A question to the members

[tinyint]

I actually asked myself, how come there are so many "Jesuit/Vatican did it" threads?
I really get the impression, that most people give in to that, are anglo-saxon people.
I just can state, that the Jesuits are not perceived as the troublemakers over here.
I don't want to discuss in this thread who did it, but the reasons for believing it is the vatican, more aiming at the social reasons behind.

I'd like to put up a rather provoking thesis:

The brainwashing in the eg US still works very well.
I get the impression, some anglo-saxon people here do net get it, that the main reason for evil things at the moment is being mainly rooted at Wall Street and London City.
So how come, so many pointing to the Vatican or 'evil' muslims, instead of fixing the rotten US (or their own country)? The world just waits for US to start cleaning the mess, since their troops hold all others in stranglehold and hence passive. The US need also to act as the good example they pretend to be to the world.

I find it sometimes really frightening to read posts, which contain almost hate and fear of the foreign, I feel sort of modern crusader mentality, indeed religiously motivated. But where have the very basic and good religious teachings gone then?

I don't want to generalize or assault anybody.
It is only out of curiosity and trying to understand the reasons behind.

[alrick888]

where are you from?

[eternal_spirit]

It's because the Vatican is in Europe = white people, so the anti white crew and the self hating whites, Catholic haters, Chritan/Jewish Zionists (protestansts or some whacko Christian sect/Evangelical or they hide what sect they are) (because of the biased Jewish owned media and education/history "lies" post this stuff.

PS the Crusades where in response to Islamic invasions. Which started in the 7/8th century, the Catholics and Europeans eventually stopped and kicked out the Muslims at the gates of Vienna around 1800. otherwise you'd be now living under Sharia and the black flag of Islam with it's "inverted pentagram" and eclipes of the sun with the moon symbol.

Doesn't that put a totally different perspective on things when you follow the real history. fact Islam has been trying to take white mans and others lands for 1400 years and have succeeded in many parts of the world.

1.5 billion Muslims or more (world population around 6 billion) proves this. Jump forward 50 years and the figure will be far higher.
Not popular opinion in certain circles but the truth often isn't popular.

[tinyint]

It's because the Vatican is in Europe = white people, so the anti white crew and the self hating whites, Catholic haters, Chritan/Jewish Zionists (protestansts or some whacko Christian sect/Evangelical or they hide what sect they are) (because of the biased Jewish owned media and education/history "lies" post this stuff.

PS the Crusades where in response to Islamic invasions. Which started in the 7/8th century, the Catholics and Europeans eventually stopped and kicked out the Muslims at the gates of Vienna around 1800. otherwise you'd be now living under Sharia and the black flag of Islam with it's "inverted pentagram" and eclipes of the sun with the moon symbol.



I find it very simplistic view of the world, in every sense.
That what I want to understand, how come such a narrow and one sided view?
You are not alone with this.
I recognize a strong fundamentalist view?!

[eternal_spirit]

I find it very simplistic view of the world, in every sense.
That what I want to understand, how come such a narrow and one sided view?
You are not alone with this.
What are you on about? the history I told you It's true,.
Are you German?

PS I have been here 3 years so my points I think are valid from what I read here.

[tinyint]

What are you on about? It's true,.
Are you German?

Yes.
I just want to understand the reasons for so many fundamentalist talk.
I mean, I live in a heavily brainwashed and controlled country, but how come there seem so many christian fundamentalists not being better than the catholics in the very dark european ages?
What frightens me is the massive hightech armament in those countries plundering and raping our planet.

Why is there a perception of evil vatican whilst being at wars?

Is it also the vatican running that?
I find it a rather strange perception of reality, blaming constantly others, whereas it is mainly those countries which need to be urgently fixed, and people retake power.

I just think those fundamentalist view do not any good for all, and finally play into the hands of the controllers.
It seems to me, nothing has learned from history?

Is it the media, education? What is it people falling for it?

[alrick888]

How to say this in a polite fashion?

oh....fuck it!

Just look at two things:

1. the background of most of the Nazi leadership: Catholic; and in the case of certainly our friend Herr Himmler Jesuit. The SS was even modeled on the Jesuit order. The symbols of the Jesuits are still very prominent in many German towns.

2. The attitude of the Vatican during the reign of Hitler.

That being said, I do think they do the condoning, not the instigating.

[tinyint]

How to say this in a polite fashion?

oh....fuck it!

Just look at two things:

1. the background of most of the Nazi leadership: Catholic; and in the case of certainly our friend Herr Himmler Jesuit. The SS was even modeled on the Jesuit order. The symbols of the Jesuits are still very prominent in many German towns.

2. The attitude of the Vatican during the reign of Hitler.

That being said, I do think they do the condoning, not the instigating.

