Do Indians come from Africa like Synergy777 says?

[anoninnyc]

http://www.ethiopianrestaurant.com/marcus_samuelsson.html

the guy's bio is here

http://www.starchefs.com/chefs/MSamuelsson/html/bio.shtml

as you can see he is ethiopian adopted by swedes, thus his name

what startles me is that this ethiopian african looks exactly like a south indian man. when i saw him on tv on some cooking show i thought he was indian, maybe from kerala or somewhere in the south of india. sorry i am bad w computers and don't know how to paste his picture here but the first link i gave has pictures of him on it. so are ethiopians the same people as south indians? what is the story here?

[tiswas]

Indians are a mixed race, the Dravidians come from africa, and the Aryans from russia.

[vorador]

doesn't official history say India was origianally part of Africa and broke away slamming into China and creating the Himalayas? there's still and aboriginal group of people living in sri lanka that probably came from there.

[icketologist]

sounds like this movie was made about him
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0365810/

[father ted]

doesn't official history say India was origianally part of Africa and broke away slamming into China and creating the Himalayas? there's still and aboriginal group of people living in sri lanka that probably came from there.

Yes, that's what official history says, which is why I don't believe it.

Indians look nothing like any cast of africans... half cast, quartes cast, whatever. Indians/west asians are a race to their own, persians having celtic in them, which is why you have Iran and Iraq.

[tiswas]

There was no human beings when India slammed into asia, the himamlyas changed the World's atmosphere which resulted into an upright ape.
All of humanity originated from africa, but skin colour was not so defined, but the only different species of humaniod was the neothondral. this species has Euro roots, but died out.
India is a mixed race, and it is seen as a warning to all these neo-nazi bigots who class this as warning. By the way, the northern indians have some russian blood in them. Look at Indira Ghandi, she doesn't look like an Indian from the south. India has a dreadful caste system, which is based on colour predicie.

[monique]

Indians come from Egypt, which in fact is Australia..;)

[december]

Do Indians come from Africa like Synergy777 says?

People, once you find out HOW the Himalaya mountains were created than you will understand that Indians could NOT possibly came from Africa...

http://www.ultimateungulate.com/Images/Hemitragus_jemlahicus/H_jemlahicus_map.gif

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Cordial Felicitations!, Monique:

I am aware of the 'Theory': Egypt is Australia, Australia is Zion( the Biblical Promised Land) as promoted by Madame True-Lilly.

I am not aware of evidence that transforms the 'Theory' into 'Fact'.

Would you be so kind as to direct me to a source of this evidence.

My Gratitude in advance, Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[mahabaratara]

Lemuria...

One way or another we all are...

My 2p...

[monique]

Cordial Felicitations!, Monique:

I am aware of the 'Theory': Egypt is Australia, Australia is Zion( the Biblical Promised Land) as promoted by Madame True-Lilly.

I am not aware of evidence that transforms the 'Theory' into 'Fact'.

Would you be so kind as to direct me to a source of this evidence.

My Gratitude in advance, Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

Sorry buddy, it was a joke. I'm all but convinced of the TL's Egypt is Australia rant.

[peachped]

Do Indians come from Africa? WTF?! If they did they would be called Africans!:D

[adimon]

My understanding of this from talking to Dr Robert Winston, was that Homo sapiens evolved in Africa and spread out from there, but there were other species (I think Neanderthals and Idaltu ) that had also spread out from two other locations, centred on modern day Germany, and Mongolia respectively.

When sapiens met these other species/tribes, they mixed a little bit, but mostly warred, and then civilisation arose simultaneously (e.g. within a few generations, not second-by-second) along the Nile, the Euphates-Tigris basin, and the Eurasian rivers. This gave us Negroid and Caucasoid, who mixed to form modern the peoples that became Indian subcontinent, Aryans, and Nordics. Further mixing and climactic forces led to further changes.

Dr Winston told me that anthropologists had widely differing views on the Mongoloid races. I've never looked into this part of it.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Cordial Felicitations!, Monique:

Thank You for the timely response. LOL!

'Whew!!' I thought Madame Lilly was 'Masquerading' as 'Monique' or there are other 'Acolytes' of her 'Theory', sharing across the 'Cyberverse'.

I am always willing to examine evidence and sources as to any position. Madame True-Lilly is adamant as to her position, from the 'Sources' she has provided, I consider her conclusions to be deficient.

Thank You again & Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[anoninnyc]

Do Indians come from Africa? WTF?! If they did they would be called Africans!:D

did you click on the first link i posted on this thread? why do ethiopians look EXACTLY like south Indians?

[peachped]

did you click on the first link i posted on this thread? why do ethiopians look EXACTLY like south Indians?

