***Earth could plunge into Sudden Ice Age***

[mysticmolly]

Earth could plunge into Sudden Ice Age

‘Big Freeze’ about 12,800 years ago happened
within months

"Starting roughly 12,800 years ago," the article continues, "the Northern Hemisphere was gripped by a chill that lasted some 1,300 years. Known by scientists as the Younger Dryas and nicknamed the "Big Freeze," geological evidence suggests it was brought on when a vast pulse of fresh water — a greater volume than all of North America's Great Lakes combined — poured into the Atlantic and Arctic Oceans."

The article goes on to describe how temperatures plummeted "over the course of a few months, or a year or two at most," as North America's glacial Lake Agassiz burst its banks, diluting warmer water in the North Atlantic.

http://www.iceagenow.com/Earth_could_plunge_into_sudden_ice_age.htm

http://noconsensus.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/historical-temperature.jpg

Ice cores show that the Earth is only warm for about 10,000 years out of every 100,000 years and that ice ages come on suddenly taking only months or a few years to kick in. (Note CO2 concentration always follows temperature rises and therefore does not cause them.)

In this thread, I will show you how this is possibly happening now ...

[mysticmolly]

Mini ice age took hold of Europe in months


JUST months - that's how long it took for Europe to be engulfed by an ice age. The scenario, which comes straight out of Hollywood blockbuster The Day After Tomorrow, was revealed by the most precise record of the climate from palaeohistory ever generated.


Around 12,800 years ago the northern hemisphere was hit by the Younger Dryas mini ice age, or "Big Freeze". It was triggered by the slowdown of the Gulf Stream, led to the decline of the Clovis culture in North America, and lasted around 1300 years.


Until now, it was thought that the mini ice age took a decade or so to take hold, on the evidence provided by Greenland ice cores. Not so, say William Patterson of the University of Saskatchewan in Saskatoon, Canada, and his colleagues.


http://www.newscientist.com/article/...in-months.html


http://www.iceagenow.com/Medieval%20Warm%20Period1.jpg

[mysticmolly]

Record High Antarctic Ice Levels Ignored by Media

NewsBusters reported Sunday that the media's fascination with record low ice in the Arctic ignored history while relying on satellite data that's only been around since 1979.

At the same time, the press have totally boycotted news from the Southern Hemisphere where ice and snow levels are currently at their highest since data have been collected.

Pretty convenient wouldn't you agree?

More at including graphs etc ....

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/09/12/record-antarctic-ice-levels-ignored-media

The above is a few years old but this selective use of data is still going on.


And the only reason that little bit of Antarctica that is melting, is doing so, is because it has an active volcano under it which they conveniently don't tell you about.

http://perspect.siuc.edu/04_fall/volcano.html

[dreamweaver]

Well, yes, it could plunge into an Ice Age at any time. The interglacials generally last about 10,000 years and we're pretty much at that now, so a new Ice Age is due.

But nobody knows precisely when one will happen. Anyone making firm predictions of an imminent Ice Age is just as full of shit as those who are predicting imminent catastrophic global warming.

An Ice Age is more likely than a global melt in the long run though.

[mysticmolly]

I'm not making any firm prediction just showing you the current evidence that it maybe in the process of happening?

[mysticmolly]

Temperature Monitors Report Wide scale Global Cooling

Twelve-month long drop in world temperatures wipes out a century of warming

Over the past year, anecdotal evidence for a cooling planet has exploded. China has its coldest winter in 100 years. Baghdad sees its first snow in all recorded history. North America has the most snowcover in 50 years, with places like Wisconsin the highest since record-keeping began. Record levels of Antarctic sea ice, record cold in Minnesota, Texas, Florida, Mexico, Australia, Iran, Greece, South Africa, Greenland, Argentina, Chile -- the list goes on and on.

http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/7390_hadcrut.jpg

http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Worldwide+Global+Cooli ng/article10866.htm

[mysticmolly]

Turns out that in the U.S., 1934 was a bit hotter than 1998. Which matters not a whit for global temperatures, but it's worth reading the story below before the spin machine gears up. Mr. Limbaugh has already started.


"1934, not 1998, the hottest year on record, NASA confirms,"

http://www.grist.org/article/unspun-climate-numbers/

[sofa king]

then we all die.

people may be able to survive for a few months at most.

[mysticmolly]

The below image shows you how reduce Solar Activity, like we have been having, goes hand and hand with increased volcanic activity and causes global cooling.

http://www.hourofthetime.com/wordpresstest/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/global-temp-chart-2500bc-2040ad.gif

[bush doctor]

Earth could plunge into Sudden Ice Age

‘Big Freeze’ about 12,800 years ago happened
within months

"Starting roughly 12,800 years ago," the article continues, "the Northern Hemisphere was gripped by a chill that lasted some 1,300 years. Known by scientists as the Younger Dryas and nicknamed the "Big Freeze," geological evidence suggests it was brought on when a vast pulse of fresh water — a greater volume than all of North America's Great Lakes combined — poured into the Atlantic and Arctic Oceans."

The article goes on to describe how temperatures plummeted "over the course of a few months, or a year or two at most," as North America's glacial Lake Agassiz burst its banks, diluting warmer water in the North Atlantic.

http://www.iceagenow.com/Earth_could_plunge_into_sudden_ice_age.htm

http://noconsensus.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/historical-temperature.jpg

Ice cores show that the Earth is only warm for about 10,000 years out of every 100,000 years and that ice ages come on suddenly taking only months or a few years to kick in.

In this thread, I will show you how this is possibly happening now ...

The speed change in the north western hemisphere can and has evolved very quickly indeed, with an increase in melt water entering the area of sea that the Atlantic conveyor "Gulf stream" uses will on a decrease of salinity that is needed to keep the conveyor effect going will shut off, as the salinity decreases the warmer waters cannot sink and continue the cycle,when this happens north west Europe will freeze again


When most of us think about Ice Ages, we imagine a slow transition into a colder climate on long time scales. Indeed, studies of the past million years indicate a repeatable cycle of Earth’s climate going from warm periods (“interglacial”, as we are experiencing now) to glacial conditions.

The period of these shifts are related to changes in the tilt of Earth’s rotational axis (41,000 years), changes in the orientation of Earth’s elliptical orbit around the sun, called the “precession of the equinoxes” (23,000 years), and to changes in the shape (more round or less round) of the elliptical orbit (100,000 years). The theory that orbital shifts caused the waxing and waning of ice ages was first pointed out by James Croll in the 19th Century and developed more fully by Milutin Milankovitch in 1938.


http://www.whoi.edu/page.do?pid=12455&tid=282&cid=10046

[mysticmolly]

then we all die.

people may be able to survive for a few months at most.

That's a bit extreme, some people in the tropics will be just fine. The temperature around the equator only drops a few degrees.

The problem is food production will crash and if you are closer to either pole, you are likely to have trouble surviving for sure.

[mysticmolly]

The speed change in the north western hemisphere can and has evolved very quickly indeed, with an increase in melt water entering the area of sea that the Atlantic conveyor "Gulf stream" uses will on a decrease of salinity that is needed to keep the conveyor effect going will shut off, as the salinity decreases the warmer waters cannot sink and continue the cycle,when this happens north west Europe will freeze again


Alarm over dramatic weakening of Gulf Stream

The powerful ocean current that bathes Britain and northern Europe in warm waters from the tropics has weakened dramatically in recent years.

Researchers on a scientific expedition in the Atlantic Ocean measured the strength of the current between Africa and the east coast of America and found that the circulation has slowed by 30% since a previous expedition 12 years ago.

The current, which drives the Gulf Stream, delivers the equivalent of 1m power stations-worth of energy to northern Europe, propping up temperatures by 10C in some regions. The researchers found that the circulation has weakened by 6m tonnes of water a second. Previous expeditions to check the current flow in 1957, 1981 and 1992 found only minor changes in its strength, although a slowing was picked up in a further expedition in 1998. The decline prompted the scientists to set up a £4.8m network of moored instruments in the Atlantic to monitor changes in the current continuously.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2005/dec/01/science.climatechange

[dreamweaver]

I'm not making any firm prediction just showing you the current evidence that it maybe in the process of happening?

Ah, you're preaching to the converted Molly. I'm already aware of that - and about 1934 being the warmest year in the US. :)

It may indeed be happening - it's certainly overdue. I just hope the sunspot cycle picks up again soon - but not before the AGW tards have been completely discredited and brought to justice.

[mysticmolly]

VOLCANIC ACTIVITY HAS
INCREASED BY 500% SINCE 1975


The Russian National Academy of Sciences reports that overall volcanic activity has increased 500 percent since 1975. For the most part, these facts are going unreported in the United States - except at the University of Buffalo (UB) where a group of scientists working under Dr. Ellen Goldbaum, Dr. Michael Mandeville and John Donarummo, Jr., a UB doctoral candidate in the UB Department of Geology, have been developing a body of research with conclusions similar to those reached by scientists at the Russian National Academy of Sciences.


This increase in volcanic activity parallels a similar and very ominous increase in natural disasters of all types - hurricanes, typhoons, tidal waves, etc. - since 1973 (an increase of 410 %).


http://www.antipasministries.com/other/article002.htm

[sofa king]

That's a bit extreme, some people in the tropics will be just fine. The temperature around the equator only drops a few degrees.

The problem is food production will crash and if you are closer to either pole, you are likely to have trouble surviving for sure.


cooling a few degrees is one thing, a sudden climate change to an ice age will result in mass extermination of most mammals

[mysticmolly]

PUERTO MONTT
Chile,

May 9 (Reuters)

http://www.antipasministries.com/images/jpeg/image163.jpg

The above photo is of a volcano in Chile which erupted this week after being dormant for 9,000 years. Pictured is an exceedingly rare 'dirty thunderstorm.' Scientists are not entirely certain what causes these dirty thunderstorms, but regardless of what causes them, they are terrifying.
One is reminded of Exodus 19:16, 18:

"On the morning of the third day there were thunders and lightnings and a thick cloud on the mountain and a very loud trumpet blast, so that all the people in the camp trembled...Now Mount Sinai was wrapped in smoke because the Lord had descended on it in fire. The smoke of it went up like the smoke of a kiln, and the whole mountain trembled greatly."

Ash drifted as far as Buenos Aires and towns in Argentine Patagonia were badly affected. "We keep cleaning, but still everything gets dirty at the same time. The dust and ash gets everywhere," said a hotel employee named Alejandra.


http://www.antipasministries.com/other/article002.htm

[mysticmolly]

Solar geomagnetic activity is at an all time low
– what does this mean for climate?

At a time when many predicted a ramp up in solar activity, the sun remains in a funk, spotless and quiet.

Why is this important? Well, if Svensmark is right, and Galactic Cosmic Rays modulated by the sun’s magnetic field make a change in cloud cover on Earth, increasing it during low solar magnetic activity, we are in for some colder times.

http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/ap-noaa-dec2009.png?w=510&h=389

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/09/solar-geomagnetic-activity-is-at-an-all-time-low-what-does-this-mean-for-climate/

[mysticmolly]

Shutdown of Thermohaline Circulation

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/Thermohaline_Circulation_2.png/320px-Thermohaline_Circulation_2.png


In May 2005, Peter Wadhams reported to The Times about the results of investigations in a submarine under the Arctic ice sheet measuring the giant chimneys of cold dense water, in which the cold dense water normally sinks down to the sea bed and is replaced by warm water, forming one of the engines of the North Atlantic Drift. He and his team found the chimneys to have virtually disappeared. Normally there are seven to twelve giant columns, but Wadhams found only two giant columns, both extremely weak.

