Demonic attack as a result of spiritism

[1964]

I've noticed how there's a high concentration of people in this forum who suffer from one "mental illness" or another. I want to ask people to at least consider the possibility that there's a connection between this and the various forms of spiritism that many people in the forum are involved in. Since many of these forms of spiritism (if not all of them) involve the person inviting these alien spirit beings to enter their lives, and even their very minds, then doesn't it stand to reason that these spirit beings are going to take people up on their invitations? And since these spirit beings are alien, in the sense that people can't positively identify the spirits they're opening themselves up to, then isn't it a possibility that these spirits are evil and only want to cause you harm?

I want to ask you all to please seriously consider the possible connection between any mental suffering you might be having to endure, and the spiritual practices you engage in.

[zarah]

I haven't notice many people who suffer from mental illness. Have they told you they are?

[1964]

I haven't notice many people who suffer from mental illness. Have they told you they are?

Some have said it to me directly, others talk about it openly in the forum.

[1964]

Just over 4 minutes long

Psychiatry EXPOSED! - YouTube

[azureangel]

Having worked in the mental health field...also studied at psychic institute. Many "mentally ill" people are just very sensitive psychically. Of course our culture denies these abilities and for those who cannot turn them off, they end up being diagnosed.

Having said that, there are a lot of sensitive people who are using substances to ameliorate their emotional pain. Particularly alcohol and yes, cannabis. This concerns me, because the more senstive we are, the less our spirits are actually grounded in our physical bodies. And substances do put us right out of our bodies, that's partially why we like them so much. But, then in come other energies or entities. It's very hard to create or even hold our own as sensitives in our bodies if we are getting high on a regular basis. Even this DMT, I think anything you use often will block your own capabilities eventually. And watch out for those drugs! You know who is bringing them in!
I found levels of euphoria, once I quit getting high, that I'd never experienced before. Yes it took time but it's worth it. Love, angel

[mrs houdini]

Hi All,
Let me tell you my story. I used to go to a spitrital church yonks ago, only getting the occasional reading everyone was very nice and friendly. I stopped going due to work commitments etc, In 2008 July I attended my daughters wedding in Winchester and had to stay in a hotel with my family, the first one was lovely and we spent 3 nights there but the 4th night we had to go to another in Andover I wont name the hotel, but this is what happened to me I am a nurse dealing with death on a daily bacis and have never been scared. I went to bed and awoke the next morning a completly different person afraid of my own shadow now this hotel was built in the 1400 hundreds and I would describe it a a little creepy but what the hell I had just seen my daughter married to a lovely guy and I never had to plan any of it they did it by them selves so for the next 12 months, I could not leave the house, was afraid to stay in my own home alone as I .did not know what I would do to myself any way I was diagnosed with bipolar in july of this year, and put on medication and now I am alright I can work and have no negitive thoughts. I dont know what happened but it scared me to the point of insanity.
Please be kind with your comments as I have realy never spoke about it before, but the OP wanted experiances
Love and Peace,
Linda, :eek: I dont drink or have never used any drugs apart from my medication

[1964]

Having worked in the mental health field...also studied at psychic institute. Many "mentally ill" people are just very sensitive psychically. Of course our culture denies these abilities and for those who cannot turn them off, they end up being diagnosed.

Having said that, there are a lot of sensitive people who are using substances to ameliorate their emotional pain. Particularly alcohol and yes, cannabis. This concerns me, because the more senstive we are, the less our spirits are actually grounded in our physical bodies. And substances do put us right out of our bodies, that's partially why we like them so much. But, then in come other energies or entities. It's very hard to create or even hold our own as sensitives in our bodies if we are getting high on a regular basis. Even this DMT, I think anything you use often will block your own capabilities eventually. And watch out for those drugs! You know who is bringing them in!
I found levels of euphoria, once I quit getting high, that I'd never experienced before. Yes it took time but it's worth it. Love, angel

You said, "Many mentally ill people are just very sensitive psychically".

I think this is a crucial question you presented. Is it that the people were "psychicially sensitive", and that made them more vulnerable to "mental illness"? Or it their pursuit of "psychic sensitivity" that led them to become "mentally ill"?

"Psychic ability" commonly involves consulting with alien spirits. So the person opens up that doorway, invites these spirits to come in, and then at some later time they begin to suffer from mental illness. But what if they had shut that door to begin with, and never opened it? How do we know they would have still ended up "mentally ill"?

[mrs houdini]

Hi 1964,
Thanks for posting the link. I am now going to ask my G.P. what he thinks of it. I can only speak for my self and since starting my medication I can now enjoy my life again and I am almost back to my old self, I can work socialise ,but before I had very bad thoughts about harming myself and ending it all, my poor partner and the one daughter that still lives with us thought they where going to lose me to this other person who was living with them ( me ) as my personality changed dramaticly and I did not care about any thing not even getting dressed or washing, I sat in my chair from I got up untill I went to bed never spoke and just shook the whole time dont know what the meds do but I am enjoying life once again. Please be kind with your comments as you all can imagine it has taken a lot for me to open up about this :o

Love and Peace,
Linda,:)

[1964]

Hi All,
Let me tell you my story. I used to go to a spitrital church yonks ago, only getting the occasional reading everyone was very nice and friendly. I stopped going due to work commitments etc, In 2008 July I attended my daughters wedding in Winchester and had to stay in a hotel with my family, the first one was lovely and we spent 3 nights there but the 4th night we had to go to another in Andover I wont name the hotel, but this is what happened to me I am a nurse dealing with death on a daily bacis and have never been scared. I went to bed and awoke the next morning a completly different person afraid of my own shadow now this hotel was built in the 1400 hundreds and I would describe it a a little creepy but what the hell I had just seen my daughter married to a lovely guy and I never had to plan any of it they did it by them selves so for the next 12 months, I could not leave the house, was afraid to stay in my own home alone as I .did not know what I would do to myself any way I was diagnosed with bipolar in july of this year, and put on medication and now I am alright I can work and have no negitive thoughts. I dont know what happened but it scared me to the point of insanity.
Please be kind with your comments as I have realy never spoke about it before, but the OP wanted experiances
Love and Peace,
Linda, :eek: I dont drink or have never used any drugs apart from my medication

I am so hoping, like you said, that if people join the thread to talk about this, everyone will remain kind and sensitive. I think it has to be approached honestly, but mental suffering is also one of the worst kinds of suffering there is.

Ok, so it sounds to me like what you experienced was a spiritual attack. And a severe one at that. And then as a "cure", the doctor put you on these medications and you say the medications worked. But, prior to the attack, you did have some involvement in spiritism. So it's still possible, then, that what I was saying in the OP is the cause of what happened: Perhaps it's when you opened this door to invite these alien spirits in, that's when they came in waiting for the time when they wanted to attack you. Maybe the setting they chose (the creepy hotel) just made it more 'fun' for them.

Here's the thing. I'm convinced, after everything I've seen and been through, that these "mental illnesses" are all spiritual in nature. And that only Christ has the power to protect a person against these evil spirits that attack people.

Now if what Christ has said is false, then your medications worked and you never need to worry about it again. But if Christ has told us the truth (which I believe He has), then this won't be the end of it. This is what I want people to know. When the medications don't work anymore, there's still reason to hope - His name is Jesus Christ.

What are you own feelings about it all? When all this happened to you, did you feel you were being attacked in some manner you couldn't describe? As in spiritually/mentally attacked? Or do you believe there's a medical explanation for it all?

[mrs houdini]

Hi 1964,
At the start I did think I had been attacked by a demonic being, but you know if you go about saying these things I was scared they would put me in a mental hospital I prayed daily to anyone who was listening, and you wont get me near any spirtal church again as these forces are not to be messed with thank you for starting this if I can help just one person from going through what I did then it will have been worth it and yes I now believe I was attacked by a demonic force.:eek:

Love and Peace,
Linda, :)

[justnotsure]

Ok so let's assume that you might be right - is there anything that can be done to drive out these demons.