Sorry anoninnyc, yes i looked at the link and I don't see what the fuss is. borders blur etc. Maybe South Indians were mixing with Ethiopians?

[anoninnyc]

there is an ocean between them though..... maybe the theory that india broke off from africa is correct. not sure.

[peachped]

"Feeling uninspired in the kitchen? Need some help channeling the gourmet chef in you? You're in luck."

http://www.ethiopianrestaurant.com/images/samuelsson$marcus.gif

Hmmm. ;)

[anoninnyc]

thanks for posting the picture- i am so bad with computers. to me he looks south indian. south indians are an interesting group of people.... they are very successful in the usa and also there also seems to be a revival going on now in india as there are many computer and call centers located in south india.

[tiswas]

nice looking guy, definately has african genes.
you must see some pictures of sikhs, afghans and pakistanis fron punjab, some of them look white. My grandmother had grey-blue eyes, but my aunt's hubby is a dark skinned Indian. He comes from a sceduled caste but he's a success in India.

[synergy777]

haile selassie, king of ethiopia, from the sheba/solomon bloodline from the bible.

Haile Selassie I - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"That until the philosophy which holds one race superior and another inferior is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned: That until there are no longer first-class and second class citizens of any nation; That until the color of a man's skin is of no more significance than the color of his eyes; That until the basic human rights are equally guaranteed to all without regard to race; That until that day, the dream of lasting peace and world citizenship and the rule of international morality will remain but a fleeting illusion, to be pursued but never attained." – English translation of 1968 Speech delivered to the United Nations and popularized in a song called War by Bob Marley.


http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/7828/haileselassieda7.jpg

http://mindwarz.com/media/buddah

ANCIENT BLACK BUDDHA
by John R. Mooor.

The statues of ancient Buddahs of the East depected him as having wolly hair is always shown in corn rows, or in a pepper corn style with small tight curls. Original statues of Buddha clearly show him to be Africoid, with the wide nose, thick lips and frizzy, nappy, hair which are distinctive Negro characteristics. In most ancient temples throughout Asia where he is still worshipped, he is shown as jet Black. In fact, in most of the ancient temples of Asia and India, statues of the gods and goddesses have Africoid features with woolly hair in the pepper corn style, while some even have dreadlocks. These pictures of Buddha portray him in no uncertain terms as a Negro with kinky, coiled hair, a flat nose and full lips.

http://mindwarz.com/media/naga

Ancient African Kings Of India
Submitted by Mindwarz on Sat, 2007-04-28 20:28. Africa african ancient civilization india
By Dr. Clyde Winters

Ethiopians have had very intimate relations with Indians. In fact, in antiquity the Ethiopians ruled much of India. These Ethiopians were called the Naga. It was the Naga who created Sanskrit.

A reading of ancient Dravidian literature which dates back to 500 BC, gives us considerable information on the Naga. In Indian tradition the Naga won central India from the Villavar (bowmen) and Minavar (fishermen).

The Naga were great seamen who ruled much of India, Sri Lanka and Burma. To the Aryans they described as half man and snake. The Tamil knew them as warlike people who used the bow and noose.

The earliest mention of the Naga, appear in the Ramayana , they are also mentioned in the Mahabharata. In the Mahabharata we discover that the
Naga had the capital city in the Dekkan, and other cities spread between the Jumna and Ganges as early as 1300 BC. The Dravidian classic, the Chilappathikaran made it clear that the first great kingdom of India was
Naganadu.

The Naga probably came from Kush-Punt/Ethiopia. The Puntites were the greatest sailors of the ancient world. In the Egyptian inscriptions there is mention of the Puntite ports of Outculit, Hamesu and Tekaru, which corresponds to Adulis, Hamasen and Tigre.

In Sumerian text, it is claimed that the Puntites traded with the people of the Indus Valley or Dilmun. According to S.N. Kramer in The Sumerians, part of Punt was probably called Meluhha, and Dilmun was probably the ancient name of the Indus Valley. (Today some scholars maintain that Oman, where we find no ancient cities was Dilmun and the Indus Valley may have been Meluhha).

Ancient Ethiopian traditions support the rule of Puntites or Ethiopians of India. In the Kebra Nagast, we find mention of the Arwe kings who ruled India. The founder of the dynasty was Za Besi Angabo. This dynasty according to the Kebra Nagast began around 1370 BC. These rulers of India and Ethiopia were called Nagas. The Kebra Nagast claims that ” Queen Makeda “had servants and merchants; they traded for her at sea and on land in the Indies and Aswan”. It also says that her son Ebna Hakim or Menelik I, made a campaign in the Indian Sea; the king of India made gifts and donations and prostrated himself before him”. It is also said that Menalik ruled an empire that extended from the rivers of Egypt (Blue Nile) to the west and from the south Shoa to eastern India”, according to the Kebra
Nagast. The Kebra Nagast identification of an eastern Indian empre ruled by
the Naga, corresponds to the Naga colonies in the Dekkan, and on the East
coast between the Kaviri and Vaigai rivers.

