Mandelson to cut University funding by £398m

[decode reality]

By Gary Eason
Education correspondent, BBC News

The government is to cut university funding in England by a total of £398m for 2010-11 compared with this year, Business Secretary Lord Mandelson said.

In a letter to the Higher Education Funding Council For England (Hefce), he also asks universities to protect quality and access to higher education.

His letter confirms efficiency savings of £180m and £83m - and adds a further £135m budget reduction.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/education/8427546.stm

[loopy2222]

Trouble with Uni is that those that attend are not guarenteed a job at the end of it now anyway. Not like they used to be. It used to be a given that you would finish Uni and get a really good job. This shouldn't stop funding though as everyone is entitled to choose if the want higher education. :(

[cpfc12]

They probably are going to restrict uni to the rich again so the only people able to go are the teenagers who have parents earning over 50k

[goldenbear]

i was listening to radio 4 this morning i didnt catch all the nitty gritty but they were on about fines for universitys for overrecriutment of students.

its gona lead up to fast track degrees. and they will be penalised for government targets. so large classes,quicker degrees,faster teaching and put into the work place.

this is going to lead to crappier teaching practices and of course more serfs for the corporate workforce.

and if you listen to the people talking they are on about financial collapse. so churning out people like sausagemeat and using them like cashcows is how it works. its all about getting ready for the system of change.. in line for the students to be microchipped for the new cashless society.catch them while they are young enough and they wont know any different.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_8427000/8427733.stm

[decode reality]

Many graduates end up working in call centres and not just as stopgaps.
It feels like an 'engineered fund shortage' to me.

Not that universities are exactly known for teaching the undiluted truth, obviously.

It will be the arts related subjects that receive the worst cuts, I imagine.

[soleil]

They probably are going to restrict uni to the rich again so the only people able to go are the teenagers who have parents earning over 50k

I know a student who has everything paid for because his parents got divorced and he changed his home address so that it would appear that he is living with his nurse mother. It is the people in the middle who will suffer.

Now that the champagne socialists of Blair and Mandelson's ilk are safely through the free academic system, they'll kick the ladder away to stop the plebians improving their lot in life.

As mentioned before, a degree doesn't guarantee a good job anymore. Gradautes are even forking out £8K for work experience. To stand out these days, you probably need to do a masters degree which is mostly privately funded anyway.

[snapdragon]

Oh Mendelsohn sitting atop of the mountain (of gold), art thou King of the (false) Jews?

[picha]

I got a chemistry degree 8 years ago and ive never been able to get a decent job. Its worth next to nothing without the experience to go with it.

[rodin]

Oh Mendelsohn sitting atop of the mountain (of gold), art thou King of the (false) Jews?

A Prince

Rothschild is known as the King

[justnotsure]

He's all heart - a true deceiver - we must all upskill and then pulls the funding. An utter utter hypocrite.

[dynamicwiseman]

Trouble with Uni is that those that attend are not guarenteed a job at the end of it now anyway. Not like they used to be. It used to be a given that you would finish Uni and get a really good job. This shouldn't stop funding though as everyone is entitled to choose if the want higher education. :(

The problem is too many students are doing degrees like Business and then have to fight 1,000 other people for that one shiny job in the city. However, if they started at the bottom and worked their way up, they could be earning double the starting salary of a graduate.

I'm finding out the horrible truth of going to university and leaving with a degree. When i could have worked for 3 years instead. We live and learn.

[the white knight]

What about Scotland i bet they got no cuts.

[amaralsright]

I never voted for Peter Mandelson.

[dynamicwiseman]

I got a chemistry degree 8 years ago and ive never been able to get a decent job. Its worth next to nothing without the experience to go with it.

Since 2001? I feel your pain, as i too had to learn the hard way. Chin up at least we know what to tell our kids, better to know now than later. Illumination of the mind is what they have given us, inner workings of their system, they have revealed. Providing us with new knowledge, hence illuminating our way.

[the moral man]

Trouble with Uni is that those that attend are not guarenteed a job at the end of it now anyway. Not like they used to be. It used to be a given that you would finish Uni and get a really good job. This shouldn't stop funding though as everyone is entitled to choose if the want higher education. :(

Dear loopy2222
kind regards
I don't know if I disagree with the budget cutting of universities.
University is a money making scheme where the principle and his staff teach a subject that most of the students won't succeed and then they get a bill at the end.
The university system is about what the university gains in profit and prestige, most people that pass through their doors are cannon fodder.
The money that has been cutback from funding universities can easily be put towards better things such as funding businesses which will create jobs.
yours thankfully
John

[secret66mechanism]

the damm guy's nothing but a parasite

[justnotsure]

I enjoyed doing my degree, went to uni for free with a grant and got a job with the top employer in my profession. I came from a council house, one parent family in the 1960s. No-one in my family had been to uni before, I was proud of myself and want others to have the same chances I had. You cannot get into my profession now without a degree, most people seem to have a masters and loads of work experience.