[1964]

Ok so let's assume that you might be right - is there anything that can be done to drive out these demons.

It was by researching psychiatry, and then my own experiences with it, that I was eventually forced to wonder whether this was even a legitimate profession. I found no evidence to prove that it was, and have still found no evidence for it. And I'm someone who once wanted to be a psychiatrist. I fully believed this was a legitimate profession.

Next thing is, I witnessed it myself how Jesus Christ could instantly heal a person that doctors hadn't been able to cure. And that includes even me. That drove me to research psychiatry even more in-depth; and it drove me to think again about some of the things that Christ has said in Scripture .....

When we repent of our sins, we are born again. When we are born again, God promises us a spirit of courage and a sound mind. I thought, why would God promise people a "sound mind"? And courage?

I remembered how Salvation in Christ is called the "Helmet of Salvation". I thought, why a helmet? And I thought about what a helmet protects - it protects the head, which protects the mind.

I remembered how Jesus Christ said that this life, in this world, is a spiritual war. And how the devil works to lead people away from Christ, and deeper into sin, where they have no protection against the devil.

There's even a piece of Scripture that describes a particular kind of demonic possession, which happens to also describe the precise way that "schizophrenia" behaves.

In the end, the answer became obvious to me. Doctors had their explanation for "mental illness", and they couldn't really cure anyone. Jesus Christ also explains mental illness, telling us that it's spiritual in nature, and I saw how Christ could drive out demons and heal people instantaneously because even the demons believe there is one God, and they fear Him.

Here's a video I found for you. Please watch it to the end, whatever you think of it. I've met people who've lived through it. I've lived through it. Please watch it.

Lighthouse Everything Skit - YouTube

[justnotsure]

Thank you that is incredibly beautiful.....and deeply unfashionable....my interpretation of demons as described in the gospels is that it is a term used then that people would understand but what we would now describe as "the shadow"/false selves....but what do I know...Jesus described them as demons and said that there was spiritual warfare and I happen to trust him. You have made me want to investigate this more, thank you.

[sofa king]

Ok so let's assume that you might be right - is there anything that can be done to drive out these demons.



yes. you can actually drive them out of yourself with the help and guidance of a legitimate psychic healer.

[mark1963]

My neighbour is psychologically unbalanced and has frequent very loud and arguments with his wife and children.

After watching Stuart Swerdlow recently I have been psychically protecting the whole family.

Now they dio not argue or even raise voices any more.

There have been two occasions where I have forgotten to do this.

Both times an argument started - I could hear it through the walls.

I then used the protection and within a few minutes all was calm.

This is proof to me that psychic - somethings - are getting to this man.

[biblegirl]

I've noticed how there's a high concentration of people in this forum who suffer from one "mental illness" or another. I want to ask people to at least consider the possibility that there's a connection between this and the various forms of spiritism that many people in the forum are involved in. Since many of these forms of spiritism (if not all of them) involve the person inviting these alien spirit beings to enter their lives, and even their very minds, then doesn't it stand to reason that these spirit beings are going to take people up on their invitations? And since these spirit beings are alien, in the sense that people can't positively identify the spirits they're opening themselves up to, then isn't it a possibility that these spirits are evil and only want to cause you harm?

I want to ask you all to please seriously consider the possible connection between any mental suffering you might be having to endure, and the spiritual practices you engage in.

I definitely believe that most mental illness and even some physical illness is the direct result of spirit attack. I would agree that there are cases where people involved in invoking spirits and channeling cause the spiritual issues they are experiencing (ie. the elite and religious leaders are a prime example of possession through involvement with entities). But there are many factors involving whether or not you will have issues with these spirits. These factors include genetics, vaccinations, drugs, emotions, living in areas of strong EMF like under power lines, alchohol, certain foods. I don't believe this is an issue of born again or not born again, although many spiritual instructions have been shown to us through holy scriptures which will help protect us from those beings. Spirits can be driven away from or attracted to things not related at all to religious beliefs (smells, music, stones, etc.) I know from experience that professed christians can drive themselves into exhaustion in unsuccessful exorcism attempts, and I have also seen christians possessed by demons themselves, which is something they assume they are immune from for the most part. I myself tried to pray away spirits with no success, only to find out later that it was the frequency of the room which was allowing them in. We have been given misunderstandings of the spirit world imo.

Having worked in the mental health field...also studied at psychic institute. Many "mentally ill" people are just very sensitive psychically. Of course our culture denies these abilities and for those who cannot turn them off, they end up being diagnosed.

Having said that, there are a lot of sensitive people who are using substances to ameliorate their emotional pain. Particularly alcohol and yes, cannabis. This concerns me, because the more senstive we are, the less our spirits are actually grounded in our physical bodies. And substances do put us right out of our bodies, that's partially why we like them so much. But, then in come other energies or entities. It's very hard to create or even hold our own as sensitives in our bodies if we are getting high on a regular basis. Even this DMT, I think anything you use often will block your own capabilities eventually.

Very good and true summary.

I went to bed and awoke the next morning a completly different person afraid of my own shadow now this hotel was built in the 1400 hundreds and I would describe it a a little creepy but what the hell I had just seen my daughter married to a lovely guy and I never had to plan any of it they did it by them selves so for the next 12 months, I could not leave the house, was afraid to stay in my own home alone as I .did not know what I would do to myself any way I was diagnosed with bipolar in july of this year, and put on medication and now I am alright I can work and have no negitive thoughts. I dont know what happened but it scared me to the point of insanity.

Hello thanks for sharing your experience! The hotel you went to was most likely inhabited by spirits and perhaps even over an energetic hot spot. I deal a lot with this in my threads on the earths magnetic grid. There are some places where our physical dimension and the spiritual dimension stream into each other and we experience supernatural phenomena. Whether the hotel you experienced had an original or manufactured doorway, I can't say without seeing it on a map. But there are also rituals conducted to rip holes in our dimensions which allow spirits in at some locations, and the unsuspecting people to visit these locations end up being affected by the spirit world although they can't understand why. I study this field at great length, and the best guess i can offer for your experience based on what you've posted so far, is that the two events you mentioned (spiritual church readings and the hotel incident) are not all that related. I don't want to lead you astray on this though, if you know intuitively that the events were connected then I would trust your feelings more than my guess. It would help if you explained what was involved in the readings. For instance did the people conjure up spirits to answer questions? That would be my biggest question. I will address your other posts too.

You said, "Many mentally ill people are just very sensitive psychically".

I think this is a crucial question you presented. Is it that the people were "psychicially sensitive", and that made them more vulnerable to "mental illness"? Or it their pursuit of "psychic sensitivity" that led them to become "mentally ill"?

"Psychic ability" commonly involves consulting with alien spirits. So the person opens up that doorway, invites these spirits to come in, and then at some later time they begin to suffer from mental illness. But what if they had shut that door to begin with, and never opened it? How do we know they would have still ended up "mentally ill"?

I understand where you're coming from 1964, but I can tell you from experience it does not necessarily work that way and i think that is a backwards assumption. IMO people don't have to open doorways for these things to get in, and not everyone even has the same ability to open doorways. But, it can happen that people interacting with spirits is what leads them into dark stuff and mental illnesses. Psychic ability and spirit interaction affects children all the time who have nothing to do with opening doorways, so we can't always blame people for the spiritual experiences they are having imo. Now it is a much different situation if people pursue communication with certain ETs first, then have mental illness as a result. Then you can logically say that it was a cause and effect situation. This is very risky business imo, and I have not involved myself in it because I am not confident I could distinguish between angels and demons in disguise. In regards to the people involved in it I am not sure they can distinguish either :confused: but that is not for me to say. I would consider my own psychic abilities to be natural-born and strong at some times, but it has never involved attempting communication with entities except for creator God.

