Universities: your experiences of them.

[baron von lotsov]

I hope I get some replies here. I want to know what you made of it and in particular was it worth it? Are you cleverer than when you started or are you dumber? What is the most stupid thing they taught you and what was the most useful? Please give examples.

Did you meet anyone who was working for the Illuminati? I think I might have done, he was some Liberal political type but everyone knew he was not like the rest. Did you join any student societies, what did they try and teach you?

I personally think these places have a lot to answer for and I'm beaming the spot light on them now. They always seem to exist in the shadows and if you do ask difficult questions you get the "who me?" kind of surprised response. These places control knowledge.

[fantana]

What country are you from?

[baron von lotsov]

The People's Republic of Great Britain.

[kadamose]

I went to a university for three years -- but this was during a time when I was naive and really didn't have a sense of direction. During my third year, I began to question why I wasn't learning anything and why I was paying so much for an education I wasn't receiving. As I began to question more, I began to observe my surroundings and suddenly understood that I'd been had; upon that realization, I dropped out of the university and haven't regretted it since.

People need to ask themselves this before going to college:

1) Why do we, the students, need to pay for college out of our own pocket, especially when the government taxes over 40% of our wages? With the government taxing that much, it should be the government paying for everyone's 'higher education'. And we're not talking about no stupid student loans, either.

2) Why do we, the students, need to pay for our own books and other necessities that are required in such a setting?

3) Why are we, the students, not allowed to question authority or the Golden Rule?

4) Why are they teaching us, the students, incorrect information? (i.e. they still teach that Marconi was the inventor of the radio, for instance)

Once you ask those questions, you'll eventually find the answers that I did. Once this occurs, you will have to 'unlearn' all of the knowledge you've been taught at this point...and it's not an easy thing to do, but it is certainly necessary if you wish to truly understand the workings of this universe.

[december]

Are you cleverer than when you started or are you dumber?

I went to Oxford so I feel dumber.

[edelweiss pirate]

I had a fucking great time.....

3 years of no job to go to, twating around and having a ball...

The course was shit but they usually are.

Going to university has very little to do with actual studying in my view, at least, I think it's better that way.

I did this course about Caribbean writers and how they supposedly reacted to racist attitudes. Well, I read one of those shitty books and noticed that the old mother figure said :"White people aren't as strong as black people, their blood is weak and kind of watery'.

When I brought up that this was racism the course leader brushed my comments under the carpet, in fact she totally ignored them and the funniest thing was the looks I got from all these zombied out old bastitches who couldn't handle the truth of what I was saying.

The courses are crap. But there's always the bar...

[chris]

I think Universities have these objectives:

1. Get students in debt to force them into the system, albeit a nicer system to eventually get any real possessions i.e. house...

2. Get students toxic, lethargic and addicted to as many drugs as possible.

3. Ingrain a superiority in their students that they know because they have a slip of paper.

4. To feed them lies.

5. For other employers to know that these are worthy slaves of cracking the whip for the lower workers.

Still now it seems pointless of going to University, since you have to get the right degree from the right University or it's pretty much in vain.

[sidewinder]

One year at a Belgian university, I studied the culture/history of China and its language. Didn't succeed, failed at a every exam. Seems to be my 'walk of life', I have a lot of trouble focusing in class and keeping the information in my head. In the end I didn't learn anything usefull, except for the vocab/grammar of Chinese. Then again, I don't remember that much nowadays, if anything. I'm having trouble also keeping data from Icke's books in my head, although I can outline the big picture if I want to, but structured in my own way, combined with my own feeling of the world (which is pretty much the same as Davids). I really like to learn and to get into new stuff though, as weird as it may seem. My hunger/desire for knowledge is waaaaaay too big to handle, and unfortunately there aren't a lot open-minded resources (in the regular media) which are easy to access.

[auron]

I've been to a few, only to have a smoke with the people that had to go.

And every time i came home i thought "wow, thank fuck i don't have to go to university."

