Dr Michael Shermer - '9-11 is not an inside job'

[trev1]

Anyone listen to this guy on Coast to Coast am on Dec 7th ?

His main reason for not believing it was an inside job is because
there would have been too many people involved and surely it
would have leaked from the inside by now? In other words it would
be impossible for them to keep it a secret..

To be honest maybe he has a point......

He also still thinks -
-GW is by man-made CO2 emmissions
-Oswald killed Kennedy alone
-UFO do not exist

Any comment?

To me tho it makes me sad cause when you have people like this
guy around the truth will never come out end of story

[gonzo75]

Who's paying shermer's wages?

[fanoftruth]

I know the guy by name but without googling him I cannot think as to exactly who this guy is. Is there a reason why his views should be seen as overly important?

Anyone though who claims 9/11 not to be an inside job essentially has to say the same thing about Kennedy's killing, global warming, etc. It's like putting up a complete barrier in your own head. As I have heard all too often some people quite literally claim to "not believe in conspiracy theories". Quite possibly the silliest thing I hear on a regular basis.

As for the 'too many people would have been in on it' arguement...this again is just ludicrousely close minded and in all reality says nothing about the subject at hand. These poeple think they're killing your arguement with this one statement when in reality they are not making a point at all.

[paulstott]

Anyone listen to this guy on Coast to Coast am on Dec 7th ?

His main reason for not believing it was an inside job is because
there would have been too many people involved and surely it
would have leaked from the inside by now? In other words it would
be impossible for them to keep it a secret..

To be honest maybe he has a point......

He also still thinks -
-GW is by man-made CO2 emmissions
-Oswald killed Kennedy alone
-UFO do not exist

Any comment?



He's right on 9/11
Right on global warming
Wrong on JFK
Right on UFO's.

[trev1]

He's right on 9/11
Right on global warming
Wrong on JFK
Right on UFO's.

So you think Al Quieda did 9-11? I guess cause the guy on the
tv told you, right? And your governemnt never lies to you ?
You ever hear something called a 'covert operation'?
Its easier to believe that the bad guy, now hiding
in a cave done it? If so, show me the evidence? (a
grainey video of a guy in a white beard saying he done
it doesn't count).

I dont understand how you can think this. CO2
is only a minute part of the atmosphere - using logic tells you
it cannot be possible for the earth warming? The
earth is 4 billion years old for god sake the last
150 years is like 10 seconds in earth years.... but
go on beliving in those nice UN/IPCC scientists who
tell you its man-made. After all all their data is correct
is'nt it? I mean they wouldn't have manipulated or
falsify any data now would they? :eek:

As for UFOs thats just discounting a number of
geniune sightings from a lot of people around the
world. Look up Mitchigan 1966 and Tenerife, the
Canary Islands 1975 for just two amazing cases.
But I guess all these witnesses are lying , right?

I guess your also gonna tell me that the Bilderberg
Group doesn't exist and the elite dont want a world
government?

And Chemtrails, their only large Contrails, right? :rolleyes:

[bryan]

I know the guy by name but without googling him I cannot think as to exactly who this guy is. Is there a reason why his views should be seen as overly important?

He founded the so-called "Skeptics Society" in America, which is just like JREF. One of his favourite tricks is to say that 9/11 truthers are like holocaust deniers.

[camreeno]

I know the guy by name but without googling him I cannot think as to exactly who this guy is. Is there a reason why his views should be seen as overly important?

Anyone though who claims 9/11 not to be an inside job essentially has to say the same thing about Kennedy's killing, global warming, etc. It's like putting up a complete barrier in your own head. As I have heard all too often some people quite literally claim to "not believe in conspiracy theories". Quite possibly the silliest thing I hear on a regular basis.

As for the 'too many people would have been in on it' arguement...this again is just ludicrousely close minded and in all reality says nothing about the subject at hand. These poeple think they're killing your arguement with this one statement when in reality they are not making a point at all.Well he's pretty renouned in the world of skepticism. I see him a lot on a lot of programs on the History Channel, and they've interviewed several times on Larry King, and he was at the table debating UFO's with a few UFO researchers (surprise surprise) and he's been on several other talk shows... You know I just can't stand this guy. He stands for and defends seemingly whatever it deemed "politically correct" and he seems to rely heavily on other people's logic instead of his own. He makes his virdict on things before doing any research and because of that he sculpts such distorted views on things..... It seems like he denies everything that seems out of place.

