Freeman-ON-the-LAND Success Stories

[girlgye]

Well we haven't got a section and perhaps this could be stickied.

FMOL is in it's infancy but I know of successes from around the globe. So given this is THE MOST POPULAR FMOL SITE officially. Lets just promulgate some success stories for the whole wide world to see shall we.

Please NOTE this is not about successful commercial redemption stories but for those who have used NOUI and CoR.

I know Rob might want to go first.

[rob menard]

I post those on the WFS site, but have found people will demand what they consider proof, and before you know it you are running all over trying to prove to some party whom you do not know.

If you weere in a football match and heading down the field about to score, and some druken foolish sod form the other team started screaming at you and calling you names do you stop your run to engage in an argument with them, when they are not even on the field and clearly rooting fort the other side?

Of course not, and that is why I do not ay any more attention to DM, nor will I try to argue about 'proof'. I have had plenty, and have spoken about them on my vids. I see no reason to spend my time typing out what I have already said for those who won't believe anyway.

Rob

PS- If someone comes up and spits in your face while asking you questions, and they stink, and are offensive, and you leave because of those things, would it be right for the stinky, spraying spitter to claim you left because you could not handle the questions?

[girlgye]

So then is your purpose on this forum to draw us all to WFS? I'm not asking for proof I'm asking for claims of success and a sharing of it.

Personally I haven't had any success and I haven't really contributed to WFS and when I've spoken with those kind enough to help me on a personal level from there it has been through redemption methods that we have explored.

For example I was done for not having a ticket when I got on the underground from some sort of hellish experience. I explained what it was and like a drone he pulled out his forfeiture of cash pad. I said I am of the Gye Family and he said that is not a name. I'm not using that. I insisted and he just extrapolated the two words that sounded like a name.

You may be aiming that remark at me and I hope you aren't by feeling I'm spitting in your face. Actually I'm trying to count up the successes to make us all feel good as if it continues this board will be going west as well as your own and if there isn't much then I'm afraid we have to move on.
I'm pretty confident that there are so Rob doesn't see the need to post the successes as they are clearly delineated in his vids (which they are) and if you are interested you contact Pete whereby you can purchase all that info without spending hours watching 10 min bursts on youtube. Good value at £120 for all that you get. I think.

If anyone else agrees with me on that point and has the vids please feedback.
Could you also tell me are you the only Director or are there others at WFS.

[zarah]

When I first saw the title of this thread, I thought it'd be a good read..I've only just started researching into the fmotl concept, and it's absolutely extraordinary. I've also enjoyed Rob's videos, although I don't know about his website so I'll have a gander shortly.

I've seen a number of posts lately which are attacking in nature, and seem to try to divide rather than unite. It's unsettling...especially if we're all meant to be on the same side. I've got a feeling this thread will turn into a playgroundesque insult-hurling debarcle, so I won't bother subscribing.

[zhenshanren]

I believe that Rob was making a point, but not towards you GG

I believe he is telling us that it's all well and good, but when actually done, instead of people taking it as a positive force promoting diligent efforts towards advancement, they start to nit-pic and harp n every point demanding answers and proof etc.

It sounds like a good idea, but I also know that Rob has his "fortune telling" glasses on and has made a great point about the probability of the outcome, especially on this board.

However, we don't have to have permission to start and if it gets bad it can always be dropped.

[chateaux]

My Success story is to do with learning who I am and who I am not. Very liberating for me.

I use the basic techniques to ask the right questions and for me I am a lot more confident in dealing with issues to do with law. Had I not watched any of Rob's material and bought some of his books and DVDs etc. I would never have had an interest to research this stuff.

My knowledge is not just from Rob, it is from a wide variety of people such as Irene Gravenhorts, Mary Elizabeth Croft and many many others.

My main interest is to simply live a peaceful life where I am not hassled by anyone. Thus I have been using my talents to creating my own systems to replace that offered by governments. Not an easy path but a very interesting one.

Rob encourages people to learn for themselves. This was hard for me at first when I was learning the ropes (and yes I did ask Rob for help - and yes I did not get any). I am glad he made me learn for myself, I have my own style and my own unique approach which suits my character and personality.

Just remember who you are... and in my case I have the systems to prove who I am... no thanks to anyone other than myself.

Good luck to you all.

Girlyguy - I would suggest you do what Mary Elizabeth Croft has done (and me). Create your own Freeman Identity. And when asked to identify yourself, use it. Put whatever name you like on it. I for instance do not use a surname... or even mention it... No date of birth and if asked, I give a random date qualified with: 'around' the x of y.

For an address... now you will like this one :D I am getting a big metal post box made... and finding a nice quiet street and bolting it down with a number on it. Voila! My new 'postal' address.

Guys - to succeed you need to start thinking outside the box. Rob got us going... now we are on our own.

Cheers and have fun with your successes!

- c

[armoured_amazon]

*subbed* :)

[banjoreality]

fuck super dads, I went the freeman way (with help and a lot of reading), it worked. I see my kid half time now, just through common sense and explaining to her: She has rights, she now knows how to express them (even to a police officer).
As for the court, I loved it, nothing like being an adult with the freedom of consent. Never give it.
On behalf of my daughter and I: a million thanks to you Rob, may the creator take gentle care of you and your loved ones forever.

[h2pogo]

this is copy and pasted from.. http://tpuc.org/

I have had similar experiences some that have gone well others not so well..
I have had successes in not paying fines for sorns, parking tikets and the like by simply ignoring them and/or phoning the number on the letter and telling them i wont pay unless a judge orders me to pay in person..

I think that so many people are starting to be aware of their rights and looking for lawfull remedy is a success in its self..
remember this freemanon the land is a relativetly new movement..




A freeman in Lawful Rebellion under article 61 of the Magna Carta is stopped by the police...
Posted November 26th, 2008 by richardlandry

A recent encounter of a freemans' contact with the police:

I was pulled over tonight by the police and i had my 14 month Daughter on board also. I got out and said hello and all the usual things. I switched my dictaphone on in front of him so that he clearly knew what i was doing. At this point, the officer was polite and asked if i had a license, and i said i do not have a license. He LOOKED AT ME with wide opened eyes in shock. He said i hope you do have a license as he smiled, Well i had spoke in a manner like it was the normal thing to here or say. I said well yes my person has a license but i don't. He said "your losing me", as he smiled.

I was then Immediately spoke to by a school leaver style officer, She was fun. So she asked for my NAME and i said "the name of the person is".....and she upt her voice and said "i don't want the persons name i want your name". This was cracking me up inside with laughter for now she was asking for my lawful name and all there statute's only applies ONLY to the LEGAL ENTITY the PERSON (all caps) so now she was asking for my lawful name as she had asked for, and as again, my lawful name has no joinder with there statute law.(this was why i was laughing inside) She said look mate you will be nicked if you don't give me your name. Well i said to her "the name your are requiring is ########### ######"
And she started to calm down.

(REMEMBER i was threatened of my freedom if i did not comply,and you CANNOT force someone into a contract if they do not lawfully consent to it nor can you enforce a a contract onto a PERSON if you the agent does not consent to it.)

So they said they said from the way i am acting and behaving it appeared to them as if i was concealing something and that my eyes were glazed. Well i did have a joint hours and hours before i went out.( Must have been good stuff.)

The male officer then looked at me and said he was going to do this under the new laws SOCPA or something like that.

I said i still dont consent to neither search of me or my car. He put his gloves on as he was having none of it. Immediately I pulled out a joint from my inside pocket. I said "this was given to me earlier it is a ".Marijuana joint." He said well im searching you for we have found drugs on you. I said "NO YOU HAVE NOT" found drugs on me for i supplemented you (as a gift) as you accepted it from me as i said i have nothing to hide. ....so there's no found about it. Well they did search me and my car and i made sure they repeated their numbers for the dictaphone. Now the only reason they pulled me over was because my car was 3 months out of TAX,(well that is my conclusion?) As he was searching me i said i did not consent to being searched and that if he looked on Dunn and Brad street the courts of justices are advertised as corporations and therefore this means contracts and they need consent.

So i said to the officer that i had a signed witnessed document in my file on the back seat by a Notarised Solicitor in Poole stating under article 61 i had in fact entered LAWFUL REBELLION! And that i am lawfully and legally bound by there instructions nor to comply with their orders and that if they also choose to not to respect this they as officers of the courts would be in-complicit with this act also so i must make you fully aware of this.

At this point another POLICE car pulled up with a lone male officer. The male officer briefed him on what had taken place. at this point my dictaphone cut off for i had used all the digital memory. The officer would not allow me to retrieve my dictaphone from the roof of the car to pre-record over another message. He was so relieved at the fact this went of. WELL Why would he not want me to record proceedings? I'M DOING HIM A HUGE FAVOUR! He then stopped me again and said "NO it's not nccessary, i've been fair with you and polite so i assure you this wont be needed and once we are happy we will let you be on your way. So i smiled and said "yes you have been polite and so forth ok lets move on"..

Well the school girl officer said is this registered to you? I said " it is registered to the PERSON". she never squabbled.

Well they then walked around waiting for a record check you know for the usual stuff like anything outstanding fines. Whilst this was going on the newly on the seen officer said to me "are you the bloke that is deeply into the MASONS? I said that depends on what you mean"....He said "well hold a deep knowledge of the MASONS? I said " something like that" as he said " i thought i knew your name from somewhere.

It came through as i over heard the officers radio as he had is had it switch to radio but the volume was really low. They then huddled together and muttered for a a few moments. By this time my Daughter was screaming with upset for i was not near the car in her view. Then one of the other male officers came over to me and said as i" imagine you wouldn't want to do all the paper work now and will want to get on what with your daughter screaming and the cold"

I said " of course". He then said he will give me a statement (search form) of the events of the search which will be at the police station for 12 months. At this point i said " 12 months i thought it was 14 days standard procedure? He said "NO listen to me" I will fill out what's happened tonight and the events and it will stay with the police station for 12 months ok. I said "erh ok...... meaning and....? please continue officer.

And he said ok again to me as i asked do you wish me to sign anything. He said "NO" your free to go!!!!!

As i left i explain very quickly about the truth of registering a child or a vehicle and that this was why the government have to pay child support for it is there property when point to fact EVERY CHILD ought be entitled to the benefit without having to sign anything. And the male officer was agreeing to what i had said regarding the truth of registering. I also said that this all can be found at Tpuc.org. And they looked at me and said "ok thanks in a calm voice as i went back to my untaxed car and made my Travelling journey.
PEOPLE do you realise if there is no signature then then is no contract. And NO CONTRACT = NO CASE Fact!!!!
All i can say is my approach was calm, with no malice and peaceful. I can only think that it must have been a case of where the officer had taken Notice of my previous statement of LAWFUL REBELLION

and that i had not consented at any time nor did i have any ID and i did tell the officers i was recording and gaining evidence. To which most of it was recorded.

And maybe as they was chatting they came to the conclusion that i was Knowledgeable????

And that maybe one of the officers Knew a thing or two about the truth of the deception "PERSON" and gave me the benefit of the doubt???

Or they just could not be doing with the paper work for they knew i was not going to make it easy for them as in the past i had sent NOTICE'S to the police in the past and never heard from them again regarding cutting them up and having no mot and below the limit tyres along with no invalid insurance for the mot was expired which was to the case. Yes mot had expired but it states in the EVENT of an accident should a party have no mot......... See! I had not had an accident! so i was insured.

So again i only imagine they must have record of this as a possibility to why they left it at that and let it go?

I will be sending Tpuc.org the recording of the incident up until it cut off to upload once i work out how to retrieve the messages to my computer. As for the record for those who leave reply message's-
(A) i have always smoked cannabis from time to time
(B) I have a excellent driving record overall.
(C) Had you seen clarkson and a guy did two driving tests one without cannabis the other with. And he had full points with a joint and a few points deducted when he had not had a joint!!!! Fact! But it had been Hours since i had travelled.. ( I wouldn't do that)
(D) If you study and research on how banks operate and government operate you will see what we are told as to where our money really goes and how much is really generated then you will learn the BIG SCAM!!! and see that i by not paying am doing no financial harm for i am decreasing the Debt and DVLA always create the liability but never send you the remedy such as a RET.
(REMITTANCE) commerce stuff.
(E) I LOVE MY SOIL and will defend it well against those whom wish to create conflict against my fellow Englishmen and Women and against Our fellow human cousins or brothers and sisters if you will by nature Blacks, Asians, religion and so forth that share our land in peace with us and CONTRIBUTE to our economy. (as many whites do not also)
And CANNOT allow mass Genocide and fund fake wars and support TRAITORS to this by feeding the machine MONEY that LEGALLY i am empowered from doing so (article 61) and have ethics unlike those in office.

That's all for now. and spread the word !!!!!!!! (Tpuc.org)

[mondo23]

I see these as examples of FMOL success stories:

another way of life - YouTube

travellers homes - YouTube

Auroville Documentary - Journey to the City of Dawn - YouTube

And this is what happens when the 'authorities' deem that way of life to be some kind of a threat to society:

Operation Solstice (Beanfield Eviction) 1985 - YouTube

Living free IS possible...just walk away.
Its not easy though.

[kenn]

I also have been awakened to the legal system by FMOTL concept and have taken some steps to freeing my human self already after buying V's book. Very exciting and I hope that a lot of people check out the website and get some inspiration to start doing the same. It explains in plain English the way we have been hoodwinked by all the statute b.s laws that have plagued humanity for centuries, I would thoroughly recommend as many people grasp a copy as soon as possible, there are free downloads on the site as ebooks, or you can get a real book from Amazon etc.

Happy hunting. Love peace and light to all

Ken:D

[the maestro]

this is copy and pasted from.. http://tpuc.org/

I have had similar experiences some that have gone well others not so well..
I have had successes in not paying fines for sorns, parking tikets and the like by simply ignoring them and/or phoning the number on the letter and telling them i wont pay unless a judge orders me to pay in person..

I think that so many people are starting to be aware of their rights and looking for lawfull remedy is a success in its self..
remember this freemanon the land is a relativetly new movement..




A freeman in Lawful Rebellion under article 61 of the Magna Carta is stopped by the police...
Posted November 26th, 2008 by richardlandry

A recent encounter of a freemans' contact with the police:

I was pulled over tonight by the police and i had my 14 month Daughter on board also. I got out and said hello and all the usual things. I switched my dictaphone on in front of him so that he clearly knew what i was doing. At this point, the officer was polite and asked if i had a license, and i said i do not have a license. He LOOKED AT ME with wide opened eyes in shock. He said i hope you do have a license as he smiled, Well i had spoke in a manner like it was the normal thing to here or say. I said well yes my person has a license but i don't. He said "your losing me", as he smiled.

I was then Immediately spoke to by a school leaver style officer, She was fun. So she asked for my NAME and i said "the name of the person is".....and she upt her voice and said "i don't want the persons name i want your name". This was cracking me up inside with laughter for now she was asking for my lawful name and all there statute's only applies ONLY to the LEGAL ENTITY the PERSON (all caps) so now she was asking for my lawful name as she had asked for, and as again, my lawful name has no joinder with there statute law.(this was why i was laughing inside) She said look mate you will be nicked if you don't give me your name. Well i said to her "the name your are requiring is ########### ######"
And she started to calm down.

(REMEMBER i was threatened of my freedom if i did not comply,and you CANNOT force someone into a contract if they do not lawfully consent to it nor can you enforce a a contract onto a PERSON if you the agent does not consent to it.)

So they said they said from the way i am acting and behaving it appeared to them as if i was concealing something and that my eyes were glazed. Well i did have a joint hours and hours before i went out.( Must have been good stuff.)

The male officer then looked at me and said he was going to do this under the new laws SOCPA or something like that.

I said i still dont consent to neither search of me or my car. He put his gloves on as he was having none of it. Immediately I pulled out a joint from my inside pocket. I said "this was given to me earlier it is a ".Marijuana joint." He said well im searching you for we have found drugs on you. I said "NO YOU HAVE NOT" found drugs on me for i supplemented you (as a gift) as you accepted it from me as i said i have nothing to hide. ....so there's no found about it. Well they did search me and my car and i made sure they repeated their numbers for the dictaphone. Now the only reason they pulled me over was because my car was 3 months out of TAX,(well that is my conclusion?) As he was searching me i said i did not consent to being searched and that if he looked on Dunn and Brad street the courts of justices are advertised as corporations and therefore this means contracts and they need consent.

So i said to the officer that i had a signed witnessed document in my file on the back seat by a Notarised Solicitor in Poole stating under article 61 i had in fact entered LAWFUL REBELLION! And that i am lawfully and legally bound by there instructions nor to comply with their orders and that if they also choose to not to respect this they as officers of the courts would be in-complicit with this act also so i must make you fully aware of this.

At this point another POLICE car pulled up with a lone male officer. The male officer briefed him on what had taken place. at this point my dictaphone cut off for i had used all the digital memory. The officer would not allow me to retrieve my dictaphone from the roof of the car to pre-record over another message. He was so relieved at the fact this went of. WELL Why would he not want me to record proceedings? I'M DOING HIM A HUGE FAVOUR! He then stopped me again and said "NO it's not nccessary, i've been fair with you and polite so i assure you this wont be needed and once we are happy we will let you be on your way. So i smiled and said "yes you have been polite and so forth ok lets move on"..

Well the school girl officer said is this registered to you? I said " it is registered to the PERSON". she never squabbled.

Well they then walked around waiting for a record check you know for the usual stuff like anything outstanding fines. Whilst this was going on the newly on the seen officer said to me "are you the bloke that is deeply into the MASONS? I said that depends on what you mean"....He said "well hold a deep knowledge of the MASONS? I said " something like that" as he said " i thought i knew your name from somewhere.

It came through as i over heard the officers radio as he had is had it switch to radio but the volume was really low. They then huddled together and muttered for a a few moments. By this time my Daughter was screaming with upset for i was not near the car in her view. Then one of the other male officers came over to me and said as i" imagine you wouldn't want to do all the paper work now and will want to get on what with your daughter screaming and the cold"

I said " of course". He then said he will give me a statement (search form) of the events of the search which will be at the police station for 12 months. At this point i said " 12 months i thought it was 14 days standard procedure? He said "NO listen to me" I will fill out what's happened tonight and the events and it will stay with the police station for 12 months ok. I said "erh ok...... meaning and....? please continue officer.

And he said ok again to me as i asked do you wish me to sign anything. He said "NO" your free to go!!!!!

As i left i explain very quickly about the truth of registering a child or a vehicle and that this was why the government have to pay child support for it is there property when point to fact EVERY CHILD ought be entitled to the benefit without having to sign anything. And the male officer was agreeing to what i had said regarding the truth of registering. I also said that this all can be found at Tpuc.org. And they looked at me and said "ok thanks in a calm voice as i went back to my untaxed car and made my Travelling journey.
PEOPLE do you realise if there is no signature then then is no contract. And NO CONTRACT = NO CASE Fact!!!!
All i can say is my approach was calm, with no malice and peaceful. I can only think that it must have been a case of where the officer had taken Notice of my previous statement of LAWFUL REBELLION

and that i had not consented at any time nor did i have any ID and i did tell the officers i was recording and gaining evidence. To which most of it was recorded.

And maybe as they was chatting they came to the conclusion that i was Knowledgeable????

And that maybe one of the officers Knew a thing or two about the truth of the deception "PERSON" and gave me the benefit of the doubt???

Or they just could not be doing with the paper work for they knew i was not going to make it easy for them as in the past i had sent NOTICE'S to the police in the past and never heard from them again regarding cutting them up and having no mot and below the limit tyres along with no invalid insurance for the mot was expired which was to the case. Yes mot had expired but it states in the EVENT of an accident should a party have no mot......... See! I had not had an accident! so i was insured.

So again i only imagine they must have record of this as a possibility to why they left it at that and let it go?

I will be sending Tpuc.org the recording of the incident up until it cut off to upload once i work out how to retrieve the messages to my computer. As for the record for those who leave reply message's-
(A) i have always smoked cannabis from time to time
(B) I have a excellent driving record overall.
(C) Had you seen clarkson and a guy did two driving tests one without cannabis the other with. And he had full points with a joint and a few points deducted when he had not had a joint!!!! Fact! But it had been Hours since i had travelled.. ( I wouldn't do that)
(D) If you study and research on how banks operate and government operate you will see what we are told as to where our money really goes and how much is really generated then you will learn the BIG SCAM!!! and see that i by not paying am doing no financial harm for i am decreasing the Debt and DVLA always create the liability but never send you the remedy such as a RET.
(REMITTANCE) commerce stuff.
(E) I LOVE MY SOIL and will defend it well against those whom wish to create conflict against my fellow Englishmen and Women and against Our fellow human cousins or brothers and sisters if you will by nature Blacks, Asians, religion and so forth that share our land in peace with us and CONTRIBUTE to our economy. (as many whites do not also)
And CANNOT allow mass Genocide and fund fake wars and support TRAITORS to this by feeding the machine MONEY that LEGALLY i am empowered from doing so (article 61) and have ethics unlike those in office.

That's all for now. and spread the word !!!!!!!! (Tpuc.org)

I think with minor things like being a few months overdue on renewing car tax, they probably couldn't be bothered. I've been stopped and let off for overdue or no car tax 3 times not by using Freeman stuff, just by saying i'd forgotten or had just bought the car in one case.

[girlgye]

From WFS:
I have done my NOUI and COR and sent them to the top 6 people in government, I used 3 witnesses instead of a notary but since have had my originals notarized just incase I ever (god for bid) have to go to court. I didn't receive a response, which is exactly what I wanted I then served a copy of the notice and claim of rights to my local police and all other police in Ontario with my fee-schedual highlighted, and nothing back from them either, so everyone has tacitly agreed and cured them, any trangressions will be a breach of contract. My dad was pulled over with his home made plates, had no insurance, no licence, no registration, had weed on him, and after a little harrassment and intimidation tactics they let him go and he drove away, so now we are currently going through the billing process (used a notary) for their breach of contract. Don't think they will be bothering us anymore... I also called the cops on myself to test my status for drinking in public and they appologized to me, I cheered them with my beer, and we went on our separate ways. If you would like a copy of the notice of understanding and intent and the claim of rights I used, send me a private message with your email and I will hook ya up Peace to you!

_________________
Namaste,

Joshua-Michael: Novak

Without prejudice. All rights reserved.
God bless you all!

[girlgye]

$67 million of student loans have been discharged in Canada mostly due to CoR discharge claims.

[yozhik]

he's pissed that he's been outed as a old lady beater of the mentally infirm and the said being his mother. Not nice. Omits this in all his stuff on here and on thinkfreeforums we have deduced.

Have you tried any of the FMOL stuff Yoshik? Had any success?

Technically; no.

Haven't tried.
Reason being, I'm still gathering the fruit, so haven't made it to the pressing stage yet.
Hell - I've only recently [truly] discovered how the term 'human being' entraps us ... any early attempts to serve Notice of Understanding and Claims of Right would have been LITTERED with that term, which would now be making me VERY uncomfortable.

All of the initial suggestions on here were "do not serve your NoI and CoR until you are 100% comfortable and they are YOUR words; don't just cut and paste".

So I've tried to be true to that.


Re: Commercial Redemption
I've fired a couple of A4V's off ... no joy, but to be fair - didn't expect to have success first time tried. Not because the process isn't sound, but because the bastards like to play games.


So I guess next on the menu to sample will be Treasury liquidation, follwed by commercial lien, if the Treasury tries anything silly.


Also related to the topic is the differences and similarities between FOTL and CR. I see benefits [wary of that word] in both avenues, so am still trying to settle on one or another. On one point they are diametrically and fundamentally opposed ... question being; which one is more realistic?

[david merrill]

I was driven to real remedy from doctrine going around the WFS today. What I mean is that the spotty and only hearsay testimony builds hopeful but faulty and incomplete belief sets. The most detailed success story found here is even hearsay in the original writing - it seems a son is writing what he heard from his father. So it is disqualified under the Hearsay Rule before it even made it to the WFS website!

There is an important concept in law called default - the modern term for judgment nihil dicit (he says nothing). It can be a very powerful tool when backed by proper clerical publication.

http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_Quiet_Rubber_Stamp_1.jpg
http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_Quiet_Rubber_Stamp_2.jpg
http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_Quiet_Default_Judgment_1.jpg
http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_Quiet_Default_Judgment_2.jpg

Quiet Rubber Stamp.

Pay particular attention to the clerk stampings. And that the US clerk of court mailed it directly to my clerk.


Regards,

David Merrill.

[griswald]

As a complete novice in the freeman philosophy, and always eager too learn, why is it that when interesting questions are asked relative to being a freeman, threads cosistently get derailed.

I,ve seen this time and time again on this forum, when the same question is asked. I,m not one side or the other on this one, as I dont know anything but the basic premise, but I would like to read up on the success stories of freemen, where can I go to do that.

I,ve seen very little so far on this thread that actually sticks to the thread topic. I,d like to learn more about the success,s. But to be honest its threads like this that make me turn off. And there are dozens of people on this forum that get the same reaction, and I,m talking about neophytes on the freeman path.

Totally confused, bemused and bewildered.:confused:

peace
griswald

[tien an]

As a complete novice in the freeman philosophy, and always eager too learn, why is it that when interesting questions are asked relative to being a freeman, threads cosistently get derailed.

I,ve seen this time and time again on this forum, when the same question is asked. I,m not one side or the other on this one, as I dont know anything but the basic premise, but I would like to read up on the success stories of freemen, where can I go to do that.

I,ve seen very little so far on this thread that actually sticks to the thread topic. I,d like to learn more about the success,s. But to be honest its threads like this that make me turn off. And there are dozens of people on this forum that get the same reaction, and I,m talking about neophytes on the freeman path.

Totally confused, bemused and bewildered.:confused:

peace
griswald

Hi griswald,

Your last paragraph above (in bold) is why you see threads being derailed. This is precisely the reason.
The people who do this are either mindless idiots spoiling for an argument, your common or garden 'troll', individuals who are still clinging to the 'system' because it's all they know (who can blame them really?), or, on a more sinister level, people who are paid to disrupt the spread of this information.

If you'd looked at this section of the forum about a year ago, you would have seen healthy debate going on. One poster (in particular) number6, used to present some really good arguments to test the veracity of the posts...now, it would seem that things have stepped up a gear or two...and taken a turn for the worse.

I, myself, was quite sceptical about the whole thing for a while until I began to do my own research and check the research of others.
You have to ask yourself though, how so many people can be in the financial situation they're in...without it being an engineered state of affairs.

In the seventies, it was quite possible for one parent to be the 'breadwinner', whereby the family had enough to live on, have a holiday and still save a bit for a rainy day...now, two adults have a hell of a job making ends meet and if (God forbid) one of them should fall ill or lose their job, the financial structure around them falls to pieces.

This engineered state of affairs is legal; it's backed by legislation which becomes statute...given the force of law. It is not law itself.
Law is really very simple: Do unto others as you would have done unto yourself.
Cause no harm, loss or injury. Use no fraud in your contracts.
Thinking about it for a moment, that concept covers just about everything, wouldn't you agree?
In this country (England) we have 'case law' or jurisprudence, whereby any (criminal) case that is ambiguous or doesn't quite fit in with the simple description above, is compared with other similar cases and the conclusion reached by the court is based on that comparison.
This system affords us a little flexibility; enough to be able to progress (we don't see anyone transported to a far-flung colony for stealing a loaf of bread), whilst at the same time providing a braking-system which stops the law being altered too quickly and controlling judges who would wish to do that.

Given that the 'movement' (not sure what to call it) is still in its infancy, you're not going to find many obvious success stories.
If the legal (not lawful) system has a good grip on things, it's not going to let go just because someone asks it to.
They're not going to throw their hands in the air and say 'You got me!'

Any claim against someone that doesn't make it to court (without an out-of-court settlement), or is dropped, thrown out of court by the judge...is a success.
Claims made by other entities, corporations (companies) such as NCP, who control parking throughout the country, which are cancelled, dropped or rescinded without a clear reason for doing so may also be claimed as 'success stories'.

There is also the (very real) fear of being accused of giving legal advice...
Legal advice can only be given by people who have studied the legal system and, by virtue of their academic degree and sworn oath are part of the Law Society. (A club...that makes the rules).
I hope you don't believe that 'laws' become so, in this country, because you or I have a say in the matter...?
The penalties for giving unauthorised legal advice are pretty stiff, which is why you won't see many on here (or on other sites) giving a perfectly clear picture of the situation.

Consider for a moment the fact that this may very well change the financial landscape of the world, and you will see that there are reasons, on both sides, for arguing.

Since the essence of being a Freeman-on-the-Land is being able to stand up for yourself, being able to present yourself (in a court of law), without re-presentation by a solicitor, barrister or other legal expert, it should be obvious that due diligence, doing your own research, educating yourself, is a prerequisite.

I only have one (minor) success, whereby I had a PCN cancelled.
I'm still unsure as to why it was cancelled, or why it took the company a three-page letter to tell me that it was cancelled...without being able to make it clear why.
At their discretion? Or is it because they thought it wouldn't stand up in court?
The PCN was for £120.00; a substantial sum that could easily have doubled or tripled if court costs had been included.

I'm guilty of rising to the bait set by the 'trolls' on this section of the forum.
I'm a victim of my own passion, because it is just that; a passion.
I want justice.
I want freedom.
I'm getting closer to it and I'm not going to have anyone block my way (without good reason and/or a good argument).

I hope that answers some of your questions.
(Take no notice of the fact that it sounds like I have a stick up my arse, the way I write...it's just me.)

All the best,
tian an.

PS There's a post from david merrill before mine...I don't know what it says, because I've got him on ignore. You can bet your bottom dollar he's protecting the system as it stands.

[griswald]

Hi griswald,

Your last paragraph above (in bold) is why you see threads being derailed. This is precisely the reason.
The people who do this are either mindless idiots spoiling for an argument, your common or garden 'troll', individuals who are still clinging to the 'system' because it's all they know (who can blame them really?), or, on a more sinister level, people who are paid to disrupt the spread of this information.

If you'd looked at this section of the forum about a year ago, you would have seen healthy debate going on. One poster (in particular) number6, used to present some really good arguments to test the veracity of the posts...now, it would seem that things have stepped up a gear or two...and taken a turn for the worse.

I, myself, was quite sceptical about the whole thing for a while until I began to do my own research and check the research of others.
You have to ask yourself though, how so many people can be in the financial situation they're in...without it being an engineered state of affairs.

In the seventies, it was quite possible for one parent to be the 'breadwinner', whereby the family had enough to live on, have a holiday and still save a bit for a rainy day...now, two adults have a hell of a job making ends meet and if (God forbid) one of them should fall ill or lose their job, the financial structure around them falls to pieces.

This engineered state of affairs is legal; it's backed by legislation which becomes statute...given the force of law. It is not law itself.
Law is really very simple: Do unto others as you would have done unto yourself.
Cause no harm, loss or injury. Use no fraud in your contracts.
Thinking about it for a moment, that concept covers just about everything, wouldn't you agree?
In this country (England) we have 'case law' or jurisprudence, whereby any (criminal) case that is ambiguous or doesn't quite fit in with the simple description above, is compared with other similar cases and the conclusion reached by the court is based on that comparison.
This system affords us a little flexibility; enough to be able to progress (we don't see anyone transported to a far-flung colony for stealing a loaf of bread), whilst at the same time providing a braking-system which stops the law being altered too quickly and controlling judges who would wish to do that.

Given that the 'movement' (not sure what to call it) is still in its infancy, you're not going to find many obvious success stories.
If the legal (not lawful) system has a good grip on things, it's not going to let go just because someone asks it to.
They're not going to throw their hands in the air and say 'You got me!'

Any claim against someone that doesn't make it to court (without an out-of-court settlement), or is dropped, thrown out of court by the judge...is a success.
Claims made by other entities, corporations (companies) such as NCP, who control parking throughout the country, which are cancelled, dropped or rescinded without a clear reason for doing so may also be claimed as 'success stories'.

There is also the (very real) fear of being accused of giving legal advice...
Legal advice can only be given by people who have studied the legal system and, by virtue of their academic degree and sworn oath are part of the Law Society. (A club...that makes the rules).
I hope you don't believe that 'laws' become so, in this country, because you or I have a say in the matter...?
The penalties for giving unauthorised legal advice are pretty stiff, which is why you won't see many on here (or on other sites) giving a perfectly clear picture of the situation.

Consider for a moment the fact that this may very well change the financial landscape of the world, and you will see that there are reasons, on both sides, for arguing.

Since the essence of being a Freeman-on-the-Land is being able to stand up for yourself, being able to present yourself (in a court of law), without re-presentation by a solicitor, barrister or other legal expert, it should be obvious that due diligence, doing your own research, educating yourself, is a prerequisite.

I only have one (minor) success, whereby I had a PCN cancelled.
I'm still unsure as to why it was cancelled, or why it took the company a three-page letter to tell me that it was cancelled...without being able to make it clear why.
At their discretion? Or is it because they thought it wouldn't stand up in court?
The PCN was for £120.00; a substantial sum that could easily have doubled or tripled if court costs had been included.

I'm guilty of rising to the bait set by the 'trolls' on this section of the forum.
I'm a victim of my own passion, because it is just that; a passion.
I want justice.
I want freedom.
I'm getting closer to it and I'm not going to have anyone block my way (without good reason and/or a good argument).

I hope that answers some of your questions.
(Take no notice of the fact that it sounds like I have a stick up my arse, the way I write...it's just me.)

All the best,
tian an.

PS There's a post from david merrill before mine...I don't know what it says, because I've got him on ignore. You can bet your bottom dollar he's protecting the system as it stands.


Thank you for your reply. It answers a lot of questions, and raises mor:)
I hope this thread stays on track .

griswald

[merlincove]

Where has David Merrill reply to my post gone, why has it been deleted.:confused:

griswald

As this thread had been derailed in regard to the OP, I have moved several posts into the rant room here:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=93782

Further off topic posts will be deleted and where applicable notices given to members who attempt a campaign to derail.

Cheers.

[merlincove]

i have my own success stories, in issuing well defined notices and taking up stance against terrier like solicitors and corporate entities, that I will share in the next few weeks, specifically success stories that have offered invaluable remedy from unscrupulous types who would have seen me hanged and homeless. I can not discuss them as yet due to personal reasons, but will be able to over the next few weeks or so.

Needless to say, freeman concepts and the overstanding they offer have afforded me great remedy.

[rob menard]

I have had a number of successes. I will recount my biggest three.