[mrs houdini]

Hi Biblegirl,
Thanks for taking the time to answer my post. The meeting's I went to where the one's where a medium would come to you and say I have a spirit here who has a message for you sometime's they would describe my dad or other relation who has passed on so I thought they were o.k. I now know not to go near any of this as I dont fully understand it. Thanks again.

Love and Peace,
Linda,:)

[1964]

biblegirl

Hi biblegirl,

The areas you're hitting on is where it starts to become a bit more complicated. A great number of the warnings given in Scripture aren't addressed to unbelievers, but to believers. Warnings against following a false gospel; and false spirits; and false Christs. All unrepentant sin will be judged by Christ on that day of Judgement, but not all sin will be judged equally. God is clear that it is a far greater crime to say we believe in Christ, but then to pervert the Word of God, than it is to never have believed in Him at all. Even the devils believe there is One God, and they tremble. Making it clear that it's not enough to simply believe.

So then a person who professes to believe in Christ, but who is attacked or troubled by the devil because they have either perverted the Word of God or because they've mingled God's Word together with various forms of spiritism and new age teachings, well then that person has their answer. They've done this very dangerous thing that Christ has warned them not to do. Since they haven't taken Christ at His Word, and they haven't believed His warnings, now they've gotten themselves into extreme danger with both God and the devil. They've done the identical thing the Antichrist does, giving the Antichrist authority over them; and now they're also in danger of God's Judgement and His wrath.

My point is this. We've learned to use the names of Christ and Christianity very liberally. But God, Himself, warns that it's not enough to simply believe. Simply calling oneself a "Christian" is not what protects a person against the devil. This explains why people who only profess to be Christians can still be so tormented by the devil. The devil isn't afraid of words, or what people choose to call themselves. He's afraid of Jesus Christ.

Now you also mentioned children as well. And that becomes even more complicated again. There are important questions to be asked when it's children who are being attacked by the devil and his demons. Beginning, first, with what are the adults involved in who surround these children? Evil and sin are powerful and far-reaching. If, as adults, we invite these things into our lives, then we not only endanger ourselves, but we also endanger the children God has gifted us with.

I agree with you that there are those instances where the devil tries to attack when he has no right to attack. The devil lives to destroy people. But it happens far, far more often that it's the people who live their lives in such a way that they hand the devil authority over their lives. In this forum alone, I've met many people who profess to believe in Jesus Christ. But so far, I've met only one person in the whole group who both professes to believe in Christ and who also follows the Word of God strictly. It doesn't surprise me, then, that many of these people are suffering the way Christ warned they would suffer. They profess to believe in Christ, and then they follow someone or something else.

[dedicate]

A lot of mental illness -- serious kind -- is due to abuse and neglect as a child. Whether this is demonic or physical is another thing, but the cause of the illnesss is rooted in child abuse. This is very much the cause.-- not spiritualism.

Spiritualism is neither good nor bad in itself, but depends on the use. Actaully it is considered "part of the process" of growing up spiritually, but not to be made much of.

Spiritual knowledge should not be discouraged.-- nor should spiritual ability. Most Children are very spiritually able. A lot of those immaginary friends are real. Making it known to Children that this is something adults are anti-thetical to is not a good idea.

[biblegirl]

So then a person who professes to believe in Christ, but who is attacked or troubled by the devil because they have either perverted the Word of God or because they've mingled God's Word together with various forms of spiritism and new age teachings, well then that person has their answer. They've done this very dangerous thing that Christ has warned them not to do. Since they haven't taken Christ at His Word, and they haven't believed His warnings, now they've gotten themselves into extreme danger with both God and the devil. They've done the identical thing the Antichrist does, giving the Antichrist authority over them; and now they're also in danger of God's Judgement and His wrath.

I'm sorry if this is what you think of me, but i can say for certain that the part i bolded above did not in any way apply to the past incidents i posted about...i think job's story even clearly shows that innocent people are attacked by spirits for no apparent reason, simply because of what is going on in the higher dimensions...job did not pervert the word of god or mingle with spiritism, yet a heavenly dispute put entities into his life in a big way, to the point of physical illness and what some would probably classify mental illness (shaving your head and sitting in ashes while scraping yourself with pottery shards and crying).

Assuming most people with spiritual problems and mental illness are to blame for those things is just a misunderstanding i think. It's a lot of guesswork and assumptions trying to trace that one time someone might have been near a Ouija board and connecting it with anything paranormal they might experience later in life. It's because imo Christianity does not show people how the spiritual dimensions operate. It just allows for a few concepts like invisible angels and demons and heaven and hell, while leaving the rest to our imagination. As a child I was expected to live in complete ignorance on spiritual matters. Questioning or curiosity for how these things really worked was strictly forbidden, because it was better to be safe than sorry. Still, it's all in the bible imo. It contains golden information as far as esoteric things go, and I think you could find out most everything about the spirit world if you can read it without church influence and false doctrines.


My point is this. We've learned to use the names of Christ and Christianity very liberally. But God, Himself, warns that it's not enough to simply believe. Simply calling oneself a "Christian" is not what protects a person against the devil. This explains why people who only profess to be Christians can still be so tormented by the devil. The devil isn't afraid of words, or what people choose to call themselves. He's afraid of Jesus Christ.

There are certain conditions for spirit attack and also certain conditions required to get rid of spirits. I do not think medications get rid of them, I think it just closes off certain spiritual senses of a person so that they can't hear/see them anymore. I do think certain smells, sounds, stones, etc. can get rid of them because they are not vibrationally compatible. For instance when Saul had issues with an evil spirit, the people looked for a musician to "cure" him. It didn't matter who the musician was, although it played a big part later....it mattered that the music gave off certain vibrations that the spirit didn't want to be around. There was a time in Mark 9 when the disciples were upset that they couldn't cast out an extraordinarily powerful demon. It didn't have to do with them not being christian enough or having enough faith, but they hadn't reached a certain spiritual capacity which requires prayer and fasting. Prayer and fasting will open up anyone to spiritually profound experiences. It enables them to get a better glimpse of reality so they know how spirits and humans interact. Fasting is not just about showing devotion to God. It's preparing your own mind and body for great spiritual things.

Now you also mentioned children as well. And that becomes even more complicated again. There are important questions to be asked when it's children who are being attacked by the devil and his demons. Beginning, first, with what are the adults involved in who surround these children? Evil and sin are powerful and far-reaching. If, as adults, we invite these things into our lives, then we not only endanger ourselves, but we also endanger the children God has gifted us with.


IMO it doesn't have to be that someone, somewhere, had to be involved in evil for there to be these spiritual problems. I don't know if you believe in haunted houses, but these are a source of torment for innocent children and adults everywhere. The location is energetically contaminated. It doesn't have to mean that occult activity happened there at some point, although that does happens too. These places need to be spiritually cleansed, and until people are willing to find out how exactly the spiritual realm affects us, they will continue in frustration trying things that don't work to rid their house of the demons. Meanwhile the children are seeing and hearing spirit beings and it's certainly not their fault. But it's possible it will lead to them getting into dark stuff later in life because they know it's real, and that is the way they choose to handle it.

I'm just trying to show that there are so many factors involved in spiritual things. It's not as basic as being born again imo.

I agree with you that there are those instances where the devil tries to attack when he has no right to attack. The devil lives to destroy people. But it happens far, far more often that it's the people who live their lives in such a way that they hand the devil authority over their lives. In this forum alone, I've met many people who profess to believe in Jesus Christ. But so far, I've met only one person in the whole group who both professes to believe in Christ and who also follows the Word of God strictly. It doesn't surprise me, then, that many of these people are suffering the way Christ warned they would suffer. They profess to believe in Christ, and then they follow someone or something else.

That's true that some people live their lives in such a way to attract spiritual abuse. I'm sorry to see anyone suffering. Please understand that I know where christianity is coming from, I just don't think it gives a (much needed) good explanation of what spiritual issues really are about.

