Sinn Fein Leader's Daddy and Bro are Paedos!

[velma]

Why doesn't this surprise me?


Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams has revealed that his late father subjected family members to emotional, physical and sexual abuse over many years.

In a statement, Mr Adams said the family made the discovery about Gerry Snr in the 1990s and were still coming to terms with what had happened.

"This discovery and the abuse which preceded it have had a devastating impact on our entire family," he said.

"We live with the consequences every single day."

In the statement, Mr Adams said the family members who had been abused were still recovering from the trauma.

"Our family have debated for some time whether we should publicise our father's abusive behaviour," he added.

"We do so now in the hope that, in time, this will assist the victims and survivors to come to terms with what happened and help them to move on from these dreadful events.

"All citizens need to be educated and children need to be listened to, empowered and protected."

'Denial'

Speaking in an interview with Irish state broadcaster RTE on Sunday, Mr Adams said he was 50 when he found out about his father's abuse. He said he did not himself recall being a victim.

He said: "I have pondered on this and brought myself back to the family home where the abuse took place.

"Tried to come back into childhood, back to bedrooms, back to other places where I know the abuse took place and I cannot find any recollection of being personally abused.

"At the same time I am very mindful that sometimes flashbacks are caused by a smell, by a curtain, by a song, by some very mundane everyday event but as I sit here, I do not have any recollection of abuse."



Sinn Fein's Gerry Adams pictured with his father Gerry Adams Snr
The Sinn Fein president said his father, who died six years ago, was in denial for many years about his actions and he "had died a lonely old man".

He said the police were not involved because his father's victims did not want to contact them.

Mr Adams also said all of the abuse was "historic" and no children were at risk when the abuse was eventually revealed.

Appeal

On Friday, Mr Adams appealed for his brother, Liam, to hand himself over to the police to answer allegations of sexual abuse.

It is understood that an arrest warrant was issued for Liam Adams a year ago.

It was issued for failing to appear at a preliminary court hearing to answer questions about alleged sexual offences against his daughter, Aine Tyrell.

Ms Tyrell, who has waived her right to anonymity, spoke publicly of her allegations against her father on UTV's Insight programme on Friday night.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8423357.stm

[rashhead]

I'm so sorry to hear that someone's father has terrorised their family...

Fook Gerry Adams, he is a criminal that needs to pay for his actions

Politician my ar5e and NO I do not give a 5hit about religion

[kelly_2010]

Gerry Adams public discussion of the abuse of his family sounds like a classic case of him building a sympathy defence for his brother when they finally catch up with him. The 'the pedo was abused so he 'had' to go on to abuse' defence. His brother will no doubt put the full sympathy bit on the court.

Anyone remember the pedo in the news recently where the guy was putting forward the same sympathy defence?

[convulsions for breakfast]

I'm so sorry to hear that someone's father has terrorised their family...

Fook Gerry Adams, he is a criminal that needs to pay for his actions

Politician my ar5e and NO I do not give a 5hit about religion

Oh yes mr adams is a criminal.....a terrorist....yes yes of course...you brain washed fool...you'r spurting out shit like marget thatcher....yes the republician movement were noting more than mere criminal's while the british army were saint's saving northern ireland:cool:.....Cut the bullshit. I am not pro IRA but there actions were political not criminal.

Hungar strikers died to be regonized as political prisoner's, these men were ordinarly lads who got themselves caught up in a extra-ordinary sitution, there community was under attack from the state and they fought back the only way they knew how.....I hope when the state turn's on you you can show a quater of as much courage as these men showed....

What action would you take when the state come's of you???

What action would you take watching your family and friends being treated as animal's???

I suppose you would get the guitar and sing some songs of peace and love and make it all go away...

The world is a awful fecking place, hate breed out of injustice in northern ireland...all side actions at one time or another were digusting...ALL SIDES...I does my head in when people take in the propaganda

[rashhead]

How very dare you my friend...

Yes the UK started the troubles (and funded them also) but people like Adams (nationalist and republican) turned it too suit themselves (whether for money, ego, madness or whatever)

As you know, Adams sold out the IRA (to Blair) to further his own ego (with his Derry 'council leader' McGuiness)

WTF are they doing now for the 'just cause'???

Don't give me shit about 'young lads', it was the older 'lads' (i.e. Adams / McGuiness) that was putting them in goal to harden them up for their own selfish causes (but yes it was a despicable move)

I know quite a few people who have been sent to shoot coppers with guns that don't work

I'm from the same up-bringing of these people and will fight any bastard who wants it

I do not hate anyone, so don't just jump in future :mad:

[amaralsright]

Gerry Adams public discussion of the abuse of his family sounds like a classic case of him building a sympathy defence for his brother when they finally catch up with him. The 'the pedo was abused so he 'had' to go on to abuse' defence. His brother will no doubt put the full sympathy bit on the court.

I agree.

[kitler]

Oh yes mr adams is a criminal.....a terrorist....yes yes of course...you brain washed fool...you'r spurting out shit like marget thatcher....yes the republician movement were noting more than mere criminal's while the british army were saint's saving northern ireland:cool:.....Cut the bullshit. I am not pro IRA but there actions were political not criminal.

Hungar strikers died to be regonized as political prisoner's, these men were ordinarly lads who got themselves caught up in a extra-ordinary sitution, there community was under attack from the state and they fought back the only way they knew how.....I hope when the state turn's on you you can show a quater of as much courage as these men showed....

What action would you take when the state come's of you???

What action would you take watching your family and friends being treated as animal's???

I suppose you would get the guitar and sing some songs of peace and love and make it all go away...

The world is a awful fecking place, hate breed out of injustice in northern ireland...all side actions at one time or another were digusting...ALL SIDES...I does my head in when people take in the propaganda

The troubles started when Britain forgot she was an emperor and started running round impersonating a policeman.

Ireland should either belong to us or it should belong to the Irish. Fuck peacekeeping and fuck Pedo Adams.

[bones]

i know a guy called mike and he worked in northern ireland many yrs ago he was military!

i asked about jerry adams and he said he alone had arrested him many times and was always told to release him.

he said he was a right cunt and it was well known that he was part of the troubles in ireland. but tptb kept letting him go...

wonder why!!!!

[xxxx]

The troubles started when Britain forgot she was an emperor and started running round impersonating a policeman.

Ireland should either belong to us or it should belong to the Irish. Fuck peacekeeping and fuck Pedo Adams.

the trouble started when the european superpowers decided to use ireland as a piece in a chessgame hundreds of years ago. pretty much the same as afganistan and iraq are being used today. and that sentance, "Ireland should either belong to us or it should belong to the Irish." you do realise how fucked up that sounds yeah?

i know a guy called mike and he worked in northern ireland many yrs ago he was military!

i asked about jerry adams and he said he alone had arrested him many times and was always told to release him.

he said he was a right cunt and it was well known that he was part of the troubles in ireland. but tptb kept letting him go...

wonder why!!!!

maybe cos of the shitstorm that'd erupt if he wasn't let go. i'm not saying you're full of shit but lots of people on this forum seem to have had mates who years ago were close to someone important.


its all fucked up.

[kitler]

the trouble started when the european superpowers decided to use ireland as a piece in a chessgame hundreds of years ago. pretty much the same as afganistan and iraq are being used today. and that sentance, "Ireland should either belong to us or it should belong to the Irish." you do realise how fucked up that sounds yeah?
.

I meant what I said. You either conquor a country or you leave it alone to manage it's own affairs. Nothing good ever comes from thinking you know best and throwing billions or pounds away trying to change other countries.
In the past Britain grew wealthy by invading other lands, supressing them and plundering thier rescources. Now Britain is on the brink of a financial abyss because ever since Churchill cost us the Empire we have spent all our own rescources invading other countries to try and make them 'better' with nothing good to show for it.

[entrangermercenary]

i meant what i said. You either conquor a country or you leave it alone to manage it's own affairs. Nothing good ever comes from thinking you know best and throwing billions or pounds away trying to change other countries.
In the past britain grew wealthy by invading other lands, supressing them and plundering thier rescources. Now britain is on the brink of a financial abyss because ever since churchill cost us the empire we have spent all our own rescources invading other countries to try and make them 'better' with nothing good to show for it.



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[texdallas]

Oh yes mr adams is a criminal.....a terrorist....yes yes of course...you brain washed fool...you'r spurting out shit like marget thatcher....yes the republician movement were noting more than mere criminal's while the british army were saint's saving northern ireland:cool:.....Cut the bullshit. I am not pro IRA but there actions were political not criminal.

Hungar strikers died to be regonized as political prisoner's, these men were ordinarly lads who got themselves caught up in a extra-ordinary sitution, there community was under attack from the state and they fought back the only way they knew how.....I hope when the state turn's on you you can show a quater of as much courage as these men showed....

What action would you take when the state come's of you???

What action would you take watching your family and friends being treated as animal's???

I suppose you would get the guitar and sing some songs of peace and love and make it all go away...

The world is a awful fecking place, hate breed out of injustice in northern ireland...all side actions at one time or another were digusting...ALL SIDES...I does my head in when people take in the propaganda

A very good observation there mate well done

[velma]

"The first thing the Jewish pawn Oliver Cromwell did after capturing command of the newly formed English Republic in 1649 was to give his army, which had finally toppled a succession of befuddled kings, something to do. What Cromwell did then was to go to Ireland and butcher everyone in sight, thus starting a neverending war of Protestants and Catholics, conceived and executed by this maniacal puppet of the Jewish bankers in Holland.

As the Jews had slyly taken over England through bribery, they utterly mutilated Ireland in perpetuity, starting three centuries of “the troubles” between Protestant and “Papist” Irish that may well have been the first Jewish false flag terror attack.

Sure, the Irish have a legitimate reason to hate the stupid and cruel British, but it should be known that the Brits — like the French, Russians, Germans and Americans who were to follow the same poisoned path centuries later — were guided into this murderous colonial stupor by Jewish bankers who twisted the puppet strings of the gullible goyim into perpetual wars for profit."

John Kaminski

[azaziel01]

Violence solves nothing!

Having put that statement behind me, I can now focus on the Pedophile situation (rather than Gerry Adams political life)

I feel sorry for any man whose brother turns out like this, your brother is supposed to be closer than any of your friends. I can't imagine the family's pain and sense of betrayal.

And coming up to Christmas...

All I can say is that I hope Liam is found and prosecuted to the full extent of the law, and then I hope he and his family are helped.

Chris

[convulsions for breakfast]

How very dare you my friend...Ok Fair enough I apology for jumping in, I thought you were linking the republican movement to criminals, This movement at one point was a people movement and I hear 2 often the usual criminal bullshit.....In later years they done a lot of things that left a lot to be desired and done themselves no credit as a creditable army...The war was never meant to be sectarian but sadly it become that way. The war become dirty...This wasn’t republican ideology....some of the founding father’s of republicism were protestant.

Yes the UK started the troubles (and funded them also) but people like Adams (nationalist and republican) turned it too suit themselves (whether for money, ego, madness or whatever) The trouble’s were started by the injustice unionist Stormont dished out on the nationalist community....They needed a voice and as sad as this is to say...a uprising was the only way to get them to listen...When the British army was deployed to northern Ireland the nationalist community welcomed them with opened arms because they were getting burned out of there house nightly by bigoted loyalist mobs....It wasn’t until Stormont took control of the British army and were used on the nationalist people....Then the war become a war against the UK....yes republican ideology always existed...but in the 60’s there basically was no IRA fighting for a united Ireland...Whatever there was held no support in the nationalist community...It was the injustice dealt out by the elite( Don’t quote me on this but I think a lot of unionist politicians in Stormont at this time were freemasons) that caused the real damage....For me anyway it wasn’t the UK who started the troubles, well apart from patronising Ireland in the first place....It was more to do with sectarianism and the unjust rule of Stormont.

