Molecular dissociation at Ground Zero

[rogue penguin]

Please check out this seminar by Andrew johnson and make your own mind up.
I spoke to Andrew Personally last week, below is a copy of his message.
http://www.youtube.com/user/MrRoguepenguin#p/c/01278E048D044761 playlist for Andrew Johnson

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Yeah, I had to get chips at the BK talk I did - I had no time to get food having driven up from Derby - tends to be a problem at these events. I do like fish and chips though!!

I very much doubt Alex Jones would have myself or Dr Judy Wood on his programme. If I was invited, I would probably decline anyway. To understand why, have a look at this page if you wish.


http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=202&Itemid=60

The grey coloured paragraph is the main bit

This is included in my free e-book too (PDF download is free):

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There are many who are only giving you "a bit of truth" and then leading people off in the wrong direction in other matters. The give away is when they get angry and stark attacking people instead of discussing the actual evidence they are presenting.
Steve Jones and Molten Aluminium
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
On 07 Jun 2006 on the Alex Jones show, Dr Steven E Jones claimed that Molten Aluminium is Silvery at *ALL* temperatures in daylight conditions .

This claim is false. Why would an educated physicist repeatedly make such a false claim?

http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/aluminum/Aluminum_Glows.html


Message to Alex Jones, please try to get Andrew on your show to discuss these topics in a fair and balanced manner, (Not a Peter Joeseph witch hunt)
I think you will find many of the topics Andrew and Judy Wood bring to light do actually make a lot of sense, also backed up with plenty of scientific evidence.
Put the doubters to rest, by showing them you are not intentionally avoiding this issue please.

Rogue Penguin

[mynameis]

There are many who are only giving you "a bit of truth" and then leading people off in the wrong direction in other matters. The give away is when they get angry and stark attacking people instead of discussing the actual evidence they are presenting.

Steve Jones and Molten Aluminium
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOnkCYFGH9Y
On 07 Jun 2006 on the Alex Jones show, Dr Steven E Jones claimed that Molten Aluminium is Silvery at *ALL* temperatures in daylight conditions .

This claim is false. Why would an educated physicist repeatedly make such a false claim?

Woods is batshit insane. Do not check the evidence lest you check into a mental ward.

Hard Drive To Aluminum Melting Process pour into ingot
Hard Drive To Aluminum Melting Process pour into ingot - YouTube

Melting Aluminum Cans, Pouring into a Mold
Melting Aluminum Cans, Pouring into a Mold - YouTube

Melting scrap aluminum for ingots
Melting scrap aluminum for ingots - YouTube

[bryan]

Woods is batshit insane. Do not check the evidence lest you check into a mental ward.

Thanks for going to the trouble of putting together that reasoned argument.

[mynameis]

Thanks for going to the trouble of putting together that reasoned argument.

Not at all.

[rogue penguin]

[QUOTE=mynameis;1058490457]Woods is batshit insane. Do not check the evidence lest you check into a mental ward.

Regardless of whether you think Molten Aliminium is Silver or Yellow in appearance. Please bear in mind that silicone from the windows and other office furniture could be mixed in with it.

Yellow liquid poring out of the window does not mean 100 pct that it is Thermite/Thermate.

For a long time i have went along with the thermate crowd, but to be honest untill someone can demonstrate to me how this can be done, to simulate what actually happened on the day of collapse, i still have plenty of questions.

Think about this, if the 2 towers were actually imploded by thermate, why do we not see 1 orange glow as the towers collapse. All we see is everything turning to dust.
And all we have to go on for evidence of molten metal is a picture of a digger, and a few eye witness testimonies. Where is the fucking video footage of all this molten metal pouring down the rails??

To be honest i don't think anyone actually watches the Judy wood info all the way through, they just violently oppose it from the get go.

I'm no genuis, but i'm statring to smell rats everywhere as to what the real truth of that day was.

[mynameis]

Woods is batshit insane. Do not check the evidence lest you check into a mental ward.

Regardless of whether you think Molten Aliminium is Silver or Yellow in appearance. Please bear in mind that silicone from the windows and other office furniture could be mixed in with it.

Yellow liquid poring out of the window does not mean 100 pct that it is Thermite/Thermate.

For a long time i have went along with the thermate crowd, but to be honest untill someone can demonstrate to me how this can be done, to simulate what actually happened on the day of collapse, i still have plenty of questions.

Think about this, if the 2 towers were actually imploded by thermate, why do we not see 1 orange glow as the towers collapse. All we see is everything turning to dust.
And all we have to go on for evidence of molten metal is a picture of a digger, and a few eye witness testimonies. Where is the fucking video footage of all this molten metal pouring down the rails??

To be honest i don't think anyone actually watches the Judy wood info all the way through, they just violently oppose it from the get go.

I'm no genuis, but i'm statring to smell rats everywhere as to what the real truth of that day was.

You must be late to the party.

