largejack
24-12-2009, 12:48 AM
I sent this message to Green peace today:
Dear Greenpeace
Can I just say how relieved I am that the Elites at Copenhagen didn't get a full treaty although they did put in place their framework for a tyranical World Government, which is what all this CO2 taxes, controlling us, nonsense is all about, and we're running out of time.
You should be happy too? Do you know that if the Elites get their way the punitive measures it will impose on us would be devastating to our way of life, but to the developing countries it will be catastrophic and mass starvation will result of it.
And yet here you are, Greenpeace, as you ridiculously call yourselves, unhappy that the original treaty first proposed didn't go anywhere near far enough ??? You want people to die do you ? You want people enslaved do you??
CO2 is a completely harmless gas, it is one of the four essential sources of life, and plants and trees love it, it makes them grow better. The climate has seen temperatures both prehistoric and recent, much hotter than today and also seen carbon dioxide levels far in excess of today.
What we should be doing is celebrating that today's climate is far the most part friendly and sustainable, (or would be if the ELites didn't control all the wealth and resources) and that we're not in another Ice Age, which is due incidentally, and considering the previous 10 years have seen a decline in temperature of 0.5 percent, who knows we may be getting set for the Big Freeze? Indeed science Czars like John Holdren were saying this only thirty years ago, before they politically changed their tune and started believing in Global Warming.
It's time you woke up Greenpeace, history only remembers the truth. It's time you got out of your cultlike, religious, politicized mentality before it's too late!
Please heed my words, our children depend on truth not fiction!!!
kindest regards
Scott
They replied with this:
Dear John
Thank you for your email.
Obviously, as you do not believe that the release of co2 is going to cause impacts on the environment I can see why you would feel that action to combat climate change is misplaced.
We as an organization are responding to the wealth of science that indicates that climate change is a real and present danger to the planet and therefore, being an environmental NGO, it is our responsibility to do all we can to reduce this impact.
I am not going to argue the point about climate change but I will explain why Greenpeace acts in the way it does and calls for action on climate change. 99% of peer reviewed scientific papers have found that climate change exists and is caused by man’s activities on the planet (see http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686 ). If by some fluke the worlds leading climatologists are all completely wrong then I will be the first to join you in having a good laugh about how we were all taken in, but the chance of this happening now, with the science being so established (it goes back some way http://www.livescience.com/environment/070131_climate_change_history.html ), would be like discovering that cigarettes don’t cause cancer or HIV and AIDS are unrelated.
I am sure you would not knowingly allow someone to be infected with HIV just because 1% of studies could not find a link between HIV and AIDS (and therefore it is unproven) so equally it is our opinion that now is the time to act on Climate Change as the impacts that climatologists are predicting will lead to major loss of resources along with major loss of habitats, causing the deaths of many and the extinction of innumerable plants and animals.
As I said, I don’t wish to argue with you, I feel you have the right to interpret the science yourself (here is the science we are currently responding to http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/ar4-wg2.htm ) but if you would like to find out a little more about the issues that are currently being used to indicate that climate change is not man made, I suggest you have a look at this website: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11462
Kind Regards
Chris Jackson
Supporter Services
Greenpeace UK
and I have yet to receive a reply to this:
Hi Chris
Thank you for your very fast response, much appreciated.
However, I have to say that to compare the argument of climate change to HIV and AIDS is asinine. They are two completely separate issues, as too are cigarettes, so I can't see why you are using this argument? It's the same level of manipulation used by Al Gore and Brown calling 'skeptics' Flat Earthers and 'moon landing' skeptics, just because they have a different point of view. It's called trying to ridicule people to win the argument. The same who had a real journalist's microphone turned off because he couldn't answer the question why polar bears are in fact increasing!!!
And as for all the scientists being in support of so called AGW then how come 31,000 are attempting to sue Al Gore over it, and look at all the lies and deceit brought into the fold by the climategate scandals. Many of the so called scientists who support AGW are just bureaucrats making a fortune out of towing the political line.
I won't rant on any further, but I suggest you check out the data from the University of Illinois which proves temperatures are in fact declining, and also check out satellite images from the University of Colorado which shows the ice sheets have expanded in recent years as well.
I wish your organisation would return to the good purposes it had when it was founded instead of pushing a political scam, there are many genuine environmental issues which do need attention I agree. CO2 is certainly not one of them.
Anyway have a nice Christmas, if the Globalists get their way it'll probably be our last.
many thanks
regards
Scott
P.S My name is Scott not John.