Sheesh, this guy.... He has a few Youtube channels and it will only take you a few minutes to see who this guy is. He has this friendly sound to his voice that draws people in, but he does it in this deceptive way where he will ridicule topics in a way like things are obviously false and how these things are "funny"... Given that, he just doesn't hold any place in my mind for taking him seriously.

[camreeno]

He founded the so-called "Skeptics Society" in America, which is just like JREF. One of his favourite tricks is to say that 9/11 truthers are like holocaust deniers.The funny thing is he's probably never met a 9/11 truther.

[bobbydiva]

I listen from time to time, I thought C2C was even more far out than the 9/11 thing. How'd he get a job there? Each episode is about reptiles, or aliens, or psychic phenomenon. Orrrrr is it a big new age disinfo program?

[motleyhoo]

Shermer has a problem that gives us an inkling into his true intentions - the problem is, he is a skeptic of anything and everything. You pick any topic that goes against mainstream thinking and he will argue against it. The reason is because that's his job, it's his career, it pays his mortgage and buys him stuff. Once you understand that then you will stop listening to the guy.

He is clever tho, because he figured out that no one can prove him wrong. That's the thing about conspiracy theories - they wouldn't exist if they could be proven one way or the other. So, he argues against all of them, which is just fine for the head in the sand crowd, and the fact that he creates controversy is why he gets paid.

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[branjo]

He's right on 9/11
Right on global warming
Wrong on JFK
Right on UFO's.

lol

[coco]

He's right on 9/11
Right on global warming
Wrong on JFK
Right on UFO's.

How did they get through the metal detectors with metal bladed box cutters?

The same metal detectors that buzz at belt buckles, coins, jewelry, metal shoe eyelets, internal pins and plates. Carry on luggage is X-rayed and as a child, when my mom and I lived at the airport for a while, I personally watched things go through the X-ray machines and saw that everything is visible.

No one has attempted to entertain my dull little question as of yet. I am not being smug in the least, but sincere.

[dreamweaver]

How did they get through the metal detectors with metal bladed box cutters?

The same metal detectors that buzz at belt buckles, coins, jewelry, metal shoe eyelets, internal pins and plates. Carry on luggage is X-rayed and as a child, when my mom and I lived at the airport for a while, I personally watched things go through the X-ray machines and saw that everything is visible.

No one has attempted to entertain my dull little question as of yet. I am not being smug in the least, but sincere.

Airport security was definitely more lax before 11 September 2001 than after. It wouldn't have been that difficult to get through. I'd inadvertently brought a knife to America in my hand luggage without realising it in 1999. :eek:

[coco]

Airport security was definitely more lax before 11 September 2001 than after. It wouldn't have been that difficult to get through. I'd inadvertently brought a knife to America in my hand luggage without realising it in 1999. :eek:

I certainly agree it was more lax but the question looms in my mind as to how several individuals with box cutters avoided detection. Just a curiosity I've had for a while.

[motleyhoo]

I certainly agree it was more lax but the question looms in my mind as to how several individuals with box cutters avoided detection. Just a curiosity I've had for a while.

I thought the box cutters were already on the planes, put there by airport insiders. That's what I had seen speculated, but I have no idea how the 9/11 investigation dealt with it.

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[camreeno]

Shermer has a problem that gives us an inkling into his true intentions - the problem is, he is a skeptic of anything and everything. You pick any topic that goes against mainstream thinking and he will argue against it. The reason is because that's his job, it's his career, it pays his mortgage and buys him stuff. Once you understand that then you will stop listening to the guy.

He is clever tho, because he figured out that no one can prove him wrong. That's the thing about conspiracy theories - they wouldn't exist if they could be proven one way or the other. So, he argues against all of them, which is just fine for the head in the sand crowd, and the fact that he creates controversy is why he gets paid.