Things may be different now of course but I learned stuff I never would have learned. It was good for me and hate the fact that it will now be restricted to people who can afford it.

Having said that Picha, it must be hard for you.

[astrocreep]

I got a chemistry degree 8 years ago and ive never been able to get a decent job. Its worth next to nothing without the experience to go with it.

Yup.

My girlfriend and i both work in mental health care and are at the exact same position and pay as eachother. She has uni degrees in psychology and the like,i never even went to college. Yet we have the exact same job but for different companies.

They mean nothing. A friend of mine did 4 years at Uni. She now works at McDonalds.....seriously.

[analog]

By Gary Eason
Education correspondent, BBC News

The government is to cut university funding in England by a total of £398m for 2010-11 compared with this year, Business Secretary Lord Mandelson said.

In a letter to the Higher Education Funding Council For England (Hefce), he also asks universities to protect quality and access to higher education.

His letter confirms efficiency savings of £180m and £83m - and adds a further £135m budget reduction.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/education/8427546.stm


Why do they have such peanuts money for University?, when It came to propping up the Banks they said £500,000,000,000.oo

[decode reality]

Dear loopy2222
kind regards
I don't know if I disagree with the budget cutting of universities.
University is a money making scheme where the principle and his staff teach a subject that most of the students won't succeed and then they get a bill at the end.
The university system is about what the university gains in profit and prestige, most people that pass through their doors are cannon fodder.
The money that has been cutback from funding universities can easily be put towards better things such as funding businesses which will create jobs.
yours thankfully
John

Hi John,

I think you have a point.

A year ago, a friend of mine who works in a university, heading a department, was telling me that it's all about money making.

Another friend works at this particular Uni's 'feeder' college. He's a lecturer. He told me that he had been asked by his head of department to doctor the exam results of college students, i.e to mark them up. What then happens is you get inadequately prepared students starting degrees and having to drop out after one year. the reason? Lack of basic literacy and numeracy, usually.

In fact, I know three lecturers who tell me that a lot of their students aren't passionate about learning and see the course as a chore. This is why cases of plagiarism and buying degrees have become so commonplace.

[mtex]

The point the rest of us are trying to make is that you are NOT improving your lot by going to the University. Trust me, I've been there, I'm one of those suckers who got a worthless humanities degree, as I was pumped full of "post-modernism" (NWO propaganda) for years on end.

I recall that Alex Jones show where he warned his younger listeners: "When you go to the University, sooner or later you will be asked to play the game "the lifeboat", which is about getting to associate your own survival with the death of others, so that you're the winner, but you're dancing on top of a pile of skulls".

Lo behold, in the first trimester of my first year at the University I was asked to play "life-boat". It was at an Introductory English course. Back then I was slightly annoyed at being asked to play this game. "Why do I have to fantasize about having the power to let people die? I don't want the power of the executioner! I don't want to identify with that kind of wicked power-lust!". No one ever told me why we had to play this game at an English grammar class. Alex Jones was the first to let me know they tried to brainwash me with NWO propaganda.

Don't even get me started on the Social Studies classes. Every single course had a eugenics "we have to cull the public" theme or another.

Teacher: 3/4 of the public should be middle class.

Me: But sir, 90% of the world are living in abject poverty, 9% are the global middle class, and 1% have all the wealth and are the elites running this planet.
How on earth will we go from 90% abject poor to 75% middle-class?

Teacher: We have to reduce the poor. (Note: he doesn't say: we have to expand the middle-class, because that means emancipating the poor, no he says, we have to "reduce" the poor.)

Sociologists are not trained to be social workers, they are trained to be eugenists. If you think Alex Jones is exaggerating you obviously never been to a University. Paul Watson said he left college for the same reason Alex did: he couldn't stand the eugenics propaganda.

Like a good slave, I got a degree, and subsequently spent three years on welfare. What's a degree? It's a certificate showing that you have successfully been brainwashed at a government/corporate indoctrination centre, which is what Universities are.

The university system is about what the university gains in profit and prestige, most people that pass through their doors are cannon fodder.


Exactly, that's what it is.

Type this into a search-engine: "Gerald Celente" and "college crash".