[nectars]

I've noticed how there's a high concentration of people in this forum who suffer from one "mental illness" or another. I want to ask people to at least consider the possibility that there's a connection between this and the various forms of spiritism that many people in the forum are involved in. Since many of these forms of spiritism (if not all of them) involve the person inviting these alien spirit beings to enter their lives, and even their very minds, then doesn't it stand to reason that these spirit beings are going to take people up on their invitations? And since these spirit beings are alien, in the sense that people can't positively identify the spirits they're opening themselves up to, then isn't it a possibility that these spirits are evil and only want to cause you harm?

I want to ask you all to please seriously consider the possible connection between any mental suffering you might be having to endure, and the spiritual practices you engage in.

Shouldn't this be in the general section?

Edit: Perhaps I should have said the Religious section.

It's true that doing so without the knowledge of ways of protection could highten the likelyhood, but what gives you the impression you have to consciously invite it? Do you think those who don't actively persue certain spiritual/mental practices have some kind of special protection? I can assure you they dont.

As an example of this, millions "invite" lower astrals(spirits or whatever you'd prefer to call it) into their life daily. Any time you damn someone to hell("Go to hell!") you've just opened that doorway wide. And that just one example. This is the only "sin"; being ignorant(or worse not being open) to the greater context of life and truth.

yes. you can actually drive them out of yourself with the help and guidance of a legitimate psychic healer.

You dont need anyone else to do it for you, you can do it yourself, their claim to "specialness" is a distortion of truth(Luciferic) and a surrendering of your own power and ability; that spark of the Devine within man.

I have a question 1964 which I hope you dont take offence at.

This picture....

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/image.php?u=34699&dateline=1256014531

Do you know what this verse means?

[clozaril]

you may find this interview interesting charles tramont and spirit attachments

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Appearing for the first two hours, former practitioner of conventional medicine, Dr. Charles Tramont discussed how he now treats patients by making use of hypnotherapy, spirit guides, and the releasing of attached entities. He described a number of case histories, including a woman suffering from writer's block. One of the earthbound spirits he found attached to her claimed to be that of Edgar Allan Poe, he detailed. He said he's also run across other well-known spirits attached to his patients including Edgar Cayce, Doc Holliday, and Nostradamus.

Interestingly, ET-type spirits can become attached to people, Tramont noted. The mechanism for this can involve a fleshy tubular device that goes through the spine to seal an energy transfer from their dimension, he posited. In one case, a man had four Reptilian attachments, with one body reportedly "in stasis" on a spaceship; in another instance a woman was used like a portal through which other alien beings entered, he shared.

[sofa king]

You dont need anyone else to do it for youl you can do it yourself, their claim to "specialness" is a distortion of truth and removal of your own ability.



and just how does someone do this all by themselves when they don't know how?

seeking out one who knows to guide you through it guarantees success. Someone who doesnt know what they are doing can't just say "get out foul demon" and have it work. They need to be shown by a teacher.

[shellygurrrl]

The big problem in my view is people start looking and relying on outside sources when all they need do is look within. If you look to aliens, psychics, and "guides", etc. to teach you and show you the way, you are opening yourself up to possible attacks and issues. But when you go within, you may find what you want, BUT you may NOT because it is not meant for you. The curiosity is natural, and I think there is NOTHING wrong with researching the supernatural, paranormal, psychic, etc. But your purpose in this life may not be to be a clairvoyant or palm reader, etc. You should accept that if you don't find it within. Seeking outside sources to make you what you are not is when problems arise!

I think the reason there are a lot here who might have suffered (or currently do) from depression and/or anxiety could be ANY number of reasons. Many here don't "fit in" or conform and that in itself can be a VERY lonely (but worthwhile) path. And as mentioned, when one is sensitive, that means PLENTY of internal "suffering."

And another thing, most people simply doin't know to protect themselves. Black tourmaline, sage, smudging, will protect you. And a lack of fear (which is hard to do, but a goal we should all strive for). :)

[kguk]

It could just be the opposite. Instead of "spiritism" leading to mental illness perhaps mental illness leads to spiritism.

[nectars]

and just how does someone do this all by themselves when they don't know how?

If they consider it enough of an issue they'll find out one way or another.

seeking out one who knows to guide you through it guarantees success. Someone who doesnt know what they are doing can't just say "get out foul demon" and have it work. They need to be shown by a teacher.

Seeking out someone else to do it for you does not guarentee success, though granted it does raise the chances of it. As with my above comment they can learn themselves which puts them at the advantage of not having to rely on someone else to do it.

For 10 years I suffered an attack by a Lower Astral entity. I believe it to have been demonic due to the images and impulses of death(and the push to carry out acts of murder) I had forced into my head around 20+ time per day over that period.

No one got rid of it for me, I done it on my own with the help of <insert deity> and through devotion to ending it.

Like the old sayings go: "Where theres a Will there's a way", "When the student is ready the teacher shall appear", -that teacher though is often in the form of information previously unknown.

The big problem in my view is people start looking and relying on outside sources when all they need do is look within. If you look to aliens, psychics, and "guides", etc. to teach you and show you the way, you are opening yourself up to possible attacks and issues. But when you go within, you may find what you want, BUT you may NOT because it is not meant for you. The curiosity is natural, and I think there is NOTHING wrong with researching the supernatural, paranormal, psychic, etc. But your purpose in this life may not be to be a clairvoyant or palm reader, etc. You should accept that if you don't find it within. Seeking outside sources to make you what you are not is when problems arise!

I think the reason there are a lot here who might have suffered (or currently do) from depression and/or anxiety could be ANY number of reasons. Many here don't "fit in" or conform and that in itself can be a VERY lonely (but worthwhile) path. And as mentioned, when one is sensitive, that means PLENTY of internal "suffering."

And another thing, most people simply doin't know to protect themselves. Black tourmaline, sage, smudging, will protect you. And a lack of fear (which is hard to do, but a goal we should all strive for). :)

Agreed. On the fear part at the end, its easier than most think -though it an be intitially very uncomfortable. Accept it; own it, this removes its power over us and allows us to descriminate and see it for what it is as it evaporates into nothing. The power of emotional states over us is an illusion. As Einstein said about time and reality though, "its a persistent one".

It's funny the gems of wisdom that can be found in the strangest of places at times.

The 300: Leonidas - "My Father always told me that fear is a constant, but accepting it will make you stronger".

"They" keep these little hints in peoples faces so they dont notice them.

[1964]

Hi 1964,
At the start I did think I had been attacked by a demonic being, but you know if you go about saying these things I was scared they would put me in a mental hospital I prayed daily to anyone who was listening, and you wont get me near any spirtal church again as these forces are not to be messed with thank you for starting this if I can help just one person from going through what I did then it will have been worth it and yes I now believe I was attacked by a demonic force.:eek:

Love and Peace,
Linda, :)

Hi mrs houdini,

That's something else I've been thinking about lately. I hear a lot of people saying that fear is a bad thing, and that it should be ignored cause it just "gets in our way". I think sometimes that's true, like if we're afraid to go on a job interview; or we're afraid of meeting new people; or if we have irrational fears like when people are afraid of spiders; etc. But I think there's also the good kind of fear that stops us from getting ourselves hurt, or in trouble. The kind of fear that stops us from jumping off tall buildings, or from putting our hands in a fire. There's a kind of fear that's good because it protects us, like a warning signal against danger. It sounds like you had to learn a really hard lesson. But it sounds like you've learned it. I think you're very wise to pay attention to the warning signals.

[1964]

Thank you that is incredibly beautiful.....and deeply unfashionable....my interpretation of demons as described in the gospels is that it is a term used then that people would understand but what we would now describe as "the shadow"/false selves....but what do I know...Jesus described them as demons and said that there was spiritual warfare and I happen to trust him. You have made me want to investigate this more, thank you.

It made me so happy just to hear you say that you want to investigate these things more. There's so much deception out there, you shouldn't trust in any person's word to guide you in the truth, but research all things for yourself. Some people will be offended by that. But if they truly cared about you, then they wouldn't be offended. They would want you to be safe. I believe if your hunger for the truth is sincere and earnest, then Christ will honor it. God has promised, "You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart." And when you find Him, then the Holy Spirit of God will guide you in all truth.