.Exactly my thoughts. I was actually perusing amazon.com and came across the pages to some of his books. Anyway so I came across the page to his book "Why People Believe in Weird Things" (ahhhem, why people believe things that only deviate from your constructed version of reality) and I clicked on the cover where you can read a few of the first pages of his book...

So he talks about his life before he became a "skeptic" and talks about how he use to be a long distance cyclist and he asked a champion cyclist how he "did it" and he gave him a list of things to do, including acupuncture, pyramid power, and other things. He said that he tried all the things he talked about and that they didn't work....

So it appears to me that the reason Shermer denies anything out of the ordinary is because he's created this barrier from this point in his life where he was unsuccessful with the "wierd" things he was adviced to do to do better with cycling.... He's created this axiom in his mind that anything "weird-sounding" must not be correct, and he seems to use this template for evaluating information where he will be skeptical of ANYTHING out of line with the norm.

Michael Shermer is such a joke... I wouldn't listen to him for anything. If he was in the Middle Ages there is no doubt he would deny the earth was round. He's exibiting the exact same mentality and the sad thing is he's completely oblivious to this. Based on his writing it's clear has has only researched the skeptical arguments to various phenomena, and due to this he isn't getting the whole picture... His methodology is about as flawed as you can get....

[kappy0405]

Any comment?

Is it really needed after this:

"He also still thinks -
-GW is by man-made CO2 emmissions
-Oswald killed Kennedy alone
-UFO do not exist"

He's another naive yuppie glad to be living in a box.

To be honest maybe he has a point......

I don't think so. The idea that 'too many people would have to be in on it' is a popular assumption, but that doesn't make it a good one. It's been repeated so many times by Noam Chomsky, that it's probably the #1 excuse from self-proclaimed skeptics. At the same time, the whole event may not be as complex as some here think it is though.

It could be as simple as one US mole in Al-Qaeda to encourage some brainwashed Muslims (so they have someone to blame), a few guys in the field of explosives/demolition, and Dick Cheney to "randomly" take a seat at the head of NIST's wargames department. Factor in the obvious guys: Bush, Rumsfeld, intelligence contacts, etc., and the guys who give the orders: David Rockefeller, Rothschilds, etc.. And maybe a few firemen to mislead their men and keep their mouths shut..

It wouldn't have necessarily needed more than a dozen people completely in the know, imho.

[branjo]

I certainly agree it was more lax but the question looms in my mind as to how several individuals with box cutters avoided detection. Just a curiosity I've had for a while.

as far as I know the only phone call that mentioned "box cutters" was a call that according to the FBI, never happened.

http://www.sf911truth.org/monographs/Box%20cutters%20-%20Who%20Got%20the%20Call,%20with%20Postscript%20% 5B4-page%5D.pdf

[helloperator]

Anyone listen to this guy on Coast to Coast am on Dec 7th ?

His main reason for not believing it was an inside job is because
there would have been too many people involved and surely it
would have leaked from the inside by now? In other words it would
be impossible for them to keep it a secret..

To be honest maybe he has a point......

He also still thinks -
-GW is by man-made CO2 emmissions
-Oswald killed Kennedy alone
-UFO do not exist

Any comment?

To me tho it makes me sad cause when you have people like this
guy around the truth will never come out end of story

Well by that rationale the terrorists couldn't have kept it a secret either...there would have been leaks everywhere. Some Mustafa would have blabbed. There's more honour in theives and criminals maybe. They kept it all very hush hush...even from the world's most elite intelligence agencies.

[supersmell]

I certainly agree it was more lax but the question looms in my mind as to how several individuals with box cutters avoided detection. Just a curiosity I've had for a while.

Box cutters were an approve carry on item prior to 9/11.

[kappy0405]

most people would laugh at someone threatening them with box cutters anyway.

[biozama]

Shermer calls himself a skeptic but believes everything the state does on 9-11, CO2 emissions and so on.
So, how is he a skeptic?
Oh yeah, religion.

Shermer...just the name sounds smarmy. He definitely gets a check and makes a horrible guest for CoastToCoastAM.