As you know, Adams sold out the IRA (to Blair) to further his own ego (with his Derry 'council leader' McGuiness) Sold out the IRA??? Wow Aren’t you a hardliner...This sounds like some heavy anti-Sinn Fein propaganda there......The truth being the IRA were rotting from the inside, they couldn’t get no weapons’ in, they couldn’t move because they were riddled with tout’s, there war had become dirty,.....Plain and simple there was a stalemate....Don’t expect them to come out on the news and say this, but in secret any honest republican will tell you this....they had reached a stalemate with the brits...The brits don’t want anything to do with the north of Ireland, It is no economic use to them, they could not defeat the IRA...And no matter what republican propaganda might say it was never visible that the IRA could make the brits leave with a Armed struggle alone, civil war would have erupted....Gerry adams is not stupid....All war’s end with some sort of peace process. Plain and simple the people were sick of it and wanted a new direction.

WTF are they doing now for the 'just cause'??? They are using the voice which they never had before the armed struggle....The majority voted for them to go into govt, they are there because of the will of the people....the IRA only ever had creditable cause the people supported them...the people want them to go in this direction.....I agree they seem to have done well for themselves by becoming politician....but don’t all politician’s?

Don't give me shit about 'young lads', it was the older 'lads' (i.e. Adams / McGuiness) that was putting them in goal to harden them up for their own selfish causes (but yes it was a despicable move)
Young lads??? I never said anything about Young lads so less of your shit my friend lol...I Said ordinary lads! In less of course you want to disagree with that too.....Ordinary people were driven to commit awful acts by the things they seen happening in there community...Adams and mc Guinness weren’t always politicians ya know, they were well respected member’s of their community..........your leading us to believe that they had some plan all along to become big shoot politicians Do tell your story?...It is strongly rumoured at one point martin mc Guinness was in goal himself...both men done time in prisons.... They were a product of the awful society they grew up in.......what usually made these “ordinary” lads join the cause...was act of brutally by the state (bloody Sunday etc) And I think you will find the “ordinary Lads(hunger strikers) I was talking about took the decision to strike by themselves, The leadership outside the prison didn’t want it to happen....by yet you claim it was Adams/mc Guinness were lining these boys up.

I know quite a few people who have been sent to shoot coppers with guns that don't work....Riddled with touts man, from top to bottom but I have yet to see any shred of evidence’s to say Gerry Adams is one....So until I Do....I wont to jumping about shouting about Gerry Adams selling us out....If his bro is guilty I hope he rots in prisions forever...but this should be a reflection on Mr Adams himself..

I'm from the same up-bringing of these people and will fight any bastard who wants it
Oh good your from the North yourself? I really hope so....I am myself and tend to be skepitical towards ppl who aren’t from here talking about it lol

I do not hate anyone, so don't just jump in future Nor do I man, I’m no Sinn Fein voter either...Just putting across my views as I said sorry for jumping in, the whole criminal thing is a sore point from where I’m from... hope this clears a bit up.

[bendelapidate]

I meant what I said. You either conquor a country or you leave it alone to manage it's own affairs. Nothing good ever comes from thinking you know best and throwing billions or pounds away trying to change other countries.
In the past Britain grew wealthy by invading other lands, supressing them and plundering thier rescources. Now Britain is on the brink of a financial abyss because ever since Churchill cost us the Empire we have spent all our own rescources invading other countries to try and make them 'better' with nothing good to show for it.

But Ireland doesn't have any resources to plunder. The conflict between "catholics and protestants" is as manufactured as the conflict between "moslems and hindus" in Pakistan/India.

The manufactured conflict of "catholic vs protestant" serves as a smokescreen to detract from the true nature of the Irish "problem" which is actually one of not being allowed true self-determination after the all-Ireland elections in 1916 and having that taken away from them by a traitor settlement which saw a traitor government in Dublin accept partition as if it was the natural thing to do.

My grandfather defended his homeland against British thugs who were sent as mercenaries to beat up, pillage and burn villages. This is where the root of the troubles lies, not in stunt men like Adams and co.

The British government and establishment always use their tried and trusted technique of divide and conquer when they are forced out of an old colony.

The same is true of India/Pakistan.

[convulsions for breakfast]

The troubles started when Britain forgot she was an emperor and started running round impersonating a policeman.

Ireland should either belong to us or it should belong to the Irish. Fuck peacekeeping and fuck Pedo Adams.

Do you understand how ignorant your message is....I'm not even going to reply to it because if I was to say what i wanted to say i would be kicked off the forum.....Stupidity at the highest level...

People say were going through some sort of awaking....I think you are good proof that this is bullshit....I've tried to be half nice on this forum but surely this is talking da piss

[texdallas]

Do you understand how ignorant your message is....I'm not even going to reply to it because if I was to say what i wanted to say i would be kicked off the forum.....Stupidity at the highest level...

People say were going through some sort of awaking....I think you are good proof that this is bullshit....I've tried to be half nice on this forum but surely this is talking da piss

Welcome to the forum convulsions fucking excellent posts!

[kitler]

Do you understand how ignorant your message is....I'm not even going to reply to it because if I was to say what i wanted to say i would be kicked off the forum.....Stupidity at the highest level...

People say were going through some sort of awaking....I think you are good proof that this is bullshit....I've tried to be half nice on this forum but surely this is talking da piss

You don't agree that Ireland should belong to the Irish? Why not?

[ginger_wizard]

As I asked in a previous thread - the majority of ppl on this forum appear to believe the war in Iraq to be purposeful propaganda as well as the war in Afghanistan via virtues of oil / gas / anti global terrorism etc etc, then please someone tell us all the difference between what is goin on in the middle east now against what was going on in Northern Ireland then?

The simple basics are the Irish have fought for hundreds of years to return what is theirs to their own. Bollocks to The British Powers. The recent troubles and their players are only well known on the mainland due to msm, which funnily enough didnt exist in the era of The Boyne, The Plantations or prior to The Easter Rising in 1916, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT? Because 99% of Eng, Scot and Wales were living under the same rule of power and being played as the same starved dogs of death as ourselves in Ireland. I think its about time some ppl round here realised that.

Its actually very disappointing to see the whole 1980's -90's red top press attitude raise its ugly head from a group of people who firstly tend to think themselves erm, ENLIGHTENED, and secondly have never lived through the problems caused by their own troops in a foreign country, yet claim to know the whole situation via a third party.

If any political leader whether current or past grew up in an environment of abuse then no matter what their politics, that is a disgusting shame - the human cost is surely what counts? no?

[rashhead]

convulsions for breakfast

Good points my friend although my angle on the young / ordinary lads is probably just as true as the hunger strikers, not that I'm saying Adams was directly guilty of this

I'm actually Scottish and was born a right-footer, but not interested in religion :eek:

Just feel sorry for Irish people for having to be dragged through decades of shite through no fault of their own

[texdallas]

He's handed himself in to Sligo Garda Barracks this morning

http://oceanfm.ie/news/2009/12/23/liam-adams-hands-himself-in-to-sligo-gardai/

[convulsions for breakfast]

Originally Posted by kitler
i meant what i said. You either conquor a country or you leave it alone to manage it's own affairs. Nothing good ever comes from thinking you know best and throwing billions or pounds away trying to change other countries.
In the past britain grew wealthy by invading other lands, supressing them and plundering thier rescources. Now britain is on the brink of a financial abyss because ever since churchill cost us the empire we have spent all our own rescources invading other countries to try and make them 'better' with nothing good to show for it.

You really believe Britain have spent all their own resource’s invading other countries to try and make them better with nothing to show for it??....I’m not sure you have a straight face on when you’re saying this....I think your trying to wine people up here...Britain are some sort of liberator’s, soldier’s are hero’s giving there lives’ for freedom lol...this attitude sounds like it has been took straight from the mainstream media, If I am correct and this is your attitude you really have been sold a lie....Britain will never be liberator’s of anywhere, quite the opposite, they have destroyed more culture’s that any country in the world, Next time you see a advertisement for sum third world country making you feel guilty....think to yourself “ I bet Britain had a big part to play in steeling their resource’s” cause ya know what it is more than likely true..A bit of research should confirm this...I would be really surprised if it turned out otherwise....Next time you hear of Britain’s bombs being dropped on sum innocent people, Think to yourself “the queen has just made money out of that” Again it is probably true.....

As for the people who have took it upon themselves to be the liberotor’s of lands that have nothing to do with them (soldiers).....I really feel sorry for these people if they really believe this..This is the worst case of brainwashing I have ever seen...most of them are sitting at home on the dole and a war on foreign land is the best their great country has to offer them, that’s prospects for ya, a lot of them have wives and kids sitting at home and the best their “great” country has to offer them is a tour of duty in some hellhole were killing is a daily way of life....These people could well be basically blood sacrifice’s for a elite agenda yet they believe what there told and it is saintly to be a solider...Anybody who chose’s to kill for a living really needs to sit down and examine there dark side...Is there a part of them enjoying this madness?? I think the answer for most of them is NO, they have just been naive and got involved in something they really can not handle and they suffer the conquence’s when they come back physically and mentally damaged...Some of them must be enjoying it...They got to be...They go back for more......

.War will never change any thing...It is quite the opposite, It’s main aim to keep the status quo going, For me war is inhumane, It is only right to resist it, but the fact that the horror is happening on foreign lands leaves the people who’s govt are the perpetrators of these awful acts protected and insensitive to what really is going on .It should disgust you that your govt expect you to believe they are changing things for the better by blowing the shit out of another country, what sort of twisted logic is that...It’s a damn right insult to your intelligence’s that they ever dare try and feed you the lie....yet you seem to have taken it in, I would laugh only it really isn’t a laughing matter.

Also Britain aren’t on the brink of financial abyss because of invading other countries and trying to make them better....I know the only reason the American economy is still afloat is because of the money the war effort is generating...and I suspect the war is doing Britain no harm either...War is good for the economy....Britain’s financial problems are more to do with the whole monetary system being a massive Scam...The whole recession/debt thing is a matter of problem, reaction, solution....they created it, we react, and then they get there way...... and not to worry yours will have plenty to show for the whole Iraq/Afghanistan so at least Britain can go back to being great again, I suspect this will make you real happy, maybe yours could even go back to being a empire since Churchill cost yours it lol you talk like the empire was a good thing.....you really can’t see no one else on this planet but you?

The troubles started when Britain forgot she was an emperor and started running round impersonating a policeman.

Ireland should either belong to us or it should belong to the Irish. Fuck peacekeeping and fuck Pedo Adams.

I then replied with a comment stating your message was ignorant and you answered!

You don't agree that Ireland should belong to the Irish? Why not?

You never said Ireland should belong to the Irish.....You said Ireland should either belong to us or it should belong to the Irish....The ignorance’s being...the belong to us part....It is not even a question worth considering....Ireland belongs to the Irish end of story....Not that it matter’s any more now that Ireland has signed their sovereignty away to the Lisbon treaty the only hope we have of unity....Is probably the united state’s of Europe anyway....What a sad thought. And what sort of comment is Fuck peace keeping...If is pure ignorance’s I was just in my reply.

[convulsions for breakfast]

Thank you to texdallas, for the welcome, respect man, I'm just here to learn but it looks like most people on this forum already have everything figured out...Since I live In the place I just thought the would offer my view on the situation....I don’t claim to be right I’m just offering my perspective... Again thanks for the welcome dude.

Good points my friend although my angle on the young / ordinary lads is probably just as true as the hunger strikers, not that I'm saying Adams was directly guilty of this

I'm actually Scottish and was born a right-footer, but not interested in religion

Just feel sorry for Irish people for having to be dragged through decades of shite through no fault of their ownYou know what...I agree with your angle with the young lads being sent to do things will the leaders sat on their hole....It’s like the line in the system of a down song “why don’t presidents fight da war” The whole situation is a joke man, It’s time for the too community’s to take a step back and look at the bigger picture....who is the enemy?

