepts that are being proposed.......

I believe that a free man would respond like so........

Dear OP,

I would like to conditionally accept your offer of a challenge but have not the abilility to obtain 1 kilo of cocaine and would prefer not to sell something considered so harmful by so many. I would be happy as per one of your posts to replace the cocaine with some "can't think let alone move shit".....aka Cannabis.....

I will accept your challenge with the following 2 conditions;

1. Could you please enclose a cheque or monies to the value of £6428.57 to cover the cost of such a purchase?

2. Could you please also send me some 10 and 20 bags so that I may fulfill your request?

Failing this I trust you will refrain from continuing to ask for this challenge to be taken as I believe it to be an illogical and fallacious one that is designed from the beginning to be impossible to fulfill without actually compromising the values of one who would seek to prove you wrong.


Please note, I have accepted your challenge, please respond with 10 days of this post with the conditions I have specified.

Failing this I will assume that the challenge is no longer open and the thread has been discontinued....

Yours sincerely, without ill-will, vexation or frivolity,

me

it was rethorically asked ffs.

yes,i can provide the money.

can you pay it back after drugs were confiscated?


if not, lets do a REAL challenge.

ill provide you money to get,say, 200grams weed(shouldnt get you locked up4long if fmotl fails), im in switzerland, id travel2you, dead serious.

we will have to agree on amount&drug used, to spare money (me)and jailtime(you).
obviously, i wont deliver 1kg coke or big amount weed2where youre at,bc thatd be fkcn stupid.

i want acces2all prosecution documentation and copyright to post it whereever i please(ill remove your personal info).

fair enough?

[ignoranto_bliss]

LOl,, quite a stupid argument, that is, your saying hes bad and rationalizing your eating of dead things.

Freudian apathy, ey

Sorry made no sense to me .

Maybe wait a little after smoking before posting :D it happens to me too :)

[hadabusa]

Lmao. Owned

thx4useless contribution, but theres news,fyi.

last laugh has yet2be made(german saying)

[cstewart1987]

Sorry made no sense to me .

Maybe wait a little after smoking before posting :D it happens to me too :)

Lol im knackered,, i just agree with him and I personally feel really bad about me eating animals, and hate to see or read about people rationalizing the murder of animals to feed themselves when its not the food we should be eating, makes sense in my head..

[ignoranto_bliss]

thx4useless contribution, but theres news,fyi.

last laugh has yet2be made(german saying)

Yes that all wise and laughable post the guy with monkey avatar posted was impressive but yet he failed to even read OP and made up the distribution of cocke thing . I couldnt believe he would make that mistake .

[ignoranto_bliss]

Lol im knackered,, i just agree with him and I personally feel really bad about me eating animals, and hate to see or read about people rationalizing the murder of animals to feed themselves when its not the food we should be eating, makes sense in my head..

But please maybe just think before calling argument of someone to be stupid just because he doesnt feel how you feel . I think we would have more fun and nice time posting here why fight .

[hadabusa]

Yes that all wise and laughable post the guy with monkey avatar posted was impressive but yet he failed to even read OP and made up the distribution of cocke thing . I couldnt believe he would make that mistake .

nono, 1s a monkeyavatar guy,1s a mason deliberatelly derailing matters.

masons are smart minds usually, thats why i said deliberatelly;)

one could argue if a mason stands up4something, it must be BS, but im not into assumptions:)

as4the monkeyavatar guy, i find it dumb2have gf in avatar:cool:

[cstewart1987]

But please maybe just think before calling argument of someone to be stupid just because he doesnt feel how you feel . I think we would have more fun and nice time posting here why fight .

I still find it stupid to defend something thats wrong, kinda like blind faith, in your food, i think

Gerry Brunettis video, is fucking amazing and very factual about what we are.

its Called, food as medicine, and is on googlevideo i think, whatced it years ago but it may be gone..

[cstewart1987]

You believe an apple is a baby of the appletree? LOL! You believe an orange is the baby of the orange tree? OMG! You've got to be kidding me. And you say I'm a nutter. LOL! Anyway, no I do not think the orange fruit feels any pain when I peel it and eat it. I do believe the orange tree would feel pain if I chopped it down. Anyway, youre just coming off as an argumentative twat.

Anyway, back on topic, the topic is dead. :)

EDIT: I just said the fruit contained the seeds of the tree, nothing about babies. Do you think your sperm is babies? Do you think your sperm feels pain when you ejaculate and leave the gooe on your stomach? If you do, I pity you my brother.

ur a fliping weirdo, what age are you.. interesting, but fucking weird.