There was young man, 19 years of age, caught with coke. First charges, he was scared, had lost contact with his family, (a good 'christian' family of hardworking blue collar folks) I acted as his agent and secured the first ever diversion against cocaine possession charges. Diversion has been used for pot possession but never for harder stuff. It involved getting him back in contact with his folks, and the tearful reunion and change of heart was quite astounding. There was a series of letters written, he acknowledge and did some community service and moved back home with his folks, I helped him find employment doing construction, and the crown dropped all charges and all evidence of charges no longer exist. Thus he can travel to the states as opposed to what happens when you have a discharge. I consider this a big win for the positive effect achieved through this action. Standing in court, letting them all know that there was no way they were getting a piece of him without going through me first and seeing the look in the judges face, and the prosecutors arrogance turned to respect after a few phone calls, caused me to really think I had done good.

There was a hunter, who was out hunting for sustenance. He came across a Conservation Officer who asked for license and stuff. Not having any the CO took the mans firearm. He was ok with it and told him that he had 12 more at home and would just go get one and come back out. CO said he would keep taking the mans firearms. Man said that will work until you get to the last firearm, then you will be getting the bullets. CO did not like this and reported him to the RCMp and SWAT team descended upon his house. He had plants growing and ended up facing 12 charges. Everything from threatening a peace officer, possession, cultivation, trafficking, careless storage of firearm, unregistered firearms, etc. It was at this point I met him.

He was a smart cookie and picked up on the logic and reasoning quickly. He served them with a NUI and COR and Fee Schedule, and they called him back within 3 days to talk. They had an agreement for him to sign, which he did. In it they agreed to drop all charges, return all property, and he agreed to not speak to any CO's if he saw them in the bush whilst he was hunting. He is now a Freeman-on-the-Land and hunts regularly without permit or license and his small personal grow op is unmolested last I heard.

The other big win I point to is the discharge of $67.5 Million worth of Student loans which the government of BC discharged by set-off after I had started an action and started teaching people about the student loan set-off option. Many of the people going through the process had their loans completely discharged, and although the government did not point to our actions, the people bringing the action all found satisfaction, and those who did not make the initial government cut, now have the opportunity to point to the governments forgiveness and since there is simply no legislative function allowing for the people in the government to arbitrarily decide that a single mom can have her loans set-off but a single bloke cannot they cannot be denied remedy as well. Equality and all that.

So those are three of my most memorable.

Rob

[dharmic one]

i have my own success stories, in issuing well defined notices and taking up stance against terrier like solicitors and corporate entities, that I will share in the next few weeks, specifically success stories that have offered invaluable remedy from unscrupulous types who would have seen me hanged and homeless. I can not discuss them as yet due to personal reasons, but will be able to over the next few weeks or so.

Needless to say, freeman concepts and the overstanding they offer have afforded me great remedy.

I am looking forward to you sharing these things with us when you are ready!

I am glad that girlgye has started this and I have been reading these threads with fascination. One issue that I feel comes up again and again (especially in response to demands for proof from all the skeptics) is success.

Skepticism is essential if we are to determine our own truths but rebuttals to propositions made by the FMOTL concepts are a combination of fear based arguments (you can't do that you will lose everything!/ Don't rock the boat or you will fall in - possibly taking everyone else with you) and/or ad hominem pokes at the user making the proposition.

However, that is not to say that convincing "proof" of many of the claims posited by the proponents of the ideas has been divulged in overwhelming amounts of detail re the successes people have enjoyed. I have noticed many people making extraordinary claims that I myself have not seen much actual "proof" of. Youtube vids claiming people are paying off their mortgages but they refuse to elaborate in any detail (as is their prerogative...)

So I am sure many on here may agree that success in these areas of life is, like everything else we experience in this world - relative. Their are some staunch opponents of these theories who will, no matter how much any affirmation is "proven" by the proposer, deny that any sort of success is possible. This is fine with me for we all live a life that is the co-existence of all opposing forces. Without the skeptics life would be a boring place indeed. I believe skepticism to be the nascence of revolution. It is free will that gives us the power to choose what to be skeptical about.

One thing I am very grateful for learning from RM's videos is the importance of the language that I write and speak. How I convey my ideas, thoughts and position with an adversary in any walk of life has changed. So much so that I am willing to propose the following theory;

The law is not simply codified in a certain manner hidden away in a certain place. Winning cases in court or out of court is not simply a matter of what the law says.........just as important is the credibility of the opposing arguments and/or the interpretation of the law by the judge/s involved.

Put simply, I believe the law to be what I can successfully argue it to be! If I make a sound argument in court and am polite, peaceful and have divulged all the info and form needed to enter into such a solemn process I will win! If I don't win I should be prepared to accept the consequences. the difference will be my commitment to discovering the remedy and being confident in my beliefs.

I believe that freedom is a pursuit that begins with the "re-education" of the individual first, with a view to bettering oneself as well as the world around us.

[rob menard]

Well said.

[david merrill]

Understanding this is hearsay;

One suitor had prepared his evidence repository pursuant to a counterclaim process in admiralty called "Libel of Review" and Refused for Cause a few charges accrued while traveling pursuant to the uniform understanding about right of refusal Rob speaks of at Minute Mark 53 of Magnificent Deception.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6729904244308031068&hl=en

He refused the presentments timely and was responsible enough to make sure they worked. Most of the time the suitor ('saving to suitors' clause of 1789) can just go to sleep and forget about it but this one was suspicious that the chief of police did not send the R4C onward to the court - that the court was being defrauded. So he got a certified copy of his R4C from the US clerk of court and went to the proposed arraignment, to the courthouse on the day he was supposed to settle the charges (discharge).

He had three options; 1) his last chance to plead guilty - the cashier. 2) go work out a (guilty) plea bargain with the ADA (assistant District Attorney) or 3) plead Not Guilty to the judge and set up a date for trial. He mistakenly chose "2)" and showed the ADA the R4C and the ADA called all the other ADA's to come ridicule it with him. The ADA set up a trial date for the judge interpreting the reluctance to plead, Not Guilty. When the suitor and his witness (another suitor) did not want to take the certified copy of the R4C back, they ceremoniously dropped it into the wastebasket laughing all the way. So he called me from in front of the courthouse to ask, What now?

I told him he needed to get that R4C to the judge restricted appearance under Rule E(8) and inform the judge he was avoiding a fraud on the court. That is to say the chief of police had not forwarded critical papers to the court. He was distressed because he would have to drive 20 minutes back home to get another R4C copy from the US clerk of court. I told him to go fish that copy out of the ADA's wastebasket so he and his witness went back in.

The ADA's were bluffing and had already sent the R4C up to the judge on the fifth floor. So the suitors went up in the public elevators and the ADA beat them to the courtroom and was there getting the R4C back from the clerk of court. The ADA turned it over to the suitor and he was called in the legal name and stood in front of the podium (he is Messianic Jewish and felt the podium was too altar-like) and explained his restricted appearance and the judge invited him up to the bench to tender the paper. He gave it to the judge, he looked it over and put it in the case jacket saying, Okay.

A couple weeks later the suitor went to the courthouse and asked to see the two cases. The clerk had consolidated both cases into one jacket and all that was in it was the certified copy of the R4C.



Regards,

David Merrill.


P.S. When the suitor gave the officer a driver license card he stipulated; I am not giving you this card for identification purposes. That is not my name on it. That would only be important had this gotten to trial.

The real success stories are when the suitor's head hits the pillow, after a properly executed and witnessed R4C and forgets about it.

[girlgye]

Nope day 5 of the pounding on the door and wahey. All the chickens debtors have come home to roost. Might just be that Default sitting in Liverpool Court doing it.

Course if I listen to you David I"d never get anywhere. Well done Rob.
Actually.
The LAW IS STRICT. End of. If it is nebulous, then the interpretation, is usually ruled in favour of the plaintiff. Directions are given to the plastic officials (govt) to re codify.

Try taking your nebulous philosophy in court and see how far it gets you. Oh and politeness counts for nothing when the hounds have been given orders not to obey the mandates of any freeman/redemption/patriot/yawn lawful rebellion - ist/commercial remedy arse walks into their court room. Here I mean there is a man is it Lord Ashcroft someone anyway has issued a mandate to tell the courts not to give us any remedy.

See any success in the UK recently.

Ok Yoshik make more sense now?

[yozhik]

I think I need to get me a scouse translator :confused:

[david merrill]

Nope day 5 of the pounding on the door and wahey. All the chickens debtors have come home to roost. Might just be that Default sitting in Liverpool Court doing it.



I am glad you are staving off the bounty hunters then, presuming it has been five days with no door pounding.

At the end of my last post I touched on proper identification. No hyphens or colons. Just the first and middle names:


http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_NameDefinition.jpg
http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_Name_legal.jpg

Early this year a suitor phoned me and she had just been stopped by a female motorcycle cop so I reminded her to say, I am not giving you this driver licence card for ID purposes; it is just for competency and to show that I can make a claim with my insurance company in case of an accident. After a moment a male motorcycle cop joined her and after discussion they gave her multiple citations, she noticed they both signed the ticket. The female on the left in the primary arresting officer position.

When it came to trial, only a male officer arrived and said that he was the officer who pulled her over. They were playing a shell game with the officer she identified herself to. Since the officer perjured himself on the stand and the ticket shows the truth, her appeal is strong; as of yesterday they defaulted on the extension they needed. That is looking real good.

I promote that people sign thier licenses in thier true name. And if there is room in this form:

First Middle dba LAST, FIRST MIDDLE or however they have it entered into commerce. First Middle Last is offered the fiduciary responsibility for the FIRST MIDDLE LAST constructive trust and if he does not clarify that at the initial stop, he will be assumed so in any subsequent appearance.

You can believe me or not but expecting public officials to be your clerk with papering Packagesare definitely hit and miss. Whereas you just identify yourself correctly and securing the person, or avoiding that mess, are there for you by right as a man or woman.


Regards,

David Merrill.

[yozhik]

Cheers GG ... sure would like to sight this 'mandate' you refer to.

[girlgye]

So if you open the door you will be arrested? I thought you meant that the default was effective. Sorry.


Er Do keep up David. If I open the door they will walk into my trashy home and sniffle around like pigs for anything they can sell.

Now there seems to be a lot of debts being called in. Debts that in estoppel and my guess is this a big huff and puff I'll blow your house down gang raid in order to stop that Certificate reaching them by Wednesday. Yes it has worked as I am now diverted in a refused for cause letter crafted by yourself which although I'm not up on American laws I'm looking up fiscal history right now and I'm thinking you may be off base with your case law points in the letter you so lovingly and unselfishly handed me to assist in my horror over there on thinkfree.

Not that I don't trust you implicitly it's kinda hard when I see sarcy barbed tones almost revelling in the fact that I might not be able to post.

I'd say my letters really pissed them off and they are trying to distract me while they get the Specials in to analyse what the heck I'm on about. Also the papering package was left with the court regarding filing of the default against the man who authorised the theft of my car and I guess the Court Manager thinks they can just stick the knife into me. so I have a surprise!

Hey I'm given to understand liens don't need to be filed in the courts whatsoever. Is that correct in your indominatable wisdom Davide? hmmm?

[girlgye]

A lien - French meaning Leek. informal 'tie'

Now that vicious spate of thuggery going around the British Isles at the moment you know 'theft of car and destruction of car' within literally weeks. How do you s'pose they get to do all that and without a judge.

Consider.

[girlgye]

From xxxin or Freecell on thinkfreeforums.org;) Gotta be prepared for beatings folks.
Yep, got 'stopped', cop accepted full commercial liablity verbally TWICE, gave me an order to get out, accepted the fee of 5,000 dollars, payable in Gold and silver coin only (report even says that). The man I had with me during the kiddnapping is, guess what? An off duty Peace officer and one of my good friends, hears it all and will testify to the officers unconditional acceptance of fees!!

I ask for a supervisor and inform him of his officers commercial liablity and the fact they are in vilation of the Law of the land, and only enforcing the policies of an Incorporated state without my consent and thus subjecting me to involuntary servitude and I reserved my right to charge them for everything that happens from that point on. He litterally says "Go ahead, you cant get blood from a turnip.

I said, I am not talking to a turnip, I am talking to a man, in violation of his oath of office and holding me, a free man, on the land, not subject to your jursidiction against my will and without my consent. You will pay me, I do not understand you or your charges, blah blah, I gave no name, nothing but 'commonly known as' and that I did not know my date of birth...

Went to jail, got beat up by 3 detention officers and a Police officer there, chained to a bench for about 12 hours, held in jail for the next 3 days. Posted cash bond, finaly gave in to booking so I could get out, signed under duress on prints/DNA
When I was taken in front of a justice of the peace, I said "On and for the record, I am a man, standing on dry land and here as a victim of kiddnapping. The Justice said "what is your name" I say, on and for the record, I am commonly known as XXXtin. "What is your last name?" "commonly known as xxxtin" "what is your LEGAL NAME?" "I am commonly known as XXXtin XXXher." "MISTER XXXHER..." "On and for the record I am not a MISTER"
Remove the defendant from the court! "On and for the record, the Defendant has not been identified" "Yes, he has! YOU Identified yourself! "On and for the record, do you have a Bond, judge?" At that, they pulled me out, cuffed and fast!
They gave me the court papers it said "unable to sign".
Fast forward, to next day, bonded out with cash bond, Went to court today, no charges filed, no case in the system. Public defender looks at the court papers and says "What is this? There is no jurisdiction, nothing, no case, no charges."

We go directly to the Superiour court Judge, walks in, gets me up there, I tell them I want to leave the state for Chirstmas. Judge reads the charges, tells me I can go if I come back. I autoghraph the paper they hand me "By: Xxxxxx Xxxxxx without prejudice" the clerk of the court is taken back, telling the guy I went in there with, "there is no case, I cannot enter anything into the computer, there is no hearing I can schedual, I cannot enter anything." The guy tells her, 'Dont worry about it, the judge says its ok." Something was up with that, I do not think this guy was a public defender, we never exchanged names or anything, but he sure as hell knew who I was and bent over backwards to get me
PT 3. I am not kidding, I was in and out of there in 30 min today. The guy kept telling me, the birth certificate is YOU! I just smiled as I knew we were not on the record and played dumb. This guy was smart, way too smart for a low level public defender. All I know is I wanted to get out of the state on the 12/16 and I did not want to miss the 2 dates the court papers said the Defendant had. When this guy walked into that court room, every court actor took notice, he did not ask to do anything, he did it, even their Judge was moving for him before he said anything. He was someone to them, for sure.

As for me, I had no expectations of anything but jail, I made that choice when I got into this, I know the risks, I was a Peace officer, remember? I was very careful not to invoke violence, but the animals in detention did not care. That is the risk, sometimes, the lions bite, even when you do not kick them. That is a sacrifice we make on the front lines, I slept on cold cement floors and ate little for the entire 3 days it was not something I want to do again. But like I said, I know others who have had it much worse then I. The county Detention officers were professional and kept me safe. I went into general population, AFTER I told them I was prior LE, when they released me, they questioned me about that.

I am safe, at home, now, but this is not over yet.

BTW, I have to avoid contact with the "victim" how do I avoid contacting the STATE? hmmm.

They still have the bond, I need to get it back, but for now, I am leaving to be with loved ones for the pagan days. (Holidays if that offends the non-pagans :)

What IS interesting, is the Judge today put the name not in all caps. Not that it means anything, but they sure seemed to know who I was when I called. In one of the largest counties and most populated counties in the land of arizona, that is very, very telling to me.

People in very high places are all over this, it was clear to me, it is bothering me...

[zhenshanren]

From xxxin or Freecell on thinkfreeforums.org;) Gotta be prepared for beatings folks.
Yep, got 'stopped', cop accepted full commercial liablity verbally TWICE, gave me an order to get out, accepted the fee of 5,000 dollars, payable in Gold and silver coin only (report even says that). The man I had with me during the kiddnapping is, guess what? An off duty Peace officer and one of my good friends, hears it all and will testify to the officers unconditional acceptance of fees!!

I ask for a supervisor and inform him of his officers commercial liablity and the fact they are in vilation of the Law of the land, and only enforcing the policies of an Incorporated state without my consent and thus subjecting me to involuntary servitude and I reserved my right to charge them for everything that happens from that point on. He litterally says "Go ahead, you cant get blood from a turnip.

I said, I am not talking to a turnip, I am talking to a man, in violation of his oath of office and holding me, a free man, on the land, not subject to your jursidiction against my will and without my consent. You will pay me, I do not understand you or your charges, blah blah, I gave no name, nothing but 'commonly known as' and that I did not know my date of birth...

Went to jail, got beat up by 3 detention officers and a Police officer there, chained to a bench for about 12 hours, held in jail for the next 3 days. Posted cash bond, finaly gave in to booking so I could get out, signed under duress on prints/DNA
When I was taken in front of a justice of the peace, I said "On and for the record, I am a man, standing on dry land and here as a victim of kiddnapping. The Justice said "what is your name" I say, on and for the record, I am commonly known as XXXtin. "What is your last name?" "commonly known as xxxtin" "what is your LEGAL NAME?" "I am commonly known as XXXtin XXXher." "MISTER XXXHER..." "On and for the record I am not a MISTER"
Remove the defendant from the court! "On and for the record, the Defendant has not been identified" "Yes, he has! YOU Identified yourself! "On and for the record, do you have a Bond, judge?" At that, they pulled me out, cuffed and fast!
They gave me the court papers it said "unable to sign".
Fast forward, to next day, bonded out with cash bond, Went to court today, no charges filed, no case in the system. Public defender looks at the court papers and says "What is this? There is no jurisdiction, nothing, no case, no charges."

We go directly to the Superiour court Judge, walks in, gets me up there, I tell them I want to leave the state for Chirstmas. Judge reads the charges, tells me I can go if I come back. I autoghraph the paper they hand me "By: Xxxxxx Xxxxxx without prejudice" the clerk of the court is taken back, telling the guy I went in there with, "there is no case, I cannot enter anything into the computer, there is no hearing I can schedual, I cannot enter anything." The guy tells her, 'Dont worry about it, the judge says its ok." Something was up with that, I do not think this guy was a public defender, we never exchanged names or anything, but he sure as hell knew who I was and bent over backwards to get me
PT 3. I am not kidding, I was in and out of there in 30 min today. The guy kept telling me, the birth certificate is YOU! I just smiled as I knew we were not on the record and played dumb. This guy was smart, way too smart for a low level public defender. All I know is I wanted to get out of the state on the 12/16 and I did not want to miss the 2 dates the court papers said the Defendant had. When this guy walked into that court room, every court actor took notice, he did not ask to do anything, he did it, even their Judge was moving for him before he said anything. He was someone to them, for sure.

As for me, I had no expectations of anything but jail, I made that choice when I got into this, I know the risks, I was a Peace officer, remember? I was very careful not to invoke violence, but the animals in detention did not care. That is the risk, sometimes, the lions bite, even when you do not kick them. That is a sacrifice we make on the front lines, I slept on cold cement floors and ate little for the entire 3 days it was not something I want to do again. But like I said, I know others who have had it much worse then I. The county Detention officers were professional and kept me safe. I went into general population, AFTER I told them I was prior LE, when they released me, they questioned me about that.

I am safe, at home, now, but this is not over yet.

BTW, I have to avoid contact with the "victim" how do I avoid contacting the STATE? hmmm.

They still have the bond, I need to get it back, but for now, I am leaving to be with loved ones for the pagan days. (Holidays if that offends the non-pagans :)

What IS interesting, is the Judge today put the name not in all caps. Not that it means anything, but they sure seemed to know who I was when I called. In one of the largest counties and most populated counties in the land of arizona, that is very, very telling to me.

People in very high places are all over this, it was clear to me, it is bothering me...

Thank you for writing that all out GG.

I have a much better picture now. Great work.

[girlgye]

Psst dont tell Zarah she's a really astute lawyer.;)

[fotheringsmirth]

From xxxin or Freecell on thinkfreeforums.org;) Gotta be prepared for beatings folks.
Yep, got 'stopped', cop accepted full commercial liablity verbally TWICE, gave me an order to get out, accepted the fee of 5,000 dollars, payable in Gold and silver coin only (report even says that). The man I had with me during the kiddnapping is, guess what? An off duty Peace officer and one of my good friends, hears it all and will testify to the officers unconditional acceptance of fees!!

I ask for a supervisor and inform him of his officers commercial liablity and the fact they are in vilation of the Law of the land, and only enforcing the policies of an Incorporated state without my consent and thus subjecting me to involuntary servitude and I reserved my right to charge them for everything that happens from that point on. He litterally says "Go ahead, you cant get blood from a turnip.

I said, I am not talking to a turnip, I am talking to a man, in violation of his oath of office and holding me, a free man, on the land, not subject to your jursidiction against my will and without my consent. You will pay me, I do not understand you or your charges, blah blah, I gave no name, nothing but 'commonly known as' and that I did not know my date of birth...

Went to jail, got beat up by 3 detention officers and a Police officer there, chained to a bench for about 12 hours, held in jail for the next 3 days. Posted cash bond, finaly gave in to booking so I could get out, signed under duress on prints/DNA
When I was taken in front of a justice of the peace, I said "On and for the record, I am a man, standing on dry land and here as a victim of kiddnapping. The Justice said "what is your name" I say, on and for the record, I am commonly known as XXXtin. "What is your last name?" "commonly known as xxxtin" "what is your LEGAL NAME?" "I am commonly known as XXXtin XXXher." "MISTER XXXHER..." "On and for the record I am not a MISTER"
Remove the defendant from the court! "On and for the record, the Defendant has not been identified" "Yes, he has! YOU Identified yourself! "On and for the record, do you have a Bond, judge?" At that, they pulled me out, cuffed and fast!
They gave me the court papers it said "unable to sign".
Fast forward, to next day, bonded out with cash bond, Went to court today, no charges filed, no case in the system. Public defender looks at the court papers and says "What is this? There is no jurisdiction, nothing, no case, no charges."

We go directly to the Superiour court Judge, walks in, gets me up there, I tell them I want to leave the state for Chirstmas. Judge reads the charges, tells me I can go if I come back. I autoghraph the paper they hand me "By: Xxxxxx Xxxxxx without prejudice" the clerk of the court is taken back, telling the guy I went in there with, "there is no case, I cannot enter anything into the computer, there is no hearing I can schedual, I cannot enter anything." The guy tells her, 'Dont worry about it, the judge says its ok." Something was up with that, I do not think this guy was a public defender, we never exchanged names or anything, but he sure as hell knew who I was and bent over backwards to get me
PT 3. I am not kidding, I was in and out of there in 30 min today. The guy kept telling me, the birth certificate is YOU! I just smiled as I knew we were not on the record and played dumb. This guy was smart, way too smart for a low level public defender. All I know is I wanted to get out of the state on the 12/16 and I did not want to miss the 2 dates the court papers said the Defendant had. When this guy walked into that court room, every court actor took notice, he did not ask to do anything, he did it, even their Judge was moving for him before he said anything. He was someone to them, for sure.

As for me, I had no expectations of anything but jail, I made that choice when I got into this, I know the risks, I was a Peace officer, remember? I was very careful not to invoke violence, but the animals in detention did not care. That is the risk, sometimes, the lions bite, even when you do not kick them. That is a sacrifice we make on the front lines, I slept on cold cement floors and ate little for the entire 3 days it was not something I want to do again. But like I said, I know others who have had it much worse then I. The county Detention officers were professional and kept me safe. I went into general population, AFTER I told them I was prior LE, when they released me, they questioned me about that.

I am safe, at home, now, but this is not over yet.

BTW, I have to avoid contact with the "victim" how do I avoid contacting the STATE? hmmm.

They still have the bond, I need to get it back, but for now, I am leaving to be with loved ones for the pagan days. (Holidays if that offends the non-pagans :)

What IS interesting, is the Judge today put the name not in all caps. Not that it means anything, but they sure seemed to know who I was when I called. In one of the largest counties and most populated counties in the land of arizona, that is very, very telling to me.

People in very high places are all over this, it was clear to me, it is bothering me...

Getting arrested, going to jail and being put in front of a judge is somehow a success story?

[dolores1]

I have 8 success stories. I would like you to know about but I have a problem with the alphabet soup?

What do all these mean please?

D.

[kev1111]

Apologies for the really long post if that bothers anyone but what you have here is a full story....

[Originally posted on www.tirnasaor.com]

Hey everyone,

I know people have been wondering what was going on with this and i've been keeping quiet until I found out what would happen today. So what follows is the full story from start to finish

As many of you know I was arrested for sitting on the grass in Saint Stephens Green in Dublin on the 11th of October. Click here to see the video footage of what happened.

I know the following is somewhere else on the site but just for the sake of reference here is the statement of events from the 11th of September which was served to the Garda Ombudsman and the Court Records prior to my first Court Appearance Participation. (This is why you can hear the Judge saying in the video "over the lunch I had a chance to read your letter etc.."). I also handed a copy of this document to the arresting Garda in Court and witnessed him reading it in the Court.


Know This:
Statement of events from 1 of October 2009
By Kevin-John: F:-
I who am known as Kevin-John of the F Family, being a peaceful man of lawful
age, with sound mind, flesh and blood body with God given soul, do declare the following to
be true and accurate to the best of my knowledge and ability, so help me God, as God as my
witness. Take note that I am writing in the common understanding of the English language.
On the 11th of October 2009 at approximately 15:50pm on a sunny afternoon I was
sitting peacefully with some friends on the grass in Saint Stephens Green in Dublin. An Officer
of Public works approached us and told us to move from where we were sitting. When we
asked "why?" he mentioned something about a 'bye-law and walked away. Moments
afterwards four security guard's approached us, and using aggressive tones and raised voices
began telling us to move. My friend calmly tried to engage in dialogue with the Officers of
Public Works and asked questions to clarify the situation. These ‘public servants' then
proceeded to imitate and mock us. The biggest of the four men then verbally threatened my
friend named Keith. At which point my friend named Rowan decided to place a call to the
Gardai to notify them of such behaviour. He called 999 at 15:57 to report this.
It is my understanding that a Bye-law is defined as a rule of a corporation and
corporations are fictional, legal entities that require contracts in order to obtain authority over
other parties.

When the Garda Siochana arrived Rowan began explaining the situation to one Garda
who listened calmly to what he was saying. At which point a second Garda, John Michael
Donnelly appeared, stood over me in an intimidating, overbearing way and from the offset
had a raised tone in his voice and began shouting at me. While he was shouting I would quietly
wait until he had finished and I would attempt to respond to him. He just began shouting over
me again and would not listen. I must point out here that there were several people recording
this on their cameras and I have audio visual evidence to back up what I am saying plus several
witnesses who would be willing to testify to this. These videos are now circulating on line and I
have provided you with a disk of these videos as evidence.
Two further officers arrived at the scene and along with Garda JD, it is apparent to me that that they abused their authority and breached the peace through their own actions. Physical force and aggression was used against me, unprovoked and unjustifiably! Several times I calmly asked Garda JD to "please don't touch me, remove your hand" [this can be heard in the video evidence]. However he continued to hold me.

It is my understanding that I have the power, and the freedom to refuse intercourse or
interaction with a member of an Garda Siochana who has not witnessed me breaching the
Peace.

Garda JD acknowledged he had an Oath of Office when asked. I accepted his Oath of Office. I said clearly, specifically and 'several times that Garda JD was breaching his Oath of Office [it is my belief that he had vacated his office and relinquished his Powers through his own actions], was acting unlawfully and if he continues that I can arrest him. He responded saying "no you can't" and proceeded to arrest me. Garda JD proceeded to arrest me with the knowledge that he was breaching his Oath of Office! It is apparent to me that, Garda JD abused his position and authority and committed an unlawful arrest. The Female Garda approached the vicinity and said "just arrest him". She grabbed my arm and used physical force to put it behind my back. This, I felt to be a crime.
Garda JD did not inform me of any charges or discuss my Rights before doing so. I felt, although it will be apparent in the video that a Female Garda also used what seemed to me to be excessive force against in order to secure my arrest. I was happy I had committed no crime. Approximately six Garda Siochana - which translates as Guardians of the Peace were, called to deal with this situation, and it was the officers in question that breached the peace and not I or my friends! I believe this is backed up by the audio visual evidence.

I was placed into the squad car and Garda JD sat beside me in the back. I turned and said to him, directly: "All men are born equal and equality before the Law is Paramount, you and me are equals here". He did not seem to like that comment and the Garda told me to (Shut up!' The arresting Female Garda and another Garda (driving) got into the front and we started travelling. I began to quote the Garda Oath to the best of my knowledge and recollection, in order to inform them of their actions which appeared to me to be unlawful. At which point the Gardai in the front began yelling at me to "Shut up!" The male Garda driving than said: "Shut up you scumbag ... scumbag shut up! Get a haircut goofy!"-I felt this was unacceptable behaviour by a member of an Garda Siochana, who has sworn an Oath to act with fairness, integrity, impartiality and regards for human rights etc! I do not think I should be treated in this manner. After that every comment I made - The two Gardai in the front - [Garda JDhad gone quiet at this point] responded with
derogatory insults, imitated me and mocked me.

In a Garda station, at the time I did not know which, when asked for my name and an address I asked the Female Garda in the hatch "has a crime been committed?", she responded saying "you're not going to give me your details are you?". I said clearly "for and on the record I am here under duress", at which point the arresting Female Garda started to laugh loudly saying "what prisoner isn't here under duress?" I feel this officer accepted my duress. I stated No crime has been committed and it was best if I reserved my Right to remain silent. The male Garda who had been driving then approached me in an aggressive tone and told me firmly to empty my pockets. I was scared of him, but said "If you want my pockets emptied you can do it". He snapped at me to take of my belt, he opened it and began to force it off me by pulling it. I stated "for and on the record I do not consent to any searches" when the Garda proceeded I stated "this is an unlawful search" he responded saying "yeah it is". I believe he conducted an unlawful search without my consent. When, I was read the Miranda Rights by the Female Garda on the desk I stated ifl do not understand, I do not stand-under anything you have said". I was then forced to go to a smelly prison cell by the same male Garda that
searched me.

After approximately thirty minutes a senior Garda whom I believe was the highest ranking officer in the station at that time, opened the hatch on the door and began shouting, using abusive words and aggressive language in an attempt to coerce me into disclosing an address. I was unable to clearly hear what he was saying as he was speaking quickly and too loudly, I approached the hatch to speak with the Garda to try to settle the matter. I asked him "what will happen if I do not give you my details?" At this point the senior Garda threatened me with further incarceration, a court appearance in the morning and mentioned Clover Hill Prison. This scared me. I said to this Senior Garda that I am trying to speak to you respectfully, as he continued to shout at me. I asked what crime had been committed? He referred to an Act and called me a 'Person', I corrected him saying I am a Free Man - he said "you're stupid!" and slammed the hatch loudly.

After thirty more minutes, approximately, another Garda entered the Cell. This Garda was the only member who spoke to me in a respectful tone. He addressed me as "Mr. F". I said to him I am not a 'Mr' and he may call me 'Kevin'. He asked me to explain what had happened and I proceeded to go over the details, as outlined above, beginning with the Officers of Public Works in Saint Stephens Green and I re-iterated to this Garda that a call will be logged with the Gardai by my friend and that I felt his colleagues, particularly Garda JD abused their authority, breached the peace, breached their Oath of Office and failed to uphold Bunreacht na hEireann. This Garda then advised me that they could not release me unless I gave them an address -I was given No choice in this matter and was coerced into disclosing my address for fear of further imprisonment. This Garda then left the cell where I waited for a further hour, approximately.

A Female Garda then came and opened my cell. I walked to the hatch with her, whereupon Garda EO proceeded to go through some charges which she claimed were now being brought against me. She claimed there were three in total and she asked me for a comment after each.

Charge 1
Having been found in (a) public place by a member of the Garda Siochana, namely John
Donnelly Garda, who suspected with reasonable cause, that you - had been acting in a manner
contrary to the provisions of section 6 of the criminal justice (public order) Act 1994 and having
been directed by the said member of the Garda Siochana to leave a immediately the vicinity of
the place concerned in a peaceable and orderly manner did without lawful authority or
reasonable excuse failed to comply with the direction given by the said member of the Garda
Siochana.
Contrary to section 8 of the Criminal Justice Act 1994
After Garda EO spoke, I said "l have Lawful excuse".
Charqe2
... did use or engage in threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour with intent
to provoke a breach of the Peace or being wreck less as to whether a breach of the Peace
might have been occasioned.
Contrary to section 6 of the Criminal Justice (Public Order) Act 1994
After Garda EO spoke, I said "does Garda John Donnelly realise that the
events were recorded and that that is a lie?" Garda EO replied "l can't discuss
that".
Charqe3
... did, following a demand made by Garda John Donnellv, a member of An Garda
Siochana exercising his powers under section 24(2) of the Criminal Justice (Public Order) Act
1994 failed to provide the said member with your name and address.
Contrary to section 24(3) and (4) of the Criminal Justice (Public Order) Act 1994
After Garda EO spoke, I asked if she was aware of Article 41.1.1 of
Bunreacht Na hEireann which states I have "invincible and inalienable rights which are more
ancient and higher than any human statute"? Garda EO made no comment to
this.

The way I see it, all Acts are Statutes restricted in scope and applicability by Bunreacht
na hEireann and said scope and applicability is limited to members and agents of the
Government and any and any/all organs of the state.
I know that existing peacefully within my Community standards does not breach the
Peace.

Art 41.1.1 Bunreacht Na hEireann (Direct translation from Irish Text)
The state acknowledges that the Family is the basic primary sub-group of/for society
according to nature. And that it is a moral institution which has inalienable and
invincible rights which are more ancient and higher than any human statute.
I did not see Garda EO take note of any of these comments.
I stated clearly once again that "This is an unlawful arrest, I have done nothing wrong, I
was sitting on the grass, I have not committed any crime, and You know I should not be here."
When asked to sign a piece of paper I asked once again "What happens if I don't sign this?"
Garda EO snapped at me to "Just sign it!" or I would be "thrown back into the
cell", I signed out of fear. I attempted to sign this 'Under Duress'. Garda EO then
put her pen flat down on the page making it difficult for me to sign, but I still did. I informed
her she is preventing me from signing my signature and she repeated "sign it or you're going
in the cell". I wrote 'Under Duress' on the line and signed through it.


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After I had signed this and was released from custody, I said to Garda EO
that "l would now like to report a crime" - Garda EO said "No, you're not
reporting a crime" (!), and refused to take my complaint. It is my understanding that members
of an Garda Siochana are obligated to accept and record any criminal complaint. I then asked
for the badge numbers of all the Peace Keepers who were on duty and involved in the case.
Garda EO refused me these details! It is also my understanding that a member
of ari Garda Siochana is obliged, if when asked, to disclose it.