The two communities are in ruins and we are alike in so many ways....The only difference is man made religion, politics is then born out off this small difference, There is so many organisations keeping us in the pass and feeding hate (the orange order being the main one) actually come to think of it Michael Tsarion does some good vids on you tube about the secret societies of Ireland, If what he says is true it really does explain a lot...

It is time to come out of the dark ages and think to ourselves who really benefits from this mess, who ever it is, is fuelling the flames of sectarianism and keeping us at each other’s throat’s so we can’t see the bigger picture....were blinded so we can’t see who the real enemy is....This place has well and truly been divided and conquered....I just hope we can step out of it, The evolution of conscious is well and truly need over here..oh and in Scotland 2 hahaha lol

[soleil]

i asked about jerry adams and he said he alone had arrested him many times and was always told to release him.

he said he was a right cunt and it was well known that he was part of the troubles in ireland. but tptb kept letting him go...

wonder why!!!!

The loyalist versions of the IRA ambushed him at least a couple of times but the British Army were always on hand to rescue him. He has lived a charmed life.

[soleil]

It is interesting how convulsions for breakfast has directed this thread away from paedophilia (and a possible cover up at the highest levels of the IRA) to the rights and wrongs of Irish history.

This forum has made some serious allegations concerning politicians but few have been allowed to hide behind 'history'.

[texdallas]

It is interesting how convulsions for breakfast has directed this thread away from paedophilia (and a possible cover up at the highest levels of the IRA) to the rights and wrongs of Irish history.

This forum has made some serious allegations concerning politicians but few have been allowed to hide behind 'history'.

convulsions has done nothing to redirect the thread he just needed to make some posts to correct the outstanding ignorance displayed by other posters. If you wanna get OT then Liam Adams has handed himself in to the Guards in Sligo and a European arrest warrent is being sought by the PSNI.

[texdallas]

The loyalist versions of the IRA ambushed him at least a couple of times but the British Army were always on hand to rescue him. He has lived a charmed life.

Links??

[d9d9d9]

How any part of Ireland can belong to anyone else other than Irish people is a mystery to me.

[trev1]

The trouble’s were started by the injustice unionist Stormont dished out on the nationalist community....

Not true it all started when England invaded Ireland about 1,000 years ago!
The troubles did not start in the 1970s. Its naive to say that !
What about the previous 1,000 years of English persecution :)
Im not in any way religious, but if you know your
history what happened was that loads of english
people (prodestants) were moved to Ireland in
the 17th and 18th Century - literally planted in
Ireland like seeds. I dont see the logic in all those
orange marches when infact, the lets face it 'true
irish' (mostly Catholics) were there a long time
before them , so ....

Dont get me wrong I love the English people now so.... but
im just stating how I see the history of it !

[texdallas]

Not true it all started when England invaded Ireland about 1,000 years ago!
The troubles did not start in the 1970s. Its naive to say that !
What about the previous 1,000 years of English persecution :)
Im not in any way religious, but if you know your
history what happened was that loads of english
people (prodestants) were moved to Ireland in
the 17th and 18th Century - literally planted in
Ireland like seeds. I dont see the logic in all those
orange marches when infact, the lets face it 'true
irish' (mostly Catholics) were there a long time
before them , so ....

Dont get me wrong I love the English people now so.... but
im just stating how I see the history of it !

The modern troubles being refered to are from 1966 onward

[trev1]

The modern troubles being refered to are from 1966 onward

yeah but it was like a virus re-awaking. I get cold sores
but sometimes I can go for years without getting one ...
but to be sure I will get one somewhere down the line :rolleyes:

[convulsions for breakfast]

The loyalist versions of the IRA ambushed him at least a couple of times but the British Army were always on hand to rescue him. He has lived a charmed life.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA yeah right...pull the other one....believe any old shit would ya...them cowboys would’nt be able to get in a 5 mile radius of Gerry adams. Fucking nonsense's.

convulsions has done nothing to redirect the thread he just needed to make some posts to correct the outstanding ignorance displayed by other posters. If you wanna get OT then Liam Adams has handed himself in to the Guards in Sligo and a European arrest warrent is being sought by the PSNI.

Thank you man. It is obvious someone hasn’t bothered checking how the topic’s changed before rushing to conclusions.....Topics change man, a subject leads to another subject....As I stated I Hope Liam Adams rots in prision if found guilty....

It is interesting how convulsions for breakfast has directed this thread away from paedophilia (and a possible cover up at the highest levels of the IRA) to the rights and wrongs of Irish history.

This forum has made some serious allegations concerning politicians but few have been allowed to hide behind 'history'.

You seem to have conveniently mistaken Gerry Adams for his brother Liam Adams....Liam Adams was at councilor at most...Who Gerry Adams tried to get dispelled as soon as he found out about the allegations...I can see how this leads to a possible cover up at the highest levels of the IRA...please explain??? Again I feel this is people grasping at any piece of information out there to make up a massive conspiracy? Offer me some sort of proof of a possible cover up at the highest levels of the IRA and I will listen...until then your allegations don’t stand up. I have said my piece on Irish History I also said I hope Liam Adams found guilty he rots in prisons for ever...So take it away sunshine....Digg into Liam Adams all you want I have no problem with this....

Gerry Adams family have been going through shit about, Gerry Adams has just found out his brothers and sisters were abused....but some how some people seem to think Gerry Adams was the abuser...His father and brother actions are no reflection on him.....but of course people want to turn it so that it does reflect on him and the originations he represent’s....Until we know any different stop grasping at straws...Lets all remember it is Liam Adams we are talking about here...If information came’s out stating it was Gerry then maybe there is reason to beleive it is a cover up...until I see that information...the conversation is pointless.

Not true it all started when England invaded Ireland about 1,000 years ago!
The troubles did not start in the 1970s. Its naive to say that !
What about the previous 1,000 years of English persecution
Im not in any way religious, but if you know your
history what happened was that loads of english
people (prodestants) were moved to Ireland in
the 17th and 18th Century - literally planted in
Ireland like seeds. I dont see the logic in all those
orange marches when infact, the lets face it 'true
irish' (mostly Catholics) were there a long time
before them , so ....

Dont get me wrong I love the English people now so.... but
im just stating how I see the history of it !

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I just knew it.....Someone just had to say it.....your going to educate me on the trouble in the north....Naive?? Know my History??

Up here the “trouble’s” was a term used from the late 1960’s to 1998....It is a term used to exclusively refer to the war between them dates...No other dates...This is from wekipedia but I can assure you this is factually true. Come on man let's all have a laugh and tell everybody where your from???

The Troubles (Irish: Na Trioblóidí) was a period of ethno-political[3][4][5][6][7] conflict in Northern Ireland which spilled over at various times into England, the Republic of Ireland, and Continental Europe. The duration of the Troubles is conventionally dated from the late 1960s and considered by many to have ended with the Belfast Agreement of 1998.[8][9][10][11][12] Violence nonetheless continues on a sporadic basis.[9][13][14]
The principal issues at stake in the Troubles were the constitutional status of Northern Ireland and the relationship between the mainly-Protestant Unionist and mainly-Catholic Nationalist communities in Northern Ireland. The Troubles had both political and military (or paramilitary) dimensions. Its participants included politicians and political activists on both sides, republican and loyalist paramilitaries, and the security forces of the United Kingdom and of the Republic of Ireland.

[geezer661]

Oh yes mr adams is a criminal.....a terrorist....yes yes of course...you brain washed fool...you'r spurting out shit like marget thatcher....yes the republician movement were noting more than mere criminal's while the british army were saint's saving northern ireland:cool:.....Cut the bullshit. I am not pro IRA but there actions were political not criminal.

Hungar strikers died to be regonized as political prisoner's, these men were ordinarly lads who got themselves caught up in a extra-ordinary sitution, there community was under attack from the state and they fought back the only way they knew how.....I hope when the state turn's on you you can show a quater of as much courage as these men showed....

What action would you take when the state come's of you???

What action would you take watching your family and friends being treated as animal's???

I suppose you would get the guitar and sing some songs of peace and love and make it all go away...

The world is a awful fecking place, hate breed out of injustice in northern ireland...all side actions at one time or another were digusting...ALL SIDES...I does my head in when people take in the propaganda

I know those poor IRA men who blew those nasty evil civilians to pieces. I mean being stopped at check points how humiliating. That deserves all the bombs and murdered civilians

and also u dnt know a god damn thing about the political situation, If u did u wouldn't be talking such bollocks would you. The vast majority of the people of northern ireland wanted to remain british and they sent the army in because of all the attacks from the catholics on protestant communities.


oh no Ive just been stopped at a check point lets go and MURDER a bunch of civilians. Yeaaa thats justice we're not to blame the british are

[texdallas]

I know those poor IRA men who blew those nasty evil civilians to pieces. I mean being stopped at check points how humiliating. That deserves all the bombs and murdered civilians

and also u dnt know a god damn thing about the political situation, If u did u wouldn't be talking such bollocks would you. The vast majority of the people of northern ireland wanted to remain british and they sent the army in because of all the attacks from the catholics on protestant communities.


oh no Ive just been stopped at a check point lets go and MURDER a bunch of civilians. Yeaaa thats justice we're not to blame the british are

Jesus wept.

"Violence finally erupted in 1966 following the twin 50th anniversaries of the Battle of the Somme and the Easter Rising - touchstones for Protestant and Catholic communities respectively.

Rioting and disorder was followed in May and June by the murders of two Catholics and a Protestant by a 'loyalist' terror group called the Ulster Volunteer Force."


A small fact check for you. Not that this is a blame game.

Also we saw the imergance of the modern IRA following the murder of Twenty-seven civil rights protesters were shot by the British Army Parachute Regiment during a Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association march. I'll also point out these were innocent people murdered by the Brithish Army. My God your ignorant!

[geezer661]

Gerry Adams family have been going through shit about, Gerry Adams has just found out his brothers and sisters were abused....but some how some people seem to think Gerry Adams was the abuser...His father and brother actions are no reflection on him.....but of course people want to turn it so that it does reflect on him and the originations he represent’s....Until we know any different stop grasping at straws...Lets all remember it is Liam Adams we are talking about here...If information came’s out stating it was Gerry then maybe there is reason to beleive it is a cover up...until I see that information...the conversation is pointless.

aw poor gerry adams. I hope he suffers the rest of his days.

but how can u blow apart hundreds of innocent civis and watch on tv their familes sufferin and feel nothing and then go on to feel about his own fam. Yea i bet hes lost a lot of sleep

[geezer661]

and anyone who thinks if britain would have given it back everything would have been heaven are sadly mistaken. There would have been an independence movement going on by the protestants

[geezer661]

Jesus wept.

"Violence finally erupted in 1966 following the twin 50th anniversaries of the Battle of the Somme and the Easter Rising - touchstones for Protestant and Catholic communities respectively.

Rioting and disorder was followed in May and June by the murders of two Catholics and a Protestant by a 'loyalist' terror group called the Ulster Volunteer Force."


A small fact check for you. Not that this is a blame game.

Also we saw the imergance of the modern IRA following the murder of Twenty-seven civil rights protesters were shot by the British Army Parachute Regiment during a Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association march. I'll also point out these were innocent people murdered by the Brithish Army. My God your ignorant!


IRA false flags

[texdallas]

IRA false flags


Nope just your lack of understanding of the situation. You are a real geezer alright

[texdallas]

and anyone who thinks if britain would have given it back everything would have been heaven are sadly mistaken. There would have been an independence movement going on by the protestants

Wow how perceptive of you.

[geezer661]

Wow how perceptive of you.

thanks

[texdallas]

thanks


Yeah sure whatever I suppose if you spout enough BS somes gotta stick.

[d9d9d9]

The vast majority of the people of northern ireland wanted to remain british and they sent the army in because of all the attacks from the catholics on protestant communities.



You live in La La Land dude, Evil Empire and your Lizard Queen are in Northern Ireland in the same way they are now in Iraq and Afganistan... They don't belong there.