If you want to go to art school, here is my advice: DO NOT GO TO ART SCHOOL!
The brother of a friend left art school because, he said:
"If I stay here [that the art school] any longer, I will forget how to draw."
Let that sink in.

[goldenbear]

There is no need for anybody to go to univercity in the coming years, we have enough people without jobs today with skills that will see them through the lean times.
Once upon a time if a company wanted a new recruit they advertise for them as I have been doing for the last 10 years, and they came to learn what we had to show them, the very best craftsmen are those who learn by hand to eye corodination on the job,

This is where the system has gone wrong in my eyes, our school leavers have become forever young, for ever going back to school, to learn the latest something or other that is out of date by the time they finish what they are doing, to many fucking cheifs and not enough indians, office workers and mnagers will not get us to where we need to be, PERIOD.

This was all a ploy to keep us all blinkered while greedy bastard companies were slowly but surely taking their business and labour to and gaining from forein country workers, they have been doing it right under our noses with encouragement from our governments who also have vested intrests in many of these companies.

The only way we are ever going to have a chance to pay them back is, we need to demand locally made produce otherwise we not only cut our own throats but we will eventually cut our heads completely.

I have said it a thousand times before, the opposition has now put all their eggs into one Chinese and middle eastern basket, that if we stopped buying their wares they would suffer greatly and lose their heading, can we not see this and act accordingly, FFS.

bump diddy bump bump. :)

[snapdragon]

Part of the problem with university is that there are few decent jobs apart from medical practitioners, lawyers/barristers, or accountants. There is little in the way of R&D, design and manufacturing or other types of problem solving and wealth creation which graduates would be needed for.

All of the wealth creation is done in places like China and India, the jobs in the UK in offices and shops are just on the back of that, and all these jobs do is make a £4 item a £24 item by increasing costs.

[decode reality]

The point the rest of us are trying to make is that you are NOT improving your lot by going to the University. Trust me, I've been there, I'm one of those suckers who got a worthless humanities degree, as I was pumped full of "post-modernism" (NWO propaganda) for years on end.

I recall that Alex Jones show where he warned his younger listeners: "When you go to the University, sooner or later you will be asked to play the game "the lifeboat", which is about getting to associate your own survival with the death of others, so that you're the winner, but you're dancing on top of a pile of skulls".

Lo behold, in the first trimester of my first year at the University I was asked to play "life-boat". It was at an Introductory English course. Back then I was slightly annoyed at being asked to play this game. "Why do I have to fantasize about having the power to let people die? I don't want the power of the executioner! I don't want to identify with that kind of wicked power-lust!". No one ever told me why we had to play this game at an English grammar class. Alex Jones was the first to let me know they tried to brainwash me with NWO propaganda.

Don't even get me started on the Social Studies classes. Every single course had a eugenics "we have to cull the public" theme or another.

Teacher: 3/4 of the public should be middle class.

Me: But sir, 90% of the world are living in abject poverty, 9% are the global middle class, and 1% have all the wealth and are the elites running this planet.
How on earth will we go from 90% abject poor to 75% middle-class?

Teacher: We have to reduce the poor. (Note: he doesn't say: we have to expand the middle-class, because that means emancipating the poor, no he says, we have to "reduce" the poor.)

Sociologists are not trained to be social workers, they are trained to be eugenists. If you think Alex Jones is exaggerating you obviously never been to a University. Paul Watson said he left college for the same reason Alex did: he couldn't stand the eugenics propaganda.

Like a good slave, I got a degree, and subsequently spent three years on welfare. What's a degree? It's a certificate showing that you have successfully been brainwashed at a government/corporate indoctrination centre, which is what Universities are.



Exactly, that's what it is.

Type this into a search-engine: "Gerald Celente" and "college crash".

If you want to go to art school, here is my advice: DO NOT GO TO ART SCHOOL!
The brother of a friend left art school because, he said:
"If I stay here [that the art school] any longer, I will forget how to draw."
Let that sink in.

I hear you. I did a music degree in the 90s. I enjoyed parts of it but many times I kicked and screamed!

Towards the end of the course, the only option immediately available was to be a teacher. We were actively encouraged to pursue that. Having spent three years seeing what I would have been teaching, I said no thanks.

It was only five years later when the government were offering 'training salaries' (more than the average grant) that I decided to do a PGCE. Well, I left that after three months- I decided that I liked eating and a good night's sleep more than slogging my guts out for something I didn't truly believe in.

It seems most of the greats in music, even Western art music (i.e. european classical) succeeded in spite of academia- not because of it. That's certainly true of all non-classical work. I realised later on that most of the people I respect in whatever field, aren't products of academia.

