Nazca Lines

[chattanova]

Nazca Lines

Stretching across the Nazca plains like a giant map or blueprint left by ancient astronauts, lie the famous Nazca Lines of Peru. Peru is associated with the Incan Civilization who many link with alien visitors who still interact with local people to this day.

The Nazca Lines are an engima. No one has proof who built them or why. Since their discovery, the Nazca Lines have inspired fantastic explanations from ancient gods, a landing strip for returning aliens, a celestial calendar created by the ancient Nazca civilization -- putting the creation of the lines between 200 BC and 600 AD, used for rituals probably related to astronomy, to confirm the ayllus or clans who made up the population and to determine through ritual their economic functions held up by reciprocity and redistribution, or a map of underground water supplies.

There are also huge geoglyphs in Egypt, Malta, United States (Mississippi and California), Chile, Bolivia and in other countries. But the Nazca geoglyphs, because of their numbers, characteristics, dimensions and cultural continuity, as they were made and remade through out the whole prehispanic period, form the most impressive, as well as enigmatic, archeological group.

Location

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The Nazca Lines are located in the Nazca Desert, a high arid plateau that stretches between the towns of Nazca and Palpa on the pampa (a large flat area of southern Peru). The desolate plain of the Peruvian coast which comprises the Pampas of San Jose (Jumana), Socos, El Ingenio and others in the province of Nasca, is 400 Km. South of Lima, covers an area of approximately 450 km2, of sandy desert as well as the slopes of the contours of the Andes. They cover nearly 400 square miles of desert. Etched in the surface of the desert pampa sand about 300 hundred figures made of straight lines, geometric shapes most clearly visible from the air.

Nazca Plain

The Nazca plain is virtually unique for its ability to preserve the markings upon it, due to the combination of the climate (one of the driest on Earth, with only twenty minutes of rainfall per year) and the flat, stony ground which minimises the effect of the wind at ground level. With no dust or sand to cover the plain, and little rain or wind to erode it, lines drawn here tend to stay drawn. These factors, combined with the existence of a lighter-coloured subsoil beneath the desert crust, provide a vast writing pad that is ideally suited to the artist who wants to leave his mark for eternity.

The pebbles which cover the surface of the desert contain ferrous oxide. The exposure of centuries has given them a dark patina. When the gravel is removed, they contrast with the color underneath. In this way the lines were drawn as furrows of a lighter color, even though in some cases they became prints. In other cases, the stones defining the lines and drawings form small lateral humps of different sizes. Some drawings, especially the early ones, were made by removing the stones and gravel from their contours and in this way the figures stood out in high relief.

The concentration and juxtaposition of the lines and drawings leave no doubt that they required intensive long-term labor as is demonstrated by the stylistic continuity of the designs, which clearly correspond to the different stages of cultural changes.

[chattanova]

Nazca Lines are the most outstanding group of geoglyphs in the world. Etched in the surface of the desert pampa sand about 300 hundred figures made of straight lines, geometric shapes and pictures of animals and birds - and their patterns are only clearly visible from the air.

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[chattanova]

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[chattanova]

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[chattanova]

The Nasca Lines are located in the Pampa region of Peru. The desolate plain of the Peruvian coast which comprises the Pampas of San Jose (Jumana), Socos, El Ingenio and others in the province of Nasca, which is 400 Km. South of Lima, covers an area of approximately 450 square km, of sandy desert as well as the slopes of the contours of the Andes.

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The Lines were first spotted when commercial airlines began flying across the Peruvian desert in the 1920's. Passengers reported seeing 'primitive landing strips' on the ground below. No one knew who had built them or indeed why. Since their discovery, the Nasca Lines have inspired fantastic explanations.

[chattanova]

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ancient astronaut?

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[chattanova]

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1. Killer Whale
2. Wing
3. Baby Condor
4. Bird
5. Animal
6. Spiral
7. Lizard
8. Tree
9. Hands
10. Spiral
11. Spider
12. Flower
13. Dog
14. Astronaut
15. Triangle
16. Whale
17. Trapazoids
18. Star
19. Pelican
20. Bird
21. Trapazoid
22. Hummingbird
23. Trapezoid
24. Monkey
25. Llama
26. Trapezoids

[chattanova]

Mysterious Nazca-like "roads" near Pisco, Peru

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This is another strange road in the Pisco region in Peru. It is about 20m wide and goes for many miles through the desert. It is lighter than its surroundings and marked by small craters spread apart by approximately 200m.