[baron von lotsov]

Here, I learnt this 'fact' in physics. If you have two or more particles that are indistinguishable from one another it makes their behaviour different to how they would behave if they were distinguishable because the act of observing them apparently changes their physical behaviour. This seems more like an occultic belief than science and I asked my tutor about it. I had remembered parrot fashion what the course lecture had said, I repeated it to him in that fashion saying I'm confused, this can't possibly be right and he replied with a smile "yes that's right" in a way that I would have been awarded full marks if I had copied this info onto the exam paper. My surprise was that I, as a student was questioning it whereas he, as a professional doctor of physics and researcher, was not.

[kadamose]

I would have to say the biggest crock of shit taught in the university is the Conservation of Energy and the Laws of Thermodynamics (which do not apply to the quantum aspect of reality AT ALL). We've been held back by these beliefs for a very long time.

[baron von lotsov]

Yes, they call them paradoxes. An interesting paradox is the homopolar generator. As a student I found electromagnetism a weird subject and you can learn it and print it down on the paper and get your marks but never feel you completely understand it. It's like being told to accept paradoxes, which are not in my nature to accept.

I used to mess around with a lot of EM stuff as I was building transmitters for pirate radio stations and they were temperamental blighters to set up. Like there was a ghost in the machine where your meters flick around all over the place for no discernable reason.

And you know they do know what is going on and the answer is mathematical and has something to do with Cartan geometry and Lie algebra but they don't pay any attention. I was looking at what my old department are doing now. They are really going for it at these huge CERN accelerators talking about the same discredited stuff. You know, their string theory and various beliefs about fundamental particles when they don't even appear to catch on to what is really far simpler and exacting with no guesswork.

Essentially the three types of wave, the EM, the scalar and the torsion wave which are the three different solutions to this Lie algebra stuff. No argument and with that you can get ahead. As you say they believe in conservation of energy so they have to invent particles like neutrinos, which have the odd characteristic that they do not interact with matter and can pass straight through the earth itself! How convenient, a particle that has mass/energy but is entirely invisible to any form of detector.

[kadamose]

What makes me sick about this whole thing, is these very same people have PROVEN with mathematical equations that Zero Point Energy exists and that the energy contents within a cubic centimeter of the stuff is 100 times more powerful than our Sun! Just a simple cubic centimeter! And yet, the majority of academia refuses to believe in ZPE or that it can be tapped to produce useful work.

What's even more sickening, is that when true ZPE devices are released in 2012, all of these naysayers will be trying to take credit for it. Fucking hypocrites.

[baron von lotsov]

Even the second most famous physicist ever, Richard Feynman, pointed out that a teacup full of water could blow 1/4 of America into smithereens. He was talking about the same zero point energy. They even used him to fob off the public on why the Space Shuttle crashed. Actually it was Russia playing with their new fangled scalar weapon but he managed to convince the public it was ice that destroyed the rubber rings on the booster rockets!

[chris]

Interesting Baron about the particle stuff...I have wondered that stuff about quantum mechanics also that it could be a lie which you can't prove wrong.

This is one thing that I haven't got into this stuff, because the subject is so huge that I would have to learn the regular stuff before I discern fact from fiction. You seem to be doing a good job. Any pointers where one should start?

Maybe these made up things are to cover up for greater things, perhaps to probe into these will open up a huge new realm of hidden technology.

[kblood]

Yup. They really have a way sticking to old teachings even though they have been proven wrong. Maybe they are told to do so, since it is part of some kind of brainwashing, or simple just forgetting to update their pensums? ;)

Here in Denmark we at least dont have to pay for college or university. We pay up to 70% tax though, depending on our income. Still it is nice to mostly not having to pay for anything. Free healthcare, social security (even when being a tourist in other countries, the Danish government will pay for the medical treatment if something happens there), free education system and a wellfare system that seems to be doing well.

Even though we are doing very well, it seems our current government wants to change it all. They still have wellfare for everyone in mind though... I think.

