What is Zion? Maybe not a place

[haukipesukone]

What is Zion exactly? I did some googling and found out things like it maybe means capital or fortress. Some fort in Jerusalem was called Zion in those times.

I'm thinking it's not a physical location. Something more spiritual like a state of mind, some link with God or whatever?

Maybe those who are called Zionists are just frauds and true Zionists would care nothing about some patch of land in Israel?

Just conjecture. Please enlighten me.

[haukipesukone]

The word Zion is used repeatedly in all the standard works of the Church, and is defined in latter-day revelation as “the pure in heart”

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/bd/z/19

[rhydra]

Zion means so much, yet so little, almost everything to everyone yet it's one of those words which is completely meaningless.

[haukipesukone]

Zion means so much, yet so little, almost everything to everyone yet it's one of those words which is completely meaningless.

I'm not asking what it means to me or you, but what it actually means in the Bible and what it meant before that. The original meaning.

Zion was originally a Jebusite stronghold located in or near Jerusalem or is equal to Jerusalem. King David captures this stronghold and it is renamed City Of David. David sets up the tabernacle there and Solomon retrieves it from there to place the ark and utensils in the temple. Isaiah mentions that YHWH dwells on Mount Zion (8:18) and later writers relate the name Zion to the eternal Jerusalem (Hebr 12:22) and heaven (Rev 14:1).

Because Zion was originally not Israeli, the name Zion comes to us probably from a language other than Hebrew. TWOTOT mentions an Arabic root s-w-n (under 1910), to protect, defend, which may give Zion the meaning of fortress. Others (says TWOTOT ) suggest derivation from a root saha, be bald.

Spelled the way it is, however, the name Zion is identical to the word (sayon 1909b) meaning place of dryness, from the assumed root (syh 1909). Derivation (siya 1909a), dryness, drought, occurs in Psalm 105:41.
Perhaps the notion of a dry place taps into the creation account, and specifically the third day, or in the Noahic flood account. A dry place is not a place where people die of thirst, but rather a place where the sea is no more, after it has given all her treasures (Rev 21:1).

On the Biblical canvass, the name Zion means Dry Place.

Another name that means Dryness is Horeb.
http://www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/Zion.html

Zion
O.E. Sion, from Gk. Seon, from Heb. Tsiyon, name of a Canaanite hill fortress in Jerusalem captured by David and called in the Bible "City of David." It became the center of Jewish life and worship. Zionism "movement for forming (later supporting) a Jewish national state in Palestine" first attested 1896, from Ger. Zionismus (from Zion + L.-derived suffix -ismus), first recorded 1886 in "Selbstemancipation," by "Matthias Acher" (pseudonym of Nathan Birnbaum).
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Zion


So there was a hill called Zion. Why was it named Zion? I doubt someone decided to call it Zion just because it sounds neat. The word Zion means something. So far I've gotten contradictory explanations. Maybe it's just something like "hill" so someone named a hill Hill. Makes sense, or they named the hill Zion because it symbolized something more.

[rhydra]

Sorry.

I have had a quick look and found this...
http://www.osfa.org.uk/landgauge.htm
Ex-p- An-sion – Ex (growth, after) + PAn (goat god) + An (serpEnt) + sion (zion, AnciEnt kingdom) . ExpAnsion meAns growth of pAn's /An's kingdom.

Though the site might not be too reliable.

Some far more interesting material here.

http://www.viewzone.com/rewrite.html

After the Great Flood in Altai, the survivors took refuge near a famous mountain called Mt. Meru and Si-Yoni (Zion). But troubles among the different tribes caused them to spread out to other nations on earth. Today, Hindus revere Mt. Kailasa in Western Tibet as Mt. Meru or Si-Yoni (the origin or source of mankind).