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[graflok]

Neat stuff -- thanks. :)

[limelady]

Great thread - great images!!

Thanks Chatt :D

[exclamatio]

aye fantastic images!

[soglad]

Holy crap those are amazing....

If they are done by man.................HOW??? :eek:

[lostinstrangeworld]

The Nazca lines enchanted me when I first heard of them as a kid.

That reminds me, there use to be this cartoon based on the Incas called children of the sun or something like that.


Anyway, my favorite Nasca line symbol was the bird one.

Imagine if we could meet the ancients....I wonder what they would tell us......

The Incas were victims of a rigid class system though.

[phildee3]

Holy crap those are amazing....

If they are done by man.................HOW??? :eek:

Done by man???
I've heard some pretty far out, crazy ideas on this forum but that one beats 'em all!

[father_pyramid]

Holy crap those are amazing....

If they are done by man.................HOW??? :eek:

You have little faith in the intelligence of man. I believe it is possible man made these - using scales, simple tools and surveying equipment - but I think the real question that is the mystery is why and what for.

Hate to quote the dreaded Wiki but it isn't all propoganda:
"Since their discovery, various theories have been proposed regarding the methods and motivations underlying the lines' construction. The archaeological explanation as to who made them and how is widely accepted; namely that the Nazca people made the lines using simple tools and surveying equipment. Wooden stakes in the ground at the end of some lines (which were used to carbon-date the figures) and ceramics found on the surface support this theory. Furthermore, researchers such as Joe Nickell of the University of Kentucky, have reproduced the figures using the technology available to the Nazca Indians of the time without aerial supervision. With careful planning and simple technologies, a small team of individuals could recreate even the largest figures within a couple of days.

The Nazca lines cannot be recognized as coherent figures except from the air. Since it is presumed the Nazca people could never have seen their work from this vantage point, there has been much speculation on the builders' abilities and motivations."

[2013]

http://www.mondovista.com/dinostone.ica.html
these stones where found in the same area after a flood,Images on the Ica Stones show human type figures riding in Pterodactyls while hunting dinosaurs (left), an amazing global map showing the continents (center), and other activities not yet understood.Curious images of a comet and an astronomer, using an object that looks like a telescope, are found on the stones:D

[tinmenace]

You have little faith in the intelligence of man. I believe it is possible man made these - using scales, simple tools and surveying equipment - but I think the real question that is the mystery is why and what for.

Hate to quote the dreaded Wiki but it isn't all propoganda:
"Since their discovery, various theories have been proposed regarding the methods and motivations underlying the lines' construction. The archaeological explanation as to who made them and how is widely accepted; namely that the Nazca people made the lines using simple tools and surveying equipment. Wooden stakes in the ground at the end of some lines (which were used to carbon-date the figures) and ceramics found on the surface support this theory. Furthermore, researchers such as Joe Nickell of the University of Kentucky, have reproduced the figures using the technology available to the Nazca Indians of the time without aerial supervision. With careful planning and simple technologies, a small team of individuals could recreate even the largest figures within a couple of days.

The Nazca lines cannot be recognized as coherent figures except from the air. Since it is presumed the Nazca people could never have seen their work from this vantage point, there has been much speculation on the builders' abilities and motivations."

Like you say, the real question is: WHY?

[2013]

The Nazca lines enchanted me when I first heard of them as a kid.

That reminds me, there use to be this cartoon based on the Incas called children of the sun or something like that.


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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0202732/ the feathered serpent tv prog
you will be far too young bodywise this time round to remember this series , i still havent found a copy of it anywhere yet , children of the stones ive got and sky the tv sci -fi dramafrom the 70's not the dodgey satellite station :D

[phildee3]

I believe it is possible man made these - using scales, simple tools and surveying equipment.

The archaeological explanation as to who made them and how is widely accepted; namely that the Nazca people made the lines using simple tools and surveying equipment. Wooden stakes in the ground at the end of some lines (which were used to carbon-date the figures) and ceramics found on the surface support this theory.

But as you say, this does not answer the "why" question.
Mainstream archaelogy does not ask this question as it is a very conservative and "reductionist," left-brain oriented science.

To those with a broader outlook, it is quite apparant that they were done by other intellegences other than man, but with man's assistance.