[tabea_blumenschein]

most people would laugh at someone threatening them with box cutters anyway.

Suuurre, they would. You can mortally wound someone in seconds with one of those things.

The blades on the box knives the hijackers had were about 4 inches in length, I think. Lots of switchblades or butterfly knives aren't very big, either. But just ask a cop or a physician who works in an ER in any major city about the horrific injuries and deaths they've seen due to attacks involving those weapons.

[kappy0405]

Suuurre, they would. You can mortally wound someone in seconds with one of those things.

The blades on the box knives the hijackers had were about 4 inches in length, I think. Lots of switchblades or butterfly knives aren't very big, either. But just ask a cop or a physician who works in an ER in any major city about the horrific injuries and deaths they've seen due to attacks involving those weapons.

You can mortally would someone in seconds without any equipment at all.

I've never heard that they were 4 inches, but the only 4 inch box cutters I've seen are pretty flimsy, and hardly comparable to a butterfly knife. I'd be more intimidated by a regular utility knife tbh.

Either way - Die by plane crash or die defending yourself against someone with a pathetic box cutter. Most people would take their chances defending themselves. :D

[kappy0405]

Shermer calls himself a skeptic but believes everything the state does on 9-11, CO2 emissions and so on.
So, how is he a skeptic?


exactly. Skeptics question EVERYTHING. If this guy spent as much time questioning the official story, he'd quickly come to our side. The same goes for the infamous JREF squad. They just pick an angle, usually the preconceived opinion of the mainstream, and cling to it no matter what proof comes their way.

If we're honest, true skepticism is actually a prerequisite of establishing conspiracy theory.

[tabea_blumenschein]

Either way - Die by plane crash or die defending yourself against someone with a pathetic box cutter. Most people would take their chances defending themselves. :D

Nobody knew the hijackers intended to crash the planes into buildings until it actually started happening. When the passengers of Flight 93 found out about it, they did take their chances defending themselves, and died in the attempt.

It's really easy to be brave when you're safe at home and not dealing with the life or death crisis the passengers on those four flights were. ;)

[branjo]

Nobody knew the hijackers intended to crash the planes into buildings until it actually started happening. When the passengers of Flight 93 found out about it, they did take their chances defending themselves, and died in the attempt.

It's really easy to be brave when you're safe at home and not dealing with the life or death crisis the passengers on those four flights were. ;)

:rolleyes:

[coco]

I thought the box cutters were already on the planes, put there by airport insiders. That's what I had seen speculated, but I have no idea how the 9/11 investigation dealt with it.

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I hadn't heard that - actually, now that I give it a moment's thought I think I had heard it a while back. OK, be that the case, how did THAT happen? New runway rats and servicers? Were they investigated? Were all the runway rats and servicers investigated? Old, new, white, brown, black, man, woman? What were the conclusions of that investigation? etc. etc. etc.

I know, it is speculation and I don't know how it was addressed, if at all, either.

[coco]

Box cutters were an approve carry on item prior to 9/11.

Have to admit, we had/have strange laws: Box cutters = ok; Other blades 1-2 inches or more = not ok. (in carry on luggage pre-9-11)

Here is a revised, post 9-11 TSA (Transportation Safety Administration) list of what is permissible to pack in carry on and checked luggage:

http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/prohibited/permitted-prohibited-items.shtm

[coco]

as far as I know the only phone call that mentioned "box cutters" was a call that according to the FBI, never happened.

http://www.sf911truth.org/monographs/Box%20cutters%20-%20Who%20Got%20the%20Call,%20with%20Postscript%20% 5B4-page%5D.pdf

Quite interesting, thank you.

[camreeno]

They just pick an angle, usually the preconceived opinion of the mainstream, and cling to it no matter what proof comes their way.

You just encapsulated the guy in one sentence. Well done.

[rodin]

He founded the so-called "Skeptics Society" in America, which is just like JREF. One of his favourite tricks is to say that 9/11 truthers are like holocaust deniers.