I want to get to the social or society background, since somebody must be telling and spreading this? By zionist controlled media?
It'd be you conclusion then, that media are also finally controlled by the vatican??
World is not only consisting of book believers.
I just find it not objective in any sense, "we are good they are bad" summarizes for me.
And I did not want to discuss religion that way, rather I didn't expect the anglican church to be that powerful? Is it wrong to think that? Where is it root in such multicultural society? Because it is multicultural too much, like a stew of cultures?

[eternal_spirit]

Yes.
I just want to understand the reasons for so many fundamentalist talk.
I mean, I live in a heavily brainwashed and controlled country, but how come there seem so many christian fundamentalists not being better than the catholics in the very dark european ages?
What frightens me is the massive hightech armament in those countries plundering and raping our planet.

Why is there a perception of evil vatican whilst being at wars?

Is it also the vatican running that?
I find it a rather strange perception of reality, blaming constantly others, whereas it is mainly those countries which need to be urgently fixed, and people retake power.

I just think those fundamentalist view do not any good for all, and finally play into the hands of the controllers.
It seems to me, nothing has learned from history?

Is it the media, education? What is it people falling for it?
Okay my Great grandfather was German, but I am English and had family fighting on both sides of the war.

My beef is white people are scapegoated for far too much imo which ties in with the Nazi themes which are promoted on forums add infinitum much or which is lies imo to the point of ALL evil is blamed on Whites/Nazis and Vatican. (which is untrue and insane)

Even General Patton admitted they the Americans backed the wrong side and should have let Germany take on the Communists which Patton wanted to also destroy Communism after the war (which would have meant no Vietnam/Korea etc) and he could have liberated Europe from Communism.
For this Patton was assassinated by Zionist American Jews.

The reverse is scapegoating Jews.

I done a thread about tit for tat and history saying all groups/peoples have done wrong to each other at some time (plus what else we dont know before written history)
And we must forgive each-other of past sins or history will just repeat itself and eventually lead to another world war and the cycle of destruction will carry on.

Many people here realise this. But I still find myself arguing and having to tell the other side of a debate. Such as the history which lead to the current situations we see played out.

[tinyint]

Ah yes, now we come into talk :)

I agree with what you said about patton.
To me the whole jesuit thingy is just counter proaganda to zionist did it.
However, I also wonder why there so many prejudices exist toward muslims?
I understand quite well that it is not much comfortable having a minarett shouting 5 o'clock at the heart of europe.
But if I study my own coutries history, the many turks lured in after war were being used, and it was an agenda by german traitors and the allied western victors to get them in. They built up a lot of very fundamentalist structure and the base for today.

[eternal_spirit]

How to say this in a polite fashion?

oh....fuck it!

Just look at two things:

1. the background of most of the Nazi leadership: Catholic; and in the case of certainly our friend Herr Himmler Jesuit. The SS was even modeled on the Jesuit order. The symbols of the Jesuits are still very prominent in many German towns.

2. The attitude of the Vatican during the reign of Hitler.

That being said, I do think they do the condoning, not the instigating.
So what some where born Catholics. Have you read any of Hitler's quotes condemning Christianity? Some say Hitler and the SS where neo Pagans into the occult (not what you'd call devout Catholics lol :D)

How can the SS have been modelled on the Jesuits if the SS where Neo Pagans. Some Catholics where against the Nazis, many Germans where also Protestants.


Before the war - The Bolshevik communists murdered Millions of Catholics destroyed Churches killed thousands of Nuns/Priest. (Communism was the same enemy of Germany and Europe and Catholics/other Christian/Vatican, any wonder the Vatican may have sided with Germany (makes sense)

The Bolshevik/Jews also killed thousands of German nationalists before the war, those ethnic Germans who had been cut off from the rest of Germany when Germany's lands had been robbed from them due to the treaty of Versailles. *that was the real reason for the war*
Germany was defending itself from Communism. and retaliated and wanted to save the rest of the stranded ethnic Germans.

I can dig out some links which explains it better if you like?

[tinyint]

It's because the Vatican is in Europe = white people, so the anti white crew and the self hating whites, Catholic haters, Chritan/Jewish Zionists (protestansts or some whacko Christian sect/Evangelical or they hide what sect they are) (because of the biased Jewish owned media and education/history "lies" post this stuff.

PS the Crusades where in response to Islamic invasions. Which started in the 7/8th century, the Catholics and Europeans eventually stopped and kicked out the Muslims at the gates of Vienna around 1800. otherwise you'd be now living under Sharia and the black flag of Islam with it's "inverted pentagram" and eclipes of the sun with the moon symbol.

Doesn't that put a totally different perspective on things when you follow the real history. fact Islam has been trying to take white mans and others lands for 1400 years and have succeeded in many parts of the world.