[ignoranto_bliss]

I still find it stupid to defend something thats wrong, kinda like blind faith, in your food, i think

Gerry Brunettis video, is fucking amazing and very factual about what we are.

its Called, food as medicine, and is on googlevideo i think, whatced it years ago but it may be gone..

Eating is very wrong i agree .

[ignoranto_bliss]

ur a fliping weirdo, what age are you.. interesting, but fucking weird.

Why orange tree would feel the pain and the orange wouldnt ? I guess nobody knows and we will never know . Just my guess .

So i believe you believe we believe is dead topic . your believe doesnt make my believe wrong or right or im missing something .

And have you people ever fought a real fistfight in real life and would you want to repeat it every like 15 minutes in real life ? :D

But its a forum i know :D

[cstewart1987]

Eating is very wrong i agree .

Ritual slaughter of animals and widespread disease is not right, dont be a foo, this is no fight, ardoyne is a fucked up place probably one of the toughest towns in the world, plenty of fags about too tho.#

the bible?/ says all the fruits and seeds for us and everything green for the animals..

[ignoranto_bliss]

Ritual slaughter of animals and widespread disease is not right, dont be a foo, this is no fight, ardoyne is a fucked up place probably one of the toughest towns in the world, plenty of fags about too tho.#

the bible?/ says all the fruits and seeds for us and everything green for the animals..

Agreed this is no fight .

ANd i believe that i dont believe i should follow or even read the bible or even know what it is .

And im hungry im gonna eat something ... isuggest myself a half kilo of appleseeds will do it :D .

[ignoranto_bliss]

And my apologies Hadabusa for derailing your thread with off topic posts i only now realized the topic is ' if FMOTL works party with the cops with kilo of cocke ' or something like that :D

[oneup]

why doesnt one who believes in it get a kilo cocaine and then call the cops.
once they arrive, tell them the no consent thing.

and tell them youre not that person .


then see how unalienable your rights are.


oh,and make sure2post the successtory,id consider it big.


:rolleyes:

No consent? Suspicion of drug possession is enough for a search warrant, and you won't have the change to say you're not that person because by that time they have already knocked down your door and got you handcuffed in the back of a police car. Good luck saying all your rights, even if you're right, they won't listen to it, and the judge won't either.

I once got dragged out of a bus by police, simply because I was sitting next to a person that was causing trouble (I didn't even know him).
They first asked me to come with them, but once I said no, well I didn't even say no I just asked them why, I was apparently 'resisting arrest' and the next moment I was being handcuffed and dragged out of the bus, locked away for several hours, interrogated and finally released with no charges. Not even a mumbled apology, for dragging me out of a bus and locking me up for hours, all for being totally innocent.
They even pulled my hair and twisted my wrists in the handcuffs, even after I was not resisting anymore. and when I confronted the cops at the police station all they said, with a rather sadistic tone, was 'oh the bruises will be gone in a week or so'.

Now the point of that story is that even though I know they have broken some laws, the arrest was not justified and not according to procedure, there was nothing the lawyer could do. No proof, the cops are under oath so they can say anything they want, bla bla. There is no justice, we live in a police state and the police are above the same laws they supposedly enforce. FMOTL works in theory only, in reality they've got it all covered.

[dharmic one]

it was rethorically asked ffs.

yes,i can provide the money. (you can, but will you?)

can you pay it back after drugs were confiscated? (that wasn't part of the original challenge...)

if not, lets do a REAL challenge. (now you're just changing the challenge completely...)

ill provide you money to get,say, 200grams weed(shouldnt get you locked up4long if fmotl fails), im in switzerland, id travel2you, dead serious.

we will have to agree on amount&drug used, to spare money (me)and jailtime(you).
obviously, i wont deliver 1kg coke or big amount weed2where youre at,bc thatd be fkcn stupid. ( i agree, renderin the whole thread stupid....as was said a few posts ago..)

i want acces2all prosecution documentation and copyright to post it whereever i please(ill remove your personal info).

fair enough? (no, you changed all the terms from the original)

This is not acceptance of my conditions...Is this an indication that you would like to negotiate the conditions of the challenge? Seems like you're just ranting to me....in fact I think the whole thread is just a rant against people who would choose simply to live a different way to you or what you have been led to believe is "normal". That is all this is really about......