I was upset at the time because of my treatment and because I had been called a
scumbag earlier I asked her if I was "like the average scumbag they drag in off the street?" she
replied saying "No you're worse" and turned away from me. The Senior Peace Keeper whom I
mentioned earlier then proceeded to tell me to "get out" and that I was "wasting their time" I
told him 11Ididn't want to come here, you brought me here, you are wasting my time". He told
me "you need the Geneva Convention" (7). I advised "Bunreacht na hEireann was good
enough for me" and left the station.

The following morning (12 of October 2009) at 11:42AM I rang Harcourt Street Garda
Station to try to clarify the badge numbers of the Garda Siochana who were on duty at the
time, if they are obliged to disclose their badge numbers, and take the report of a crime? With
the Guards permission, I recorded this conversation. The Garda Siochana I was talking too
repetitiously said "l don't know about the case" instead of answering the questions posed and
as such could not give me the badge numbers requested. She also told me that she "did not
know" if the Gardai are obliged to give badge numbers when requested and she "did not
know" if they have to take every report of crime from a member of the public seriously.
I hereby make formal complaint regarding the actions of all Officers involved with, what I
believe to be my unlawful arrest on the following grounds:

1.Garda JD and two of his colleagues breached the Peace in a public
place by using force against me and my friends.
2.Garda JD was informed and so knowingly acted against and in fact
breached his Oath of Office and by his actions vacated his office.
3.Garda JD and his colleagues abused their authority and
accompanied Garda JD in the performance of an Unlawful arrest.
4.Failed to inform me of a valid lawful reason for my arrest.
5.I was verbally accosted, ridiculed and insulted by at least three different members of an
Garda Siochana.
6.I was coerced and threatened into signing a piece of paper and was interfered with
when signing this 'under duress' by Garda EO.
7.Garda EO refused to tell me the badge numbers of the Peace Keepers
involved in the case.
8.Garda EO refused to accept my report of a crime.

I feel the Gardai Siochana in question are guilty of serious offences and they must be held
accountable for their actions, as equality before the law is paramount.
This complaint is by no means exhausted, and is subject to update and amendment

In truth and honour,
By: _
All Rights Reserved
Kevin-John: F

Verified/Witnessed
By: _
All Rights Reserved

Verified/Witnessed

By:
------------------------------
All Rights Reserved



Then on the 15th of October I particpated in Court and this is how it went... Freeman in Court Audio Subtitle 15 Oct - YouTube


Prior to my following court appearance I served the following Fee Schedule to the courts




KJF-FEE001 Page (1of1)

Notice:-
Regarding: Fee Schedule

I who am known as Kevin of the F family, being a man of lawful age, sound mind, flesh and blood body and God given Soul to declare the following to be True to the best of my knowledge and ability with God as my Witness so help me God. Take note I am writing in the common understand of the English Language.
On the fifteenth day of October 2009, the man known formally as Judge DH offered to remand a case proceeding against me by Garda JD if it were a case that I was not entering a plea. I informed him that “I waive all benefits and release the court of its duty to perform as consideration”. Judge DH responded saying “I’m remanding this matter, notwithstanding, for a period of two weeks…” asking me to participate in Court 45 at 10:30AM. I stated “With all due respect I do not accept”.
However I have considered the offer and I hereby state my Fee Schedule for an appearance to be €300 [Three hundred Euro] per hour or part thereof effective from 10:30AM on the morning of Thursday the twenty ninth day of October 2009 onwards. If I am incarcerated or otherwise detained without my expressed written consent I hereby state my Fee Schedule to be €3000 [Three thousand Euro] per hour or part thereof, taking effect at the moment of detention.

In Truth, Honour and Sincerity,
Is mise le méas,

By:_____________________.
Kevin – John: F

Witnessed/Verified
By:_____________________.

Witnessed/Verified
By:_____________________.



On the 29th of October I was in court at 10.30. Court began about 10.45 and i was out by 10.50.
I was the first case to be called and when I approached I didn't say anything. The Judge briefly went through the charges with the Garda who had come with the arresting Ban Garda this time. They both had files and I was wondering what they had planned.
The Judge turned to me and said "No Mr F, you are here today to enter a plea, you've had two weeks to consider now how do you plead?" I began to respond saying "before I can even consider entering a plea i need to establish the nature [and cause of the allegations being brought against me]" but he cut me off "No no, remanding this case until the 21st of December". Court clerk began to call next case I remained saying "Sir am I not entitled to a fair and meaningful hearing?.... Is this Justice?" ... The Judge snapped - "escort him out of court please".
The two arresting gaurds approached me, the female had her arm out towards me, i said "you have no right to touch me, i will consider it assault, i will leave of my own volition"...they stood and waited while I gathered my things. I turned to Garda JD and said "look at all the trouble you're after causing here" and walked out ahead of them. As I was leaving I asked when he expected me back ( i hadn't actually taken it in the first time he said it - it's a bit surreal when you're up there). The Clerk responded "21st of December" at which point I said "my fee schedule will stand then also" and left.

This was a bit bizarre for me as I had been preparing my case and hoped to get the Judge on his Oath straight away, then request to speak in chambers or private with the Judge - explain my intent, speak to the garda and seek restitution by way of apology and a handshake. Not to mention I was cramming loads as I figured they'd be ready for me this time. So, when it started and ended so abruptly i was kinda perplexed. The thing is now it gave me enough time to try to remedy the situation via notices outside of court. So what follows is a series of Notices which were served to Judge DH, copied to Garda JD and the minister for justice.


Notice
Regarding: Conditional Acceptance

DH
In care of Court Services,
15-24 Phoenix Street North,
Smithfield,
Dublin City

Copy to: [Various parties]

I am living sovereign, who is known as Kevin of the F family, being a man of lawful age, sound mind, flesh and blood body and God given soul, do declare the following to be true and accurate to the best of my ability so help me God, with God as my Witness.

Please take note of the following Maxims:

1.All are equal under the Law and equality before the Law is paramount.
2.Truth is expressed by means of an affidavit.
3.An un-rebutted affidavit stands as Truth.
4.An un-rebutted affidavit becomes the default judgement.
5.A claim can be satisfied only by rebuttal by counter-affidavit, resolution by jury or payment.

Note: This notice is to be understood in the common understanding of the English language.

It has not been and is not now my intention to contract with the district court in relation to the matter regarding the events of 11th of October 2009 in Saint Stephens Green, Dublin. An affidavit of events was served to the courts by me; Kevin-John: F on the 28th of October 2009 [Attached for convenience]. This Notice was also served to the Garda Ombudsman on the 29th of October 2009 and I believe the matter is being dealt with accordingly.

It is my understanding that the charges being presented are Acts which are Statutes and all Acts and Statutes are naturally limited in scope and applicability by Bunreacht Na hEireann, the Constitution of Ireland. Furthermore Statutes only have the force of law, by consent.

On the 29th of October 2009, Judge DH offered me an opportunity to participate in court [again] on the 21st of December 2009. My previous affidavit remains un-rebutted by any of the involved parties and it is apparent to me and many other men and women that I have not committed a crime in this instance, and no sworn affidavit of a complaint by another sovereign exists. As outlined in my previous affidavit, not to mention audio-visual documented evidence which has been provided to the Garda Ombudsman and the Courts, Garda JD, MD and another male Garda Siochana, which I know to mean Guardians’ of the Peace, breached their own oaths of office through their actions and in fact violated and breached my peace. I feel that I am the injured party in this instance.

With all that in mind I hereby conditionally accept the request to participate in court on the 21st of December, for the sum of €50,000 (FIFTY THOUSAND EURO) to be paid in full prior to the above date. After what I have experienced with the Garda Siochana and the Judiciary I feel it is my duty to use these funds to disseminate educational information regarding our God given Rights and the nature of law and to ensure these Rights exist, not just for you and I today but for future generations.

AND

To clarify my understanding of law in relation to this matter and to ensure that I am acting honourably and lawfully, please kindly respond to the following questions and requests:

1.Are the Courts Services and the Garda Siochana an organ of the state?
2.Do the Judiciary and members of an Garda Siochana take an oath of office?
3.Must the Judiciary and members of an Garda Siochana act within the law and are they subject to it?
4.Must there be a lawful reason for an arrest?
5.If a man is unlawfully arrested and subsequently detained, is his detention lawful?
6.Do you accept the Maxims listed previously to be supreme in law?
7.Are Statutes and Acts legislative rules of a society?
i.If so, what is the name of the society, of which both the ‘Public Order Act’ and ‘Criminal Justice Act’ are legislated rules of?
ii.Provide proof of claim that I am obliged to be, or am currently a member of that society.
8.Do Statutes and Acts require consent to gain the force of law?
i.If so, please provide proof of my consent to the aforementioned acts being enforced in this instance.
ii.If not, please provide proof for this claim.
9.Are the district Courts in Ireland engaged in the business of witnessing and facilitating transactions of security interests?
10.Do the district Courts require the consent of both parties prior to providing any such service?

Please respond to the ALL requests in no later than 14 [FOURTEEN] days from the date of receipt of this notice, as recorded via registered post. I hereby state the rule of ‘agent and principle’ applies and notice to one is notice to the other. Responses must be via registered post, under oath and full commercial liability. Cheques, postal or money orders may be made out to Kevin-John: F and sent care of the address provided above.

Failure to respond to any and all of the above points, questions or requests will lead me to assume you have withdrawn your offer for my participation in court on the 21st of December AND have ceased all claims against me AND have given up your right to answer these questions at a later date.

Yours sincerely, in truth and honour,
Without malice, ill-will or vexation,

Signed by:_____________________________.
Kevin-John: F Date:_________
All Rights Reserved


Witness/Verified by:_____________________________.
All Rights Reserved
Date:_________


Witness/Verified by:_____________________________.
All Rights Reserved
Date:_________



I waited the fourteen days and then followed up with this Notice:

Notice
Regarding: Non-Response

DH,
In care of Court Services,
15-24 Phoenix Street North,
Smithfield,
Dublin City

Copy to: [Minister for Justice; various other parties]

I am a living sovereign, who is known as Kevin of the F family, being a man of lawful age, sound mind, flesh and blood body and God given soul, do declare the following to be true and accurate to the best of my ability so help me God, with God as my Witness.

Please take note of the following Maxims:

1.All are equal under the Law and equality before the Law is paramount.
2.Truth is expressed by means of an affidavit.
3.An un-rebutted affidavit stands as Truth.
4.An un-rebutted affidavit becomes the default judgement.
5.A claim can be satisfied only by rebuttal by counter-affidavit, resolution by jury or payment.

Note: This notice is to be understood in the common understanding of the English language.

On the tenth day of November 2009 I served notice of conditional acceptance to you, [Judge] DH in relation to a request for me to participate in court on the 21st of December 2009. This notice was served by way of registered post and received on the eleventh day of November 2009. In that notification I outlined my intention to accept your offer to participate in court on the condition that you respond to and fulfil the following questions and requests:

The sum of €50,000 (FIFTY THOUSAND EURO) to be paid in full, by cheque, postal or money order, prior to the court date [twenty first day of December 2009].

AND

A response, under oath, to the following questions and requests:

1.Are the Courts Services and the Garda Siochana an organ of the state?
2.Do the Judiciary and members of an Garda Siochana take an oath of office?
3.Must the Judiciary and members of an Garda Siochana act within the law and are they subject to it?
4.Must there be a lawful reason for an arrest?
5.If a man is unlawfully arrested and subsequently detained, is his detention lawful?
6.Do you accept the Maxims listed previously to be supreme in law?
7.Are Statutes and Acts legislative rules of a society?
i.If so, what is the name of the society, of which both the ‘Public Order Act’ and ‘Criminal Justice Act’ are legislated rules of?
ii.Provide proof of claim that I am obliged to be, or am currently a member of that society.
8.Do Statutes and Acts require consent to gain the force of law?
i.If so, please provide proof of my consent to the aforementioned acts being enforced in this instance.
ii.If not, please provide proof for this claim.
9.Are the district Courts in Ireland engaged in the business of witnessing and facilitating transactions of security interests?
10.Do the district Courts require the consent of both parties prior to providing any such service?

You were requested to respond to the ALL of the above requests in no later than 14 [FOURTEEN] days from the date of receipt of the notice, which was received on the eleventh day of November 2009, as recorded via registered post. I also stated on my previous notice that; failure to respond to any and all of the above points, questions or requests will lead me to assume you have withdrawn your offer for my participation in court on the 21st of December AND have ceased all claims against me AND have given up your right to answer these questions at a later date.

To date you have chosen not to respond to any of my requests and have left me with assumption that you have now ceased and terminated all claims against me and have withdrawn your request for my participation in court. As such I should expect no further correspondences, transgressions or interaction with you in relation to this matter.

However, so as to ensure I am correct in my assumptions and that all claims have been terminated against me, I would like to graciously offer you one final opportunity to respond to the above requests and/or rebut the points made herein in a further 14 [FOURTEEN] days commencing 25th of November 2009. Once again if you choose not to respond to the above points it will mean that all claims against me have been terminated and I am no longer expected to participate in court and my assumptions will stand as sovereign truth.

Yours sincerely, in truth and honour,
Without malice, ill-will or vexation,


Signed by:_____________________________.
Kevin-John: F Date:_________
All Rights Reserved


Witness/Verified by:_____________________________.
All Rights Reserved Date:_________


Witness/Verified by:_____________________________.
All Rights Reserved Date:_________


It was at this point that all documents were sent to the Minister for Justice to make him aware of the actions of what I thought were his agents/officers of justice (?) I recieved the following interesting response:

http://api.ning.com/files/W3T*zq1*IJn*RWSklvBI2kiAZHFtf*rBNnadbF6zJM6XTVfz6l S19hpDBrFNIECmv-3hsUE3LP5mVJ58m4J7IvWtmyKuamTc/minjusticeedit0001.bmp



(Make what you want of that ;-)

I havn't sent him the final notice yet because im going to attach an additional letter to him in it seeking some sort of explanation about the above....

So in the Final Notice, I finally had the chance to express my true feelings about what happened and what's happening to us all. I tried to appeal to the spirit of those reading it and I mean everything I say...



Final Notice

DH
In care of Court Services,
15-24 Phoenix Street North,
Smithfield,
Dublin City


Copy to: [Minister for Justice; various other parties]

I am a living sovereign, who is known as Kevin of the F family, being a man of lawful age, sound mind, flesh and blood body and God given soul, do declare the following to be true and accurate to the best of my ability so help me God, with God as my Witness.

Sir, it has now been fourteen days since you were served with a second notice of
conditional acceptance. You were only required to respond to this Notice if you wished for me to participate in court. As you have chosen not to respond I am to inform you that we are now in agreement that all claims against me have been terminated and I am no longer expected to participate in court and my assumptions are now sovereign truth.

This means that the case can not be called by the Court Clerk on the 21st of December as there are no longer any allegations to answer to. It also means that we are in agreement that there are no grounds to issue a bench warrant or any other warrant for that matter. I have outlined all the facts of the matter by way of affidavits. To date all affidavits served remain un-rebutted by any and all involved parties. This means we are all in agreement as to what happened and that no crime was committed by me. We are also in agreement that, if anybody, I am the injured party in this matter.
I also note that you either chose to ignore or failed to pay the bill sent to you for my time participating in court. Please note I am not interested in this amount and will not pursue the debt any further.

Now that the matter is terminated I would like to express my deep sadness regarding my experience and the realisation that my Government does not seem to have my best interest at heart.
We are all equals’, we are all men sharing an experience on this wonderful earth. We have been given the gift of free will, but more importantly self knowledge and conscience. As intelligent sentient beings we each have the ability to make the lives of others better or worse. There are enough ‘bad people’ out there, products of this society fuelled by greed, ego or circumstance, and we need honest men and women who are willing to stand up for what is right regardless of popular opinion or common practice.

We the people on the land of Ireland fought for centuries for the freedom to institute a Government amongst us that would protect us and preserve our nation. We invested our sovereignty into that Government and its agents on the condition that they uphold and operate within the scope of Bunreacht na hEireann. Surely it is an honour to hold such a position of service to your nation? We trust and expect you to fulfil the duties of your office and most importantly uphold your Oath of office, but more than that we expect you to have and exercise high moral and ethical values. We the people bestow our trust upon you all, and you choose, by your own actions to betray that trust.

I would like to say that I do not think Garda JD is a bad man. I feel his behaviour may have been influenced by what appears to him to be normal or acceptable behaviour by his colleagues. This does not excuse the facts however. Furthermore, DH, I believe that you are also a good man and I’m sure you have a strong sense of fairness and justice. However, I strongly feel that what is being administered in the District Courts with regards statutes and fines is not fair and not just and is in fact a means of extracting revenue from the otherwise peaceful people.

Please read and think deeply about the following quote:

“Cowardice asks the question - is it safe? Expediency asks the question - is it politic?
Vanity asks the question - is it popular? But conscience asks the question is it right?
And there comes a time when one must take a position
that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular;
but one must take it because it is right.”
Dr Martin Luther King Jr

This current trend has gone on long enough and I say to all who read this Notice that now is that time. It is time for you to choose, every day to stand up for Justice, Truth, Morality and Conscience. God gave us these gifts, please stop ignoring them.

It is my sincere hope that this experience will not leave a feeling of ill-will or bitterness towards me. It has been a sorry state of affairs for all parties involved but perhaps some lessons were learned on all sides?

Yours sincerely, in truth and honour,
Without malice, ill-will or vexation,


Is mise le méas,

Signed by:_____________________________.
Kevin-John: F Date:_________
All Rights Reserved

Witness/Verified by:_____________________________.
All Rights Reserved Date:_________

Witness/Verified by:_____________________________.
All Rights Reserved Date:_________


That was sent last week. I did not know what to expect from this and I realised this would be a good litmus test to see where we're at. I mean it could have went a few different ways and I was quietly aware about the fact that a bench warrant could have been issued in my absence and who knows? Christmas, knock on the door...you know the rest. I was aware this could have happened and that the Court could have feinged ignorance of all the above (as some people suggest they will do anyway).
I was aware that in spite of the above dialogue I could have been called - but how can I/why would I turn up having served the above? It's could be construed as a contradiction - "am I or amn't I here to answer the allegations?"
So this morning, 21st of December, a few of the guys from TnS went into the Court. The Court location had been changed to the new 'babel' buildings - a sign on the usual court door stated this. They went to the other Court and found my name and Garda JD's on the 10.30 list. Wayne attempted to serve a copy of all the above to the file but at first the clerk would not accept this. They waited around all the while there was no sign of Garda JD [By the way it was a different Judge too]. They went through the list and the lads waited to hear my name being called. If a bench warrant had of been issued I was planning to go to the court after lunch to ask why they were looking for me?
But that wasn't necessary as they never called my case... during a short recess Wayne manged to give the documents to another court official asking to put it in Mr Kevins file, but she couldn't find it and ended up carrying those documents around all day...(?)
They waited until 13.30 when they finish for lunch and a new batch of victims line up for the afternoon and that was that.

I don't think it's hit me yet and im still going over it all. Love to know what do you guys think has happened here? I think this is a victory for our side... ;-)

Peace, Love and freedom to you all...

[girlgye]

Kev I posted this here on thinkfreeforums.org 'Exercise common law right to travel:BC'. I trust you won't mind.

I just wanna say having reviewed this thread I let myself be sidetracked by my own negativity to trolling. I was gonna ask Merlincove to remove them but I'll leave them as I KNOW I will get there in the end.

So I just wanna say a big up to you and the other guys for the spiritual uplift.
ps this is about the common law right to sit on some effing grass without a police bandit seeing you as a cash cow. Nuff said apply the logic to the situation and you have the inspiration. Some of us will be casualities and Kev too has languised on a concrete bed and been chained for his sins. So if you think there ain't gonna be pain involved in the road to freedom for some of you think again.

YAH HOO!!!!!! BIG UP MY MAIN MAN KEV THANKS FOR THE SPIRITUAL UPLIFT YOU GUYS I KNOW I'LL GET THERE. WELL DONE.:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[griswald]

Respect to you kevin for standing your ground, and invoking your right to freedom of the heart.:)

You, and people like you are beacons in this sea of deceit and deception.

peace

griswald

[yozhik]

So the case was never called?
It was on the list, but not heard?
Is that what happened?
What does 'the file' have recorded as the conclusion or outcome?
Is it still 'open'?

Being the suspicious prick that I am, I would be getting an affidavit written up, with your witnesses, that an appearance was made, at the court, as requested ... because it has been known for that FACT to be ignored ... if you know what I mean ... :rolleyes:

[girlgye]

Success here from Mark on minute 2 ish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fW6ny7_vGc&feature=PlayList&p=C0D74149BCB40590&index=0&playnext=1

[dolores1]

Brilliant Kev.

We know it won't be easy but leaders are needed. I salute your courage.

I'm back in court on the 17th.

I have served my NOI&COR to GB but no reply yet.

[dharmic one]

So in the Final Notice, I finally had the chance to express my true feelings about what happened and what's happening to us all. I tried to appeal to the spirit of those reading it and I mean everything I say...

I don't think it's hit me yet and im still going over it all. Love to know what do you guys think has happened here? I think this is a victory for our side... ;-)


I can't but feel the utmost gratitude for what I believe is a great service you have done for all the people of the world who aspire to be free. Unfortunately you will not get too many messages of congratulation from those who would insist that "they'll get you at some time or another...."

I think you can be very proud of your stance in the face of abuse and force that is the basis of these guys' control - not law and order or keeping the peace. I see video after video of people asking polite, relevant questions of police that they simply cannot or refuse to answer. It more times than not descends into violent behavior being perpetrated by those that are entrusted with protecting the people from it.

It is obvious to me that many police officers know very little about the "law" they uphold. It is a shame that the video of the arrest on youtube didn't capture more of the interaction between you and the officers but it was nevertheless a brave attempt by yourself to stand up to thugs who have no real business trying to force peaceful people to follow their outrageous commands........

It seems to me that you handled the entire situation with honor and respect for all involved which is what it is all really about....contrary to the allegations of others who have no interest in your plight other than if it proves them vindicated in their opinions against what you are doing.....

Much peace and love to you from me and Sal...

[ms hope]

Has anybody had any success with stopping child snatching by the state
i.e. forced adoption using any process outside the norm

It seems to me that parents are very vulnerable if they step outside the box
and I would like to know if anybody has ever managed to get their children back, once stolen ?

[girlgye]

If you watch Bursting Bubbles you will see that Rob successfully got his partner's child back who was snatched by the State. This is how he came to get interested in what for him at the time would have been dubbed the 'patriot' movement.

I hope he chips in here to comment but check the site out. There are lots of links to his vid in the resources threads in the stickies. I don't believe he used a CoR NOUI of his own though I think he just supported someone else to use that process to get the child back.

If someone has the link maybe they will post it for you.

[kev1111]

So the case was never called?
It was on the list, but not heard?
Is that what happened?
What does 'the file' have recorded as the conclusion or outcome?
Is it still 'open'?

Being the suspicious prick that I am, I would be getting an affidavit written up, with your witnesses, that an appearance was made, at the court, as requested ... because it has been known for that FACT to be ignored ... if you know what I mean ... :rolleyes:

Yeah it was 'on the list' but wasn't called,
Don't know what the file has and hadn't considered it and I would say there's nothing wrong with suspicions or healthy paranoia and I think that's a very good idea. Perhaps il get the witnesses to send in an affidavit registered post to the courts judge etc.

[kev1111]

Id like to say extend my thanks at the warmhearted posts. They are most humbling and comforting. I believe we are all truly are on the side of justice and if we persevere we will suceed. No one said anything was ever going to be easy. Some might say what we are trying to achieve is too idealistic but I would say the way things are going this is realistic thinking, freedom, responsibilty and duty go hand in hand. You can't have any without having all - a part of our individual freedom is realising the responsibility we have to our fellow man and the planet which in turn becomes a duty to uphold.

[zarah]

Psst dont tell Zarah she's a really astute lawyer.;)

You're disturbingly petulant and boringly churlish.

Im a second year law student, and taking a year out to concentrate on expanding my business. Does that not suit your little topic agenda? Ahh that's a real shame. :rolleyes:




Anyone else who's remotely bothered...Im really interested in the concept of lawful rebellion, mainly from the perspective of being taught that statute law prevailed, and the common law was almost akin to a quaint tradition.

I've watched a lot of videos from people who post here and Im learning so much, and absorbing so much information so quickly, that I haven't had the time to properly assess how this impacts on my future studies, or whether there's even a point to returning to them.

[Mo0n5tar]

I have had a number of successes. I will recount my biggest three.

There was young man, 19 years of age, caught with coke. First charges, he was scared, had lost contact with his family, (a good 'christian' family of hardworking blue collar folks) I acted as his agent and secured the first ever diversion against cocaine possession charges. Diversion has been used for pot possession but never for harder stuff. It involved getting him back in contact with his folks, and the tearful reunion and change of heart was quite astounding. There was a series of letters written, he acknowledge and did some community service and moved back home with his folks, I helped him find employment doing construction, and the crown dropped all charges and all evidence of charges no longer exist. Thus he can travel to the states as opposed to what happens when you have a discharge. I consider this a big win for the positive effect achieved through this action. Standing in court, letting them all know that there was no way they were getting a piece of him without going through me first and seeing the look in the judges face, and the prosecutors arrogance turned to respect after a few phone calls, caused me to really think I had done good.

There was a hunter, who was out hunting for sustenance. He came across a Conservation Officer who asked for license and stuff. Not having any the CO took the mans firearm. He was ok with it and told him that he had 12 more at home and would just go get one and come back out. CO said he would keep taking the mans firearms. Man said that will work until you get to the last firearm, then you will be getting the bullets. CO did not like this and reported him to the RCMp and SWAT team descended upon his house. He had plants growing and ended up facing 12 charges. Everything from threatening a peace officer, possession, cultivation, trafficking, careless storage of firearm, unregistered firearms, etc. It was at this point I met him.

He was a smart cookie and picked up on the logic and reasoning quickly. He served them with a NUI and COR and Fee Schedule, and they called him back within 3 days to talk. They had an agreement for him to sign, which he did. In it they agreed to drop all charges, return all property, and he agreed to not speak to any CO's if he saw them in the bush whilst he was hunting. He is now a Freeman-on-the-Land and hunts regularly without permit or license and his small personal grow op is unmolested last I heard.

The other big win I point to is the discharge of $67.5 Million worth of Student loans which the government of BC discharged by set-off after I had started an action and started teaching people about the student loan set-off option. Many of the people going through the process had their loans completely discharged, and although the government did not point to our actions, the people bringing the action all found satisfaction, and those who did not make the initial government cut, now have the opportunity to point to the governments forgiveness and since there is simply no legislative function allowing for the people in the government to arbitrarily decide that a single mom can have her loans set-off but a single bloke cannot they cannot be denied remedy as well. Equality and all that.

So those are three of my most memorable.

Rob

You're a goddam pain in the ass Rob Menard, if it wasn't for your stories, posts and video productions I would have no trouble accepting being a freeman is too much hassle, not enough reward.

As it is I have to keep hope freedom and a happy life are obtainable, which is very hard to know considering I have neither, yet.

[rob menard]

You're a goddam pain in the ass Rob Menard, if it wasn't for your stories, posts and video productions I would have no trouble accepting being a freeman is too much hassle, not enough reward.

That is one of the nicest compliments I have ever received.
Hassles get easier to deal with to the point of non-existence and the rewards seem to increase.

See you there!
Rob 'GDPITA' Menard

[zarah]

That is one of the nicest compliments I have ever received.
Hassles get easier to deal with to the point of non-existence and the rewards seem to increase.

See you there!
Rob 'GDPITA' Menard

I have so say, I hate appearing such a sychophant, but watching your videos made everything seem much more attainable and impelled me to search for more answers, which in turn unearthed more questions ad infinitum I imagine. :p

John Harris has the same effect. Ive emailed both yours and John's videos to so many people over the last couple of months.

Im not sure if you've ever travelled to the UK, but it would be wonderful if you could attend an upcoming event (if there is one)

[karl j]

I noted that there do seem to be many arms to the freeman movement and many forms of remedy that appear to incorporate civil disobedience and oh so many others. When all said and done speaking personally all i want is to be able to own my modest home, get access to alternative forms of (non billable) electricity, work in my chosen field and have that earned income go to pay for my families welfare, live in peace with my fellow man and to hell with the rest of the shit.

I worked hard for the 1st 20yrs of my adult life in England to the point that i was retired on medical grounds, over 15yrs ago i knew England was going down the pan and every penny i made then went towards providing for my kids, paying bills and staying out of debt, couldn't even have a holiday on the Costa... i finally gave up buying crappy cars. waste of money so thought what the hell and got a loan for a good car 15000 pounds over 5 yrs total payable close to 21500 pounds. (ah them were the days when you had real interest rates)

Anyway 2yrs later i had enough of England and applied to move to Canada, i expected at least 18 months process time like everyone else applying then but the process completed in 5.5 months. Having knowledge of the criminal and civil systems of law i wrote all my creditors and agreed to clear my debts, all for more than was borrowed but less than they wanted; seems finance companies don't like to discharge debts for less than the maximum of the loan period even though their terms allow for it without penalty, lesson learned!!!

So, knowing the rules on civil dispute i sent them all fair offers to discharge the debts (might aswell try to maximise the money i was taking to Canada) needless to say non of them took the offer, so updated my offers, noted that due to time contraints as i was leaving the country this was the final offer, again non were interested so i sent a final letter a week or so before i left stating i have made fair offers and they could not say they had lost money as they were being paid back more than the original loan, (just not all the greedy buggers wanted) As they did not except my offer of full and final payment and they in fact were in dishonour of my offer i left the country and didn't pay any of them, left the car at the dealership though in excellent condition and never heard a thing after that.

I had the remedy then, over 10yrs ago but played the good society member who should pay his debts etc and now i see the same shit i saw in England happening here in Canada and at twice the pace. I just want my own piece of land with my modest house and loving family living in peace with our many friends buying what we need not what we want and not having all manner of rules and requests for payments thrust down our throats...

I spent the last few years trying to educate and deal with the real cause of the problem (if you know great, if not you need to learn more) but trying to knock the top off the pyramid while your being crushed near the bottom is impossible and trying to inform and educate those above you so that they can get together to do it isn't going to happen either. Until the whole pyramid comes crashing down and we are all on the ground nothing will be done so attempting to remove myself, friends and family out of the pyramid sounds like the best choice and this and other groups and websites appear to offer the information and fellowship of other peaceful human beings but it seems that ego's, petty jealousy and many other negative human traits (pick one the're all displayed in here and elsewhere) get in the way of even doing that, not to mention the few at the top of the pyramid getting the bustards lower down to bash you back into place when you try to move.

I've had stupid Americans with double barrel surnames attack me about my lack of understanding of the financial system and how i should get an education, IQ needs bumping up from less than average and get a job or start my own business etc etc, well stupid Americans, and anyone else for that matter, i do understand finance, i did get an education; FREE (now who's stupid mr/mrs american still in your 40's and paying off your student loans) my IQ is close by a small margin to Genius level than the normal or less they claim, i have worked all my life and paid way more into the system than i am ever likely to take out and now i do have my own business.

Rob from what i can tell wants to deal with real Freeman from the area he lives, i live in eastern Ontario and want to meet other like minded Freemen or Freemen in training, i will likely continue reading the posts of interest and may even participate but many are just pure drivel written it seems by intelligent people, to what end i can only imagine, i will however not waste my time on trying to find out; i do pity the freemen in training looking for further education visiting this and other sites these same "people" frequent as they might not see the reality as quickly or at all.

Call me in Peace or leave in Pieces..!!!
I believe i will close by following my own previously posted advice...

He that hath knowledge spareth his words and a man of understanding is of an excellent spirit.
Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.

[griswald]

I noted that there do seem to be many arms to the freeman movement and many forms of remedy that appear to incorporate civil disobedience and oh so many others. When all said and done speaking personally all i want is to be able to own my modest home, get access to alternative forms of (non billable) electricity, work in my chosen field and have that earned income go to pay for my families welfare, live in peace with my fellow man and to hell with the rest of the shit.

I worked hard for the 1st 20yrs of my adult life in England to the point that i was retired on medical grounds, over 15yrs ago i knew England was going down the pan and every penny i made then went towards providing for my kids, paying bills and staying out of debt, couldn't even have a holiday on the Costa... i finally gave up buying crappy cars. waste of money so thought what the hell and got a loan for a good car 15000 pounds over 5 yrs total payable close to 21500 pounds. (ah them were the days when you had real interest rates)

Anyway 2yrs later i had enough of England and applied to move to Canada, i expected at least 18 months process time like everyone else applying then but the process completed in 5.5 months. Having knowledge of the criminal and civil systems of law i wrote all my creditors and agreed to clear my debts, all for more than was borrowed but less than they wanted; seems finance companies don't like to discharge debts for less than the maximum of the loan period even though their terms allow for it without penalty, lesson learned!!!

So, knowing the rules on civil dispute i sent them all fair offers to discharge the debts (might aswell try to maximise the money i was taking to Canada) needless to say non of them took the offer, so updated my offers, noted that due to time contraints as i was leaving the country this was the final offer, again non were interested so i sent a final letter a week or so before i left stating i have made fair offers and they could not say they had lost money as they were being paid back more than the original loan, (just not all the greedy buggers wanted) As they did not except my offer of full and final payment and they in fact were in dishonour of my offer i left the country and didn't pay any of them, left the car at the dealership though in excellent condition and never heard a thing after that.

I had the remedy then, over 10yrs ago but played the good society member who should pay his debts etc and now i see the same shit i saw in England happening here in Canada and at twice the pace. I just want my own piece of land with my modest house and loving family living in peace with our many friends buying what we need not what we want and not having all manner of rules and requests for payments thrust down our throats...

I spent the last few years trying to educate and deal with the real cause of the problem (if you know great, if not you need to learn more) but trying to knock the top off the pyramid while your being crushed near the bottom is impossible and trying to inform and educate those above you so that they can get together to do it isn't going to happen either. Until the whole pyramid comes crashing down and we are all on the ground nothing will be done so attempting to remove myself, friends and family out of the pyramid sounds like the best choice and this and other groups and websites appear to offer the information and fellowship of other peaceful human beings but it seems that ego's, petty jealousy and many other negative human traits (pick one the're all displayed in here and elsewhere) get in the way of even doing that, not to mention the few at the top of the pyramid getting the bustards lower down to bash you back into place when you try to move.