[geezer661]

listen dudes sorry to slag off the IRA i know yr sympathisers and that you dont care about the innocent civis. If you did you wouldn't keep defending them

so sorry again

[geezer661]

You live in La La Land dude, Evil Empire and your Lizard Queen are in Northern Ireland in the same way they are now in Iraq and Afganistan... They don't belong there.

yea ask the vast majourity of the people tht make up northern ireland (protestants) and see wht they say

but hey this view doesn't go with wht icke says which is why u dont go with it. Your just an icke sheep. Yve left one herd for another

i bet yr american and u have the gaul to lecture me about an evil empire

[texdallas]

listen dudes sorry to slag off the IRA i know yr sympathisers and that you dont care about the innocent civis. If you did you wouldn't keep defending them

so sorry again

Again more bullshit. Nobody is here having a pop at anyside the rest of us are trying to deal with facts you've entered the debate with some wild notions I assume you just pulled out of your hole. If it helps you any I'm 100% sure the loyalists in NI were only defending their community too and fair play to them for it.

You seem to enjoy being in the if your not with me your against me mind set. Good luck with that.

[d9d9d9]

listen dudes sorry to slag off the IRA i know yr sympathisers and that you dont care about the innocent civis. If you did you wouldn't keep defending them

so sorry again

You don't have a clue what you're talking about, stop embarrassing yourself and stfu.
Also, go and learn some history ( not talking about what "Number 10" is telling you to read and think).

[geezer661]

Again more bullshit. Nobody is here having a pop at anyside the rest of us are trying to deal with facts you've entered the debate with some wild notions I assume you just pulled out of your hole. If it helps you any I'm 100% sure the loyalists in NI were only defending their community too and fair play to them for it.

You seem to enjoy being in the if your not with me your against me mind set. Good luck with that.

lol thnks

[texdallas]

yea ask the vast majourity of the people tht make up northern ireland (protestants) and see wht they say

but hey this view doesn't go with wht icke says which is why u dont go with it. Your just an icke sheep. Yve left one herd for another

i bet yr american and u have the gaul to lecture me about an evil empire

FFS! 44% Cathloic 53% Protestant 3% no religion. So a 9% difference there hardly vast but no dobut thats the 1st time you've seen the numbers.

[geezer661]

You don't have a clue what you're talking about, stop embarrassing yourself and stfu.
Also, go and learn some history ( not talking about what "Number 10" is telling you to read and think).

oh no im wrong because i dont agree with yr version of history. How civil of you telling me to shut the fuck up because i have a different view to you. Everyone one who doesnt hold yr views should go away and shut the fuck up oh wait thats been done somewhere before, oh yea nazi germany

[d9d9d9]

oh no im wrong because i dont agree with yr version of history. How civil of you telling me to shut the fuck up because i have a different view to you. Everyone one who doesnt hold yr views should go away and shut the fuck up oh wait thats been done somewhere before, oh yea nazi germany

It's not about "different view" ... it's about - you're talking shite geezer661, so yep... stfu.

[geezer661]

FFS! 44% Cathloic 53% Protestant 3% no religion. So a 9% difference there hardly vast but no dobut thats the 1st time you've seen the numbers.

stop usin the CIA book of facts for info

[geezer661]

It's not about "different view" ... it's about - you're talking shite geezer661, so yep... stfu.

yeaaaaa sim tlkin shite for holding different views to you how lovely

[texdallas]

oh no im wrong because i dont agree with yr version of history. How civil of you telling me to shut the fuck up because i have a different view to you. Everyone one who doesnt hold yr views should go away and shut the fuck up oh wait thats been done somewhere before, oh yea nazi germany

No not at all I have no problem you can be whatever and whoever you like for all the differnce it makes to me. Kinda like people in NI can consider themselves British or Irish either way I don't care. What I take exception to is the ignorance of your posts. After all you believe Adams et al should rot is that because they hold a differnet view to you or fought on the other side. Shit things happen when people have no regarde for your point of view. Your funny geezer and I'd bet my nuts you don't even see the irony.

[geezer661]

No not at all I have no problem you can be whatever and whoever you like for all the differnce it makes to me. Kinda like people in NI can consider themselves British or Irish either way I don't care. What I take exception to is the ignorance of your posts. After all you believe Adams et al should rot is that because they hold a differnet view to you or fought on the other side. Shit things happen when people have no regarde for your point of view. Your funny geezer and I'd bet my nuts you don't even see the irony.

im just windin you up. I dont believe adams should rot because of his views. I believe he should rot because of all the innocent civis hes killed

[texdallas]

im just windin you up. I dont believe adams should rot because of his views. I believe he should rot because of all the innocent civis hes killed

OK I can't go along with your logic cause I don't blame the British people for their nation murdering countless millions the world over. Nor do I wish them any harm at all.

[geezer661]

OK I can't go along with your logic cause I don't blame the British people for their nation murdering countless millions the world over. Nor do I wish them any harm at all.

yes but this thread is about gerry adams not the british. He aimed his bombs at civis and now he wants sympathy for shit goin on in his fam

[texdallas]

yes but this thread is about gerry adams not the british. He aimed his bombs at civis and now he wants sympathy for shit goin on in his fam


I don't think Adams is in anyway interested in your or anybody elses sympathy. Maybe you'll back up this notion of yours for us?

[geezer661]

Gerry Adams public discussion of the abuse of his family sounds like a classic case of him building a sympathy defence for his brother when they finally catch up with him. The 'the pedo was abused so he 'had' to go on to abuse' defence. His brother will no doubt put the full sympathy bit on the court.

Anyone remember the pedo in the news recently where the guy was putting forward the same sympathy defence?

.

[fratoue]

yes but this thread is about gerry adams not the british. He aimed his bombs at civis and now he wants sympathy for shit goin on in his fam

To be frank where is the proof Adams bombed anyone?. And again you're defending a state that has blown millions of civilians to pieces in Afghanistan,Iraq,Kosovo and soon to be Iran.

[geezer661]

To be frank where is the proof Adams bombed anyone?. And again you're defending a state that has blown millions of civilians to pieces in Afghanistan,Iraq,Kosovo and soon to be Iran.

im not defending anyone.

[d9d9d9]

im not defending anyone.
Nope, you're right... You're just talking shite.

[texdallas]

.


Thats the opinion of another poster that falls to bits with the two words "sounds like". I was interested in some actual infomation to back up your fantasy.

Fair play to him, many other politicians would shove their heads in the sand and ignore the issue. I'm not a Gerry Adams fan-far from it. But for him to come out and say he belives the victim and supports her deserves recognition. Coupled with the fact he's calling for his brother to hand himself into the police says far more than you'll ever be capable of understanding.

[geezer661]

Nope, you're right... You're just talking shite.

here we go again. nursery has finished hes bk

[texdallas]

here we go again. nursery has finished hes bk

More getting down to your level whats clear as day here geezer is your a bit stupid and bigoted. Now any chance you could present evidence that Adams is trying to generate sympathy?

[geezer661]

More getting down to your level whats clear as day here geezer is your a bit stupid and quite bigoted.

i said im sorry for slaggin the ira godddd forgive me

[texdallas]

i said im sorry for slaggin the ira godddd forgive me

Why do you think this thread is the place for that?

[trev1]

For the person who said that the irish people on
here are IRA sympathisers think again. Not me anyway.

I have never agreed with their campaign and yes they
are murderers. But the British Army killed lot of Irish
Innocents too (e.g. The Irish War of Independence,
Bloody Sunday, etc.), and did the UNLA, RUC (made up
of 99& prodestants until the good friday agreement) and
other Provi groups. They are all murderers too!

Bottom Line = All War Is Wrong and anyone involved
in it is complicit in the murder of humans. GOD is never
on anyones side thats the reality.

BIG BOTTOM LINE = Its the past the Irish and English,
catholics and prodestants can live together in friendship
and peace :)

The normal decent people of each country should now join
together to face a much bigger fish = called the New
World Order.

This thread contains stupid bickering about low level
stuff. If I was a shill for the NWO on this forum I would
spend my time on stupid threads like these !

[geezer661]

Why do you think this thread is the place for that?

i dnt u n yr friend seem to be attcking me 4 my views

[texdallas]

stop usin the CIA book of facts for info

OK so whats the numbers then?

[texdallas]

i dnt u n yr friend seem to be attcking me 4 my views

People are pulling you up on your ignorance of the situation I'd say more importantly they're helping you out by attemping to educate you.

[geezer661]

OK so whats the numbers then?

i was windin u up with tht post. this thread has gone off topic

[geezer661]

People are pulling you up on your ignorance of the situation I'd say more importantly they're helping you out by attemping to educate you.

educate me by name calling. ok

[texdallas]

i was windin u up with tht post. this thread has gone off topic


OK so bring it back then. Why do you think Adams would be in anyway interested in your sympathy or anybody elses?

[texdallas]

educate me by name calling. ok


Tough love

[geezer661]

OK so bring it back then. Why do you think Adams would be in anyway interested in your sympathy or anybody elses?

i told u. And why you think he would be interested in helping the girl. why didnt he feel like this about the innocent civis he helped kill

[geezer661]

Tough love

its not tough love its bein childish

[texdallas]

i told u. And why you think he would be interested in helping the girl. why didnt he feel like this about the innocent civis he helped kill


Cause the girl in question is his niece but again my best bet is you didn't know that either

[geezer661]

Cause the girl in question is his niece but again my best bet is you didn't know that either

oh yeah its different when its his family. tht explains it

[texdallas]

oh yeah its different when its his family. tht explains it

OK so whatever like I said before you understand nothing.

[convulsions for breakfast]

I know those poor IRA men who blew those nasty evil civilians to pieces. I mean being stopped at check points how humiliating. That deserves all the bombs and murdered civilians

and also u dnt know a god damn thing about the political situation, If u did u wouldn't be talking such bollocks would you. The vast majority of the people of northern ireland wanted to remain british and they sent the army in because of all the attacks from the catholics on protestant communities.
oh no Ive just been stopped Yeaaa thats justice we're not to blame the british are at a check point lets go and MURDER a bunch of civilians.

This is your understand of the whole situation then??? You have the balls to say to me i don’t have a clue about the political situation...while you some what reckon the whole trouble’s where started by some mix up with checkpoint’s??



The vast majority of the people of northern ireland wanted to remain british and they sent the army in because of all the attacks from the catholics on protestant communities.

True the vast majority do want to remain british....but go do some research on the history of the plantation and the partion of the north, Where did the border come from? Please make sure you have a clue what your talking about before you shout off shit....This conversation was half decent before you entered....why did you choose to talk about something you obvious don’t understand...your beyond a embarrassment, pain and simple...

oh no im wrong because i dont agree with yr version of history. How civil of you telling me to shut the fuck up because i have a different view to you. Everyone one who doesnt hold yr views should go away and shut the fuck up oh wait thats been done somewhere before, oh yea nazi germany

Please state your version of history...tell us how you see it? Nice and detailed please? Start to finish....I really doubt you can....checkpoints, all hell breaks lose, all the IRA FAULT, sounds like your understanding...Please explain why you hold this belief? personal expirence's? you seem to know a lot? or did someone tell you?

im just windin you up. I dont believe adams should rot because of his views. I believe he should rot because of all the innocent civis hes killed.

It was only the IRA killed people? As I stated in my previous post’s, This was one fucking awful place to live in but yet it’s always the IRA singled out...your govt killed people...but yet when the IRA done it was terrorist attacks....The hypocrisy of it all stinks, just like it does in Iraq and Afghanistan 2day.....so explain to me what you think off the innoncent dying over in Iraq/Afghanistan today? How do you see that situation.....I would interested to know...something along the lines of causality’s of war while when the soldiers die it’s da work of terrorist’s.....hypocrisy is what it’s all about.

and anyone who thinks if britain would have given it back everything would have been heaven are sadly mistaken. There would have been an independence movement going on by the protestants

oh my god there was a indepent movement going by the protestant, you choose to speak out on a forum about Ireland yet you did'nt know this?hahahahahaha.....weren’t your soldier’s doing a good enough job inflicting massacre’s on the Irish people anyway....your a joke man,

[geezer661]

OK so whatever like I said before you understand nothing.

ok w.e

[texdallas]

ok w.e

ok w.e?? convulsions posted a few questions for you geezer now's your time to shine!!!!

