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montag
11-12-2009, 06:58 AM
Senior government figures have taken aim at Barnaby Joyce's dire warning about a global financial meltdown if the United States government defaults on its debt. Mr Joyce also came under fire for comments about the financial health of Australian states.

''That's shooting from the lip, making it up on the run,'' Prime Minister Kevin Rudd said of the new opposition finance spokesman's comments.

Senator Joyce is concerned that demand for Australia's resources would ''go through the floor'' if the US was not able to pay off its burgeoning foreign debt.

Senator Joyce told Fairfax Media he did not mean to alarm the public but there needed to be a debate about Australia's ''contingency plan'' for a sovereign debt default by the US or even by a local state government.

''How would Australia go forward in a position where the dynamics of the global economy are all changed,'' he said on ABC Radio today.

Mr Rudd dismissed the senator's comments, describing them as ''not responsible economic policy''.

Assistant Treasurer Chris Bowen went further saying Senator Joyce's comments were extremist.

''His comments on the United States need to be taken with a grain of salt,'' he said, adding the vast majority of economists believed US debt levels were manageable.

He accused Senator Joyce of engaging in a series of thought bubbles that were unbecoming of a senior economics spokesman from either government or opposition.

''Senator Joyce adopts very extreme positions, he is an extremist.''

States 'rock solid'

Separately, Mr Rudd criticised comments made by Senator Joyce that some Australian state governments might not be able to repay billions of dollars in debt.

The states were carrying $170 billion in debt and rising interest rates were affecting their capacity to make repayments, Mr Joyce said.

''I would say in some instances they do not, particularly Queensland,'' he told Fairfax Media.

The Prime Minister said such ''erratic and ill-considered'' comments should not be made by a senior opposition spokesman.

Mr Rudd described as the ''most serious charge'' the coalition's view that state governments could default on their debt.

''It's got to produce evidence of that,'' he told Fairfax Radio Network today, adding Opposition Leader Tony Abbott and his treasury spokesman Joe Hockey needed to confirm or repudiate Senator Joyce's claim.

Mr Rudd said any message to international financial markets about the ability of state governments to repay debt needed to take into account the national interest.

State and territory governments had some of the strongest credit ratings in the world and Australia had a ''rock-solid and robust'' reputation for public finance.

''There are basic interests for Australia at stake here and responsible, calm, considered policy suggests that the sort of remark ... should simply not be made,'' Mr Rudd said.

''This is gross economic irresponsibility, policy on the run and shooting from the lip.''

AAP (http://www.theage.com.au/business/joyce-blasted-for-extremist-views-on-debt-20091211-kn3d.html)

icarus
11-12-2009, 11:55 AM
in other words joyce is a denier, like a holocaust denier, or a climate change denier

the vermin need to stay under cover for just a little while yet, afterwhich they'll own everything and laws will be in place so they can finally emerge into the light

montag
11-12-2009, 10:51 PM
SHADOW treasurer Joe Hockey has slapped down new Opposition finance spokesman Barnaby Joyce over his comments on debt and banking.

Mr Hockey said the senator was wrong to claim Australian states and the US Government might default on debts, and that his comments on banks and Chinese investment were not policy.

Mr Hockey stressed that he, not the outspoken Nationals senator, was in charge of Opposition policy on foreign investment and banking.

As Kevin Rudd pilloried the Opposition over Senator Joyce's provocative comments, Opposition Leader Tony Abbott read his frontbench the riot act about discipline at its first meeting.

The Nationals' Senate leader had spoken out about the dangers of the US Government and Australian states defaulting on debt. He warned that if the US defaulted it would cause an ''economic Armageddon''. He urged a tougher approach to the banks and a harder line against Chinese investment in Australian resources.

Mr Abbott said he had told frontbenchers at yesterday's meeting that ''shadow ministry and shadow cabinet solidarity starts now … Everyone understands that and everyone will play by the team tactic, play by the team rules.''

Asked whether state governments could default, Mr Abbott said it was ''very important that we have sound public finances''.

Mr Hockey said Senator Joyce's comments were not Coalition policy.

''He's not responsible for foreign investment [policy] - I am,'' Mr Hockey said, adding that the Opposition had no plans to change banking regulation. ''We put in place [under the Howard government] the best financial services regulation in the world - it's globally recognised as the best financial services regulation - I helped put it in place.''

Mr Hockey said there was no evidence that any Australian states or the US were in danger of defaulting on loans.

Senior Liberals are anxious to take an early tough line against Senator Joyce, because his loose comments play into the Government's hands and damage the Opposition's economic credentials.

Mr Hockey and Senator Joyce had separate talks after the frontbench meeting. Senator Joyce said after the shadow ministry meeting: ''In a way it's kind of convenient because every time I get a difficult question I can say, well that's a view of shadow cabinet which I can't discuss.''

Mr Rudd said: ''To have the finance spokesman of the alternative government of Australia saying that one of our states could default - this is gross economic irresponsibility, policy on the run, shooting from the lip.

''There is a reputational interest here for Australia, whatever side of politics you're on … to defend the Australian economic interest.''

link (http://www.theage.com.au/national/rebellious-joyce-slapped-back-into-line-20091211-komu.html)

michael christopher
12-12-2009, 03:28 AM
Debt is really funny.

Four bankers get stuck on an island. How do they survive? That's easy - they get rich off of the interest trading each others' clothes!

:D

It's really silly to rely on someone else to pay their debt off in order to have financial solvency. Pretty damned stupid actually. Too bad the whole world hasn't figured it out yet.

ozpixie
12-12-2009, 03:58 AM
Rudd would not have commented on Joyce if he had not been having an effect. On the ETS/Globalist issue Hockey is just as bad as Turnbull.