I've had stupid Americans with double barrel surnames attack me about my lack of understanding of the financial system and how i should get an education, IQ needs bumping up from less than average and get a job or start my own business etc etc, well stupid Americans, and anyone else for that matter, i do understand finance, i did get an education; FREE (now who's stupid mr/mrs american still in your 40's and paying off your student loans) my IQ is close by a small margin to Genius level than the normal or less they claim, i have worked all my life and paid way more into the system than i am ever likely to take out and now i do have my own business.

Rob from what i can tell wants to deal with real Freeman from the area he lives, i live in eastern Ontario and want to meet other like minded Freemen or Freemen in training, i will likely continue reading the posts of interest and may even participate but many are just pure drivel written it seems by intelligent people, to what end i can only imagine, i will however not waste my time on trying to find out; i do pity the freemen in training looking for further education visiting this and other sites these same "people" frequent as they might not see the reality as quickly or at all.

Call me in Peace or leave in Pieces..!!!
I believe i will close by following my own previously posted advice...

He that hath knowledge spareth his words and a man of understanding is of an excellent spirit.
Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.


Excellent post:)

griswald

[zarah]

Excellent post:)

griswald

I totally agree with the post and your view of it.



Im really new to this. I bought tickets to the stoke conference earlier this year, but didnt attend, although I cant remember why, probably laziness on my part.

Anyway, Ive known about the freeman concept for about the last year, so Im really new to the whole thing. I don't understand American or Canadian law, but have a smigden of understanding about UK law in all its forms from uni and from my interest of law before that. Ive been interested in legal remedies (although not lawfullness) since I was about 25 and became proactive in Palestinian solidarity.

When I was 30 I started to become interested in Employment Law, because I became ann employer. The reason I started to study law was because I wanted to practice in occupied Palestine to help Palestinians living under opression and also Palestinian refugees who have been denied the right of return, which is a breach of fundamental human rights.

I have no idea what David just wrote as two success stories and often am completely clueless when I read posts, especially about remedies under American or Canadian law, but I imagine, just as it takes years to study the elites form of legal remedies, it takes years to learn about freeman remedies. I understand this is a journey and Ive only just got on the bus. My aim this year is to begin to expand my business to the states and to have it up and running there by 2011, so to read the American freeman angle is extremely interesting.

Im not here to cause upset, or friction and my only agenda is to continue to learn more about this concept, but I cant abside people being rude unnecessarily.

[tothestars]

this is copy and pasted from.. http://tpuc.org/

I have had similar experiences some that have gone well others not so well..
I have had successes in not paying fines for sorns, parking tikets and the like by simply ignoring them and/or phoning the number on the letter and telling them i wont pay unless a judge orders me to pay in person..

I think that so many people are starting to be aware of their rights and looking for lawfull remedy is a success in its self..
remember this freemanon the land is a relativetly new movement..




A freeman in Lawful Rebellion under article 61 of the Magna Carta is stopped by the police...
Posted November 26th, 2008 by richardlandry

A recent encounter of a freemans' contact with the police:

I was pulled over tonight by the police and i had my 14 month Daughter on board also. I got out and said hello and all the usual things. I switched my dictaphone on in front of him so that he clearly knew what i was doing. At this point, the officer was polite and asked if i had a license, and i said i do not have a license. He LOOKED AT ME with wide opened eyes in shock. He said i hope you do have a license as he smiled, Well i had spoke in a manner like it was the normal thing to here or say. I said well yes my person has a license but i don't. He said "your losing me", as he smiled.

I was then Immediately spoke to by a school leaver style officer, She was fun. So she asked for my NAME and i said "the name of the person is".....and she upt her voice and said "i don't want the persons name i want your name". This was cracking me up inside with laughter for now she was asking for my lawful name and all there statute's only applies ONLY to the LEGAL ENTITY the PERSON (all caps) so now she was asking for my lawful name as she had asked for, and as again, my lawful name has no joinder with there statute law.(this was why i was laughing inside) She said look mate you will be nicked if you don't give me your name. Well i said to her "the name your are requiring is ########### ######"
And she started to calm down.

(REMEMBER i was threatened of my freedom if i did not comply,and you CANNOT force someone into a contract if they do not lawfully consent to it nor can you enforce a a contract onto a PERSON if you the agent does not consent to it.)

So they said they said from the way i am acting and behaving it appeared to them as if i was concealing something and that my eyes were glazed. Well i did have a joint hours and hours before i went out.( Must have been good stuff.)

The male officer then looked at me and said he was going to do this under the new laws SOCPA or something like that.

I said i still dont consent to neither search of me or my car. He put his gloves on as he was having none of it. Immediately I pulled out a joint from my inside pocket. I said "this was given to me earlier it is a ".Marijuana joint." He said well im searching you for we have found drugs on you. I said "NO YOU HAVE NOT" found drugs on me for i supplemented you (as a gift) as you accepted it from me as i said i have nothing to hide. ....so there's no found about it. Well they did search me and my car and i made sure they repeated their numbers for the dictaphone. Now the only reason they pulled me over was because my car was 3 months out of TAX,(well that is my conclusion?) As he was searching me i said i did not consent to being searched and that if he looked on Dunn and Brad street the courts of justices are advertised as corporations and therefore this means contracts and they need consent.

So i said to the officer that i had a signed witnessed document in my file on the back seat by a Notarised Solicitor in Poole stating under article 61 i had in fact entered LAWFUL REBELLION! And that i am lawfully and legally bound by there instructions nor to comply with their orders and that if they also choose to not to respect this they as officers of the courts would be in-complicit with this act also so i must make you fully aware of this.

At this point another POLICE car pulled up with a lone male officer. The male officer briefed him on what had taken place. at this point my dictaphone cut off for i had used all the digital memory. The officer would not allow me to retrieve my dictaphone from the roof of the car to pre-record over another message. He was so relieved at the fact this went of. WELL Why would he not want me to record proceedings? I'M DOING HIM A HUGE FAVOUR! He then stopped me again and said "NO it's not nccessary, i've been fair with you and polite so i assure you this wont be needed and once we are happy we will let you be on your way. So i smiled and said "yes you have been polite and so forth ok lets move on"..

Well the school girl officer said is this registered to you? I said " it is registered to the PERSON". she never squabbled.

Well they then walked around waiting for a record check you know for the usual stuff like anything outstanding fines. Whilst this was going on the newly on the seen officer said to me "are you the bloke that is deeply into the MASONS? I said that depends on what you mean"....He said "well hold a deep knowledge of the MASONS? I said " something like that" as he said " i thought i knew your name from somewhere.

It came through as i over heard the officers radio as he had is had it switch to radio but the volume was really low. They then huddled together and muttered for a a few moments. By this time my Daughter was screaming with upset for i was not near the car in her view. Then one of the other male officers came over to me and said as i" imagine you wouldn't want to do all the paper work now and will want to get on what with your daughter screaming and the cold"

I said " of course". He then said he will give me a statement (search form) of the events of the search which will be at the police station for 12 months. At this point i said " 12 months i thought it was 14 days standard procedure? He said "NO listen to me" I will fill out what's happened tonight and the events and it will stay with the police station for 12 months ok. I said "erh ok...... meaning and....? please continue officer.

And he said ok again to me as i asked do you wish me to sign anything. He said "NO" your free to go!!!!!

As i left i explain very quickly about the truth of registering a child or a vehicle and that this was why the government have to pay child support for it is there property when point to fact EVERY CHILD ought be entitled to the benefit without having to sign anything. And the male officer was agreeing to what i had said regarding the truth of registering. I also said that this all can be found at Tpuc.org. And they looked at me and said "ok thanks in a calm voice as i went back to my untaxed car and made my Travelling journey.
PEOPLE do you realise if there is no signature then then is no contract. And NO CONTRACT = NO CASE Fact!!!!
All i can say is my approach was calm, with no malice and peaceful. I can only think that it must have been a case of where the officer had taken Notice of my previous statement of LAWFUL REBELLION

and that i had not consented at any time nor did i have any ID and i did tell the officers i was recording and gaining evidence. To which most of it was recorded.

And maybe as they was chatting they came to the conclusion that i was Knowledgeable????

And that maybe one of the officers Knew a thing or two about the truth of the deception "PERSON" and gave me the benefit of the doubt???

Or they just could not be doing with the paper work for they knew i was not going to make it easy for them as in the past i had sent NOTICE'S to the police in the past and never heard from them again regarding cutting them up and having no mot and below the limit tyres along with no invalid insurance for the mot was expired which was to the case. Yes mot had expired but it states in the EVENT of an accident should a party have no mot......... See! I had not had an accident! so i was insured.

So again i only imagine they must have record of this as a possibility to why they left it at that and let it go?

I will be sending Tpuc.org the recording of the incident up until it cut off to upload once i work out how to retrieve the messages to my computer. As for the record for those who leave reply message's-
(A) i have always smoked cannabis from time to time
(B) I have a excellent driving record overall.
(C) Had you seen clarkson and a guy did two driving tests one without cannabis the other with. And he had full points with a joint and a few points deducted when he had not had a joint!!!! Fact! But it had been Hours since i had travelled.. ( I wouldn't do that)
(D) If you study and research on how banks operate and government operate you will see what we are told as to where our money really goes and how much is really generated then you will learn the BIG SCAM!!! and see that i by not paying am doing no financial harm for i am decreasing the Debt and DVLA always create the liability but never send you the remedy such as a RET.
(REMITTANCE) commerce stuff.
(E) I LOVE MY SOIL and will defend it well against those whom wish to create conflict against my fellow Englishmen and Women and against Our fellow human cousins or brothers and sisters if you will by nature Blacks, Asians, religion and so forth that share our land in peace with us and CONTRIBUTE to our economy. (as many whites do not also)
And CANNOT allow mass Genocide and fund fake wars and support TRAITORS to this by feeding the machine MONEY that LEGALLY i am empowered from doing so (article 61) and have ethics unlike those in office.

That's all for now. and spread the word !!!!!!!! (Tpuc.org)

they thought he was a mason. That was probably saving his ass. Some policeofficers know not to fuck around with masons (for good reasons).

[sagepixi]

Hi all,

I have been lurking and reading for months and still have so much absorbing to do.

I just wanted to say hi and a very big thank you to those leading the way.

I have always known there was something wrong but have until now been unable to unravel it.

A big heartfelt thanks to all for these very significant and liberating steps.

Love

T

[hypha]

I post those on the WFS site, but have found people will demand what they consider proof, and before you know it you are running all over trying to prove to some party whom you do not know.

If you weere in a football match and heading down the field about to score, and some druken foolish sod form the other team started screaming at you and calling you names do you stop your run to engage in an argument with them, when they are not even on the field and clearly rooting fort the other side?

Of course not, and that is why I do not ay any more attention to DM, nor will I try to argue about 'proof'. I have had plenty, and have spoken about them on my vids. I see no reason to spend my time typing out what I have already said for those who won't believe anyway.

Rob

PS- If someone comes up and spits in your face while asking you questions, and they stink, and are offensive, and you leave because of those things, would it be right for the stinky, spraying spitter to claim you left because you could not handle the questions?

Rob is a legend :cool:

xx

[karl j]

Excellent post:)

griswald

Thank-you for your comment and for seeing and 'understanding', i hope many more also see and 'understand'
Our ancestors were a whole hell of a lot smarter than we are today, we just think we're smart. I hope many of us know we are being treated like children so lets stop acting like them.

[cstewart1987]

Rob is a legend :cool:

xx

yes he is, a great mind.

[merlincove]

As this thread had been derailed in regard to the OP, I have moved several posts into the rant room here:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=93782

Further off topic posts will be deleted and where applicable notices given to members who attempt a campaign to derail.

Cheers.

Yet again this thread seems to have been the victim of a derailment campaign and all of the off topic posts have been moved to the above link.

It is a pity that a thread started with the intention of spreading light and positive responses to the Freeman on the Land concepts as met by the weight of the controlling forces we are attempting to counter is buried in derailment.

This notice is deemed as a first notice and any further derailment of this thread will be dealt with as a second notice via moderation.

The thread is stickied.

Please respect the OP and the original premise.

cheers

[david merrill]

Here is another one. This fellow got a full refund of all his withholdings and he is a state employee!

http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_affidavit_of_public_money.jpg

[girlgye]

David that looks like commercial redemption but never mind. If commercial redemption goes here that's how it is meant to be.

This one is from None of Thinkfreeforums.org
My wife and I have been traveling for the past 7 months, as of tomorrow, and although our signage and flag are clearly displayed, we had yet to be pulled over. A couple months ago we did have our car stolen by a tow truck company, on behalf of the police, when it was parked on the street near my school but my brother got it back for us from the impound lot, as we needed it for work/school.

Tonight we were returning from the theatre, about an hour ago, when I made a wrong turn. I pulled up to the next set of lights, into the right turn lane and realized that I wanted to go left instead. At the same time, down the street to the right there was a flashing set of lights on a police car, which appeared to have someone pulled over, none of my concern. Since there were no cars at the intersection or anywhere on the street within visual range, I backed up over into the left turn lane. While I was doing this, a police SUV screams up behind me, apparently they had been parked in a lot close by. He sits in the middle lane and impedes me, so I back up around him, into the left turn lane and turn on my left signal light.

While the light is still red, the cop walks up and asks me why I was backing up, I explained that I wanted to turn left instead of right. He says that it looks suspicious, as though I was attempting to avoid the police down the street. Then he asks if I have my documents and drivers license. I tell him "No, I don't have a driver's license." He asks why? I tell him "I'm not driving, I'm traveling." He asks if we have documents for that, I tell him that "I do."

I pull out and hand to him my wife's International Personal Conveyance Permit, which lists ownership information, bond number and her status as a Freeman-on-the-Land. This particular documentation is based upon the examples shared by George, here: viewtopic.php?f=71&t=7559 The other thing I handed him was a card I made in Photoshop, and had laminated, which I titled a International Travel Permit. It includes a small picture of my face, the name my family uses, born circa, born on the land known as Canada and then more information about my status, included under the heading Affidavit of Truth, signed by me. On the back it mentions that I have an estoppel with all levels of government; names of the individuals I have agreements with are included.

The cop takes these and says that he'll be back in a couple of minutes. In my mind, I'm figuring that I'll be going to the police station, the car will be towed and my wife will be taking a taxi home. While I'm sitting there, I notice a large police cube van (I'm not sure what the O.P.P. calls them but they look like a SWAT vehicle) moving slowly through a parking lot next to us. After waiting a few minutes, the police officer returns, he hands me the documentation and asks me which way I was trying to go. I tell him the street I wanted to turn onto, he says "ok, have a nice night" and then gets back in his SUV. It's at the moment, as they both leave the intersection, that I see that there was another police car parked on the far side of him.

I would love to know exactly what he thought when he was looking over our paperwork or what the officers are being told about the Freeman-on-the-Land, but I guess we'll never know. However, if this is any indication, the word is getting around.

Anyway, we want to thank Rob, who we had the pleasure of traveling to Bolton to meet this summer, and the many others who have helped my wife and I on our journey. The first step for us was to believe in our hearts that becoming FREE was the only thing to do. The second step was taking action by getting educated, sending out the appropriate documentation and backing ourselves up with paperwork. The third step was to see it in action, and this is the one that has been the most satisfying.

YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Cheered me up this did as well as Rich's success.

[rob menard]

POO POO ON girlgye!
You beat me posting this!

:P

Rob

[lizzy]

David that looks like commercial redemption but never mind. If commercial redemption goes here that's how it is meant to be.

This one is from None of Thinkfreeforums.org
My wife and I have been traveling for the past 7 months, as of tomorrow, and although our signage and flag are clearly displayed, we had yet to be pulled over. A couple months ago we did have our car stolen by a tow truck company, on behalf of the police, when it was parked on the street near my school but my brother got it back for us from the impound lot, as we needed it for work/school.

Tonight we were returning from the theatre, about an hour ago, when I made a wrong turn. I pulled up to the next set of lights, into the right turn lane and realized that I wanted to go left instead. At the same time, down the street to the right there was a flashing set of lights on a police car, which appeared to have someone pulled over, none of my concern. Since there were no cars at the intersection or anywhere on the street within visual range, I backed up over into the left turn lane. While I was doing this, a police SUV screams up behind me, apparently they had been parked in a lot close by. He sits in the middle lane and impedes me, so I back up around him, into the left turn lane and turn on my left signal light.

While the light is still red, the cop walks up and asks me why I was backing up, I explained that I wanted to turn left instead of right. He says that it looks suspicious, as though I was attempting to avoid the police down the street. Then he asks if I have my documents and drivers license. I tell him "No, I don't have a driver's license." He asks why? I tell him "I'm not driving, I'm traveling." He asks if we have documents for that, I tell him that "I do."

I pull out and hand to him my wife's International Personal Conveyance Permit, which lists ownership information, bond number and her status as a Freeman-on-the-Land. This particular documentation is based upon the examples shared by George, here: viewtopic.php?f=71&t=7559 The other thing I handed him was a card I made in Photoshop, and had laminated, which I titled a International Travel Permit. It includes a small picture of my face, the name my family uses, born circa, born on the land known as Canada and then more information about my status, included under the heading Affidavit of Truth, signed by me. On the back it mentions that I have an estoppel with all levels of government; names of the individuals I have agreements with are included.

The cop takes these and says that he'll be back in a couple of minutes. In my mind, I'm figuring that I'll be going to the police station, the car will be towed and my wife will be taking a taxi home. While I'm sitting there, I notice a large police cube van (I'm not sure what the O.P.P. calls them but they look like a SWAT vehicle) moving slowly through a parking lot next to us. After waiting a few minutes, the police officer returns, he hands me the documentation and asks me which way I was trying to go. I tell him the street I wanted to turn onto, he says "ok, have a nice night" and then gets back in his SUV. It's at the moment, as they both leave the intersection, that I see that there was another police car parked on the far side of him.

I would love to know exactly what he thought when he was looking over our paperwork or what the officers are being told about the Freeman-on-the-Land, but I guess we'll never know. However, if this is any indication, the word is getting around.

Anyway, we want to thank Rob, who we had the pleasure of traveling to Bolton to meet this summer, and the many others who have helped my wife and I on our journey. The first step for us was to believe in our hearts that becoming FREE was the only thing to do. The second step was taking action by getting educated, sending out the appropriate documentation and backing ourselves up with paperwork. The third step was to see it in action, and this is the one that has been the most satisfying.

YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Cheered me up this did as well as Rich's success.

WOW.......what an impressive event.......it does indeed say volumes. Well Done.

It does look like having all the appropriate paperwork at hand, along with the correct responses is the initial line of defense. If you are ever summons then things get "hairy' and know your rights to a greater degree than a lawyer. (It would seem)......

[david merrill]

I like to follow up leads like:

viewtopic.php?f=71&t=7559

Where is that from? What forum?

I pull out and hand to him my wife's International Personal Conveyance Permit, which lists ownership information, bond number and her status as a Freeman-on-the-Land. This particular documentation is based upon the examples shared by George, here: viewtopic.php?f=71&t=7559 The other thing I handed him was a card I made in Photoshop, and had laminated, which I titled a International Travel Permit. It includes a small picture of my face, the name my family uses, born circa, born on the land known as Canada and then more information about my status, included under the heading Affidavit of Truth, signed by me. On the back it mentions that I have an estoppel with all levels of government; names of the individuals I have agreements with are included.

Is that the product mentioned here?

http://www.worldfreemansociety.org/tiki-page.php?pageName=Payment

[dharmic one]

I wonder if there can be, to save any argument, criteria that we can all agree on that would enable us all to view an event or occurrence as a success....?

Given the fact that many of these stories come second, third or sometimes fourth hand, I choose to reserve judgment until I can find independently verifiable testimony/paperwork - not necessarily because it does not exist but because I may lack the tools or means for finding this information.

I myself can understand people's lack of enthusiasm about the concepts when the "proof" people have asked for come from a2nd or 3rd hand statements.

This does not mean that these posts should be automatically written off as false or that the ideas espoused are flawed, I just feel that in England the movement has gone a little quiet when the successes celebrated have so far met with the theft of people's property....such as pleasruedome's car. I know that it is a process that is constantly being amended and improved but I feel the movement would benefit greatly from a clarity of information when it comes to these successes.....indeed how can these successes be verified??

I have the greatest respect for those that stand up for what they believe no matter what the outcome but can also completely understand those that would refrain from practicing (what they may feel) as yet unproven or unverifiable processes or ideas.......

I am not complaining about anything, merely tiring of the arguments over the small potatoes of the ideas and the lack IMO of verifiable success....when we could be consolidating info that we can be confident is accurate and acting en masse on that info to push for change.

I began along this path, with much thanks to Rob as he actually helped me open my eyes to exactly what sort of system we live in and the truth of who we all believe we are....things I will be eternally grateful to him for.

I chose to question and conditionally accept demands for money / performance under contract that I felt were unjust/unfair. This alone has brought me great peace of mind and vindicated much of my views of commerce and society....itself a success in my eyes but due to personal circumstances chose not to follow all of his understanding.

I think many on here have much to offer but the forum seems to be mired in a prove this - no you prove this swamp of sorts.......so any proposals for success criteria that we can all agree on??

Peace and love to you all...

[david merrill]

Certainly so. Verify it.

That is what I am doing. There is a link to a post somewhere cited in the storyteller's post. But it was imported from somewhere that Rob and Girlgye know of but have not linked.

I am hobbled by lack of an Attachment feature. So sometimes you will hear me describing something and it may not make a lot of sense even because it does not have the images to prove out what I am saying.

The Refusals for Cause on the Basel Accords' final rule that never gets processed. I can show you the Refusals for Cause over the years in the Federal Register, if only I could attach the images. What I can show you is that after six or more years, it is still back in discussion:

Oh wait! I have the first one in the photo bucket:

http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_final_rule_R4C.jpg

And of course instead of retiring, quitting or being fired John D. HAWKE departed, or was departed or a departure occurred upon him; it is not really quite clear. Kind of like Jin Renqing being resigned (executed?).

http://www.treas.gov/press/releases/js1894.htm

What I can prove is that since 2004 with that first R4C they are still back at Square One:

http://www.bis.org/press/p091217.htm

If you want to hold Rob and his theories to Rules of Evidence that will sink him as he does not do that. To Rob, when he says something you have to prove him wrong, even if he says it in a lecture on video.



Regards,

David Merrill.

[david merrill]

I think many on here have much to offer but the forum seems to be mired in a prove this - no you prove this swamp of sorts.......so any proposals for success criteria that we can all agree on??

Peace and love to you all...

Of course - I propose Rules of Evidence. That is why Rob feels I badger him all the time. He makes assertions and will not describe the cite, source information or even hearsay that led him to believe what he asserts. It is infuriating!

And we get some hearsay account here called success story that fails Rule 804 of any tribunal (Exceptions to the Hearsay Rule).

Just yesterday I was called by my process server with a letter from the US district court. It came unsealed. I had no way to know that the material I was reading was the same material that was sent by the US clerk of court. And moreso I had every reason to suspect that it was not correct because the professional clerk of court did not lick the envelope? What's with that? The more important the material, the more they try to tempt me into relenquishing my court.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/medieval/magframe.asp

34. The writ which is called praecipe shall not for the future be issued to anyone, regarding any tenement whereby a freeman may lose his court.

Under the true doctine for freemen, rather than Rob's cyberspace version, nobody can remove me from my court. But the clerk of court would love for me to do it for myself by simply setting aside the rules of evidence for it!

http://www.suijurisclub.net/51406-post1116.html

You can get a look at how I handled it.



Regards,

David Merrill.

[girlgye]

I really dont have time today to go skipping over to other sites and joining them.

What do you do you do when the clerk will NOT RECORD YOUR FILES?

What do you do when the Clerk will NOT RECORD WHAT TOOK PLACE IN COURT.

How can you force them when it is NOT A COURT OF RECORD. This is one SOLUTION DAVID stop start giving the SOLUTION.

http://www.venables.co.uk/transcription.htm.

Then when you've done that get it stamped and filed. What is the penalty though if they refuse? How do you enforce it? A lien or malfeance charge upon the individual. Any other suggestions to mine anyone?

[david merrill]

I really dont have time today to go skipping over to other sites and joining them.

What do you do you do when the clerk will NOT RECORD YOUR FILES?

What do you do when the Clerk will NOT RECORD WHAT TOOK PLACE IN COURT.

How can you force them when it is NOT A COURT OF RECORD. This is one SOLUTION DAVID stop start giving the SOLUTION.

http://www.venables.co.uk/transcription.htm.

Then when you've done that get it stamped and filed. What is the penalty though if they refuse? How do you enforce it? A lien or malfeance charge upon the individual. Any other suggestions to mine anyone?

That's easy to fit into success stories. Just so you know, a half hour later I took the letter back to the process server and issued instructions for them to send it back, Rejected; improperly sealed. Pls send this back to the clerk of court to verify this is the intended content and to seal it according to postal regulations.

Stuff like that!

Answer 1: Use a process server and threats of malfeasance; denying access to the court.

Answer 2: I carry a recorder in my shirt pocket and take photographs. I am the recorder. Sometimes I even am a recorder for others. Because of that fact, I have a guard escort me everywhere in the courthouse but the men's room - they just stand watch outside the door. So that is my backup recorder. I always get them to tell me their name on my audio recorder and usually get a photo of them every visit to the courthouse - I call them My Witness or sometimes My Babysitter.

Answer 3: It is very foolish to try and make me feel it is encumbent on me to provide solutions. And it is simple of you to think that is not a court of record. Of course it is a court of record. Once I asked the judge if it was a court of record and he pointed out the tape recording and the court reporter. What you are doing is depending on their record and they do not really want to put things into it that damage the prosecution because the judge is an active attorney and in the same association with the prosecutor - the Bar Association.

So you be the court of record Girlgye. Be a competent witness.


Regards,

David Merrill.

[girlgye]

That's easy to fit into success stories. Just so you know, a half hour later I took the letter back to the process server and issued instructions for them to send it back, Rejected; improperly sealed. Pls send this back to the clerk of court to verify this is the intended content and to seal it according to postal regulations.

Stuff like that!

Answer 1: Use a process server and threats of malfeasance; denying access to the court..

Thanks for that Dave I've never heard of these before.
http://www.processserving.co.uk/

Do they carry more weight? I mean because they are process servers is it encumbant on the court not to talk to them like they are a piece of shite. Not to scream and holler for security when they are calmly, pleasantly asking them a discrete question? Would a process server be able to stop them giving gobshite excuses like manager has to look it over it will take 2 weeks whilst in the meantime they call on every bailiff that ever put a bounty on you to hound you and go to extra ordinary lengths to get you banged up for refusing to give your name when asked.


Answer 2: I carry a recorder in my shirt pocket and take photographs. I am the recorder. Sometimes I even am a recorder for others. Because of that fact, I have a guard escort me everywhere in the courthouse but the men's room - they just stand watch outside the door. So that is my backup recorder. I always get them to tell me their name on my audio recorder and usually get a photo of them every visit to the courthouse - I call them My Witness or sometimes My Babysitter..

Yes we do the same here. I however, was banged up for having a dictaphone switched off in my bag see the Judge v G thread in the Uk section on thinkfreeforums.org

Answer 3: It is very foolish to try and make me feel it is encumbent on me to provide solutions. And it is simple of you to think that is not a court of record. Of course it is a court of record. Once I asked the judge if it was a court of record and he pointed out the tape recording and the court reporter. What you are doing is depending on their record and they do not really want to put things into it that damage the prosecution because the judge is an active attorney and in the same association with the prosecutor - the Bar Association.

So you be the court of record Girlgye. Be a competent witness.
.

Yes it is quite ok for them to record you digitally but not you them. I have sent them a Notice of Intent and in it contains the fact I claim the right to record them in any court. Apart from that what do you to get around the fact that they can record and you can't. Not that I would take any Notice. No.
The reason they banged me up for quite a stiff sentence for a misdeameanor that isn't even a prisonable sentence is purely to intimidate those reading to not do the same.
I loved your vid and your education but you know I think the common law posit is crapology. ;)

P.s will you be speaking to the great Tir Na Saar Tribe of Ireland?

[passer by]

Using God's Law to fight, pulls the rug right out from under the New World Order, because God's Law strictly forbids men from legislating, under pain of death, and the New World Order's power-base is its ability to legislate.

Check out:

http://bornagainfreeman.ning.com/

[david merrill]

Amen to that brother.

The opposite of debt (death) is forgiveness (life).*

http://ecclesia.org/forum/images/suitors/BOE1.gif
http://ecclesia.org/forum/images/suitors/BOE2.gif

One early morning I walked in on my clerk and somebody (by phone) from Washington DC already had her working on it.

http://ecclesia.org/forum/images/suitors/onscreen.jpg

I asked her for copies and she was pretty confused that I was there while she already had it up on her screen. I pulled it up on my Pocket PC and she was pretty well convinced I was watching her via satellite and the building's own security system too on that little thing!

Note that this is the same BoE that the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency keeps trying to regulate with the final rule I mentioned a few posts back. And since it cured judgment (30 days - Book of Daniel**) on September 11, 2001 the Club of Paris (Bloodline of Jesus Christ) has been forgiving debts around the world - just like I planned.

http://www.clubdeparis.org/en/

Note especially in 2004 all the HIPC (Heavily Indebted Poor Countries) Initiative executions that were forgiven.



Regards,

David Merrill.


* Morgage - mort (death); gage (bond) literally means death promise.

** Dan 6:7 All the presidents of the kingdom, the governors, and the princes, the counsellors, and the captains, have consulted together to establish a royal statute, and to make a firm decree, that whosoever shall ask a petition of any God or man for thirty days, save of thee, O king, he shall be cast into the den of lions.

Dan 6:12 Then they came near, and spake before the king concerning the king's decree; Hast thou not signed a decree, that every man that shall ask a petition of any God or man within thirty days, save of thee, O king, shall be cast into the den of lions? The king answered and said, The thing is true, according to the law of the Medes and Persians, which altereth not.

[david merrill]

Here is one breaking from today.

My $20M lien against the state (State of Colorado Capital Finance Corporation) cured on 1/7/09 upon publication of the finance statement with the secretary of state (Reception #20092001574). I have kept an evidence repository in the US district court down the steet at the federal courthouse. That was 08-MC-0066 for those of you who have PACER; for the rest of you the MC stands for Miscellaneous Case.

Last week I petitioned for a writ of enforcement from Wiley Young DANIEL (see the above post for a great uplift/epiphany) the chief judge. - Judge for God - get it? The clerk moved it into a civil suit CV to 09-CV-3001 for the jacket to make it before a federal judge; an operation that is only executed for the DoJ.

If I could only attach the docket for you to see for yourselves. There is David Merrill in the header as plaintiff and yet the note below that is:

Jurisdiction: US Government Plaintiff

I have been demoted by tradition from my position as sovereign freeman on the land to that of US Government in order for the clerk of court to process my petition.



Regards,

David Merrill.

http://www.suijurisclub.net/banks-collection-cra/3501-david-merrill-offers-350-free-cash-113.html


P.S. I better take a long, hot shower.

[david merrill]

On that note - the cestui que trust since 1864 is IN GOD WE TRUST and within a week of publication of the lien, the chief judge whom the lien was against (Fourth Judicial District - Kirk Stewart SAMELSON) rounded up the entire staff and renewed their oaths - none of which made any mention of God.

We got them on the run alright.

[kev1111]

Using God's Law to fight, pulls the rug right out from under the New World Order, because God's Law strictly forbids men from legislating, under pain of death, and the New World Order's power-base is its ability to legislate.

Check out:

http://bornagainfreeman.ning.com/

Hey there passer by, i've heard about that defence and i understand the significance and prime importance of understanding Gods Law/Love. Im just curious do you know of any success stories of people using that particular method? I remember reading somewhere a guy who tried it said the first time the judge waived it off saying 'this is not a philosophical lecture', the second time the judge remanded the case and wanted to speak to him to get 'spiritual advice' of which he did not seem to deliver - the judge flipped out and had him removed by security.
Im just curious, as this is the success thread for FOTL here on david icke do you have any evidence of successes of this method working if used in the way suggested? Would be interested to know, thanks...

Síochán agus saoirse,

Kev

[david merrill]

Hey there passer by, i've heard about that defence and i understand the significance and prime importance of understanding Gods Law/Love. Im just curious do you know of any success stories of people using that particular method? I remember reading somewhere a guy who tried it said the first time the judge waived it off saying 'this is not a philosophical lecture', the second time the judge remanded the case and wanted to speak to him to get 'spiritual advice' of which he did not seem to deliver - the judge flipped out and had him removed by security.
Im just curious, as this is the success thread for FOTL here on david icke do you have any evidence of successes of this method working if used in the way suggested? Would be interested to know, thanks...

Síochán agus saoirse,

Kev


I suppose a bill of exchange for all the money in the world is a bit difficult to digest. To break it down a bit you need to understand history:

Start here:

http://ecclesia.org/forum/images/suitors/DavidStar.jpg

That outlines the Tribe of Dan and the Bloodline of Jesus Christ. To wrap your mind around that though, you need to look into a forgotten Bible book:

http://books.google.com/books?id=dWIS7c68lHAC&pg=PA125&lpg=PA125&dq=maccabee+charles+apocrypha&source=bl&ots=DyIqTAN4HG&sig=3MaaPkqM8BPDG6rks9EzBPbGdPU&hl=en&ei=Iw8_S5DuD42PtgfhpM3gAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false

Look on Page 111 - Chapter 12. You find that the Spartans are brethren with the Jews! Big surprise to all of you I bet. This is through the Tribe of Dan and the exile of Deborah in Judges 18.

http://ecclesia.org/forum/images/suitors/Dan.jpg

The chieftain of Dan - Ahaizar resented being dubbed the serpent, and thus adopted being the serpent-killer. The main point though is to note the dichotomy - two heads found in these societies and mythologies associated with two names - pseudonomania; false name craziness. A form of insanity characterized by a morbid propensity to lying. But as you might be getting if my posts above have not just glazed you over is that I cannot be David Merrill and David-Merrill without subjecting me to the economic consequences - usury and lack of forgiveness.

Deu 15:1 At the end of every seven years thou shalt make a release.
Deu 15:2 And this is the manner of the release: Every creditor that lendeth ought unto his neighbour shall release it; he shall not exact it of his neighbour, or of his brother; because it is called the LORD'S release.
Deu 15:3 Of a foreigner thou mayest exact it again: but that which is thine with thy brother thine hand shall release;

No Forgiveness of Debt.