Other authorities think the original Mt. Meru may be a mountain near Herat, Afghanistan, or even some mountain in Altai, Khaskassia, or Tannu-Tuva. Some of these tribes, such as the ones who came to settle in Palestine (Pala-stan) or today’s Israel, named two mountains near Jerusalem Zion and Moriah (Meru) in remembrance of their ancient homeland back in Central Asia. Over the millenniums they forgot all about their true origins, coming to regard Zion and Moriah as the “source” of their spirituality and being. They are presently trying to kill each other, ignorant that their true source and traditions, even the exact names and records of their prophets, are in India and the Steppe lands of Central Asia.

Just as the forefathers of the Arabs and Israelis became convinced that Palestine and environs were the original Meru (Mt. Moriah) and Si-Yoni (Zion), so also did the Amerindians of both North and South America take their memories of the Altai Flood with them. They also came here with the idea that the Mother Goddess lay far to the north. Centuries later, the Aztecs came to think of Southwestern United States as the northern home of the Mother Goddess. As a result, many Mexican activists, having inherited that Mother Goddess myth from their Amerindian forefathers, are laying claim to the United States as their “divinely inherited” homeland. Little do they know that the home of their “Mother Goddess” is at the North Pole. This is my advice to them: ”Be selfish with your ignorance. Don’t give it away.”

[rhydra]

Bumping what could be a good thread.

[armoured_amazon]

Dunno, but subbed so I can learn something. :)

[lightgiver]

Maybe Zion is within you.:)

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/7080/lionstariismall.jpg (http://img11.imageshack.us/i/lionstariismall.jpg/)

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8721/vydharmakarawmantraoa9.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/i/vydharmakarawmantraoa9.jpg/)

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/1913/ouroborosolomon.jpg (http://img237.imageshack.us/i/ouroborosolomon.jpg/)

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8118/mtvyoginioj1.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/i/mtvyoginioj1.jpg/)

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1785/juda2rc6.jpg (http://img232.imageshack.us/i/juda2rc6.jpg/)

[haukipesukone]

Maybe Zion is within you.:)


That's sort of what I was thinking.


This conundrum, like all of life's questions, might be solved with some etymology. I should try to find a Hebrew etymology dictionary.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

What is Zion exactly? I did some googling and found out things like it maybe means capital or fortress. Some fort in Jerusalem was called Zion in those times.

I'm thinking it's not a physical location. Something more spiritual like a state of mind, some link with God or whatever?

Maybe those who are called Zionists are just frauds and true Zionists would care nothing about some patch of land in Israel?

Just conjecture. Please enlighten me.

You are very close, but Yerushalayim is YHWHs Town, ask Melech Tzedek (melchizedek) :)

http://www.mashiyach.com/kingdom/kingdom.htm

The Kingdom of Elohim is far bigger than most "isms" would have us believe, but in fact the Master of the Universe teaches us about His Kingdom by also allowing a false kingdom to serve as the antipathy of the genuine. You already know the history of Nimrod and the tower of Babel, Nimrod was the first visible head of Babylon, a mortal man who was inspired and "anointed" with unclean spirits that had him elevate his own self importance far beyond the rest of humanity. Babylon was once a physical literal city but today it is a dust heap, what remains of Babylon is the model of government, business and religion that rules the earth through relativism, humanism and materialism. The Kingdom of Elohim is represented by Tsiyon (pronounce Tsee-yone or in English it is called Zion), which is a literal place in the city of modern Jerusalem today, but also symbolizes a spiritual place, the seat of Mashiyach's government.

We have been trained to know Tsiyon from what it is, and what it isn't. Tsiyon is greater than any and all of man's religions on earth, there is no religion who has exclusive rights to Tsiyon. Tsiyon belongs to the people of Mashiyach regardless of religion, race, colour or creed. There are also two Israels, one is the Israel of Elohim and the other is the Israel of the flesh, not all who are Israel of the flesh are the Israel of Elohim. If you can look at a Jew, Christian or Muslim without judging them by their religion or race then you are closer to seeing ZION for how it is revealed in Mashiyach. The Kingdom of Elohim is a government, NOT a religion.