Molten Iron flowing like water from the towers
Molten Iron flowing like water from the towers - YouTube

9/11: Molten Metal at Ground Zero
9/11: Molten Metal at Ground Zero - YouTube

Molten Metals under WTC 6 weeks after 9/11
Molten Metals under WTC 6 weeks after 9/11 - YouTube

History Channel Molten Metal At Ground Zero
History Channel Molten Metal At Ground Zero - YouTube

WTC meteorite
WTC meteorite - YouTube

[rogue penguin]

You must be late to the party.

Molten Iron flowing like water from the towers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-Cn5cqgh-g

9/11: Molten Metal at Ground Zero
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCdRA09pztM

Molten Metals under WTC 6 weeks after 9/11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmMLDG87Sak

History Channel Molten Metal At Ground Zero
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ogrupgt4mI

WTC meteorite
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbkl81qwEMA

No dude i'm not late to the party, this is the same shit we have all been fed for the last 4 years, and still we have no answers, just more questions.
You are just parroting old information, when new evidence comes on the scene you have to adapt your way of thinking.
Go try actually watching the Andrew Johnston lectures please.

[mynameis]

No dude i'm not late to the party, this is the same shit we have all been fed for the last 4 years, and still we have no answers, just more questions.
You are just parroting old information, when new evidence comes on the scene you have to adapt your way of thinking.
Go try actually watching the Andrew Johnston lectures please.

Show me a clear video experiment of molecular disassociation with concrete and steel. It's put up or shut up time. BTW I've already read the BS it seems Andrew Johnston is peddling. It's all manipulated by PT Barnum imaginary plane huggers.

[rogue penguin]

Show me a clear video experiment of molecular disassociation with concrete and steel. It's put up or shut up time. BTW I've already read the BS it seems Andrew Johnston is peddling. It's all manipulated by PT Barnum imaginary plane huggers.

Try to go into defensive mode more quickly please lol.
I'm sorry this information is outside of your reality tunnel, but then again i'm not really.

[mynameis]

Try to go into defensive mode more quickly please lol.
I'm sorry this information is outside of your reality tunnel, but then again i'm not really.

No evidence of any experiment showing steel or concrete disintegration on video then. K, thanks for proving your non-existent version of the reality tunnel.

[rogue penguin]

No evidence of any experiment showing steel or concrete disintegration on video then. K, thanks for proving your non-existent version of the reality tunnel.

I'm not here to prove anything, especially not to the closed minded.
If you think the thermate senario explains everything about 911 then you are sadly deluded, just like everyone else has been by the whole event.
The reason that people get upset about who is right and who is wrong, in my opinion is this.
Because what happened on that day being an event that none of us can logically explain, well not through our conventional view of the law of physics.
We have to find a best fit senario, for you, you are happy with the thermate explanation. Most people disgustingly settling for the NIST pancake theory. Me personally i see the whole event as a demonstration of pure evil genius, not even touched my the mainstream truthmovement, far less the mainstream media.
Do you think the people behind 911 are worried about thermate being implicated? They know that people will be scratching their heads over that saga for years to come. while they carry on with their world domination/globalisation agenda.

Welcome to the matrix, feel free to tell me how much of a nutjob i am, thank you very much.

[waitew]

The whole CD thing is nothing but a dam distraction. 911 was an inside job and we can prove it on a thousand different points all without bickering about molten aluminium's colour.

[rogue penguin]

Exactly Waite, that is my way of thinking too.
Too busy infighting about the small details who is right and who is wrong, etc completely missing the bigger picture, that we were all lied to on that day and were bent over forward and royaly buggered.

New evidence in this post for you to consider. Take it or leave it.
Now stop with the personal attacks and strawman implications and get to the hard task of getting a new proper independant investigation.

[heartysoup]

hey mynameis,

are you a british debunker? hahaha!

i think we, americans, invented 'internet debunking'... lol...

sure.... its nothing to be proud about... but... seeing the entire place crawling with british debunkers is pretty hilarious.

so.. i was wondering...
if you dont mind me asking...

im pretty sure american debunkers get free hotdogs and cheeseburgers..
free supersize... you know..

does that mean british debunkers get free marmite, pints at the 'windchester', and fish n chips?

mmm... sounds good...

you know what i found to be weird about england? i ask for a breakfast plate.... and it doesnt mention anything about beans... but when i get the plate... the entire thing is doused in beans!

happened to me like four times in a row... i kept thinking "damn...i guess i didn't see the beans..." or "they must be called something else". hahhaha...

but no.... you guys just prefer to totally douse the entire plate in beans without even mentioning it. lol

and... figuratively speaking... you've been dousing your shitty beans all over this damn thread...

until you can learn to write a menu that says the plate will be doused in beans you have no business debunking anything.

come to New York and see what happens when you douse somebody's plate with beans.

:D

[motleyhoo]

No evidence of any experiment showing steel or concrete disintegration on video then. K, thanks for proving your non-existent version of the reality tunnel.

Do we really need any of this type of stuff to see that the buildings were taken down by controlled detonations? You would not see flames or orange fireballs because the type of explosives used to take building down are not applied that way. What we can say is that the buildings fell in the EXACT same way that controlled demolition buildings fall, and there is no evidence in the history of man of a building falling like that that was not a controlled demolition. There is also the thermite micro-particles that have in fact been found all over the site.