I'm not sure what I used to believe about demons, whether they were real or not. But now that I know what it is to be attacked by them, now that I've felt their presence and have seen a demon materialize in front of me, I don't doubt their existence anymore. At the same time, I've never had a deeper appreciation for what it means that Jesus Christ has won the victory over all things - over the devil and his demons; over sin and death. I know what it means now when the Scriptures say that when we are hidden in Christ, then Christ gives us that same victory over these things.

I wish you well in your search.

[1964]

biblegirl

Hi biblegirl,

This isn't about what I think of you. It's about the choice we all have to make as to who we're going to believe, and who we're going to follow. And if you and I care about each other, then we should each want for the other one to follow that path where we know the other will be safe.

Yes, I agree with you that there are people like Job who do nothing to invite the devil's attacks. But Job was a man who lived his life strictly according to the Word of God, honoring God. And I've yet to meet a person who's like Job. Instead, all the people I meet are involved in the sorts of things that God warns us to never, ever engage in, or else we'll find ourselves in extreme danger. So when we find ourselves in danger from having ignored God, then it's not right to compare ourselves to a man like Job.

You say you don't believe it's as simple as people being born again. But yet God has promised people that when they are born again, He gives them a spirit of courage and a sound mind. So you, then, are in disagreement with God. That forces me to have to make a choice: Who am I going to believe? Am I going to believe you? Or am I going to believe God? And since I already ended up in danger for doing the things you're doing right now - the very things that God warned us not to do - then I would be an even greater fool if I disbelieved God a second time.

Please try not to be offended by the things I tell you. No more than you would be offended by a street sign warning you that there are dangerous road conditions ahead. You have to make your own choices, and ultimately this is something that has to be settled between you and God. But that's all I am in the grand scheme of things, is just a sign on a post with a warning message for you to read.

[1964]

Shouldn't this be in the general section?

Edit: Perhaps I should have said the Religious section.

It's true that doing so without the knowledge of ways of protection could highten the likelyhood, but what gives you the impression you have to consciously invite it? Do you think those who don't actively persue certain spiritual/mental practices have some kind of special protection? I can assure you they dont.

As an example of this, millions "invite" lower astrals(spirits or whatever you'd prefer to call it) into their life daily. Any time you damn someone to hell("Go to hell!") you've just opened that doorway wide. And that just one example. This is the only "sin"; being ignorant(or worse not being open) to the greater context of life and truth.



You dont need anyone else to do it for you, you can do it yourself, their claim to "specialness" is a distortion of truth(Luciferic) and a surrendering of your own power and ability; that spark of the Devine within man.

I have a question 1964 which I hope you dont take offence at.

This picture....

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/image.php?u=34699&dateline=1256014531

Do you know what this verse means?

Hi nectars,

I wasn't sure what section to place the thread in. But I thought this seemed like as good a place as any, since this is where people discuss various forms of spiritism, and the thread isn't meant to be about religion alone.

Your question didn't offend me at all.

The United Nations, the Roman Catholic Vatican, various government leaders - they all teach people the same thing: That there are "many ways to God" and that all gods are the "same god". That's what the avatar represents - that message from the Antichrist, saying that no matter what path people take, all paths lead to God. This is how the Antichrist is bringing all people together under his authority.

The avatar represents the Antichrist's NWO: A one-world government and one-world religion. A one-world religion where people have been deceived into believing that "all gods are the same god" and that "all paths lead to god". Notice the symbols of the various world's religions, all gravitating around the symbol of the United Nations at the center. It equals a one-world religion, revolving around a one-world government - precisely as prophesied by Jesus Christ, more than 2,000 years ago. Also notice how the symbol for false Christianity is included in their symbol. Jesus Christ warned that false Christs and false Christians would also be included in the deception.

That particular piece of Scripture says the Antichrist's promise is a lie. All paths do not lead to God. Jesus Christ alone is the way and the truth and He is life. And only by Christ can any person come to God.

The avatar itself shows people where the Antichrist is leading them, by this lie that all paths lead to God. By this one lie, the Antichrist is leading people straight into the hands of the NWO.

I hope this answers your question. I wasn't positive exactly what it was you were asking me.

Edit: I'm the one who drew the line through the avatar, trying to warn people that they need to reject the Antichrist's one-world religion/one-world government that Christ warned us against.

[element]

You are another deluded Christian and a bible basher. Maybe you should respect other people that have different religions and views. You might as well believe the earth is 6000 years old and other ridiculous bible fairy tales. You represent a corrupt religion. Your words are not of truth, they are written down by man who wrote down what they heard. You are simply relying on the belief of someone else. Such a simplistic belief should not be dictated to others as ''truth'' while telling everyone else is wrong.
Please, grow up.

[justnotsure]

You are another deluded Christian and a bible basher. Maybe you should respect other people that have different religions and views. You might as well believe the earth is 6000 years old and other ridiculous bible fairy tales. You represent a corrupt religion. Your words are not of truth, they are written down by man who wrote down what they heard. You are simply relying on the belief of someone else. Such a simplistic belief should not be dictated to others as ''truth'' while telling everyone else is wrong.
Please, grow up.

I am not the original poster but would like to say that you have made many assumptions about the original poster here. I am a Christian but not because I have been brainwashed by anybody in fact quite the reverse, I became aware that the life I was living and the thoughts I was thinking were making me unhappy. As I have unravelled my suffering I have come to see that all along what I have found to be truth is in the Bible. I will say that again, what I have found to be truth for myself I have found in the Bible all along and so I have come to trust it. I know you may go onto the difficult passages and dismiss this and that etc but by doing that are you missing the truth.

Also I don't think you will find many mature Christians who will deny that the "church" has been and is corrupt at times but that does not mean that Christ was corrupt or that there is no God or that the God of the Old Testament is really the devil. Who are we to judge what is corrupt anyway?

Anyway I think this thread is very interesting. I have suffered from depression, anxiety and panic attacks. I started to recover when I made the decision that I had suffered enough and asked God to help me through his son, Jesus Christ. I feel as though I am being guided back to sanity.

By the way I am ok with being called a deluded christian and a bible basher.

[element]

I am not the original poster but would like to say that you have made many assumptions about the original poster here. I am a Christian but not because I have been brainwashed by anybody in fact quite the reverse, I became aware that the life I was living and the thoughts I was thinking were making me unhappy. As I have unravelled my suffering I have come to see that all along what I have found to be truth is in the Bible. I will say that again, what I have found to be truth for myself I have found in the Bible all along and so I have come to trust it. I know you may go onto the difficult passages and dismiss this and that etc but by doing that are you missing the truth.

Also I don't think you will find many mature Christians who will deny that the "church" has been and is corrupt at times but that does not mean that Christ was corrupt or that there is no God or that the God of the Old Testament is really the devil. Who are we to judge what is corrupt anyway?

Anyway I think this thread is very interesting. I have suffered from depression, anxiety and panic attacks. I started to recover when I made the decision that I had suffered enough and asked God to help me through his son, Jesus Christ. I feel as though I am being guided back to sanity.

By the way I am ok with being called a deluded christian and a bible basher.

I don't like the religious attitudes of ''my god has a bigger dick then yours''. The church does not matter. I have problems with their attitudes (the believers), and they are little different then tv preachers and zealots. They all base their beliefs on the same book, written down around 2000 years ago by authors that can't be trusted.

If it helps you personally, great. But I don't tolerate it when people bash others as satanic and demoniac only because they have different beliefs. We are not talking here about evidence and universal truth, but beliefs.

As for the thread, I don't disagree. People dabble blindly in things they don't understand. Most spirits that people get in contact with are earth bound spirits. I think the OP is making a generalisation in his/hers first post about the people here.

