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jason_bourne
21-12-2009, 10:58 AM
For years so called 'conspiracy theorists' have been palmed off as being 'loonies' or 'tin-foil-hat wearers' for nothing more than asking difficult questions in leiu of getting to to the crux of any conspiratorial topic i.e. the TRUTH. Something the Main stream media conveniently ignores when it suits them.

One topic in particular 'conspiracy theorists' have been raising for over 20 years, but more prominantally since George Bush Sr. first uttered the words during a speech on September 11th 1991, is that of the 'New World Order'.

Now, it seems the MSM are finally beginning to broadcast the plans of the elitists to usher in a form of world government and that it IS NOT A GOOD IDEA.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." Gandhi

Today's Telegraph:

There'll be nowhere to run from the new world government
'Global' thinking won't necessarily solve the world's problems, says Janet Daley
By Janet Daley
Published: 7:24PM GMT 19 Dec 2009

Comments 245 | Comment on this article

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There is scope for debate – and innumerable newspaper quizzes – about who was the most influential public figure of the year, or which the most significant event. But there can be little doubt which word won the prize for most important adjective. 2009 was the year in which "global" swept the rest of the political lexicon into obscurity. There were "global crises" and "global challenges", the only possible resolution to which lay in "global solutions" necessitating "global agreements". Gordon Brown actually suggested something called a "global alliance" in response to climate change. (Would this be an alliance against the Axis of Extra-Terrestrials?)

Some of this was sheer hokum: when uttered by Gordon Brown, the word "global", as in "global economic crisis", meant: "It's not my fault". To the extent that the word had intelligible meaning, it also had political ramifications that were scarcely examined by those who bandied it about with such ponderous self-importance. The mere utterance of it was assumed to sweep away any consideration of what was once assumed to be the most basic principle of modern democracy: that elected national governments are responsible to their own people – that the right to govern derives from the consent of the electorate.

The dangerous idea that the democratic accountability of national governments should simply be dispensed with in favour of "global agreements" reached after closed negotiations between world leaders never, so far as I recall, entered into the arena of public discussion. Except in the United States, where it became a very contentious talking point, the US still holding firmly to the 18th-century idea that power should lie with the will of the people.

Nor was much consideration given to the logical conclusion of all this grandiose talk of global consensus as unquestionably desirable: if there was no popular choice about approving supranational "legally binding agreements", what would happen to dissenters who did not accept their premises (on climate change, for example) when there was no possibility of fleeing to another country in protest? Was this to be regarded as the emergence of world government? And would it have powers of policing and enforcement that would supersede the authority of elected national governments? In effect, this was the infamous "democratic deficit" of the European Union elevated on to a planetary scale. And if the EU model is anything to go by, then the agencies of global authority will involve vast tracts of power being handed to unelected officials. Forget the relatively petty irritations of Euro‑bureaucracy: welcome to the era of Earth-bureaucracy, when there will be literally nowhere to run.

But, you may say, however dire the political consequences, surely there is something in this obsession with global dilemmas. Economics is now based on a world market, and if the planet really is facing some sort of man-made climate crisis, then that too is a problem that transcends national boundaries. Surely, if our problems are universal the solutions must be as well.

Well, yes and no. Calling a problem "global" is meant to imply three different things: that it is the result of the actions of people in different countries; that those actions have impacted on the lives of everyone in the world; and that the remedy must involve pretty much identical responses or correctives to those actions. These are separate premises, any of which might be true without the rest of them necessarily being so. The banking crisis certainly had its roots in the international nature of finance, but the way it affected countries and peoples varied considerably according to the differences in their internal arrangements. Britain suffered particularly badly because of its addiction to public and private debt, whereas Australia escaped relatively unscathed.

That a problem is international in its roots does not necessarily imply that the solution must involve the hammering out of a uniform global prescription: in fact, given the differences in effects and consequences for individual countries, the attempt to do such hammering might be a huge waste of time and resources that could be put to better use devising national remedies. France and Germany seem to have pulled themselves out of recession over the past year (and the US may be about to do so) while Britain has not. These variations owe almost nothing to the pompous, overblown attempts to find global solutions: they are largely to do with individual countries, under the pressure of democratic accountability, doing what they decide is best for their own people.

This is not what Mr Brown calls "narrow self-interest", or "beggar my neighbour" ruthlessness. It is the proper business of elected national leaders to make judgments that are appropriate for the conditions of their own populations. It is also right that heads of nations refuse to sign up to "legally binding" global agreements which would disadvantage their own people. The resistance of the developing nations to a climate change pact that would deny them the kind of economic growth and mass prosperity to which advanced countries have become accustomed is not mindless selfishness: it is proper regard for the welfare of their own citizens.

The word "global" has taken on sacred connotations. Any action taken in its name must be inherently virtuous, whereas the decisions of individual countries are necessarily "narrow" and self-serving. (Never mind that a "global agreement" will almost certainly be disproportionately influenced by the most powerful nations.) Nor is our era so utterly unlike previous ones, for all its technological sophistication. We have always needed multilateral agreements, whether about trade, organised crime, border controls, or mutual defence.