The presence of Meluhhaites/ Puntites in India may expain the Greek tradition of Kusites ruling India up to the Ganges. It would also explain the Aryan traditions of Mlechchas ( Sanskrit name for some of the non-Aryan people) as one of the aboriginal groups of India. Many scholars associate the name Mlechchas with Meluhha.

The major Naga tribes were the Maravar, Eyinar, Oliyar, Oviyar, Aru-Valur and Parathavar. The Nagas resisted the invansion of the Cholas. In the Kalittokai IV,1-5, the Naga are described as being “of strong limbs and hardy frames and fierce looking tigers wearing long and curled locks of hair.” The Naga kings of Sri Lanka are mentioned in the: Mahawanso, and are said to have later become Dravidians, as testified to by the names of these people: Naganathan, Nagaratnam, Nagaraja and etc.

The major gift of the Naga to India was the writing system: Nagari. Nagari is the name for the Sanskrit script. Over a hundred years ago Sir William Jones, pointed out that the ancient Ethiopic and Sanskrit writing are one and the same.

William Jones, explained that the Ethiopian origin of Sanskrit was supported by the fact that both writing systems the writing went from left to right and the vowels were annexed to the consonants. Today Eurocentric scholars teach that Indians taught writing to the Ethiopians, yet the name Nagari for Sanskrit betrays the Ethiopia origin of this form of writing. Moreover, it is interesting to note that Sanskrit vowels: a,aa,’,I,u,e,o, virama etc., are in the same order as Geez.

The Ethiopian script has influenced many other writing systems. Y.M. Kobishnor, in the Unesco History of Africa, maintains that Ethiopic was used as the model for Armenian writing, as was many of the Transcaucasian scripts. Dravidian literature indicate that the Naga may have introduced worship of Kali, the Serpent, Murugan and the Sun or Krishna. It is interesting to note that a god called Murugan is worshipped by many people in East Africa.

It is interesting that Krishna, who was associated with the Sun, means Black, this is analogous to the meaning of Khons of the Kushites. Homer, described Hercules as follows: “Black he stood as night his bow uncased, his arrow string for flight”. This mention of arrows identifies the Kushites as warriors who used the bow, a common weapon of the Kushites and the Naga.

Kumarinadu

The Naga or Ethiopians were defeated by Dravidian speaking people from Kumarinadu. Kamarinadu is suppose to have formerly existed as a large Island in the India ocean which connected India with East Africa. This landmass is mentioned in the Silappadikaram, which said that Kamarinadu was made up of seven nadus or regions. The Dravidian scholars Adiyarkunallar and Nachinaar wrote about the ancient principalities of Tamilaham, which existed on Kamarinadu.

Kumarinadu was ruled by the Pandyans/Pandians at Madurai before it
sunk beneath the sea. The greatest king of Kumarinadu was Sengoon.
According to Dravidian scholars the Pandyans worshipped the goddess Kumari Amman. This Amman, probably corresponds to the ancient god Amon of the Kushites.

The Kalittokai 104, makes it clear that after the Pandyans were forced to migrate off their Island home into South India, “to compensate for the area lost to the great waves of the sea, King Pandia without tiresome moved to the other countries and won them. Removing the emblems of tiger (Cholas) and bow (Cheras) he, in their place inscribed his reputed emblem fish (Pandia’s) and valiantly made his enemies bow to him

[anoninnyc]

Kumarinadu

The Naga or Ethiopians were defeated by Dravidian speaking people from Kumarinadu. Kamarinadu is suppose to have formerly existed as a large Island in the India ocean which connected India with East Africa. This landmass is mentioned in the Silappadikaram, which said that Kamarinadu was made up of seven nadus or regions. The Dravidian scholars Adiyarkunallar and Nachinaar wrote about the ancient principalities of Tamilaham, which existed on Kamarinadu.

Kumarinadu was ruled by the Pandyans/Pandians at Madurai before it
sunk beneath the sea. The greatest king of Kumarinadu was Sengoon.
According to Dravidian scholars the Pandyans worshipped the goddess Kumari Amman. This Amman, probably corresponds to the ancient god Amon of the Kushites.


weird. i had figured that the dravidians would have been the ones w ethiopian blood.

[synergy777]

i think know the present day population of india is a mixed one. it was probaly a revolt/war of the masses againt the elite. the east african strain is still very strong in india. it shows our common heritage, i thinks its good, although others, including some indians would not like the association with africa. snobbery/prejudice is in every nationality.

i've always had love of africa anyway and always will.

