Dan Brown's Lost symbol on CHANNEL 4.

[dynamicwiseman]

Coming on channel 4 (UK) at 9:00pm.

Should be interesting, can't wait. Love esoteric knowledge.

[steevo]

Coming on channel 4 (UK) at 9:00pm.

Should be interesting, can't wait. Love esoteric knowledge.

I MIGHT watch that. I liked Tony Robinson's documentary about the Da Vinci Code, which was also on C4 if I remember rightly.

[frase]

I MIGHT watch that. I liked Tony Robinson's documentary about the Da Vinci Code, which was also on C4 if I remember rightly.

The Da Vinci code show is on afterwards.....
Come on Baldrick....show us your stuff....

[pri01]

I can't see them telling us anything we don't know anyway. That information is everywhere now in books, on the net and even in David Ickes biggest secret.

I'll watch it though to see what they're attempting to get across, hey I may be wrong they may reveal something.

[gizmocrystal]

I am watching it now............like he would tell tony robinson the truth!

What a load of S**T

More disinfo for the sheep!:mad::rolleyes:

I am going to keep watching tho so i can shout at the telly!!

[dynamicwiseman]

I am watching it now............like he would tell tony robinson the truth!

What a load of S**T

More disinfo for the sheep!:mad::rolleyes:

I am going to keep watching tho so i can shout at the telly!!

There are circles within circles, he just a low level minion mason. ;)

[gizmocrystal]

There are circles within circles, he just a low level minion mason. ;)

Exactly!

I suppose we wont learn anything new, just you wait i bet he is going to debunk everything!

[scatlond]

Pish of the highest order.

[warwick]

Tony robinson is a mason anyway check his scarf at the start. I actually used to think he was years ago anyway watching time team. What a laugh...

[light_shiner]

First impression after 30 minutes viewing - Superficial and lacking in depth. Disappointing start.

[gizmocrystal]

Tony robinson is a mason anyway check his scarf at the start. I actually used to think he was years ago anyway watching time team. What a laugh...

Yes i think so, they want to debunk all of this before people start questioning.

Next time i talk to people about the lost symbol/masons/etc people will say-

"Didnt you watch that programme with Tony Robinson? It was all debunked"

Pah sheep!:D

[dynamicwiseman]

As above so below.

[logos]

This Robinson whitewash has had the opposite effect on me. I had been agnostic about masonic influence on America, but having watched this obvious disinformation I'm starting to think there is something to it.
The general plan of the show has been: Robinson announces Dan Brown's theory with a sneering tone, then interviews some monkey who says "it's a coincidence" and that is enough to persuade him. And even that, much of the evidence, such as the dollar bill pramid spelling out the word MASON, is ignored.
Whitewash at the whitehouse?

[thenymph]

Tony robinson is a mason anyway check his scarf at the start. I actually used to think he was years ago anyway watching time team. What a laugh...

What's his scarf like - I can't get C4 here - curious. I know he's pretty high up in the Labour Party. Do you have any other info on him ?

[gizmocrystal]

Dan Brown also says its a fictional story with factual elements. He is mixing up the entire thing.

and he never said masons ruled the world.

[kedz]

That was s**t !!!!

[gizmocrystal]

Part 2

The Davinci Code!!.................lets hear it then...:D

ETA I cant be bothered to watch it.

[light_shiner]

After watching it to the end, my conclusion is a simple one - What a waste of a good hour.

[rewind_bo]

that was awful watching. he showed lots of proof about a possible masonic background to washington and then as soon as one person said its a coincidence he agreed and said yeah dan brown is wrong grrrrrrrrrrrrr

[light_shiner]

The situation can be summed up by the phrase 'unbalanced and biased production'

[mondo23]

That was s**t !!!!

No need to censor dude. That was SHIT plain and simple! But very much expected none the less. Disapointing coming from the man who gave us Maid Marian and Her Merry Men:

Pancake Day - Maid Marian - YouTube

:D

[gizmocrystal]

The situation can be summed up by the phrase 'unbalanced and biased production'

As all these type of programmes always turn out to be:)

[gizmocrystal]

No need to censor dude. That was SHIT plain and simple! But very much expected none the less. Disapointing coming from the man who gave us Maid Marian and Her Merry Men:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj_aHCpZl4k

:D

LOL, id forgotten about that!!!:D

[amaralsright]

I'd like to thank Tony Robinson for his thorough and in-depth investigation into Freemasonary.

It is rare these days to see a program where the presenter is so fearless and so incisive in his questioning.

Tony left no stone unturned and for this we should all be grateful.

I will sleep easier tonight knowing there is nothing to see here and I can move along.

He should get an award for one of investigative journalisms finest hours.

Big thumbs up.

[michael_mac]

That program was a cover up for the Christmas Clones!

[pri01]

I'd like to thank Tony Robinson for his thorough and in-depth investigation into Freemasonary.:D

It is rare these days to see a program where the presenter is so fearless and so incisive in his questioning.:D:D

Tony left no stone unturned and for this we should all be grateful.:D:D

I will sleep easier tonight knowing there is nothing to see here and I can move along.:D

He should get an award for one of investigative journalisms finest hours.:D:D

Big thumbs up.:p:D

[clozaril]

saw the last 15 mins and agree with everyone else what a load of shite.

the part about noetic sciences was pathetic and frustrating, no mention of edgar mitchell who founded the noetic institute no mention of PEAR no mention of dean radin lynne mctaggert fritz albert popp, just some bearded exiled yank at the university of northampton with a laptop and a REG machine. if he filmed in washington why not go to california to the institute of noetic sciences ?

[muddyleopard]

winnie-ther-pooh

[theoutlawjournalist]

In the immortal words of Cheryl Cole: weak, limp, lifeless.

I'm not at all surprised though, anything connected with that puppet of the Elite Dan Brown is bound to fail. Has Brown been investigated on this site yet...anyone got links to previous threads? As someone who has worked exstensively in the book trade I always found it strange that his Robert Langdon series sunk without trace when first published then all of a sudden it's the world's biggest literary sensation, despite being car crash writing of the worst kind. Isn't it also true that the majority of people that enjoy his books are sheeple and would scoff at the kind of subjects under discussion on this site.

S.Brent Morris was the single most creepy guy I have ever seen, I'm glad I don't have to look into those cold, dead eyes...then again, Robinson was the perfect choice as his eyes are blacker and colder than a three-weeks-dead Great White Shark.

[les_paul_robot]

What a disgrace that show was.
"The pentagram, it's just a coincidence. In fact all of it is, Dan Brown's a liar."
One protesteth too much

[spiraltrance]

Total whitewash. I knew it would be having seen another documentary, can't remember what it was called, where Tony Robinson is pushing an atheist agenda to the masses and saying there's no divine current/spiritual goal behind life and it's all down to cold random evolution so stick to the left brain science.

On tonights documentary I like he how portrays himself as someone with an open mind investigating the 'evidence' then goes along with it all being just a coincidence and very subtly, or maybe not so subtly, encourages everyone else to do the same.

I really hope people don't actualy believe this twat?