[texdallas]

It has emerged that Liam Adams presented himself at a Sligo Garda station on Monday however gardaí were not in a position to detain or question him as the PSNI had not provided a European arrest warrant in relation to sex abuse allegations.

Full story here

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/1223/adams.html

and here

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8427865.stm

[soleil]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA yeah right...pull the other one....believe any old shit would ya...them cowboys would’nt be able to get in a 5 mile radius of Gerry adams. Fucking nonsense's.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/march/14/newsid_2543000/2543503.stm

What's all this venom about? How can a thread about incest/ child abuse and consequent cover ups be transformed into a thread covering Irish history from Strongbow to Terence O'Neill?

I suppose the US' Republican party's paedophile scandal is the fault of those loyalist Brits too?

[texdallas]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/march/14/newsid_2543000/2543503.stm

What's all this venom about? How can a thread about incest/ child abuse and consequent cover ups be transformed into a thread covering Irish history from Strongbow to Terence O'Neill?

I suppose the US' Republican party's paedophile scandal is the fault of those loyalist Brits too?

"From his hospital bed, Gerry Adams, accused the British army of having prior knowledge of the attack and allowing it to go ahead" FYI geezer we call this collusion.

[endlessvista]

How very dare you my friend...

Yes the UK started the troubles (and funded them also) but people like Adams (nationalist and republican) turned it too suit themselves (whether for money, ego, madness or whatever)

As you know, Adams sold out the IRA (to Blair) to further his own ego (with his Derry 'council leader' McGuiness)

WTF are they doing now for the 'just cause'???

Don't give me shit about 'young lads', it was the older 'lads' (i.e. Adams / McGuiness) that was putting them in goal to harden them up for their own selfish causes (but yes it was a despicable move)

I know quite a few people who have been sent to shoot coppers with guns that don't work

I'm from the same up-bringing of these people and will fight any bastard who wants it

I do not hate anyone, so don't just jump in future :mad:

Quality post.

[soleil]

"From his hospital bed, Gerry Adams, accused the British army of having prior knowledge of the attack and allowing it to go ahead" FYI geezer we call this collusion.

Perhaps, perhaps not. What is for sure, he would say that. He is hardly going to thank the British soldier who saved his life.

I don't think we've seen the last of this issue despite the success of strawmen in this thread. I don't think that it is a coincidence that this latest exposé occured just after the Ryan and Murphy reports. There seems to be a cover-up rangining from the unChristian buggerers to Sinn Fein.

Enjoy your history debate anyway.

[convulsions for breakfast]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...00/2543503.stm

aghhhhghhhhhhghghgh....seriously do you think them cowboy's done that....They were fucking directed.without a doubt...

I have already Adressed how the topic changed.... I’m sorry It wasn’t intentional, It changed....i just was trying to correct the outstanding ignorance displayed by other poster....thank for them words texdallas but this is exactly what i was trying to do....maybe I should have let the ignorance continue since it was going off topic...


convulsions has done nothing to redirect the thread he just needed to make some posts to correct the outstanding ignorance displayed by other posters. If you wanna get OT then Liam Adams has handed himself in to the Guards in Sligo and a European arrest warrent is being sought by the PSNI.

Thank you man. It is obvious someone hasn’t bothered checking how the topic’s changed before rushing to conclusions.....Topics change man, a subject leads to another subject....As I stated I Hope Liam Adams rots in prision if found guilty....
I also stated...

I have said my piece on Irish History I also said I hope Liam Adams found guilty he rots in prisons for ever...So take it away sunshine....Digg into Liam Adams all you want I have no problem with this....

I have said my bit but what do you want me to do...when people will continue to fire shit out about it, keep quiet....ok fair enough i will keep quietly and let it get back on topic... Happy?

I suppose the US' Republican party's paedophile scandal is the fault of those loyalist Brits too?

Not this is just being stupid and last time i looked there was no paedophile scandal in sinn fein....how many time’s do i have to state it is Gerry adams brother and father....Not Gerry Adams himself.....how many time’s do i have to state this to you??? And you wonder where the venom comes from...your grasping at straws...unless of course you suggest Gerry Adams was up to these vile acts 2....then as i stated show me evidence’s....his bro and da were so this must mean he is?? Is that your thinking?? Then maybe you could sugguest some sort of scandal..you really want there to be a scandal don’t you?...until the evidence’s you focus on Liam Adams and i will keep quiet bout Irish history

[texdallas]

An international warrant needed to arrest a brother of Gerry Adams who is wanted on sex abuse charges could take six weeks to obtain.

www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/breaking-news/uk-ireland/adams-warrant-could-take-weeks-14609487.html"]

[convulsions for breakfast]

For the person who said that the irish people on
here are IRA sympathisers think again. Not me anyway.

I have never agreed with their campaign and yes they
are murderers. But the British Army killed lot of Irish
Innocents too (e.g. The Irish War of Independence,
Bloody Sunday, etc.), and did the UNLA, RUC (made up
of 99& prodestants until the good friday agreement) and
other Provi groups. They are all murderers too!

Bottom Line = All War Is Wrong and anyone involved
in it is complicit in the murder of humans. GOD is never
on anyones side thats the reality.

BIG BOTTOM LINE = Its the past the Irish and English,
catholics and prodestants can live together in friendship
and peace

The normal decent people of each country should now join
together to face a much bigger fish = called the New
World Order.

This thread contains stupid bickering about low level
stuff. If I was a shill for the NWO on this forum I would
spend my time on stupid threads like these !

Seriously? Would you like to come up north and i will bring you to a loyalist area with Israel flags flying? And you can tell them how the orange order is part of the conspiracy....and that wee freemason club there granddad goes to is actually the root of the world’s problems....and there beloved British govt is actually planning to kill them lol i would rather you than me lol

Originally Posted by rashhead
How very dare you my friend...

Yes the UK started the troubles (and funded them also) but people like Adams (nationalist and republican) turned it too suit themselves (whether for money, ego, madness or whatever)

As you know, Adams sold out the IRA (to Blair) to further his own ego (with his Derry 'council leader' McGuiness)

WTF are they doing now for the 'just cause'???

Don't give me shit about 'young lads', it was the older 'lads' (i.e. Adams / McGuiness) that was putting them in goal to harden them up for their own selfish causes (but yes it was a despicable move)

I know quite a few people who have been sent to shoot coppers with guns that don't work

I'm from the same up-bringing of these people and will fight any bastard who wants it

I do not hate anyone, so don't just jump in future

Quality post.

Tell me what is so great about that post...
I can see that your address is co Wicklow........Far far away from the trouble....It always seem to me....the futher away you are from the trouble the more hardliner you become...Adams soul us out blah blah blah.....please correct if if I’m wrong...did you experience’s it? To me he went through a peace process because that’s what the people wanted....it’s good to be able to walk about without the fear of getting killed....would you know anything about this fear?
Please correct me if I’m wrong...please be honest....no shit like my da was a commander...be honest do you know what it feel like’s to worry about that your family will be killed??? Or does a peace process going against republican ideology bother you more?

[ginger_wizard]

It has long been my feeling that the msm are attempting to reestablish the anti Irish mindset within the British Public. A thread that can go as far askew as this pretty much reinforces my fears.

Some of the views expressed here are exceptionally unknowledgable, bigoted and downright disgraceful - a blatant bit of programming by tptb.

I would just like to wish Merry Christmas to those who really haven't got a clue about what they're talking about - from Coca Cola.

May Santa block your chimney and Coke rot your teeth until your misguided untruths become almost impossible to utter.

Thats a new proverb.

Best wishes to to those with a little sense and above :)

[clachan]

Just read through the whole thread and my attention was drawn to the issue of checkpoints and Bloody Sunday.
So sorry if a bit of topic but it has to be said from my perspective as an ex paratrooper who served with 1 Para in the early 80,s.

Check points:Civilians were often attacted,dragged from there vehicles and beaten.Usually these were your lads crossing the border for a pint and of no threat to anyone.I often wondered how i would react if i were travelling in my own country and German paras beat me up !
Maybe i,d want to kill them.

Bloody Sunday:No conspiracy by the British government."
Just 2 or 3 nutters who let loose,however,the order was given by the CO to shoot dead a gunman on a rooftop i believe.

[texdallas]

The OP has been silent thus far. Your opening comment is interestig maybe you could expand on it for us?

"Sinn Fein Leader's Daddy and Bro are Paedos!
Why doesn't this surprise me?"

[bradstone]

Dallas, are you an American defending the murder of English civilians by the IRA?

Why not clarify that for us?

Do you think it was okay for the IRA to murder English civilians?

Anyone who thinks it's okay to kill innocent English people because of the big bad conspiracy of the Royal Family is asking for a severe beating.

Do you fund Israeli organ thieves? Maybe I should bomb your family?

[geezer661]

Dallas, are you an American defending the murder of English civilians by the IRA?

Why not clarify that for us?

Do you think it was okay for the IRA to murder English civilians?

Anyone who thinks it's okay to kill innocent English people because of the big bad conspiracy of the Royal Family is asking for a severe beating.

Do you fund Israeli organ thieves? Maybe I should bomb your family?

its because americans have this distorted romantacised view of the whole situation.

[bradstone]

its because americans have this distorted romantacised view of the whole situation.

True, and because he finances Israeli murder and theft of children's organs, he is logically calling for terrorist attacks on his own family.

[kitler]

you talk like the empire was a good thing.....you really can’t see no one else on this planet but you?

I reckon the Empire was a good thing. The world has always had empires. I happen to think ours was the best. Englishmen are better men and were born to rule. Don't believe me? Well considering how many peoples have conquored Britain over the years when was the last time you heard an Englishman crying about it. Never thats when because Englishmen are greatful for all the things the Romans, Vikings and French gave us. All you do is cry about potatoes and worship the pope like he ever did shit for you.



Ireland belongs to the Irish end of story....Not that it matter’s any more now that Ireland has signed their sovereignty away to the Lisbon treaty the only hope we have of unity....Is probably the united state’s of Europe anyway....What a sad thought. And what sort of comment is Fuck peace keeping...If is pure ignorance’s I was just in my reply.

Ireland belongs to the Pope. You wouldn't know what to do with real freedom. And I'm not ignorant. I've got a Sinead O'Connor record.

[texdallas]

Dallas, are you an American defending the murder of English civilians by the IRA?

Why not clarify that for us?

Do you think it was okay for the IRA to murder English civilians?

Anyone who thinks it's okay to kill innocent English people because of the big bad conspiracy of the Royal Family is asking for a severe beating.

Do you fund Israeli organ thieves? Maybe I should bomb your family?


Defending maybe you'll point out where I stated that, I'm at a loss and no I'm not Americian.

[texdallas]

its because americans have this distorted romantacised view of the whole situation.


Again I'm not American

[texdallas]

I reckon the Empire was a good thing. The world has always had empires. I happen to think ours was the best. Englishmen are better men and were born to rule. Don't believe me? Well considering how many peoples have conquored Britain over the years when was the last time you heard an Englishman crying about it. Never thats when because Englishmen are greatful for all the things the Romans, Vikings and French gave us. All you do is cry about potatoes and worship the pope like he ever did shit for you.




Ireland belongs to the Pope. You wouldn't know what to do with real freedom. And I'm not ignorant. I've got a Sinead O'Connor record.

No Kitler your as dumb as they come not to mention racist. Thanks for putting it in black and white for all to see.