Yes that all wise and laughable post the guy with monkey avatar posted was impressive

Why don't you quote something of substance that I have said, then deconstruct my argument to prove it inaccurate?

Rather than making only general comments regarding what I haven't read.....if I had not read it how could I respond? I would not, in any court in this country be charged simply with possession of 1 kilo of anything. They would instantly charge me with the most serious contravention of the statute which would be posession with intent to supply.

I would find it miraculous to successfully argue that 1k was for my own consumption. Funny that you find something rational and logical to be laughable yet do not have the balls to state what and why or even to me in particular.....i accepted the challenge conditionally. The OP is free to refuse my offer as is his prerogative......It was an offer...that's all....

After all...he could have just said "thanks, but I (for whatever reason - maybe even no reason) but I respectfully decline your offer".

But no, that would not be true to the threads where ignorance and insult prevail instead of respectful debate. Anyone with a modicum of alertness can see that there is a huge difference between my argument and yours and the OP's. One is personal, the other logical. One is based in rhetoric so can have no bearing on truth - the other a natural attempt to get to the truth.

It is understandable in an age of doublethink that the OP can genuinely believe he seeks the truth while only actually obfuscating it.


as4the monkeyavatar guy, i find it dumb2have gf in avatar:cool:

See this is what the OP is really about......mockery and childish insults....again, what did I say that was laughable or conveyed a mis-understanding of the OP? I merely thought that if I was lucky enough to have you accept my offer (much like the negotiation of a formal contract - the next stage I would have offered...) then I would make full use of it before I called the cozzers!!! I could even provide them with photographs of my deeds!!

At least have the balls to respond to the particulars......maybe even to take up the challenge yourself? If anything just to prove to everyone that it does not work!! - no more ridiculous than the challenge you have proposed!!!

The whole basis of being a freeman is that of membership to one's society of their choosing. Simple. why would I have my own society yet call policy enforcers of another completely unrelated society to imprison me?

I am amazed that a challenge that is nuts is used as a basis to mock others who debate logically against a self-confessed rhetorical challenge!!

Sadly I fear that if the OP understood the meaning of the word rhetorical he would begin another thread entitled REAL challenge.

This is like watching monkeys at the zoo...you are constantly amazed simultaneously by their ingenious level of understanding and their complete lack of humanity....

I think this thread was finished by post 6.........

To conclude...RE the OP.....No-one claiming to be a free man would attempt in any way to knowingly harm another. This extends to selling class A's. All the op has done, despite his claims of relevance to the subject has, perhaps without even his own conscious knowledge, ensured that the challenge can't be taken up by making the challenge against the very principles he claims to be showing no-one could uphold.

This is a false premise.

No challenge based on a false premise will be undertaken by anyone anywhere because it is over before it has begun. All the OP has shown is that they actually do not understand even the most basic concepts that are being proposed......

This is the true crux of the matter and while the OP insists that intent to supply would not be a factor they fail to grasp the inherent fallacy of the challenge. I merely favoured actually doing what I would be charged with and only paying the op back what he had given me and keep the difference!!! what's wrong with my offer?

See they with nothing of any real substance left after their insult vocabulary has run dry like to refer to the whole of your post and reply with some random and superficial snide remark but will not engage in the actual act of debating the points.

All they seem to be able to do is throw names and insults around like schoolkids and sit back, brimming with glee at their own seemingly immense intelligence which in truth is merely a superficial and immature MO, nothing more......

To me, being a freeman is just as much about treating people with the kindness and respect they deserve rather than just attempting to insult them for no other reason than because I don't like what they say....I think the letters I write containing such language meet with understanding ears as I treat anyone who would seek to control me or force me to perform a certain act as a human being.

I propose that this thread is merely a carrier for vitriol against the movement as those who challenge the OP are merely ridiculed instead of engaged, abused instead of debated and dismissed with random insults when disliked instead of peacefully engaged.......

It seems I hit a nerve, You two are almost as insulting as the idiots who call from barclays........but only if i decide you are...

I instead view your logic as that of a well looked after ward of the state.....

Dharmic_gone

Where does OP states he is distributing or going to distribute a kilo of class A drug ? Just a question ...

He doesn't. It was an offer. He can accept or reject......incidentally, no-one who would not be party to the contract can even have a valid opinion of it......why don't you make an offer and negotiate it with him............unless you want to enter into the contract.....do you have anything in the way of consideration to offer in the matter? Is the OP happy with this.......??...oh, actually someone else said it....

the odds of a kilo being purely for personal consumption is very slim.