Shutdown of thermohaline circulation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[mysticmolly]

Volcanoes Erupt Beneath Arctic Ice

By Jeanna Bryner, Senior Writer

27 June 2008

New evidence deep beneath the Arctic ice suggests a series of underwater volcanoes have erupted in violent explosions in the past decade.

Hidden 2.5 miles (4,000 meters) beneath the Arctic surface, the volcanoes are up to a mile (2,000 meters) in diameter and a few hundred yards tall. They formed along the Gakkel Ridge, a lengthy crack in the ocean crust where two rocky plates are spreading apart, pulling new melted rock to the surface.

Until now, scientists thought undersea volcanoes only dribbled lava from cracks in the seafloor. The extreme pressure from the overlying water makes it difficult for gas and magma to blast outward.

With news this week that polar ice is melting dramatically, underwater Arctic pyrotechnics might seem like a logical smoking gun. Scientists don't see any significant connection, however. (Yeah right!?)

"We don't believe the volcanoes had much effect on the overlying ice," Reeves-Sohn told LiveScience, "but they seem to have had a major impact on the overlying water column."

The eruptions discharge large amounts of carbon dioxide, helium, trace metals and heat into the water over long distances, he said.

http://www.livescience.com/environment/080627-sea-volcanoes.html

[mysticmolly]

Earth's Upper Atmosphere Cooling Dramatically

By Andrea Thompson
Senior Writer
posted: 17 December 2009

When the sun is relatively inactive — as it has been in recent years — the outermost layer of Earth's atmosphere cools dramatically, new observations find.

The sun has been in a particularly prolonged and deep solar minimum for the last couple of years, with fewer sunspots and solar storms erupting on its surface. When the sun is in this state, it also sends less energy out in the soft X-ray and extreme ultraviolet parts of its spectrum. These wavelengths of light have a significant impact on the thermosphere, where air molecules absorb their energy and the reradiate it in the form of infrared energy.

The TIMED mission measured both the amount of incoming solar energy in the thermosphere and the amount of energy being sent back out into space from the layer and found a significant decrease in both.

The temperature at this extreme solar minimum is likely a few degrees colder than in an average minimum but that small change can cause a large change in the density of the layer.

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/091217-agu-earth-atmosphere-cooling.html

[mysticmolly]

Volcanoes and Global Cooling

Among the more prominent theories of events that have triggered global climatic changes and lead to repeated glaciation are:

(1) known astronomical variations in the orbital elements of the Earth (the so-called Milankovitch theory);

(2) changes in energy output from the Sun;

(3) increases in volcanism that could have thrown more airborne volcanic material into the stratosphere, thereby creating a dust veil and lowered temperatures.

The years 1980, 1981, and 1982, for example, saw several major volcanic eruptions adding large quantities of particulate volcanic material and volatiles to the stratosphere, including the catastrophic eruption of Mount St. Helens, Washington, on May 18, 1980, and a large eruption of Mount Hekla, Iceland, on August 17, 1980. The 1982 series of eruptions from El Chichón volcano, Mexico, caused death and destruction in the populated area around the volcano, but a further reaching impact may result from the effect on Earth's climate because of the enormous ejection of volcanic material into the stratosphere.

The potential climatic effect of the Laki volcanic eruption in Iceland in 1783, the largest effusive (lava) volcanic eruption in historic time, was noted by the diplomat-scientist Benjamin Franklin in 1784, during one of his many sojourns in Paris. Franklin concluded that the introduction of large quantities of volcanic particles into the Earth's upper atmosphere could cause a reduction in surface temperature, because the particles would lessen the amount of solar energy reaching the Earth's surface. The catastrophic eruption of the Tambora volcano, Indonesia, in 1815 was followed by a so-called "year-without-a-summer." In New England, for example, frost occurred during each of the summer months in 1816.

http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Glossary/V...d_weather.html

[rhydra]

Scenario, not terribly fashionable because it suggests man has an impact on the environment but here goes.
Excess Co2 causes a decrease in salinity in the Arctic and Antarctic. This is exacerbated in the north as the warm water from the Gulf Stream travels north on the salty top later of water. The water becomes less salty with the increase in ice melt and either doesn't travel as far north, giving Britain the climate of Vladivostok, or, shuts off completely.
If it shuts off completely it doesn't matter how much C02 man puts into the atmosphere because the system has shut down, the ice starts to move south once again and C02 is then trapped in the ice at the poles.
The climate has done what it was always going to do, would it have done it sooner without global warming? Would it have done it later?
Who knows.
As with any forecast, no one side can really be right, no one side can really be wrong, only that too many people are spending their time blaming each other when they could have been better employed preparing for the worst just in case.

[mysticmolly]

http://128.6.226.99/%7Enjwxnet/png/daily_ims/2009355.png

The above is the amount of snow fall that was covering the northern hemisphere a few days ago.

It is now probably worse as a huge storm is sweeping across the US.

The longer this snow sticks around, the more it is adding to the problem, as ice reflects out solar heat and the more snow and ice cover there is on Earth, the more heat is being reflected out which causes the feed back system to really kick into action.

[mysticmolly]

Jan08 Northern Hemisphere snow cover: largest anomaly since 1966


There have been a number of indications that January 2008 has been an exceptional month for winter weather in not only North America, but the entire Northern Hemisphere.

We’ve had anecdotal evidence of odd weather in the form of wire reports from Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and China where record setting cold and snow has been felt with intensity not seen for 30-100 years, depending on the region.


http://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/png/monthly/200801.png


http://images.google.co.nz/imgres?imgurl=http://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/png/monthly/200801.png&imgrefurl=http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/02/09/jan08-northern-hemisphere-snow-cover-largest-since-1966/&usg=__9xa6FGQxcc0ZIororIo9bC1M7q0=&h=436&w=445&sz=30&hl=en&start=10&um=1&tbnid=sWQQtl80M_XMEM:&tbnh=124&tbnw=127&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsnow%2Bcover%2Bnorthern%2Bhemisphere% 2Bdec%2B2009%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG%26um%3D1

As you can see this is the second year in a row this problem has struck and this year it is earlier and worse. If it sticks around and gets any worse......

[rodin]

hot thread :)

[tenzingnorgay]

Great thread. Whatever the climate actually does, cooling is a far greater threat to humanity than warming.

[mysticmolly]

Great thread.

Thank you.

I will add some more soon.

[kodiak]

Interesting thread in light of Joe Bastardi's European blog, in which he said yesterday (25th Dec 2009):

"What is facing the major population centers of the northern hemisphere is unlike anything that we have seen since the global warming debate got to the absurd level it is now, which essentially has been there is no doubt about all this. For cold of a variety not seen in over 25 years in a large scale is about to engulf the major energy consuming areas of the northern Hemisphere. The first 15 days of the opening of the New Year will be the coldest, population weighted, north of 30 north world wide in over 25 years in my opinion."

[romas]

Then again metero could hit and heat shit up so we're aaaaalright.

[mysticmolly]

Midwest US states face fresh blizzards

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46995000/jpg/_46995590_008466998-1.jpg
Strong winds created large snow
drifts in Iowa and elsewhere

A severe winter storm in the US that has seen record amounts of snow fall is set to continue, forecasts say.

Blizzard warnings are still in place for parts of North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Wyoming, Minnesota, Iowa and Wisconsin.

The storm has already dumped 14in (35cm) in Oklahoma City - 11.5in more than the previous record snowfall.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8430977.stm

[mysticmolly]

Notably dangerous warning for 28-30 Dec

A "notably dangerous warning for 28-30 Dec remains in force."

* "Likely worst hit to be: MidWest, Great Lakes, Central & NE USA
* "Short range Met Maps now show developing Northerly blast 28 Dec but it will be more severe than standard meteorology expects


"Weather Action extreme event forecasts depend entirely on predictable aspects of solar particle and magnetic activity and have nothing to do with CO2. Yet governments around the world spout the lie that extreme weather events are driven by man-mad CO2.

"Until governments, the political classes and their agents in the media and weather business admit the total failure of their CO2 theory, which has become a religion, they will continue to fail the public.

"CO2 Global Warming/Climate Change is failed science based on fraudulent data. Believing it is causing chaos, suffering and deaths. It's past a joke. It's deadly dangerous and is holding back the world economic recovery. It must be swept away."


View entire news item:
http://www.weatheraction.com/displayarticle.asp?a=126&c=1

[mysticmolly]

More than half of the U.S. now covered
with snow

http://www.iceagenow.com/Snow-covered__planet24Dec09.gif

[lizzy]

The speed change in the north western hemisphere can and has evolved very quickly indeed, with an increase in melt water entering the area of sea that the Atlantic conveyor "Gulf stream" uses will on a decrease of salinity that is needed to keep the conveyor effect going will shut off, as the salinity decreases the warmer waters cannot sink and continue the cycle,when this happens north west Europe will freeze again


When most of us think about Ice Ages, we imagine a slow transition into a colder climate on long time scales. Indeed, studies of the past million years indicate a repeatable cycle of Earth’s climate going from warm periods (“interglacial”, as we are experiencing now) to glacial conditions.

The period of these shifts are related to changes in the tilt of Earth’s rotational axis (41,000 years), changes in the orientation of Earth’s elliptical orbit around the sun, called the “precession of the equinoxes” (23,000 years), and to changes in the shape (more round or less round) of the elliptical orbit (100,000 years). The theory that orbital shifts caused the waxing and waning of ice ages was first pointed out by James Croll in the 19th Century and developed more fully by Milutin Milankovitch in 1938.


http://www.whoi.edu/page.do?pid=12455&tid=282&cid=10046

Interesting post bush doctor......great thread Molly,.....this makes sense to me. TPTB were calling for a cooling before they hit on the warming , then 'change',....the culling could be in full swing by 2038. I'm quite sure they don't want to have to supply the energy necessary for the present and growing population in the northern hempishere.

[trix]

Very interesting.

Are we talking about ice coverage on the ground year round? Or just dramatically lower temperatures??

[ufochick]

Midwest US states face fresh blizzards

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46995000/jpg/_46995590_008466998-1.jpg
Strong winds created large snow
drifts in Iowa and elsewhere

A severe winter storm in the US that has seen record amounts of snow fall is set to continue, forecasts say.

Blizzard warnings are still in place for parts of North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Wyoming, Minnesota, Iowa and Wisconsin.

The storm has already dumped 14in (35cm) in Oklahoma City - 11.5in more than the previous record snowfall.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8430977.stm

I am about 90 miles from oklahoma City in the Tulsa area. We had the first EVER blizzard WARNING on Christmas Eve... It getting colder here for sure. I remember as a child in the 60s we had more snow but it was not as cold. we had a few inches at a time and it didn't last long. The temp still is not about freezing here and the roads are a mess because we are not equiped to handle this much snow. Our home got at least 9 inches. Our lake house got about 13 inches a neighbor called and said. Something is changing.

[mysticmolly]

Very interesting.

Are we talking about ice coverage on the ground year round? Or just dramatically lower temperatures??

What I can tell you is that once the feed back system starts to move, it is like a snow ball gathering speed as it goes down hill, things get worse very quickly.

When more of the Earth's surface is covered in snow than usual, it speeds up because snow and ice reflect out the suns warmth and quickly make things worse.