[convulsions for breakfast]

Just read through the whole thread and my attention was drawn to the issue of checkpoints and Bloody Sunday.
So sorry if a bit of topic but it has to be said from my perspective as an ex paratrooper who served with 1 Para in the early 80,s.

Check points:Civilians were often attacted,dragged from there vehicles and beaten.Usually these were your lads crossing the border for a pint and of no threat to anyone.I often wondered how i would react if i were travelling in my own country and German paras beat me up !
Maybe i,d want to kill them.


So what your saying to me is your understanding of the trouble’s is....Checkpoints played a big part in a war that went on over 30 years?? Yes they played a small part but I think you should educate yourself of the long long list of injustices’ before you start to talk....Do me a favour go and Google internment or the shooting of children with plastic bullet’s before you choose to open your mouth...That’s only the start....

Bloody Sunday:No conspiracy by the British government."
Just 2 or 3 nutters who let loose,however,the order was given by the CO to shoot dead a gunman on a rooftop i believe.

I Believe??? You Believe? Please do tell me how you lead yourself to believe this? Evidence’s of how you came to this conclusions? Where did you get your information from? Please go and Google collusions before you speak...

After your little googling day off fun please come back and then maybe we can talk......But please please make sure you know what your on about.I know the net is'nt the best sorce ever, but it def should add to your understanding...

Dallas, are you an American defending the murder of English civilians by the IRA?

Why not clarify that for us?

Do you think it was okay for the IRA to murder English civilians?

Anyone who thinks it's okay to kill innocent English people because of the big bad conspiracy of the Royal Family is asking for a severe beating.

Do you fund Israeli organ thieves? Maybe I should bomb your family?

Yes the IRA did kill English civilians but I have a sneaking suspicion the English civilian’s you speak of are actually the unionist community....which in that case I think you mean British civilians......*SHOCK*HORROR* The unionist community actually refer to themselves as Northern Irish....you didn’t know that did ya? Of course your going to deny it....but between me and you, friend to friend, your ignorance’s was caught out wasn’t it?......and again your understanding of the trouble as a war against some conspiracy by the royal family is a joke.....Seriously why chose’s to talk when you really don’t have a clue? The internet is like a giant book with a wealth of information on it, you can get the Irish views on it, you can get the British view on it, please at least if your going to give the British view on it at least know it or better still how about read as many views on it as possible and come up with your own view instead of uneducated tripe.


its because americans have this distorted romantacised view of the whole situation.

Oh your back geezer? You got a couple of people to back you up so your back? Yes that’s right Americans have the distorted romanticised view of the whole situation....How are right are you*clap clap*.......I seem to remember me asking you to state your views on it yesterday but as of yet you have yet to 2 be able to state your position?.....really convenient that you can slate someone else’s views while completely ignoring my post....Again I ask you to go back and answer my questions....by the way i’m still laughing that you have took it upon yourself to comment on Ireland yet you did’nt know about a indepment movement going on my the protestants as you put it....

Again this is convenient.....you see if you ignore posts like tex dallas below it then allows you to shout accusations to cover up the fact that you’s know sweet fa about the situation...

Texdallas post’s

OK I can't go along with your logic cause I don't blame the British people for their nation murdering countless millions the world over. Nor do I wish them any harm at all.

If it helps you any I'm 100% sure the loyalists in NI were only defending their community too and fair play to them for it.

I think geezer this man’s views on the sititution is a level of understanding you will ever be capable of understanding

Saying texdallas is a distorted romantacised view on the whole situation is really convenient for you....it allows you to comment, you can disguard what he really said, generalize him as a American and put the whole deluded American argument forward...By your logic there is 308,218,232 people in America and to you there all the same.Your out of your depth man.Go hang out on a teletubbies forum.

I reckon the Empire was a good thing. The world has always had empires. I happen to think ours was the best. Englishmen are better men and were born to rule. Don't believe me? Well considering how many peoples have conquored Britain over the years when was the last time you heard an Englishman crying about it. Never thats when because Englishmen are greatful for all the things the Romans, Vikings and French gave us. All you do is cry about potatoes and worship the pope like he ever did shit for you.

Thank you for your comment’s...a simple No I really can’t see no one but myself on this planet but us English would have done......”All you do is cry about potatoes and worship the pope” Is the best argument you can put forward? This say all I every really need to know about you....a comment like that just show’s who you really are....Are you proud of yourself?? Do you know who you are? Do you like what you see when you look in the mirror? Next time you do look in the mirror say to yourself “It is people like me who is the main problem in the world” I wouldn’t even lower myself to your level....a 5 yr old wouldn’t say it.....Again you are all the proof I will ever need that there is no awaking on the way. Well at least i won’t be getting myself involved in any 2012 threads..thank you.

Ireland belongs to the Pope. You wouldn't know what to do with real freedom. And I'm not ignorant. I've got a Sinead O'Connor record.

Real freedom??? When did you hear me mention freedom?...What did you even hear me say I support the IRA cause? You have completely boxed me off with generalizations....you really have exposed your self and I don’t like what I see, I don’t believe in Real freedom because of the fact that there is people like you on the earth....Humanity is not spiritually aware enough to be free to do what they please, I believe there has to be some sort of laws....I just believe these laws should be fair....it obvious someone one like you could never live in love in compassion so ask yourself where would the right to choose to do what we please get us?

You have a Sinead o Conner recorded? Oh good that’s it all sorted then, you come out with statement about potatoes but since you bought sinned o Conner’s record this proves you are not ignorant....Was that a joke because it’s really not funny!! If you really think like that I am sorry for you...

As for the pope...I am NON RELIGIOUS but yet I pray for deliverances’ from the ignorance’s that sum people show on this forum...I really do feel sorry for some.

[kitler]

No Kitler your as dumb as they come not to mention racist. Thanks for putting it in black and white for all to see.

If its dumb and racist to be greatful for all my country's prior invaders for helping make my nation great then yes I'm dumb and racist.

If its dumb and racist to think that the Irish should shake off thier victim mentality and grow the fuck up then yes I'm dumb and racist.

If its dumb and racist the say that the Irish should be free from English rule, Scottish Protestantism, Papal control and all the other bullshit thier victim mentality enslaves them to then yes I am dumb and racist.

You feel free to imprison yourself in oldthink though, if it makes you feel clever.

[texdallas]

If its dumb and racist to be greatful for all my country's prior invaders for helping make my nation great then yes I'm dumb and racist.

If its dumb and racist to think that the Irish should shake off thier victim mentality and grow the fuck up then yes I'm dumb and racist.

If its dumb and racist the say that the Irish should be free from English rule, Scottish Protestantism, Papal control and all the other bullshit thier victim mentality enslaves them to then yes I am dumb and racist.

You feel free to imprison yourself in oldthink though, if it makes you feel clever.


Like I said before as fucking dumb as they come.

[kitler]

Thank you for your comment’s...a simple No I really can’t see no one but myself on this planet but us English would have done......”All you do is cry about potatoes and worship the pope” Is the best argument you can put forward? This say all I every really need to know about you....a comment like that just show’s who you really are....Are you proud of yourself?? Do you know who you are? Do you like what you see when you look in the mirror? Next time you do look in the mirror say to yourself “It is people like me who is the main problem in the world” I wouldn’t even lower myself to your level....a 5 yr old wouldn’t say it.....Again you are all the proof I will ever need that there is no awaking on the way. Well at least i won’t be getting myself involved in any 2012 threads..thank you.



Real freedom??? When did you hear me mention freedom?...What did you even hear me say I support the IRA cause? You have completely boxed me off with generalizations....you really have exposed your self and I don’t like what I see, I don’t believe in Real freedom because of the fact that there is people like you on the earth....Humanity is not spiritually aware enough to be free to do what they please, I believe there has to be some sort of laws....I just believe these laws should be fair....it obvious someone one like you could never live in love in compassion so ask yourself where would the right to choose to do what we please get us?

You have a Sinead o Conner recorded? Oh good that’s it all sorted then, you come out with statement about potatoes but since you bought sinned o Conner’s record this proves you are not ignorant....Was that a joke because it’s really not funny!! If you really think like that I am sorry for you...

As for the pope...I am NON RELIGIOUS but yet I pray for deliverances’ from the ignorance’s that sum people show on this forum...I really do feel sorry for some.

Its funny how the ones who know the least type the most.

Fucking Bloody Sunday. What was it, 14, 15 people died after several hours of baiting armed troops. Boo fucking hoo. You've been using it as an excuse to torture butcher and maim your way to hell ever since.

Consider yourself lucky we English are a tollerant bunch. If you were a French collony like Algeria you would have had a Bloody Sunday every day till you learned to behave.

[convulsions for breakfast]

Its funny how the ones who know the least type the most. Easy way not to answer any of my questions....your fucking obvious

She is so dumb she does'nt even know why she she is racist....kitler why have you been called a racist???

[kitler]

Like I said before as fucking dumb as they come.

Great debatings tex. Would you care to elaborate as to what exactly is dumb and racist about my views? I thought you wanted a free Ireland. What is racist about me agreeing with you? Do you even read what I type or are you just another leftwing know it all who substitutes argument with acusations of racism? Its your brain that is imprisoned not mine.

[texdallas]

Its funny how the ones who know the least type the most.

Fucking Bloody Sunday. What was it, 14, 15 people died after several hours of baiting armed troops. Boo fucking hoo. You've been using it as an excuse to torture butcher and maim your way to hell ever since.

Consider yourself lucky we English are a tollerant bunch. If you were a French collony like Algeria you would have had a Bloody Sunday every day till you learned to behave.

27 civilians during a civil rights march on Bloody Sunday. Tolerant?!! 29 million dead in India during the early 19th century while the Brits attempted to figure out how little food a man can live on. Wanna have a go at convulsion when he's the one person posting here who fully understands what he's talking about. There's no substitute for experience. But your clearly only on the troll now cause it cannot be possible for one person to be so ignorant and arrogant. I will bet my life on it that you have a shit relationship with your family.

[kitler]

. Easy way not to answer any of my questions....your fucking obvious

She is so dumb she does'nt even know why she she is racist....kitler why have you been called a racist???

I don't know. Maybe because you don't know the difference between racism and imperialism. Maybe because you are to lazy to read my posts.

To reiterate KITLER SUPPORTS A FREE IRELAND. KITLER SUPPORTS A FREE IRELAND. KITLER SUPPORTS A FREE FUCKING IRELAND.

I just also love my own country and its history and don't feel the need to devote my life to crying about past injustices. An obvious racist clearly :rolleyes:

[texdallas]

Liam Adams, who is wanted in Northern Ireland to face charges of child sex abuse of his daughter Áine Tyrell, is not yet prepared to surrender himself to police according to his solicitor.

His legal representative, Philip Breen, of Breen Rankin Lenzi Solicitors, said his client would not be crossing the Border where he is liable to immediate arrest.

Gardai have no powers to detain him until the European arrest warrant is issued by the PSNI.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/1224/breaking2.htm

[texdallas]

I don't know. Maybe because you don't know the difference between racism and imperialism. Maybe because you are to lazy to read my posts.

To reiterate KITLER SUPPORTS A FREE IRELAND. KITLER SUPPORTS A FREE IRELAND. KITLER SUPPORTS A FREE FUCKING IRELAND.

I just also love my own country and its history and don't feel the need to devote my life to crying about past injustices. An obvious racist clearly :rolleyes:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[edelweiss pirate]

I agree.

Me too. Kelly's bang right about that.


Gerry Adams (13 Illuminati bloodlines remember)...

Clearly he was groomed and the sex abuse being part of the mind control trauma, into becoming the fermenter of discord and terrorist chief. Does he even know who his true masters are and how he has been used in a divide and conquer strategy which perpetuates conflict and missery for Catholics and Protestants alike..

There are no sides in the whole tale of honk, it was revealed a few years ago that MI6 agents held prominent positions in the IRA and would order terrorist attacks to maintain their cover.