No, the OP didn't say it but we need to assume the drug will be resold based on the quantity alone.

Which is where the seriousness of the legal charges would come from.

........... you guys are so funny!

Peace and love to you all.......

[hadabusa]

No consent? Suspicion of drug possession is enough for a search warrant, and you won't have the change to say you're not that person because by that time they have already knocked down your door and got you handcuffed in the back of a police car. Good luck saying all your rights, even if you're right, they won't listen to it, and the judge won't either.

I once got dragged out of a bus by police, simply because I was sitting next to a person that was causing trouble (I didn't even know him).
They first asked me to come with them, but once I said no, well I didn't even say no I just asked them why, I was apparently 'resisting arrest' and the next moment I was being handcuffed and dragged out of the bus, locked away for several hours, interrogated and finally released with no charges. Not even a mumbled apology, for dragging me out of a bus and locking me up for hours, all for being totally innocent.
They even pulled my hair and twisted my wrists in the handcuffs, even after I was not resisting anymore. and when I confronted the cops at the police station all they said, with a rather sadistic tone, was 'oh the bruises will be gone in a week or so'.

Now the point of that story is that even though I know they have broken some laws, the arrest was not justified and not according to procedure, there was nothing the lawyer could do. No proof, the cops are under oath so they can say anything they want, bla bla. There is no justice, we live in a police state and the police are above the same laws they supposedly enforce. FMOTL works in theory only, in reality they've got it all covered.

very well said,man.

fmotl wouldnt be neccesary if fmotl lived by their "dogmas"

itsa ridicolous argumentation used by them here, scared2answer simple questions, bc they,deep inside know fmotl is bs with NO successtory thats been recorded.

lol, a good lawyer will get you out of problems better,no doubt.

[cstewart1987]

very well said,man.

Fmotl wouldnt be neccesary if fmotl lived by their "dogmas"

itsa ridicolous argumentation used by them here, scared2answer simple questions, bc they,deep inside know fmotl is bs with no successtory thats been recorded.

lol, a good lawyer will get you out of problems better,no doubt.

hahahaha

[dharmic one]

fmotl wouldnt be neccesary if fmotl lived by their "dogmas"



I can't discern what this means....could you elaborate??

itsa ridicolous argumentation used by them here, scared2answer simple questions, bc they,deep inside know fmotl is bs with NO successtory thats been recorded.



No recorded success = absolute proof that nothing proposed on here "works".

answers received but not liked or agreed with = no answers at all

No answers at all + absolute proof that nothing proposed on here "works"

= BS


Would this be a correct summation of your view here?

[somethinganonymous]

i never said govts sovereign, try looking it up.

i said law is enforced upon ppl by statutes or force.

btw, not all coke comes from farc.

iyou can exchange coke with weed in my question and try2answer again,if you want.

Yes, I know I made a mistake hadabusa, I thought someone else (ain't gonna say who.) was the OP. My bad.

[hadabusa]

I can't discern what this means....could you elaborate??



No recorded success = absolute proof that nothing proposed on here "works".

answers received but not liked or agreed with = no answers at all

No answers at all + absolute proof that nothing proposed on here "works"

= BS


Would this be a correct summation of your view here?
no,but i prefer the motto "ill believe it,when i see it"

the first quote means,if fmotl would live by common law rules(i called it dogmas4fun,sry),then thered be no need4a fmotl movement in the1st place, as they wouldnt break statutes anyway.

ill adress rest later,this thread gets me headaches every other post


:):)

[hadabusa]

Yes, I know I made a mistake hadabusa, I thought someone else (ain't gonna say who.) was the OP. My bad.

np, but such statements discredit my pov, simply bc ppl didnt bother reading the discussion, but rather randomly jump in when they see it fit.:)

this wasnt a real life challenge2begin with,i posted an extreme case2make my point clear.

no hard feelings,i excepted even worse:eek:

however,dharmic,my offer stands,ill respond2you asap.

im NOT ranting2you by any means, yes id negociate terms,to spare us both shitloads of problems.
i wasnt offering money4rethoricall challenge2begin with,im ready2do so under non ridicolous terms now,tough.

btw, the gf thing was4that guy who posted an immature1liner,not you.
you gotta giveme it was good4a chuckle,tough:D

[ignoranto_bliss]

hahahaha

You boy or lady are :D the best of the best i cant live with someone perfect so i decided to move out from your flat .