[freedomnonfighter]

I've been to a few, only to have a smoke with the people that had to go.

And every time i came home i thought "wow, thank fuck i don't have to go to university."

Ahahaha same here :D

At the end of high school I had realized the education SYSTEM was a load of crap, but I still decided to look at art colleges in hopes they'd be different.
Toured a few art colleges, the best ones around, and um well no thanks.

I had a feeling it would be just like this:
"Use and develop this technique and that."
-"Well, sir, I have my own and it changes with each subject and with me"
"No, you must do this and do that! Do you want to pass the class or not??"

I gave my parents the "I'm only taking a year off" buzz just to get them off my back for a year. Since then I've had to explain the reasons why the education system is crap many many times, and they still "prefer" me to go to college.

But I will say with absolute certainty about people I did know who went to Universities/Colleges. Every time they came back home during summer or break or visit, they usually were either dumber than they were before, or on a total college ego-trip about how theyre learning so much and theyre so much better than everyone else and they have such a bright future [that they spent the best years of their life working for]. Or, just outright alcoholics and sexaholics. Total clones. Quite a turnoff I'd say ;)

[chris]

My sister came back from University a totally different person. She knew everything, had everthing, was all knowing, became totally self centered and she also thought she was a real rebel which I found quite funny. She changed completely. She got a complaint for bullying this other student and I've heard her get into extremely condescending arguments with other people, she can't put her case across but only tell them how stupid they are.

[don azzaro]

I got as far as my 'A-levels'. I'd had enough when on the first lesson of Chemistry A-Level they told me that basically all I'd learnt before was not fit to wipe my arse with... Bit of a motivation killer that one. I didn't want to get to Uni 2 years down the line and find out my A-levels were lies too lol.

[umbrex]

I'm studying psychology at Århus University.

And i'm loving it. The surroundings are great, the professors even better and i do feel i am at the peak of our civilization atm.

It's great and i do enjoy it. For every page i read, i want to read even more. For every lecture i attend, i want to come to the next one. It is truly a fantastic thing to study at a university. I feel like i am being equipped with the tools to put human thinking, relations and psychology in general into a much broader perspective. I am really learning alot of good stuff atm.

Sadly i cannot confirm the semi paranoid, reptile and illuminati agenda u are trying to promote with this post.

[baron von lotsov]

Interesting Baron about the particle stuff...I have wondered that stuff about quantum mechanics also that it could be a lie which you can't prove wrong.

This is one thing that I haven't got into this stuff, because the subject is so huge that I would have to learn the regular stuff before I discern fact from fiction. You seem to be doing a good job. Any pointers where one should start?

Maybe these made up things are to cover up for greater things, perhaps to probe into these will open up a huge new realm of hidden technology.


Well like a lot of things it takes years of study. I suppose you need to learn what they teach before seeing what is wrong with it. Not everything in physics is bunkum; a lot of the basics are completely sound like Newtonian mechanics and that sort of thing. Where is goes wonky is in the high level stuff and they can get away with it by saying you don't have a PhD so you can't comment.

Seriously these PhD people are seriously big headed and can look so stupid when they make out they know everything when in fact all they know is one very small slice of specialist knowledge. I recall having a discussion on global warming with one a short while ago where he was acting like Mr 'know it all' because he was a PhD geologist studying erosion at the mouths of rivers. I almost felt sorry for him since I completely flawed his arguments to the point where he stopped jumping up and down with that 'how dare you say this' and something must have clicked that not everything that has been taught is correct.

The funny thing now is he has a respect for me, like I had successfully joined the club! So this is how it needs to be approached, you need to learn the subject and then argue on scientific grounds. One thing a lot of these academics do still have is respect for an argument and proof and so on. If you can win them over on the science they will be won over. Most don't even know they have been lied to.

[baron von lotsov]

I'm studying psychology at Århus University.

And i'm loving it. The surroundings are great, the professors even better and i do feel i am at the peak of our civilization atm.