[kasalt]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[biblegirl]

Hi 1964,
Thanks for posting the link. I am now going to ask my G.P. what he thinks of it. I can only speak for my self and since starting my medication I can now enjoy my life again and I am almost back to my old self, I can work socialise ,but before I had very bad thoughts about harming myself and ending it all, my poor partner and the one daughter that still lives with us thought they where going to lose me to this other person who was living with them ( me ) as my personality changed dramaticly and I did not care about any thing not even getting dressed or washing, I sat in my chair from I got up untill I went to bed never spoke and just shook the whole time dont know what the meds do but I am enjoying life once again. Please be kind with your comments as you all can imagine it has taken a lot for me to open up about this :o


Thank you again for sharing. That sounds like you got a parasite which has the ability to put thoughts into your head in your own voice so that you think they are your thoughts. There are ways to rid them permanently. If dependency on the medication decides whether or not you still have trouble from it, then you know the spirit is not gone. The medication is likely dulling your senses enough so you don't notice so much. Here is a video which is more or less a drug ad (which I do not necessarily endorse) for schizophrenia, but it is obvious to me that what this girl was experiencing was real spiritual beings that harass people and tell them to do bad things to themselves.

Schizophrenia - YouTube

I will not be too harsh on the medicated aspect of it because I know it has saved lives of people who are attacked by these beings. It is not a permanent solution, but I still respect and appreciate that people have relief from spiritual problems when they don't know what else they can do. I hope you experience healing and never have problems with this again :).

[biblegirl]

I hear a lot of people saying that fear is a bad thing, and that it should be ignored cause it just "gets in our way". I think sometimes that's true, like if we're afraid to go on a job interview; or we're afraid of meeting new people; or if we have irrational fears like when people are afraid of spiders; etc. But I think there's also the good kind of fear that stops us from getting ourselves hurt, or in trouble. The kind of fear that stops us from jumping off tall buildings, or from putting our hands in a fire. There's a kind of fear that's good because it protects us, like a warning signal against danger.

Fear is definitely a doorway one can open into demonic attack. You may be familiar with the disney movie "Monsters Inc." which happens to be a somewhat accurate portrayal into the spirit world. In the film, the monsters (demons, low vibrational entities) literally power their dimension off the fear of children from the physical world. That is what is happening to us in the physical world right now which is why you will see the reference to us as "batteries". I haven't seen anyone on this forum concerned about fear because it gets in the way, but because it is the lowest vibrational emotion that not only attracts demonic forces, but prevents spiritual growth. On the other side of the spectrum you have love, which is the highest vibration and most beneficial emotion we can have in regards to spiritual growth. I think it's healthy to have awareness. But fear is going to open you up to spiritual attack because it is the fuel for the bad spirits. Panic attacks, worry, guilt: all these things are stimulated in us from demonic parasites who evoke those emotions out of us so they can sit back and have a feast. IMO getting away from those emotions is an important step toward spiritual progress and communication with God.

[biblegirl]

And if you and I care about each other, then we should each want for the other one to follow that path where we know the other will be safe.

Yes I want to help you and anyone else I can. I assure you I'm not on a misinformation campaign. I believe that the Bible and teachings of Christ should be interpreted without corrupt church influence and false doctrines. I am here to expose those things and point people to the actual sacred text so it can be read and accepted in its truth.

Yes, I agree with you that there are people like Job who do nothing to invite the devil's attacks.

That's the point I was making.

You say you don't believe it's as simple as people being born again. But yet God has promised people that when they are born again, He gives them a spirit of courage and a sound mind. So you, then, are in disagreement with God.

I am not following the logic of this statement :confused:. I was just about to post that verse in reference to your other reply, to prove that fear is not of God. Paul writes to Timothy: "For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind." 1 Tim 1:7. This says nothing about born again people being immune from spiritual assault. Paul himself shows the opposite imo, in 2 Cor 12 where he explains how he is tormented by a messenger of Satan which he prayed many times that he might be relieved of. God basically told Paul to stop worrying about it and instead be happy that he is in grace. Are you aware of these incidents?

That forces me to have to make a choice: Who am I going to believe? Am I going to believe you? Or am I going to believe God? And since I already ended up in danger for doing the things you're doing right now - the very things that God warned us not to do - then I would be an even greater fool if I disbelieved God a second time.

I can only speculate why you have these conclusions about me :confused:. What are the things I am doing right now??

Please try not to be offended by the things I tell you. No more than you would be offended by a street sign warning you that there are dangerous road conditions ahead. You have to make your own choices, and ultimately this is something that has to be settled between you and God. But that's all I am in the grand scheme of things, is just a sign on a post with a warning message for you to read.

I'm not really sure how else to reiterate the information I'm sharing here. I'm happy to help if you have questions on spiritual activity and the demonic agenda. I hope to clear up misunderstandings of spiritual things which have been produced by false teachings.

[nectars]

Hi nectars,

I wasn't sure what section to place the thread in. But I thought this seemed like as good a place as any, since this is where people discuss various forms of spiritism, and the thread isn't meant to be about religion alone.

Your question didn't offend me at all.

The United Nations, the Roman Catholic Vatican, various government leaders - they all teach people the same thing: That there are "many ways to God" and that all gods are the "same god". That's what the avatar represents - that message from the Antichrist, saying that no matter what path people take, all paths lead to God. This is how the Antichrist is bringing all people together under his authority.

The avatar represents the Antichrist's NWO: A one-world government and one-world religion. A one-world religion where people have been deceived into believing that "all gods are the same god" and that "all paths lead to god". Notice the symbols of the various world's religions, all gravitating around the symbol of the United Nations at the center. It equals a one-world religion, revolving around a one-world government - precisely as prophesied by Jesus Christ, more than 2,000 years ago. Also notice how the symbol for false Christianity is included in their symbol. Jesus Christ warned that false Christs and false Christians would also be included in the deception.

That particular piece of Scripture says the Antichrist's promise is a lie. All paths do not lead to God. Jesus Christ alone is the way and the truth and He is life. And only by Christ can any person come to God.

The avatar itself shows people where the Antichrist is leading them, by this lie that all paths lead to God. By this one lie, the Antichrist is leading people straight into the hands of the NWO.

I hope this answers your question. I wasn't positive exactly what it was you were asking me.

Edit: I'm the one who drew the line through the avatar, trying to warn people that they need to reject the Antichrist's one-world religion/one-world government that Christ warned us against.

Hi again 1964,

I'd agree that the subject is touch and go regarding forums section etc, so your probably right about the subject relation.

Regarding the "Avatar", I'm glad the question didn't offend, and I'm also glad to see you understand the symbology(I was already aware of its meaning), or at least have had the good sense to give it your own context -if we neither understand it or give it new contex we become subject to its influence. Anyway I digress.

It was more the scripture I was refering to. The reason being that as yet I've not talked to anyone who can explain its actual meaning to me other than the literal meaning given by Christians or in reference to the "Follow me" part proclaimed by New Agers. I had already guessed what the answer you gave would be and was correct in that assumption; for now stating this assumption I appologise, as it's something I prefer to avoid doing.

I wont go much further with this as I respect that everyone has their own path to walk and must learn by their own doing etc.

What I will say though is that in studying the Gnostic texts of Christ and meditating/contemplating on that particular verse I did become privy to its actual meaning, which is not the "literal" that its taken for. I wont say for now, but if you want, I dont mind posting it here.

Now. I'm not proclaiming to some kind of "specialness" in this knowing, but as yet I've not seen it, heard it or read it anywhere else. I even asked another forum member is the "Religious" section about it and he asked me not to reveal it, which I didn't.

Anyway you can let me know.

Thanks.

[marpat]

I am so hoping, like you said, that if people join the thread to talk about this, everyone will remain kind and sensitive. I think it has to be approached honestly, but mental suffering is also one of the worst kinds of suffering there is.