Glaciers are made from snow falling and then failing to melt before more snow falls on top, as the weight piles on, the snow underneath gets compressed down and it becomes ice.

When spring arrives it fails to melt all the ice because the Earths temperature has decreased, the next winter more snow is piled on top.

This can happen very quickly, just like the depth of it can build up very quickly.

[tenzingnorgay]

What I can tell you is that once the feed back system starts to move, it is like a snow ball gathering speed as it goes down hill, things get worse very quickly.

When more of the Earth's surface is covered in snow than usual, it speeds up because snow and ice reflect out the suns warmth and quickly make things worse.

Glaciers are made from snow falling and then failing to melt before more snow falls on top, as the weight piles on, the snow underneath gets compressed down and it becomes ice.

When spring arrives it fails to melt all the ice because the Earths temperature has decreased, the next winter more snow is piled on top.

This can happen very quickly, just like the depth of it can build up very quickly.

Warming doesn't have such a potentially quick and devastating feedback loop. Warming doesn't shut down crop production like cooling. Cooling is the far greater potential threat, yet the media remains oblivious to the possibility.

[mysticmolly]

Warming doesn't have such a potentially quick and devastating feedback loop. Warming doesn't shut down crop production like cooling. Cooling is the far greater potential threat, yet the media remains oblivious to the possibility.

I think they know full well what is going on, they are just trying to dazzle us with their bullshit.

[mrs houdini]

Hi All,
I posted this a few weeks back but just incase it got lost here it is again :p.
My Daughter Kerry is almost 18 now, but a couple of year's ago she came home from school and said " you will never believe what the Teacher told us to-day" and she went on to explain what she had been told about global warming so I asked her what she thought about it and she replied " Total bull mum it is the earth going through it's natural cycle" well I must have done something right with her then good girl Kerry go to the top of the class :D

[quetzalcoatl]

Warming doesn't have such a potentially quick and devastating feedback loop. Warming doesn't shut down crop production like cooling. Cooling is the far greater potential threat, yet the media remains oblivious to the possibility.

Well they both promote each-other - there's absolutely no reason why a regional environment under global warming conditions can't experience a 'mini ice-age', in-fact warming increases this chance exponentially.

[rodin]

One from a few years ago

http://www.contrarianthinker.com/index.263.jpg

If the technical analysis is correct we are indeed due for a cooling

The low is an inverted head and shoulders pattern and it has made its temperature objective

A double top presages a steep fall in the markets

[dantesinferno]

man i'm cold, brrrrrrrrrrrr

[rodin]

Here's a good example of hoaxed chart

http://www.futura-sciences.com/uploads/RTEmagicC_2000_Year_Temperature_Comparison.jpg.jpg

here's another

http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/charts/big.chart?symb=gs&compidx=aaaaa%3A0&ma=0&maval=9&uf=0&lf=1&lf2=0&lf3=0&type=2&size=2&state=8&sid=147544&style=320&time=8&freq=1&comp=NO%5FSYMBOL%5FCHOSEN&nosettings=1&rand=2225&mocktick=1

[rodin]

In the top chart which one is the right line, would you say its the red line, ?.

None of them. We have never seen anything like the MWP in our lifetimes. I don't think we even made a double top

If U R interested I will attempt a proper Elliot Wave count of this real chart

http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/2000-years-Loehle.jpg

looks like a bull flag with wave 4 (abc correction) 1800-1900. 1900-2000 should therefore have been wave 5 and now a large abc correction (down) lasting until 2500

[rodin]

Why do you think Rothschild wants to rule from Israel?

[lizzy]

Why do you think Rothschild wants to rule from Israel?
Going to get a wee bit too chilly in the northern hempisheres'? :eek:

.... a little 'local' sunspot talk.
http://www.examiner.com/x-32936-Seminole-County-Environmental-News-Examiner~y2009m12d16-Disappearing-sunspots-may-signal-end-to-global-warming

[botha]

Do any of you think this was their only plan??

[rodin]

Going to get a wee bit too chilly in the northern hempisheres'? :eek:

.... a little 'local' sunspot talk.
http://www.examiner.com/x-32936-Seminole-County-Environmental-News-Examiner~y2009m12d16-Disappearing-sunspots-may-signal-end-to-global-warming

What perhaps makes sense

Chemtrails are designed to accelerate global cooling under the guise of 'fixing the ozone hole'

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=96229

Where are the elite buying property? Hot or cold places?

Where do Christian (mostly lapsed but still connected to that culture if more tenuously than ever) whites live?

Cold + fake energy shortage = starvation

[lizzy]

hi rodin , the link you gave has much info. I wish I had a scientific mind. We don't hear so much about the ozone hole in the climate change crapola.

Horizon bbc, Global Dimming was a good ,
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2058273530743771382&q=horizon+BBC+climate+dimming#docid=-4488155708142678419


....the elite in the southern hemisphere.....as you right say we the masses starve.

Cold + fake energy shortage = starvation

[rodin]

Paraguay experiences a subtropical climate in the Paraneña region and a tropical climate in the Chaco. The Paraneña region is humid, with abundant precipitation throughout the year and only moderate seasonal changes in temperature. During the Southern Hemisphere's summer, which corresponds to the northern winter, the dominant influence on the climate is the warm sirocco winds blowing out of the northeast. During the winter, the dominant wind is the cold pampero from the South Atlantic, which blows across Argentina and is deflected northeastward by the Andes in the southern part of that country. Because of the lack of topographic barriers within Paraguay, these opposite prevailing winds bring about abrupt and irregular changes in the usually moderate weather. Winds are generally brisk. Velocities of 160 kilometers per hour have been reported in southern locations, and the town of Encarnación was once leveled by a tornado.

The Paraneña region has only two distinct seasons: summer from October to March and winter from May to August. April and September are transitional months in which temperatures are below the midsummer averages and minimums may dip below freezing. Climatically, autumn and spring do not really exist. During the mild winters, July is the coldest month, with a mean temperature of about 18°C in Asunción and 17°C on the Paraná Plateau. There is no significant north-south variation. The number of days with temperatures falling below freezing ranges from as few as three to as many as sixteen yearly, and with even wider variations deep in the interior. Some winters are very mild, with winds blowing constantly from the north, and little frost. During a cold winter, however, tongues of Antarctic air bring subfreezing temperatures to all areas. No part of the Paraneña region is entirely free from the possibility of frost and consequent damage to crops, and snow flurries have been reported in various locations.

Moist tropical air keeps the weather warm in the Paraneña region from October through March. In Asunción the seasonal average is about 24°C, with January--the warmest month--averaging 29°C. Villarrica has a seasonal mean temperature of 21°C and a January mean of 27°C. During the summer, daytime temperatures reaching 38°C are fairly common.

http://countrystudies.us/paraguay/24.htm

An Argentine official regarded the intention of the George W. Bush family to settle on the Acuifero Guarani (Paraguay) as surprising, besides being a bad signal for the governments of the region.

Luis D Elia, undersecretary for the Social Habitat in the Argentine Federal Planning Ministry, issued a memo partially reproduced by digital INFOBAE.com, in which he spoke of the purchase by Bush of a 98,842-acre farm in northern Paraguay, between Brazil and Bolivia.

The news circulated Thursday in non-official sources in Asuncion, Paraguay.

D Elia considered this Bush step counterproductive for the regional power expressed by Presidents Nestor Kirchner, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, Evo Morales, Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro.

He said that "it is a bad signal that the Bush family is doing business with natural resources linked to the future of MERCOSUR."

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=5324

Rothschild, Freshfields pushing into India

Occupation of Middle and Near East

Heavy duty stuff in Africa

etc

[lizzy]

hi rodin , yup,

I know, we'll all be drinking Bush bottled water soon. Jr bought the land over the aquifer and more in Argentina.
Huge tracks of land all bought with drug money.

The Roths in India...GM food for all those forced through DEBT off their land, many suiciding ....the horror is all set up now.

Africa.....pillaged .....I bet you've heard this clip before.;)

http://www.iamthewitness.com/audio/Andrew.Carrington.Hitchcock/24.02.03.French.Connection.Part.2.mp3

[mysticmolly]

Chemtrails are designed to accelerate global cooling under the guise of 'fixing the ozone hole'

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=96229



Chemtrails show the "elites" deliberate hand in all of this.

They have been accelerating us into this global cooling.

Clouds are second only to ice at reflecting back out to space, the Suns warmth.

[mysticmolly]

I put up some of my data about the maybe coming ice age on GLP and Godlike products banned me for it!!!

What does that tell you????

I had not put up anything else so this has to be the reason!

[mysticmolly]

Remember the dramatic ice storm from last year?


http://blog.silive.com/weather/2008/12/versoix-ice-storm.bmp

http://the5randoms.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/ice-storm.jpg

http://www.hhs.gov/ice/icestorm.gif

[orage]

This has all the makings of a perpetual war. After the War on Drugs and War on Terror we get the War on Weather. :D

Beware, there is weather going on!

[tenzingnorgay]

Well they both promote each-other - there's absolutely no reason why a regional environment under global warming conditions can't experience a 'mini ice-age', in-fact warming increases this chance exponentially.

No, warming doesn't increase the chance.

Quit drinking the koolaid.

[mysticmolly]

This latest picture of the northern hemisphere is quite impressive

file:///C:/DOCUME~1/User1/LOCALS~1/Temp/cursnow-2.gif

It won't load in the usual way - not sure to to get it to work

file:///C:/DOCUME~1/User1/LOCALS~1/Temp/cursnow-2.gif

You can get it to work by just putting it in the address box.

[hertz]

This latest picture of the northern hemisphere is quite impressive

file:///C:/DOCUME~1/User1/LOCALS~1/Temp/cursnow-2.gif

It won't load in the usual way - not sure to to get it to work

file:///C:/DOCUME~1/User1/LOCALS~1/Temp/cursnow-2.gif

You can get it to work by just putting it in the address box.

It wont load because it is a file in your computer, not a url. Great thread btw.

[pinkfreud]

This latest picture of the northern hemisphere is quite impressive

file:///C:/DOCUME~1/User1/LOCALS~1/Temp/cursnow-2.gif

It won't load in the usual way - not sure to to get it to work

file:///C:/DOCUME~1/User1/LOCALS~1/Temp/cursnow-2.gif

You can get it to work by just putting it in the address box.

you can't upload images directly from your computer on the forum without using a third party hosting site, molly.

you'd need imageshack (http://www.imageshack.us/) for the same.

[mysticmolly]

Sorry, I am pretty useless when it comes to computers, the image is on this page,

http://www.natice.noaa.gov/ims/

It is the latest from the northern hemisphere, maybe some one else can get it up.

The amount of snow coverage at the moment is pretty much the same as in an ice age, it is worse than my Avatar.

According to "The day after tomorrow" This is about the same level as ice age cover and once that amount is on the ground, it crashes the world's temperature ... I know it's a movie but anyway if someone can get the image up, you will see how extensive this coverage of snow is.

[mysticmolly]

Great thread btw.

Thank you

[dreamweaver]

According to "The day after tomorrow" This is about the same level as ice age cover and once that amount is on the ground, it crashes the world's temperature ... I know it's a movie but anyway if someone can get the image up, you will see how extensive this coverage of snow is.

The same alarmist claptrap movie that Al Gore used as a reference? Hmmmm. This is the same guy who thinks the earth is millions of degrees Celsius just below the surface.

The amount of snow coverage at the moment is pretty much the same as in an ice age, it is worse than my Avatar.