[tiswas]

Shri Ram was of Russian descent, and so were Indra, Sita and Brahma.
The caste system is based on colour, by the way if you see the current Bollywood 'stars' you will notice that many have some Euro features. Very rarely does a dark skinned actor/ess be given parts.
But when they do, they are extremely successful like Shilpa and Amitabh.:)

[synergy777]

caste system was based primarily on staus/job not colour. the top were brahmins/priests, warriors, land owners/farmers with servants/manual labour at the bottom. it was socio economic division backed up by false religous doctrines, eg karma/people were born into poor families due to bad luck/deeds. this was to keep a monoploy on wealth via means of heriditary transfer of land/job.

the vedas stated we are all equal, and that aryan was a religous/lifestyle, not racial divsion. the persian, iran, are migrated indians, not a different race.

brahma, krishna, vegit-arian diet, aryuvedic medcine, yoga/meditation, vedic maths, sciences etc, aryan means noble. hence aristrocracy/nobility. aryan is not a race, but the vedic way of lfe. i think the true vedic lifestyle/knowledge is the best.

your spirit/mind/body is perfected with vedic methods. vegetarian food, meditation/yoga, vedic maths/sciences, these have not been bettered have they?

is caste sytem noble, is war, corrupted clergy noble? no they are not.

[synergy777]

Vedic period - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The reconstruction of the history of Vedic India is based on text-internal details. Linguistically, the Vedic texts could be classified in five chronological stratas:

1. Rigvedic: The Rigveda is by far the most archaic of the Vedic texts preserved, and it retains many common Indo-Iranian elements, both in language and in content, that are not present in any other Vedic texts. Its creation must have taken place over several centuries, and apart from that of the youngest books (1 and 10), would have been complete—according to academic scholars—by 1500 BCE; however, this is disputed by some Indian historians who posit the earlier date of 3000 BCE.[1] Archaeologically, this period corresponds with the Indus Valley Civilization (IVC), Cemetery H cultures of the Punjab and the Ochre Coloured Pottery culture (OCP) further east. It is undisputed that there is a strong component of cultural continuity of the indigenous IVC.


Society and economy

The concept of varna and the rules of marriage were rigid as is evident from Vedic verses. The status of the Brahmins and Kshatriyas was higher than Dasyus and Vaisyas. The Brahmins propagated specialization of an extreme order. Functioning as an intellectual bureaucracy, they also restricted social mobility, as in fields of science, war, literature, religion and the environment. The proper enunciation of verses was considered essential for prosperity and success in war and harvests. Kshatriyas amassed wealth, and commissioned the performance of sacrifices. Kshatriyas administered the state, maintained society and the economy of a tribe. They also functioned to maintain law and order. They presided over an assembled court of intellectuals and warriors. They distributed the finances of their treasuries, with respect to acts and deeds. They also maintained budgets of the tribe with the assistance of ministers.


Cattle and cows were held in high esteem and frequently appear in Rigvedic hymns; goddesses were often compared to cows, and gods to bulls. Agriculture grew more prominent with time as the community settled down. Money was unknown, and bartering with cattle and other valuables replaced financial commerce.

Families were patrilineal, and people prayed for abundance of sons. Society was strictly organized in a system of varna (to be distinguished from caste or colour, it pertained to the occupation of the respective people). The four major varnas were Brahmin (the priests and learned people), Kshatriya (kings and warriors), Vaishya (traders and merchants) and Shudra (labourers and workers). Those who are outside these caste structure are known as adivasis.

The food of the Rigvedic Aryans consisted of parched grain and cakes, milk and milk products, and various fruits and vegetables.


Vedas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Vedas (Sanskrit véda वेद "knowledge") are a large corpus of texts originating in Ancient India. They form the oldest layer of Sanskrit literature[1] and the oldest sacred texts of Hinduism.[2]

According to Hindu tradition, the Vedas are apauruṣeya "not human compositions"[3], being supposed to have been directly revealed, and thus are called śruti ("what is heard").[4][5] Vedic mantras are recited at Hindu prayers, religious functions and other auspicious occasions.

Philosophies and sects that developed in the Indian subcontinent have taken differing positions on the Vedas. Schools of Indian philosophy which cite the Vedas as their scriptural authority are classified as "orthodox" (āstika). Two other Indian philosophies, Buddhism and Jainism, did not accept the authority of the Vedas and evolved into separate religions. In Indian philosophy these groups are referred to as "heterodox" or "non-Vedic" (nāstika) schools.[6]

[tiswas]

The asian peoples are a very racist bunch, the biggest insult you can say is say how black so and so is, but not anymore. They are admired for what they are, and now I'm glad to say Indians/Chinese look ahead not back.
When you see some Sikh people, you will notice some have competely Euro features and they will not be pleased about the african genes.:(

[synergy777]

http://www.crystalinks.com/vedas.html

Vedas

The Vedas are perhaps the oldest written text on our planet today. They date back to the beginning of Indian civilization and are the earliest literary records of the whole Aryan race. They are supposed to have been passed through oral tradition for over 100,000 years. They came to us in written form between 4-6,000 years ago.