Tsiyon is also the place in your neshama (spirit) where you connect with Mashiyach where your heart receives and gives love for all of Creation, where you can see earthlings through the eyes of Mashiyach and carry no prejudice towards others. The Kingdom is within you, it is not an external government. Over the centuries there have been many Zionistic movements who entrapped their adherents into a nationalistic or a global vision that was not looking towards spiritual Zion but simply a ploy to gain control and power through labour, politics, wealth and strategies for power. The oligarchs of the world have designs on greater and greater world dictatorial power which they have borrowed from Nimrod, the original representative of anti-Zionism.

Who Owns Jerusalem?
A Biblical Perspective

http://ldolphin.org/psalm2.html


Kind Regards

[haukipesukone]

So Tsiyon/Zion is Nirvana or something that connects you to it? What's a Mashiyach?

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

This is Conceptualization, this is Universe/Trans-Dimensional Wide INNER GOVERNMENT, the CESSATION of BULLSHIT and SELF-SERVING ASSHOLES.

Mashiyach is Yahshua haMessiah. Yahwehs Torah(Instruction for Truly
Righteous Behaviour), is now 'written on the hearts of humankind', as prophesied by Yeremyah/Jeremiah 31:33. This Concept was exemplified by the Patriarchs, Matriarchs, Prophets, Yahshua haMessiah and His Apostle/Disciples.

And many, many, many others who never heard of YHWH, Yahshua haMashiyach or Torah.

It is what you do and think, NOT who or what you are.

Lovingkindness.

Agape.

This is why the Scripture of the Book of Yahweh/Bible is not open to 'personal interpretation'.

The Book of Yahweh/Bible is about Behaviour & Intention.

This is where the Rubber hooks up to the Road.

Walk the Talk.

As such, it is a Book of Moral Certitude, NOT Moral Ambiguity or Moral Relativism.

This is why it is known as 'The Ancient Path'; 'The Way'.

A coupla of generations of humans observing YHWHs 'Way', as exemplified by Yahshua haMessiah and others, would 'sort out' Planet Earth quite nicely.

There would be Equity & Parity for ALL Humans.

Sexually Transmitted Diseases would be eliminated, Starvation, Homelessness, Unemployment, Poor Health derived from poor dietary choices, and environmental damages would be eliminated.

There would be no military forces or police forces.

Medical services would mostly only be required for 'accidents', as humans would enjoy much better health.

Please Note: The 'System' kills and persecutes those who bring forth this information.

Be that as it may.............

As long as humankind relies on their own feeble logic & data, it will always remain: The Same Circus, Different Clowns.

;)

Scripture informs us that ultimately this will occur, but only after alot more injustice and suffering.

3,000,000,000 humans live on less then $2 a Day, personally, that is my Tobacco Ration.

35,000 children under the age of 5 die everyday from preventable causes.

Like the Bumper Stickers say: WE, ourselves, have to be the change you want to see in the world.

So; if one happens to be an exploitative, self-serving asshole that lies, cheats and steals, then they are part of the problem.

On the other hand: If your hearts desire is TRULY for the Health, Safety and Wellbeing of your Neighbour and yourself, then you are part of the solution.

Yahwehs Torah separates the Bullshit from the Truth, which is why peeps don't like YHWH.

YHWH 'calls' us on our Bullshit..

Repent=Change Mind (yours)


Sin=Transgression of YHWHs Torah

The Torah is a Mirror, it only works if you look into it, not at it.


Kind Regards

Knowing Yeshua Mashiyach

"The Way the Truth and the Life"


http://www.mashiyach.com/knowhim.htm

http://www.mashiyach.com/kingdom/why.htm

http://www.mashiyach.com/Meditate/anoint.htm


Yeshua said,



"As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue in my love. If you keep my commandments, you shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in His love. These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That you love one another, as I have loved you. Greater love has no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. You are my friends, if you do whatsoever I command you. Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knows not what his master does: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you." John 15:9-15

See? No 'secrets'.




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