Hmmm, yes. Apart from the little matter of those areas being covered by glaciers up to one mile high during an Ice Age. Otherwise they're just the same, of course...

[mysticmolly]

Hmmm, yes. Apart from the little matter of those areas being covered by glaciers up to one mile high during an Ice Age. Otherwise they're just the same, of course...

Yes yes dreamweaver but you are forgetting that snow reflects out the Suns warmth and the more there is on the ground and the longer it sticks around, the bigger the cooling effect on the globe.

Even movies get some things right.

[dreamweaver]

Yes yes dreamweaver but you are forgetting that snow reflects out the Suns warmth and the more there is on the ground and the longer it sticks around, the bigger the cooling effect on the globe.

Even movies get some things right.

They do occasionally, molly, but The Day After Tomorrow isn't likely to be one of them.

In a USA Today editorial by Patrick J. Michaels, a Research Professor of Environmental Sciences at the University of Virginia, and global warming skeptic, Michaels called the movie "propaganda," noting: "As a scientist, I bristle when lies dressed up as 'science' are used to influence political discourse.

Paleoclimatologist William Hyde of Duke University criticised the film's portrayal of weather phenomena that stopped at national borders, and finished by saying that it was "to climate science as Frankenstein is to heart transplant surgery".

In 2008, Yahoo! Movies listed The Day After Tomorrow as one of Top 10 Scientifically Inaccurate Movies.[7]

The film was criticised for depicting several different meteorological phenomena occurring over the course of hours, instead of the more plausible time frame of several decades or centuries.

Got the picture, Molly? It's science fiction - and rubbish SF at that.

[mysticmolly]

Yes it is but the bit about the feed back loop, when more of the Earth is covered in snow, making the temperature drop because more of the Suns warmth is being reflected back out into space, is not science fiction, it is science fact, why don't you look it up.

That is the bit I was referring to - that is fact.

I have not referred to any of the other crap that was in that movie.

[dreamweaver]

Yes it is but the bit about the feed back loop, when more of the Earth is covered in snow, making the temperature drop because more of the Suns warmth is being reflected back out into space, is not science fiction, it is science fact, why don't you look it up.

That is the bit I was referring to - that is fact.

I have not referred to any of the other crap that was in that movie.

Ah, I see, because you've apparently just discovered feedback loops, you think you're the first person on the forum ever to have heard about them. :rolleyes:

Just so we're clear about this, are you saying that the past few days' snowfall is definitely going to trigger a new Ice Age, even though there have been many, many occasions of harsher winters over the past century and they did no such thing?

Or are you simply saying that such conditions could trigger one?

I'm just curious why you're banging this particular drum so fervently. It's a reasonably cold winter but nothing unusual by historical standards. You're almost making the warmists' case for them by getting so excited about such an unremarkable winter.

[mysticmolly]

Just so we're clear about this, are you saying that the past few days' snowfall is definitely going to trigger a new Ice Age, even though there have been many, many occasions of harsher winters over the past century and they did no such thing?

No, I have not said anything of the sort.

Why don't you read this thread, then you will know what I think.

[dreamweaver]

No, I have not said anything of the sort.

Why don't you read this thread, then you will know what I think.

I have read the thread and it mostly consists of you mindlessly cutting and pasting without understanding very much of the contents at all.

[mysticmolly]

Ah, you're preaching to the converted Molly. I'm already aware of that - and about 1934 being the warmest year in the US. :)

It may indeed be happening - it's certainly overdue. I just hope the sunspot cycle picks up again soon - but not before the AGW tards have been completely discredited and brought to justice.

Strange you should start insulting me now ....

[mysticmolly]

I have read the thread and it mostly consists of you mindlessly cutting and pasting without understanding very much of the contents at all.

I think it is you that does not understand, I have studied this for years, my knowledge of this subject is extensive.

I have used articles because people usually like facts from experts to back up information.

[dreamweaver]

Strange you should start insulting me now ....

Strange how you should start getting defensive when asked some simple questions.

You have devoted a lot of C&Ping to something which could happen one day.

I'm just curious why you're banging this particular drum so fervently. It's a reasonably cold winter but nothing unusual by historical standards. You're almost making the warmists' case for them by getting so excited about such an unremarkable winter.

So, what gives? Are you genuinely alarmed about an imminent Ice Age or are you just seeking attention?

[dreamweaver]

I think it is you that does not understand, I have studied this for years, my knowledge of this subject is extensive

Yes, you've watched The Day After Tomorrow.

*snigger*

Perhaps you could devote some of this extensive knowledge of yours to answering the questions above.

[mysticmolly]

You're almost making the warmists' case for them by getting so excited about such an unremarkable winter.



Gee doesn't seem like an unremarkable winter to me from what I have been reading and watching.

All those people frozen to death in Europe and record snow falls in many places, way beyond the last record.

I think you are just enjoying having a dig. Lets wait and see shall we but no I am not expecting an ice age to turn up this winter, it takes at least a few winters of repeatedly worsening weather. Last year had some very extensive snow cover as well.

[mysticmolly]

Yes, you've watched The Day After Tomorrow.

*snigger*

Perhaps you could devote some of this extensive knowledge of yours to answering the questions above.

I just watched that out of curiosity today. Not that I haven't seen it ages ago.

There were several facts in it actually. That extra fresh water slows the gulf current was another, apart from the feed back system.

You can mock but lets fact it, you are just having a dig for the fun of it.

[dreamweaver]

Gee doesn't seem like an unremarkable winter to me from what I have been reading and watching.

All those people frozen to death in Europe and record snow falls in many places, way beyond the last record.

I think you are just enjoying having a dig. Lets wait and see shall we but no I am not expecting an ice age to turn up this winter, it takes at least a few winters of repeatedly worsening weather. Last year had some very extensive snow cover as well.

Oh, come off it molly! Try googling the winter of 1963 for starters!

You're forgetting that prior to the past couple of years we had a run of some very mild winters. All these people going on about flowers coming up months earlier than normal and having to mow their lawns in winter, remember?

The warmists kept using these observations to "prove" global warming. So by jumping up and down about a winter that is nothing remarkable by historical standards only helps to make their case for them.

Where I do agree with you is that Ice Ages can come on very suddenly. The pattern that they have all followed in the past is that one year spring just does not come at all - and then we are stuck in an Ice Age for centuries. It's as sudden as that.


P.S. As for the extra fresh water slowing down the Gulf Stream (aka the Thermohaline Circulation or THC), please read this post: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65633 as that theory faces a strong challenge.

[mysticmolly]

Well odds are I am not in the same location as you.

I have been following things like the ice cover in Antarctica getting larger and the temperature down there dropping, also the level of volcanic activity increasing around the globe and the gulf stream slowing remarkably.

Areas affected by the gulf stream are likely to have had especially mild winters of late because the seas has been warmed by volcanic activity, as 90% of volcanoes are in the sea but that does not go hand and hand with global warming. It is a brief benefit which does not last, as warmer seas mean more evaporation which means more snow falling in same places on Earth which leads directly to global cooling.

You will note all the flooding that has gone on around the planet? This is because of the warmer seas and the higher evaporation rate going on at present. For an ice age to happen, it not only has to get colder but the sea has to evaporate at a higher rate than usual and become locked up on the land as snow.

Excuse me for not bothering with small details like whether someone mowed their lawns in winter! :rolleyes:

[dreamweaver]

You missed the point, molly. I was saying that the global warmists have used anecdotal observations from people noticing spring coming earlier to back up their propaganda about AGW. What I'm putting to you is that being so alarmist about a fairly bog standard winter only serves to reinforce the view that winters in general have become milder and that this is an exceptional one.

I've mentioned the example of the 1962-3 winter as that was an unusually cold one by British standards. I assumed you too were British, maybe you're not.

But in terms of winter deaths, here are the historical stats for the UK: www.statistics.gov.uk/STATBASE/Expodata/Spreadsheets/D7090.xls

[mysticmolly]

I am only alarmist because I feel the "elite" are deliberately trying to kill billions by not warning them of a very real danger.

All the evidence is in favour of global cooling and extremely so but they keep going on and on about warming and hiding this fact.

[dreamweaver]

I am only alarmist because I feel the elite are deliberately trying to kill billions by not warning them of a very real danger.

All the evidence is in favour of global cooling and extremely so but they keep going on and on about warming and hiding this fact.

Fair enough.

I think the elitists are simply using AGW as a vehicle to bring in global government and a new carbon trading bubble for their criminal banking friends.

I don't think they are promoting it to cover up global cooling; the likes of Gore, Brown and Miliband have shown that they are as thick as pigshit when it comes to science. I suspect that if they knew for definite that global cooling was around the corner, they would be jumping on that as a bandwagon to get their global government instead.

[fr0sty]

NASA Confirms Solar System is unexpectedly passing through Galactic Clouds
Unexpectedly or forced admission is for you to decide.  Many articles here at Doomdaily.com have expressed concern about passing through any Space dust/clouds in the same way as how most readers understand that our Solar System is going thru changes which can be seen on some of our local neighbours, maybe it is not Man Made Global Warming after all!

NASA – December 23, 2009: The solar system is passing through an interstellar cloud that physics says should not exist. In the Dec. 24th issue of Nature, a team of scientists reveal how NASA’s Voyager spacecraft have solved the mystery.
It seems that it is more than just dust clouds we are passing or travelling through!
The discovery has implications for the future when the solar system will eventually bump into other, similar clouds in our arm of the Milky Way galaxy.

Astronomers call the cloud we’re running into now the Local Interstellar Cloud or “Local Fluff” for short. It’s about 30 light years wide and contains a wispy mixture of hydrogen and helium atoms at a temperature of 6000 C. The existential mystery of the Fluff has to do with its surroundings. About 10 million years ago, a cluster of supernovas exploded nearby, creating a giant bubble of million-degree gas. The Fluff is completely surrounded by this high-pressure supernova exhaust and should be crushed or dispersed by it.

“The observed temperature and density of the local cloud do not provide enough pressure to resist the ‘crushing action’ of the hot gas around it,” says Opher.

So how does the Fluff survive? The Voyagers have found an answer.

“Voyager data show that the Fluff is much more strongly magnetized than anyone had previously suspected—between 4 and 5 microgauss*,” says Opher. “This magnetic field can provide the extra pressure required to resist destruction.”

“There could be interesting times ahead!” says Opher.

Maybe we need to beware of any radiation or any space disease!



http://www.doomdaily.com/2009/nasa-confirms-solar-system-is-unexpectedly-passing-through-galactic-clouds/#comment-3583

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2009/23dec_voyager.htm

[fr0sty]

Gunter says: here i’ve read that it’s not a man-made climate change… but: man’s industrial activity does cause some (a lot of) dangerous effects of course. earth is not a healthy place to live, and all the toxic substances and gases that are released into the seas and atmosphere are unquestionably going against life and toward a heating of the earth. if you live in a city, you see the temperature is higher than in the outskirts, so all this heat moves around the world and causes the greenhouse effect if nature can not eliminate all these gases.

[quetzalcoatl]

No, warming doesn't increase the chance.

Quit drinking the koolaid.