The Vedas are divided into four groups, Rigveda, Yajurveda, Samaveda and Atharvaveda. Each group has an original text (Mantra) and a commentary portion (Brahmana).

The Brahmana again has two portions, one interpreting ritual and the other the philosophy. The portions interpreting the philosophy of the original texts constitute the Upanishads.

There are also auxiliary texts called Vedangas. Vedic literature refers to the whole of this vast group of literature. The whole of Rgveda and most of Atharvaveda are in the form of poetry, or hymns to the deities and the elements.

Samaveda is in verses that are to be sung and Yajurveda is largely in short prose passages. Both Samaveda and Yajurveda are concerned with rituals rather than philosophy - especially Yajurveda.

[synergy777]

i have a mix, a med appearence, but meds are from persians, persians from indians, indians from africans. history proves cultural prejudice to be a falsehood, only kept by unevolved, unlearned people.

[tiswas]

I have your colouring, my eyes are an orangy-brown but I am a HUMAN BEING.
I have heard so much terrible atrocities commited on dalits, even children.
I think all right-minded people hate racists.

[synergy777]

they are racist, but fail to realise the author of their beliefs is satan. its evil, satanic to be racist full stop. thankfully the time has come were people will have to awaken, ignorance/falsehood is going to be anihilated completley and finally. if one is informed, intelligent, they cannot be racist. only morons/bigots etc, are racist. its the next step in evolution, the evil people will be rewarded for loyalty to evil doctrines, and the peaceful/meek shall inherit.

[mahabaratara]

:)haile selassie, king of ethiopia, from the sheba/solomon bloodline from the bible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haile_Selassie_I_of_Ethiopia

"That until the philosophy which holds one race superior and another inferior is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned: That until there are no longer first-class and second class citizens of any nation; That until the color of a man's skin is of no more significance than the color of his eyes; That until the basic human rights are equally guaranteed to all without regard to race; That until that day, the dream of lasting peace and world citizenship and the rule of international morality will remain but a fleeting illusion, to be pursued but never attained." – English translation of 1968 Speech delivered to the United Nations and popularized in a song called War by Bob Marley.


http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/7828/haileselassieda7.jpg

http://mindwarz.com/media/buddah

ANCIENT BLACK BUDDHA
by John R. Mooor.

The statues of ancient Buddahs of the East depected him as having wolly hair is always shown in corn rows, or in a pepper corn style with small tight curls. Original statues of Buddha clearly show him to be Africoid, with the wide nose, thick lips and frizzy, nappy, hair which are distinctive Negro characteristics. In most ancient temples throughout Asia where he is still worshipped, he is shown as jet Black. In fact, in most of the ancient temples of Asia and India, statues of the gods and goddesses have Africoid features with woolly hair in the pepper corn style, while some even have dreadlocks. These pictures of Buddha portray him in no uncertain terms as a Negro with kinky, coiled hair, a flat nose and full lips.

http://mindwarz.com/media/naga

Ancient African Kings Of India
Submitted by Mindwarz on Sat, 2007-04-28 20:28. Africa african ancient civilization india
By Dr. Clyde Winters

Ethiopians have had very intimate relations with Indians. In fact, in antiquity the Ethiopians ruled much of India. These Ethiopians were called the Naga. It was the Naga who created Sanskrit.

A reading of ancient Dravidian literature which dates back to 500 BC, gives us considerable information on the Naga. In Indian tradition the Naga won central India from the Villavar (bowmen) and Minavar (fishermen).

The Naga were great seamen who ruled much of India, Sri Lanka and Burma. To the Aryans they described as half man and snake. The Tamil knew them as warlike people who used the bow and noose.

The earliest mention of the Naga, appear in the Ramayana , they are also mentioned in the Mahabharata. In the Mahabharata we discover that the
Naga had the capital city in the Dekkan, and other cities spread between the Jumna and Ganges as early as 1300 BC. The Dravidian classic, the Chilappathikaran made it clear that the first great kingdom of India was
Naganadu.

The Naga probably came from Kush-Punt/Ethiopia. The Puntites were the greatest sailors of the ancient world. In the Egyptian inscriptions there is mention of the Puntite ports of Outculit, Hamesu and Tekaru, which corresponds to Adulis, Hamasen and Tigre.