Deu 23:20 Unto a stranger thou mayest lend upon usury; but unto thy brother thou shalt not lend upon usury: that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all that thou settest thine hand to in the land whither thou goest to possess it.

Usury and Alienation from the Original Estate (land).

There you have it right there. That is the same word for both terms foreigner and stranger. You cannot have any success stories being a freeman on the land if you are not. That is because you are subject to the administrations that be (Sanhedrin over Masonry) under the Seven Noahide Laws (Public Law 102-14*). The word for that character (pagan) is nokriy, from nakar and if you look in a paper Strong's Exhaustive Concordance it should jump out at you - feign self to be another - to have two names.

This history lesson comes from the Ten Northern Tribes excluding Dan as the forerunner in Italy/Rome. They settled up in the Caucasas Mountains between the Black and Caspian seas amongst the Magyars and Bulgar peoples - a sturdy warrior people. The Book of Daniel brings this timeline forth in the Babylonian concept of a Week and divides it accurately into a half week. A week is 360x7=2520 years. The incident about the Writing on the Wall is an encryption of that same Daniel Cycle. A gerah is like a carat nowadays. MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN - all upper case letters means CODE. A mene is 1000 gerahs. Upharsin is to divide in half. A tekel is 20 gerahs. 1000+1000+20+500=2520.

This incident itself happened 62 years following the capture of Jerusalem by Nebudchadnezzar in 586 BC or in 522 BC. 1260 years (a half-Week) after that, subtracting a year for the transition from -1 to 0 BC to AD we come to 740 AD. The Khazarian conversion to Judaism. The Khazars could have fought off the Christians and the Muslims who were wondering about their state religion, and were both becoming quite hostile about conversion. Instead since the Ten Northern Tribes had been living among them for several centuries, the Khazars chose to convert in a figurative way to Judaism so they could tell the nasty Christians and Muslims they already had a state religion - The Thirteenth Tribe of Israel.

http://ecclesia.org/forum/images/suitors/DanielCalendar.jpg
Daniel's Calendar


http://ecclesia.org/forum/images/suitors/DanielBooks.jpg
Daniel's Books

http://ecclesia.org/forum/images/suitors/Scythian.jpg
Darius conquers Scythians

http://ecclesia.org/forum/images/suitors/Khazar.jpg

That last one there sums up the Timeline in that another 1260 years following 740 AD is the completion of the Week in the year 2000 AD.

It is really quite simple if you take a moment with it. It explains why somebody like me would be writing a bill of exchange on the tikkun anthology - restoration. One man building upon the work of another - an anthology of reclamation of the original estate. The wealth of the wicked has been only stored in the custody of the wicked to be released to the righteous.

It also explains why we find a certain stubbornness in people calling themselves Freemen-on-the: Land etc. Even when it is costing them everything.


Regards,

David Merrill.


* Whereas Congress recognizes the historical tradition of ethical values and principles which are the basis of civilized society and upon which our great Nation was founded;
Whereas these ethical values and principles have been the bedrock of society from the dawn of civilization, when they were known as the Seven Noahide Laws;

[kev1111]

Hi David,

Thanks for all the information there, I appreciate it. The thing is though I was wondering if passer by had any success stories using the defence he is speaking about.
Like I said I understand the prime importance of Gods Love/Law etc - but using the specific defence suggested....Im looking to see if there is any documented or recorded proof of their being successes using that particular defence?

You know how it is, people can sometimes make statements which aren't backed up, if someone was to come on here and see the defence mentioned and try to use it - having no record of any success they could find themselves locked up somewhere. I just wanted to clarify as I feel it might be a bit dangerous. Like being asked to test something endangering to your life? But if it's working and there's some documented evidence....who knows.

I don't really get why it's all about the old testament (curses, death etc) and very little about the new (love, peace and forgivness seem to be lacking)...?!?

I suppose a bill of exchange for all the money in the world is a bit difficult to digest. To break it down a bit you need to understand history:

Start here:

http://ecclesia.org/forum/images/suitors/DavidStar.jpg

That outlines the Tribe of Dan and the Bloodline of Jesus Christ. To wrap your mind around that though, you need to look into a forgotten Bible book:

http://books.google.com/books?id=dWIS7c68lHAC&pg=PA125&lpg=PA125&dq=maccabee+charles+apocrypha&source=bl&ots=DyIqTAN4HG&sig=3MaaPkqM8BPDG6rks9EzBPbGdPU&hl=en&ei=Iw8_S5DuD42PtgfhpM3gAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false

Look on Page 111 - Chapter 12. You find that the Spartans are brethren with the Jews! Big surprise to all of you I bet. This is through the Tribe of Dan and the exile of Deborah in Judges 18.

http://ecclesia.org/forum/images/suitors/Dan.jpg

The chieftain of Dan - Ahaizar resented being dubbed the serpent, and thus adopted being the serpent-killer. The main point though is to note the dichotomy - two heads found in these societies and mythologies associated with two names - pseudonomania; false name craziness. A form of insanity characterized by a morbid propensity to lying. But as you might be getting if my posts above have not just glazed you over is that I cannot be David Merrill and David-Merrill without subjecting me to the economic consequences - usury and lack of forgiveness.



No Forgiveness of Debt.



Usury and Alienation from the Original Estate (land).

There you have it right there. That is the same word for both terms foreigner and stranger. You cannot have any success stories being a freeman on the land if you are not. That is because you are subject to the administrations that be (Sanhedrin over Masonry) under the Seven Noahide Laws (Public Law 102-14*). The word for that character (pagan) is nokriy, from nakar and if you look in a paper Strong's Exhaustive Concordance it should jump out at you - feign self to be another - to have two names.

This history lesson comes from the Ten Northern Tribes excluding Dan as the forerunner in Italy/Rome. They settled up in the Caucasas Mountains between the Black and Caspian seas amongst the Magyars and Bulgar peoples - a sturdy warrior people. The Book of Daniel brings this timeline forth in the Babylonian concept of a Week and divides it accurately into a half week. A week is 360x7=2520 years. The incident about the Writing on the Wall is an encryption of that same Daniel Cycle. A gerah is like a carat nowadays. MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN - all upper case letters means CODE. A mene is 1000 gerahs. Upharsin is to divide in half. A tekel is 20 gerahs. 1000+1000+20+500=2520.

This incident itself happened 62 years following the capture of Jerusalem by Nebudchadnezzar in 586 BC or in 522 BC. 1260 years (a half-Week) after that, subtracting a year for the transition from -1 to 0 BC to AD we come to 740 AD. The Khazarian conversion to Judaism. The Khazars could have fought off the Christians and the Muslims who were wondering about their state religion, and were both becoming quite hostile about conversion. Instead since the Ten Northern Tribes had been living among them for several centuries, the Khazars chose to convert in a figurative way to Judaism so they could tell the nasty Christians and Muslims they already had a state religion - The Thirteenth Tribe of Israel.

http://ecclesia.org/forum/images/suitors/DanielCalendar.jpg
Daniel's Calendar


http://ecclesia.org/forum/images/suitors/DanielBooks.jpg
Daniel's Books

http://ecclesia.org/forum/images/suitors/Scythian.jpg
Darius conquers Scythians

http://ecclesia.org/forum/images/suitors/Khazar.jpg

That last one there sums up the Timeline in that another 1260 years following 740 AD is the completion of the Week in the year 2000 AD.

It is really quite simple if you take a moment with it. It explains why somebody like me would be writing a bill of exchange on the tikkun anthology - restoration. One man building upon the work of another - an anthology of reclamation of the original estate. The wealth of the wicked has been only stored in the custody of the wicked to be released to the righteous.

It also explains why we find a certain stubbornness in people calling themselves Freemen-on-the: Land etc. Even when it is costing them everything.


Regards,

David Merrill.


*

[cstewart1987]

I suppose a bill of exchange for all the money in the world is a bit difficult to digest. To break it down a bit you need to understand history:

Start here:

http://ecclesia.org/forum/images/suitors/DavidStar.jpg

That outlines the Tribe of Dan and the Bloodline of Jesus Christ. To wrap your mind around that though, you need to look into a forgotten Bible book:

http://books.google.com/books?id=dWIS7c68lHAC&pg=PA125&lpg=PA125&dq=maccabee+charles+apocrypha&source=bl&ots=DyIqTAN4HG&sig=3MaaPkqM8BPDG6rks9EzBPbGdPU&hl=en&ei=Iw8_S5DuD42PtgfhpM3gAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false

Look on Page 111 - Chapter 12. You find that the Spartans are brethren with the Jews! Big surprise to all of you I bet. This is through the Tribe of Dan and the exile of Deborah in Judges 18.

http://ecclesia.org/forum/images/suitors/Dan.jpg

The chieftain of Dan - Ahaizar resented being dubbed the serpent, and thus adopted being the serpent-killer. The main point though is to note the dichotomy - two heads found in these societies and mythologies associated with two names - pseudonomania; false name craziness. A form of insanity characterized by a morbid propensity to lying. But as you might be getting if my posts above have not just glazed you over is that I cannot be David Merrill and David-Merrill without subjecting me to the economic consequences - usury and lack of forgiveness.



No Forgiveness of Debt.



Usury and Alienation from the Original Estate (land).

There you have it right there. That is the same word for both terms foreigner and stranger. You cannot have any success stories being a freeman on the land if you are not. That is because you are subject to the administrations that be (Sanhedrin over Masonry) under the Seven Noahide Laws (Public Law 102-14*). The word for that character (pagan) is nokriy, from nakar and if you look in a paper Strong's Exhaustive Concordance it should jump out at you - feign self to be another - to have two names.

This history lesson comes from the Ten Northern Tribes excluding Dan as the forerunner in Italy/Rome. They settled up in the Caucasas Mountains between the Black and Caspian seas amongst the Magyars and Bulgar peoples - a sturdy warrior people. The Book of Daniel brings this timeline forth in the Babylonian concept of a Week and divides it accurately into a half week. A week is 360x7=2520 years. The incident about the Writing on the Wall is an encryption of that same Daniel Cycle. A gerah is like a carat nowadays. MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN - all upper case letters means CODE. A mene is 1000 gerahs. Upharsin is to divide in half. A tekel is 20 gerahs. 1000+1000+20+500=2520.

This incident itself happened 62 years following the capture of Jerusalem by Nebudchadnezzar in 586 BC or in 522 BC. 1260 years (a half-Week) after that, subtracting a year for the transition from -1 to 0 BC to AD we come to 740 AD. The Khazarian conversion to Judaism. The Khazars could have fought off the Christians and the Muslims who were wondering about their state religion, and were both becoming quite hostile about conversion. Instead since the Ten Northern Tribes had been living among them for several centuries, the Khazars chose to convert in a figurative way to Judaism so they could tell the nasty Christians and Muslims they already had a state religion - The Thirteenth Tribe of Israel.

http://ecclesia.org/forum/images/suitors/DanielCalendar.jpg
Daniel's Calendar


http://ecclesia.org/forum/images/suitors/DanielBooks.jpg
Daniel's Books

http://ecclesia.org/forum/images/suitors/Scythian.jpg
Darius conquers Scythians

http://ecclesia.org/forum/images/suitors/Khazar.jpg

That last one there sums up the Timeline in that another 1260 years following 740 AD is the completion of the Week in the year 2000 AD.

It is really quite simple if you take a moment with it. It explains why somebody like me would be writing a bill of exchange on the tikkun anthology - restoration. One man building upon the work of another - an anthology of reclamation of the original estate. The wealth of the wicked has been only stored in the custody of the wicked to be released to the righteous.

It also explains why we find a certain stubbornness in people calling themselves Freemen-on-the: Land etc. Even when it is costing them everything.


Regards,

David Merrill.


*

Great post David, ahhhh, some clarity i see, its good to hear, people should be totally aware of who they are, and not be decieved into waiving gods given rights.

Great point about the 7 years, makes sense, they hide it in financial bollocks, aye if the debt is outstanding after 5 or 6 years, it will be written off, ' ohh how great, it would have been good to know we own the money your lending us anyway, but sure, let those who be deceived be deceived, aint that right God'..,

[girlgye]

Yes Kev those have been my experiences. I've gone before two Circuit Judges regarding my Car. First one just clutched the statute legislation folder as though she was clutching a baby I was trying to kidnap. Simply didn't have a clue and they are still 'at it' today by trying to send robbers and kidnappers to my door daily. Though I'm giving 2 days grace and believe me that has totally lightened me up. All the Fee schedules and class action suit are ready to go. I'm here looking up Fed Ex as I missed the post.

In one court case he cited in documentation which he now refuses to give over that I disrupted proceedings by asking whether this was a house of god and given my learned friend some spiritual advice Now obviously that one got through. Then he jailed me on a minor dismeanor that does not warrant a 2 week custodial sentence.

The other Judge said this is not a court of philosopy it is a court of law. This was the best judge and knew what he was doing but we out witted him on his point. He too had to resort to quoting statutes at us. Nice try though. The thing to do is to study it til it is ingrained in your heart not to go in there to outwit them. If you go for the latter they will always outwit you.

David I can see you have been a bit of a beatch again but thank you for your contributions can you put them in the Commercial Remedies Section as they don't belong here mate. You do make me chuckle though. Talk about Scorpionic visciousness cant say I'm not guilty of that myself at the moment.

[kev1111]

Yeh that's right it was you I remember now, you left a comment on my youtube page. So you tried the defence suggested?
Might I ask how you came across and ended up attempting to use this document?

And just so I can be clear- you tried to use the defence and it did not work as you had anticipated correct? do you think it was the defence itself or perhaps there were some other factors involved?


Yes Kev those have been my experiences. I've gone before two Circuit Judges regarding my Car. First one just clutched the statute legislation folder as though she was clutching a baby I was trying to kidnap. Simply didn't have a clue and they are still 'at it' today by trying to send robbers and kidnappers to my door daily. Though I'm giving 2 days grace and believe me that has totally lightened me up. All the Fee schedules and class action suit are ready to go. I'm here looking up Fed Ex as I missed the post.

In one court case he cited in documentation which he now refuses to give over that I disrupted proceedings by asking whether this was a house of god and given my learned friend some spiritual advice Now obviously that one got through. Then he jailed me on a minor dismeanor that does not warrant a 2 week custodial sentence.

The other Judge said this is not a court of philosopy it is a court of law. This was the best judge and knew what he was doing but we out witted him on his point. He too had to resort to quoting statutes at us. Nice try though. The thing to do is to study it til it is ingrained in your heart not to go in there to outwit them. If you go for the latter they will always outwit you.

David I can see you have been a bit of a beatch again but thank you for your contributions can you put them in the Commercial Remedies Section as they don't belong here mate. You do make me chuckle though. Talk about Scorpionic visciousness cant say I'm not guilty of that myself at the moment.

[girlgye]

Well I'm pretty connected with spirit and was in rhthymn but you know who clarified this and I used it. It worked but it wasn't my case. For that I paid later when successfully I was putting the point across to someone about how to deal with him. As we know I ended up in prison that day for a misdemeanor that isn't prisonable in offence. so...

The second time was trying to get my car back. That was when she freaked and clutched her little bible of statute process to her chest and ordered security to throw us out.

Second time we had two hours with a really competent, qualified and fair judge. He just said 'oh that's philosophy' and dismissed it. We kept on till he floundered though. So wish I know then what I know now. Could have done with that judge now I tell ya. Won't be getting one like that here they've assured me of that on the q.t.
Well go figure. The thing is to stick to it and if they are not recording go in with your own however you do it. What you argue is completely correct and lawful Kevin.

[syngreis]

January 7th 2010 is surely a day 2 cops will remember for the rest of their lives.

Before supper around 4 pm i witnessed a man that was being harassed by 2 police enforcement officers. One of the cops were pushing the man back. the man was clearly distressed. So knowing myself and how well i can handle a situation i approached the scene.

I approached the scene and asked the officers what was going on here. they stated that its none of your concern and that they are requesting me to leave. I looked at the man and i said.

"Do you feel threatened by these officers and would you like me to help protect and preserve the peace?"

The man said similar to "uhm sure"

I got his acceptance of contract and i directed my attention to the officers and stated

"Under the criminal code of Canada of the definition of Peace Officer section a, warden is a peace officer and i am now a warden to protect and preserve and maintain the public peace and therefor am now a Peace Officer on behalf of this kind man. Now. State your business with him and myself."

Police - "Who the hell do you think you are a lawyer?"

Me - "No ma'am i am not a court officer nor do i practice law and i don't serve the bar. I serve the public and above all the public peace. Now state your business please."

Police - "I don't care who you think you are but this isn't your business now leave before we arrest you"

Me - "Ma'am i have to give you notice that the arrest will result in a penalty against yourselves for interfering with a peace officers duties which is obstruction of a peace officer from fulfilling their duties. Now ma'am I'm politely asking you, state your business with this man."

Police - "Arrest him"

So i was arrested. the stranger or man just seemed to booked it. So he couldn't have been a serious threat or else the police would have chased him down. I was put into the wagon and sent to the cop shop. When they took me in and tried to get me to sign papers to told me that i MUST fill the papers out and put me in a cell. i stated loud and clear.

"You better have one hell of an affidavit for locking up a man that courts have no jurisdiction over and a registered claim AGAINST THE NAME or else ill hit you with forcible confinement under section 279 of the criminal code of Canada and ill counter sue you and now you will be co debtors and you can go straight to hell for this."

The sergeant/sheriff was near by and said "what the hell is this guy doing here"

The police officers stated that i was "interfering" with their duties.

the sheriff said "I don't give a shit, release him."

Notice if you watched my videos about the previous run in where he had to pay 1000$ to locking me in a cell for 2 hours. he probably remembered that. After this incident the officers just looked at me and each other and released me and told me to get out of the cop shop.

I think this scores a win for freeman people who actually reads the acts and knows the process compared to people who are blindly ignorant.

Ignorance is bliss.

video - Police Encounter Round 2 - YouTube

Police Encounter Round 2 Explained - YouTube

[cstewart1987]

January 7th 2010 is surely a day 2 cops will remember for the rest of their lives.

Before supper around 4 pm i witnessed a man that was being harassed by 2 police enforcement officers. One of the cops were pushing the man back. the man was clearly distressed. So knowing myself and how well i can handle a situation i approached the scene.

I approached the scene and asked the officers what was going on here. they stated that its none of your concern and that they are requesting me to leave. I looked at the man and i said.

"Do you feel threatened by these officers and would you like me to help protect and preserve the peace?"

The man said similar to "uhm sure"

I got his acceptance of contract and i directed my attention to the officers and stated

"Under the criminal code of Canada of the definition of Peace Officer section a, warden is a peace officer and i am now a warden to protect and preserve and maintain the public peace and therefor am now a Peace Officer on behalf of this kind man. Now. State your business with him and myself."

Police - "Who the hell do you think you are a lawyer?"

Me - "No ma'am i am not a court officer nor do i practice law and i don't serve the bar. I serve the public and above all the public peace. Now state your business please."

Police - "I don't care who you think you are but this isn't your business now leave before we arrest you"

Me - "Ma'am i have to give you notice that the arrest will result in a penalty against yourselves for interfering with a peace officers duties which is obstruction of a peace officer from fulfilling their duties. Now ma'am I'm politely asking you, state your business with this man."

Police - "Arrest him"

So i was arrested. the stranger or man just seemed to booked it. So he couldn't have been a serious threat or else the police would have chased him down. I was put into the wagon and sent to the cop shop. When they took me in and tried to get me to sign papers to told me that i MUST fill the papers out and put me in a cell. i stated loud and clear.

"You better have one hell of an affidavit for locking up a man that courts have no jurisdiction over and a registered claim AGAINST THE NAME or else ill hit you with forcible confinement under section 279 of the criminal code of Canada and ill counter sue you and now you will be co debtors and you can go straight to hell for this."

The sergeant/sheriff was near by and said "what the hell is this guy doing here"

The police officers stated that i was "interfering" with their duties.

the sheriff said "I don't give a shit, release him."

Notice if you watched my videos about the previous run in where he had to pay 1000$ to locking me in a cell for 2 hours. he probably remembered that. After this incident the officers just looked at me and each other and released me and told me to get out of the cop shop.

I think this scores a win for freeman people who actually reads the acts and knows the process compared to people who are blindly ignorant.

Ignorance is bliss.

video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sxpy-f05FJ0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TO6YlqfIorw&feature=channel

fantastic

[zhenshanren]

As wonderful as it sounds and as much as I wish it were true, I do have my doubts about the validity of said testimony above.

Others mention the same in youtube comments.

Like Phil Schnieder said, "You have to put on your sceptacles"

[cstewart1987]

i would type something out that was long and made sense, but i cant be arsed and it would probably be misconstrued so ill not, all ill say is, yes it works.

RIP phil

[syngreis]

never said you had to believe. its up to you to take the info and to see if its true or not.

[girlgye]

http://www.raymondstclair.com/

Well done raymond whoever you are. I haven't watched my video yet but I found this really really helpful.
Thanks :)
I did remember saying I do not stand to every question under their face was a picture!

[hrp57]

You know what Syn, you can put the truth right in front of someones eyes and if they do not want to see it they won't. What you did and are doing now for Terry is more than commendable. You and JackieG, along with some others here in Canada, have done so much for helping others and think nothing of it. It's just the right thing to do if you are a true creditor. If someone needs proof to stand up for their rights, only means that they are more interested in having someone else do it for them than to take care of it themselves. It's so much easier, just like those who give religion the right to stand up for them in their search for God or what ever you want to call it.
Listened to you on talkshoe the other night and I must say that that was an excellent program. Going to listen to it again this afternoon. Those 4 hours went by so fast. Maybe you will be on Kennyrazors talkshoe sometime as well.

[zhenshanren]

I believe in these things working. Just the delivery and shifty eyes tell a different story.

[girlgye]

This is off the amazingly brave and valient Joshua of Canada. Thank you Josh for having the courage to stand up for yourself. I understand why that officer asked you to turn off at the crucial time and so do you. Thank you for respecting his wishes. Don't worry cops there aren't many as you can see that are as crazy as me and josh so I'm sure your days of handing out bans and fines to sheeple are far from over.
YouTube - Common-law Right to Travel - Encounter with London Police.flv - YouTube

He as you can see on further vids gave quite an extensive documents list.
This I think is a good example of what officers can be given. I would adapt it and put in some law here but it is a general reference template.
Affidavit of Truth and Notice to Law Enforcement Officer(s)

This notice is to inform you of the character and standing of the man you are in contact with at this moment. My lawfully given name is True Name. I am a free-born, flesh and blood, creation of Almighty God. Our Creator is the source of my natural and inherent unalienable rights, as recognized in the law that is common and in usage for all men and women and in this country’s foundational documents.

There is NO and will be NO voluntary consent to: searches, seizures, towing, residency, citizenship, power of attorney, detainment, delay, arrest, statutes, codes, ordinances, policies or any other legal or color of law actions or presumptions.

If you are assuming jurisdiction over Me and/or my private means of locomotion, your assumption is in error. I am guiding and moving my private possession along the common right-of-ways on public land which belongs to the people. I am not engaging in commerce (driving) nor is my private possession a “registered motor vehicle” or a “vehicle” of any kind leaving Me and my possessions WITHOUT any CITY, COUNTY, STATE or FEDERAL jurisdictions. I have no “legal” information to impart to you since no “legal” information belongs to Me or is mine to give. Any guests that may be with me are under my covering and protection. I have no “passengers”, “property” or “cargo” at any time.

If you attempt to detain, delay or arrest Me, you must provide to Me the nature and cause of the charge(s) you claim. If no evidence of a crime can be provided, then any detainment, further delay or arrest is a violation of my inherent God-given rights and is a violation of the oath you swore to uphold before the ever-living God. Your oath to the people and to defend the Constitution(s) for these united States and the territorial State in which you serve is hereby accepted by Me and is now binding upon YOU. If you break this bond, you can be charged with crimes against Me and the people as a whole.

If you continue to proceed against Me, in violation of my rights, I strongly advise you to seek legal advice prior to doing so. I will not resist or become violent in any way, for I am a peaceful man. However, any and all actions by Me during and after any threat or demand by force from you will be under duress for fear of violence, injury or death against Me and/or any guests with Me since you are armed with weapons and I am not. Therefore, my actions under duress will be of no recourse to me whatsoever.

Thank you for your consideration and may God bless you and keep you safe.


_______________________________
True Name
In my own right, according to Devine Law
__________________________________________________ ________
I affirm that I have received this lawful notice served upon me on this _____________________________ day of the ___________________ month in the year and Reign of our Lord known as ____________________________________________.

Law Enforcement Officer sign here______________________________________________ _

[girlgye]

you're in luck one of her vids is in the anti terrorist sticky. god knows where the others are mate.

[death]

I have what borders on a success story of freeman on the land law linguistics but ultimately, the judge violated his oath and found me guilty.

I refused to sign a ticket as well as take physical possession. The state trooper got even more enraged after treating me like a piece of crap, dropped it in my window and stomped away. I shouted "Sir, this is not my property! You need to retrieve your property as I am not accepting responsibility for it. I then stated sir I did not and do not accept physical possession or responsibility for this ticket and it's a matter of public record on your dash cam!". He simply ignored me, got his laser and continued clocking cars after I sat behind him for about 15 minutes.

After this, all they did was throw wrenches at me.
Bogus appearances in courts, claims of not being able to locate me and finally when it was addressed in person, they started using more criminal tactics. Typos on dates and times and ultimately, giving me my license back telling me I was valid to drive when I was not.
Their trick to this?
They had the clerk do it!

So I leave feeling safe, it's a bright sunny day on a cold snowless winter morning so I put on a hooded sweatshirt, sunglasses and proceed to the next town over to run an errand. There waiting for me is a police officer who pulls me over. When I question his cause, he stated that the owner of the motor vehicle had a suspended license and I matched the owner's description. I said really sir because I was wearing a hood and sunglasses. My long hair, face and eyes were covered. He calls back up and I just keep asking questions and challenging their authority to pull me over. He then asks if I have a cell phone which I say yes but don't see it here in my car so he then places me in his car and begins digging through my car and says he's legally allowed to search it which I protest stating he most certainly is not and the only thing he is allowed to do is take an inventory of my car since it's being towed and that I won't sign off on his inventory sheet so to get out of my shit.

He gets angry, knows I'm right and stops going through my belongings.

Ultimately the judge in this situation put me into a situation of humility and after getting my license reinstated, dismissed everything.

I file a motion for discovery to show I at no time was uncooperative or disrespectful with the trooper, I was just not agreeing to his demands which I am in no way obligated to. The state trooper's office of course doesn't want me to copy their tape and tells me to get it from Columbus. Not wanting to file a continuance again I figure I should be able to win since the trooper won't be willing to commit perjury.

Finally I go to court for the original ticket at the other court and after avoiding me for about 4 hours, get my trial. In quite a foggy state of mind and in agonizing pain due to the sitting on these benches reinjuring my sciatic nerve damage, which was this sleaze wads tactic which is why he kept me waiting, I question the trooper on the stand. I ask him what is the required procedure of the state for issuing a speeding citation in Ohio. He relays this information and then I request the judge to dismiss the case based on the officer's failure to issue the citation in a manner consistent with the legal requirements of the state.
I then say the citation was not issued properly, the trooper placed his property inside my car against my will and that it doesn't matter if it was a severed head, you can not force the acceptance of property on me.

The judges response?
He did you a favor!
I am not going to dismiss the case because you were giving him a hard time and refusing to cooperate. If you're not happy with my ruling, take it up in the court of appeals.
Now I had been far more prepared for this. I should have pointed out that what the trooper did was an act of fraud and had admitted this on the stand. He filed a fraudulent claim with the court by not following the requirements of the state. I also should have pointed out that the judge was breaking his bonded oath if he made such a ruling and could be charged with negligence.

Ultimately though, I was in agonizing pain at this point and they knew it!
I had informed the bailiff and 2 clerks of my medical condition and that it was both painful and risking for me to sit for too long and what did they do?
They informed the judge who used it against me!
I would have used the court of appeals if not for the nerve injury. This stole about another year of my life where I had the limited ability to function. The original injury was a SEVERED nerve, I'll never be the same again and the carelessness and arrogance of this judge and those serving under him shelter most the responsibility.

That has brought me here. I intend to declare my freeman on the land status within the next year, step away from my contracts with these corporate governments acting on behalf of the government and use the linguistics of law to remedy any situation they attempt to manipulate me into once again. The ticket with the trooper was instigated using a flush car. That's where they use one of their own to harass people in some fashion while they drive through a speed trap. I figured this out years ago and actually caught cops meeting up with these people I suspected and followed.

[thetonic]

Kudos to you for having the balls to stand up to these crooks and while having the back injury as well!.

Most of the anti Freeman voice on this forum are cowardly twits , pay them no mind

[death]

They knew I was well prepared and their only tactic was scrambling my wits and it worked. They may as well have made me wait 5 minutes for trial after arriving and simply dosed me with Ambien.

I saved every shred of paper work however...I have to wonder what the time frame is for reporting the trooper for fraud and the judge for violating his oath and not abiding by the law when I made the request for dismissal.

[ninny]

I see these as examples of FMOL success stories:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww7MXAgu0D0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8ttYhtT9GQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxstZFC8Vms

And this is what happens when the 'authorities' deem that way of life to be some kind of a threat to society:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3YtmBD_thM&feature=related

Living free IS possible...just walk away.
Its not easy though.

very interesting. thank you for the insight.
the last one reminds me of a german woman who said she is allowed to use wastewater on her own.
she has made some cool stuff to recycle water. (kinda circulatory system)

but the laws which said that she can use this are beeing ignored and the police went onto her property to take her off and then the guys could join her property on the normal waste water system of the city. although this woman got an environmental prize for her idea. its crazy.

Tatort Briesensee (Neufassung) - YouTube

[merlincove]

i have moved several off topic posts from this thread to here (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=93782).

Can posters please stick to the general premise of the OP here and post respective success stories and further to the given posts, in order to keep the thread from being further derailed.

Cheers.

[edelweiss pirate]

Kudos to you for having the balls to stand up to these crooks and while having the back injury as well!.

Most of the anti Freeman voice on this forum are cowardly twits , pay them no mind

Er, no.

We are the people who ask the questions that you are unable or unwilling to answer.


So, where are the success stories then?

I'm not trolling honest. I want to see the 'success stories'.

Please.


BTW Videos of white yuppies in India are not examples of FMOTL success stories.

This is becoming a real joke guys and you are providing the punchlines.

[edelweiss pirate]

I have what borders on a success story of freeman on the land law linguistics but ultimately, the judge violated his oath and found me guilty.

I refused to sign a ticket as well as take physical possession. The state trooper got even more enraged after treating me like a piece of crap, dropped it in my window and stomped away. I shouted "Sir, this is not my property! You need to retrieve your property as I am not accepting responsibility for it. I then stated sir I did not and do not accept physical possession or responsibility for this ticket and it's a matter of public record on your dash cam!". He simply ignored me, got his laser and continued clocking cars after I sat behind him for about 15 minutes.

After this, all they did was throw wrenches at me.
Bogus appearances in courts, claims of not being able to locate me and finally when it was addressed in person, they started using more criminal tactics. Typos on dates and times and ultimately, giving me my license back telling me I was valid to drive when I was not.
Their trick to this?
They had the clerk do it!

So I leave feeling safe, it's a bright sunny day on a cold snowless winter morning so I put on a hooded sweatshirt, sunglasses and proceed to the next town over to run an errand. There waiting for me is a police officer who pulls me over. When I question his cause, he stated that the owner of the motor vehicle had a suspended license and I matched the owner's description. I said really sir because I was wearing a hood and sunglasses. My long hair, face and eyes were covered. He calls back up and I just keep asking questions and challenging their authority to pull me over. He then asks if I have a cell phone which I say yes but don't see it here in my car so he then places me in his car and begins digging through my car and says he's legally allowed to search it which I protest stating he most certainly is not and the only thing he is allowed to do is take an inventory of my car since it's being towed and that I won't sign off on his inventory sheet so to get out of my shit.

He gets angry, knows I'm right and stops going through my belongings.

Ultimately the judge in this situation put me into a situation of humility and after getting my license reinstated, dismissed everything.

I file a motion for discovery to show I at no time was uncooperative or disrespectful with the trooper, I was just not agreeing to his demands which I am in no way obligated to. The state trooper's office of course doesn't want me to copy their tape and tells me to get it from Columbus. Not wanting to file a continuance again I figure I should be able to win since the trooper won't be willing to commit perjury.

Finally I go to court for the original ticket at the other court and after avoiding me for about 4 hours, get my trial. In quite a foggy state of mind and in agonizing pain due to the sitting on these benches reinjuring my sciatic nerve damage, which was this sleaze wads tactic which is why he kept me waiting, I question the trooper on the stand. I ask him what is the required procedure of the state for issuing a speeding citation in Ohio. He relays this information and then I request the judge to dismiss the case based on the officer's failure to issue the citation in a manner consistent with the legal requirements of the state.
I then say the citation was not issued properly, the trooper placed his property inside my car against my will and that it doesn't matter if it was a severed head, you can not force the acceptance of property on me.

The judges response?
He did you a favor!
I am not going to dismiss the case because you were giving him a hard time and refusing to cooperate. If you're not happy with my ruling, take it up in the court of appeals.
Now I had been far more prepared for this. I should have pointed out that what the trooper did was an act of fraud and had admitted this on the stand. He filed a fraudulent claim with the court by not following the requirements of the state. I also should have pointed out that the judge was breaking his bonded oath if he made such a ruling and could be charged with negligence.

Ultimately though, I was in agonizing pain at this point and they knew it!
I had informed the bailiff and 2 clerks of my medical condition and that it was both painful and risking for me to sit for too long and what did they do?
They informed the judge who used it against me!
I would have used the court of appeals if not for the nerve injury. This stole about another year of my life where I had the limited ability to function. The original injury was a SEVERED nerve, I'll never be the same again and the carelessness and arrogance of this judge and those serving under him shelter most the responsibility.

That has brought me here. I intend to declare my freeman on the land status within the next year, step away from my contracts with these corporate governments acting on behalf of the government and use the linguistics of law to remedy any situation they attempt to manipulate me into once again. The ticket with the trooper was instigated using a flush car. That's where they use one of their own to harass people in some fashion while they drive through a speed trap. I figured this out years ago and actually caught cops meeting up with these people I suspected and followed.



So basically you were caught speeding (people get killed that way) and you refuse the rap. And now you want to be a freeman because you accept no personal responsibilty for your actions.

Riiiight.