[flip side]

Funny how all these mainstream tv programs 'debunk' all these conspiracy theories with their trusted good old friend Mr Coincidence.

He just keeps rearing his ugly head doesn't he?!

Everything explained away in a flash with the 'coincidence theory'... surely something exponentially more flimsey than most 'conspiracy theories'

Robinson seemed like he was sexually excited being surrounded by these Mason gimps and their phallic obelisks, says it all really.

[icarus]

He was always going to whitewash it, as some of us said. I'm a bit surprised that people thought he might be out to do an indepth study of Freemasonry and it's Jewish overtones.

Never mentioned that aspect once though, did he, all those Star of Davids in the temples and not a peep from him.

I always find that scene in Blackadder quite ironic with him and Rowan Atkinson leading the charge into the poppy fields, what with his ethnic group's real involvement in that war, and now the drug trade;)

Robinson has been set up a some sort of scientific authority, when the truth is he's the thickest lightweight on the Timeteam, surrounded by much lower paid but higher qualified people.

They are tapping into this image of him with this nonsense. It's encouraging that they think they have to do this though, responding to truth on the internet.

He set the tone for the entire show when he mentioned the open door into the masonic lodge, no security etc. That's right Tony, no security when they know you're coming and you're an international media "star" and fellow brother.

What a twat. Just doing his bit for mass murderers, and Israel. How very New Labour of him.

Let's see him dig up those Polish fields and find the evidence

[dantesinferno]

it was really bad, I wanted to punch him in his little innocent looking doe eyes, dumb fuck.


EDIT
we should complain to C4 just on the fact that there wasn't anyone interviewed that has done valid research on the masons

[icarus]

it was really bad, I wanted to punch him in his little innocent looking doe eyes, dumb fuck.

i'm guessing he's a runner rather than a fighter, you'd have to catch the bugger first

i had to laugh at the solid statements at the end, along the lines of there's nothing to any of this, no masonic street plan, no masonic influence in america today

what a knob. he should have a word with stephen fry, who seems more aware of what is emerging in the US than most of these media halfwits enjoying their gravy train

[rodin]

The Russian Tea Room was opened in 1927, by former members of the Russian Imperial Ballet, as a gathering place for Russian expatriates and became famous as a gathering place for those in the entertainment industry. The founder is often considered to be Polish-born Jacob Zysman, but in that year, a corporation directory gives Albertina Rasch as the president and her name appears along with Russian Art Chocolate and Russian Tea Room, in early photographs of the shopfront at 145 W. 57th St. In 1929, the business moved across the street to its present location, which at that time was an Italianate brownstone, built in 1875 by German immigrant John F. Pupke, a tea and coffee merchant, whose son later moved the large clan to Long Island, seeking a more relaxed lifestyle.
By 1933, the Siberian émigré Alexander Maeef was running the Russian Tea Room and was the main personality associated with the restaurant for the next fifteen years.

Russian Tea Room - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Your starter for ten what's the connection?

[tracker]

Funny how all these mainstream tv programs 'debunk' all these conspiracy theories with their trusted good old friend Mr Coincidence.

He just keeps rearing his ugly head doesn't he?!

Everything explained away in a flash with the 'coincidence theory'... surely something exponentially more flimsey than most 'conspiracy theories'

Robinson seemed like he was sexually excited being surrounded by these Mason gimps and their phallic obelisks, says it all really.


yeah I also knew that this would happen too .

I made a point to my partner before hand and my point was this .

that the PTB always work by showing you the facts in your face but then tell you how you mustn't see them .

what happened ?
they showed all the street plans , flags and symbols and then told the audience that it was all coincidence .:D

I nearly fell off my seat PMSL .

At the end did you notice the subliminal ?

he sat in a pub ---------- ( like most simpletons do )
drinking a bear ------------( yeah get a bear folks its all good for ya )
saying that is was a load of crap and that to be ( and I quote he said ) "a good book he should have made a PLOT with SOME truth"----------thus also trashing everything he had just shown every one in britian , and then the last scenes were of him riding a modern mechanical thing .

thus his PICTORAL message was this

be modern
dont believe what we have just shown you
be modern and have a bear and just dont believe it
because the pub
is where its all at .


what a load of shit says meee

a coincidence ?
13 arrows on the flag
13 leaves on the olive branch
13 stars

and then he couldnt piece together how the 13 represents the last supper

but then

the next program started with the 13 at the last supper .

what a load of utter crap it all was .

:cool:

yet proved my point .

this is what they ( the freemasons ) do and did
and we are telling you
it doesnt exist .

no go to the pub lol.:D

[icarus]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Tea_Room

Your starter for ten what's the connection?

"* Its slogan is: "Six minutes and twenty-three seconds from Lincoln Center and slightly to the left of Carnegie Hall".
* The British comedian, Rowan Atkinson, married Sunetra Sastry there, in 1990.
* Scenes from Manhattan, The Turning Point, Tootsie and New York Stories, were filmed at the restaurant.
* It was a favored dining place of, among other notables, Ayn Rand and Wanda Toscanini Horowitz.
* The Russian Tea Room is depicted in a painting by Beryl Cook.
* In 1982, Madonna worked there, as a coat-check clerk.[7]"

mr bean and madge

nice;)

[icarus]

yeah I also knew that this would happen too .

I made a point to my partner before hand and my point was this .

that the PTB always work by showing you the facts in your face but then tell you how you mustn't see them .

what happened ?
they showed all the street plans , flags and symbols and then told the audience that it was all coincidence .:D

I nearly fell off my seat PMSL .

At the end did you notice the subliminal ?

he sat in a pub ---------- ( like most simpletons do )
drinking a bear ------------( yeah get a bear folks its all good for ya )
saying that is was a load of crap and that to be ( and I quote he said ) "a good book he should have made a PLOT with SOME truth"----------thus also trashing everything he had just shown every one in britian , and then the last scenes were of him riding a modern mechanical thing .

thus his PICTORAL message was this

be modern
dont believe what we have just shown you
be modern and have a bear and just dont believe it
because the pub
is where its all at .


what a load of shit says meee

a coincidence ?
13 arrows on the flag
13 leaves on the olive branch
13 stars

and then he couldnt piece together how the 13 represents the last supper

but then

the next program started with the 13 at the last supper .

what a load of utter crap it all was .

:cool:

yet proved my point .

this is what they ( the freemasons ) do and did
and we are telling you
it doesnt exist .

no go to the pub lol.:D

all true, and many of us on here saw this one coming a mile away

robinson has been very busy lately with his other prime time show about global warming turning ancient societies upside down

i'm guessing he has connections;)

[gizmocrystal]

What got me was the fact that he was mixing up the fictional and non fictional parts of the story together.

Dan brown said that there is a field (noetic science) that deals with ESP stuff, he didnt claim like tony r claimed that they knew everything, he was just letting the people know that there is such a science out there and there are investigations going on into the subject

Also i hated it when every time the person who he was interviewing debuncked the claim, tony would face the camera laugh(as if to say listen sheeple) and then completly drop the line of questioning!