Nothing to see here

[ignoranto_bliss]

(no, you changed all the terms from the original)

This is not acceptance of my conditions...Is this an indication that you would like to negotiate the conditions of the challenge? Seems like you're just ranting to me....in fact I think the whole thread is just a rant against people who would choose simply to live a different way to you or what you have been led to believe is "normal". That is all this is really about......



Why don't you quote something of substance that I have said, then deconstruct my argument to prove it inaccurate?

Rather than making only general comments regarding what I haven't read.....if I had not read it how could I respond? I would not, in any court in this country be charged simply with possession of 1 kilo of anything. They would instantly charge me with the most serious contravention of the statute which would be posession with intent to supply.

I would find it miraculous to successfully argue that 1k was for my own consumption. Funny that you find something rational and logical to be laughable yet do not have the balls to state what and why or even to me in particular.....i accepted the challenge conditionally. The OP is free to refuse my offer as is his prerogative......It was an offer...that's all....

After all...he could have just said "thanks, but I (for whatever reason - maybe even no reason) but I respectfully decline your offer".

But no, that would not be true to the threads where ignorance and insult prevail instead of respectful debate. Anyone with a modicum of alertness can see that there is a huge difference between my argument and yours and the OP's. One is personal, the other logical. One is based in rhetoric so can have no bearing on truth - the other a natural attempt to get to the truth.

It is understandable in an age of doublethink that the OP can genuinely believe he seeks the truth while only actually obfuscating it.




See this is what the OP is really about......mockery and childish insults....again, what did I say that was laughable or conveyed a mis-understanding of the OP? I merely thought that if I was lucky enough to have you accept my offer (much like the negotiation of a formal contract - the next stage I would have offered...) then I would make full use of it before I called the cozzers!!! I could even provide them with photographs of my deeds!!

At least have the balls to respond to the particulars......maybe even to take up the challenge yourself? If anything just to prove to everyone that it does not work!! - no more ridiculous than the challenge you have proposed!!!

The whole basis of being a freeman is that of membership to one's society of their choosing. Simple. why would I have my own society yet call policy enforcers of another completely unrelated society to imprison me?

I am amazed that a challenge that is nuts is used as a basis to mock others who debate logically against a self-confessed rhetorical challenge!!

Sadly I fear that if the OP understood the meaning of the word rhetorical he would begin another thread entitled REAL challenge.

This is like watching monkeys at the zoo...you are constantly amazed simultaneously by their ingenious level of understanding and their complete lack of humanity....



This is the true crux of the matter and while the OP insists that intent to supply would not be a factor they fail to grasp the inherent fallacy of the challenge. I merely favoured actually doing what I would be charged with and only paying the op back what he had given me and keep the difference!!! what's wrong with my offer?

See they with nothing of any real substance left after their insult vocabulary has run dry like to refer to the whole of your post and reply with some random and superficial snide remark but will not engage in the actual act of debating the points.

All they seem to be able to do is throw names and insults around like schoolkids and sit back, brimming with glee at their own seemingly immense intelligence which in truth is merely a superficial and immature MO, nothing more......

To me, being a freeman is just as much about treating people with the kindness and respect they deserve rather than just attempting to insult them for no other reason than because I don't like what they say....I think the letters I write containing such language meet with understanding ears as I treat anyone who would seek to control me or force me to perform a certain act as a human being.

I propose that this thread is merely a carrier for vitriol against the movement as those who challenge the OP are merely ridiculed instead of engaged, abused instead of debated and dismissed with random insults when disliked instead of peacefully engaged.......

It seems I hit a nerve, You two are almost as insulting as the idiots who call from barclays........but only if i decide you are...

I instead view your logic as that of a well looked after ward of the state.....



He doesn't. It was an offer. He can accept or reject......incidentally, no-one who would not be party to the contract can even have a valid opinion of it......why don't you make an offer and negotiate it with him............unless you want to enter into the contract.....do you have anything in the way of consideration to offer in the matter? Is the OP happy with this.......??...oh, actually someone else said it....



........... you guys are so funny!

Peace and love to you all.......

At least you have sense of humor .

And you dont have to waste your keyboard to post your stylish posts replaying to me . I already know that you know your stuff no doubt about it and English me know just a little bit so :D

I think my only point posting on this thread boils down to this .