In Sumerian text, it is claimed that the Puntites traded with the people of the Indus Valley or Dilmun. According to S.N. Kramer in The Sumerians, part of Punt was probably called Meluhha, and Dilmun was probably the ancient name of the Indus Valley. (Today some scholars maintain that Oman, where we find no ancient cities was Dilmun and the Indus Valley may have been Meluhha).

Ancient Ethiopian traditions support the rule of Puntites or Ethiopians of India. In the Kebra Nagast, we find mention of the Arwe kings who ruled India. The founder of the dynasty was Za Besi Angabo. This dynasty according to the Kebra Nagast began around 1370 BC. These rulers of India and Ethiopia were called Nagas. The Kebra Nagast claims that ” Queen Makeda “had servants and merchants; they traded for her at sea and on land in the Indies and Aswan”. It also says that her son Ebna Hakim or Menelik I, made a campaign in the Indian Sea; the king of India made gifts and donations and prostrated himself before him”. It is also said that Menalik ruled an empire that extended from the rivers of Egypt (Blue Nile) to the west and from the south Shoa to eastern India”, according to the Kebra
Nagast. The Kebra Nagast identification of an eastern Indian empre ruled by
the Naga, corresponds to the Naga colonies in the Dekkan, and on the East
coast between the Kaviri and Vaigai rivers.

The presence of Meluhhaites/ Puntites in India may expain the Greek tradition of Kusites ruling India up to the Ganges. It would also explain the Aryan traditions of Mlechchas ( Sanskrit name for some of the non-Aryan people) as one of the aboriginal groups of India. Many scholars associate the name Mlechchas with Meluhha.

The major Naga tribes were the Maravar, Eyinar, Oliyar, Oviyar, Aru-Valur and Parathavar. The Nagas resisted the invansion of the Cholas. In the Kalittokai IV,1-5, the Naga are described as being “of strong limbs and hardy frames and fierce looking tigers wearing long and curled locks of hair.” The Naga kings of Sri Lanka are mentioned in the: Mahawanso, and are said to have later become Dravidians, as testified to by the names of these people: Naganathan, Nagaratnam, Nagaraja and etc.

The major gift of the Naga to India was the writing system: Nagari. Nagari is the name for the Sanskrit script. Over a hundred years ago Sir William Jones, pointed out that the ancient Ethiopic and Sanskrit writing are one and the same.

William Jones, explained that the Ethiopian origin of Sanskrit was supported by the fact that both writing systems the writing went from left to right and the vowels were annexed to the consonants. Today Eurocentric scholars teach that Indians taught writing to the Ethiopians, yet the name Nagari for Sanskrit betrays the Ethiopia origin of this form of writing. Moreover, it is interesting to note that Sanskrit vowels: a,aa,’,I,u,e,o, virama etc., are in the same order as Geez.

The Ethiopian script has influenced many other writing systems. Y.M. Kobishnor, in the Unesco History of Africa, maintains that Ethiopic was used as the model for Armenian writing, as was many of the Transcaucasian scripts. Dravidian literature indicate that the Naga may have introduced worship of Kali, the Serpent, Murugan and the Sun or Krishna. It is interesting to note that a god called Murugan is worshipped by many people in East Africa.

It is interesting that Krishna, who was associated with the Sun, means Black, this is analogous to the meaning of Khons of the Kushites. Homer, described Hercules as follows: “Black he stood as night his bow uncased, his arrow string for flight”. This mention of arrows identifies the Kushites as warriors who used the bow, a common weapon of the Kushites and the Naga.

Kumarinadu

The Naga or Ethiopians were defeated by Dravidian speaking people from Kumarinadu. Kamarinadu is suppose to have formerly existed as a large Island in the India ocean which connected India with East Africa. This landmass is mentioned in the Silappadikaram, which said that Kamarinadu was made up of seven nadus or regions. The Dravidian scholars Adiyarkunallar and Nachinaar wrote about the ancient principalities of Tamilaham, which existed on Kamarinadu.

Kumarinadu was ruled by the Pandyans/Pandians at Madurai before it
sunk beneath the sea. The greatest king of Kumarinadu was Sengoon.
According to Dravidian scholars the Pandyans worshipped the goddess Kumari Amman. This Amman, probably corresponds to the ancient god Amon of the Kushites.

The Kalittokai 104, makes it clear that after the Pandyans were forced to migrate off their Island home into South India, “to compensate for the area lost to the great waves of the sea, King Pandia without tiresome moved to the other countries and won them. Removing the emblems of tiger (Cholas) and bow (Cheras) he, in their place inscribed his reputed emblem fish (Pandia’s) and valiantly made his enemies bow to him


I am going to have to look into that...

Ethiopian origins of Sanskrit...