[icarus]

65 yr old robinson with 27 yr old girlfriend

what can she see in him

must be love

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/03_01/robinsonDM0503_228x410.jpg

[spiraltrance]

65 yr old robinson with 27 yr old girlfriend

what can she see in him

must be love

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/03_01/robinsondm0503_228x410.jpg

lol

[tesla]

Total disinfo . .




:mad:

[gaias child]

Tony robinson is a mason anyway check his scarf at the start. I actually used to think he was years ago anyway watching time team. What a laugh...

What is it about the scarf, I did not notice that but I did notice he did a freemasonry handshake. They think we are idiots

[rodin]

"* Its slogan is: "Six minutes and twenty-three seconds from Lincoln Center and slightly to the left of Carnegie Hall".
* The British comedian, Rowan Atkinson, married Sunetra Sastry there, in 1990.
* Scenes from Manhattan, The Turning Point, Tootsie and New York Stories, were filmed at the restaurant.
* It was a favored dining place of, among other notables, Ayn Rand and Wanda Toscanini Horowitz.
* The Russian Tea Room is depicted in a painting by Beryl Cook.
* In 1982, Madonna worked there, as a coat-check clerk.[7]"

mr bean and madge

nice;)

I knew I could count on you ;)

Blackadder III, slapstick comedy, Morcambe & Wise Christmas show, BBC 2 last night, Dad's Army too

Still very funny.

How well they wrapped the propaganda...

[lupa]

65 yr old robinson with 27 yr old girlfriend

what can she see in him

must be love

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/03_01/robinsonDM0503_228x410.jpg

she's very tall is she a she? :p I turned it off after about 20 minutes. Tony your Twat! and thank you for showing the world who your batting for. now go and suck your girlfriends dick lol

[merde]

anyone else smirk when he told us the name of the washington dc hotel he was staying in... the helix!

[hollo]

just seen it - what a load of bs

used to know someone that did time team with him
- they said he was a complete prick, did fuck all and take the
glory of thier finds!

gonna read the lost symbol now :)

[kelly_2010]

I am watching it now............like he would tell tony robinson the truth!

What a load of S**T

More disinfo for the sheep!:mad::rolleyes:

I am going to keep watching tho so i can shout at the telly!!


It's called entertainment. :rolleyes:

Maybe you should try BBC3, they might tell you the secrets of the universe. :rolleyes:

[steevo]

Yes Tony Robinson was one of Tony Blair's chums. I preferred it when he was Baldrick, he had more brains then.

[kelly_2010]

just seen it - what a load of bs

used to know someone that did time team with him
- they said he was a complete prick, did fuck all and take the
glory of thier finds!

gonna read the lost symbol now :)

Time Team - RLMAO.

So you weren't brainwashed by the programme then? lol. You're going to buy the book god damn it!!!!!! Nothing to do with the programme noooooo. wasn't an entertaining promo for the book noooooo. :rolleyes:

[kelly_2010]

Yes Tony Robinson was one of Tony Blair's chums. I preferred it when he was Baldrick, he had more brains then.

OMG, now Tony Robinson is in on 'it'. :rolleyes:

That must be why there are so many Freemason symbols in 'Big Top'. :D

[hey_jude]

I don't usually watch TV but was alerted to view this...

and there we have the proof TPTB are crapping their pants...

in the pub Tony Robinson said "the fastest selling novel of all time" :D

one of the sheeple I watched it with noted "someone doesn't want us to buy or believe anything in this book ...I'm going to buy it tomorrow" :D

Thanks Tony you did good lad :D

[icarus]

I knew I could count on you ;)

Blackadder III, slapstick comedy, Morcambe & Wise Christmas show, BBC 2 last night, Dad's Army too

Still very funny.

How well they wrapped the propaganda...

i see more and more in the old shows, but like you say, still funny a lot of it

old movies too, when you know the agenda they make so much more sense:)

i wonder what faith mr bean would have been if he had one. must ask atkinsonski some time

[hold_that_thought]

What a dilemma... Buy Dan Browns book who was accused of but cleared of plagiarising someone elses work, but believe it all anyway (On principle because Tony Robinson is the bogeyman)..or be independent, self researching and don't buy Dan Browns Book... decisions decisions. I might buy it just to read as a novel.. Bloody hell, I've been on enough longhaul flights to find great poetry in the flight safety card, I'm sure Browns tome will hold my attention.

[tb303]

Would it not be more appropriate to use any book by Dan Brown as bog roll?

[icarus]

Would it not be more appropriate to use any book by Dan Brown as bog roll?

or indeed any thick and absorbent tome

bible, torah, koran

[drhemp]

Tony robinson is a mason anyway check his scarf at the start. I actually used to think he was years ago anyway watching time team. What a laugh...

He is also a long term prominent Labour Party activist.

[kelly_2010]

What a dilemma... Buy Dan Browns book who was accused of but cleared of plagiarising someone elses work, but believe it all anyway (On principle because Tony Robinson is the bogeyman)..or be independent, self researching and don't buy Dan Browns Book... decisions decisions. I might buy it just to read as a novel.. Bloody hell, I've been on enough longhaul flights to find great poetry in the flight safety card, I'm sure Browns tome will hold my attention.

Aha! You have fallen for Tony Robinson's cunning plan. ;)

[icarus]

He is also a long term prominent Labour Party activist.

curious that. a lot of his ilk seem to be new labourites, marxists, communists etc

by his ilk i mean of course media types:)

[edelweiss pirate]

He is also a long term prominent Labour Party activist.

I visited the Knights of Saint John's headquarters in Saint John's street in the city of London and lo and behold, in the museum there was a picture of Mr Tony Robinson dressed in full regalia of the order.

So he's one of 'them' basically.

[michael_mac]

What got me was the fact that he was mixing up the fictional and non fictional parts of the story together.

Dan brown said that there is a field (noetic science) that deals with ESP stuff, he didnt claim like tony r claimed that they knew everything, he was just letting the people know that there is such a science out there and there are investigations going on into the subject

Also i hated it when every time the person who he was interviewing debuncked the claim, tony would face the camera laugh(as if to say listen sheeple) and then completly drop the line of questioning!

There were so many holes in that TV Program, I didn't video it so I can't remember them all. But that's bang on that he kept looking into the camera and smirking as if "told you so it's all baloney and the masons are a bunch of limp wristed non-entities!"

At the beggining at the British leg of the program, he didn't ask questions about what all the "weird" symbology meant on the walls. Now if you had those sort of images painted on your living room wall, people would think you odd. Why is it acceptable that this organisation still have a hall used for initiating people into a "secret" society and Tony Robinson seemed to view it as slightly quirky harmless English eccentricity that meant nothing more? :confused: ODD!

Also if I remember right he said that the symbols came from the Medieval Period? When the carvings on the door where of the Building of Solomons Temple 1,000 years BC.

[frase]

That show was a load of shite....As if the masons Robinson interviewed would turn around and go.....Oh yeah...You got me?!
Fuck you Baldrick...EPIC FAIL...
This show was an insult to the viewer's intelligence...