All this your wise garbage is easily stopped by one kick in the head by Serbian police boy or Russian OMON boy . End of story .
And if you would continue this and get them pissed off they would torture you untill you beg them to kill you but they wouldnt . They would torture you untill you would plead guilty on setting up store on fire where 25 people died .

But sod that one kick would shut you up .

But you would walk free from traffic violations YES :)


PS. Sod that you are not in Serbia or in Russia there you wouldnt even attempt to start fmotl stuff . So the post is just for thought .

[cstewart1987]

FMOTL only applies to commonwealth coutries and any countrie that has a written signed dated legal smegal formality that means its dependant on the workers, to get that you have to threaten to revoult, or kill the king and take over the land./

[ignoranto_bliss]

FMOTL only applies to commonwealth coutries and any countrie that has a written signed dated legal smegal formality that means its dependant on the workers, to get that you have to threaten to revoult, or kill the king and take over the land./

Yes yes thats why my example with Serbia Russia is irrelevant . But my point was one kick in the face would shut you up and another 25 would make you plead guilty and sign alot of interesting stuff .

And i stand corrected if you are plastic man or the bible says that you would handle it because second coming and stuff :)

Oh sod it i forgot i am leaving your studio flat :D but ok just one more :)

[cstewart1987]

Yes yes thats why my example with Serbia Russia is irrelevant . But my point was one kick in the face would shut you up and another 25 would make you plead guilty and sign alot of interesting stuff .

And i stand corrected if you are plastic man or the bible says that you would handle it because second coming and stuff :)

Oh sod it i forgot i am leaving your studio flat :D but ok just one more :)

Lol, it wasnt irrelevant, i think the problems in those countries can be settled and ONLY be settled by us in these countries, i don't know perhaps there's something mistical about the Hibernians, all things malarkey i dont know, i mean you right, when in a sticky situation with the policia you will certinally say anything to save you ass, thsi have been proven and jsut as water-boarding is tortue, so is not knowing WHO you ARE or what you are, it will make all men do crazy things, becuase they are confuzed.

Im confused about you last two sentences, 'plastic man' 'studio flat' ' one more'

good commentary anyway buddy nothing negative was taken from it, i do hope the REAL power and thats US start wiseing up soon, then we can sort out the manipulation of the world in 1st seciond and thrid world economics..

[ignoranto_bliss]

Lol, it wasnt irrelevant, i think the problems in those countries can be settled and ONLY be settled by us in these countries, i don't know perhaps there's something mistical about the Hibernians, all things malarkey i dont know, i mean you right, when in a sticky situation with the policia you will certinally say anything to save you ass, thsi have been proven and jsut as water-boarding is tortue, so is not knowing WHO you ARE or what you are, it will make all men do crazy things, becuase they are confuzed.

Im confused about you last two sentences, 'plastic man' 'studio flat' ' one more'

good commentary anyway buddy nothing negative was taken from it, i do hope the REAL power and thats US start wiseing up soon, then we can sort out the manipulation of the world in 1st seciond and thrid world economics..

Yes i only wish you luck sorting out .

[ignoranto_bliss]

Though please Cstewart dont be involved in sorting out cause :D leave it for the adults as you would say .

[cstewart1987]

Though please Cstewart dont be involved in sorting out cause :D leave it for the adults as you would say .

Your grasp of english is child-like at best, thats probably why ive been so confused with you BS - belief system, what do you expect to accomplish with derogatory remarks about Sorting this Out lolol, what a pessimistic little shite you must be, none of it being funny or harmless.

[ignoranto_bliss]

Your grasp of english is child-like at best, thats probably why ive been so confused with you BS - belief system, what do you expect to accomplish with derogatory remarks about Sorting this Out lolol, what a pessimistic little shite you must be, none of it being funny or harmless.

LOL :DD ok ok dead case already .
forget it
Lets stop off topic on our brilliant freeman subforum thread .

[cstewart1987]

LOL :DD ok ok dead case already .

:p maith go leor , ar shuil leat callain beag.

[hadabusa]

FMOTL only applies to commonwealth coutries and any countrie that has a written signed dated legal smegal formality that means its dependant on the workers, to get that you have to threaten to revoult, or kill the king and take over the land./

now,this is a good contribution,thx man.

but england is now under civl coded eu law, right?