1.5 billion Muslims or more (world population around 6 billion) proves this. Jump forward 50 years and the figure will be far higher.
Not popular opinion in certain circles but the truth often isn't popular.

I don't agree with that.
Yes, Islam expanded, and rome wanted to couter expansion.
At the end it has been and is still all about the holy city.
But that does not excuse any later development on behalf of the christians. I think you know, King Richard used to have a quite strong relationship with Saladin, and he was sent fruits and a doctor to him when he was sick.
You probably need also to consider the later British involvement into that region. In my opinion, they created a really big mess by drawing wild borders, just as everywhere. We still suffer from the consequences. There is a deep trauma in the muslim community, based on British betrayal and rule by sword.

The climate between the three book religions got poisoned,
since about 150 years, there have been time all the people used to live together and respected each other as human beings.
Why isn't that possible anymore? Don't tell me its the muslims conquering resources.

[tinyint]

Yes, I agree totally.
But why you blame the controlled "tools" then, in this case muslims?
You just need to follow the money trail to all those radicals.

[eternal_spirit]

Tinyint I'll try reply later

You live in Germany which is being Islamised, do you know the future predictions for the growth rate of the Muslim populations. Is it the Zionists who are again destroying Germany (some think they have a hand in policies relating to immigration and other EU laws)

They'd like nothing better than to dilute or destroy the ethnic Germanic race. During the war Dr Fredrick Banting wanted to destroy everyone with German Genes, it's documented in his written memoirs (same as the nation of Islam teach) Same plan from different Hebrew/Semites.

Zaghlul Al Najjar rejoices in the rise and spread of Islam across the globe. He writes in the Egyptian daily Al Ahram (Nov. 14, 2008), “Islam now is everywhere. Gorgeous mosques are built everywhere in the heart of Europe, in Rome and Cologne. The number of Muslims all over the world is also rising. More than 20 million Muslims live now in Europe. Alone in Germany there are 3.5. Demographers estimate that the majority of citizens in Germany will be Muslims in the year 2050. Two decades ago very few women wore the Hijab (headscarf). Now you can see them everywhere. Sooner or later, Islam will be in control of the whole world. This time, we don’t need to fight the infidel West with our troops as we did at the gates of Vienna. This time we’ll infiltrate the West and convert it to Islam, willy-nilly.”


http://sheikyermami.com/wp-content/uploads/tariq_ramadan.jpg (http://sheikyermami.com/wp-content/uploads/tariq_ramadan.jpg)
Tariq Ramadan visited the Islamic Center in Bilelefeld, Germany (May 21, 2008) and gave a speech. Before he began his speech, he asked if there were any journalists in audience. As the answer was negative, he said, “OK, now I feel free to say what I really want.” Ramadan is well-known for telling his infidel audience something and his Muslim audience another thing.
Ramadan said, “My brothers and sisters, we must exploit the so-called democracy and freedom of speech here in the West to reach our goals. Our Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, and the Koran teach us that we must use every conceivable means and opportunity to defeat the enemies of Allah. Tell the infidels in public, we respect your laws and your constitutions, which we Muslims believe that these are as worthless as the paper they are written on. The only law we must respect and apply is the Shari’s.”
Ramadan added, “The Germans claim that they want to integrate you in their society. We tell them we are going to integrate them in our Umma (Muslim world) after converting them to Islam.”
If Wilders wins his case, it will not be only his own triumph, but also one for all peace-loving people all over the world.
If Wilders loses then fascist Muslims have managed to silence Islam’s critics and consequently a “Dutch court has imported Saudi blasphemy norms to Europe”, as the Wall Street Journal put it.

Dr. Sami Alrabaa, an ex-Muslim, is a professor of Sociology and an Arab/Muslim culture specialist. Before moving to Germany he taught at Kuwait University, King Saud University, and Michigan State University. Dr. Sami Alrabaa can be reached atsamialrabaa@yahoo.com

Dr. Sami Alrabaa most recent columns (http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/members/8066/Dr.%20Sami%20Alrabaa/)

[tinyint]

Tinyint I'll try reply later

You live in Germany which is being Islamised, do you know the future predictions for the growth rate of the Muslim populations. Is it the Zionists who are again destroying Germany (some think they have a hand in policies relating to immigration and other EU laws)

They'd like nothing better than to dilute or destroy the ethnic Germanic race. During the war Dr Fredrick Banting wanted to destroy everyone with German Genes, it's documented in his written memoirs (same as the nation of Islam teach) Same plan from different Hebrew/Semites.