But just to make a point, anyone who knows how thermite works and has seen a thermite reaction in person, would know, without having to watch a video, that any kind of metal of modern building material could easily be turned to dust with thermite. That's what thermite does.

The pancake theory simply does not hold up, and jet fuel does not burn at temperatures high enough to create the puddles of molten slag (even if it was from common steel) that were seen all over the site after the buildings fell. And building 7 - there's no way some papers, chairs, and ceiling tiles on fire took a building like that down. But one thing we do know for sure - the guy who owned the insurance policy on that building is one very rich man now.

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[rogue penguin]

I have this subject posted on the Prison Planet forums also

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=152538.0

[heartysoup]

Do we really need any of this type of stuff to see that the buildings were taken down by controlled detonations?

so...

you say two gigantic skyscrapers were rigged with thermite?

hmmmmm....

the paint-thermite?.... does it come in different colors? like... did they have 'fun' with it? interior design style? sounds like something the 'Chelsea Boys' would be interested in doing.... the interior design scene is mainly gay in new york... they might be interested in working with thermite you would have to contact the designers personally. im not sure they do military contracts but you never know... this is Amerika.

but seriously...

thermite and all this controlled demolition shit is total nonsense lets try to move away from that and get back to the 21st century.

everybody learn about the Hutchison Effect and we'll do a review tomorrow. :-)

any ideas on the purpose of Hurricane Erin would be hugely appreciated. :-)

[rogue penguin]

Well like Hutchinson reports, when he sets up his experiment and bombards the material with various radio and microwave frequencies, he sometimes uses a tesla coil for whats refered to as a "field effect" i.e. positivly charged ions in the surrounding atmosphere in order to produce the anomalous effects

Please note that dry thuinder was reported in many places around NYC on 911
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Tesla coil / hurricane and field effects
http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/erin/

[motleyhoo]

No evidence of any experiment showing steel or concrete disintegration on video then. K, thanks for proving your non-existent version of the reality tunnel.

so...

you say two gigantic skyscrapers were rigged with thermite?

hmmmmm....

the paint-thermite?.... does it come in different colors? like... did they have 'fun' with it? interior design style? sounds like something the 'Chelsea Boys' would be interested in doing.... the interior design scene is mainly gay in new york... they might be interested in working with thermite you would have to contact the designers personally. im not sure they do military contracts but you never know... this is Amerika.

but seriously...

thermite and all this controlled demolition shit is total nonsense lets try to move away from that and get back to the 21st century.

everybody learn about the Hutchison Effect and we'll do a review tomorrow. :-)

any ideas on the purpose of Hurricane Erin would be hugely appreciated. :-)

You do not need thermite to bring a building down. Buildings are brought down everyday with a 200 year old technology called dynamite. I only brought up thermite because that is the common thread throughout this entire set of posts, and it is something that has been found to exist all over ground zero. Maybe birds flew over and dropped it there.

Personally, I have no idea what mechanism was used to bring the buildings down. The important thing is that they were all controlled demolitions and did not fall because of burning jet fuel.

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[mynameis]

But just to make a point, anyone who knows how thermite works and has seen a thermite reaction in person, would know, without having to watch a video, that any kind of metal of modern building material could easily be turned to dust with thermite. That's what thermite does.
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BS Artist Alert.

Playing with Thermite - YouTube

[waitew]

I've been giving the 'colour' of molten aluminium question a little more thought & I've come to the conclusion that photographs of molten aluminium (both those showing it silvery & those showing it glowing orange) are worthless because there is a variable that no one has taken into consideration.
The appearance of molten aluminium is dependent upon two things: 1. It's temperature (that's been mentioned) & 2. The ambient light.
The same molten aluminium that appears silver in daylight will glow orange in dimmer light even though the temperature is the same in both. So, yes molten aluminium is both silver & orange which is why each side can show photographs that support it's claim.
What we need to do is quantify the intensity of the ambient light ,only when we have done that will the color of molten aluminum mean something. The photograph of molten 'aluminium' pouring out of the hole in WTC 2 was taken in open shade on what was without question a cloudless day in NY. As any old school photographer who cut is teeth on the 'sunny 16' rule could tell you that equals f5.6 with the shutter speed set at the reciprical of the film speed or EV (exposure value) 12. So the question is,at what temperature does molten aluminium glow bright orange at EV 12? If that temperature is above the temperature produced by office fires then,Houston, we've got a problem. If that temperature is within range of typical office fires then there's nothing here that contradicts the official story. We need to do a test.

[heartysoup]

Well like Hutchinson reports, when he sets up his experiment and bombards the material with various radio and microwave frequencies, he sometimes uses a tesla coil for whats refered to as a "field effect" i.e. positivly charged ions in the surrounding atmosphere in order to produce the anomalous effects

Please note that dry thuinder was reported in many places around NYC on 911
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQAvLHSfuZQ

Tesla coil / hurricane and field effects
http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/erin/

nice one rogue.