If the impact of our behaviour on humanity at large is much greater or more rapid than ever before then we shall have to find ways of dealing with that which do not involve sacrificing the most enlightened form of government ever devised. There is a whiff of totalitarianism about this new theology, in which the risks are described in such cosmic terms that everything else must give way. "Globalism" is another form of the internationalism that has been a core belief of the Left: a commitment to class rather than country seemed an admirable antidote to the "blood and soil" nationalism that gave rise to fascism.

The nation-state has never quite recovered from the bad name it acquired in the last century as the progenitor of world war. But if it is to be relegated to the dustbin of history then we had better come up with new mechanisms for allowing people to have a say in how they are governed. Maybe that could be next year's global challenge.

Source (Click to read and add comments): http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/janetdaley/6845967/Therell-be-nowhere-to-run-from-the-new-world-government.html

tinyint
21-12-2009, 11:04 AM
Just keep ignoring them.
Once they lost majority of believers/customers, its GAME OVER :D

They are desperate, and want to catch up.
We don't need them to tell us what to think.

hold_that_thought
21-12-2009, 11:52 AM
I wonder if Janet Daley will be fixing up an interview with DI?

frase
21-12-2009, 12:20 PM
Great post.....
I have been thinking about this for a while..
Every blog you go onto online on 9/11 or climate change, people are so awake....The mainstream media is fucked unless it finally starts addressing the truth.....

frase
21-12-2009, 12:26 PM
@Jason Bourne......GREAT QUOTE......sends hairs up my arms...as does this....

Rocky 4 - Training Scene - Hearts On Fire.mpg - YouTube

kappy0405
21-12-2009, 08:46 PM
they have to warm people up to the idea as it becomes more and more obvious leading up to the final implementation.

ex..
-before 911, there was random news about al-qaeda & terrorism, etc.
-currently, there's all sorts of lies and propaganda going on to demonize Iran, and the possibility of an offensive against them.

this means it's coming.

princessofwands
21-12-2009, 08:52 PM
in the same Sunday Telegraph was this article by Christopher Booker pointing out that Copenhagen was all about carbon trading...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/6845686/Copenhagen-accord-keeps-Big-Carbon-in-business.html

wakeup2nwo
21-12-2009, 08:54 PM
@Jason Bourne......GREAT QUOTE......sends hairs up my arms...as does this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UaLL79KJEc

great post from the thread starter! im just quoting frase because his link didnt show up!!

muddyleopard
21-12-2009, 09:54 PM
great post ... and i agree, almost game over - they will throw a lot more shit at us yet, but it's rebounding in their faces. educate, educate, educate everyone you know. my christmas present to everyone this year is a copy of 'freedom to fascism'. my 9-year-old son knows what to do if there's a vaccination offer (run like hell). keep it up.

vera susa
21-12-2009, 09:54 PM
Give us break...this is only one more step closer to
THE CATHOLIC (UNIVERSAL) One World Religion
PLOT being ushered in.

Asked about this...thought it was known, THEY,
as in The VATICAN are TAKING DOWN "christianity"
FROM THE INSIDE OUT...

I posted on Graham Richardson a few pages back,
being a Sydney "MARIST" boy...that MARY WORSHIP,
the CODE for WHORE worship...in that even The Christ said
NOT to put his mother above those of the HOLY SPIRIT...

...anyway, all those of TRINITARIAN PUSHING MOBS
are DENYING what God taught, for the VATICAN'S LIES,
so Anglican, Catholic, whatever, the truly educated in
those religions, KNOW they are NOT FOLLOWING Christ,
especially one of RUDD'S CHINESE education...

oh, and as to the apologetic, second article, being a council
employee, etc., is NOT a sign of UNDER Privileged, but almost,
the opposite, in that THE COMSPIRACY can NOT be pulled off
without countless schills, ACTING like 'common average Joes',
suckering in the actual average Joes...from the INSIDE OUT...
dirty rotten cheating LOSERS!


Rudd's decision to take holy communion
at Catholic mass causes debate

* Samantha Maiden, Online political editor
* From: The Australian
* December 16, 2009 12:00AM


KEVIN Rudd's decision to take holy communion
at the Mary MacKillop Memorial Chapel in Sydney
has sparked debate within the Catholic Church
because he is a practising Anglican.

The controversy mirrors a debate nearly a decade ago when Jeff Kennett complained he was sent a letter by Cardinal George Pell instructing him not to take communion at the state funeral of prominent Catholic B.A. Santamaria, despite the then Victorian premier's own shift to Catholicism.

The Australian has confirmed that the chaplain and sisters at the chapel were caught unawares by the Prime Minister's visit on Sunday.

They were concerned that they could face criticism from church authorities for allowing him to accept communion.

While Mr Rudd was baptised and raised as a Catholic,
he attends Anglican services with his wife, Therese Rein.