[snapdragon]

As any Mason who divulges the secret is supposed to be killed, they are hardly going to admit it on TV.

[kelly_2010]

I visited the Knights of Saint John's headquarters in Saint John's street in the city of London and lo and behold, in the museum there was a picture of Mr Tony Robinson dressed in full regalia of the order.

So he's one of 'them' basically.


And what were you doing there? http://planetsmilies.net/happy-smiley-89.gif ... aha! You have been exposed - you too are a Freemason.

[steevo]

And what were you doing there? http://planetsmilies.net/happy-smiley-89.gif ... aha! You have been exposed - you too are a Freemason.

What are you doing on this forum. Are you here just to ridicule people ? Go away.

[kelly_2010]

Why is it acceptable that this organisation still have a hall used for initiating people into a "secret" society and Tony Robinson seemed to view it as slightly quirky harmless English eccentricity that meant nothing more?

Why do you think it is unacceptable to initiate people into a 'secret' society?

Why do you think if someone is keeping something secret that automatically means they are doing something wrong? (were you parents a bit distant when you were little? lol.)

What are you saying is illegal about the above?

Why do you want to take away the liberty of Freemasons?

[kelly_2010]

what are you doing on this forum. Are you here just to ridicule people ? Go away.

lol.

[hold_that_thought]

What are you doing on this forum. Are you here just to ridicule people ? Go away.

You going to tell your mum?

[edelweiss pirate]

Why do you think it is unacceptable to initiate people into a 'secret' society?

Why do you think if someone is keeping something secret that automatically means they are doing something wrong? (were you parents a bit distant when you were little? lol.)

What are you saying is illegal about the above?

Why do you want to take away the liberty of Freemasons?

Because they bugger young boys and rape little girls.

Basically.

[michael_mac]

I visited the Knights of Saint John's headquarters in Saint John's street in the city of London and lo and behold, in the museum there was a picture of Mr Tony Robinson dressed in full regalia of the order.

So he's one of 'them' basically.

Why don't you go back and take a photograph or video clip and post it back here on this thread. How do you get into this Headquarters?

[hold_that_thought]

Because they bugger young boys and rape little girls.

Basically.

Is that restricted to masons then? Because I know someone who was abused by her father from 6 years old until 13 (when she had the courage to run and tell a teacher who then informed the police) by her father. Her mother (an alcoholic) refused until her death last year to believe her own daughter. Her father wasn't a mason. You spout stuff and have not one jot of fact to support your stuff.. It's simply emotive conjecture and story telling.

[edelweiss pirate]

Why don't you go back and take a photograph or video clip and post it back here on this thread. How do you get into this Headquarters?

They have open days every month.

There were a few piccies of celebs dressed up.

Right now it's closed though.


About Museum of the Order of St John

This 16thC gatehouse was formerly the southern entrance to the Priory of the Medieval Order of St John and contains furniture, painting, silver, coins and medals relating to the Knights' history. The 12thC Norman Crypt and the Grand Priory Church can be seen on the guided tour. Armour, manuscripts and religious art are among the treasures on display in the Museum. A new, interactive gallery uses multimedia exhibits to tell the story of St John's Ambulance, founded by the British Order of St John in 19thC.

The museum is closed for redevelopment until summer 2010.


http://www.visitlondon.com/attractions/detail/97368

[edelweiss pirate]

You spout stuff and have not one jot of fact to support your stuff.. It's simply emotive conjecture and story telling.

Nope. It isn't. I've met people who have told me personally. Usually the kids are farmed out to someone (another mason friend of the mother or father) who rapes them and initiates them into their egregor and way of thinking as children. I also know a mason who basically told a friend of mine that he can't trust himself alone with children.

BTW, don't get the wrong impression. This isn't a conversation. I don't want to talk to you in the least, reply back and I will simply ignore you. I find you and your sort repulsive beyond words.

Prolly better if I ignore your shit anyway.

[hold_that_thought]

Nope. It isn't. I've met people who have told me personally. Usually the kids are farmed out to someone (another mason friend of the mother or father) who rapes them and initiates them into their egregor and way of thinking as children. I also know a mason who basically told a friend of mine that he can't trust himself alone with children.

BTW, don't get the wrong impression. This isn't a conversation. I don't want to talk to you in the least, reply back and I will simply ignore you. I find you and your sort repulsive beyond words.

Prolly better if I ignore your shit anyway.


Oh? I thought you were spreading the word? You only preach to the converted? That's not good for PR.

[edelweiss pirate]

Oh? I thought you were spreading the word? You only preach to the converted? That's not good for PR.

You're given information. What you choose to do with it is your own affair.

I would obviously prefer you to find the truth in this life, that way we can all return to the stars together.

But if you want to grovel in the muck.... I won't lose any beauty sleep.

[steevo]

You going to tell your mum?

This forum is going to shit again.

[drhemp]

Can we stay on topic please as I've got better things to do than to wade through this thread deleting posts to clean it up.

[rodin]

curious that. a lot of his ilk seem to be new labourites, marxists, communists etc

by his ilk i mean of course media types:)
:D

[kelly_2010]

Because they bugger young boys and rape little girls.

Basically.

Yet again another unsubstantiated piece of so called 'leap of 'logic'' accusation.

You have EVIDENCE of this?

[kelly_2010]

This forum is going to shit again.

Well why don't you stop posting then. :D

And you could stop being off topic?

Now back to the evil Tony Robinson and his Mason agenda on Ch4 prog. last night.

[hey_jude]

Yet again another unsubstantiated piece of so called 'leap of 'logic'' accusation.

You have EVIDENCE of this?

http://stolenkids-thepress.blogspot.com/2009/05/paedophile-rings-how-secret-societies.html

...do some independent research and then come back and comment.

[kelly_2010]

I also know a mason who basically told a friend of mine that he can't trust himself alone with children.



And you did what about that SERIOUS allegation exactly?

[whizzer]

Pish of the highest order.

Aye wi' a wee jobby mason telling us their all about promoting happiness...pish right enough.

[kelly_2010]

http://stolenkids-thepress.blogspot.com/2009/05/paedophile-rings-how-secret-societies.html

...do some independent research and then come back and comment.


Allegations and evidence are not the same thing. Also, some Christians are pedos, does that mean all pedos are Christians, or that all Christians are pedos? Or neither is correct? Which would you answer?

You do not understand the inherent problem with your so called reasoning.

[hey_jude]

Allegations and evidence are not the same thing. Also, some Christians are pedos, does that mean all pedos are Christians, or that all Christians are pedos? Or neither is correct? Which would you answer?

You do not understand the inherent problem with your so called reasoning.

Don't tell me what I do or do not understand who do you think you are?
Eye-witness statements can convict you in any court of law! A sworn testimony is EVIDENCE .

Do you have children?
Are you a freemason?
Are you a paedophile?

[edelweiss pirate]

And you did what about that SERIOUS allegation exactly?

My friend stopped letting them baby sit his 1 year old daughter for a start.


They're friends of his ex girfriends, she's a pagan from Denmark with some very dodgy connections. It's hard for my friend because she is the child's mother.