[rosix]

if fmotl doesn't work,
then why are there half a dozen dedicated deniers in this sub-forum?

the trifecta of societal robot logic right there

[take it easy]

the way i understand it, when you declare you are a Freeman you are saying i am responsible for myself and will act in a responsible way in the community, and will adhere to the laws that the community adheres too - its all a bit of a swindle, because you are still bound to the laws and if you start breaking them you no longer remain responsible and therefore lose your status

[karl j]

the way i understand it, when you declare you are a Freeman you are saying i am responsible for myself and will act in a responsible way in the community, and will adhere to the laws that the community adheres too - its all a bit of a swindle, because you are still bound to the laws and if you start breaking them you no longer remain responsible and therefore lose your status

Breaking community Common Laws, not Statutes

[dharmic one]

no,but i prefer the motto "ill believe it,when i see it"

This view, while perfectly acceptable to anyone IMO, is very different to declaring there is no evidence and no success....as you and many others continue to misapply or misunderstand your own points of view, confusing not having seen any evidence or proof with the absolute idea that there is none.


the first quote means,if fmotl would live by common law rules(i called it dogmas4fun,sry),then thered be no need4a fmotl movement in the1st place, as they wouldnt break statutes anyway.


Do you not agree that it is the thousands of statutes made by parliament ( the executive and parliament are the same thing...there is no real separation of powers in the uk...) are what freeman are being held accountable to - not common law? ie corporate law...this is what they have a problem with along with their disproportionate application......( if you can afford to get around them then you can...)

so i reckon we could do with keepin it simple.......

1. no recorded success is not equal to no success at all

2.answers received but not liked or agreed with is not equivalent to no answers at all

3.Threats of potential violence do not equal civil society so none who use them unlawfully can claim adherence to or to be upholding any law. (this includes ignoranto's barely decipherable assurances that "this wouldn't work in russia" etc - this is nothing more than a sheep attempting to keep the other sheep in line "don't go over there!!! the dog'll get ya!!!")

do you agree??



At least you have sense of humor .

You have to on here.....

[QUOTE=ignoranto_bliss;1058526725]I think my only point posting on this thread boils down to this .

All this your wise garbage is easily stopped by one kick in the head by Serbian police boy or Russian OMON boy . End of story


PS. Sod that you are not in Serbia or in Russia there you wouldnt even attempt to start fmotl stuff . So the post is just for thought .

Yes yes thats why my example with Serbia Russia is irrelevant . But my point was one kick in the face would shut you up and another 25 would make you plead guilty and sign alot of interesting stuff .


Enough said I think...

[dharmic one]

if fmotl doesn't work,
then why are there half a dozen dedicated deniers in this sub-forum?

the trifecta of societal robot logic right there

I believe that any kind of revolution begins with the minority of the disaffected in society attempting to convince the rest of the society that the status quo only remains so because we let it.....

99% of those that listen exclaim "it's impossible - I don't believe it so by proxy no-one else should either"

But 6 billion people can claim something and it doesn't make it true. the only thing that constitutes truth is experience.

Those that have experienced it as truth will defend it to the death, those that have not may always, because it hasn't yet become their truth, defend their own view until convinced otherwise. Revolution doesn't become real until the minority become strong enough to affect real change on high.....

but it's coming..........

[hadabusa]

I believe that any kind of revolution begins with the minority of the disaffected in society attempting to convince the rest of the society that the status quo only remains so because we let it.....

99% of those that listen exclaim "it's impossible - I don't believe it so by proxy no-one else should either"

But 6 billion people can claim something and it doesn't make it true. the only thing that constitutes truth is experience.

Those that have experienced it as truth will defend it to the death, those that have not may always, because it hasn't yet become their truth, defend their own view until convinced otherwise. Revolution doesn't become real until the minority become strong enough to affect real change on high.....

but it's coming..........

law is enforced,not claimed.
revolution ?lol

[sofa king]

nono, 1s a monkeyavatar guy,1s a mason deliberatelly derailing matters.

masons are smart minds usually, thats why i said deliberatelly;)

one could argue if a mason stands up4something, it must be BS, but im not into assumptions:)

as4the monkeyavatar guy, i find it dumb2have gf in avatar:cool:

I'm not derailing nor even attempting to derail the thread hadabusa.

My point is that a full kilo of coke would be treated by the courts as an amount akin to those amounts used for trafficking and would be treated as such. The Freeman defense would be an uphill battle versus the Freeman having a gram or 2.

It doesn't matter if the Freeman bought a kilo so they could have a very long supply without having to buy more for a long time. IMO, the courts would only allow a Freeman defense of drug possession up to a certain amount.

[cstewart1987]

I'm not derailing nor even attempting to derail the thread hadabusa.