He once quipped:
"It's a unity ticket but I never resigned from Rome."

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His embrace of both denominations poses a dilemma,
because the Catholic Church sets out detailed guidelines
on how Catholics should prepare themselves
to receive the Lord's body and blood in communion.

Ultimately, the chaplain present, Father Graeme Malone,
did not give the Prime Minister communion.
Instead, one of the nuns did so.

"Technically, the priest is not able to give communion regardless
of whether he is the Prime Minister or a pauper in the street,"
said a member of the congregation.
"I think the nun did the right thing, however.

"We wouldn't want to embarrass the Prime Minister."

The Sisters of St Joseph said they had no comment on the incident
and would not discuss the Prime Minister's private faith.

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has accused
Mr Rudd of
exploiting the expected canonisation
of Mother Mary for political gain.

He said: "It's a matter between the Prime Minister,
the church and his conscience."

Mr Rudd has attended the chapel previously for private prayer.

~~~~~~~~~~~

Glossing over
Kevin Rudd's
Catholic school days

Tom Cranitch
May 15, 2007

Why does Kevin Rudd gloss over his Catholic school days?
A recent article in the Sydney Morning Herald contended that
Kevin Rudd’s experiences as a junior secondary school student
at Brisbane’s Marist College Ashgrove
in the early 1970s could have been responsible for
his move away from Catholicism to Anglican worship
and shaped his politics.
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It has been suggested Rudd likes to gloss over his
18 month tenure at the so-called elite college
because it contradicts the story of a hard-luck childhood
he has allegedly 'spun' to the electorate.

I attended Marist College Ashgrove
nearly a decade later than Rudd, as a day student not a boarder.
However, my experience does share some similarities
to what is documented of Rudd's experience.
Both Rudd and I were the youngest children in our families,
and we both attended the school in the year succeeding
the sudden deaths of our fathers.
We both had experience of the dormitory lifestyle
of the boarding component of the college,
mine as a lay supervisor in the late 1980s,
and we both later joined the Australian Labor Party.

If the Herald article is correct it may explain
Rudd’s apparently indifferent and tepid acknowledgement
of his association with the college.
The significance of the Ashgrove experience may go beyond
any influence it may have had on Rudd’s faith and politics.
More importantly, it may have influenced his personal integrity
and approach to leadership.

It is true that too little is still known of the Opposition Leader.
He has assumed the leadership of his party with less parliamentary
experience than his predecessor, Mark Latham,
whose leadership deficiencies are still raw in the minds of
the Australian electorate. The polls — whether or not you
put much faith in them — indicate Rudd is only a handful
of months away from being our next Prime Minister.

Undoubtedly Rudd’s brief period at Ashgrove would have left
a strong impression on a young boy still suffering from
the loss of his father, but this period is less likely to have caused him
to eschew his Catholicism, or forever to have shaped his politics.

The Herald article is misleading. Neither by the standards of today
nor those of the Rudd era could Marist College Ashgrove
be considered an elite school. Rudd would not have been the only son
of a share farmer or a nurse boarding at the school at that time.
Historically the college has had a broad socio-economic mix of boys
attending the school. My best friends in the 70s and 80s reflect this.
One friend’s father worked on the wharfs, another owned and developed large tracts of Gold Coast hinterland property. Another one had a father
who was a grader operator for the local shire council, and another was
the son of a Brisbane public servant. This mixture of backgrounds added
to the culture and spirit of the school at that time.

Why does Kevin Rudd gloss over his Catholic school days?
It is a stretch to view Rudd’s Ashgrove as being overly dogmatic.
The Marist Brothers are a Catholic order of French origin
noted for a progressive theology.
This theology would have been given renewed vigour
in the period after the Second Vatican Council.
But yes, it was a quintessentially institutional Catholic school.
We had public displays of prayer and worship and
a strong devotion to the Virgin Mary.
We regularly inscribed JMJ (Jesus, Mary and Joseph)
at the top of our workbooks.
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Rudd’s reflection though, as quoted in the Herald article,
that there was a culture which condoned violence, has merit.
Like many boys’ schools, Catholic or otherwise, not just of the era
but both before and after, Marist College Ashgrove could be
uncompromisingly and physically tough.
It formed its young men according to the motto Viriliter Age
interpreted then as 'Be A Man' but recast in post-modern times
as 'To Act Courageously'. This would have been intimidating for a shy,
non-sportsman grieving a father’s loss at such a crucial stage in his development. Even in my senior year as a school prefect,
and with reasonable sporting achievements behind me, I hid the pain
of my father’s death from my friends and the school community.
I shunned any talk of him and went missing from father/son gatherings.
It was not the done thing to display a weakness.

On balance, it is hard to see how the college had the pervasive impact
on Rudd that the Herald article suggests. Far more probable is the contention the school was not a 'fit' for him at that stage in his,
and its, existence. To go searching for darker shadows that do not
seem to exist runs the risk of sullying the reputation of a strong
Brisbane institution and intruding into a public citizen’s private life.


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