What would you suggest we do about it?

[rodin]

Robinson shot to fame in

Blackadder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

written by Ben Elton, Mr Bean and the hugely successful Richard Curtiss, latter married to Sigmund Freud's great grand daughter

small world

[kelly_2010]

Don't tell me what I do or do not understand who do you think you are?
Eye-witness statements can convict you in any court of law! A sworn testimony is EVIDENCE .

Do you have children?
Are you a freemason?
Are you a paedophile?

Again you have misunderstood.

Evidence is NOT proof.

Eye witness statements are NOT proof.

It may shock you but people do lie, have false memories, are VERY easily persuaded to make statements which are not true.

BTW, you should be far more careful what offensive questions and allegations you make on a public forum.

[hold_that_thought]

Don't tell me what I do or do not understand who do you think you are?
Eye-witness statements can convict you in any court of law! A sworn testimony is EVIDENCE .


Ahhhhhhhhnnn not entirely. Eye witness statements (in the UK at least) are not taken as empircal evidence and unlikey to be the sole or indeed considered to be totally reliable. The human memory isn't that brilliant, the mind uses triggers, it sees what makes sense. Therefore police don't use it UNLESS there are several witnesses that have been witness, and even then, ten people will give slightly different stories.
Swearing on something doesn't make it true however, no suggestion of deliberate falsifying, simply misinterpretation.


Do you have children?
Are you a freemason?
Are you a paedophile?

Yes, no, no..

Bizarre set of questions! :D

[kelly_2010]

My friend stopped letting them baby sit his 1 year old daughter for a start.


They're friends of his ex girfriends, she's a pagan from Denmark with some very dodgy connections. It's hard for my friend because she is the child's mother.



It's not hard to protect your own child. Why do you say in one breath that he stopped them from seeing his daughter (and before then you say she was baby sat by a self confessed pedo - and your friend did nothing about that?) and then next you say he couldn't do anything about it.

If the mother of your child uses a self confessed pedo as a baby sitter of course you do something about it!!!!!!

And he knew NOTHING about this BEFORE he had a child with her!!!! It's your friend, or your supposed story that sounds dodgy.

Since when did Pagans becomes the bad guys? :rolleyes:

[beldazar]

http://stolenkids-thepress.blogspot.com/2009/05/paedophile-rings-how-secret-societies.html

...do some independent research and then come back and comment.

Well said Hey Jude, well said!

It's very draining to the whole of the forum when people come on simply to scoff at this and the other simply because it doesn't fit into their previous understandings.
This is one thing that pisses me off about this forum.
If anyone comes across any kind of information which goes against their norm of thinking, why don't they step back a bit and actually look into it. :confused:

[kelly_2010]

Robinson shot to fame in

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackadder

written by Ben Elton, Mr Bean and the hugely successful Richard Curtiss, latter married to Sigmund Freud's great grand daughter

small world

AHA!!!!! The evil pentagroup is complete. :rolleyes:

[hey_jude]

Again you have misunderstood.

Evidence is NOT proof.

Eye witness statements are NOT proof.

It may shock you but people do lie, have false memories, are VERY easily persuaded to make statements which are not true.

BTW, you should be far more careful what offensive questions and allegations you make on a public forum.

Don't tell me how to think - I was a victim of child abuse ...you have mentioned lying, false memories and persuation in connection with children being abused. You seem a very cold fish to me.
Do you have any empathy at all? Are all children liars?

YOU DIDN'T ANSWER MY QUESTIONS!

BTW you are a sample aren't you ...your thinly veiled threat about being more careful what offensive questions?
What allegations? Read Ickes books you fool he names them :p

[kelly_2010]

It's very draining to the whole of the forum when people come on simply to scoff at this and the other simply because it doesn't fit into their previous understandings.


You are actually describing the very people you are supporting!

[hey_jude]

...has the checker board all over it!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/jersey/7264169.stm

[hold_that_thought]

Well said Hey Jude, well said!

If anyone comes across any kind of information which goes against their norm of thinking, why don't they step back a bit and actually look into it. :confused:

Belazar, equally I take exception to having variously been called a schill, a mason, a CIA, MI5, MOSSAD agent! A NWO stooge. I haven't yet been called a reptillian, but there's time. You would make a valid point but unfortunately when ever evidence FACTS are asked for, the enquirey is met with disdain, contempt, derison, almost as if the enquirer isn't worth replying to.. I'm a reasonably intelligent guy, but I don't respond well to 'It's true because I say so'. Thats what petulant teenagers say when they can't get their own way.

[beldazar]

You are actually describing the very people you are supporting!

no i'm describing you hun

[kelly_2010]

Don't tell me how to think - I was a victim of child abuse ...you have mentioned lying, false memories and persuation in connection with children being abused. You seem a very cold fish to me.
Do you have any empathy at all? Are all children liars?
What allegations? Read Ickes books you fool he names them :p

Well, if Icke says it's true it must be. :rolleyes: lol.

Are you saying NO ONE EVER LIES? According to you we should just throw law out of the window and convict everyone who is accused - regardless of the evidence or proof? WTF? What kind of world do you live in?

You want a world where people are guilty simply because they are accused.

And whether or not you were abused does not give you divine right to judge the whole world over child abuse.

You are talking about allegations without any proof - on a massive scale no less!!!!

Everything I have said about false memories etc. can be independently researched (how about you take some of your own advice and check out some!!!)

BTW you are a sample aren't you ...your thinly veiled threat about being more careful what offensive questions?


You asked the question,

Are you a paedophile?

That is offensive.

[edelweiss pirate]

It's not hard to protect your own child. Why do you say in one breath that he stopped them from seeing his daughter (and before then you say she was baby sat by a self confessed pedo - and your friend did nothing about that?) and then next you say he couldn't do anything about it.

If the mother of your child uses a self confessed pedo as a baby sitter of course you do something about it!!!!!!

And he knew NOTHING about this BEFORE he had a child with her!!!! It's your friend, or your supposed story that sounds dodgy.

Since when did Pagans becomes the bad guys? :rolleyes:

Pointless conversation. So now you're trying to get one up on me over my mates daughter and the fact that it is very hard for the man in a separated couple to know exactly where the mother of his child takes her all the time.

Especially when she's a shifty little pagan who says one thing and does quite another.

I will suggest that my friend call social services...... but it would probably back fire on him. Because of the way you devils have the cards all stacked in your favour.

Anyway, welcome to my ignore list. You're a most unpleasant character.



If the mother of your child uses a self confessed pedo as a baby sitter of course you do something about it!!!!!!

It's one of her friends you moron.

[beldazar]

Belazar, equally I take exception to having variously been called a schill, a mason, a CIA, MI5, MOSSAD agent! A NWO stooge. I haven't yet been called a reptillian, but there's time. You would make a valid point but unfortunately when ever evidence FACTS are asked for, the enquirey is met with disdain, contempt, derison, almost as if the enquirer isn't worth replying to.. I'm a reasonably intelligent guy, but I don't respond well to 'It's true because I say so'. Thats what petulant teenagers say when they can't get their own way.