My point is that a full kilo of coke would be treated by the courts as an amount akin to those amounts used for trafficking and would be treated as such. The Freeman defense would be an uphill battle versus the Freeman having a gram or 2.

It doesn't matter if the Freeman bought a kilo so they could have a very long supply without having to buy more for a long time. IMO, the courts would only allow a Freeman defense of drug possession up to a certain amount.

The Aaron Russo docu comes to mind, all the rich folk and there drug rooms.

[shane]

but england is now under civl coded eu law, right?

Wrong. For god's sake man, Elizabeth I would have cut your head off just for talking such wank.

[john white]

now,this is a good contribution,thx man.

but england is now under civl coded eu law, right?

England is under EU corpus juris, UK statute law and Common Law: at the moment

The EU want us all under corpus juris and no doubt there will be test cases in the weeks and months ahead

But for any nay-sayers who wish to claim the Bill of Rights is irrelevant: clear proof that it is not

MPs facing police over expenses look to ancient Bill of Rights for protection

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/6927404/Expenses-Morley-privilege.html

LOL the silly sods will try to keep it from us and then use it for themselves... shame the daft buggers don't know they waived their privilege when they agreed to accept delayed re-payments when Sir Thomas Legg started his enquiry

They contracted!

ROFL

[cstewart1987]

England is under EU corpus juris, UK statute law and Common Law: at the moment

The EU want us all under corpus juris and no doubt there will be test cases in the weeks and months ahead

But for any nay-sayers who wish to claim the Bill of Rights is irrelevant: clear proof that it is not

MPs facing police over expenses look to ancient Bill of Rights for protection

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/6927404/Expenses-Morley-privilege.html

LOL the silly sods will try to keep it from us and then use it for themselves... shame the daft buggers don't know they waived their privilege when they agreed to accept delayed re-payments when Sir Thomas Legg started his enquiry

They contracted!

ROFL


GREAT FIND BROTHER.

Another good revelation in how the system actually works, don't be AFRAID OF THEM this is the key to success.

[yozhik]

Are you sure of who the Bill of Rights was written for?

[hadabusa]

Are you sure of who the Bill of Rights was written for?

probably same as MC:confused:

shane, i was asking,man.
you sure its like that after lisbon treaty?:confused:

[hadabusa]

Are you sure of who the Bill of Rights was written for?

http://davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058463472&postcount=1

:confused::confused:

opinions,plz:)

[david merrill]

I think you all have gone off the deep end with cocaine as the example.

Look at this video clip:

http://worldfreemansociety.org/tiki-index.php?page_ref_id=938&bl=n

In the first part, Rob encourages people to forge a title for themselves; Teller for the Bank of Canada. We just sit back and watch for success or prosecution. Whichever evidence comes forth first.


Regards,

David Merrill.

[rob menard]

Engaging in an action after claiming the right to do so is neither fraud nor forgery and does in fact establish colour of right as a very strong legal defense against such specious and frivolous charges.

Why do you fear the whole truth? Why do you focus so much on half truths and out right lies? I never suggested anyone engage in fraud or forgery. You are saying that the thing I suggest appears to you to be fraud or forgery, and that is because your vision is clouded by your animosity fo rme.

I am suggesting they claim the right to engage in an action prior to doing so, and you are leaving that part out, and it is that part that takes what would be forgery and turns it into a completely lawful activity.

Keep it up. I may decide to do another rant.

Did your little vacation from here not teach you anything?
Robert-Arthur Of the Menard Family

PS_ Pay attention to how I spell my name, David Merrill Van Pelt. It is proof that much of what you have been saying in the past is faulty, wrong, incorrect, misguided, and completely false.

PPS- who is this 'we' to which you referred? You and another? Or just you and you are using it as a Royal prerogative?

[hadabusa]

lol, dmerryl, you didnt last long after coming back from on warning status.

i consider your ban a loss, youre very knowledgeable.



rob, i know, you never suggested any1 should get into fraud etc.

but, to get back at op, what if?


peace

[shane]

shane, i was asking,man.
you sure its like that after lisbon treaty?:confused:

Yeah I know, my rant wasn't entirely serious.

But seriously, It is most important that people in the UK do not fall into the trap of believing that we are now locked into the EU because the Lisbon Treaty has been signed. It is unlawful, was signed by Gordon Brown with no mandate from the British Public and therefore it is irrelevant, and we should pay no heed to it.