Ok, so it sounds to me like what you experienced was a spiritual attack. And a severe one at that. And then as a "cure", the doctor put you on these medications and you say the medications worked. But, prior to the attack, you did have some involvement in spiritism. So it's still possible, then, that what I was saying in the OP is the cause of what happened: Perhaps it's when you opened this door to invite these alien spirits in, that's when they came in waiting for the time when they wanted to attack you. Maybe the setting they chose (the creepy hotel) just made it more 'fun' for them.

Here's the thing. I'm convinced, after everything I've seen and been through, that these "mental illnesses" are all spiritual in nature. And that only Christ has the power to protect a person against these evil spirits that attack people.

Now if what Christ has said is false, then your medications worked and you never need to worry about it again. But if Christ has told us the truth (which I believe He has), then this won't be the end of it. This is what I want people to know. When the medications don't work anymore, there's still reason to hope - His name is Jesus Christ.

What are you own feelings about it all? When all this happened to you, did you feel you were being attacked in some manner you couldn't describe? As in spiritually/mentally attacked? Or do you believe there's a medical explanation for it all?

Yet even when exorcisms have been carried out by the church in the name of christ the victim is often possessed to a greater degree. Why is it that the bible tells us the name of christ is powerful yet many exorcisms fail? I think the church is reluctant to do such things now purely because it makes them look like they are powerless to remove such spirits in the name of christ.

[chris_com283]

I've noticed how there's a high concentration of people in this forum who suffer from one "mental illness" or another. I want to ask people to at least consider the possibility that there's a connection between this and the various forms of spiritism that many people in the forum are involved in. Since many of these forms of spiritism (if not all of them) involve the person inviting these alien spirit beings to enter their lives, and even their very minds, then doesn't it stand to reason that these spirit beings are going to take people up on their invitations? And since these spirit beings are alien, in the sense that people can't positively identify the spirits they're opening themselves up to, then isn't it a possibility that these spirits are evil and only want to cause you harm?

I want to ask you all to please seriously consider the possible connection between any mental suffering you might be having to endure, and the spiritual practices you engage in.

Hence the reason why I'm not going to let Jesus into my heart anytime soon.:D

[1964]

Yet even when exorcisms have been carried out by the church in the name of christ the victim is often possessed to a greater degree. Why is it that the bible tells us the name of christ is powerful yet many exorcisms fail? I think the church is reluctant to do such things now purely because it makes them look like they are powerless to remove such spirits in the name of christ.

Hi marpat,

I used to belong to the Roman Catholic church, and then later on I looked into Protestantism. I discovered that they only teach their own versions of what's written in Scripture, and not what's written in Scripture. A perversion of the truth, and not the truth. Christ warned that many would come in His name with the sole purpose of deceiving many. The many have arrived, and the many are being deceived. What I mean to say is that there's no example of an exorcism in Scripture as a means of driving out demons. It's a false teaching, carried out in the name of a false Christ. I was saying this to someone else in the thread - the devil isn't afraid of words, he's afraid of Jesus Christ. And if in naming the name of Christ, we unknowingly refer to an imposter, the devil knows it's an imposter. In fact, the imposters belong to the devil. The devil isn't going to be afraid of himself.

I spend a great deal of time thinking about this. Of the two, I don't know who's in greater danger - the person who rejects Christ altogether, or the person who worships a false Christ.

Except the devil is even craftier than just this. I know people who've been demonically attacked, where the Roman Catholic church appeared to be able to drive the demons away. And people who've seen statues of the "virgin mary" come to life, and speak to them. And what affect did it have? It drove the people even deeper into the Roman Catholic church, and even farther away from the true Christ. The devil has been observing mankind since almost the beginning of time. He knows very well how to manipulate them.

[1964]

biblegirl

Hi biblegirl,

I'm afraid our differences are irreconcilable. Meaning that no amount of debate could change my mind. I see you blending together Scriptural teachings, along with various other teachings that are not Scriptural. And since that is the place I've already come from, that led me to the edge of the pit of hell, there's no way I'm going back there. After what I've been through and everything I've seen, there's no one who stands a chance of convincing me that Biblical teachings should ever be married together with unBiblical teachings. God counts this as an abomination that He will judge severely, and I finally understand why. I don't judge the people who do it. I have no right to when I did the same thing. But it's not something that's open for debate in my mind, not anymore. I only aim to warn others not to do what I did, like that street sign at the side of the road. The choice you make when you pass by me on the road is yours to make, and yours alone.

[mrs houdini]

Hello Biblegirl,
Thank you for taking the time to read my post and for your last post to me.
To-day I am well and I watched the link you provided. Thank you again.

Love and Peace,
Linda, :)

[1964]

I am not the original poster but would like to say that you have made many assumptions about the original poster here. I am a Christian but not because I have been brainwashed by anybody in fact quite the reverse, I became aware that the life I was living and the thoughts I was thinking were making me unhappy. As I have unravelled my suffering I have come to see that all along what I have found to be truth is in the Bible. I will say that again, what I have found to be truth for myself I have found in the Bible all along and so I have come to trust it. I know you may go onto the difficult passages and dismiss this and that etc but by doing that are you missing the truth.

Also I don't think you will find many mature Christians who will deny that the "church" has been and is corrupt at times but that does not mean that Christ was corrupt or that there is no God or that the God of the Old Testament is really the devil. Who are we to judge what is corrupt anyway?

Anyway I think this thread is very interesting. I have suffered from depression, anxiety and panic attacks. I started to recover when I made the decision that I had suffered enough and asked God to help me through his son, Jesus Christ. I feel as though I am being guided back to sanity.

By the way I am ok with being called a deluded christian and a bible basher.

It's amazing for me to hear someone else say those words. That's precisely what Christ Jesus did for me - He restored my sanity. I've said that same thing to myself so many times. He restored my sanity, and He preserves it, against evil forces and an evil world that I had no power of my own to conquer.

Ephesians 6:17 - The Helmet of Salvation

If you haven't yet, study Ephesians 6:10-18 - The Armor of God.

I used to think Scripture spoke of this Armor as something figurative. I didn't believe how literal it is. Now I do. Now I finally understand.

[marpat]

Hi marpat,

I used to belong to the Roman Catholic church, and then later on I looked into Protestantism. I discovered that they only teach their own versions of what's written in Scripture, and not what's written in Scripture. A perversion of the truth, and not the truth. Christ warned that many would come in His name with the sole purpose of deceiving many. The many have arrived, and the many are being deceived. What I mean to say is that there's no example of an exorcism in Scripture as a means of driving out demons. It's a false teaching, carried out in the name of a false Christ. I was saying this to someone else in the thread - the devil isn't afraid of words, he's afraid of Jesus Christ. And if in naming the name of Christ, we unknowingly refer to an imposter, the devil knows it's an imposter. In fact, the imposters belong to the devil. The devil isn't going to be afraid of himself.

I spend a great deal of time thinking about this. Of the two, I don't know who's in greater danger - the person who rejects Christ altogether, or the person who worships a false Christ.

Except the devil is even craftier than just this. I know people who've been demonically attacked, where the Roman Catholic church appeared to be able to drive the demons away. And people who've seen statues of the "virgin mary" come to life, and speak to them. And what affect did it have? It drove the people even deeper into the Roman Catholic church, and even farther away from the true Christ. The devil has been observing mankind since almost the beginning of time. He knows very well how to manipulate them.

But in the bible the disciples rebuke people expelling demons in christs name but jesus does not have a problem with that. His attitude seems to be that if they do it in his name then they are with him. Surely a church that invokes his name would be similar.

[marpat]

Hi biblegirl,

I'm afraid our differences are irreconcilable. Meaning that no amount of debate could change my mind. I see you blending together Scriptural teachings, along with various other teachings that are not Scriptural. And since that is the place I've already come from, that led me to the edge of the pit of hell, there's no way I'm going back there. After what I've been through and everything I've seen, there's no one who stands a chance of convincing me that Biblical teachings should ever be married together with unBiblical teachings. God counts this as an abomination that He will judge severely, and I finally understand why. I don't judge the people who do it. I have no right to when I did the same thing. But it's not something that's open for debate in my mind, not anymore. I only aim to warn others not to do what I did, like that street sign at the side of the road. The choice you make when you pass by me on the road is yours to make, and yours alone.