Maybe it's the way you come across. There are so many people who aren't in the slightest enquiring about something, they are already geared up to ridicule any information put in front of them to defend their ego's.

The question is....are you and Kelly really interested in finding out why some people have come to the conclusions they have or are you just having fun taking the piss?
It makes a big difference and if you are genuinely interested then perhaps understand that some people have been on the forum a long time and have probably got fed up to the teeth coming across yet someone else with cognitive dissonance.

It's very draining

[kelly_2010]

I will suggest that my friend call social services...... but it would probably back fire on him. Because of the way you devils have the cards all stacked in your favour.


What eh??? 'you devils'? and who are these devils?

Or is that the 'shifty little pagans' you refer to in you post?:rolleyes:

[hey_jude]

Well, if Icke says it's true it must be. :rolleyes: lol.

I said he names them - your deductions are stupid - still no sympathy for genuine victims then?



Are you saying NO ONE EVER LIES? According to you we should just throw law out of the window and convict everyone who is accused - regardless of the evidence or proof? WTF? What kind of world do you live in?

I live in a world where people like you exist!

You want a world where people are guilty simply because they are accused.

...again I never said that

And whether or not you were abused does not give you divine right to judge the whole world over child abuse.

...now you're just talking out of your arse!

You are talking about allegations without any proof - on a massive scale no less!!!!

I have just served on a Jury in England and it was also a paedophile case - in the Judges' directions he told us that the little girls testimony was evidence so you are disagreeing with a Judge not just me! We couple her testimony with the other evidence and we convicted the paedo!

Everything I have said about false memories etc. can be independently researched (how about you take some of your own advice and check out some!!!)

...still plenty of sympathy for the victims of real abuse I see - I guess in your mind it just doesn't exist.



You asked the question ...Are you a paedophile?

That is offensive.

This is intrusive is what you mean!

[mrs houdini]

:p:p:p:p:D:D:DI'd like to thank Tony Robinson for his thorough and in-depth investigation into Freemasonary.

It is rare these days to see a program where the presenter is so fearless and so incisive in his questioning.

Tony left no stone unturned and for this we should all be grateful.

I will sleep easier tonight knowing there is nothing to see here and I can move along.

He should get an award for one of investigative journalisms finest hours.

Big thumbs up.

[kelly_2010]

The question is....are you and Kelly really interested in finding out why some people have come to the conclusions they have or are you just having fun taking the piss?


1. Why do you think you have the right to judge that about ANY posters on the Icke boards?

2. Just because people have come to conclusions it doesn't make them right - no matter how long it took them to come to the wrong conclusions they are still the wrong conclusions!

3. Most people get easily offended on the Icke boards because they take EVERYTHING too seriously.


It makes a big difference and if you are genuinely interested then perhaps understand that some people have been on the forum a long time and have probably got fed up to the teeth coming across yet someone else with cognitive dissonance.

It's very draining

Being on the forum for a long time does not give anyone a head start on being treated differently over the same debate. The issue doesn't change because of that.

You say you want to understand, to think, not to jump to conclusions but then you say that you become drained over cognitive dissonance - in others. Actually the way you have written doesn't make sense regarding the theory of cognitive dissonance, as actually that should have been applied to yourself, or your comment should have been written differently. However, it is cognitive dissonance that is causing people like you and Hey Jude to jump to bad judgments in an attempt to resolve your mental conflicts.

[kelly_2010]

I have just served on a Jury in England and it was also a paedophile case - in the Judges' directions he told us that the little girls testimony was evidence so you are disagreeing with a Judge not just me! We couple her testimony with the other evidence and we convicted the paedo!



You are an example of why random jury selection is wrong and VERY flawed.

And you hadn't decided the pedo was guilty before hearing the case, no of course you didn't, as you are a child abuse victim yourself. :rolleyes:

So what about all the people you claim are being framed by the Masons as pedos who are innocent? And as you and others claim on here, they use children to make false statements to put their enemies away - what about those statements?

Just about most of what you post is offensive actually.

[hey_jude]

1. Why do you think you have the right to judge that about ANY posters on the Icke boards?

2. Just because people have come to conclusions it doesn't make them right - no matter how long it took them to come to the wrong conclusions they are still the wrong conclusions!

3. Most people get easily offended on the Icke boards because they take EVERYTHING too seriously.

Being on the forum for a long time does not give anyone a head start on being treated differently over the same debate. The issue doesn't change because of that.

You say you want to understand, to think, not to jump to conclusions but then you say that you become drained over cognitive dissonance - in others. Actually the way you have written doesn't make sense regarding the theory of cognitive dissonance, as actually that should have been applied to yourself, or your comment should have been written differently. However, it is cognitive dissonance that is causing people like you and Hey Jude to jump to bad judgments in an attempt to resolve your mental conflicts.

FFS - have you read your own posts :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[hold_that_thought]

I said he names them - your deductions are stupid - still no sympathy for genuine victims then?

!

Jude..

Neither Kelly or any sane person would suggest support for paedophiles. Having sympathy for victims isn't productive. No-one, knows how anyone else feels about anything. You say you were a victim, do I feel 'sorry' for you? Of course not.. feeling sorry or gushing sympathy is a patronising and demeaning action.. If you wanted to talk about how you felt, to be angry, to cry, to vent your feelings though with a non judgemental person who would offer you all the time in the world-THAT is empathy. A huge difference.

Similarly suggesting that Kelly (a woman) or I are masons is ludicrous. you also must be aware of cases where perfectly innocent men have been accused of interfering with children... Has been one very recently of a disabled man who was accused by two lying ten year olds girls...In spite of the police printing leaflets saying he had no case to answer, he was hounded and abused until he died of a heart attack..Children AND adults lie. Nothing to do with masons.

[hey_jude]

You are an example of why random jury selection is wrong and VERY flawed.

And you hadn't decided the pedo was guilty before hearing the case, no of course you didn't, as you are a child abuse victim yourself. :rolleyes:

So what about all the people you claim are being framed by the Masons as pedos who are innocent? And as you and others claim on here, they use children to make false statements to put their enemies away - what about those statements?

Just about most of what you post is offensive actually.

All of your post is very offensive to me!

...you have accussed me of lying and not doing my civil duty correctly.
When in fact, I went into court especially careful of not jumping to conclusions. I was mortified when I was allocated the case as I wanted to be objective and we all were as the man's freedom and reputation was at risk - still he was found guilty and convicted as a paedo - tuff shit!

[kelly_2010]

Jude..

Neither Kelly or any sane person would suggest support for paedophiles. Having sympathy for victims isn't productive. No-one, knows how anyone else feels about anything. ...

Similarly suggesting that Kelly (a woman) or I are masons is ludicrous. you also must be aware of cases where perfectly innocent men have been accused of interfering with children... Has been one very recently of a disabled man who was accused by two lying ten year olds girls...In spite of the police printing leaflets saying he had no case to answer, he was hounded and abused until he died of a heart attack..Children AND adults lie. Nothing to do with masons.

Well said.

[kelly_2010]

...the man's freedom and reputation was at risk - still he was found guilty and convicted as a paedo - tuff shit!