Yes it can! - apparently in more ways than I fully comprehend, yet... However, it does have the potential to disrupt quite a few things; like the frequency & severity of storms, as well as all round imbalance of environments, droughts, floods, tsunami's etc.. yet, dealing with how it could cause 'severe regional cool periods'; there's the real possibility if enough of the polar ice-caps melt, it could well alter sea temperatures - as-well as levels - thus potentially causing the disruption of natural warm water cycles - EG; the northern Atlantic conveyor. Also, worst case scenario; a run-away green-house effect could disrupt natural air flow cycles also - especially if the poles were to be greatly reduced - potentially affecting convection and convergence of air cycles & the Coriolis effect too, which could create a regional 'mini ice-age' perhaps...

Yes yes dreamweaver but you are forgetting that snow reflects out the Suns warmth and the more there is on the ground and the longer it sticks around, the bigger the cooling effect on the globe.

Even movies get some things right.

Yes it is but the bit about the feed back loop, when more of the Earth is covered in snow, making the temperature drop because more of the Suns warmth is being reflected back out into space, is not science fiction, it is science fact, why don't you look it up.

That is the bit I was referring to - that is fact.

I have not referred to any of the other crap that was in that movie.

Well technically solar radiation (electromagnetic waves) reflect of everything... & the more reflection from earth may in-fact work the opposite & produce more warming... - & there is a slight warming! ;) Considering the fact that reflected solar radiation gets re-reflected or 'trapped' by gases in the ozone layer, which are in-turn held by Earths electromagnetic field.

Ergo; the more light reflected from Earth, the more warming... considering solar radiation reflects from Earth all the time & as you point out far greater from white / ice surfaces... then there's the potential for more solar radiation to be trapped in our atmosphere (apparently mostly re-rebounding off the green-house gas family) causing more warming...


Basically facts are since the industrial age / revolution we (as in us, Humans) have greatly increased the levels of carbon dioxide - currently apparently 387 ppm (parts per million) - methane, nitrous oxide & all the CFCs in our atmosphere... & mass farming agriculture, de-forestation (which depletes the levels of vegetation CO2 consumption) 'over-fishing' (possibly disrupting eco-systems - which may effect plankton & other microscopic plants & animals; & may further threatening the the oceans capacity to absorb CO2) isn't helping one bit. All which are extremely hauntingly similar trends to current global warming statistics... - Just a co-incidence, nothing to worry about...

It's not always a conspiracy... - although, it's probably a very convenient excuse to swindle more money outa tax-payers pockets, with all the carbon schemes etc... like throwing money @ carbon wont make it go away... no honor among thieves??? although if these various carbon schemes do bring about changes - then I retract that former statement - & it will be helping... Over-all I just don't think it's always all lies... & if that's some peoples positions then fine, yet I do sometimes get the sense alot of the time it's some deep-rooted 'problem with authority' thing... or even possibly, on a psychological level again, some sort of hyper-rebellious condition stemming from some daddy issues or a harsh up-bringing... I'm just trying to look @ all the FACTS & make my own mind up, as impartially as poss.

[mysticmolly]

A greatly increased number of cosmic rays are getting through to Earth because our Sun’s magnetic poles, instead of reversing completely, have only rotated halfway and are now more or less lying sideways along the Sun’s equator. Scientists believe that this is due to the way in which the polarity changed during the last solar maximum. This weaker configuration of the magnetic shield is letting in two to three times more cosmic rays (stardust) than at the end of the 1990s. Moreover, this influx could increase by as much as ten times until the end of the current solar cycle in 2012. Solar cycles are approximately eleven years in length.

European Space Agency’s (ESA) Ulysses space probe data is finally making it possible to study how cosmic rays are distributed along the path of the Solar System through the local galactic environment. The space probe is showing us that a flood of dusty particles is heading our way. Astronomers think the current cosmic ray influx, apart from being favoured by the particular configuration of the Sun’s magnetic field, is also enhanced by the thickness of the interstellar clouds into which the Solar System is moving. Currently located at the edge of what astronomers call the local interstellar cloud, our Sun is joining our closest stellar neighbour Alpha Centauri in its dense cosmic ray cloud, which is less hot but denser than where we have been. It takes over 70 thousand years to traverse a typical galactic cloud, interestingly this is about the same period of time earth is usually in a glaciated state before the next interglacial period of 10,000 to 15,000 years of warmth returns. Press release 2003 Source: Artemis Society

The Earth’s magnetic field also shields the Earth from cosmic rays , which are radiation produced by astrophysical objects The magnetic field, which extends about 36,000 miles into space, is generated in the Earth’s core – a big ball of solid iron about 1,490 miles in diameter, surrounded by a sea of molten iron, 4,350 miles in diameter. The magnetic field is not constant as it’s produced by this turbulent flow that’s deep in the Earth’s core.

Magnetism trapped in ancient pottery shows that over the past 4,000 years, the magnetic field has weakened by more than 50%. Since people have been measuring, it has been steadily declining. The first measurements were taken about 150 years ago, since then, it’s declined not quite 10 percent. Which shows it is dropping rapidly, as the magnetic field wanes, the protective shield it provides shrinks, thus exposing satellites to damage from cosmic rays and charged particles coming from the sun. Even now satellites can be damaged, if not destroyed, because the protective shield is so weakened. So there will be many more reflective clouds cooling the planet than previously and this explains Earth’s cooling trend which has been going on for about 4500 years now. The Earth was much warmer by over 6 degrees 4500 years ago and the polar bears didn’t die.

http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=12353

[mysticmolly]

Although the seas are warming, findings show Antarctica is cooling, Antarctica’s harsh desert valleys — long considered a bellwether (warning system) for global climate change — have grown noticeably cooler since the mid-1980’s. Air temperatures recorded continuously over a 14-year period ending in 1999 declined by about 1 degree Fahrenheit in the polar deserts and across Antarctic. West Antarctic ice streams have started advancing, undergoing the same transition from shrinking to growing that appears to have occurred on a neighbouring stream 150 years ago. Perhaps after 10,000 years of retreat from the last ice-age maximum, researches turned on their instruments just in time to catch the re-advancement of the ice sheet.

A recent study, no shocker to real climatologists, appears in SciencExpress and shows that the vast majority of the Antarctic landmass is rapidly gaining ice and snow cover. Obviously this moisture comes from the sea and is being deposited in solid form on the land-way-down-under, this lowers the earth’s sea level.

Antarctica’s ice sheet is also growing in elevation. In the mid 1960s, ITT built a power transmission line in Antarctica. The transmission towers stood 115 feet tall. The power transmission towers have now long since been buried. The old Byrd Station has been shut down because it is buried beneath 40 to 50 feet of ice and snow and is slowly being crushed. A recent paper published in Science claims that ice is being deposited at the net rate of 26.8 billion tons a year in Antarctica, enough to lower sea levels.

[mysticmolly]

Bashkirtsev and Mashnich renowned solar scientists describe their results, “Low temperatures in the early 1900s corresponded to the lower solar activity where as increased activity up to the 1950’s saw temperatures rise, they fell again until the 80’s because of low activity. We had a high level of activity until the end of the nineties but now the cycle is going lower again and we predict falling temperatures until nearly 2030.” Are there any indications the prediction of Bashkirtsev and Mashnich will prove correct? They themselves say “the available data of observations support our inference about the cooling that has already started [our italics],” noting that “the average annual air temperature in Irkutsk, which correlates well with the average annual global temperature of the surface air, attained in 1997 its maximum equal to +2.3°C” and then “began to diminish to +1.2°C in 1998, +0.7°C in 1999, and +0.4°C in 2000.” CO2 Science Magazine

The reason for the sunspots effect on temperature was discovered by Veizer and his co-author Nir Shaviv, from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, who discovered that cosmic rays cause excess clouds. When cosmic rays strike earth in abnormally high concentrations, their highly charged particles cause aerosols in our atmosphere to pick up electrical charges. These energized aerosols then attract water vapor causing low-level cloud cover to increase but when our sun is particularly active, the solar wind it produces “blows” these cosmic ray particles away before they can charge up the atmospheric aerosols, diminishing cloud formation. This is significant because clouds in the lower atmosphere shield the Earth from solar radiation. They bounce this “insolation” (incoming solar radiation) back into space before it can cause the planet to warm. Thus when cosmic rays are plentiful, so are clouds, and our planet cools. Scientific Allience – Lorne Gunter 2003

[mysticmolly]

NASA Confirms Solar System is unexpectedly passing through Galactic Clouds
Unexpectedly or forced admission is for you to decide.  Many articles here at Doomdaily.com have expressed concern about passing through any Space dust/clouds in the same way as how most readers understand that our Solar System is going thru changes which can be seen on some of our local neighbours, maybe it is not Man Made Global Warming after all!

NASA – December 23, 2009: The solar system is passing through an interstellar cloud that physics says should not exist. In the Dec. 24th issue of Nature, a team of scientists reveal how NASA’s Voyager spacecraft have solved the mystery.
It seems that it is more than just dust clouds we are passing or travelling through!
The discovery has implications for the future when the solar system will eventually bump into other, similar clouds in our arm of the Milky Way galaxy.

Astronomers call the cloud we’re running into now the Local Interstellar Cloud or “Local Fluff” for short. It’s about 30 light years wide and contains a wispy mixture of hydrogen and helium atoms at a temperature of 6000 C. The existential mystery of the Fluff has to do with its surroundings. About 10 million years ago, a cluster of supernovas exploded nearby, creating a giant bubble of million-degree gas. The Fluff is completely surrounded by this high-pressure supernova exhaust and should be crushed or dispersed by it.

“The observed temperature and density of the local cloud do not provide enough pressure to resist the ‘crushing action’ of the hot gas around it,” says Opher.

So how does the Fluff survive? The Voyagers have found an answer.

“Voyager data show that the Fluff is much more strongly magnetized than anyone had previously suspected—between 4 and 5 microgauss*,” says Opher. “This magnetic field can provide the extra pressure required to resist destruction.”

“There could be interesting times ahead!” says Opher.

Maybe we need to beware of any radiation or any space disease!



http://www.doomdaily.com/2009/nasa-confirms-solar-system-is-unexpectedly-passing-through-galactic-clouds/#comment-3583

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2009/23dec_voyager.htm

Thanks for posting this.

I have put up info showing that NASA has known about this for years.

[quetzalcoatl]

Interesting article;

http://weather.about.com/od/climatechange/i/coolingearth.htm

Here's a few snippets;
Some graphs show warming, some show the earth is cooling. Which is correct? [....] The truth is, both are correct in the right context. Temperatures in the stratosphere are decreasing due to a loss of ozone while temperatures in the troposphere are increasing due to global warming.

Case For

These are the Facts in the Case for Global Warming:
Since the latter part of the 19th century, the temperatures of earth have risen 1 degree Celsius.
Carbon Dioxide levels in the atmosphere have risen significantly in the last 150 years.
The polar ice caps are melting.
Hurricanes and other severe whether events may be increasing in frequency due to documented ocean water temperature increases.
1998 was the warmest year on record.
Sea levels are rising.
Ecosystems and animal species are disappearing.
Case Against

There are those that do not think global warming is an issue. In fact, the Greenhouse Effect is absolutely necessary for life on earth. Without the Greenhouse Effect, plants and animals would not survive. The temperatures on earth would simply be too low. Calling the issue the Greenhouse Effect then is incorrect.
None of the facts listed above can be completely put together without factoring in other climate changing events that occur naturally on earth. In fact scientists that argue the case against global warming often site these issues as part of their own climate models.