Zaghlul Al Najjar rejoices in the rise and spread of Islam across the globe. He writes in the Egyptian daily Al Ahram (Nov. 14, 2008), “Islam now is everywhere. Gorgeous mosques are built everywhere in the heart of Europe, in Rome and Cologne. The number of Muslims all over the world is also rising. More than 20 million Muslims live now in Europe. Alone in Germany there are 3.5. Demographers estimate that the majority of citizens in Germany will be Muslims in the year 2050. Two decades ago very few women wore the Hijab (headscarf). Now you can see them everywhere. Sooner or later, Islam will be in control of the whole world. This time, we don’t need to fight the infidel West with our troops as we did at the gates of Vienna. This time we’ll infiltrate the West and convert it to Islam, willy-nilly.”


http://sheikyermami.com/wp-content/uploads/tariq_ramadan.jpg (http://sheikyermami.com/wp-content/uploads/tariq_ramadan.jpg)
Tariq Ramadan visited the Islamic Center in Bilelefeld, Germany (May 21, 2008) and gave a speech. Before he began his speech, he asked if there were any journalists in audience. As the answer was negative, he said, “OK, now I feel free to say what I really want.” Ramadan is well-known for telling his infidel audience something and his Muslim audience another thing.
Ramadan said, “My brothers and sisters, we must exploit the so-called democracy and freedom of speech here in the West to reach our goals. Our Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, and the Koran teach us that we must use every conceivable means and opportunity to defeat the enemies of Allah. Tell the infidels in public, we respect your laws and your constitutions, which we Muslims believe that these are as worthless as the paper they are written on. The only law we must respect and apply is the Shari’s.”
Ramadan added, “The Germans claim that they want to integrate you in their society. We tell them we are going to integrate them in our Umma (Muslim world) after converting them to Islam.”
If Wilders wins his case, it will not be only his own triumph, but also one for all peace-loving people all over the world.
If Wilders loses then fascist Muslims have managed to silence Islam’s critics and consequently a “Dutch court has imported Saudi blasphemy norms to Europe”, as the Wall Street Journal put it.

Dr. Sami Alrabaa, an ex-Muslim, is a professor of Sociology and an Arab/Muslim culture specialist. Before moving to Germany he taught at Kuwait University, King Saud University, and Michigan State University. Dr. Sami Alrabaa can be reached atsamialrabaa@yahoo.com

Dr. Sami Alrabaa most recent columns (http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/members/8066/Dr.%20Sami%20Alrabaa/)

I do still not see the main problem in religion. It is being used as a vehicle.
Neither I would trust such ex-muslim... just reading his education wrings the alarm bell in me. A bit smelly, hmmm, CIA?
I know about what you posted, yes there are many of them.
Atfter WWII the conservative CDU started to finance and build up the structures for that. They brought in the first very radical people and still target such. Funnily, people in Turkey are more open minded that the turk in germany. Says it all.
Yes we have whole areas in the capital where even hospitals have dual language signs... some belong to the church and are being operated by nuns. :mad:

You also know then, that in a very physical way, we depend on the move of the UK/US people to sort our mess out.

I can't stand seeing our troops being used as mercenaries to fill the pockets of a few.

[eternal_spirit]

Damn I am exposing things here not many are aware of. But the purpose of the thread I guess was not to scapegoat. I am in two minds as what to post from now on. Because somethings/info are not easily proven and I don't want to spread/fall for propaganda and disinfo.
But alas I see others do the same day after day on here post stuff (which I know is disinfo) or not provable. So feel the need to counter act such points.

I nearly started a thread about this today. It's wrecking my conscience I am really a peaceful sensitive person in real life who would like to see the end of all wars for the benefit of ALL humanity but I feel like a propaganda merchant.

Some of the conspiracies and other info are no longer valid (because things have changed in many places since such info was produced years ago) some has since been debunked - so is no longer relevant to certain situations today.
Although I do think what I've posted on this thread is true and documented.

[tinyint]

Damn I am exposing things here not many are aware of. But the purpose of the thread I guess was not to scapegoat. I am in two minds as what to post from now on. Because somethings/info are not easily proven and I don't want to spread/fall for propaganda and disinfo.
But alas I see others do the same day after day on here post stuff (which I know is disinfo) or not provable. So feel the need to counter act such points.

I nearly started a thread about this today. It's wrecking my conscience I am really a peaceful sensitive person in real life who would like to see the end of all wars for the benefit of ALL humanity but I feel like a propaganda merchant.

Some of the conspiracies and other info are no longer valid (because things have changed in many places since such info was produced years ago) some has since been debunked - so is no longer relevant to certain situations today.
Although I do think what I've posted on this thread is true and documented.


No, my intention is not scapegoating. I want to find common ground. You might agree that the west is the problem, not the muslims, but they are scapegoated by the west, who keep the muslim radicals going. We need to fix our corrupt countries and we need to find out what we all can do.
You see, would it matter, if I was a muslim, which I am not?! We can still talk together.