And you call that being objective. :rolleyes:

[beldazar]

Hit a nerve have I Kelly?

GOOD!

[steevo]

It's very draining

It is.
Makes me wanna keep away from this forum. Those people dont want to discuss the subject, they want to force their views onto us, and if we dont accept it, they continue pushing their views onto us (via ridicule) unless we just stop replying to them - It's a complete waste of time. Maybe they are doing me a favour! Gives me more time to get some leaflets printed i suppose, so there IS a positive about all this.

[hold_that_thought]

All of your post is very offensive to me!

...you have accussed me of lying and not doing my civil duty correctly.
When in fact, I went into court especially careful of not jumping to conclusions. I was mortified when I was allocated the case as I wanted to be objective and we all were as the man's freedom and reputation was at risk - still he was found guilty and convicted as a paedo - tuff shit!

Then when you were sworn in with the other jurers and the case opened, you could have taken the opportunity to let the clerk of the court know you may have a conflict of interest..If the defendent subsequently found out he might have an outside chance of calling a miss-trial.

[beldazar]

It is.
Makes me wanna keep away from this forum. Those people dont want to discuss the subject, they want to force their views onto us, and if we dont accept it, they continue pushing their views onto us (via ridicule) unless we just stop replying to them - It's a complete waste of time. Maybe they are doing me a favour! Gives me more time to get some leaflets printed i suppose, so there IS a positive about all this.

Thanks Steevo, the first time someone has found something positive about the whole charade.

All I see are people trying to prevent others from awakening.

I mean FFS!! Aren't we all in this together?

[kelly_2010]

Hit a nerve have I Kelly?

GOOD!

What eh? :confused:

What are you referring to?

Btw, how come you now revel in what you think is 'hitting a nerve' but you complain when others 'hit a nerve' with you, and you have even said in your post above that if anyone does that they simply aren't taking the issue seriously enough? tut tut Bel :D

You didn't reply to my cognitive dissonance reply (you raised the issue!), don't you understand the theory?

[steevo]

What eh? :confused:

What are you referring to?

Btw, how come you now revel in what you think is 'hitting a nerve' but you complain when others 'hit a nerve' with you, and you have even said in your post above that if anyone does that they simply aren't taking the issue seriously enough? tut tut Bel :D

You didn't reply to my cognitive dissonance reply (you raised the issue!), don't you understand the theory?

If I was you Bel, i wouldnt waste my time with this crap.

[kelly_2010]

It is.
Makes me wanna keep away from this forum. Those people dont want to discuss the subject, they want to force their views onto us, and if we dont accept it, they continue pushing their views onto us (via ridicule) unless we just stop replying to them - It's a complete waste of time. Maybe they are doing me a favour! Gives me more time to get some leaflets printed i suppose, so there IS a positive about all this.

You have posted many, many, many times on the Icke forums that you feel unhealthy, unhappy, drained, negative etc. every time you come to the forums. Seriously, why do you keep posting then? Or even reading stuff that makes you feel that way?

There really is no point in you doing that if it makes you feel THAT bad.

[steevo]

You have posted many, many, many times on the Icke forums that you feel unhealthy, unhappy, drained, negative etc. every time you come to the forums. Seriously, why do you keep posting then? Or even reading stuff that makes you feel that way?

There really is no point in you doing that if it makes you feel THAT bad.

tut :rolleyes:

[kelly_2010]

Then when you were sworn in with the other jurers and the case opened, you could have taken the opportunity to let the clerk of the court know you may have a conflict of interest..If the defendent subsequently found out he might have an outside chance of calling a miss-trial.

She probably made the whole thing up to 'back up' her previous posts in the thread. :rolleyes:

[hey_jude]

Jude..

Neither Kelly or any sane person would suggest support for paedophiles. Having sympathy for victims isn't productive. No-one, knows how anyone else feels about anything. You say you were a victim, do I feel 'sorry' for you? Of course not.. feeling sorry or gushing sympathy is a patronising and demeaning action.. If you wanted to talk about how you felt, to be angry, to cry, to vent your feelings though with a non judgemental person who would offer you all the time in the world-THAT is empathy. A huge difference.

Similarly suggesting that Kelly (a woman) or I are masons is ludicrous. you also must be aware of cases where perfectly innocent men have been accused of interfering with children... Has been one very recently of a disabled man who was accused by two lying ten year olds girls...In spite of the police printing leaflets saying he had no case to answer, he was hounded and abused until he died of a heart attack..Children AND adults lie. Nothing to do with masons.

What rot!
I have not asked for sympathy - I mentioned empathy in a previous post. I'm talking about the abuse of little kids and you are discussing semantics!!!

Kelly may be a woman (paedos can be women too) I did not accuse her of being one but she did refuse to answer my question.
...of course I know of fraudulent cases - so hey lets have no more accusations because we just can't trust kids and the awful lies they tell :rolleyes: - are you for real :(

However, SHE has ACCUSED me of being biased in a court of law. And a lack of being of objective after the fact - WTF

[hey_jude]

Then when you were sworn in with the other jurers and the case opened, you could have taken the opportunity to let the clerk of the court know you may have a conflict of interest..If the defendent subsequently found out he might have an outside chance of calling a miss-trial.

Oh how quick of you to pick up on that - I and two others spoke to the Judge and he did not agree, one man was an abuse victim also and the other lived two streets away from the victim - the Judge ruled only people connected with the local child services had a reason to be dismissed from the case :p

[hey_jude]

She probably made the whole thing up to 'back up' her previous posts in the thread. :rolleyes:

This post beggars belief :eek:

[hold_that_thought]

Oh how quick of you to pick up on that - I and two others spoke to the Judge and he did not agree, one man was an abuse victim also and the other lived two streets away from the victim - the Judge ruled only people connected with the local child services had a reason to be dismissed from the case :p

Fair enough... I was just pointing out the potential conflict of interest.

[kelly_2010]

What rot!
I have not asked for sympathy - I mentioned empathy in a previous post. I'm talking about the abuse of little kids and you are discussing semantics!!!

Kelly may be a woman (paedos can be women too)

Hold_that_thought pointed out what you said about saying you think I'm a MASON, not a pedo, :rolleyes: god woman, you have pedos on the brain!!!!!



I did not accuse her of being one but she did refuse to answer my question.



OOOOOOoooooo, I didn't answer your question!!!!! :rolleyes: So not answering a question makes someone guilty now does it? No wonder you made such a good juror. LOL :rolleyes:



...of course I know of fraudulent cases - so hey lets have no more accusations because we just can't trust kids and the awful lies they tell


So why don't you tell us about those, for a balanced argument. After all you're not biased are you? :rolleyes:


However, SHE has ACCUSED me of being biased in a court of law. And a lack of being of objective after the fact - WTF

You were/are biased. You were an abuse victim in a jury over a child abuse case. If you say you're not biased you are lying - either wittingly or unwittingly - but it's still lying on your part.

[hold_that_thought]

What rot!
I have not asked for sympathy - I mentioned empathy in a previous post. I'm talking about the abuse of little kids and you are discussing semantics!!!