The following factors also lead to changes in global climate:

Solar radiation changes
Volcanic events that change cloud cover globally
Warming trends from interglacial periods
The position of earth in the solar system varies

One part scientists agree on is that the earth is warming. Data sets show the increases in temperatures over years. Temperatures will always fluctuate, but the general trend in data is a warming.

[neutral]

I hope it comes around ;)

[ap12345]

cooling a few degrees is one thing, a sudden climate change to an ice age will result in mass extermination of most mammals

So thats why "most mammals" are already dead from the previous of glaciations? give me a break:rolleyes:

[ap12345]

BUMPEd this up tol the top as the weather certainly seems to have taken a turn for the worse and the snow cover is more extensive now.

[rodin]

http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/assets/library/100108picoftheday--126294627494907200.jpg

well that didn't take long

[entrangermercenary]

Oh, come off it molly! Try googling the winter of 1963 for starters!

You're forgetting that prior to the past couple of years we had a run of some very mild winters. All these people going on about flowers coming up months earlier than normal and having to mow their lawns in winter, remember?

The warmists kept using these observations to "prove" global warming. So by jumping up and down about a winter that is nothing remarkable by historical standards only helps to make their case for them.

Where I do agree with you is that Ice Ages can come on very suddenly. The pattern that they have all followed in the past is that one year spring just does not come at all - and then we are stuck in an Ice Age for centuries. It's as sudden as that.


P.S. As for the extra fresh water slowing down the Gulf Stream (aka the Thermohaline Circulation or THC), please read this post: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65633 as that theory faces a strong challenge.

Just blown your own argument away by saying google a winter that happened 40yrs plus ago. The water in our animal troughs has been frozen for 3weeks solid now. Ive been living where I am for 17yrs and that has never happened. 3 maybe 4 days tops .

If its nothing exceptional why are people saying its Haarp induced then?? It is very exceptional imo because I wouldn't be moving anywhere safely if I didnt have a 4x4 . Had snow up to the waist last year but that only lasted for a week.
Whats causing it who knows I certainly dont, but for you to say its not unusual is wrong !!

[clint_giles]

this guy was told to me by a friend.


very interesting,and he seems to have predicted other things,that were ridiculed.
later to become truth.


Project Camelot interviews Patrick Geryl - YouTube

[dreamweaver]

Just blown your own argument away by saying google a winter that happened 40yrs plus ago. The water in our animal troughs has been frozen for 3weeks solid now. Ive been living where I am for 17yrs and that has never happened. 3 maybe 4 days tops .
You've just failed to understand the meaning of "by historical standards", that's all.

Yes, it's a cold winter - one that Piers Corbyn (of Weather Action, who believe global warming is a scam and who make accurate forecasts based on solar activity) was predicting six months ago.

Does it mean an Ice Age has started? If spring doesn't happen this year then yes, we're in an Ice Age. Winter will simply continue to the next year and the next and so on.

There is nothing so far to indicate that will happen. If Piers Corbyn predicts it, I'll take it seriously. If mysticmolly or you predict it, Ill take it with a heavy pinch of salt.

If its nothing exceptional why are people saying its Haarp induced then?
Because they're idiots who think that if something is posted on conspiracy websites, it must be true?

It's extremely unlikely that this winter is man-made, considering that TPTB wanted a deal to be made at the Copenhagen conference. The very LAST thing they would want is the sight of Obama arriving in a blizzard!

[thefreedomagenda]

I remember in 1998 we had snow like this in SE england, and according to my parents it was the same in 1986, I don't think theres an ice age coming, and going by what I know about 1986 1998 2010 it seems like a 12 year cycle, can anyone else remember the years i mentioned.

[dreamweaver]

I remember in 1998 we had snow like this in SE england, and according to my parents it was the same in 1986, I don't think theres an ice age coming, and going by what I know about 1986 1998 2010 it seems like a 12 year cycle, can anyone else remember the years i mentioned.
You may have something there, I think one of the sunspot cycles is over 12 years. Sunspot activity is exceptionally low at the moment too. Check out this pic:

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/mdi_igr/512/latest.jpg

:eek:

[rodin]

You've just failed to understand the meaning of "by historical standards", that's all.

Yes, it's a cold winter - one that Piers Corbyn (of Weather Action, who believe global warming is a scam and who make accurate forecasts based on solar activity) was predicting six months ago.

Does it mean an Ice Age has started? If spring doesn't happen this year then yes, we're in an Ice Age. Winter will simply continue to the next year and the next and so on.

Hang on a minute

Last year winter was cold. And summer was cool. Now winter is a lot colder. Let's see if summer is cool again. Quick does not mean overnight or a few months but a decade or several before we really see the ice age cometh - if we are heading that way.

Quite a number of signposts point that way actually

Solar cycle

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e1/Sunspot-bfly.gif

[thefreedomagenda]

[QUOTE=dreamweaver;1058539635]You may have something there, I think one of the sunspot cycles is over 12 years. Sunspot activity is exceptionally low at the moment too.



Hi, If thats the case with low sunspot activity, it makes sense that the weather would be as it is.

[dreamweaver]

Hang on a minute

Last year winter was cold. And summer was cool. Now winter is a lot colder. Let's see if summer is cool again. Quick does not mean overnight or a few months but a decade or several before we really see the ice age cometh - if we are heading that way.

Quite a number of signposts point that way actually

Nah, rodin, it really does happen as suddenly as within one year. That's what has happened with all the previous ones apparently. Winter sets in and then spring just doesn't come again, the next year gets colder again and so on until eventually glaciers a couple of miles high cover much of Northern Europe and North America. :(

[rodin]

[QUOTE=dreamweaver;1058539635]You may have something there, I think one of the sunspot cycles is over 12 years. Sunspot activity is exceptionally low at the moment too.



Hi, If thats the case with low sunspot activity, it makes sense that the weather would be as it is.

As you can see from the butterfly plot the sunspot activity is late in emerging this 11-year cycle

1900 1910 are the last years with such a wide vertical band of nothing happening - usually as the equator spots fade the wiser latitude pattern reappears

[entrangermercenary]

You've just failed to understand the meaning of "by historical standards", that's all.

Yes, it's a cold winter - one that Piers Corbyn (of Weather Action, who believe global warming is a scam and who make accurate forecasts based on solar activity) was predicting six months ago.

Does it mean an Ice Age has started? If spring doesn't happen this year then yes, we're in an Ice Age. Winter will simply continue to the next year and the next and so on.

There is nothing so far to indicate that will happen. If Piers Corbyn predicts it, I'll take it seriously. If mysticmolly or you predict it, Ill take it with a heavy pinch of salt.


Because they're idiots who think that if something is posted on conspiracy websites, it must be true?

It's extremely unlikely that this winter is man-made, considering that TPTB wanted a deal to be made at the Copenhagen conference. The very LAST thing they would want is the sight of Obama arriving in a blizzard!


Well ive said nothing about an ice age coming. Ive pulled you up where you say its not an exceptional winter then have to google a winter 40yrs plus ago to compare.
It is exceptional but doesnt mean an ice age is coming. Well another 2mths anyway and we will find out :eek:

Well at least we agree on the Haarp element of this :)

[dreamweaver]

Well ive said nothing about an ice age coming. Ive pulled you up where you say its not an exceptional winter then have to google a winter 40yrs plus ago to compare.

Yeah, but "historical" doesn't usually mean "just within my lifetime", does it? ;)

Let's not quarrel about it, though, this big freeze is shutting up the global warmists for the time being, that alone is something worth celebrating. :D

[rodin]

Nah, rodin, it really does happen as suddenly as within one year. That's what has happened with all the previous ones apparently. Winter sets in and then spring just doesn't come again, the next year gets colder again and so on until eventually glaciers a couple of miles high cover much of Northern Europe and North America. :(

If it really does happen that fast there must be positive feedback @ work

I guess cooler planet > more ice = higher planetary albedo > cooler planet > more ice > even higher albedo etc

[themime]

If it really does happen that fast there must be positive feedback @ work

I guess cooler planet > more ice = higher planetary albedo > cooler planet > more ice > even higher albedo etc

True but if I remember my Snowball Earth shouldn't this be accompanied by reduced volcanic activity?

[rodin]

True but if I remember my Snowball Earth shouldn't this be accompanied by reduced volcanic activity?

I just channelled Molly who is reading this thread from the Astral Plane


almost the entire northern hemisphere is covered in snow right now - never have I known this ... the Earth looks like the day after tomorrow at the moment.


"Ice-albedo feedback creates a positive feedback loop in the Earth's climate system. The more snow and ice, the more solar radiation is reflected back into space and hence the colder Earth grows and the more it snows."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_dimming

You need to know is this is deliberate global dimming the effect of less sun light being able to reach the Earth is caused by chem trails and bush fires these are the man made causes and everywhere there has been out of control fires ... eg

In recent years there has been severe forest fires in Indonesia, Australia, Central America, parts of Amazonia, and both north and southern Africa, as well as North America, Europe and Asia.

Published: Thursday, January 07, 2010

Colombia declared raging forest fires to be a national disaster on Thursday and said it will get equipment from the United States to help douse the flames, further strengthening ties between Washington and Bogota.

Colombia, like other South American countries, is suffering from a drought that has contributed to fires in 11 of its 32 provinces. The government has ordered the temporary closure of some national parks due to the blazes.
President Alvaro Uribe, a Wall Street favorite and the White House's main ally in the region, said that the United States will provide fire-fighting equipment.

The Washington-Bogota alliance has complicated Colombia's relationship with some of its left-leaning neighbors.

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez says a military pact signed by Colombia and the United States in October could set the stage for an invasion of his oil-rich country, a claim that both countries dismiss.

http://www.nationalpost.com/story.html?id=2417576#ixzz0c3HKGISl

This in completely deliberate - expect a huge bush fire to break out in Aussie any day now



check pou how much thicker the ice at the artic is this year and much more snow there is

http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=01&fd=08&fy=2006&sm=01&sd=08&sy=2010

you can get the image to load with this

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/deetest/deetmp.5160.png
- Show quoted text -

Oh and she points out CO2 as a prime climate change vector is a hoax (true) and that volcanoes cause global dimming/cooling by blocking sunlight to Earth

[dantesinferno]

I just channelled Molly who is reading this thread from the Astral Plane


Come on rodin fess up are you MM in disguise? :p

[motleyhoo]

http://noconsensus.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/historical-temperature.jpg

Ice cores show that the Earth is only warm for about 10,000 years out of every 100,000 years and that ice ages come on suddenly taking only months or a few years to kick in. (Note CO2 concentration always follows temperature rises and therefore does not cause them.)

In this thread, I will show you how this is possibly happening now ...

Right, but that image does not show what happens when CO2 is introduced into the atmosphere from another source, such as digging/pumping up billions of tons of carbon and burning it into the atmosphere in a very short geological time period. It only shows that melting ice over thousands of years (caused by an unknown source of climate heating) releases CO2. It's 2 completely different processes. Every denier I know cannot seem to figure this basic idea out, which is a real head-scratcher since it really cannot be explained any simpler than that. This is regardless of a handful of highly opinionated scientists that may have fudged some data (realizing that the posted image also comes from the data of those very same scientists).

We cannot predict any kind of long term climate change based on a couple of years that are slightly cooler when we already know for a fact that the cooler trend coincides with 2 definite things that we can actually see with our eyes - 1) the Sun has been unusually inactive during that same time period, and 2) the economic downturn and subsequent 20-30% decline in man-made CO2 (and other noxious gases) that also coincides time-wise with the current cooler temperatures.