Dr Michael Shermer? Tell him from me they ARE

We have evidence that goes beyond the faked

[jackdaw]

Shermer may be short-sighted and sometimes unable to see the wood for the trees but some of the output from Skeptic.com is interesting and informed. Much of it isn't penned by Shermer himself, though I guess they're all Shermer adherents. His lectures are thought-provoking but I agree he leans on the conservative side too readily.

As for 9/11, UFOs and chemtrails, I'm not convinced one way or the other. Maybe I'm still suffering from information overload.

[branjo]

Shermer may be short-sighted and sometimes unable to see the wood for the trees but some of the output from Skeptic.com is interesting and informed. Much of it isn't penned by Shermer himself, though I guess they're all Shermer adherents. His lectures are thought-provoking but I agree he leans on the conservative side too readily.

As for 9/11, UFOs and chemtrails, I'm not convinced one way or the other. Maybe I'm still suffering from information overload.

When people look at 9/11 as just a "Tuesday" then of course things look as they appear to be, because that is the cycle of the goldfish public, they never go the distance, but its the history before and immediately after that is the huge can of worms. Aside from the long list of errors in the official explanation. Now certain phrases have become no more than buzzwords, like "Free Fall Speed", "Molten Steel", "Nano Thermite", "Building 7" etc etc.
People are already getting sick of the 9/11 debate and just opting for the official lines because of the opposition they face from professional and well educated shills within the movement for truth. The reality is the more opposition you face the better the indication that you are on the right road.

No matter what bullshit they try and push about 9/11 my gut is telling me not to swallow it. If the world is just trucking along day by day then the possibility could be there that Muslim terrorists picked the one day that the country was in confusion and decided that was the day, mind you as far as I know Muslims are not into numerology and there are far too many "coincidences" in the numerology of 9/11.

Common sense always prevails, Hokum's razor n all that. The best business is War and the resulting illegal wars are proof enough for me of either the "planning" of 9/11 by a faction within the Government or the "Allowing" of 9/11 as a means to an end, for a greater agenda.

Some people will not be convinced that 9/11 was a false flag attack until they see a CNN, FOX or BBC reporter tell them so. It is the exact same thing with ET's and UFO's, unless they hear it on the idiot box telling them how and what to think then they will always remain on the fence about it, which is exactly where the PTB want you to be, undecided and confused.

So either 9/11 commission report is the "Exact" way it happened, or someone is lying. And common sense says to me that if things happened exactly as the commission report said, then why are we not given the evidence to prove it one way or the other?

[camreeno]

Shermer may be short-sighted and sometimes unable to see the wood for the trees but some of the output from Skeptic.com is interesting and informed. Much of it isn't penned by Shermer himself, though I guess they're all Shermer adherents. His lectures are thought-provoking but I agree he leans on the conservative side too readily.

As for 9/11, UFOs and chemtrails, I'm not convinced one way or the other. Maybe I'm still suffering from information overload. Why aren't you convinced of at least 9/11? I think you need to view these documentaries and I'm sure your mind will change forever (there are countless documentaries about 9/11 being an inside job, but there are the best ones in my opinion):

9/11: Blueprint for Truth
Loose Change: 2nd Edition
Loose Change: Final Cut
911 in Plane Site
9/11: Press for Truth
The Great Conspiracy
Zeitgeist
Terrorstorm
Zero: An Investigation into 9/11

[camreeno]

Some people will not be convinced that 9/11 was a false flag attack until they see a CNN, FOX or BBC reporter tell them so. It is the exact same thing with ET's and UFO's, unless they hear it on the idiot box telling them how and what to think then they will always remain on the fence about it, which is exactly where the PTB want you to be, undecided and confused.

That's right. It's all about this assumption that the more prestigious and influential a media outlet is, the more likely they have access to the most accurate information. Little do people know, just 6 corporations control over 90% of the media (if I remember that right). And once you put into the picture the fact that the heads of these corporations meet secretly at Bilderberg meetings once a year, never to be told on their channels and in their newspapers, you suddenly have the possibility that they have the capacity to lie to us and get away with it. If someone tells the truth they fire them. It's that simple.

[tenzingnorgay]

Anyone listen to this guy on Coast to Coast am on Dec 7th ?