No sympathy from me Jude... wrong person. As I said.

Kelly may be a woman (paedos can be women too) I did not accuse her of being one but she did refuse to answer my question.
...of course I know of fraudulent cases - so hey lets have no more accusations because we just can't trust kids and the awful lies they tell :rolleyes: - are you for real :(

So, are you agreeing or not? You accept some children (and no doubt egged on by parents) lie about 'the odd bloke down the street', and often school teachers--Ever considered why some school have NEVER had a male teacher? It isn't because the schools wouldn't like one I can assure you.

[kelly_2010]

Originally Posted by hey_jude
Oh how quick of you to pick up on that - I and two others spoke to the Judge and he did not agree, one man was an abuse victim also and the other lived two streets away from the victim - the Judge ruled only people connected with the local child services had a reason to be dismissed from the case

Geez, that man, guilty or not, was going away before the case started.

IF, and that is a big IF, that is true, that man's lawyers were shit and England has a really bad justice system.

Hey, here's a good idea for a fair trial, use the victim's family members as jurors. :rolleyes:

[hey_jude]

Hold_that_thought pointed out what you said about saying you think I'm a MASON, not a pedo, :rolleyes: god woman, you have pedos on the brain!!!!!



OOOOOOoooooo, I didn't answer your question!!!!! :rolleyes: So not answering a question makes someone guilty now does it? No wonder you made such a good juror. LOL :rolleyes:



You were/are biased. You were an abuse victim in a jury over a child abuse case. If you say you're not biased you are lying - either wittingly or unwittingly - but it's still lying on your part.

:D:D:D: where exactly do you get off - no, on second thoughts I don't want to know!
You have now appointed yourself higher than the judge in court - he thought me and the other guy unbiased because we raised the idea we might not try the case fairly - he deduced that caution on our part made us fit to serve objectively :D:D:D:

[kelly_2010]

This post beggars belief :eek:

So now you're saying that it is unbelievable to suggest you could be lying?

You think you are BEYOND LYING? LOL.

Have you ever lied in your life Jude?

[hey_jude]

Geez, that man, guilty or not, was going away before the case started.

IF, and that is a big IF, that is true, that man's lawyers were shit and England has a really bad justice system.

Hey, here's a good idea for a fair trial, use the victim's family members as jurors. :rolleyes:

I ask you 3 questions and you say that is offensive.

Yet you call me a liar repeatedly - :D

[kelly_2010]

:D:D:D: where exactly do you get off - no, on second thoughts I don't want to know!


More offensive innuendo. You enjoy that kind of talk don't you. It has no place regarding the topic being discussed - in particular child abuse and child abuse cases. I suggest you refrain from that kind of innuendo regarding this topic.


You have now appointed yourself higher than the judge in court - he thought me and the other guy unbiased because we raised the idea we might not try the case fairly - he deduced that caution on our part made us fit to serve objectively :D:D:D:

Why the multiple grinning smilies Jude - looks like you think you got away with something by being on that jury - maybe getting a bit of your own back?

That IS biased.

I think the lady doth protest too much.

[kelly_2010]

I ask you 3 questions and you say that is offensive.

Yet you call me a liar repeatedly - :D

I think this debate is over, you're not even discussing anything now Jude - you're just posting crap.

Ended.

[hey_jude]

More offensive innuendo. You enjoy that kind of talk don't you. It has no place regarding the topic being discussed - in particular child abuse and child abuse cases. I suggest you refrain from that kind of innuendo regarding this topic.


Why the multiple grinning smilies Jude - looks like you think you got away with something by being on that jury - maybe getting a bit of your own back?

That IS biased.

I think the lady doth protest too much.

:D I think you are not a lady at all. :D

[gizmocrystal]

It's called entertainment. :rolleyes:

Maybe you should try BBC3, they might tell you the secrets of the universe. :rolleyes:


Excuse me i have a right to my opinion and why single me out???:mad:

[hey_jude]

Excuse me i have a right to my opinion and why single me out???:mad:

You're not singled out mate kelly_2010 is a protagonist and has a billy-one-mate tagging along ...here's one thread it made earlier ...fucking boring, I think you have to be a mason to understand it!

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=96211

[gizmocrystal]

Well, if Icke says it's true it must be. :rolleyes: lol.


Pray tell, why are you on a forum where people discuss and debate alternate views.

I think alot of us know that Dans Browns books are basically fiction with elements of truth in them, it is up to us to decide which bits we believe and to discuss and research.

Unlike most people we are not easily manipulated, and research things.

And most of us do not follow EVERYTHING David Icke says

[justnotsure]

This thread feels like one of those fights in the playground when a couple of bullies start picking on some kids who were playing nicely.

Anyway getting back to the programme, I admit I only watched the first half an hour but it seemed incredibly lame to me . I have not read the book but the programme was trying to find out whether any of the theories in the book were true and to do this it went to a "spokesman" for British freemasonry (is that the right title) he said "No, we are just a harmless secret society who believe in ancient wisdom.". They looked at a big building with lots of imagery and concluded that British freemasonry was harmless.

Now I have no idea if it is harmless or not but I think I would have rooted out a couple of people with opposing views or views that agreed with Dan Brown's and see what evidence they had.

[morning]

I just want to say I watched this program, and after a little while I had to turn it off. This was a stinking pile of poop. Tony whatever-his-name-is was constantly smirking as if everything was a big joke, and even at times looking as though he was refraining from laughing out loud. This could have been an insightful documentary into a deeply important aspect of history, but it was only made to decieve. This wasn't a documentary, it was a whitewash. I also should say that the writing was bloody awful, to the point that clearly there is serious bias going on. At no point, while Tony walked around the grand Mason building in London, did he wonder...hmmm...where'd all the money come from to build and maintain such a bloody elaborate, decadent building? In London!? There wasn't even any mention of this. Ridiculous.

[drhemp]

Can we please stay on topic; this thread is about Dan Brown's new book and the show on C4 the other day.

[michael_mac]

I just want to say I watched this program, and after a little while I had to turn it off. This was a stinking pile of poop. Tony whatever-his-name-is was constantly smirking as if everything was a big joke, and even at times looking as though he was refraining from laughing out loud. This could have been an insightful documentary into a deeply important aspect of history, but it was only made to decieve. This wasn't a documentary, it was a whitewash. I also should say that the writing was bloody awful, to the point that clearly there is serious bias going on. At no point, while Tony walked around the grand Mason building in London, did he wonder...hmmm...where'd all the money come from to build and maintain such a bloody elaborate, decadent building? In London!? There wasn't even any mention of this. Ridiculous.


Seems like Tony Robinson is a Masonic Shill Lol...:confused:

Open Your Mind - Illuminati Symbolism - YouTube

Why didn't he ask the bloke in the London Temple what all the weird pictures were on the walls and why in the 21st Century , if it doesn't mean anything???, why people still want to join the Masons?

[tb303]

Another Robinson whitewash?

http://www.channel4.com/culture/microsites/C/can_you_believe_it/debates/doomsday.html