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real6
11-12-2009, 04:34 PM
http://rawstory.com/2009/12/google-anti-privacy-remarks/

Switch from Google to Bing, browser-maker urges

"The innocent have nothing to fear."

That seems to be more or less the position of Google CEO Eric Schmidt when it comes to online privacy, and Schmidt's comments to that effect have set off a firestorm of controversy over the web company's commitment to its users' privacy.

In an interview broadcast late last week, CNBC's Maria Bartiromo asked Schmidt if people could trust the world's leading search engine company with their private information.

"I think judgment matters," Schmidt responded. "If you have something that you don’t want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn’t be doing it in the first place. If you really need that kind of privacy, the reality is that search engines, including Google, do retain this information for some time and it’s important, for example, that we are all subject in the United States to the Patriot Act. It is possible that all that information could be made available to the authorities."
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That comment has raised criticism from privacy advocates and even some competing firms in the online world.

Using Schmidt's comments as the background to his announcement, an executive at Mozilla, the company that makes the Firefox browser, on Thursday suggested Firefox users to switch to Bing, Microsoft's competing search engine, according to a report at ComputerWorld.

Citing a clip from a CNBC broadcast last Friday, during which Google chief executive Eric Schmidt discussed online privacy, Asa Dotzler, Mozilla's director of community development, provided a link to the Firefox extension that adds Bing to Firefox's search engine list. "Here's how you can easily switch Firefox's search from Google to Bing," said Dotzler in an entry on his personal blog today. The link he included leads to the Bing search add-on.

"That was Eric Schmidt, the CEO of Google, telling you exactly what he thinks about your privacy," said Dotzler on his blog. "There is no ambiguity, no 'out of context' here." Dotzler added that he considers Bing's privacy policy better than Google's.

Mozilla's move is all the more remarkable given the fact the company has a deal with Google to set Google's search engine as the default in Firefox browsers.

And while Google's competitors scramble to take advantage of Schmidt's dismissal of privacy concerns, political bloggers and privacy advocates have been accusing Schmidt of betraying the company's previous support of privacy rights.

Marcy Wheeler at the FireDogLake blog points out that, just three years ago, Google fought the US government over the Justice Department's demand that Google hand over data on millions of users in an online pornography investigation.

Ryan Tate at Gawker called Schmidt out for hypocrisy, noting that Google was reported to have blacklisted tech news site CNET after it published some of Schmidt's personal information online.

"The philosophy that secrets are useful mainly to indecent people is awfully convenient for Schmidt as the CEO of a company whose value proposition revolves around info-hoarding," Tate wrote.

Google's data mining is "like someone hiring a private investigator to follow you," writes Sebastian Anthony at DownloadSquad. "Even if you don't do anything illegal while under their surveillance, does that make it OK? Google is always pretty evasive when it comes to the issue of privacy, and Eric Schmidt's stunning statement certainly won't help allay our growing concerns."

The following video was broadcast on CNBC, December 3, 2009, and uploaded to the Web by TheyToldYou.com.



http://www.theytoldyou.com/2220/Google-chief-Only-miscreants-worry-about-net-privacy/

dreamweaver
11-12-2009, 04:37 PM
So much for "do no evil".

Scroogle is considered pretty safe by most free thinkers: http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm

rayne
11-12-2009, 05:02 PM
Use www.startpage.com

dantesinferno
11-12-2009, 05:02 PM
I think they know everything we are doing online anyway, no matter what search engine you use, in today's electronic world the only way for true privacy is to go low tech.

Anders Lindman
11-12-2009, 05:12 PM
Strange that Eric Schmidt said: "If you have something that you don’t want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn’t be doing it in the first place." He usually is more careful than that about what he says in public. On the other hand many competitors to Google probably just waited for a statement like that and then they come in like sharks from all directions in full attack formation.

I haven't compared the privacy policies for Google and Bing but my guess is that they are very similar. To really compete with Google, Bing has to offer at least as good search results.

real6
11-12-2009, 05:15 PM
So much for "do no evil".

Scroogle is considered pretty safe by most free thinkers: http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm

Funny i do use it once in a blue

http://www.scroogle.org/

elrafaargentino
11-12-2009, 05:28 PM
Google has your emails, your search terms, your webmaster data, your blogspot, gmail, youtube (and more) accounts, everything.

icarus
11-12-2009, 06:03 PM
don't be scared, just say what you think

fuck 'em, it's not their world

the internet is one giant data mining operation anyway, no such thing as anonymity unless you're really clued up, and even then they've got the very best IT people working on the spying side.

if you've ever posted anything remotely anti establishment, NWO or israel, you're in this fight whether you know it or not. they'll go back years should they win and hold you to what you've said

zmanforever
11-12-2009, 06:28 PM
I dont see why you guys/gals fear Google as much as you should fear what your ISP (Internet Service Provider) is saving and sending/selling out to others.

lextorite
11-12-2009, 06:33 PM
Use www.startpage.com

that's what I use too.

trix
11-12-2009, 09:36 PM
I dont see why you guys/gals fear Google as much as you should fear what your ISP (Internet Service Provider) is saving and sending/selling out to others.