What a load of bollocks it all is.

[seanx]

kitler wrote:
Its funny how the ones who know the least type the most.

Fucking Bloody Sunday. What was it, 14, 15 people died after several hours of baiting armed troops. Boo fucking hoo. You've been using it as an excuse to torture butcher and maim your way to hell ever since.

Consider yourself lucky we English are a tollerant bunch. If you were a French collony like Algeria you would have had a Bloody Sunday every day till you learned to behave.

Have to laugh at that!

Yes, we were so lucky!

Your armies, under Cromwell wriped out just 25% of the population.

That's all!

Men, women and children -just killed and butchured.

And we think today's war criminals are bad!

When your tolerant British Establishment ( notice I did not say
British people - they were treated like animals the same as the irish)
ruled Ireland they turned a failure in the potato crop into a
mass annilhilation of a nation.

For example, when the 'famine' was at it's peak, have a guess
what was feeding your British army in India.

An abundance of wheat and gains iexported under armed British
guard from IRELAND!

That just caused a 1 million slow horrible deaths.

So you are right!

How lucky we were to be ruled by your British Establishment -
and not the French!

As for your history - you should be ashamed of it.

Your history is not the history of the British people - but of the
Elite using the British Empire as a front for the progression of
their goals and aims.

it is a sick history -not just for the world - but for the majority
of ordinary british people who were as much victims of the British
Establshment as all the other countries.

Want to know where THE ONLY help came from to help the starving
Irish. From tiny collections and donations from the poorest of the
poor from all the british working class cities and towns - when
news of the famine became known.

[texdallas]

True, and because he finances Israeli murder and theft of children's organs, he is logically calling for terrorist attacks on his own family.


What in the name of fuck is that ment to mean bar ofcouse your paranoid mind on overdrive.

OK so lets clear this up shall we I'm from Ireland and live in the mid west. Studied in Cardiff where I spent a good many years. Got married 3 years ago and have one dughter.

The fact some people here jumped to the conculsion I was American sould only serve as a reminder that you know fuck all about me but are still happy to make assumptions based on fantasy like most of the shite you've posted on a subject you clearly know fuck all about.

In fact this thread has gone so far off topic it needs shut or tossed into the rant room

[clachan]

So what your saying to me is your understanding of the trouble’s is....Checkpoints played a big part in a war that went on over 30 years?? Yes they played a small part but I think you should educate yourself of the long long list of injustices’ before you start to talk....Do me a favour go and Google internment or the shooting of children with plastic bullet’s before you choose to open your mouth...That’s only the start....



I Believe??? You Believe? Please do tell me how you lead yourself to believe this? Evidence’s of how you came to this conclusions? Where did you get your information from? Please go and Google collusions before you speak...

After your little googling day off fun please come back and then maybe we can talk......But please please make sure you know what your on about.I know the net is'nt the best sorce ever, but it def should add to your understanding...



Yes the IRA did kill English civilians but I have a sneaking suspicion the English civilian’s you speak of are actually the unionist community....which in that case I think you mean British civilians......*SHOCK*HORROR* The unionist community actually refer to themselves as Northern Irish....you didn’t know that did ya? Of course your going to deny it....but between me and you, friend to friend, your ignorance’s was caught out wasn’t it?......and again your understanding of the trouble as a war against some conspiracy by the royal family is a joke.....Seriously why chose’s to talk when you really don’t have a clue? The internet is like a giant book with a wealth of information on it, you can get the Irish views on it, you can get the British view on it, please at least if your going to give the British view on it at least know it or better still how about read as many views on it as possible and come up with your own view instead of uneducated tripe.




Oh your back geezer? You got a couple of people to back you up so your back? Yes that’s right Americans have the distorted romanticised view of the whole situation....How are right are you*clap clap*.......I seem to remember me asking you to state your views on it yesterday but as of yet you have yet to 2 be able to state your position?.....really convenient that you can slate someone else’s views while completely ignoring my post....Again I ask you to go back and answer my questions....by the way i’m still laughing that you have took it upon yourself to comment on Ireland yet you did’nt know about a indepment movement going on my the protestants as you put it....

Again this is convenient.....you see if you ignore posts like tex dallas below it then allows you to shout accusations to cover up the fact that you’s know sweet fa about the situation...







I think geezer this man’s views on the sititution is a level of understanding you will ever be capable of understanding

Saying texdallas is a distorted romantacised view on the whole situation is really convenient for you....it allows you to comment, you can disguard what he really said, generalize him as a American and put the whole deluded American argument forward...By your logic there is 308,218,232 people in America and to you there all the same.Your out of your depth man.Go hang out on a teletubbies forum.



Thank you for your comment’s...a simple No I really can’t see no one but myself on this planet but us English would have done......”All you do is cry about potatoes and worship the pope” Is the best argument you can put forward? This say all I every really need to know about you....a comment like that just show’s who you really are....Are you proud of yourself?? Do you know who you are? Do you like what you see when you look in the mirror? Next time you do look in the mirror say to yourself “It is people like me who is the main problem in the world” I wouldn’t even lower myself to your level....a 5 yr old wouldn’t say it.....Again you are all the proof I will ever need that there is no awaking on the way. Well at least i won’t be getting myself involved in any 2012 threads..thank you.



Real freedom??? When did you hear me mention freedom?...What did you even hear me say I support the IRA cause? You have completely boxed me off with generalizations....you really have exposed your self and I don’t like what I see, I don’t believe in Real freedom because of the fact that there is people like you on the earth....Humanity is not spiritually aware enough to be free to do what they please, I believe there has to be some sort of laws....I just believe these laws should be fair....it obvious someone one like you could never live in love in compassion so ask yourself where would the right to choose to do what we please get us?

You have a Sinead o Conner recorded? Oh good that’s it all sorted then, you come out with statement about potatoes but since you bought sinned o Conner’s record this proves you are not ignorant....Was that a joke because it’s really not funny!! If you really think like that I am sorry for you...

As for the pope...I am NON RELIGIOUS but yet I pray for deliverances’ from the ignorance’s that sum people show on this forum...I really do feel sorry for some.

Dont need google mate,dont need you telling me what i saw and what i heard from people who were part of the war
You,re just a barstool republican,however i do hope your community can find a way to live in peace and i also hope that some of bad history between our 2 countries can be buried forever.
I also lived near Ennis,Co Clare for five years and whilst most people were good to me there was a minoruty that were idiots.
Yes,I was subject to racism on occasions and was once refered to as a an "english cunt".......racism plays a big part in your troubles mate.

[soleil]

How the sins of the father came back to haunt Adams

Gerry Adams has disclosed that his father was a thug and a paedophile. It is an extraordinary revelation that will now feature in every history written of the IRA.

Gerry wants us to hear him as an individual speaking for a family, but it is inevitable that the character of Gerry Adams senior and his effect on his son will be examined for their historic relevance.

The question is: what formative influence, if any, did abuse and child rape play in the creation of the Provisional IRA?

Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/how-the-sins-of-the-father-came-back-to-haunt-adams-14607445.html#ixzz0adeyepRo

[geezer661]

tlkin of the IRA they seemed strangely quiet when the irish gave up their currency and when they voted for the lisbon treaty. I guess they dont mind bein run from abroad when they are living off the ruler.

[seanx]

geezer661 wrote;

tlkin of the IRA they seemed strangely quiet when the irish gave up their currency and when they voted for the lisbon treaty. I guess they dont mind bein run from abroad when they are living off the ruler.

And you British, what did you guys do??

Gave in and signed the Lisbon Treaty without a whimper!

My neighbour's pet Budgie put up more resistance.

[d9d9d9]

geezer661 wrote;



And you British, what did you guys do??

Gave in and signed the Lisbon Treaty without a whimper!

My neighbour's pet Budgie put up more resistance.


LoL!

[muddyleopard]

why the exclamation mark in this thread title? it's not as if we are going to leap for joy when more child abuse is exposed. this schadenfreude and mob-mentality that gloats at others' crimes has no place here. when the new world order falls i can guess who will be lining up at the stocks. let's get real, people.

[d9d9d9]

why the exclamation mark in this thread title? it's not as if we are going to leap for joy when more child abuse is exposed. this schadenfreude and mob-mentality that gloats at others' crimes has no place here. when the new world order falls i can guess who will be lining up at the stocks. let's get real, people.

Great post.

[rashhead]

Guys don't get personal in your views, especially at Christmas (ok with idiots) :mad:

The troubles in Ireland over the last few decades is truely fooked up and people need to learn to live in harmony by acting against what is not in our collective interests (preferrably dropping religion along the way) and I hope this truely comes in Ireland and all other places

Convulsions, you make some good points my friend but you need to stop jumping on some people (ok with the idiots), I know you lived the nightmare but understanding the bigger picture is the way to avoiding this and other similar problems in future

I'm not saying you don't understand the bigger picture and that I or anyone else does, but the discussions on this thread are mainly levelled at Adams 'grade', which I doubt was where the problem was created or will be solved

I don't buy it for a minute that Sinn Fein (and / or the Nationalists) made a deal for peace, they were forced into it and had no other option as someone somewhere had decided enough was enough, for whatever reason

I think the deal was done before Adams and McGuiness went to the US for St Patrick's day a good few years ago and were as welcome as a fart in a lift with the US leaders (after the bank robbery or some other paramilitary faux pas) and Blair was the puppet to then take credit for resolving this with them

Give Sinn Fein their due they did work hard at putting a political mask on to cover up the paramilitary faces, but they wanted it both ways (legitimate political representation and the underhand stuff which is still going on but will phase out eventually - on both sides). The Nationalist didn't have this forethought. This is bye the bye, as I say they never started or ended the sorry state of affairs just helped prolongue it

This shouldn't have taken 30years or so to happen and who has benefited from it???
- Not the Irish people
- Not the paramilitaries (30years gap coincidentally during the troubles not good on your CV, plus a few stints in Long Kesh)
- Not the UK soldiers
- Adams / Paisley and the like have done alright
- Arms manufacturers have done very well
- Blair I believe is lined up for a place in The Carlyle Group (arms dealer)

Read a few fictional books on my holiday this year, one being about Ireland / SAS (will find the name) and the other The Afghan by Frederick Forsyth. Granted they are fiction but opened my eyes a bit more to what is probably happening, after all these authors don't just wriite 5hit for the sake of it. Yes a few writers may be playing the game but I guess most are true to their beliefs (a bit like artists - coming from an engineer who needs proof of everything)

As I said, I'm a Scottish right-footer who used to be hard-line then ended up watching the 'enemy' with his mates:-
- Drop religion and this is one less fight
- Drop sectarianism and this is another less fight
- The only fights left will be with morons, drunks, the wife, the kids and the retards in power who want to make us fight :p

Have a peaceful Christmas and prosperous New Year everyone ;)

Anymore bitching, I will get Liam to give you a visit :eek:

[convulsions for breakfast]

To reiterate KITLER SUPPORTS A FREE IRELAND. KITLER SUPPORTS A FREE IRELAND. KITLER SUPPORTS A FREE FUCKING IRELAND.

Oh good your on your side now...we will leave you alone? That’s us against them mentality....You just don’t get it do you kitler? There is no side’s to this...the idea of a free Ireland is republican propaganda....NO COUNTRY IS FREE....The free state in truth doesn’t give a shit about the north...The British govt see the north as nothing but trouble...I stated that Ireland belongs to the Irish....In theory it can belong to no one else....but partion’s is a monster that has been created and can not be ignored...I know people who would kick the shit out of me for saying this......but we have to make the best of what we got....Under the Good Friday agreement I know how the right to call myself Irish, Discrimination is down and one day will hopefully vanish, the British army don’t control the street’s anymore etc....It by no way a perfect place to live but where is...There is some serious brainwashing going on in the republican side with regard’s to a united Ireland. You seem to have labelled me as someone who as taking this all this brainwashing in no matter what I have said in my post’s....you seen me defend the IRA action’s as political and straight away you knew exactly who I was....