[chattanova]

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[tehuti]

I recommend Maurice Coterrel's The Supergods and The Lost Tomb of Viracocha.

[ihaveadream]

The Nazca lines enchanted me when I first heard of them as a kid.

That reminds me, there use to be this cartoon based on the Incas called children of the sun or something like that.


Anyway, my favorite Nasca line symbol was the bird one.

Imagine if we could meet the ancients....I wonder what they would tell us......

The Incas were victims of a rigid class system though.

Hey there

I too am totally mesmirised by the Nazca lines ... i just finished reading about them in Graham Hancocks " Finger Prints of the Gods " .... i find them to be mind blowing ... the part that piques my interest is that from the ground , you can;t tell what they are, and you really need to get to a altitude of 1500ft to see them clearly. In our version of civilisation we didnt even discvoer them until commericial flights started over Peru ... now, i dont want to suggest my own theory,, but i pose the question, if you cant see them properly unless your at an alttitude of 1500ft, then how the hell did supposed undeveloped peoples make them ? the only conclusion you could possibly arrive at, is that they must have had a way to get to that altitude, so either they could actually fly, or they had flight capabale machines . craft ..... now THAT blows my mind

the cartoon you mentioned, do you mean " Lost Cities of Gold" ? it was my favourite cartoon as a child .. i was totally mesmorised by it, and i never knew why, and then last year, when i started researching ancient and hidden history, it all fell into place .. man that cartoon rocks!!!

mysterious cities of gold on dvd - YouTube

[chattanova]

...the only conclusion you could possibly arrive at, is that they must have had a way to get to that altitude, so either they could actually fly, or they had flight capabale machines . craft ..... now THAT blows my mind


yes and much direct us to the theory that it's all existed before. It is indded mindblowing!

PREHISTORIC AIRPLANES FROM SOUTH AMERICA


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The mechanical features of the object suggest a highly sophisticated level of aerodynamics and construction. The objects are very old and small, approximately 2 inches long, objects, made of gold are estimated to be AT LEAST 1,000 years old. For archaeologists the artifacts were depicting animals and were classified as Sinu, a pre-Inca culture from A.D. 500 to 800... But only for them. For aeronautical engineers these objects more looked like airplanes with delta-shaped wings. So in 1997 they built a scaled up version of the objects to the exact specifications of the prototypes with the simple addition of an engine and propeller. The test was succesful. The radio controlled aircraft flew performing airborn loops, rolls and other manuevers, and then performed perfect landing.
According to Dr. Ivan Sanderson, who studied the artifacts, these look too "mechanical" like an airplane, to be a natural object. Other similar objects have been discovered in Costa Rica, Venezuela and Peru. Who used these planes in prehistoric times?

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11442

[entrangermercenary]

Mysterious Nazca-like "roads" near Pisco, Peru

http://img28.picoodle.com/img/img28/9/9/14/f_pisco1bm_e3c2420.jpg

This is another strange road in the Pisco region in Peru. It is about 20m wide and goes for many miles through the desert. It is lighter than its surroundings and marked by small craters spread apart by approximately 200m.

http://img32.picoodle.com/img/img32/9/9/14/f_strangeroadm_04db96d.jpg

http://img02.picoodle.com/img/img02/9/9/14/f_strangeroadm_718fe8c.jpg

http://img27.picoodle.com/img/img27/9/9/14/f_strangeroadm_22d3409.jpg

http://img29.picoodle.com/img/img29/9/9/14/f_armysecretsm_e868f54.jpg

Any body got any idea what the craters are? They look like where a large machine has walked ala war of the worlds.Cant really tell as the definition is not close enough.
Great pics by the way, I also was v intrested in these when I was a little un love to read the theories about them:D

[chattanova]

more aerial views http://www.go2peru.com/gal_nazca01.htm

[phildee3]

the only conclusion you could possibly arrive at, is that they must have had a way to get to that altitude, so either they could actually fly, or they had flight capabale machines . craft .....



or out-of-body (shamanic) flight,

or giant visitors of some kind.

[gizmocrystal]

the cartoon you mentioned, do you mean " Lost Cities of Gold" ? it was my favourite cartoon as a child .. i was totally mesmorised by it, and i never knew why, and then last year, when i started researching ancient and hidden history, it all fell into place .. man that cartoon rocks!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KAujrzXv0c

I also loved that programme as a child and didnt know why untill last year when the dvd was released, and i brought it.