Those fuckers.

I google crazy shit, hope they enjoy.

yozhik
11-12-2009, 09:50 PM
Bing is Microsoft.
You'd honestly trust those fuckers with your private data?

Google and Bing can both kiss my ass ...
Time to change search engines ...

danster82
11-12-2009, 09:58 PM
I like Google, they have been pretty decent considering their size unlike Microsoft. They support opensource and dont try to destroy competition like other large corporations always attempt to do.

With regards to privacy well their business is information, collection and indexing it always has been they are not the only company if you dont like it use another search engine or better still start your own.

mtex
11-12-2009, 10:34 PM
"If you have something that you don’t want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn’t be doing it in the first place." - Eric der Google Nazi

AND WHAT IF YOU PUT SOMETHING ONLINE THAT YOU *WANT* PEOPLE TO KNOW,
AND GOOGLE CENSORS YOU BY REFUSING TO INDEX YOUR WEBPAGE?!

I am glad Google gets attacked. No attack or public criticism they are getting is ever enough for me. Bring the bastards down.

About a year ago I suddenly received a personal e-mail from a Google Nazi censor, send to me via an intermediary because the Google Nazi was too chicken to use his own e-mail account, threatening to delete from Google's search-engine database the entry for the website I was writing for (at the time) if I didn't delete something I had written about a person I was once in class with, and with whom the Google Nazi had a relationship with. I of course immediately exposed the Google Nazi, and he even posted a reply on the website saying he did not threaten me with expulsion from Google's database if I did not comply to their fascist censorship. But behind the scenes he was using an intermediate to harass the hell outta me and to get me to submit to the censorship. Even the intermediate at some point had enough of it, and told the Google Nazi that what he was doing was patently unfair, and that he would no longer forward any e-mail.

I complied, and stupidly so, because since then Google has been running a digital vendetta against me, refusing to index entries from my blog, or articles I posted on USENET/GoogleGroups, or anything by my hand I post anywhere on the internet.

Google are particularly hell-bent on censoring access to a series of articles I wrote exposing the so-called performance group "Public Movement" for being an IDF propaganda front. They were top of the pops at Google for about 2 days, where after they disappeared. Try looking them up, you will never find them.

But their refusal to index my blog entries wasn't the end of the Google-abuse. If you search for my nickname with Google, one of the first hits you get is an anti-AJ website making fun of me for relaying the story above (which I titled "How Google Works") on my own blog.

That's how spiteful and vengeful Google is. It's not enough that they have all the money and all the data in the world, they have to target a tiny blog like mine, and delete it out of existence.

SO I AM GLAD THEY ARE ATTACKED!
THEY DESERVE IT!
DIGITAL NAZIS!

I remember back in the late 1990s, after AltaVista went to hell with the advertising, Google was next the choice amongst hackers and geeks. And that's what Google originally was: the nerd-friendly search engine. Back then, if you typed in "Samba" the first hit you got was not the dance or the music, but the open source software for Unix! (Actually, this is still so! Quaint nostalgia for the old days that are long gone!).

Then after the millennium Google started offering all these APIs
Application programming interface - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
to allow webmasters to use their database dynamically, so everyone started embedding Google this and Google that into their websites, and soon Google was everywhere. They were nerd-friendly and hacker-friendly, so everyone trusted them. They were one of the nerds, one of the guys.

Then the $c!3nt0l0g! scandal broke, Google caved in, and Google has been going down the drain since then.

The abuse I suffered at the hands of Google is similar to the abuse heaped on Nuffrespect on Youtube once Google took over Youtube. And I never had more than a few hundred, at best about two thousand readers per article, let alone the 50 000 average views Nuffrespect is getting per film (and even his numbers are tinkered by Google-Youtube to make them seem smaller)! Doesn't that spell sheer desperation to you?

Maria Technosux
anti-fascist blogger

Anders Lindman
12-12-2009, 06:47 AM
Bing is Microsoft.
You'd honestly trust those fuckers with your private data?

Google and Bing can both kiss my ass ...
Time to change search engines ...

And Microsoft has invested in Facebook if I remember correctly. Facebook has a HUGE amount of personal information available, and that in combination with Bing can resulting in Microsoft knowing a lot about people in more personal ways than Google can. A lot of websites use Google Analytics and/or AdSense and that can also give Google a lot of extra information about people. So Google and Microsoft are probably fairly equally big collectors of personal data.

Personally I'm not so concerned, even though I think privacy of information is very important. I actually trust the big players like Google and Microsoft more, because they will less likely abuse personal data than some of the smaller companies and websites I think.