So what teachings do you consider scriptual and non-scriptural?

[biblegirl]

Yet even when exorcisms have been carried out by the church in the name of christ the victim is often possessed to a greater degree. Why is it that the bible tells us the name of christ is powerful yet many exorcisms fail? I think the church is reluctant to do such things now purely because it makes them look like they are powerless to remove such spirits in the name of christ.

But in the bible the disciples rebuke people expelling demons in christs name but jesus does not have a problem with that. His attitude seems to be that if they do it in his name then they are with him. Surely a church that invokes his name would be similar.

Both of these are significant points that can't be ignored by this topic imo.

The unsuccessful exorcisms that I mentioned earlier happened to a born again person who was possessed, and the attempted exorcism was by a born again pastor...i will not accept the "true conversion" theory for this one because it doesn't apply. Imo it's a way for Christianity to say "I don't know why it didn't work but the answer might not fit in with my beliefs so I don't want to know". I've heard the true conversion/not walking with God arguments applied to every circumstance that Christians don't understand. There is much more to the spiritual world than Christianity seems willing to investigate. I said this before, I can't emphasize it enough: the church allows for a few concepts like invisible demons and angels, but they won't go much deeper as to what those things actually are and how we are affected. We are just left to guess that those things are really there, and when we see a creepy thing happen we shout "demon!" and when we see a miracle happen we say "angel!". It doesn't have to be this blind!

[biblegirl]

Just over 4 minutes long

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b30iwhEw9ho

that's a good video :)

Psychiatrists unfortunately will never take into account the spiritual aspect of reality, and so will never come to any real solutions (to spiritual problems). At least they were honest about it haha.

[dedicate]

Marpat: "So what teachings do you consider scriptual and non-scriptural?"///

Exactly. The person you are directing the question will assumes what is scirptural and what is non-scriptural is self-evident and needs no referance. Most likely he will also say he does not have an interpretation of scripture, but scripture actually reads the way he sees it. This is one of the marks of the fundamentalist.-- even though they often have disagreements as to what is scriptural and what it is the Bible reads amongst themselves.

[nectars]

that's a good video :)

Psychiatrists unfortunately will never take into account the spiritual aspect of reality, and so will never come to any real solutions (to spiritual problems). At least they were honest about it haha.

Three of the best are Carl Jung, Edwin C.Steinbecher(google Inner guide meditation) and David R.Hawkins who had the largest practice in the US at one point before he let go of it. All worthy of serious study and practice.

PS: Just noticed the PM, I'll reply to it later as I have to take my kids to the cinema shortly :)

[edelweiss pirate]

Thank you again for sharing. That sounds like you got a parasite which has the ability to put thoughts into your head in your own voice so that you think they are your thoughts. There are ways to rid them permanently. If dependency on the medication decides whether or not you still have trouble from it, then you know the spirit is not gone. The medication is likely dulling your senses enough so you don't notice so much. Here is a video which is more or less a drug ad (which I do not necessarily endorse) for schizophrenia, but it is obvious to me that what this girl was experiencing was real spiritual beings that harass people and tell them to do bad things to themselves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_jYqSA_fJk

I will not be too harsh on the medicated aspect of it because I know it has saved lives of people who are attacked by these beings. It is not a permanent solution, but I still respect and appreciate that people have relief from spiritual problems when they don't know what else they can do. I hope you experience healing and never have problems with this again :).

Really good post. Really good.... I know it's a bit rough to pick on the mentally ill but I for one am 96 percent certain that schizophrenia is the way the hidden rulers control their politicians and agenda enhancing maniacs.

People from knife murderers to highest level politicians are all working for the same agenda and get their orders from the same discarnate voices which are only heard by those who have had their ego broken down and their psychic defencess shattered: the schizophrenics.

[mythic]

I'd like to thank everyone....including Linda for their frankness in this matter. Demonic possesion is not funny....I'm not even sure it's real...but I've been experiencing very strange things the past year....I even forget what I did the past week. And the dreams....lord...those crazy ass dreams. I MAY be mental illness...I honestly can't answer that with any authority....but it's definately debilitating. Thanks for sharing Linda.

[jshappy]

People don't understand what demons are. They are given power through imagination. They do exist, but they only work through the mind, through the imagination. That is why you more mentally ill people who are into the occult, and conspiracy theories are also part of the occult. They have opened the doors of thier minds to these beings, and didn't/couldn't close them, and now their imagination has gone out of control. Medications only numb the body but they do not close the door of imagination. Once you have opened that window into the world of spirits and demons, you open up the key of your mind to another world, and without proper grounding and guidance you will not be able to control your imagination and the demons will work to gain complete control over you.

[edelweiss pirate]

People don't understand what demons are. They are given power through imagination. They do exist, but they only work through the mind, through the imagination. That is why you more mentally ill people who are into the occult, and conspiracy theories are also part of the occult. They have opened the doors of thier minds to these beings, and didn't/couldn't close them, and now their imagination has gone out of control. Medications only numb the body but they do not close the door of imagination. Once you have opened that window into the world of spirits and demons, you open up the key of your mind to another world, and without proper grounding and guidance you will not be able to control your imagination and the demons will work to gain complete control over you.

Agreed, that's why anyone who is involved in truth seeking or learning to tap their mind's true power should also MASTER zen meditation.

Otherwise you're opening a box that you won't be able to close.

[marpat]

A lot of the supposed demons that people moan about are the negative aspects of their own shadows, which we all have, although many people refuse to consider that they may have something dark lurking in the depths of their own being and attribute its surfacing to other, external beings. This is why so many people fail to 'banish' such beings, because they are part of their own mind. People need to look at themselves first if they encounter something negative. The rising of subtle forces can have a disturbing effect on the mind even though there may be nothing evil about it, yet people assume that such disturbance are evil spirits trying to take control of them or lead them astray when in fact such things are opportunities for people to deal with aspects of themselves that are usually buried deep in their minds.

[marpat]

Hi marpat,

I used to belong to the Roman Catholic church, and then later on I looked into Protestantism. I discovered that they only teach their own versions of what's written in Scripture, and not what's written in Scripture. A perversion of the truth, and not the truth. Christ warned that many would come in His name with the sole purpose of deceiving many. The many have arrived, and the many are being deceived. What I mean to say is that there's no example of an exorcism in Scripture as a means of driving out demons. It's a false teaching, carried out in the name of a false Christ. I was saying this to someone else in the thread - the devil isn't afraid of words, he's afraid of Jesus Christ. And if in naming the name of Christ, we unknowingly refer to an imposter, the devil knows it's an imposter. In fact, the imposters belong to the devil. The devil isn't going to be afraid of himself.

I spend a great deal of time thinking about this. Of the two, I don't know who's in greater danger - the person who rejects Christ altogether, or the person who worships a false Christ.

Except the devil is even craftier than just this. I know people who've been demonically attacked, where the Roman Catholic church appeared to be able to drive the demons away. And people who've seen statues of the "virgin mary" come to life, and speak to them. And what affect did it have? It drove the people even deeper into the Roman Catholic church, and even farther away from the true Christ. The devil has been observing mankind since almost the beginning of time. He knows very well how to manipulate them.

Actually they are not scared of jesus but the power that he represented, the same power that exists in all souls, the spirit.

Why is exorcism a false teaching just because it is not written in the bible? do you think that the bible refelects the entirity of the life of jesus, or everything that he could have possibly taught within his lifteime? the truth is that the new testament actually gives very little except lessons in faith and love.

[ragnarok]

I've noticed how there's a high concentration of people in this forum who suffer from one "mental illness" or another.
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"It was them fucking bells that did for me!"

[edelweiss pirate]

Zen meditation isn't so hard.... there's 'nothing' to it....

Boom-boom!