Dont need google mate,dont need you telling me what i saw and what i heard from people who were part of the war
You,re just a barstool republican,however i do hope your community can find a way to live in peace and i also hope that some of bad history between our 2 countries can be buried forever.
I also lived near Ennis,Co Clare for five years and whilst most people were good to me there was a minoruty that were idiots.
Yes,I was subject to racism on occasions and was once refered to as a an "english cunt".......racism plays a big part in your troubles mate.

Barstool republican?? Please refer to the answer to kitler...does that sound like a barstool republician to you?...you want me to be a barstool republican more like it....The idea that a united Ireland isn’t really visible and is mainly republican propaganda is’nt one held with high regards in the republican community...you’s people only read what you’s want to read. Thruoghtout my post's i have said many things that would go against republician propaganda.

So what ever you seen and heard was the be end and end all of everything that happened over here.......you seen everything and everything you were told was seen with neutral eyes...and told you with no unbiased in it at all....I seen and heard a lot too my friend it doesn’t mean I don’t need to take in more information....
I fact that you said most people where good to you while in Ireland show’s clearly to me that Ireland is not a overly racist country......sure there is a minority but that happens In every country...Your a former British solider for Christ sake it is nothing short of arrogance to believe you would have been accepted with open arms....hurt from our “bad history” runs deep in a lot of people....It is not just Ireland where the English experience’s racism....From my experience’s and again this is only my experience but I had two episodes to lead me to believe the English haven’t got a good reputation aboard....I lived in Sweden and was nearly stabbed because a group of tugs thought I was English and when on holiday on Spain I was asked a lot...was in English?...and when I replied no...The local’s went on to say oh good there nothing but trouble etc... these are just of couple of wee thing's that happened me and are no way concrete proof of the anything but tell me Would you claim the English have a good rep in aboard?...please don’t take this as anti English statements I have never had any problem with the English. My point being this racism can happen anywhere...I have got it myself for being Irish but I Don’t look on the country as racist....As you said it’s a small minority. I have done a previous post stating the main part of the trouble’s over here is sectarianism, I think that is the main problem.....racism and sectarianism are closely linked so I see what your getting at...Also it’s hard to forget bad history when your govt are up the same tricks in Iraq/Afghanistan


Rash head I have no problems with your comments.....I pretty much sent you a message which agrees with a lot of what you are saying....

You know what...I agree with your angle with the young lads being sent to do things will the leaders sat on their hole....It’s like the line in the system of a down song “why don’t presidents fight da war” The whole situation is a joke man, It’s time for the too community’s to take a step back and look at the bigger picture....who is the enemy?

The two communities are in ruins and we are alike in so many ways....The only difference is man made religion, politics is then born out off this small difference, There is so many organisations keeping us in the pass and feeding hate (the orange order being the main one) actually come to think of it Michael Tsarion does some good vids on you tube about the secret societies of Ireland, If what he says is true it really does explain a lot...

It is time to come out of the dark ages and think to ourselves who really benefits from this mess, who ever it is, is fuelling the flames of sectarianism and keeping us at each other’s throat’s so we can’t see the bigger picture....were blinded so we can’t see who the real enemy is....This place has well and truly been divided and conquered....I just hope we can step out of it, The evolution of conscious is well and truly need over here..Oh and in Scotland 2 hahaha lol

That above is me touching on the bigger picture, none of us know the bigger picture, the problem with knowing the bigger picture is it is touching on a lot of conspiracy stuff...and I’m trying to talk sense’s and leave it out because i really don’t know if it is the shapeshiffting pope and queen behind it.....or is Gerry Adams a mind controlled puppet etc you get my drift...no one knows what is going on behind the scene’s.....Anyone want to enlightens me with some evidence’s please go ahead....I’ve seen a hell of a lot of stuff on it but i only entertain the idea’s.......i’m def suspicious about the whole thing but I’m not going to be sitting here shouting it’s all the illuminiti’s fault......anyone like to guide me towards some good info???

My only problem is you expect me act different because it is Christmas and make it clear you are a right footer twice yet you tell me we need to drop religion grrrrr you drop it....hahaha Anger is a gift my friend....I’m only keeping ya going...happy Christmas.

[convulsions for breakfast]

why the exclamation mark in this thread title? it's not as if we are going to leap for joy when more child abuse is exposed. this schadenfreude and mob-mentality that gloats at others' crimes has no place here. when the new world order falls i can guess who will be lining up at the stocks. let's get real, people.

Great post.... no you see a lot of people on here are jumping for joy.... it seem's obvious to me people on here really want this to be some sort of espiode so they can connect the dot's.......something that confirm's there way of thinking.......another small piece of the jig saw to fit the massive puzzle all toghether....fuck everything else, us computer dective's have it all firgued....not many people on here has thought fuck this is really sad and sicking......it was more oh i just knew it.....I bet it goes to the top of the IRA etc

When i suggested the family was suffering all hell broke lose...

I would'nt wish that shit on my worst enemy...Such spiritual being’s we are on this forum...It obvious Ickes has went over most people’s head.....If you drop the spiritual parts of his stuff all your left with is the fear of the NWO etc doing more harm than good. Fighting the Nwo with the same mentality as them is bollocks...what is that ever going to change.

[geezer661]

geezer661 wrote;



And you British, what did you guys do??

Gave in and signed the Lisbon Treaty without a whimper!

My neighbour's pet Budgie put up more resistance.

yes but the diff is we put more in than we take out. You tke more than u put in. Alot more! Irelands just the smallest outpost in the european empire. Thts why the IRA have done fuk all. Just shows how thick the irish are.

You fought the british but are still willing to take our european cash how fucking hypocritical

But then again the irish did build the titanic oh yeah it fuckin sunk on the first voyage LOL

[clachan]

yes but the diff is we put more in than we take out. You tke more than u put in. Alot more! Irelands just the smallest outpost in the european empire. Thts why the IRA have done fuk all. Just shows how thick the irish are.

You fought the british but are still willing to take our european cash how fucking hypocritical

But then again the irish did build the titanic oh yeah it fuckin sunk on the first voyage LOL

The Titanic didn,t sink....thats just the official story.
It "accidently"sailed into an interdimentional portal and is now in a parallel universe.:D

[mind1universe]

yea ask the vast majourity of the people tht make up northern ireland (protestants) and see wht they say

but hey this view doesn't go with wht icke says which is why u dont go with it. Your just an icke sheep. Yve left one herd for another

i bet yr american and u have the gaul to lecture me about an evil empire

He who calling sheep?


Hypocritical.

The percentage of northern Irish protestants is only just over half the poplulation, not the vast majority. Get your facts straights before you try correct somebody else. And don't try insult someone when you've just insulted your own intellegence. It Makes you look not only stupid, but pathetic.

And you should read your spelling.

I'm shocked at these insults while been completely hypothetical in telling othes to stop insulting....

[geezer661]

He who calling sheep?


Hypocritical.

The percentage of northern Irish protestants is only just over half the poplulation, not the vast majority. Get your facts straights before you try correct somebody else. And don't try insult someone when you've just insulted your own intellegence. It Makes you look not only stupid, but pathetic.

And you should read your spelling.

I'm shocked at these insults while been completely hypothetical in telling othes to stop insulting....

stop usin the cia book of facts LOL

[geezer661]

The Titanic didn,t sink....thats just the official story.
It "accidently"sailed into an interdimentional portal and is now in a parallel universe.:D

lol

[seanx]

geezer661 wrote:

yes but the diff is we put more in than we take out. You tke more than u put in. Alot more! Irelands just the smallest outpost in the european empire. Thts why the IRA have done fuk all. Just shows how thick the irish are.

You fought the british but are still willing to take our european cash how fucking hypocritical

But then again the irish did build the titanic oh yeah it fuckin sunk on the first voyage LOL

Like all biogots, you're 20 years behind the times!

Ireland NOW contributues 1 billion more EACH year than
it recieves.

Ireland is now a net contributor to the EU.

Check your figures, my friend -otherwise you just make a racist
fool of yourself.

Luckly I lived for 12 great years in Britain - so I know sad racist
bastards like yourself are in a tiny minority.

Go back to the gutter where you belong.

By the way the Titanic was built in Belfast by H&W, a company
at that time which ONLY employed loyal British Prodestant Unionists,-
your own ancestral kin!

There is nothing worse than an ignorant biogot!

Happy Christmas.

[mind1universe]

stop usin the cia book of facts LOL

I live in Ireland bro.... If it was serious, it was lame, if its a joke, you need to drop comedy.

[velma]

why the exclamation mark in this thread title? it's not as if we are going to leap for joy when more child abuse is exposed. this schadenfreude and mob-mentality that gloats at others' crimes has no place here. when the new world order falls i can guess who will be lining up at the stocks. let's get real, people.

Because an exclamation mark is the grammatical symbol for shock/horror... which is how I feel about paedos in positions of power. Stocks are too good for 'em. However, I didn't know this thread would turn into a sectarian spat.

[cstewart1987]

yea ask the vast majourity of the people tht make up northern ireland (protestants) and see wht they say

but hey this view doesn't go with wht icke says which is why u dont go with it. Your just an icke sheep. Yve left one herd for another

i bet yr american and u have the gaul to lecture me about an evil empire

So many eijits about here ey.

[convulsions for breakfast]

Geezer661....you have yet to answer my question’s........please show you’re knowledgeable on the subject before you speak otherwise you’re a troll....

Is that a picture of you on you avatar??? Because of it is, I really hope you see the irony of calling people sheep while you have a tattoo on your back??? Such a original idea to get Ink.

You really should be listing instead of running your mouth....I cringe when u speak...you are really cringe worthy...

This thread had got fucking stupid....first sinned o Conner, then potatoes and now the titanic....

I’m finished with it........

And as a result my opinion of the David Icke forum has went down hill....same as any other forum....I don’t mind anyone disagreeing with me, that’s the point of forum’s but see this trolling shit it’s a complete waste of time...

[lakkimakki]

cool , good to know that.:D

[mrs houdini]

"The first thing the Jewish pawn Oliver Cromwell did after capturing command of the newly formed English Republic in 1649 was to give his army, which had finally toppled a succession of befuddled kings, something to do. What Cromwell did then was to go to Ireland and butcher everyone in sight, thus starting a neverending war of Protestants and Catholics, conceived and executed by this maniacal puppet of the Jewish bankers in Holland.

As the Jews had slyly taken over England through bribery, they utterly mutilated Ireland in perpetuity, starting three centuries of “the troubles” between Protestant and “Papist” Irish that may well have been the first Jewish false flag terror attack.

Sure, the Irish have a legitimate reason to hate the stupid and cruel British, but it should be known that the Brits — like the French, Russians, Germans and Americans who were to follow the same poisoned path centuries later — were guided into this murderous colonial stupor by Jewish bankers who twisted the puppet strings of the gullible goyim into perpetual wars for profit."

John Kaminski

What a good piece of research hear hear, Velma.

Love and Peace, my Friend,
Linda

[mrs houdini]

Hi Friends,
I live and work in Glasgow and the division between Catholic and Prodestant's here is still going on. I am not religious but have been on the reciving end of bigitory from both side's I am a E/A Nurse and you would not believe the hassle we get at time's especialy after an old firm game. My surname is Irish but I am as Glasweegin as the river Clyde and people have refused to let me treat them because I am in thier eye's a dirty pape a tottie masher and various other name's just because of my name. I dont think we will ever get rid of this mentality in the West of Scotland.



Love and Peace my Friend's
Linda :(

[hertz]

I would love to see England get freedom, it surely deserves it after nearly two millennia of serfdom and servitude. The Welsh are next in line, they held out for as long as they could only to be swamped in the end. The Scots had it and could have kept it but threw it away.. That other island is debatable, a trump card.