In fact, these temperatures and snowfalls may not be all that abnormal, and what is actually abnormal is that we have gotten used to the unusually warmer temperatures that have steadily risen over the last 50 years or so (even farther back for the older folk).

.

[rodin]

Wait... I have more coming through from the Mystic one...


Here is something far more serious.. this should not be ignored.

People need to be worried for their lives !!!!

HERE IS THE MOST WORRYING SIGNS

Ice breakers being used to clear harbours in Holland and China.

Sea turtles washing up on beaches in Florida because the sea is too cold for them, sea temps are now below 15 degrees Celsius and they are suffering from cold shock.

Iguanas falling out of trees in Florida and dropping dead from the cold.

One has to even ask "Has the gulf stream actually stopped?"

The Gulf Stream or scientifically referred to as North Atlantic thermohaline conveyor is a stream of warm water that comes from south of the equator and flows over the surface of the ocean toward the north where this warm water keeps Northern America and Northern and Western Europe from freezing. It also holds most of the world’s weather patterns in the way we are used to.

Then as this Gulf Stream cools down, it drops to the bottom of the ocean and returns as a river in the ocean to the south where it warms up again and rises to the surface and then returns to the north one more time in a continuous convection current. It is a huge three dimensional figure eight.

The motor that keep this warm water flowing is found in the north where the Gulf Stream drops to the bottom of the ocean. It is the salt density of the ocean that causes this river to drop and pulls the warm water up from the south.

Now that the poles are melting and fresh water is flowing into the Atlantic Ocean and the salt density is decreasing, the Gulf Stream does not drop quiet as far, which results in a slowing down of this Stream. The Gulf Stream has been dramatically slowing down now for at least ten years.

As the Gulf Stream slows down, the warmth is not brought to the North Atlantic region, and the weather patterns begin to change for they are dependent on this warmth to keep a balance.



And from an older thread

David Bellamy Late Late Show Global Warming - YouTube

[dreamweaver]

Oh for crying out loud, Molly needs to get a grip. One cold winter and the Gulf Stream has shut down? It's as bad as the global warmists with their "the sky's falling in" mentality. :rolleyes:

[oioioi]

Isn't there a tax that can stop this madness? :D

[princessofwands]

Story in the Daily Mail - The Mini Ice Age starts Here

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1242011/DAVID-ROSE-The-mini-ice-age-starts-here.html

[rodin]

Oh for crying out loud, Molly needs to get a grip. One cold winter and the Gulf Stream has shut down? It's as bad as the global warmists with their "the sky's falling in" mentality. :rolleyes:

Climate patrol

posted on 12/4/2009 at 10:53

I wonder what would happen if we had a solar minimum and no gulf stream?

Britain would be an ice cube?

1. find a Globe
2. place a finger on Britain
3. spin Globe from East to West
4. note that finger is now in Canada
5. speculate


posted on 1/6/2010 at 14:13

Fatal.. the SST observation is about the only useful info on the gulf stream. The image before that is pretty much useless now. I don't really even refer to it anymore. A few years back they changed their modeling from relative values to absolute values. My impression is that relative values show the movement of water relative to the surrounding waters. That is how you could identify the gulf stream. Now they model it based on zero so it is the movement of water relative to the ground. Oceans in general circulate if even just a little. So what they are showing us is where the gulf stream should be and how fast water is moving in that area NOT where the gulf stream is and how fast the river of water is running within the larger body of water.


http://climatepatrol.com/forum/10/2484/pg10/index.php

My bold - sort of how they change the measures of inflation... or the CRB index... or M3 being dropped

Basically evidence that does not support the agenda is suppressed

[dreamweaver]

A Mini Ice Age (as happened after the Medieval Warm Period) is more plausible IMO than a fully-fledged Ice Age. But one month isn't long enough to establish a trend in any direction! ;)

Yes, Climate Patrol are correct to say that the Gulf Stream is what keeps Britain from having the same climate as Canada.

The Gulf Stream is more robust than some people would have you believe though. The conventional theory of the "ocean conveyor belt" is flawed, as the research cited in this thread shows:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65633

[rodin]

Scientists say we are in 30 year mini ice age etc

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=98728

I see we are just above zero for the first time in 3 weeks in parts of UK

I don't think the gulf stream has stopped. What we have is a huge anticyclone centred Eastern Europe bringing Arctic air down to Western Europe. Plus Gulf Stream does not explain frost in Texas. Seems what we are experiencing is no more extreme than the US is getting

[aussiegirl]

Earth could plunge into Sudden Ice Age

‘Big Freeze’ about 12,800 years ago happened
within months

"Starting roughly 12,800 years ago," the article continues, "the Northern Hemisphere was gripped by a chill that lasted some 1,300 years. Known by scientists as the Younger Dryas and nicknamed the "Big Freeze," geological evidence suggests it was brought on when a vast pulse of fresh water — a greater volume than all of North America's Great Lakes combined — poured into the Atlantic and Arctic Oceans."

The article goes on to describe how temperatures plummeted "over the course of a few months, or a year or two at most," as North America's glacial Lake Agassiz burst its banks, diluting warmer water in the North Atlantic.

http://www.iceagenow.com/Earth_could_plunge_into_sudden_ice_age.htm

http://noconsensus.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/historical-temperature.jpg

Ice cores show that the Earth is only warm for about 10,000 years out of every 100,000 years and that ice ages come on suddenly taking only months or a few years to kick in. (Note CO2 concentration always follows temperature rises and therefore does not cause them.)

In this thread, I will show you how this is possibly happening now ...

that probably explains the very random weather....it was cloudy(no blue sky) today, that is like a first in Aussie history of Summer, well, probably not but it has been boiling hot for like a month now, the beach makes you sooo tired because of the heat!
MAYBE THEY WILL TAX US FOR THIS TOO?
the government's new plan:increase C02 emissions to heat earth
lol

[rodin]

the beach makes you sooo tired because of the heat!

I feel your pain :rolleyes:

[iwant_tobreak_free]

Okay,this thread scares me! Ice age?! :/

that probably explains the very random weather....it was cloudy(no blue sky) today, that is like a first in Aussie history of Summer, well, probably not but it has been boiling hot for like a month now, the beach makes you sooo tired because of the heat!
MAYBE THEY WILL TAX US FOR THIS TOO?
the government's new plan:increase C02 emissions to heat earth
lol

Trust Aussiegirl come in here and show off make everyone jealous! :D I do LOL at the thought of all the Australians thinking its the end of the world cos of a bit of cloud cover. "The Wallaby Prophecy" A prophecy told long ago by the great seer Skippy.

:)

[aussiegirl]

Okay,this thread scares me! Ice age?! :/



Trust Aussiegirl come in here and show off make everyone jealous! :D I do LOL at the thought of all the Australians thinking its the end of the world cos of a bit of cloud cover. "The Wallaby Prophecy" A prophecy told long ago by the great seer Skippy.

:)

lol, it was a bit oddd:p i'm used to having the air con on full by 10am
it was a surprise not too
and yes us aussies jump in the pouches of kangaroos whilst they take us to the beach!

[aussiegirl]

I feel your pain :rolleyes:

you should because its just, just awful!:(

[dreamweaver]

you should because its just, just awful!:(

One day you'll probably follow the well-trodden path of Aussies touring Europe. And believe me, once you've sampled British weather, you'll never again complain about Australia's. :p

[jamesc]

Alarm over dramatic weakening of Gulf Stream

The powerful ocean current that bathes Britain and northern Europe in warm waters from the tropics has weakened dramatically in recent years.

Researchers on a scientific expedition in the Atlantic Ocean measured the strength of the current between Africa and the east coast of America and found that the circulation has slowed by 30% since a previous expedition 12 years ago.

The current, which drives the Gulf Stream, delivers the equivalent of 1m power stations-worth of energy to northern Europe, propping up temperatures by 10C in some regions. The researchers found that the circulation has weakened by 6m tonnes of water a second. Previous expeditions to check the current flow in 1957, 1981 and 1992 found only minor changes in its strength, although a slowing was picked up in a further expedition in 1998. The decline prompted the scientists to set up a £4.8m network of moored instruments in the Atlantic to monitor changes in the current continuously.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2005/dec/01/science.climatechange







http://rads.tudelft.nl/gulfstream/gif/gulf_100102_vel.gif


Gulf Stream velocities one week ago: Saturday 2 January 2010

http://rads.tudelft.nl/gulfstream/gif/gulf_091226_vel.gif


Figure 2. Gulf Stream velocities two weeks ago: Saturday 26 December 2009
http://rads.tudelft.nl/gulfstream/gif/gulf_091219_vel.gif



Figure 3. Gulf Stream velocities three weeks ago: Saturday 19 December 2009

http://rads.tudelft.nl/gulfstream/gif/gulf_091212_vel.gif


Figure 4. Gulf Stream velocities four weeks ago: Saturday 12 December 2009






Current velocities of the Gulf Stream

Last updated automagically: Saturday 9 January 2010 21:04:23 CET
Since 21 December 2004 the velocity maps show the absolute in stead of relative velocities. This means that the velocities now include the mean Gulf Stream current, based on the http://www.cls.fr/html/oceano/projets/enact/cmdt_rio-03_biblio_en.html dynamic topography solution by Rio and Hernandez.

Since 10 January 2005 data from four altimeter satellites are included in the generations of the Gulf Stream velocity maps. At the same time the area was extended 10 degrees towards the east and results of the last four weeks are presented. All previous maps are reprocessed with the data of all four altimeters inside the new extended region. http://rads.tudelft.nl/gulfstream/gif/

Current status of the Gulf Stream

Relative Gulf Stream velocity fields are derived from near-realtime data from the radar altimeters of the satellites http://envisat.esa.int/. http://sealevel.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/topex.html and http://gfo.bmpcoe.org/Gfo/default.htm

This page presents four maps of current velocities of the Gulf Stream in the vicinity of the East coast of North-America. Velocities are represented in meters per second. To get the approximate velocity in knots you have to multiply by 2 (1.9438445 to be precise). The maps represent the situations on four different days, each separated by one week from the next.

Figure 1. One week ago: Saturday 2 January 2010, http://rads.tudelft.nl/gulfstream/#fig1

Figure 2. Two weeks ago: Saturday 26 December 2009, http://rads.tudelft.nl/gulfstream/#fig2

Figure 3. Three weeks ago: Saturday 19 December 2009, http://rads.tudelft.nl/gulfstream/#fig3

Figure 4. Four weeks ago: Saturday 12 December 2009, http://rads.tudelft.nl/gulfstream/#fig4




http://rads.tudelft.nl/gulfstream



From the above data it appears that the Gulf Stream Flow is ERRATIC, from this it shows anomalies in its abilities to function correctly and how it should be performing.Is this early indications that something is seriously beginning to threaten the earth's temperatures that are required to sustain and aid life as we know it.

[aussiegirl]

http://rads.tudelft.nl/gulfstream/gif/gulf_100102_vel.gif


Gulf Stream velocities one week ago: Saturday 2 January 2010

http://rads.tudelft.nl/gulfstream/gif/gulf_091226_vel.gif


Figure 2. Gulf Stream velocities two weeks ago: Saturday 26 December 2009
http://rads.tudelft.nl/gulfstream/gif/gulf_091219_vel.gif



Figure 3. Gulf Stream velocities three weeks ago: Saturday 19 December 2009

http://rads.tudelft.nl/gulfstream/gif/gulf_091212_vel.gif


Figure 4. Gulf Stream velocities four weeks ago: Saturday 12 December 2009






Current velocities of the Gulf Stream

Last updated automagically: Saturday 9 January 2010 21:04:23 CET
Since 21 December 2004 the velocity maps show the absolute in stead of relative velocities. This means that the velocities now include the mean Gulf Stream current, based on the http://www.cls.fr/html/oceano/projets/enact/cmdt_rio-03_biblio_en.html dynamic topography solution by Rio and Hernandez.