Don't get me wrong, if you truly know who you are, your real goals and understand the nature of the game, university can be a valuable experience. But look at the pirice you literally have to pay.

You can teach yourself more about your field outside the academic box than by being in it.

[soleil]

Me: But sir, 90% of the world are living in abject poverty, 9% are the global middle class, and 1% have all the wealth and are the elites running this planet.
How on earth will we go from 90% abject poor to 75% middle-class?

Interesting post mtex. I was wondering how many of the global population would be middle class. Alex Jones mentioned that the eugenics plans involve making the elite seem like a different and much superior species from the perspective of the masses. If this is to be done, surely the folk in the middle should disappear so that there is a clear gap between the poor masses and the elite?

[soleil]

Gerald Celente said that the type of degree studied is crucial. He warned against studying the 'soft sciences'. The number of degrees conferred has caused a sort of academic inflation which means that the days when a 'degree is a degree' are gone. Perhaps an Oxbridge graduate can walk into most jobs with a non-cognate degree.

Parents should plan the educational path of their children carefully and consider courses that relate to European languages and green technologies. Even though building is sensitive to economic downturns, refurbishment and new builds still need to be done and these jobs cannot be shipped to China etc.

[mtex]

Do you know what they call academics who haven't been able to find a job in their field of study in Germany?

'habilitierte', re-habilitated, like they're effin drug addicts, junkies! This term also contains the German word for animal, Tier, meaning you are just a an animal, a mule to the NWO.

I guess once you become addicted to the NWO propaganda and you mistake it for "knowledge", wasting all that money at colleges to acquire it, it kinda is like kicking a habit to wake up to the NWO and realize that what they call post-modernism at your school is actually NWO propaganda.

If you're German, or if you can read German, check out this webpage to get a sense of what it is like to be rehabilitated in Germany:

http://www.sonjahilzinger.de

[the moral man]

Dear decode reality
kind regards
In response to your comments.

A year ago, a friend of mine who works in a university, heading a department, was telling me that it's all about money making.

At my uni graduation (which I didn't attend) there were speeches for two hours about the greatness of the uni and then they handed out the rewards.
They also handed out a BA hons degree to a celebrity just for speaking.
He gained in one speech what it took me three years to gain.
Any celebrity who accepts a BA hons degree that way is insulting those who worked for it, but they do us a favour by showing us how useless the grade is.
Most people don't get employed in their graded field so the grade is technically useless.

Another friend works at this particular Uni's 'feeder' college. He's a lecturer. He told me that he had been asked by his head of department to doctor the exam results of college students, i.e to mark them up. What then happens is you get inadequately prepared students starting degrees and having to drop out after one year. the reason? Lack of basic literacy and numeracy, usually.

That is true and I also suspected that certain teachers also overmark their favourites.

In fact, I know three lecturers who tell me that a lot of their students aren't passionate about learning and see the course as a chore. This is why cases of plagiarism and buying degrees have become so commonplace.

Well there is no excuse for plagerism but alot of what they teach you is insignificent bunk.
In terms of life experience, I wouldn't erase my time at university, but in terms of convenience I think that I would have done things differently.
If I wanted to take acting, I should have started at the ground level by auditioning for plays and acting that way instead of going through college and university
I would have gotten alot more acting experience, avoided cliqueish students, avoided biased teachers, avoided useless academics and avoided the student debt at the end of it.
yours thankfully
John

[decode reality]

Dear decode reality
kind regards
In response to your comments.



At my uni graduation (which I didn't attend) there were speeches for two hours about the greatness of the uni and then they handed out the rewards.
They also handed out a BA hons degree to a celebrity just or speaking.
He gained in one speech what it took me three years to gain.
Any celebrity who accepts a BA hons degree that way is a insulting those who worked for it, but they do us a favour by showing us how useless the grade is.
Most people don't get employed in their graded field so the grade is technically useless.



That is true and I also suspected that certain teachers also overmark their favourites.



Well there is no excuse for plagerism but alot of what they teach you is insignificent bunk.
In terms of life experience, I wouldn't erase my time at university, but in terms of convenience I think that I would have done things differently.
If I wanted to take acting, I should have started at the ground level by auditioning for plays and acting that way instead of going through college and university
I would have gotten alot more acting experience, avoided cliqueish students, avoided biased teachers, avoided useless academics and avoided the student debt at the end of it.
yours thankfully
John

Cheers for your response, John.

Before I reply more detailed, check out this clip of an interview with the saxophonist Branford Marsalis. What he has to say about the grading system is very interesting.

Branford Marsalis' take on students today - YouTube