You guys are making a total laughing stock of FMOTL.

[the worm that turned]

Her Royal Highness the Queen of England

True Freeman on the Land - no taxes, not punishable for crimes, you name it, she can do it. Totally free.

[h2pogo]

Her Royal Highness the Queen of England

True Freeman on the Land - no taxes, not punishable for crimes, you name it, she can do it. Totally free.

lol. to be a sovereign hey..

I just had a revelation..

I am free..and have been all my life:D

I have had loads of notices over the years for speeding(ok i paid one or two of those), parking,sorn and the like and I either ignore them or on several occasions when the letters were getting more persistent I phoned them up and simply told them i wasn't going to pay..I never heard from them again:)
was i giving them notice by phone?
can I give my noui/cor over the phone?
or have i just been lucky?

[sygyt]

My main problem with FMOTL is that the so-called "leaders" of the movement are the ones starting websites, selling books or videos, or on some sort of "lecture circuit" promoting "the movement". They do not do anything except watch their bunnies go to prison, and then claim some sort of victory,

They do mostly not practice what they preach, and merely take fiat money off ignorant people who seem to believe that "it's on the intratubes, so it must be true"

The so called leaders are simply stiffing ignorant people who wind up in court and perhaps prison because they believe in the nonsense, while the proponents of the movement swell their bank accounts by accepting this so called advice?.

Is the Internet the ultimate two edged sword?

[lord bob haulk]

lol. to be a sovereign hey..

I just had a revelation..

I am free..and have been all my life:D

I have had loads of notices over the years for speeding(ok i paid one or two of those), parking,sorn and the like and I either ignore them or on several occasions when the letters were getting more persistent I phoned them up and simply told them i wasn't going to pay..I never heard from them again:)
was i giving them notice by phone?
can I give my noui/cor over the phone?
or have i just been lucky?
so you've been done for speeding loads of times, nice, well done. After all why bother with the speed limits since so far you've not killed someone by driving too fast.
Freemen fight all the big battles. You're not off forming banks, buying land, chaining yourself up outside the chinese embassy protesting about their use of child labour etc you're driving a bit fast and not buying tickets to park your car. What's the next plan of action? driving while using a mobile phone?

[h2pogo]

so you've been done for speeding loads of times, nice, well done. After all why bother with the speed limits since so far you've not killed someone by driving too fast.
Freemen fight all the big battles. You're not off forming banks, buying land, chaining yourself up outside the chinese embassy protesting about their use of child labour etc you're driving a bit fast and not buying tickets to park your car. What's the next plan of action? driving while using a mobile phone?

Its about being responsible.. I know my capability's a camera doesn't... If I drive past pedestrians i naturally slow down slower than the speed limit..I drive according to road conditions..using my common sense..and i think if people are unable to drive in certain conditions with one hand while having a conversation they should have a large warning sign on their vehicle..that's beside the point the freeman principles shouldn't be just about getting off paying motoring fines but more about standing up to corrupt criminal government..by refusing to pay a fine because i didn't file a form is a start..

And i am actively looking to buy land and start a co-operative...and i am not a freeman (as in i only notified my intent over the phone)

[sygyt]

so you've been done for speeding loads of times, nice, well done. After all why bother with the speed limits since so far you've not killed someone by driving too fast.
Freemen fight all the big battles. You're not off forming banks, buying land, chaining yourself up outside the chinese embassy protesting about their use of child labour etc you're driving a bit fast and not buying tickets to park your car. What's the next plan of action? driving while using a mobile phone?

Buying a return ticket for a train and not coming back?

[bones]

Buying a return ticket for a train and not coming back?


i wish you would.

[sygyt]

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/1706/freemansuccess.png

[rob menard]

Such Fear.

Do you not find it debilitating?

I do not know anyone who was jailed for claiming their Sovereign status or denying consent.

I know many who have avoided jail and fines by making their claims.

FEAR, ANGER, SHAME.

These are the tools they use to control, and here you are using anger and trying to instill fear as much as possible.

It is also a fear based upon an assumption and a 'what if'.

So because of the fear, we are better off to do nothing constructive and do what we are told. Pay what we are told, keep our heads down and submit.

Your entire argument is 'SUBMIT TO AVOID JAIL'.

It lacks ethical argument, moral standing, courage, conviction and will eventually destroy your soul.

So you then choose to do what you are told by those you feel are your superiors. Fill your heart and head with anger, and FEAR and try to SHAME others into feeling the same fear and giving up their power and rights.

I will choose a different path, and will advocate the one I choose.

You are free to choose your path I am free to choose mine, cool?

Now you are also free to tell people about how they should be scared and shamed and angry and I will tell them they have no need for those things, and that they are in fact tools of control and overcoming them will bring great freedom and benefits.

We will see who can get more people to embrace the perspective, ok?

They too will have a choice.

A choice to agree with you and fill their hearts with fear, anger and shame, or not.

I bet on me and the perspective I share.

I also pity you for yours.

[rob menard]

http://www.worldfreemansociety.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=85&t=6013


Ok, so here's the way it went down... I recorded it on my cell phone but it's an old phone and I don't have any way to put it on my computer...

I was traveling to Calgary in my girlfriend's truck (which is registered, insured, etc) and I obviously do not carry a "Driver's License" anymore....

I was going about 130 in a 110 zone and sure enough the lights started flashing in my rear view mirror... The highway sherriff (a female) approaches my window...

Me: Good morning officer! (with a big smile) Are you a peace officer?
Her: Yes I am
Me: Have you observed me breach the peace today?
Her: You were speeding, 131 in a 1... (I cut her off)
Me: Violating a statute is not breaching the peace. Have you observed me breach the peace today?
Her: I need to see your... (I cut her off again)
Me: You don't need to see anything, have you observed me breach the peace today?
Her: I need to see your.... (again cut off)
Me: According to the constitution act of 1982 I have a right to be free from interference with my personal affairs and the right to refuse interaction with a peace officer who has not observed me breach the peace, Is that correct?
Her: Well... (cut off yet again)
Me: Am I being detained?
Her: Sir I need to... (cut off)
Me: No, have you observed me breach the peace?
Her: No but you were (cut off)
Me: Am I being detained?
Her: Sir I... (you know by now that I cut her off again)
Me: Am I being detained?
Me: Am I free to go?
Her: No I need to (again)
Me: Am I being detained? I have a right against this. Am I being detained?
Her: No I just need (yup, again)
Me: So if I'm not being detained then I'm free to go right? Am I free to go?
Her: No I need (haha ya, again)
Me: If I'm not free to go then I'm being detained right? Am I being detained?
Her: No you're not I just... (you get the picture)
Me: If I'm not being detained then I'm free to go... (starting truck again)
Her: (with hand on gun) Sir I need you to step... (wanted to say "out of the vehicle" but I cut her off again)
Me: If I'm not being detained then I am free to go right? Am I free to go or am I being detained?
Her: No.... (cut off)
Me: So if I'm not being detained and I'm not free to go what am I? I'm gonna drive away now (I put the truck in gear)
Her: (almost yelling at this point) Sir I need you to!... (cut off)
Me: You don't need anything, I'm going to drive away now (I know I shouldn't have used the word drive but whatever)

So at this point I let my foot off the brake and coasted forward a few feet. She just stood there with the most CONFUSED look on her face, and I had butterflies in my stomach that I thought were going to break through the skin and fly away...
I was expecting her to come chase me down and taser me or something but I looked in the mirror and she was still just standing there with a look that clearly said "What the hell just happened here?"

.................................................. ......

That was a week ago and I still travel same stretch of highway and I pass Sheriffs all the time, and I have never been bothered since....


Long story short....

If you hold them to their peace officer status their only mandate is to preserve and maintain the public peace and to uphold our rights... If they start infringing on those rights and you point out to them that they are in fact Peace Officers they tend to act a bit differently!

I was expecting to be tazed and arrested and instead I traveled away with no negative repercussions.

WE CAN ALL DO THIS!!!!!!!

Stand up for your rights and they won't have a clue what to do!!!!!


Peace and Love

(I will try to record the audio from my phone to my pc with a mic but the sound quality is not great and I don't guarantee anything on the recording aspect)

[thegoodnessisgood]

If you live in Australia aussie speeding fines dot com WORKS. buy it read it use it. I did, it really works unlike a lot of this other stuff, although I like Rob Menard a lot that comment is not directed at him, but the rest of the douche bags with their dreams and schemes, who screw up other peoples lives with idiotic information and careless application.

[dirtypool]

Hi all,

new to the site though not the subject matter. Have been trawling through the posts and related videos over the last few days and will continue to do so.

I get the legal principles and have been in the business of negotiating commercial contracts for 20 years so this should help me on my journey.

A couple of things are on my mind and have been for a long while;

1 setting up a co-operative of like minded people to buy some land and establish an off grid community (not typical commune) of properties and ultimately drop out of the monetarised economy. If anyone is interested I'd like to chat.

2. As economies are essentially bankrupt and have been for many years, is my mortgage agreement with the lender a lawful and legally enforceable agreement or is the lender in breach of contract?

Opinions welcome

thanks
DP

[displayname22]

I used the Notice from Rob about 4 years ago, and I've learned a lot more since then from several others. It did work. I had already spent a short amount of time in jail, but the prosecutor said the law required I either spend more time or do a bunch of probation and other crap. So they didn't want to acknowledge it but I kept discussing what transactions of security interests were. One judge told me she didn't understand what it was, so I went down the hall to the legal assistant and asked if the charge was a transaction of a security interest and she said, yes it is... with a 'sure' smile on her face. i just kept talking about it with the prosecutor and we eventually just talked about philosophy. he let me approach the bench as a lawyer and they apologized to me and said i should come work for them. i didn't because i don't believe in locking people up when there's no victim. so anyway the judge turned out to be a pretty cool guy and we just talked about stuff like what i thought of texas. i came across as approachable and had a friendly knowing smile on my face the whole time and i treated them with respect. they let me go time served.

then another time i was pissed off for being there and yelled at a judge and he threw me out of the court room because i called him a conman. that time the notice didn't work.

[cacadores]

I used the Notice from Rob about 4 years ago, and I've learned a lot more since then from several others. It did work. I had already spent a short amount of time in jail, but the prosecutor said the law required I either spend more time or do a bunch of probation and other crap. So they didn't want to acknowledge it but I kept discussing what transactions of security interests were. One judge told me she didn't understand what it was, so I went down the hall to the legal assistant and asked if the charge was a transaction of a security interest and she said, yes it is... with a 'sure' smile on her face. i just kept talking about it with the prosecutor and we eventually just talked about philosophy. he let me approach the bench as a lawyer and they apologized to me and said i should come work for them. i didn't because i don't believe in locking people up when there's no victim. so anyway the judge turned out to be a pretty cool guy and we just talked about stuff like what i thought of texas. i came across as approachable and had a friendly knowing smile on my face the whole time and i treated them with respect. they let me go time served.

then another time i was pissed off for being there and yelled at a judge and he threw me out of the court room because i called him a conman. that time the notice didn't work.

So, basically you've evidence being polite worked but you've no evidence the notice worked.

Lordy.

[armoured_amazon]

Any updates? :)

[ipso facto]

Its about being responsible.. I know my capability's a camera doesn't... If I drive past pedestrians i naturally slow down slower than the speed limit..I drive according to road conditions..using my common sense..and i think if people are unable to drive in certain conditions with one hand while having a conversation they should have a large warning sign on their vehicle..that's beside the point the freeman principles shouldn't be just about getting off paying motoring fines but more about standing up to corrupt criminal government..by refusing to pay a fine because i didn't file a form is a start..

And i am actively looking to buy land and start a co-operative...and i am not a freeman (as in i only notified my intent over the phone)

Maybe if you were more organised and not so involved in wondering how you are going to stop the corrupt government, you might have filled the form in on time and not been penalised.

[ipso facto]

$67 million of student loans have been discharged in Canada mostly due to CoR discharge claims.

Can you put me in touch with those students who successful managed to discharge their loans so that I can see this is a verifiable source? Thank you so kindly, due to data protection though, it might be better to send their names via PM.

[h2pogo]

Maybe if you were more organised and not so involved in wondering how you are going to stop the corrupt government, you might have filled the form in on time and not been penalised.

penalised for not been organised enough:D
are you saying I should do a better job to serve my masters to obey their commands?
Do you serve as you are required?

[ipso facto]

penalised for not been organised enough:D
are you saying I should do a better job to serve my masters to obey their commands?
Do you serve as you are required?

It would save you all that hassle of fighting things in court when they do catch up with you - curtails a lot of your freedom time when you have to do these things unnecessarily :D

[h2pogo]

It would save you all that hassle of fighting things in court when they do catch up with you - curtails a lot of your freedom time when you have to do these things unnecessarily :D



You assist an evil system most effectively by obeying its orders and decrees.
An evil system never deserves such allegiance.
Allegiance to it means partaking of the evil.
A good person will resist an evil system with his or her whole soul.

It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say.

Non-cooperation with evil is a sacred duty.

~ Mohandas K. Gandhi

[bones]

my uncle asked for a bill for his student loan over 15 months ago, they ignored his request and since he hasnt had any letters asking for money...

he works for total and earns way over 15 k so he has met the payment obligation.


why dont they threaten him with court etc?

not one letter!:confused:

[bones]

Can you put me in touch with those students who successful managed to discharge their loans so that I can see this is a verifiable source? Thank you so kindly, due to data protection though, it might be better to send their names via PM.

she left the forums due to well you know.

[ipso facto]

she left the forums due to well you know.

what because she couldn't back up her statement with truth?

[merlincove]

what because she couldn't back up her statement with truth?

if you ever met girlgye you would know that she was more than able to back up everything that she said.

She was (and hopefuly continues to be) a beautiful and passionate person.

She chooses not to post here for her own reasons, and we shouldn't go making up assumptions about members who aren't here to defend their self. It's unfair.

:cool:

[ipso facto]

if you ever met girlgye you would know that she was more than able to back up everything that she said.

She was (and hopefuly continues to be) a beautiful and passionate person.

She chooses not to post here for her own reasons, and we shouldn't go making up assumptions about members who aren't here to defend their self. It's unfair.

:cool:

Merlin, I did ask quite politely a while back if you'd refrain from responding to my posts as I do not have the option to put you on ignore. I can choose to ignore but sometimes its a little hard as I'd prefer not to be spoken to in a condescending manner. If I say something that is an infraction of the forum rules - knock yourself out but your response here was totally unnecessary, you just had to have your say. The previous poster explained the situation. So could you do that for me please? :)

[merlincove]

life is too short, why waste it hating?

:cool:

As far as i'm aware we're on an open forum, not living in Communist China :D

Hi all,

new to the site though not the subject matter. Have been trawling through the posts and related videos over the last few days and will continue to do so.

I get the legal principles and have been in the business of negotiating commercial contracts for 20 years so this should help me on my journey.

A couple of things are on my mind and have been for a long while;

1 setting up a co-operative of like minded people to buy some land and establish an off grid community (not typical commune) of properties and ultimately drop out of the monetarised economy. If anyone is interested I'd like to chat.

2. As economies are essentially bankrupt and have been for many years, is my mortgage agreement with the lender a lawful and legally enforceable agreement or is the lender in breach of contract?

Opinions welcome

thanks
DP

Wonder where dirty pool went off to?

an excellent first post there buddy, would love to hear more from ya :D

[ipso facto]

life is too short, why waste it hating?I know life is too short - hence my signature. I don't hate - its not a word in my vocabulary although it is used on this forum quite frequently. However, you don't have to like everyone to be a good person. Now can you please just say "OK" to my first question - no other comment required, then it is accepted you are then essentially on ignore. Thanking you in anticipation.

[cacadores]

penalised for not been organised enough:D
are you saying I should do a better job to serve my masters to obey their commands?
Do you serve as you are required?

In a democratic state, government workers are our servants, since they're appointed by the people we vote to represent us. You want to have more confidence in yourself, mate.:D


Quote:
Originally Posted by girlgye
$67 million of student loans have been discharged in Canada mostly due to CoR discharge claims

Can you put me in touch with those students who successful managed to discharge their loans so that I can see this is a verifiable source? Thank you so kindly, due to data protection though, it might be better to send their names via PM.

They don't exist, it was made up. Only bankruptcy (and loss of your assets) can discharge a debt, but it's doubtful you could file for it in this case.

[merlincove]

They don't exist, it was made up. Only bankruptcy (and loss of your assets) can discharge a debt, but it's doubtful you could file for it in this case.

can you explain the last bit a little more please?

Are you saying that the debts were made up, that they have no real value, or that the figures given were made up, that the actual amount of loans were made up, or even that the statistics mentioned were made up?

[visioner]

We have been off the grid for years, living in the mountains of New Mexico.

Our web site is


Please stop by

Shayna

[steven1]

where are your houses?
Its all pictures of scrubland

living off grid doesn't mean walking in the wilderness you know

[bones]

Merlin, I did ask quite politely a while back if you'd refrain from responding to my posts as I do not have the option to put you on ignore. I can choose to ignore but sometimes its a little hard as I'd prefer not to be spoken to in a condescending manner. If I say something that is an infraction of the forum rules - knock yourself out but your response here was totally unnecessary, you just had to have your say. The previous poster explained the situation. So could you do that for me please? :)

there is a log out button.:D

[ipso facto]

there is a log out button.:D

I wish there was a remote eject :)

[bones]

I wish there was a remote eject :)

wishful thinking hey?

[girlgye]

if you ever met girlgye you would know that she was more than able to back up everything that she said.

She was (and hopefuly continues to be) a beautiful and passionate person.

She chooses not to post here for her own reasons, and we shouldn't go making up assumptions about members who aren't here to defend their self. It's unfair.

:cool:


Yes sir. :D

[bones]

Yes sir. :D


good to see u pop in still from time to time... miss ya.;)

[visioner]

We live on 42 acres in the Sawtooth Mountains of New Mexico.

Very remote, very peaceful. Were looking for other who are seeking
a way out of the world.

We don't believe in making anyone do anything, non religious, non judgmental,
non militia types.

Please stop by and visit our site
Time is short, make plans to ascend


Peace and Love

Dan

[rob menard]

http://forum.worldfreemansociety.org/viewtopic.php?f=85&t=1926


I had a charge of "driving while prohibited" that I was supposed to go to court for today. It was to late to do a claim of right.
I am fairly new at this but with the aid of Rob's study/ information package and freeman Doug's help and 2 days of studing I put together an affidavit of truth.
Yesturday, in the morning, I filed the affidavit with the court house in North Vancouver. At 3:30pm the same day, the prosecutor phoned me and told me not to come into court for they have dropped the charges.
The prosecutors reasons were over a letter that I sent to the Superintendent of Motor Vehicles which was mentioned in my affidavit but not attached. She had to of requested of copy of the letter from the superintendent that day. The letter gave her an "out" to dealing with my affidavit in court.
To be phoned at home before court shows how much this all works.

Scott

I have received many such as this... :D

[rob menard]

http://www.spanglefish.com/pmf/index.asp?pageid=207825

Many are doing this.

[irollaround]

http://www.spanglefish.com/pmf/index.asp?pageid=207825

Many are doing this.

You're right. There are many doing and advocating this (FMOTL) or becoming a sovereign. And there are many more who are aware of this movement, but are not sure enough yet to make the/a move towards it.

I feel bad that you have kind of become the whipping boy around here, as if you're the only one advocating it.

Much love for you. Keep up the good fight. :)

[visioner]

I have been a so called sovereign for the last 25 years. Its a hard thing to do for most people. Hell their wives, children, friends, co workers etc will all think you have joined the foil hat brigade and hell everyone knows that once you are classified as a official foil hat wearer then life is only down hill from there for you.

But now in my own opinion it won't matter much any more, the entire world but from my perspective here in the USA things are going from bad to worse.

TPTB need a big war and they need it soon, and it looks to me that they are arranging the chess peices right now.

It does not matter to me who is a freeman and who is not, once they push the button for war we'll all be the same

Dan

[rob menard]

Whipping man, thank you. :D;)

[steven1]

No there are none

Sorry for making you look ;)

[edelweiss pirate]

I have been a so called sovereign for the last 25 years. Its a hard thing to do for most people. Hell their wives, children, friends, co workers etc will all think you have joined the foil hat brigade and hell everyone knows that once you are classified as a official foil hat wearer then life is only down hill from there for you.

But now in my own opinion it won't matter much any more, the entire world but from my perspective here in the USA things are going from bad to worse.

TPTB need a big war and they need it soon, and it looks to me that they are arranging the chess peices right now.

It does not matter to me who is a freeman and who is not, once they push the button for war we'll all be the same

Dan


You're a real estate salesman aren't you?

[visioner]

You're a real estate salesman aren't you?


No, I never sold real estate, I'm a retired watchmaker. now your turn


Peace
Dan

[swiftex]

In a democratic state, government workers are our servants, since they're appointed by the people we vote to represent us. You want to have more confidence in yourself, mate.:D


Quote:
Originally Posted by girlgye
$67 million of student loans have been discharged in Canada mostly due to CoR discharge claims



They don't exist, it was made up. Only bankruptcy (and loss of your assets) can discharge a debt, but it's doubtful you could file for it in this case.

Ref: Post #127

Bankruptcy does not discharge student loans in Canada, maybe a claim of right with the amount owed set-off on account with the Treasury may work, I never had a reason to try it.
Does anything you have posted here have merit Caca? or more assumptions?

[edelweiss pirate]

No, I never sold real estate, I'm a retired watchmaker. now your turn


Peace
Dan

But you're selling real estate, are you not?

I assume you're selling plots of land in New-Mexico for people who imagine that they won't be safe in the cities.

While this may be a fair assumption, are you doing this for strictly altruistic reasons, or have you found yourself a nice little earner like our mutual friend Rob Menard?

Just being vigilant is all, don't take it personally.

BTW is promoting unfounded paranoid new age theories about 2012 in order to make money strictly ethical?


1+/- acre, 1 year $995 -or- 1+/- acre, 5 years $3,995

So YES, you are indeed a real estate salesman.

Commercial advertising is generally not tolerated on this forum you know... Until Rob turned up that is.... ho hum.

This forum is not a market place, it's a place for communication and sharing ideas.... I find it an insult to members that people just join up and start hawking some 'product' or other, which may or may not be largely useless.

There's always someone who in times of trouble and strife, is still busy trousering the cash.....

[rob menard]

But you're selling real estate, are you not?

I assume you're selling plots of land in New-Mexico for people who imagine that they won't be safe in the cities.

While this may be a fair assumption, are you doing this for strictly altruistic reasons, or have you found yourself a nice little earner like our mutual friend Rob Menard?

Just being vigilant is all, don't take it personally.

BTW is promoting unfounded paranoid new age theories about 2012 in order to make money strictly ethical?




So YES, you are indeed a real estate salesman.

Commercial advertising is generally not tolerated on this forum you know... Until Rob turned up that is.... ho hum.

This forum is not a market place, it's a place for communication and sharing ideas.... I find it an insult to members that people just join up and start hawking some 'product' or other, which may or may not be largely useless.

There's alwasy someone who in times of trouble and strife, is trousering the cash.....

Do you have ANY EVIDENCE of what you are alleging? Do you claim I do not act for altruistic reasons, or that altruism cannot have a financial aspect? I know a Doctor who goes to a 3rd world country every year to provide medical services to the poor. He needs money to do it, and raises it too. Because he needs money to do what he does, his actions are not altruistic. Is that your position when it comes to using money? That I have found a 'nice little earner' and thus have no altruistic motives? Or NOT? Cause I know what my situation is, and you clearly do not. And I am far from rich.

As for sharing ideas, we try to do that and get insulted, attacked and demands are placed upon us to prove the ideas we share do not run counter to what people already accept, and any evidence is automatically rejected. Truth is ignored and falsehoods magnified. YOUR POST BEING AN EXAMPLE. You mention money, but FAIL TO MENTION HOW I GIVE STUFF AWAY. That is your selective awareness that you suffer from and allows you to ignore full truth for a partial one. Is that not dishonest and unethical? Why do you not tell people how I give stuff away? Is it because that would destroy your efforts to unjustly insult me?

I find it funny you can't post without talking about me, even when I am not part of the discussion.

Why is that? Bit obsessed are you?
Ever wonder why you and your group spend so much time and energy talking about me? Always trying to dis or denigrate my efforts or myself? Cause I sure do...

[edelweiss pirate]

Do you have ANY EVIDENCE of what you are alleging? Do you claim I do not act for altruistic reasons, or that altruism cannot have a financial aspect? I know a Doctor who goes to a 3rd world country every year to provide medical services to the poor. He needs money to do it, and raises it too. Because he needs money to do what he does, his actions are not altruistic. Is that your position when it comes to using money? That I have found a 'nice little earner' and thus have no altruistic motives? Or NOT? Cause I know what my situation is, and you clearly do not. And I am far from rich.

As for sharing ideas, we try to do that and get insulted, attacked and demands are placed upon us to prove the ideas we share do not run counter to what people already accept, and any evidence is automatically rejected.

I find it funny you can't post without talking about me, even when I am not part of the discussion.

Why is that? Bit obsessed are you?
Ever wonder why you and your group spend so much time and energy talking about me? Always trying to dis or denigrate my efforts or myself? Cause I sure do...

Hi Rob. I have nothing against the ideas and the theory behind it.....

It just seems to me fairly obvious that it just isn't working....

It's a hustle is all. You're making money selling a product which just doesn't work. Not only that, a product which gets people prison sentences and large fines....

BTW what's happened to Pleasuredome? I haven't seen them post here for a while.

Whether intentionally or not, what you are doing is BAD.

I'm surprised you're still alowed to post here to be honest.... How many fines and prison sentences have been handed to people because of your actions?

[rob menard]

Hi Rob. I have nothing against the ideas and the theory behind it.....

It just seems to me fairly obvious that it just isn't working....

It's a hustle is all. You're making money selling a product which just doesn't work. Not only that, a product which gets people prison sentences and large fines....

BTW what's happened to Pleasuredome? I haven't them post here for a while.

Whether intentionally or not, what you are doing is BAD.

IT seems fairly obvious to me that it is working, growing and gaining public support.

It is not a hustle. Government is the hustle. Banking is the hustle. You have no idea how I make my money, clearly. I have had many more people tell me they have found remedy and success then I have had people complain it does not work. The only ones who say it does not work, are those who have not tried it, or tried it half-assed, and tried to swim with a foot on shore, or a heavy wallet. Or those who presently benefit form the banking government scam.

People who end up in jail end up there not for these beliefs, but for their actions. Many I admit turn to these concepts too late and to avoid lawful obligations. It does not work for that, some failures you point to are failures for that reason.

In any event you have your opinion, and I have mine. Difference being I do not feel a compulsion to continually insult you for yours. Whereas you can't seem to post for a one week period without specifically mentioning me personally.

[ipso facto]

Do you have ANY EVIDENCE of what you are alleging? Do you claim I do not act for altruistic reasons, or that altruism cannot have a financial aspect? I know a Doctor who goes to a 3rd world country every year to provide medical services to the poor. He needs money to do it, and raises it too. Because he needs money to do what he does, his actions are not altruistic. Is that your position when it comes to using money? That I have found a 'nice little earner' and thus have no altruistic motives? Or NOT? Cause I know what my situation is, and you clearly do not. And I am far from rich. Sorry, altruism is the principle or practice of unselfish concern for the welfare of others. In your doctors case, it is helping people in the 3rd world without gain. The money he raises is for the cause (him going) but he doesn't make ANYTHING from it. You on the other hand, do not act altruistically because you make money from the 'ideas' you sell. This is very different. If you worked in a gas station to earn your living expenses and gave your information for 'free' with no money attached to the 'idea' - that is an altruistic act. It's the same with DI - he's not altruistic, he charges a fortune for appearances, books etc. They are all scams preying on the disillusioned.

As for sharing ideas, we try to do that and get insulted, attacked and demands are placed upon us to prove the ideas we share do not run counter to what people already accept, and any evidence is automatically rejected. No you don't share ideas - you tell people that this is the way and if they don't agree or dare to question, they are not ready, not enlightened, can't let go or similar phrases - that's not sharing, that is telling - sharing would take on board others ideas as well.

Truth is ignored and falsehoods magnified.So you admit that the freemen aren't always truthful?

You mention money, but FAIL TO MENTION HOW I GIVE STUFF AWAY. That is your selective awareness that you suffer from and allows you to ignore full truth for a partial one. Is that not dishonest and unethical? Why do you not tell people how I give stuff away? Is it because that would destroy your efforts to unjustly insult me?If you give stuff away, why do you gain from YouTube clicks? why do you put a price on your DVD's? You sucker people in, then charge them for what they think they want - you don't care about these people, an altruistic person would. Snake Oil Salesman. The truth is not ignored - you CHARGE!!

Why is that? Bit obsessed are you?
Ever wonder why you and your group spend so much time and energy talking about me? Always trying to dis or denigrate my efforts or myself? Cause I sure do...Nothing to do with being obsessed. We DO have concern for others (what is our gain?) unlike you. You get talked about because you are the one who spouts off the most shite. Denigrate your efforts? You make it sound like you are doing it for the benefit of mankind - pffff - you have a crusade in getting at the government, we have a crusade to give a balanced argument like on other forums where everyone agrees - all Yes men following a simpleton around. Anyone coming here can see that there is an argument for and against - a balance. That is why people don't like it.

[rob menard]

Sorry, altruism is the principle or practice of unselfish concern for the welfare of others. In your doctors case, it is helping people in the 3rd world without gain. The money he raises is for the cause (him going) but he doesn't make ANYTHING from it. You on the other hand, do not act altruistically because you make money from the 'ideas' you sell. This is very different. If you worked in a gas station to earn your living expenses and gave your information for 'free' with no money attached to the 'idea' - that is an altruistic act. It's the same with DI - he's not altruistic, he charges a fortune for appearances, books etc. They are all scams preying on the disillusioned.


You do not know that. How do you know what my costs are? Or how I spend my money? Or how much time I spend helping others? Quite simply you have no knowledge whatsoever and you are relying on rumour, conjecture and your own past insults, which now apparently you have repeated so many times it is truth to you. Still not based in reality though.


No you don't share ideas - you tell people that this is the way and if they don't agree or dare to question, they are not ready, not enlightened, can't let go or similar phrases - that's not sharing, that is telling - sharing would take on board others ideas as well.
Those are your words, you are trying to assign them to me. You said that, not I. Sorry, have you lost it sop bad you can no longer remember what you said and what someone else has said? Sheesh...:rolleyes:

So you admit that the freemen aren't always truthful?

Um, when did I ever make such a ridiculous and insane statement? IS that what you think? Absolutely classic STRAWMAN ARGUMENT! Are you admitting that people who aren't freemen are less likely to be honest? Are you claiming one has anything to do with the other? I admit PEOPLE are not always truthful, and I admit Freemen are people. What is your point?


If you give stuff away, why do you gain from YouTube clicks? why do you put a price on your DVD's? You sucker people in, then charge them for what they think they want - you don't care about these people, an altruistic person would. Snake Oil Salesman. The truth is not ignored - you CHARGE!!

I do not gain from youtube clicks, at least not that I am aware of. AGAIN YOU ARE SO VERY VERY WRONG! Yes I charge for my efforts, and I give away for free to those who can't afford. JUST LIKE THE DOCTOR!! And just like him, the money I make from those who choose to pay, allows me to help those who cannot. Anyone can get it for free. Why do you not focus on that, instead of the fact that I also sometimes charge? I have given away far more then I have charged for. Likely 100 to 1 given to bought. Yet you focus on the 1% of the packages I have been paid for. Incidentally a lot fo the rest of the money does not even go to me, but to the SOCIETY of which I am a member. Skanky Cranky Loveless Hag. The truth is ignored I GIVE AWAY FOR FREE TOO! Why do you ignore THAT TRUTH? HMMMM? Same reason your hubby ignores your sagging ass? YOu can't handle the truth right?

Nothing to do with being obsessed. We DO have concern for others (what is our gain?) unlike you. You get talked about because you are the one who spouts off the most shite. Denigrate your efforts? You make it sound like you are doing it for the benefit of mankind - pffff - you have a crusade in getting at the government, we have a crusade to give a balanced argument like on other forums where everyone agrees - all Yes men following a simpleton around. Anyone coming here can see that there is an argument for and against - a balance. That is why people don't like it.


I see so you and you alone have a monopoly on caring for your fellow man, yet in so many of your past posts you have expressed a desire to see those who disagree with you harmed, jailed, and rendered homeless. And you speak of balance?

Answer this then smart one:
Can YOU personally govern me without my consent?
A simple yes or no will settle this argument once and for all.

If yes, then prove it, and if no, then I win and the argument is over.

WILL YOU ANSWER OR NOT? YOU KNOW SO PEOPLE CAN HAVE BALANCE.

How do you like that balance?
Incidentally, why not share with others how you help the planet? What charities are you involved in? How exactly do you help anyone, you saggy, lazy, and obsessed with this forum empty nester? Can't shut off your maternal curcuit and sad no one needs you anymore? Is that why you come here and try to mother everyone with your superior knowledge, insisting that we respect you cause you are 'older' and ' wiser'? :rolleyes:

PS- Gravy is NOT a beverage. Go get some exercise!

[steven1]

Can YOU personally govern me without my consent?

the Canadian government has your consent by you living in Canada.
IF YOU WITHDRAW IT IT MATTERS NOT.

you live in Canada and as such are subject to its laws.

[rob menard]

the Canadian government has your consent by you living in Canada.
IF YOU WITHDRAW IT IT MATTERS NOT.

you live in Canada and as such are subject to its laws.

SAYS WHO? YOU? SOME OTHER HUMANBEING WHOSE OPINION IS WORTH NO MORE THEN YOURS?

SAYS WHO STEVEN1? bBy that I mean besides you.

The Canadian Government is composed of people, who are equal with me, and as such they are not entitled by law to 'govern' me without my consent. They are not magical beings who do not require my consent. They realize they are merely people, we are all equal, and they are not the government of anything without consent. And they know it. Unless of course you want us to believe you speak on their behalf? Why is it you make claims on their behalf they will not make themselves?

I live in Canada, I do not consent to being governed by those who are merely equal to me, and the PEOPLE in the government, have no authority over me for that reason.

The ignorant always refer to the people in the government as 'The Government' like they are not people and thus above the law. They do the same with the PEOPLE who work in the courts, referring to them collectively as 'The Courts'. I am not saying that it is always wring to use the contraction form, but if they do it with intent to get you to forget these basic truths they seek to deceive you.