How come there architecture/poetry/medicine/kundalini-chackras information isnt anywhere near that of India then...?

Least that I am aware of...?

May have originated there but it showed its conclusion elsewhere unless its tied up with a fabled Gobi desert civilsation...;)

[synergy777]

devanaghi script gave birth to sanskrit. we talking about a very long time ago bro. the ancient naga kings of africa/india. also i havew seen swastikas on ethiopian churches.

[anoninnyc]

you know synergy this is such a fascinating topic and will likely take me years to study. so much of this has been covered up and mainly by the indian people themselves.

[synergy777]

indians/persians/arabs/ modern egyptians = asians, are the most ARROGANT.

we KNOW WE HAVE THE OLDEST CIVILISATIONS. COME ON, IN PRIVATE CIRCLES, WE KNOW EUROPEANS ARE NEWLY CULTURED/CIVILISED, AND GIVE CREDIT TO ROMANS/MOORS/GREEKS, (US) FOR CIVILISING THEM. WE ASIANS TOOK IT OFF AFRICANS, OUR ANCESTORS. THE EUROPEANS REPAID THE FAVOUR AND DID IT TO US, SO ALL ARE GUILTY.

i speak plainly about the wrong attitudes of all africans, asians and europeans.

HECK EVEN CONTNENTAL EUROPE VIEWS ENGLISH/AMERICAN AS LOUD, BRASH, UNCIVILISED, UNCULTURED. THE WHOLE LAGER LOUT, COWBOYS, ROS BEUFS ETC. this is wrong, but me merely stating it, people think i endorse it. if i don't speak frankly about it, who is?

WE THINK OF THEM AS CAVEMEN/barb-arians, lol THEY VIEW us AS APES, ETC, ITS MUTUAL DISLIKE.

[tiswas]

The Aryans are Russians, Ram, Sita and Lakshman were all white.
The Dravidians were of African descent, Hanuman and Ravan was of this stock.
the Indian people are a MIXED RACE, and many a white supermacist classes India as a great warning against interbreeding. But did you know, the African genes are not as strong as oriental genes.
One black guy from, say the west indies could marry a white lady and have kids. Those kids would be beautiful, and one will marry a white, the result will be a totally white kid. If an oriental did this, the grandchild will still have oriental features.

[synergy777]

if you understand dominant/recessive genes, basic biology, you would realise it can't be that way. look at mixed couples, look at the kids from these unions, which strain is stronger. are people deaf/dumb/blind, is the power of false knowledge this strong, that it overpowers your eyes.

its nature not doctrine, science not propaganda. research dominant/recessive, genetic diversity and then talk to me.

i think you are not sikh, panjabi but just some demented chick thinking she can be. i know of kinow indian that thinks we come from russians, i know those who are educated, in medical professions who tell me of the dominant/recessive.

let me put in simple terms, as you obvioulsy can't be bothered to research. see brown people can create white people due to genetic diversity, white people can't produce brown people unless they breed with us. a brown couple can produce white/olive/brown kids. white couples can only produce white kids, they only produce brown kids, when their partner is brown.

so its scientifcaly impossible to speak of what you are saying, dominant/recessive completely blows your fairytale out of the window. see its the white indians that went to russia/europe. if white came to india, by due to breeding, etc, they would not be there now, as brown genes are dominant. see look at white people who breed with brown people? what colour are their offspring, white or brown? the white indians are only there as they are from india, that we have the genetic diversity to produce both white/brown. my sister/brother in law, prove this example.

my sister is white, my brother in law is dark brown, their kids are of all hues, olive, to dark brown. and when you add the fact of mitrochrondial dna, eg maternal line being the strongest factor/most important factor, well case closed.

see they were not russians but white indians, why would we have russian/vedic religion, and the russians not? i am indian, and the vedic culture is mine. i don't claim their culture, i don't claim to be da vinci, shakespeare etc. why they grab ours, vedas, palestine, egypt, etc. ours is older and thus highlights the age of theirs.

[brotherapostate]

Let's not forget we all come from the same source yet evolved and developed varying physical attributes dependent on where our ancient ancestors were from. We all come from Africa anyway.

[synergy777]

broapostate, spot on.

[tiswas]

to syn 777, I am a geniune indian Sikh OK. You are not the only asian who is interested in Icke and his works.
You must of read my Punjabi translated into English, and I do understand the humour of Punjab.

[mahabaratara]

777

This is possibly the the best book on the net...

You know I was always interested in Sacred Geomerty/Cymatics/Ancient History and the rest...

This guy puts it all together and then some...

When I finished reading it I felt as though I had been chewed up and spat out...

LONG after I leave this planet they will be talking about it...