His main reason for not believing it was an inside job is because
there would have been too many people involved and surely it
would have leaked from the inside by now? In other words it would
be impossible for them to keep it a secret..

To be honest maybe he has a point......

He also still thinks -
-GW is by man-made CO2 emmissions
-Oswald killed Kennedy alone
-UFO do not exist

Any comment?

To me tho it makes me sad cause when you have people like this
guy around the truth will never come out end of story

Shermer is a professional skeptic, thus he must either be dishonest or stupid.

[tenzingnorgay]

He's right on 9/11
Right on global warming
Wrong on JFK
Right on UFO's.

He's wrong on everything. In fact one of the easiest ways to valiadte truth on any issue is to find out the position of Shermer and other skptics. They are usually wrong.

[tenzingnorgay]

He founded the so-called "Skeptics Society" in America, which is just like JREF. One of his favourite tricks is to say that 9/11 truthers are like holocaust deniers.

9-11 truthers are like holcoaust deniers. They are both truth seekers and they are both correct.

[tenzingnorgay]

Well he's pretty renouned in the world of skepticism. I see him a lot on a lot of programs on the History Channel, and they've interviewed several times on Larry King, and he was at the table debating UFO's with a few UFO researchers (surprise surprise) and he's been on several other talk shows... You know I just can't stand this guy. He stands for and defends seemingly whatever it deemed "politically correct" and he seems to rely heavily on other people's logic instead of his own. He makes his virdict on things before doing any research and because of that he sculpts such distorted views on things..... It seems like he denies everything that seems out of place.

Sheesh, this guy.... He has a few Youtube channels and it will only take you a few minutes to see who this guy is. He has this friendly sound to his voice that draws people in, but he does it in this deceptive way where he will ridicule topics in a way like things are obviously false and how these things are "funny"... Given that, he just doesn't hold any place in my mind for taking him seriously.

That's him. He defends whatever the mainstream position is on any topic. If he ever had an original thought his head would explode.

[camreeno]

He's wrong on everything. In fact one of the easiest ways to valiadte truth on any issue is to find out the position of Shermer and other skptics. They are usually wrong.HA!....Sadly that's right.

[bryan]

9-11 truthers are like holcoaust deniers. They are both truth seekers and they are both correct.

They should be, but most 9/11 truthers are happy to promote The Biggest Lie Ever Told. They should call Shermer's bluff.

[jackdaw]

Why aren't you convinced of at least 9/11? I think you need to view these documentaries and I'm sure your mind will change forever (there are countless documentaries about 9/11 being an inside job, but there are the best ones in my opinion):

9/11: Blueprint for Truth
Loose Change: 2nd Edition
Loose Change: Final Cut
911 in Plane Site
9/11: Press for Truth
The Great Conspiracy
Zeitgeist
Terrorstorm
Zero: An Investigation into 9/11

Thanks for those - Blueprint for Truth is excellent. Oddly, I didn't realise how much I already knew and can see that over a period of time I've drifted away from the conspiracy theory a little. Not sure why, maybe just other necessary focus in life. Thanks for the reminder to stay on the path. I must pay attention, I must pay attention, I must pay attention...!

[leviathanstaar]

Compartmentalization.

It's really that simple.

[lovestoned]

most people would laugh at someone threatening them with box cutters anyway.


Of course if Kappy was on one of the flights on 9/11 he would have saved hundreds or thousands of lives. What an arse

[dude111]

Who's paying shermer's wages?Probably the administration!

[diddy10]

Shermer is a complete bafoon

If "too many people would have to be involved and would get leaked" then how did it happen by these alqaeda characters who were borderline mentally handicapped? Wouldn't it leak and someone would come forward to stop it?

Shermer is a "skeptic" of anything that goes against the mainstream. If this turd lived a few hundred years ago he'd be saying the world was flat

[dude111]

He is a paid idiot,paid to try and keep the lie alive!!

Welcome to the site!

[ryanhodgson]

To many people would know to keep it a secret? There has to at least 100 million people on this planet who know the official story is a complete lie. What a stupid arguement.