The people next door do not have my consent to govern me, merely because I live next door.
The people employed by the government do not have the power to govern me, a FREEMAN merely because I live in Canada, any more then my neighbour would have the right to govern me, without my consent merely for my physical location.

Hey lets settle it! Is there anyone here who is willing to claim THEY PERSONALLY can govern me without my consent, or who can prove they are legally entitled to speak for the people in the government here in Canada? NO?

ANYONE?

Okay so it is agreed. Steven1 admits he does not speak for the people of Canada, nor anyone here employed by the government, and he is incapable of providing proof to the contrary, and he admits he personally can't govern me without consent.

Is that not right asky/steven1?
You admiot you can't govern me without my consent, and you admit you are not qualified to speak for anyone else.

Cool. :rolleyes:

You are coming along... :D

[steven1]

again a lot of waffle with no substance, its all just words and no action Rob.

You consent to the Government of Canada by living in Canada.
If you break the law they will take you to task, your words will matter not a jot.

Try it Rob, see how it works out for you.

Oh no.. actually testing your theories is not for you is it, you need others to do that for you, Freeman terry and Joshua can attest to that.

Grow some balls Menard and walk the walk, WHY ARE THERE NO VIDEOS OF YOU LAYING IT TO "THE MAN" IN COURT?

I think that says it all dont you?

[micklemus]

Well said steven1. That's the point.

Anyone can say they don't consent to the government. Hey, I'll jump on that bandwagon too - "I don't consent to the government".

Does it mean anything other than words? Does it mean that the government of the day is prevented from exercising authority over me? No.

So, come on Rob, show us how you've cracked that one and become immune to statutes and government power (except of course the bits you agree with). Show us the power of your teachings.

[rob menard]

You consent to the Government of Canada by living in Canada.
WHO?
Remember they are only people, and we are all equal, so who are they to say my consent is a result of being in a certain geographical area?

Simply put asky dancer, No I do not.

Who is better qualified to determine if I give MY consent? YOU or me? I say me, and I say I have not consented, as a matter of fact, I have actively revoked it. So since I have documents which establish I have lawfully revoked consent, and I am qualified to speak for myself, and YOU ARE NOT, who do you think is right? Still you? If that is the case, would you not agree your ego is so large it is no pressing on your brain and affecting your ability to think rationally?

Logic and reason says, since you are not qualified to speak for me, you can't give my consent, and your claim that I have consented is beyond ludicrous. How would you know if I consented or not? Mere geographical location? Shit... Do you not know what consent even is?

Can you provide evidence I granted you the right to speak on my behalf? If not, you are simply completely absolutely and forever unqualified to speak about what I consent to or not. Therefore your staement that I consent to some other people being the Government of Canada and haivng unlawful power over me is supported by no evidence or reason or logic or law.

You are desperately merely repeating you talking points, and add nothing in the form of evidence or proof.

Prove I consent to being governed merely for being here, in the face of the fact that I have revoked consent to be governed, and the people here who govern others have accepted they do not govern me.

PROVE IT LOSER!

[steven1]

prove it?

What you have done is simply say your mantra of "I dont consent"

You have done nothing to establish the fact that it actually means anything.
You haven't even got the bottle to drive a car.

the burden of proof lies with you Rob, your the one claiming you are immune from the laws of Canada, its time you showed your boot lickers what you're made of.

[rob menard]

prove it?

What you have done is simply say your mantra of "I dont consent"

You have done nothing to establish the fact that it actually means anything.
You haven't even got the bottle to drive a car.

the burden of proof lies with you Rob, your the one claiming you are immune from the laws of Canada, its time you showed your boot lickers what you're made of.
No the burden of proof is on the ones attempting to govern. And they can't bear it without individual consent.
And because they can't, I carry on on my way with no requirement to prove anything, as I did not make the initial claim. My claim followed theirs, thus the burden is on them.

You clearly have no idea how the law works, or you are trying to shift the burden of proof by trying to get people to be like you, ignorant of fact that the people in the government made the original claim and thus they have the burden of proof.

Why not help them with that asky, since you are so sure of their rights? They are struggling with it here.

This is the proof I offer people here, which they test and often find it works.
Wen someone comes and claims the right to govern you, tell them you do not consent, and then HAVE THEM PROVE THEY DO NOT NEED THE CONSENT and watch them run.

It works here, and people are doing it.
See asky the burden is not mine, and never was. It is on the government to prove they do not need my consent, or that I have given it. If they can't their mask falls and they are no longer lawfully my government, andthey are merely people.

Just people.
Equal to me, and not empowered to govern.

It so easy, only an idiot, or someone trying to hide the truth, would think the burden of proof is mine, when clearly mine is a response to a previous claim and it is that claiminat with the duty to prove.

WHICH THEY CAN NEVER DO! THAT IS WHY YOU TRY HERE TO SHIFT THE BURDEN TO ME.

Nice try, but you are still a LOSER and a welsher!!

[steven1]

No the burden of proof is on the ones attempting to govern. And they can't bear it without individual consent.

Rob, they will prove it to you if you finally pluck up the courage to test out your theories.

Until then you consent by obeying the law.
Its not difficult Rob, everyone can see your flawed argument.

rob wrote
Wen someone comes and claims the right to govern you, tell them you do not consent, and then HAVE THEM PROVE THEY DO NOT NEED THE CONSENT and watch them run.

ROB, YOU CONSENT, YOU JUST SAY YOU DON'T THAT'S ALL, ITS JUST BLUFF AND BLUSTER.

[ipso facto]

prove it?

What you have done is simply say your mantra of "I dont consent"

You have done nothing to establish the fact that it actually means anything.
You haven't even got the bottle to drive a car.

the burden of proof lies with you Rob, your the one claiming you are immune from the laws of Canada, its time you showed your boot lickers what you're made of.Like the woman in the video did as the police carted her off LOL :rolleyes:

[ipso facto]

Incidentally a lot fo the rest of the money does not even go to me, but to the SOCIETY of which I am a member. Skanky Cranky Loveless Hag. The truth is ignored I GIVE AWAY FOR FREE TOO! Why do you ignore THAT TRUTH? HMMMM? Ssame reason your hubby ignores your sagging ass? YOu can't handle the truth right?Getting a little rattled there Lennie! Why are you projecting your vitriol and hatred onto me??? Are you projecting your loneliness and desire for companionship that you would denigrate (:)) me and my husband? Are you jealous because I have a loving relationship with a man and you don't have someone in your life who loves you unconditionally? You are a sad article.

I see so you and you alone have a monopoly on caring for your fellow man, yet in so many of your past posts you have expressed a desire to see those who disagree with you harmed, jailed, and rendered homeless. And you speak of balance?No, you twist my words to suit your purposes. I simply say if someone wants to prove they can break the law by driving at 140mph, I have no sympathy if they crash and burn. If people want to break the law, expect to be jailed. If you don't want to pay your mortgage, don't expect not to lose your home. These people if they have followed the freeman advice and got themselves into the shite, hey ho, who else is to blame :D

Answer this then smart one:
Can YOU personally govern me without my consent?
A simple yes or no will settle this argument once and for all.Get a grip Lennie, you have spittle on your mouth. Firstly, why would I want to govern you personally? Do you like the idea of a dominatrix? http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq218/aliferzwife/Smileys/Dominatrix.gifSecondly, it is not a question that can be answered as simply with a yes or a no - I have no authority to govern anyone.

If yes, then prove it, and if no, then I win and the argument is over.Well of course - that goes without saying but the argument is far from over - you are governed by government, isn't that obvious and as yet, you haven't proved otherwise :rolleyes:

WILL YOU ANSWER OR NOT? YOU KNOW SO PEOPLE CAN HAVE BALANCE.What's rattled your cage, why are you shouting??

Incidentally, why not share with others how you help the planet?I recycle as much as I can. In fact, I often write to companies when I think they've been excessive with their packaging - a few have taken it on board. I buy organic food. We recently had solar panels put on the roof which now heats our water. I have been involved in clearing and creating natural woodland areas to encourage wildlife back where they belong. I walk/ride a bike where I can, rather than take the car - I can't use public transport living out in the middle of the countryside. Ooooh, there are lots of things I do for the plant.

What charities?For three days a week I volunteer at an advisory service which has been run as a charity for the last 70 years - I fight the system everyday. I also volunteer with an outreach service, again based on charitable funds for the homeless ensuring that people are well (as they can be on the street) - this is generally twice a week but more so in the winter months, so busy time coming in the next couple of months - by the way, I go out at night in a van with one other between 10pm and 2am. Two days a week, I volunteer at a Women's Refuge working with women and children who are obviously running away from violent or predatory men. I'm involved with lots things.

How exactly do you help anyone,Think I've explained sufficient above. Oh, for about 18mths I worked in a school for boys with emotional behavioural difficulties - some of them had been simply been conceived for paedos, some had been wilfully neglected, sexually mentally or physically abused and in actual fact, working with this lads showed me that you will never be able to have people take responsibility and use reason and logic. I'm still in communication with 3 of the boys I helped, they are in their 20's now and have a high regard for me as I was there for them, when no one else was, but you wouldn't know anything about helping others unless it was something to get back at the law and your own personal victory :rolleyes:

you saggy, lazy, and obsessed with this forum empty nester? Can't shut off your maternal curcuit and sad no one needs you anymore?Oh how sad are you. Why do you keep referring to me as saggy - sexy may be - saggy mmmm... have a very good figure for my age but you will have to take my word for that as I won't be posting pictures. I can hardly be called lazy - I have a very fulfilling life and have a warm and loving family. You assume I'm an empty nester, but I feel that this is another projection from you - because you are lonely.

Is that why you come here and try to mother everyone with your superior knowledge, insisting that we respect you cause you are 'older' and ' wiser'? :rolleyes:

PS- Gravy is NOT a beverage. Go get some exercise!Now when do I command or demand respect???? I surprised at how much you can personally attack a female as you do but this is probably just another one of your projections - was your mother a saggy, lazy hag who overpowered you and that is why you can't have a relationship with a real woman? huh?

What is this gravy is not a beverage? All depends on where you come from I guess - never heard of beef tea? Exercise? Get plenty of that sweetcheeks not necessarily in the ways you think though if you know what I mean? :D

Oh Lennie, I think it's good to release some of this pent up frustration and anger and if it makes you feel better to aim your hatred at me, then feel free, I understand the problems with the mother complex.

EDIT: Ooooh, I forgot - helping people - just recently started a business as a probate researcher - if I find beneficiaries of folk who have died intestate, they get the dosh not the government. Whoop whoop..... see what a caring loving kinda gal I am - you know you gotta love me :D

[swiftex]

Originally Posted by rob menard View Post

If yes, then prove it, and if no, then I win and the argument is over.





Secondly, it is not a question that can be answered as simply with a yes or a no - I have no authority to govern anyone.

Well of course - that goes without saying but the argument is far from over - you are governed by government, isn't that obvious and as yet, you haven't proved otherwise :rolleyes:




1. Answer: NO, the controversy is over

2. Answer: NO, the Government has no authority without your consent


THE PROOF: Day 1 of human life on this earth

[steven1]

swiftex, are you having some kind of breakdown?

You really need to take a back seat for a while.

[swiftex]

swiftex, are you having some kind of breakdown?

You really need to take a back seat for a while.

sorry stevo today I lay claim to my sovereignty...

[steven1]

its just a claim, it means nothing, perhaps you should write it down in an affidavit.

[swiftex]

its just a claim, it means nothing, perhaps you should write it down in an affidavit.

Being a Freeman, Woman, or whatever is your God given BIRTH RIGHT.

You have made every attempt to take away or denounce this right.

This is a fact and cannot be disputed.

[visioner]

well I guess you could say that I have been out of the system and off the grid for the last 4+ years.

It requires a bit of adjustment, for me the first year I had lot a things to get use to. Everyone is different, for me it was all the free time, I use it mostly to get rest and think.

After the first year I was a changed person, I did not care much about things that we "so important" before.

Prepare to have to make changes in your life and for the most part the change is for the good.

Peace

Dan

[steven1]

how do you manage to get the internet way off in the desert?

[onourway]

IThink I've explained sufficient above. Oh, for about 18mths I worked in a school for boys with emotional behavioural difficulties - some of them had been simply been conceived for paedos, some had been wilfully neglected, sexually mentally or physically abused and in actual fact, working with this lads showed me that you will never be able to have people take responsibility and use reason and logic. I'm still in communication with 3 of the boys I helped, they are in their 20's now and have a high regard for me as I was there for them, when no one else was, but you wouldn't know anything about helping others unless it was something to get back at the law and your own personal victory

I worked with "emotionally disturbed" kids for about 16+ years./.... after a while I thought ....fck all this psychiactric(sp) bullcrap..... I just tried to make sure they had a fun day......sure it was at times more like a day camp than a treatment facility but who cares........the ones I run into now and then seem to being well and seem to remember me with good thoughts.....I treated those kids with much respect......even when they were little d*ckheads...... and I made sure that when they were nice and acted apropriately they were recognized or rewarded......ok......enough

[ipso facto]

I worked with "emotionally disturbed" kids for about 16+ years./.... after a while I thought ....fck all this psychiactric(sp) bullcrap..... I just tried to make sure they had a fun day......sure it was at times more like a day camp than a treatment facility but who cares........the ones I run into now and then seem to being well and seem to remember me with good thoughts.....I treated those kids with much respect......even when they were little d*ckheads...... and I made sure that when they were nice and acted apropriately they were recognized or rewarded......ok......enoughExactly. I treated them as children and gave them the basics (not xboxes etc) of what was fun. Joining in with others, having a laugh, getting exhausted from walking through the woods. Like you, respect was given because that was the very thing they didn't have and again, some were little wotsits but they were all products of what another human had done to them - not the government - someone who was close to them and someone they should have been able to trust. I worked in like a boarding school rather than a 'treatment facility'.

[playdough]

@ Ipso

"...you are governed by government, isn't that obvious(?)..."

What do you consider "government"?

[ipso facto]

@ Ipso

"...you are governed by government, isn't that obvious(?)..."

What do you consider "government"?Playdough, YOU can consider yourself governed if you wish, I do not. I see Government in the much broader sense .....

Government is there to make and administer the public policy and affairs of the country. This may but does not solely include 'governing' people but this is only for those who are unable to make their own decisions with logic and reason with regards to taking responsibility, towards their fellow man, the environment, safety etc.

I am not a subject or governed by the government as I have the freedom to leave this particular system any time I choose but I would have to accept that I would not be able to take or accept anything which that system provides such as health care, education, use of public roads, protection from the police, fire brigade etc - essentially you become a passive outlaw :D

You see it's all very much how you interpret things. If Freeman take the literal sense for everything rather than understanding the words which they desperately twist to fit their ideology, they will see that they aren't really governed, they live in a society with accepted rules which the majority accept. It only becomes an 'order' if you like, when you don't want to live by those rules but still live in that society - it doesn't work like that :D

[cacadores]

can you explain the last bit a little more please?

Are you saying that the debts were made up, that they have no real value, or that the figures given were made up, that the actual amount of loans were made up, or even that the statistics mentioned were made up?

That an ability to 'discharge',
without paying, losing the house or bankcruptcy,
is made up.

[cacadores]

Playdough, YOU can consider yourself governed if you wish, I do not. I see Government in the much broader sense .....
I am not a subject or governed by the government as I have the freedom to leave this particular system any time I choose but I would have to accept that I would not be able to take or accept anything which that system provides such as health care, education, use of public roads, protection from the police, fire brigade etc - essentially you become a passive outlaw :D


Not in England. Not if you're a man.

In England you, free man, made a contract with the Crown in the Bill of Rights, 1688.

It was made on your behalf, by men who gained their position through force of arms.

The Bill still exists.

You are still beholden to it.

As is the Crown.


If you don't like it: tough. It was made for you through force of arms and is therefore an imposition on you. You'd need a revolution to get out of it. At the same time, though, it gives you significant rights.

Significant rights. So why not use them?

[swiftex]

Not in England. Not if you're a man.

In England you, free man, made a contract with the Crown in the Bill of Rights, 1688.

It was made on your behalf, by men who gained their position through force of arms.

The Bill still exists.

You are still beholden to it.

As is the Crown.


If you don't like it: tough. It was made for you through force of arms and is therefore an imposition on you. You'd need a revolution to get out of it. At the same time, though, it gives you significant rights.

Significant rights. So why not use them?

Cacadores: Does the "Crown in the Bill of Rights, 1688"; have effect on the colonies and more particularly Canada, do you know?

Thanks

[playdough]

Playdough, YOU can consider yourself governed if you wish, I do not.

I consider myself as governing myself. I am my own "government."

Government is there to make and administer the public policy and affairs of the country.

What's a "country"?...Isn't that just a legal fiction?

If Freeman take the literal sense for everything rather than understanding the words which they desperately twist to fit their ideology, they will see that they aren't really governed...

I consider myself a freeman. In what way am I twisting the idea of the individual freedom allowed by self-governance into some sort if ideology; or is that the "if" you mentioned?

...they live in a society with accepted rules which the majority accept.

No they don't; what you are talking about is democracy. I don't live in, nor will I accept governance from any democracy, either representational or direct. (Democracy is to be reserved for our elected/appointed public servants, like Queens, parliaments & such, so they can vote on the most acceptable legislation to administer our affairs for us.)

...It only becomes an 'order' if you like, when you don't want to live by those rules but still live in that society - it doesn't work like that :D

Granted...It doesn't and it shouldn't. Much of the confusion, anger & public outrage stems from the deceptive intention of legislators and the erroneous assumptions of the people. Nobody knows their proper place anymore. We have servants who have conned people into thinking they are servants of their public servants! Obviously, this can't go on for much longer!

Very soon now, we will dispense with the need for "countries" and become (finally) the single republic of sovereign individuals called "humanity", united under the rule of (real) law. :)

Needless to say...The banks & lawyers will not be happy; they'll all be out of business! :eek:

[swiftex]

Needless to say...The banks & lawyers will not be happy; they'll all be out of business! :eek:

That would be the greatest event in our modern day history.....

Here's, wishing upon a star...:D

[onourway]

Exactly. I treated them as children and gave them the basics (not xboxes etc) of what was fun. Joining in with others, having a laugh, getting exhausted from walking through the woods. Like you, respect was given because that was the very thing they didn't have and again, some were little wotsits but they were all products of what another human had done to them - not the government - someone who was close to them and someone they should have been able to trust. I worked in like a boarding school rather than a 'treatment facility'.

Hi ipso, while I don't agree with much of your viewpoints I am really impressed with all the stuff you do.....that is REALLY cool.... and while I agree with much of rob's viewpoints I thought it was very uncool for him to say those disparaging remarks......certainly doesn't help his cause IMHO..... anyhow, keep up the good work.....even if don't agree......wish I could say I did 20% of what you do!

[joe white]

i know, she 's a better christian than all the bible thumpers on this forum.

[ipso facto]

Very soon now, we will dispense with the need for "countries" and become (finally) the single republic of sovereign individuals called "humanity", united under the rule of (real) law. :)Don't tell me, and we all live happily ever after - right :rolleyes:

[ipso facto]

Hi ipso, while I don't agree with much of your viewpoints I am really impressed with all the stuff you do.....that is REALLY cool.... and while I agree with much of rob's viewpoints I thought it was very uncool for him to say those disparaging remarks......certainly doesn't help his cause IMHO..... anyhow, keep up the good work.....even if don't agree......wish I could say I did 20% of what you do!Thank you Onourway your comments are appreciated and I respect your honesty. We all live our lives in different ways, there are limitations but I don't think they are all bad. You are right it doesn't do Rob's reputation any good, I believe if you have a good argument it will stand up to scrutiny and you won't resort to these kind of tactics. Rob has been shown up to be narcissistic and in order to get any kind of support, he needs to know how to handle criticism.

[ipso facto]

i know, she 's a better christian than all the bible thumpers on this forum.Not even a Christian :) Just someone who tries to respect the planet, living in this society has done me no harm and I have achieved plenty in it, I am at a place and time in life where I can give something back.

[playdough]

Don't tell me, and we all live happily ever after - right :rolleyes:

I do...Don't you? :D

[ipso facto]

I do...Don't you? :DI do but many don't and I was making a response to your one sovereign world

Don't tell me, and we all live happily ever after - right :rolleyes:Some will, some won't :D

[swiftex]

Hi ipso, while I don't agree with much of your viewpoints I am really impressed with all the stuff you do.....that is REALLY cool.... and while I agree with much of rob's viewpoints I thought it was very uncool for him to say those disparaging remarks......certainly doesn't help his cause IMHO..... anyhow, keep up the good work.....even if don't agree......wish I could say I did 20% of what you do!


door swings both ways...

[swiftex]

i know, she 's a better christian than all the bible thumpers on this forum.

whats being a Christian got to do with the price of eggs?

[playdough]

I do but many don't and I was making a response to your one sovereign world

Some will, some won't :D

I know you were making a response to that. The only thing that stands in the way is people's knowledge of who they really are...but I'm working on that. It's kinda lonely at the top doncha think? (Besides I'm getting tired of Liz's farting when she thinks nobody can hear... there are other clues to that activity.)

[swiftex]

Thank you Onourway your comments are appreciated and I respect your honesty. We all live our lives in different ways, there are limitations but I don't think they are all bad. You are right it doesn't do Rob's reputation any good, I believe if you have a good argument it will stand up to scrutiny and you won't resort to these kind of tactics. Rob has been shown up to be narcissistic and in order to get any kind of support, he needs to know how to handle criticism.


There is a difference between narcissism and wearing your heart on your sleeve.

From my observation Rob has not been subjected to criticism for the most part, usually it has been very narrowly focused and brutally presented without consideration that this person may have feelings just like you or I do.

Actually his response to most of the questions put to him are responded to in a well thought out and factual manner.

What is prevalent is the inflection within his response of which is raw human emotion triggered by the manner that the initial or counter response was presented by the other party. This is what ends up being the focus of attention and not the initial question and answer in the purest form.

I hope this helps give some meaning to the merry go round.

[playdough]

Has anyone heard of SOTE? If so, what do you think about it?

[steven1]

do you have a link to their website?

[playdough]

do you have a link to their website?

No website (yet), but my understanding is that you're one of them, so why not start one? Are you not a *Sovereign Of The Earth? :D

*(SOTE)

[tom bombadil]

Has anyone heard of SOTE? If so, what do you think about it?

Please, who are SOTE?


Nelly.

[playdough]

Please, who are SOTE?


Nelly.

Nobody seems to know. I guess it must just be another legend of the "Holy Grail."

[steven1]

Nobody seems to know. I guess it must just be another legend of the "Holy Grail."

Or they could be the Illuminati :cool:

[playdough]

Or they could be the Illuminati :cool:

Could they be who the Illuminati's Boss works for?

[tom bombadil]

Could it be; Something Other Than Epiphany?


Nelly.

[playdough]

Could it be; Something Other Than Epiphany?


Nelly.

I think it takes an epiphany to know what it really means!

I originally thought it meant "Sovereigns Of The Earth" and that because most people didn't know "who they are", that even most of the people who belonged to it wouldn't know, so it was really (just like them) an organization of the human imagination. It got its existence from the belief that it existed. The ones who belong to it don't need a formal organization "in writing" because they either know they belong to it, or because they don't know there's anything to join, which is fine, because they already belong.

So SOTE is a paradox really; it is the riddle of its own existence. It is the Ultimate secret society because it is a secret kept even from most of the members. The criteria of membership is knowing you already belong and most people don't know that. The ones who do, don't see a need to tell anyone, so it doesn't officially exist anywhere. Just the same, it exists by virtue of the members who know they belong to it and they are currently few in number, but they are a force more powerful than a hundred "Illuminati's". In a very real sense, much of the Illuminati is composed of them and they have been busily corroding it's internal structure for awhile now. Soon, the Illuminati will fall apart. it will dissolve because much of it's own membership will belong to the higher secret society that is due to destroy it.

Most of us don't know who SOTE is, but it is that very secret society. It's safety from detection lies in the fact that it doesn't exist and its strength comes from the members who don't know they belong to it! They are invincible and unstoppable and I have sensed that somehow. They have achieved their initial takeover goal of reaching their hundredth knowing member. They could have been stopped before, but there is no stopping them now. They have become a juggernaut that will soon dominate the planet! :eek:

The whole thing about SOTE is found in paradox. It is at once unknown and the answer to all questions. It is the self-answering question that never gets asked. because it answers itself, it is the solution to all problems. What could solve all our problems for us but God? Could it be that SOTE is also the Riddle of God Himself? Is it the paradox of that which doesn't exist coming to save us in our time of need? Is it the paradox of not needing a God to save us from ourselves?

Is it possible that only knowing the consistent answer to all these apparent paradoxes is the answer to what SOTE is?...Only the knowing membership knows. They have solved all riddles and reconciled all paradoxes. If they aren't gods themselves, they have solved the riddle of God and know that He exists...in them...which makes them of ONE MIND...it makes them GOD and they communicate telepathically because they ARE simultaneously one and many. They think alike because they are one. They act individually but don't know who the others are. so taking out one or two won't matter now. They took out Jesus (or someone like that) 2000 years ago. They've been picking them off one-by-one throughout history. "They" haven't been winning; the best they could do was keep the genie in the bottle because the number was so small. It was one thing to pick off a Jesus or a Gandhi, when they were "one-of-a-kind", but how are they gonna take on what I sense now to be over a hundred of them???

Th Illuminati, the lizard people, the Bilderbergers, the Power grid, the Masons, the vatican...it doesn't matter who it is or what you call them; they are about to go down for the count and they know it. This is almost 2012, and it does presage the end of the world...and the dawn of a New Age... but it won't go down according to the script. Oh...they might try a light show (or something like Project Bluebeam), but even that will work against them because everybody is going to laugh about it and defeat the "master plan", because by then everyone will know the real "Secret of the Holy grail". It will also be a paradox in the sense that the secret once known will be simultaneously too astonishing to believe because it's so mundane it defies it's own credibility.

If you can tell me who SOTE is, it can only be because you are a member, who woke up and figured out "who you really are."

[steven1]

I have been busy testing out the freeman theories whilst I have been on holiday again and am going to post my stories as a sort of open online blog.

I have bought a scrap car and have had 3 encounters with the policy enforcers so far.
Encounter 1
I was stopped whilst traveling and was asked why I had no registration plate on the car.
I explained that I was a freeman on the land and that it wasn't a requirement to hand over my property to the DVLA.
The officer seemed slightly bemused and didn't understand at first but I explained all about the videos I had seen on youtube and the research I had done in relation to statutes not being real laws.
He then ran my details through the police computer and it came back as "statutory legislation does not apply".
He seemed confused but i explained about my notices that I had sent and he finally admitted that he knew all about it and was just playing dumb because most freeman make a mistake during the discussion and create joinder.
He said he admired my style and that he would rather I didn't tell anyone else about our encounter.
He also advised me to just ask any other officers I may deal with to simply run my details through the computer and I would be fine.
encounters 2&3 went exactly to plan and I went on my way without any further hassle.
The police have now let me pass on a number off occasions since and just flash their lights and smile and give me a knowing wink.

I will be updating this thread with all my experiences as I go.
Have any other freeman been testing out the theories of late who wish to share their experiences.

peace steven1

Since these are success stories i thought it best to post them here, at least this thread wont be derailed.

[rob menard]

They could have been stopped before, but there is no stopping them now.

They (TPTB) were too busy laughing.

Their use of deception and reliance on our ignorance and greed resulted in arrogance and incredulousness which resulted in them failing to see certain tools we had at our disposal, which they do not possess, and thus could not understand the power they held. It is like attacking an army that has machine guns and artillery, without even knowing what those are, let alone having them yourself.

They had a pretty clever plan, but they failed to factor in one simple thing. And because of that, when it came, they failed to recognize how it would be their downfall.

They even laughed at it. They dismissed it derisively.

[steven1]

I have been busy testing out the freeman theories whilst I have been on holiday again and am going to post my stories as a sort of open online blog.

I have bought a scrap car and have had 3 encounters with the policy enforcers so far.
Encounter 1
I was stopped whilst traveling and was asked why I had no registration plate on the car.
I explained that I was a freeman on the land and that it wasn't a requirement to hand over my property to the DVLA.
The officer seemed slightly bemused and didn't understand at first but I explained all about the videos I had seen on youtube and the research I had done in relation to statutes not being real laws.
He then ran my details through the police computer and it came back as "statutory legislation does not apply".
He seemed confused but i explained about my notices that I had sent and he finally admitted that he knew all about it and was just playing dumb because most freeman make a mistake during the discussion and create joinder.
He said he admired my style and that he would rather I didn't tell anyone else about our encounter.
He also advised me to just ask any other officers I may deal with to simply run my details through the computer and I would be fine.
encounters 2&3 went exactly to plan and I went on my way without any further hassle.
The police have now let me pass on a number off occasions since and just flash their lights and smile and give me a knowing wink.

I will be updating this thread with all my experiences as I go.
Have any other freeman been testing out the theories of late who wish to share their experiences.

peace steven1

Since these are success stories i thought it best to post them here, at least this thread wont be derailed.

Rob, this thread is for success stories, please dont try and post to bury my successes.
If you have anymore success stories they would be of use to the other forum members.

[rob menard]

rob, this thread is for success stories, please dont try and post to bury my successes.
If you have anymore success stories they would be of use to the other forum members.

you little steven are my greatest success story!:d

[steven1]

I'm glad you are happy, I'm now out there testing the theories rather than sitting around talking, it felt great being where you are now, but once you really start to test the theories yourself its a whole new world.

[rob menard]

You have no idea where I am now, nor have you been where I have. I do wish you well though, and hope your condescension serves your ego as you hope..

[steven1]

I know exactly where you are, you are back in your one bed flat after failing to convince Ray to let you live on his land and build a hobbit home.

I on the other hand am traveling in my carriage free from the clutches of the policy enforcers.

Get outside and feel the wind in your hair.

[rob menard]

FROM A FREEMAN IN SUDBURY
I made my name plate to replace my license plates about 3 months ago, that read "Lawfully-Traveling-Without-Restrictions". I have been followed by peace officers, been given a dirty look by another peace officer and was followed into a store by another, yet I have never been stopped, or questioned.

Everyone likes my new name plate, and they ask me all kinds of questions. The one question everyone asks is; "What if you kill someone?" I reply; "What if you kill someone? Insurance doesn't give you a license to kill!" I then tell them I'm on public roads lawfully, and that they are acting as a corporation for hire and that they were granted their drivers license as privileged, so that means I have more right to travel the roads than any driver.

I must say, I am impressed with the Sudbury Regional peace officers not willing to breach-the-peace to try and Induce me into a legal contract with lawful implications.

I would take a picture of my ride with the plate, but I don't have a camera just a camcorder, that I don't know how to use very well. I bought it when I started Traveling. 8-)

Thanx, Gods peace to all.

[catnap]

FROM A FREEMAN IN SUDBURY
I made my name plate to replace my license plates about 3 months ago, that read "Lawfully-Traveling-Without-Restrictions". I have been followed by peace officers, been given a dirty look by another peace officer and was followed into a store by another, yet I have never been stopped, or questioned.

Everyone likes my new name plate, and they ask me all kinds of questions. The one question everyone asks is; "What if you kill someone?" I reply; "What if you kill someone? Insurance doesn't give you a license to kill!" I then tell them I'm on public roads lawfully, and that they are acting as a corporation for hire and that they were granted their drivers license as privileged, so that means I have more right to travel the roads than any driver.

I must say, I am impressed with the Sudbury Regional peace officers not willing to breach-the-peace to try and Induce me into a legal contract with lawful implications.

I would take a picture of my ride with the plate, but I don't have a camera just a camcorder, that I don't know how to use very well. I bought it when I started Traveling. 8-)

Thanx, Gods peace to all.

Im sure one of your many supporters would be happy to take footage for you Rob :) Will look forward to seeing it.

[rob menard]

I know exactly where you are, you are back in your one bed flat after failing to convince Ray to let you live on his land and build a hobbit home.

I on the other hand am traveling in my carriage free from the clutches of the policy enforcers.

Get outside and feel the wind in your hair.

I see you are using your standard 'part truth followed by fat lie' routine aren't you?
Yes I am in my own place, with one bed. I find I can only sleep in one at a time, so do not need more.
No, I was not run out of town, and Ray wants me to return, but I am not that well suited to the cold so do not know if I will return to build there, or do it further south.

But you sure are a Master at your Troll game. (I was informed that on the RANDI forum you are singing your own praises under the name JARGON BUSTER. I wonder how idiotic those folks must be to be unable to see that you and JB are the same person. )

So where did you get the 'information' concerning what Ray wants or does not want? Is it just something you read and sought to repeat cause you hoped it would hurt me? Problem is I know it is not true, and so does not harm me. But it sure does show your mindset and motive! Feel free to go sing your own praises at the other forum under your other name: JARGON BUSTER. You are effectively making them all look like fools, and I enjoy the chuckles!

[rob menard]

Im sure one of your many supporters would be happy to take footage for you Rob :) Will look forward to seeing it.

The above is not my story, it is from someone in Sudbury. I too am hopeful they will capture footage, but it is getting old hat now and is rapidly becoming common knowledge here.

And if you can reply to my threads, I can reply to yours.

[catnap]

Fair enough Rob.

How about you showing some footage of your freeman exploits? What success stories are you able/willing to share that are backed up by evidence of their validity?

You see this is what I struggle with. You only need to show one bit of evidence of your claims. Just one and it would blow all of your detractors out of the water, publicly. Yet you dont. You and some of the others just take refuge in posturing and evasion.

Why is that? Can you explain please Rob?

[rob menard]

Fair enough Rob.

How about you showing some footage of your freeman exploits? What success stories are you able/willing to share that are backed up by evidence of their validity?

You see this is what I struggle with. You only need to show one bit of evidence of your claims. Just one and it would blow all of your detractors out of the water, publicly. Yet you dont. You and some of the others just take refuge in posturing and evasion.

Why is that? Can you explain please Rob?
Who will judge the validity of the evidence?
What makes you think I care if others believe me? Why would I want to 'prove' to anyone that which I hold as truth?

See I share and you either accept or not. If not I have no desire to fight with you.

Wanna know what it is like from my perspective? Forgive the analogy.
Imagine a buffet, and you are sitting waiting to be served, and I say, you know there is a self serve buffet up there... And you say:
PROVE IT GO GET ME FOOD! At which point it is no longer a buffet.