I have a big interest in Machu Pichu and all things like that, imagine my surprise when watching the opening credits and machu pichu comes on!! now as i am older i can understand this programme so much more.

Wonderful cartoon:)

[localidiot]

I think it should be noted that the lines are visible from the nearby hills, and are re creatable with simple technology.

As for archaeologists not trying to find why they created them, there are several who continue to work on the sites hoping to find some recording of why, even a off hand remark of the creating help.
They do know that they believed theiir Gods were in the mountains.

This article:
http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/prehistory/latinamerica/south/cultures/nazca.html
talks about the Nazca lines being used for irrigation, a ongoing use.

While CrystalLinks:
http://www.crystalinks.com/nazca.html

Goes over the lines in some detail, as well as giving a basic run down on the many theories about them.
It seems the main problem here is they have to many different things they could have been used for, ranging from unlikely to likely, that without more evidence it's hard to make a solid stance on any individual one.
Though the irrigation article was interesting.

Also, I'm not calle dthe local idiot for nothing, it's to late to check on the stuff that came off the top of my head, I'll look back into it tomorrow, sometimes I get cultures confused.

[chattanova]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[chattanova]

Giant Figures in Peru Desert Pre-date Nazca Lines

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The Epoch Times, May 24, 2005

A group of about 50 drawings of giant figures recently discovered in the hills of Peru's southern coastal desert near the city of Palpa has been said to predate the famous Nazca lines nearby.

Mr. Johny Isla, director of the Andean Institute of Archaeological Studies, said the 'geoglyph' figures appear to have been created by the Paracas communities between 500 and 400 BC, whereas the Nazca culture developed after 50 BC.

Mr. Isla and his partner Dr. Markus Reindel from the Dutch Institute of Archaeology discovered the Paracas figures using aerial photography and land-based surveys. The figures of humans, birds, monkeys and cats vary in size from 10m to 50m across, and are also grouped together in areas up to 60 m to 90 m across.

The Paracas figures were created by removing dark stones in order to expose the lighter surface underneath. Some areas were cleared and others built up with rock, creating figures in high and low relief. With the Nazca lines though, the geoglyphs were only made by clearing low-relief areas. Until recently scientists believed that the figures in the Palpa and Nazca regions were only from the Nazca culture. Mr. Isla says cultural dating and style of the newly found Paracas figures sets them apart.

Mr. Isla told The Epoch Times, "Most of these geoglyphs belong to the Nazca culture but our recent studies demonstrated that there are at least 50 geoglyphs pertaining to the Paracas culture. These new figures are definitely different and older than those of the Nazca culture.

* First, the Paracas figures were drawn on the slopes of the hills, while the Nazca images were drawn in level areas.
* Second, the Paracas figures are smaller and were made in a naturalistic style, while the Nazca figures are bigger and stylized.
* Third, the Paracas figures are mostly arranged in groups, while the Nazca figures are arranged individually.
* Finally, it is important to note that not one of the Paracas figures were repeated in the Nazca iconography."

[chattanova]

The Mummy's of Nazca

Stunningly preserved in the dry soil of the Peruvian desert are the mummified bodies of the Nazcan people themselves.

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[chattanova]

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[noewhan]

If it's man made, I reckon the lines could have been used for a huge sustainable farm, or a runway, or symbols as messages to the 'gods' if not made by 'them'...

... Interesting indeed.

[phildee3]

It's not a single-line spiral.

It's a coiled tube.

Very regular - so I doubt if it's a faunal effigy (eg. a snake) unless it's highly stylised.

More like mechanical
- or sacred geometry.

[clint_giles]

awesome stuff.

to say the least,been reading erich von daniken lately,and it all makes sense.

[chattanova]

A great watch YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DCCXbWTQNw

[sputnik 666]

"the only conclusion you could possibly arrive at, is that they must have had a way to get to that altitude, so either they could actually fly, or they had flight capabale machines . craft ..... "

Grid system for enlarging pictures.
Can be done to any size you wish.
No need to be 1500ft in the air.

Im not convinced on aliens, and i think they will probably never come up with a good answer as to WHY?

[phildee3]

"the only conclusion you could possibly arrive at, is that they must have had a way to get to that altitude, so either they could actually fly, or they had flight capabale machines . craft ..... "



What about OBEs?
I had one once where I was provably observing the ground from above.

They could also be made using triangulation.