So the argument continues, but keep pressing them at least they respond!
Dear Greenpeace
Can I just say how relieved I am that the Elites at Copenhagen didn't get a full treaty although they did put in place their framework for a tyranical World Government, which is what all this CO2 taxes, controlling us, nonsense is all about, and we're running out of time.
You should be happy too? Do you know that if the Elites get their way the punitive measures it will impose on us would be devastating to our way of life, but to the developing countries it will be catastrophic and mass starvation will result of it.
And yet here you are, Greenpeace, as you ridiculously call yourselves, unhappy that the original treaty first proposed didn't go anywhere near far enough ??? You want people to die do you ? You want people enslaved do you??
CO2 is a completely harmless gas, it is one of the four essential sources of life, and plants and trees love it, it makes them grow better. The climate has seen temperatures both prehistoric and recent, much hotter than today and also seen carbon dioxide levels far in excess of today.
What we should be doing is celebrating that today's climate is far the most part friendly and sustainable, (or would be if the ELites didn't control all the wealth and resources) and that we're not in another Ice Age, which is due incidentally, and considering the previous 10 years have seen a decline in temperature of 0.5 percent, who knows we may be getting set for the Big Freeze? Indeed science Czars like John Holdren were saying this only thirty years ago, before they politically changed their tune and started believing in Global Warming.
It's time you woke up Greenpeace, history only remembers the truth. It's time you got out of your cultlike, religious, politicized mentality before it's too late!
Please heed my words, our children depend on truth not fiction!!!
kindest regards
Scott
They replied with this:
Dear John
Thank you for your email.
Obviously, as you do not believe that the release of co2 is going to cause impacts on the environment I can see why you would feel that action to combat climate change is misplaced.
We as an organization are responding to the wealth of science that indicates that climate change is a real and present danger to the planet and therefore, being an environmental NGO, it is our responsibility to do all we can to reduce this impact.
I am not going to argue the point about climate change but I will explain why Greenpeace acts in the way it does and calls for action on climate change. 99% of peer reviewed scientific papers have found that climate change exists and is caused by man’s activities on the planet (see http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686 ). If by some fluke the worlds leading climatologists are all completely wrong then I will be the first to join you in having a good laugh about how we were all taken in, but the chance of this happening now, with the science being so established (it goes back some way http://www.livescience.com/environment/070131_climate_change_history.html ), would be like discovering that cigarettes don’t cause cancer or HIV and AIDS are unrelated.
I am sure you would not knowingly allow someone to be infected with HIV just because 1% of studies could not find a link between HIV and AIDS (and therefore it is unproven) so equally it is our opinion that now is the time to act on Climate Change as the impacts that climatologists are predicting will lead to major loss of resources along with major loss of habitats, causing the deaths of many and the extinction of innumerable plants and animals.
As I said, I don’t wish to argue with you, I feel you have the right to interpret the science yourself (here is the science we are currently responding to http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/ar4-wg2.htm ) but if you would like to find out a little more about the issues that are currently being used to indicate that climate change is not man made, I suggest you have a look at this website: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11462
Kind Regards
Chris Jackson
Supporter Services
Greenpeace UK
and I have yet to receive a reply to this:
Hi Chris
Thank you for your very fast response, much appreciated.
However, I have to say that to compare the argument of climate change to HIV and AIDS is asinine. They are two completely separate issues, as too are cigarettes, so I can't see why you are using this argument? It's the same level of manipulation used by Al Gore and Brown calling 'skeptics' Flat Earthers and 'moon landing' skeptics, just because they have a different point of view. It's called trying to ridicule people to win the argument. The same who had a real journalist's microphone turned off because he couldn't answer the question why polar bears are in fact increasing!!!
And as for all the scientists being in support of so called AGW then how come 31,000 are attempting to sue Al Gore over it, and look at all the lies and deceit brought into the fold by the climategate scandals. Many of the so called scientists who support AGW are just bureaucrats making a fortune out of towing the political line.
I won't rant on any further, but I suggest you check out the data from the University of Illinois which proves temperatures are in fact declining, and also check out satellite images from the University of Colorado which shows the ice sheets have expanded in recent years as well.
I wish your organisation would return to the good purposes it had when it was founded instead of pushing a political scam, there are many genuine environmental issues which do need attention I agree. CO2 is certainly not one of them.
Anyway have a nice Christmas, if the Globalists get their way it'll probably be our last.
many thanks
regards
Scott
P.S My name is Scott not John.
So the argument continues, but keep pressing them at least they respond!