There needs to be a filtering mechanism so the idiots and immature people do not rush to this for selfish reasons. Who am I to deny anyone? So I tell all. But also who am I to insist anyone believe or accept? Who am I to prove anything to anyone? So I leave room for the doubters and detractors and children who insist on insulting me, and claiming I 'got run out of town', or whatever other insult/story/degradation is popular against me that week..

All my so called detractors are those who refuse to accept the truth because they have not done any due diligence themselves, and as such have not seen the truth.

Providing the proof you expect for those who are the least worthy would deny a great many the incredible joy that self achieved awareness brings.

Hope that explains why I do what I do in the way that I do it.

[catnap]

Waffle, waffle, blah blah blah.

As far as can be seen Rob what you DO is absolutely nothing :rolleyes: All you do is talk (and it cant be said that you even talk a good job).

[rob menard]

Waffle, waffle, blah blah blah.

As far as can be seen Rob what you DO is absolutely nothing :rolleyes: All you do is talk (and it cant be said that you even talk a good job).

You ask I explain, and I do so honestly and openly, and you respond dismissively and egoistically with 'blah blah blah'.
So it is clear even trying to discuss with you is a waste of time. Even trying to share a perspective with you is a waste of time, as you know it all already, apparently.

Be well, I am sincerely glad I am not you.

[ipso facto]

Who will judge the validity of the evidence?
What makes you think I care if others believe me?So easy to say when you can't prove something - what do I care?? :rolleyes:

Why would I want to 'prove' to anyone that which I hold as truth?Because you spout this crap all over the internet and sell information for $250 a pop to poor unsuspecting souls. If it's your truth, fine get on with it, but don't become oh so righteous when you're ripping people off. Because when they try your hair brain schemes and fail, you have the get out clause of "do your own due diligence".

See I share and you either accept or not. If not I have no desire to fight with you.So why keep responding to those who do disagree with you? Because your ego won't let you just get on with it quietly, therefore shows that your reasons for 'sharing' are not altruistic.

Wanna know what it is like from my perspective? Forgive the analogy.
Imagine a buffet, and you are sitting waiting to be served, and I say, you know there is a self serve buffet up there... And you say:
PROVE IT GO GET ME FOOD! At which point it is no longer a buffet. What a crock of shite. If the buffet isn't visible, then if you were wishing to help the person, you would either get the food for them or show them - PROVE the buffet was there - with proof the person can then decide whether they are going to be lazy and get someone else to wait on them or get up and follow them to the buffet - they would have had proof either way to make a decision on whether or not what you told them was the truth! If you are trying to use this analogy to show that what you say/do is the truth, it's a stupid analogy. Just because you say what you do is the truth (the buffet), you haven't provided evidence one way or another (when asked to get me some food). If the buffet is no longer a buffet because of one incident where someone has asked for proof - then you can't be telling the truth because several people have asked for proof of where the buffet is and you haven't yet been able to show them!!

There needs to be a filtering mechanism so the idiots and immature people do not rush to this for selfish reasons. Who am I to deny anyone? So I tell all. But also who am I to insist anyone believe or accept? Who am I to prove anything to anyone?Because you have made public statements saying that what you do works without PROOF. There will be stupid and immature people rushing into this for selfish reasons - some people are like that unfortunately doesn't mean to say they are bad people. Some idiot has put an idea into their head and they run with it - the idiot putting the ideas out there, should take more responsibility and keep it to themselves AND spread the word to close friends who can SEE that it works, then they will tell more people and so on. But you have put this crap out on the internet with little regard for people's intelligence, self control etc. You are responsible for informing those 'idiots' that they can do the things you state - there are a lot of sheep out there you know. If you provided evidence at every juncture, detractors wouldn't have a problem with it but you don't and get 'pissy' when asked for evidence. Now you are hounding poor Steven to provide evidence after he has followed your every word. Everyone else who says they've done something you pat on the back but you believe he is a liar and a fraud - mmmmm..... pot kettle black :rolleyes:

So I leave room for the doubters and detractors and children who insist on insulting me, and claiming I 'got run out of town', or whatever other insult/story/degradation is popular against me that week..What are you on???? YOU leave the room for doubters and detractors - just who may I ask, put you in charge. There will always be detractors and doubters when someone claims they have done something and can't prove that they have. You see even what you type here shows your arrogance and feelings of self importance - referring to children again. You did get run out of town, Lizardlover had the information. You put up a thread of how wonderful Freeman Valley was going to be, spun out a load of lies, proved it by a video which actually proved nothing other than a man taking a little girl off into the woods and you telling everyone where YOUR roof was going to be. Then at the end you say that Ray didn't just want anybody moving there and you had permission to build your hobbit hole and a recording studio THEN you ask for people to come and help. Next thing, Ray don't want you there. Your excuse is that you don't do cold too well - surely you knew how cold it was going to be before the 'plan' was made? Even people in the UK told you that it was going to be cold!!! What do you actually take us for?

All my so called detractors are those who refuse to accept the truth because they have not done any due diligence themselves, and as such have not seen the truth.No you are wrong, it all depends on what truth you are seeking. I have researched this Freeman shite quite extensively now and NOT ONE PERSON CAN BACK UP THEIR CLAIMS!!!! Truth can be what you want it to be - me, I think in real time not fairy land time, if someone tells me to jump off a cliff, I would like to see evidence that the first person who did it came to no harm. That might not be sufficient evidence, so I would look for more people who had done the same thing and came to no harm. It is always sensible to check new things out thoroughly. If there is no evidence, then common sense and logic then has to come into play, you ask yourself the questions - will I break bones, will the rocks kill me, do I want to take the risk etc etc. Once you have satisfied your own thoughts, you will make a decision. I wouldn't trust the person who told me just because they said I would be OK but there are people who will.

Providing the proof you expect for those who are the least worthy would deny a great many the incredible joy that self achieved awareness brings.Now you are changing your 'theory' to self awareness????? When did this come into play? Self awareness is a whole different ball game. You spout off about how to get out of statutes that you consider impinge on your freedom nothing about self awareness!! Oh Lennie don't you realise how stupid you make yourself look? I wish I had the time to go through all these threads and put them together with all the videos you've made and the other crap you've put out there and show you it is nothing to do with SELF AWARENESS. You can't accept the fact that NO ONE believes you and you desperately try to find another way round it - self awareness my arse.

Why do you keep putting yourself up for such ridicule. BritNick was saying how Steven and others were unstable - you are a great case for analysis.

[ipso facto]

You ask I explain, and I do so honestly and openlyBut can't back up one piece of it.

and you respond dismissively and egoistically with 'blah blah blah'.Same ol' crock of shite that's why. Superiority complex comes to mind. I don't know why you waste your time trying to explain, you are a has been now. Steven has taken on your mantle and is doing a better job. You've been usurped :)

So it is clear even trying to discuss with you is a waste of time. Even trying to share a perspective with you is a waste of time, as you know it all already, apparently. How can you discuss any issue when the person you are posing the question to speaks in a condescending manner and when the other person doesn't take it, you get all superior, insulting and pissy? None of us 'non-believers' think we know it all, that is obvious OR WE WOULDN'T ASK QUESTIONS!!!! Duh. You on the other hand cannot be told or even review your thinking - we are wrong, you are right. Discussion takes on board two (or more) parties views - you just want to preach.

Be well, I am sincerely glad I am not you.God forbid - two Menards on the earth, give me strength.

[rob menard]

So easy to say when you can't prove something - what do I care?? :rolleyes:

Because you spout this crap all over the internet and sell information for $250 a pop to poor unsuspecting souls. If it's your truth, fine get on with it, but don't become oh so righteous when you're ripping people off. Because when they try your hair brain schemes and fail, you have the get out clause of "do your own due diligence".

So why keep responding to those who do disagree with you? Because your ego won't let you just get on with it quietly, therefore shows that your reasons for 'sharing' are not altruistic.

What a crock of shite. If the buffet isn't visible, then if you were wishing to help the person, you would either get the food for them or show them - PROVE the buffet was there - with proof the person can then decide whether they are going to be lazy and get someone else to wait on them or get up and follow them to the buffet - they would have had proof either way to make a decision on whether or not what you told them was the truth! If you are trying to use this analogy to show that what you say/do is the truth, it's a stupid analogy. Just because you say what you do is the truth (the buffet), you haven't provided evidence one way or another (when asked to get me some food). If the buffet is no longer a buffet because of one incident where someone has asked for proof - then you can't be telling the truth because several people have asked for proof of where the buffet is and you haven't yet been able to show them!!

Because you have made public statements saying that what you do works without PROOF. There will be stupid and immature people rushing into this for selfish reasons - some people are like that unfortunately doesn't mean to say they are bad people. Some idiot has put an idea into their head and they run with it - the idiot putting the ideas out there, should take more responsibility and keep it to themselves AND spread the word to close friends who can SEE that it works, then they will tell more people and so on. But you have put this crap out on the internet with little regard for people's intelligence, self control etc. You are responsible for informing those 'idiots' that they can do the things you state - there are a lot of sheep out there you know. If you provided evidence at every juncture, detractors wouldn't have a problem with it but you don't and get 'pissy' when asked for evidence. Now you are hounding poor Steven to provide evidence after he has followed your every word. Everyone else who says they've done something you pat on the back but you believe he is a liar and a fraud - mmmmm..... pot kettle black :rolleyes:

What are you on???? YOU leave the room for doubters and detractors - just who may I ask, put you in charge. There will always be detractors and doubters when someone claims they have done something and can't prove that they have. You see even what you type here shows your arrogance and feelings of self importance - referring to children again. You did get run out of town, Lizardlover had the information. You put up a thread of how wonderful Freeman Valley was going to be, spun out a load of lies, proved it by a video which actually proved nothing other than a man taking a little girl off into the woods and you telling everyone where YOUR roof was going to be. Then at the end you say that Ray didn't just want anybody moving there and you had permission to build your hobbit hole and a recording studio THEN you ask for people to come and help. Next thing, Ray don't want you there. Your excuse is that you don't do cold too well - surely you knew how cold it was going to be before the 'plan' was made? Even people in the UK told you that it was going to be cold!!! What do you actually take us for?

No you are wrong, it all depends on what truth you are seeking. I have researched this Freeman shite quite extensively now and NOT ONE PERSON CAN BACK UP THEIR CLAIMS!!!! Truth can be what you want it to be - me, I think in real time not fairy land time, if someone tells me to jump off a cliff, I would like to see evidence that the first person who did it came to no harm. That might not be sufficient evidence, so I would look for more people who had done the same thing and came to no harm. It is always sensible to check new things out thoroughly. If there is no evidence, then common sense and logic then has to come into play, you ask yourself the questions - will I break bones, will the rocks kill me, do I want to take the risk etc etc. Once you have satisfied your own thoughts, you will make a decision. I wouldn't trust the person who told me just because they said I would be OK but there are people who will.

Now you are changing your 'theory' to self awareness????? When did this come into play? Self awareness is a whole different ball game. You spout off about how to get out of statutes that you consider impinge on your freedom nothing about self awareness!! Oh Lennie don't you realise how stupid you make yourself look? I wish I had the time to go through all these threads and put them together with all the videos you've made and the other crap you've put out there and show you it is nothing to do with SELF AWARENESS. You can't accept the fact that NO ONE believes you and you desperately try to find another way round it - self awareness my arse.

Why do you keep putting yourself up for such ridicule. BritNick was saying how Steven and others were unstable - you are a great case for analysis.

:eek:
HOLY CARP! What are you on? I sense severe acute PMS from you. I must have really really pushed your buttons with that one eh?

I think you need a pause button, and not the 'meno' type!:D

Have not even read your entire reply yet but the acrimony is dripping from the first paragraphs. I will print it up and read it for a good laugh when I go for breaky with friends later. I am sure it will be a hoot! :D

Seriously where do you find the time and why oh why do you care so much about what I do or say? :rolleyes:

[catnap]

God forbid - two Menards on the earth, give me strength.

I'll second that :D

[catnap]

:eek:
HOLY CARP! What are you on? I sense severe acute PMS from you. I must have really really pushed your buttons with that one eh?

I think you need a pause button, and not the 'meno' type!:D

Have not even read your entire reply yet but the acrimony is dripping from the first paragraphs. I will print it up and read it for a good laugh when I go for breaky with friends later. I am sure it will be a hoot! :D

Seriously where do you find the time and why oh why do you care so much about what I do or say? :rolleyes:

Is that the best you can do Rob? Pathetic. So we can now add sexist, chauvinist to you list of dubious titles.

I know its an alien concept to the likes of you but some of us care about the poor sods getting themselves in to serious trouble by using your methods. We dont care about you at all I can assure you.

[catnap]

:eek:
HOLY CARP!

Is that holy Carp part of your hypothetical buffet by the way? :confused: :cool:

[rob menard]

Is that the best you can do Rob? Pathetic. So we can now add sexist, chauvinist to you list of dubious titles.

I know its an alien concept to the likes of you but some of us care about the poor sods getting themselves in to serious trouble by using your methods. We dont care about you at all I can assure you.

You apparently feel you can add whatever you want to what you call me without regard for reality so why stop now?

I do care about the people whom you call sods and look down upon, and I care about you. I see how we are all connected, and it is not possible to not care about anyone without having a negative effect upon yourself. That is however far different from not caring what someone thinks. Do you need help distinguishing between those two concepts? I can help. :D

[ipso facto]

I do care about the people whom you call sods and look down upon, and I care about you. I see how we are all connected, and it is not possible to not care about anyone without having a negative effect upon yourself. That is however far different from not caring what someone thinks. Do you need help distinguishing between those two concepts? I can help. :DI keep responding Lennie because it serves the purpose of showing you up for who you are. You've done sufficient damage to your reputation because you truly cannot see how you come across because of your arrogance. It's not a case of looking down on people, it's caring for others especially the young. Poor sods can be shot dead - it doesn't mean to say we look down on them, it's a figure of speech.

We are not all connected - only if you believe in the other work of fiction, the Bible. If we were all connected it would be incest .... mmmm.... I can see why you might go with that theory. I'm only connected to my blood line - you certainly aren't in my blood line. You don't care about Catnap or else you would not have responded the way you did about the cancer - totally flippant, total disregard to feelings. How do you know oh wise one that it is not possible to care about someone without a negative affect on oneself? That might be OK for you, but you can't speak for what affects me.

You don't care for your fellow man because if you did, you wouldn't be trying to spread this garbage all over the internet and when it goes wrong for someone, you absolve all responsibility - nice way of caring :)

Patronising as well as stupid. However, if you weren't so arrogant, you wouldn't even deign either of us with any answers but you just can't help yourself can you sweetie :D

[ipso facto]

:eek:
HOLY CARP! What are you on? I sense severe acute PMS from you. I must have really really pushed your buttons with that one eh?

I think you need a pause button, and not the 'meno' type!:DBack to that old chestnut :rolleyes:

Have not even read your entire reply yet but the acrimony is dripping from the first paragraphs. I will print it up and read it for a good laugh when I go for breaky with friends later. I am sure it will be a hoot! :DI think acrimony is a little strong, straight talking I call it. To the point without the waffle. You have friends???? It's OK, yes of course I believe you've got friends - you can't prove it though (poor lamb). Are they all dole dope dossers too? Obviously, they aren't working if they have time to have brekkie with you - but we know that isn't true don't we :D

Seriously where do you find the time and why oh why do you care so much about what I do or say? :rolleyes:Well you see Lennie, I am free - I have all the time in the world to do what I like, when I like without ponceing off the state. I have helped my fellow man along the way in various ways, I still do. So, today I chose to put my feet up with a coffee and some lovely chocolate biscuits and see what crap is going on, on here. What's your excuse for having the time to be on here then?

Don't flatter yourself Lennie, you are a nobody to me - just a name on a screen. You just happen to be saying something that I disagree with, therefore I respond and because you always have to respond (simply because you can't help yourself) we get into this twoing and froing. Mad isn't it :D The question could be asked ... why do you bother responding to anyone? Why do you bother coming here at all? You bring nothing new.

Btw is the state paying for your breakfast or are you bumming it off one of your friends? Have a nice one, don't get indigestion :D

EDITI've just actually realised what you said - you are going to PRINT my response off????? Am I really that important in your life that you've to print off what I say to show your 'friends'. Haven't you got better things to talk about or do you have consolidate your importance with your friends? Oh how sad is that. See you aren't free, you just pretend - each day you are looking for another way to be free. Holy moly, you are stuck on the third level of freedom - I'm streets ahead. ROFLMAO.

[steven1]

Rob wrote
FROM A FREEMAN IN SUDBURY
I made my name plate to replace my license plates about 3 months ago, that read "Lawfully-Traveling-Without-Restrictions". I have been followed by peace officers, been given a dirty look by another peace officer and was followed into a store by another, yet I have never been stopped, or questioned.

Everyone likes my new name plate, and they ask me all kinds of questions. The one question everyone asks is; "What if you kill someone?" I reply; "What if you kill someone? Insurance doesn't give you a license to kill!" I then tell them I'm on public roads lawfully, and that they are acting as a corporation for hire and that they were granted their drivers license as privileged, so that means I have more right to travel the roads than any driver.

I must say, I am impressed with the Sudbury Regional peace officers not willing to breach-the-peace to try and Induce me into a legal contract with lawful implications.

I would take a picture of my ride with the plate, but I don't have a camera just a camcorder, that I don't know how to use very well. I bought it when I started Traveling. 8-)

Thanx, Gods peace to all.

Where did this come from Rob, is it Sudbury England or Canada?

If it is indeed Canada then you now know for sure it works where you are, so nothing stopping you getting a car now.
I already know it works in the UK so its all good.

Great post Rob
PS will you be getting a car now?

[girlgye]

I see you are using your standard 'part truth followed by fat lie' routine aren't you?
Yes I am in my own place, with one bed. I find I can only sleep in one at a time, so do not need more.
No, I was not run out of town, and Ray wants me to return, but I am not that well suited to the cold so do not know if I will return to build there, or do it further south.

But you sure are a Master at your Troll game. (I was informed that on the RANDI forum you are singing your own praises under the name JARGON BUSTER. I wonder how idiotic those folks must be to be unable to see that you and JB are the same person. )

So where did you get the 'information' concerning what Ray wants or does not want? Is it just something you read and sought to repeat cause you hoped it would hurt me? Problem is I know it is not true, and so does not harm me. But it sure does show your mindset and motive! Feel free to go sing your own praises at the other forum under your other name: JARGON BUSTER. You are effectively making them all look like fools, and I enjoy the chuckles!


Merlincove/or any other Mod. I've come to this forum to read success stories. It's kinda lost all meaning around the 13 page mark, after Bones testimony it is all baloney.
As ever do remove mine also :D
What is Jeff doing back here?

[hadabusa]

yeah, my licence plate



http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_YKSCoib7I4M/SjtwAhCn2sI/AAAAAAAAAHA/RSZOB7yoHcs/s400/acab.jpg

;););)

:D:D

[girlgye]

could it be; something other than epiphany?


Nelly.

:D :D lmao

[girlgye]

well I guess you could say that I have been out of the system and off the grid for the last 4+ years.

It requires a bit of adjustment, for me the first year I had lot a things to get use to. Everyone is different, for me it was all the free time, I use it mostly to get rest and think.

After the first year I was a changed person, I did not care much about things that we "so important" before.

Prepare to have to make changes in your life and for the most part the change is for the good.

Peace

Dan

Yes a real story in a sea of utter crap with the usual suspects desperately trying to derail it but believe me their crap is going to be taken right off any day now. Thanks for this. Perhaps you can share how you are doing.


If they want to pontificate to the gullible who er might wake up to the fact that daily they are being routinely taken 'up the arris', poisoned by their own water which they have to pay on average 8 quid a week for - and the rest; then write your own thread. This is for FMOL success stories.

[girlgye]

life is too short, why waste it hating?

:cool:

As far as i'm aware we're on an open forum, not living in Communist China :D



Wonder where dirty pool went off to?

an excellent first post there buddy, would love to hear more from ya :D

Yes concur. I guess he can't be arsed to read the dirge any more than anyone else either.

[catnap]

Yes concur. I guess he can't be arsed to read the dirge any more than anyone else either.

Look who has slithered out from under their rock - had hoped we had seen the back of you.

Nice to see you have lots of positive stuff to add to the forum :rolleyes:

So whats your latest 'success' story girlgye?

[rob menard]

look who has slithered out from under their rock - had hoped we had seen the back of you.

nice to see you have lots of positive stuff to add to the forum :rolleyes:

So whats your latest 'success' story girlgye?

you just made coffee come out my nose! Irony overload!

[catnap]

you just made coffee come out my nose! Irony overload!

Be careful not to choke Rob.................:)

[ipso facto]

If they want to pontificate to the gullible who er might wake up to the fact that daily they are being routinely taken 'up the arris', poisoned by their own water which they have to pay on average 8 quid a week for - and the rest; then write your own thread. This is for FMOL success stories.So people who aren't believers of this hippy wow man shite are gullible???? Are you sure about that? So in your world, you all have to agree??? Oh my how boring.

[rob menard]

REPORT FROM EMAIL

Hey Rob,

How's it going, bud? I want you to know that, largely because of you and the light you've shared, I have won my mortgage case on default. Your guidance on "you have the right to say 'I don't understand this, this & that'," acquiescence, legalese, general private administrative processes, basic contract elements, the difference between law and statutes, how to claim rights, how to always be asking questions instead of making statements, basic maxims of law and the like have enabled me to follow a private administrative process and construct a pleading in district court so solid that I have won my case on default. The alleged lender, the alleged servicer, the alleged trustees, all other alleged parties of interest and representing attorneys have all tucked tail & run, handing me my property on default. Despite my constant contact with the attorneys after filing my suit, they didn't file an answer, didn't show up for any hearings and didn't file a shred of anything into the case. After they defaulted I contacted the lead attorney to inquire as to whether or not he was aware that his firm was now in default. His comment to me was, "You know, somehow I think you already knew we'd not be able to respond to your pleading." As a result, the debt must be released with no option to re-pursue in the future, the note/title/all related instruments irrevocably signed over to me and marked as "SATISFIED IN FULL," all negative credit marks must be removed and marked as "SATISFIED IN FULL," and all payments I ever made must be returned to me at the same interest rate I was paying. You should also know that the attorney firm I was facing is one of the largest debt collection firms in the nation with over 200 attorneys - and I handed them their asses with help mostly from you! You should also know that from day-one the court was already on the bank's side without hearing anything nor seeing any evidence from the defendant, and so I found my self fighting not only the bank, but the court as well (has to file for a judge's recusal along the way and stand my ground with a subsequent judge, which I could never have done without having been woken up as to how to claim my rights). The things I've learned from you are no longer theory - I've seen them work, and man did they!!!

Keep up the good fight and hurry the hell up with that book! I want copy #1!!! :-)

Peace

[theabominablephenomenon]

REPORT FROM EMAIL

Hey Rob,

How's it going, bud? I want you to know that, largely because of you and the light you've shared, I have won my mortgage case on default. Your guidance on "you have the right to say 'I don't understand this, this & that'," acquiescence, legalese, general private administrative processes, basic contract elements, the difference between law and statutes, how to claim rights, how to always be asking questions instead of making statements, basic maxims of law and the like have enabled me to follow a private administrative process and construct a pleading in district court so solid that I have won my case on default. The alleged lender, the alleged servicer, the alleged trustees, all other alleged parties of interest and representing attorneys have all tucked tail & run, handing me my property on default. Despite my constant contact with the attorneys after filing my suit, they didn't file an answer, didn't show up for any hearings and didn't file a shred of anything into the case. After they defaulted I contacted the lead attorney to inquire as to whether or not he was aware that his firm was now in default. His comment to me was, "You know, somehow I think you already knew we'd not be able to respond to your pleading." As a result, the debt must be released with no option to re-pursue in the future, the note/title/all related instruments irrevocably signed over to me and marked as "SATISFIED IN FULL," all negative credit marks must be removed and marked as "SATISFIED IN FULL," and all payments I ever made must be returned to me at the same interest rate I was paying. You should also know that the attorney firm I was facing is one of the largest debt collection firms in the nation with over 200 attorneys - and I handed them their asses with help mostly from you! You should also know that from day-one the court was already on the bank's side without hearing anything nor seeing any evidence from the defendant, and so I found my self fighting not only the bank, but the court as well (has to file for a judge's recusal along the way and stand my ground with a subsequent judge, which I could never have done without having been woken up as to how to claim my rights). The things I've learned from you are no longer theory - I've seen them work, and man did they!!!

Keep up the good fight and hurry the hell up with that book! I want copy #1!!! :-)

Peace
:)
That's brilliant Rob.
What country was this in?
Are you writing a book on this mortgage business or just FMOTL in general?

[rob menard]

:)
That's brilliant Rob.
What country was this in?
Are you writing a book on this mortgage business or just FMOTL in general?

I believe the states cause he mentions district court.
The book is a series of letters to various people in power, along with their responses to the questions I ask. Some aspects are financial in nature, but are focused more on the student loans.

[hadabusa]

REPORT FROM EMAIL

Hey Rob,

How's it going, bud? I want you to know that, largely because of you and the light you've shared, I have won my mortgage case on default. Your guidance on "you have the right to say 'I don't understand this, this & that'," acquiescence, legalese, general private administrative processes, basic contract elements, the difference between law and statutes, how to claim rights, how to always be asking questions instead of making statements, basic maxims of law and the like have enabled me to follow a private administrative process and construct a pleading in district court so solid that I have won my case on default. The alleged lender, the alleged servicer, the alleged trustees, all other alleged parties of interest and representing attorneys have all tucked tail & run, handing me my property on default. Despite my constant contact with the attorneys after filing my suit, they didn't file an answer, didn't show up for any hearings and didn't file a shred of anything into the case. After they defaulted I contacted the lead attorney to inquire as to whether or not he was aware that his firm was now in default. His comment to me was, "You know, somehow I think you already knew we'd not be able to respond to your pleading." As a result, the debt must be released with no option to re-pursue in the future, the note/title/all related instruments irrevocably signed over to me and marked as "SATISFIED IN FULL," all negative credit marks must be removed and marked as "SATISFIED IN FULL," and all payments I ever made must be returned to me at the same interest rate I was paying. You should also know that the attorney firm I was facing is one of the largest debt collection firms in the nation with over 200 attorneys - and I handed them their asses with help mostly from you! You should also know that from day-one the court was already on the bank's side without hearing anything nor seeing any evidence from the defendant, and so I found my self fighting not only the bank, but the court as well (has to file for a judge's recusal along the way and stand my ground with a subsequent judge, which I could never have done without having been woken up as to how to claim my rights). The things I've learned from you are no longer theory - I've seen them work, and man did they!!!

Keep up the good fight and hurry the hell up with that book! I want copy #1!!! :-)

Peace
speaking of books.........how about documentation?

[catnap]

REPORT FROM EMAIL

Hey Rob,

How's it going, bud? I want you to know that, largely because of you and the light you've shared, I have won my mortgage case on default. Your guidance on "you have the right to say 'I don't understand this, this & that'," acquiescence, legalese, general private administrative processes, basic contract elements, the difference between law and statutes, how to claim rights, how to always be asking questions instead of making statements, basic maxims of law and the like have enabled me to follow a private administrative process and construct a pleading in district court so solid that I have won my case on default. The alleged lender, the alleged servicer, the alleged trustees, all other alleged parties of interest and representing attorneys have all tucked tail & run, handing me my property on default. Despite my constant contact with the attorneys after filing my suit, they didn't file an answer, didn't show up for any hearings and didn't file a shred of anything into the case. After they defaulted I contacted the lead attorney to inquire as to whether or not he was aware that his firm was now in default. His comment to me was, "You know, somehow I think you already knew we'd not be able to respond to your pleading." As a result, the debt must be released with no option to re-pursue in the future, the note/title/all related instruments irrevocably signed over to me and marked as "SATISFIED IN FULL," all negative credit marks must be removed and marked as "SATISFIED IN FULL," and all payments I ever made must be returned to me at the same interest rate I was paying. You should also know that the attorney firm I was facing is one of the largest debt collection firms in the nation with over 200 attorneys - and I handed them their asses with help mostly from you! You should also know that from day-one the court was already on the bank's side without hearing anything nor seeing any evidence from the defendant, and so I found my self fighting not only the bank, but the court as well (has to file for a judge's recusal along the way and stand my ground with a subsequent judge, which I could never have done without having been woken up as to how to claim my rights). The things I've learned from you are no longer theory - I've seen them work, and man did they!!!

Keep up the good fight and hurry the hell up with that book! I want copy #1!!! :-)

Peace

More stories Rob? I wonder if you have some kind of Pied Piper complex?

[catnap]

speaking of books.........how about documentation?

You'd be lucky :rolleyes:

[ipso facto]

Report from an email

I’m sending this email to let you know that I have, for the last couple of years been trying out the freeman way. I was introduced to this movement by watching some YouTube vids and researching people like Rob Menard, Ray St Clair et al. As you have asked for people who have managed to gain sovereignty to come forward for your research project, I thought I’d tell you what has happened to me.

I started with not paying tax or insuring my car and de-registering it as suggested by the Freemen on YouTube. I followed the instructions that I found on the internet but this didn’t work and after a struggle with the police understanding where I was coming from, my car was taken away and crushed. I also had to go to court for speeding fines that I would not pay because no one has the right to tell me what a safe speed is, I have the right to travel in my automobile without hinderance. I had to pay £1500 OR face a two month prison sentence. The magistrates did not like my attitude especially when I tried to dismiss the hearing. I’m also in a law suit with another traveller, who’s car I hit at 70mph in a 40mph speed zone, he is suing me for maiming his young daughter who was injured in the accident, the damages I’m told, could run into millions.

At this present moment in time, the bailiffs have taken possession of my worldly goods because I have refused to pay my Council Tax for almost 2 years. This finally caught up with me and this is what is happening. Today, I received a letter from my mortgage lender who has issued notice that I will be re-possessed if I do pay the arrears by the end of the month.

My wife had a baby 8 months ago and I would not allow her to register the baby. The health visitor has been visiting, I think more often that she would have done. I refused to let the baby have the vaccinations and she has developed polio, it’s been touch and go. The health visitor seems concerned that I am a bit of a whacko I think.

Anyway, it’s not been a very good year for me – who knows where I will end up. My wife has left me and I have lost everything – including my job because I withdrew my NI number as well. Does the Freeman theory work – what do you think?

Love and peace

[rob menard]

Wow. The only difference between the email I posted and the one you did, is I actually received what I posted, and you had to make yours up!

How does it feel to have to so obviously lie in order to try to make a point?

Do you not see how monumental of a fail it actually is? How obviously F.O.S. you are, and how desperate you seem?

People reading see you have to lie to even try to counter, and anyone with intelligence will wonder WHY you feel a need to post such drivel in a thread which has the title it does.

Will you subject every success story posted to such a tactic? How is that not trolling and being purposely disruptive?

And why do you feel the need to do it?

[catnap]

Wow. The only difference between the email I posted and the one you did, is I actually received what I posted, and you had to make yours up!

How does it feel to have to so obviously lie in order to try to make a point?

Do you not see how monumental of a fail it actually is? How obviously F.O.S. you are, and how desperate you seem?

People reading see you have to lie to even try to counter, and anyone with intelligence will wonder WHY you feel a need to post such drivel in a thread which has the title it does.

Will you subject every success story posted to such a tactic? How is that not trolling and being purposely disruptive?

And why do you feel the need to do it?

Oh and your post was totally real and true was it Rob? I think not. You are the one who is looking desperate here.

There are MANY real accounts of people who have got in to serious trouble by following your dubious example. And yet there is a distinct lack of proven freeman success stories..........

Who is the liar eh Rob?

[rob menard]

Oh and your post was totally real and true was it Rob? I think not. You are the one who is looking desperate here.

There are MANY real accounts of people who have got in to serious trouble by following your dubious example. And yet there is a distinct lack of proven freeman success stories..........

Who is the liar eh Rob?

I can give the email of the guy who wrote what I posted. I did not make mine up. Ipso CANNOT say the same.

Boy you seem desperate. Even to the point of willing to obviously lie... :D

[rob menard]

Rob: Recently I got pulled over and denied the police consent to search me. They broke my window and pulled me out of my car at gun point, only to find crumbs enough to make a joint with. They brought me down to the station, and I'm 100% sure their supervisor ripped them a new asshole. They couldn't get me out of jail fast enough. I owe it all to you, and your words of wisdom. Exercise your right to say nothing. do you understand? No. Do you want a lawyer? No response. :D

Andrew-Michael Beauchamp

[catnap]

I can give the email of the guy who wrote what I posted.

Then please do :) Or even better why dont you invite him on here to talk about his experience then everyone can share :)

[rob menard]

I sent him to the RANDI forum. You will likely see him there, JB.

[catnap]

You clearly said you would post the email Rob - are you now declining?

By the way I dont frequent the Randi forum - some of them over there are almost as bad as some of you freemen here!

[rob menard]

You clearly said you would post the email Rob - are you now declining?

By the way I dont frequent the Randi forum - some of them over there are almost as bad as some of you freemen here!

Dude you need to increase your dismal word comprehension skills.

I can give

Saying I can do something and saying I will or would do something are two very different things.

See catnap, I clearly said 'I can' and I clearly did not say 'I would', like you are once again incorrectly claiming. YOu are wrong, again.

You should check out the RANDI forum. It is to FORUMS what Chuck-E-Cheese is to fine dining. Your desire to insult, and refusal to discuss coupled with your borderline insane logic and reasoning skills guarantees you a welcome there!
Where d

[catnap]

Oh I see - so you could but you wont.

More like you cant. As ever.

You used to make me angry but now you just make me laugh :)

[rob menard]

Jeez, how do you make it through life?
Can you read what I wrote or not? If so, where did I say 'I won't'?
Never said I won't either.
Again, I said 'I Can'.


But you refuse to distinguish eh?
Can to you apparently now means 'won't'. whereas a few minutes ago it meant 'will' . Why can it simply not mean what it means? Can means can. Won't means won't. Will means will.

How simple does it have to be until you do not try to claim can means will or won't?

[rob menard]

Oh I see - so you could but you wont.

More like you cant. As ever.

You used to make me angry but now you just make me laugh :)

Either way, you grant me control over your emotions.
You should beware of giving anyone such power over yourself.

For me, you make me wonder. You engage my curiosity centre. What would YOUR life be without Velcro, I often wonder. Would you be barefoot?

:D

Just making you laugh...

Hey you know what's really cool too? People here are obviously intelligent enough to know when they read the truth, such as I post, and when they read a lie, such as the claims made by a certain member, who is now on warning apparently.

[catnap]

Just making you laugh...



Its ok Rob - you can do that without trying :)