Since 10 January 2005 data from four altimeter satellites are included in the generations of the Gulf Stream velocity maps. At the same time the area was extended 10 degrees towards the east and results of the last four weeks are presented. All previous maps are reprocessed with the data of all four altimeters inside the new extended region. http://rads.tudelft.nl/gulfstream/gif/

Current status of the Gulf Stream

Relative Gulf Stream velocity fields are derived from near-realtime data from the radar altimeters of the satellites http://envisat.esa.int/. http://sealevel.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/topex.html and http://gfo.bmpcoe.org/Gfo/default.htm

This page presents four maps of current velocities of the Gulf Stream in the vicinity of the East coast of North-America. Velocities are represented in meters per second. To get the approximate velocity in knots you have to multiply by 2 (1.9438445 to be precise). The maps represent the situations on four different days, each separated by one week from the next.

Figure 1. One week ago: Saturday 2 January 2010, http://rads.tudelft.nl/gulfstream/#fig1

Figure 2. Two weeks ago: Saturday 26 December 2009, http://rads.tudelft.nl/gulfstream/#fig2

Figure 3. Three weeks ago: Saturday 19 December 2009, http://rads.tudelft.nl/gulfstream/#fig3

Figure 4. Four weeks ago: Saturday 12 December 2009, http://rads.tudelft.nl/gulfstream/#fig4




http://rads.tudelft.nl/gulfstream



From the above data it appears that the Gulf Stream Flow is ERRATIC, from this it shows anomalies in its abilities to function correctly and how it should be performing.Is this early indications that something is seriously beginning to threaten the earth's temperatures that are required to sustain and aid life as we know it.
i wonder why al gore isn't preaching this?!lol:rolleyes:

[kodiak]

i wonder why al gore isn't preaching this?!lol:rolleyes:

Because it's an inconvenient truth??? :p

[dreamweaver]

From the above data it appears that the Gulf Stream Flow is ERRATIC,

Compared to what?

Is this early indications that something is seriously beginning to threaten the earth's temperatures that are required to sustain and aid life as we know it.

You need first to show just how "erratic" the current behaviour is.

[cstewart1987]

The area i live in , ardoyne has completely melted away. No snow left, now on the other hand, a place called hannahstown, a few miles away is supposed to have treacherous roads and weather right now..

Were in for something id say jsut keep the head screwed on people..

[morjo]

Very hot down in Australia, was a 44 degrees celsius in Melbourne today and hotter in other parts, Adelaide has had like a week of 40 plus temps, that's hell if you don't have air conditioning. I wouldn't look too deep into the big freeze in Nth America and Europe, these things happen, it's just the earth's weather patterns, you can't expect weather to stay static.

[anthony1965]

Down here in south west Germany it's just a normal winter with snow and moderately cold temperatures apart from a couple of very cold days in December. There has been snow chaos in northern and central Germany though.

I've spoken to people who went to Austria on vacation and they said there wasn't much snow there.

I don't know if the satellite photos tell the whole story, but when I look at Scandinavia I see green.

Has it snowed much there? Any more than normal?

Goose Bay in Canada is unusually mild apparently.

The BBC are talking about an "arctic oscillation". They had a graphic (which I can't find now) showing the jet stream coming down from the arctic instead of flowing across the atlantic from west to east.

My instinct still says weather manipulation with someone playing around with the jet stream and the UK being the main victim this time round.

"Climate Change" means that the weather is supposed to be freakish.

So the bad guys provide the freak weather.

The media stoke the hysteria.

And down here it's winter as usual with snow, sledging, skiing and schnapps. :)

[morjo]

In the satellite pic of Britain a few pages back it shows Ireland relativity untouched by snow, seems strange, should it be?

[cstewart1987]

Very hot down in Australia, was a 44 degrees celsius in Melbourne today and hotter in other parts, Adelaide has had like a week of 40 plus temps, that's hell if you don't have air conditioning. I wouldn't look too deep into the big freeze in Nth America and Europe, these things happen, it's just the earth's weather patterns, you can't expect weather to stay static.

o shut up, :P stop rubbing it in..


thanks for the update, its strange id think thered be a wee bit of coldness in Australia, i mean it is winter time, was there no snow at all. you right like i cant stand the heat when i go on holiday, im always in the shade with a spliff and non alcoholic bevvie.. yaarrr

[dreamweaver]

In the satellite pic of Britain a few pages back it shows Ireland relativity untouched by snow, seems strange, should it be?

Ask endlessvista if Ireland has been untouched by snow lately! :D

The photo only showed one small corner of Ireland anyway. And besides, there's nothing unusual about countries having different weather at a particular time. We have different weather in different parts of England most of the time, it's absolutely normal for there to be differences!

[tracker]

Because it's an inconvenient truth??? :p

Now aint that the truth . :cool:

[aussiegirl]

o shut up, :P stop rubbing it in..


thanks for the update, its strange id think thered be a wee bit of coldness in Australia, i mean it is winter time, was there no snow at all. you right like i cant stand the heat when i go on holiday, im always in the shade with a spliff and non alcoholic bevvie.. yaarrr

44 degrees is REALLY BAD if you don't have air con, trust me, I've had the air con on by 10am almost every morning this summer, ITS VERY HOT!

I don't know why people on this forum think us aussies are rubbing it in

[anthony1965]

o shut up, :P stop rubbing it in..


thanks for the update, its strange id think thered be a wee bit of coldness in Australia, i mean it is winter time, was there no snow at all. you right like i cant stand the heat when i go on holiday, im always in the shade with a spliff and non alcoholic bevvie.. yaarrr

In Australia it's Summer. :)

[tracker]

http://rads.tudelft.nl/gulfstream/gif/gulf_100102_vel.gif


Gulf Stream velocities one week ago: Saturday 2 January 2010

http://rads.tudelft.nl/gulfstream/gif/gulf_091226_vel.gif


Figure 2. Gulf Stream velocities two weeks ago: Saturday 26 December 2009
http://rads.tudelft.nl/gulfstream/gif/gulf_091219_vel.gif



Figure 3. Gulf Stream velocities three weeks ago: Saturday 19 December 2009

http://rads.tudelft.nl/gulfstream/gif/gulf_091212_vel.gif


Figure 4. Gulf Stream velocities four weeks ago: Saturday 12 December 2009






Current velocities of the Gulf Stream

Last updated automagically: Saturday 9 January 2010 21:04:23 CET
Since 21 December 2004 the velocity maps show the absolute in stead of relative velocities. This means that the velocities now include the mean Gulf Stream current, based on the http://www.cls.fr/html/oceano/projets/enact/cmdt_rio-03_biblio_en.html dynamic topography solution by Rio and Hernandez.

Since 10 January 2005 data from four altimeter satellites are included in the generations of the Gulf Stream velocity maps. At the same time the area was extended 10 degrees towards the east and results of the last four weeks are presented. All previous maps are reprocessed with the data of all four altimeters inside the new extended region. http://rads.tudelft.nl/gulfstream/gif/

Current status of the Gulf Stream

Relative Gulf Stream velocity fields are derived from near-realtime data from the radar altimeters of the satellites http://envisat.esa.int/. http://sealevel.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/topex.html and http://gfo.bmpcoe.org/Gfo/default.htm

This page presents four maps of current velocities of the Gulf Stream in the vicinity of the East coast of North-America. Velocities are represented in meters per second. To get the approximate velocity in knots you have to multiply by 2 (1.9438445 to be precise). The maps represent the situations on four different days, each separated by one week from the next.

Figure 1. One week ago: Saturday 2 January 2010, http://rads.tudelft.nl/gulfstream/#fig1

Figure 2. Two weeks ago: Saturday 26 December 2009, http://rads.tudelft.nl/gulfstream/#fig2

Figure 3. Three weeks ago: Saturday 19 December 2009, http://rads.tudelft.nl/gulfstream/#fig3

Figure 4. Four weeks ago: Saturday 12 December 2009, http://rads.tudelft.nl/gulfstream/#fig4




http://rads.tudelft.nl/gulfstream



From the above data it appears that the Gulf Stream Flow is ERRATIC, from this it shows anomalies in its abilities to function correctly and how it should be performing.Is this early indications that something is seriously beginning to threaten the earth's temperatures that are required to sustain and aid life as we know it.


could this be something to do with it ?

they can be connected .
the north magnetic pole is shifting at an alarming rate .

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/12/091224-north-pole-magnetic-russia-earth-core.html


:)

[aussiegirl]

In Australia it's Summer. :)

i thought he realized lol

[cstewart1987]

In Australia it's Summer. :)

LOLOl true bill.. Other side of the world ,, thats right,, primitive thinker i am..

[dreamweaver]

could this be something to do with it ?

they can be connected .
the north magnetic pole is shifting at an alarming rate .

[url]http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/

Where does it say the pole shift is happening at an "alarming rate"? It does say it's moving rapidly but I don't detect any note of panic in there.

Come on, people, let's not run around like headless chickens. That's the greenies' job. ;)

[rodin]

44 degrees is REALLY BAD if you don't have air con, trust me, I've had the air con on by 10am almost every morning this summer, ITS VERY HOT!

I don't know why people on this forum think us aussies are rubbing it in

We had 50+ in Turkey in summer :cool:

[anthony1965]

LOLOl true bill.. Other side of the world ,, thats right,, primitive thinker i am..

I get lots of practice explaining stuff like this to my kids. But sometimes they ask too many questions. Like why is it winter up here and summer down there? Consider how incredibly far away the sun is and then think about the temperature differences we have on our little planet. You'd almost think someone had placed the earth just at the right distance from the sun. ;)

It all seems so perfect. Which is why it isn't a good idea to shoot nukes into the upper atmosphere as was done in the 1950's or exploding nukes at the poles. Or heating the ionosphere. Dr Strangeloves... Bunch of tossers.

I don't suppose you get 44 degrees celsius very often over in Belfast.

I'd rather be up here in Europe with a bit of snow.

[anthony1965]

We had 50+ in Turkey in summer :cool:

50 + in Turkey = http://anecdotes.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/11/19/turkey.jpg

[aussiegirl]

We had 50+ in Turkey in summer :cool:

:( you beat us

[rodin]

:( you beat us

it was hell :D

drinking all that Efes to cool down

[cstewart1987]

50 + in Turkey = http://anecdotes.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/11/19/turkey.jpg

Thanks for the wee breakdown in ur other post, that was real easy to understand.. i for one AM very glad that i live in Ireland, I don't mind a holiday, don't like to much heat to, I pre-fare snow, but sure, its catch twenty two, cant half one with out the other, the summers here used to real warm, about 36 I think at one summer when i was young.

[morjo]

We had 50+ in Turkey in summer :cool:

It can get to that in some parts of Australia, just not recently. It got to 48 I think in northern Victoria last summer. Australia isn't the hottest place on earth though, some parts of Africa and southern USA get hotter than Australia.

It can snow in Australia down south in the winter up in the high mountains, nothing like the swiss alps though.