It's great and i do enjoy it. For every page i read, i want to read even more. For every lecture i attend, i want to come to the next one. It is truly a fantastic thing to study at a university. I feel like i am being equipped with the tools to put human thinking, relations and psychology in general into a much broader perspective. I am really learning alot of good stuff atm.

Sadly i cannot confirm the semi paranoid, reptile and illuminati agenda u are trying to promote with this post.

Psychology is one of the most bent subjects they teach. Many Illuminists were psychologists, e.g. Skinner, Maslow, Freud, Jung, and Kinsey.

[kadamose]

Psychology = Pseudoscience.

[chris]

Psychology = Pseudoscience.

and Religion.

[baron von lotsov]

I'm studying psychology at Århus University.

And i'm loving it. The surroundings are great, the professors even better and i do feel i am at the peak of our civilization atm.

It's great and i do enjoy it. For every page i read, i want to read even more. For every lecture i attend, i want to come to the next one. It is truly a fantastic thing to study at a university. I feel like i am being equipped with the tools to put human thinking, relations and psychology in general into a much broader perspective. I am really learning alot of good stuff atm.

Sadly i cannot confirm the semi paranoid, reptile and illuminati agenda u are trying to promote with this post.

Also, did it ever occur to you that you think like this precisely because those university psychology professors are professional brainwashers? No, I thought not.

Especially when you say

"I feel like i am being equipped with the tools to put human thinking, relations and psychology in general into a much broader perspective"

This is twaddle and meaningless, in fact it sounds like it is straight out of the Tavistock manual. Your purpose is to become equipped with the means to control people through conning them and carrying out brainwashing operations yourself eventually. I saw a council job ad the other day; they call it 'influencing skills'. How to con people in other words.

[supertzar]

In one course at the major university where I work the award-winning teacher spoke about the McMartin Preschool case in the context of "suburban panic." His thesis had to do with the detorioration of culture being tied to the artificial rise of suburbia. The McMartin case illustrated one of his points about the cultural malaise of suburbia causing people to behave in irrational ways, as he believed the accusers did. Problem was I had evidence that there were tunnels found under McMartin Preschool and told him so. To my face he said he would like to see the L.A. Times article I was talking about. When I emailed it to him I never got a response and I seriously doubt he has altered his class to include the new information. It undermined his thesis, so why should he change it?

Another teacher flatly stated in a class about media "Some people believe in conspiracy theories, but conspiracy theory doesn't work?" :rolleyes:

There are countless ways they shape the reality of the eager lapdogs that go to these schools. A lot of it has to do with what they won't say. They use their credentials to define boundaries outside of which you must not go if you wish to be in good standing with the academic community. Chemtrails? No. 9-11 Truth? Hell no. Secret societies? No, no, no! Symbolism throughout the ages? Get the fuck out of here!!!

[asentinel]

That was cute that you "undermined" his thesis with evidence of tunnels under suburbia, which his thesis claimed was culturally deteriorating due to the artificial rise of... etc.

just a twisted sense...

university of the mad mother...

[chris]

When America was founded the presidents had a wide variety jobs some were soldiers, poets, mathematicians, writers, artists and many other things all in the space of 40 or so years. Now all you get are Lawyers and CEO's who have no real experience of life, they have just found it easy to get along in school because they are good little puppets and because throughout all this they have been told they are the special ones who are in the position to boss around all the inferior beings.

[umbrex]

Also, did it ever occur to you that you think like this precisely because those university psychology professors are professional brainwashers? No, I thought not.

Especially when you say

"I feel like i am being equipped with the tools to put human thinking, relations and psychology in general into a much broader perspective"

This is twaddle and meaningless, in fact it sounds like it is straight out of the Tavistock manual. Your purpose is to become equipped with the means to control people through conning them and carrying out brainwashing operations yourself eventually. I saw a council job ad the other day; they call it 'influencing skills'. How to con people in other words.

tbh i am so fed up with idiots like you who sees everything as a conspiracy and "alternate sciences" as the means to the end.

the way i absorb the topic is by self reflection. It's rather amusing how i can lay it down on my own life and see how it fits together.
I know psychology isn't a definate science, but come on. i think your points are weak and probably based upon your own sad situation where you life didnt turn out the way you would have liked it to.