Its THAT good...You remember that Sikh guy called Bondpatak that used to post at the forum (well you might not of known he was Sikh but I guess you remember him...) he was always talking of similiar stuff but I was new to this...


www.soulsofdistortion.nl

Top left...Read it and weep man I kind of did LOL!

[mahabaratara]

indian Sikh...

Nice to meet another...

Take it easy man...;)

[anoninnyc]

please pardon my ignorance, but sikhs are kind of like a cross between islam and hinduism, no? am i completely off base with that assertation?

[tiswas]

dear Mahabharata, I'm a woman not a guy.:)

[eternal_spirit]

Sikhism (International Phonetic Alphabet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ['siːkɪz(ə)m] (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/30/Seekism.ogg) (Wikipedia:Media help - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia·info (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Seekism.ogg)) or ['sɪk-] (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/44/Sikism.ogg) (info (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Sikism.ogg)); Punjabi language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ਸਿੱਖੀ, sikkhī, IPA: ['sɪk.kʰiː] (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/84/Sikkhi.ogg) (info (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Sikkhi.ogg))) is a Religion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that began in 15th century - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia North India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia with the teachings of Guru Nanak Dev - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and nine successive human Sikh gurus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. This system of religious Philosophy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and expression has been traditionally known as the Gurmat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (literally the counsel of the gurus) or the Sikh Dharma. Sikhism comes from the word Sikh, which in turn comes from the Sanskrit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia root Guru-shishya tradition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia meaning "disciple" or "learner", or śikṣa meaning "instruction."[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikhism#_note-0)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikhism#_note-1) Sikhism is the Major religious groups - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia religion in the world, and is generally considered the fifth largest organized religion, depending on how one defines an "organized religion".[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikhism#_note-ADR)
The principal belief in Sikhism is faith in Waheguru - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia—represented using the sacred symbol of Ik Onkar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Sikhism advocates the pursuit of salvation through disciplined, personal meditation on the name and message of God. The followers of Sikhism are ordained to follow the teachings of the ten http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sikh_Gurus, or enlightened leaders, as well as the holy scripture—the Guru Granth Sahib - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia—which includes the selected works of many authors from diverse socioeconomic and religious backgrounds. The text was decreed by Gobind Singh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, the tenth guru, as the final guru of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalsa_Panth. Sikhism's traditions and teachings are distinctly associated with the history, society and culture of the Punjab region - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Adherents of Sikhism are known as Sikh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (students or disciples) and number over 23 million across the world. However, most Sikhs live in the Punjab, India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India; prior to Partition of India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, millions of Sikhs lived in what is now the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjab_%28Pakistan%29 of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan.

[eternal_spirit]

The Eleven Gurus of Sikhism

# Name Date of Birth Guruship on Date of Death Age 1 Guru Nanak Dev - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia April 15 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1469 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia August 20 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1507 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia September 22 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1539 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 69 2 Guru Angad Dev - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia March 31 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1504 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia September 7 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1539 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia March 29 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1552 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 48 3 Guru Amar Das - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia May 5 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1479 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia March 26 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1552 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia September 1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1574 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 95 4 Guru Ram Das - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia September 24 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1534 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia September 1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1574 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia September 1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1581 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 46 5 Guru Arjan Dev - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia April 15 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1563 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia September 1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1581 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia May 30 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1606 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 43 6 Guru Hargobind - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia June 19 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1595 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia May 25 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1606 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia February 28 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1644 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 48 7 Guru Har Rai - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia January 16 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1630 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia March 3 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1644 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia October 6 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1661 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 31 8 Guru Har Krishan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia July 7 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1656 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia October 6 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1661 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia March 30 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1664 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 7 9 Guru Tegh Bahadur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia April 1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1621 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia March 20 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1665 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia November 11 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1675 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 54 10 Gobind Singh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia December 22 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1666 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia November 11 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1675 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia October 7 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1708 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 41 11 Guru Granth Sahib - 7 October 1708 to never ending (eternal final Guru of Sikhism)

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[synergy777]

sikhism is the worlds newest religion. it is a fusion from of oldest and latest abrahamic faiths. due to it geographic location, it has remained relatively uncorrupt. although we have seen tribal laws infltrate, they are easily seen/identified. they haven't had the time to fuse into the main teachings, and be seen as the truth, lol.

cheers for the book maha, i have dl before, from you. nice 1.

[mahabaratara]

dear Mahabharata, I'm a woman not a guy.:)

My apologies...Presumption was all mine...

Either way take it easy *friend*...

[anoninnyc]

www.soulsofdistortion.nl



Top left...Read it and weep man I kind of did LOL!

not done reading it.......... fascinating....... thanks for the info.