[thetonic]

tbh i am so fed up with idiots like you who sees everything as a conspiracy and "alternate sciences" as the means to the end.

the way i absorb the topic is by self reflection. It's rather amusing how i can lay it down on my own life and see how it fits together.
I know psychology isn't a definate science, but come on. i think your points are weak and probably based upon your own sad situation where you life didnt turn out the way you would have liked it to.

Id have to say that someone who makes such childish and broad assumptions about other peoples lifes and goals, doesnt sound very educated to me. And trust me , there is a conspiracy , and right now you are helping it propagate...:cool:

[baron von lotsov]

tbh i am so fed up with idiots like you who sees everything as a conspiracy and "alternate sciences" as the means to the end.

the way i absorb the topic is by self reflection. It's rather amusing how i can lay it down on my own life and see how it fits together.
I know psychology isn't a definate science, but come on. i think your points are weak and probably based upon your own sad situation where you life didnt turn out the way you would have liked it to.

You are talking to someone who has studied psychology amongst other things. You take the establishments view, you are being educated by them and as a student they teach you that you are clever, when you are not. Pride eventually gets the better of you and you are then in their grasp since you can't admit the stuff you profess is wrong, even if you do eventually find out.

I have been to the kind of place you appear to be at and seen it first hand. I was smart, I saw it at the time but very few others did. One guy I remember who did a psychology degree did know but he was only at a polytechnic. As for my life turning out how I would have liked it, well I would have liked to have been born into a fairer world but it was not to be. Knowing all the scams going on was not a pleasant experience but it was real. My family did not sell their souls to the system of masons you are entering into, they fought that system and I inherited the shit right from and early age and you know what, it toughened me up at an early age too. I have no regrets.

[lydia78]

[QUOTE=baron von lotsov;132941]You are talking to someone who has studied psychology amongst other things.
QUOTE]

Don't suppose you've got a dissertation/experiment

I could borrow have you??lol

In my final yr of psychology, am disillusioned with the subject

tries to hard to be a science, has it's good points, bad and pointless

What started off as a childhood dream has now transformed into

a passport to branch out in other areas.

Uni is what you make it at the end of the day

have met some brilliant people, some lecturers are cool

others don't walk their own subject

social psychologists can be the most anti-social people

you could meet!!!!

[asentinel]

tbh i am so fed up with idiots like you who sees everything as a conspiracy and "alternate sciences" as the means to the end.

the way i absorb the topic is by self reflection. It's rather amusing how i can lay it down on my own life and see how it fits together.
I know psychology isn't a definate science, but come on. i think your points are weak and probably based upon your own sad situation where you life didnt turn out the way you would have liked it to.

It is a rough crew around here sometimes, and a pity that instead of locking horns, butting heads, we could not share potential ideas for change, challenge the way things are with visions of better.

I think that intelligence and a good intention can overcome any faulty system, and change from within can be effective. Those within the current system, if they have the wish to, are in a good position to criticise.

Why are there not alternative institutions? Sooner or later, they will have to exist.

Anyone wanting to make a positive change in the world, contribute to evolution of humanity, will do so. I would ask you to consider where the concept of consciousness fits into the studies you mention?

We cannot but help form our opinions from our own experiences, looking through our own personal filter.

Doesn't life always surprise us, does it ever turn out the way we thought? Hopefully we can update our views enough not to feel sad about it.

Enthusiasm for what one is doing is a great thing. We can only call it as we see it right now, for ourselves. Wisdom tempers. No one can tell us anything until we have experienced it for ourselves. I hope you keep asking questions of others and of yourself.